"Jared Leto"

[Music] um hey guys good morning uh welcome to smartless Smart [Applause] L smart BL smart BL mhm oh yeah oh there classic listener uh we've got Arnette with I guess a shirt you're borrowing from thorough yeah there no sleeves at all on it and um I guess Jimmy Coco just left too huh cuz your color is really even let me just say this okay nothing is more insulting to me virtually nothing than suggesting that it's a spray tan go f yourself I earned this well you earned it by sitting out doing nothing under under the sun with some sort of like a reflective board what you doing you I'm playing golf building the stool you're sitting on or I'm just got some cord can you get your housekeeping [ __ ] together before we start the record what are you doing I got some cord issues going on I do too messing with mine kind of wrapped around my chair pretty much you know you know what I've been doing lately and this is this is a true story we went to this big uh I know this is going to air later but uh we had a beautiful full event last night for Jimmy Buffett uh for my friend Jimmy Buffett and uh I was going to ask you just it was awesome and it was really beautiful and some great speeches and stuff and a lot of people I know um so that part of it was amazing and it just did you talk honestly I I did not I I did a thing at the tribute at the Hollywood Bowl but um last time I did I saw one of the I saw one of the great speeches last night that no no dowy wasn't there one of the great speeches I've ever seen as a sort of that was set up as a non- roast and ended up being a roast and it really blew me away so hilarious I love um wait roasted Jimmy after he's passed yeah but but as a tribute to him an old friend of his a guy who's been friends with him for sort of 50 50 60 years and it was just it was so good um and our friend uh Tom freston who's a friend of the podcast uh made a great speech that you haven't had him on yet no I'm going to he's the most interesting man on the planet his deal can't well we're looking to cuz he wants a piece and he's just like and he said send me over the numbers I want to look and see wait who's Tom freston I met Tom FR to run Tom Tom freston yeah he started yes I I totally know him he's he's awesome dude his stories are he's just the best and I I think he's writing a book uh right now which it'll be anyway yeah it was just it was so so so so good but the reason I brought it up was this at this thing Midsummer and so many people and now this might think people come up to me they go either wow you you're really tan or why are you so tan right and people can't help themselves but make a personal remark and you know what I do you know what I say and I go and I go they go wow you're So Tan I'll go thank you so much right and I just take it as a compliment well it is a compliment you hold color like like like you're from Brazil I don't understand it you're a Toronto you know like why do you why you col you walking bounce card yeah we would just burn immediately but we JB you hold quite a bit of color too you let's be honest when you play golf you 10 go but I don't say to you every day man you're so tan when we got mine's but sorry Sean hold it God I know [ __ ] we're talking about our color and our golf game you'll you'll wait it's my color is it's got a hard V right under the chin right from the from the hot shirts I wear and then and then the little uh you know where the short sleeve ends whatever that is that that there's that tan line and then there's the forehead tan line because I'm wearing a a sporty visor yours yours is like you're outside mowing the lawn with nothing on but like uh flipflops yeah I know uh first of all everybody's people people okay are people okay with their bones with you describing your v-neck dad but we just had a a bone epidemic but uh but uh you know what it is I spend a lot of time like you know me you guys I'm I'm not like out in the Caribbean actually I was last month but I'm at the pool I'm in the pool with the kids I was in the Caribbean a month ago so that's part of it yeah we got it yeah Sean go go for Sean well I I my I have this friend who Tans is taint oh yeah that's a thing is it really so you're like you tan completely naked wait is that like bleaching um I don't know no man oh that's where you draw the line I know about tanning the [ __ ] but not about bleaching it yeah I don't know anything about bleaching yeah how dare you [ __ ] here we come this a great great segue into our high class guest G Our Guest this week is enormously accomplished in two completely separate but very public careers and has done so while remaining incredibly private and avoiding for the most part all the trappings of a Hollywood Life he's an actor and a musician you two not a celebrity and a rock star okay in the movie World he's received numerous nominations and awards including an Oscar a sag a Golden Globe he's worked with some of the greatest directors of our time including Fincher Malik Stone aronowski v as a musician he's been the front man of a of his band for over 26 years they've sold over 50 million albums and toured the world multiple times quietly been deeply involved in charity and the business world in the few remaining free minutes of in his life he's funny he's easy on the eyes he's a Capricorn and I believe he's available let's help him out guys this is Jared Leto Leto I just said yeah hello hello hey man Jared hi you know I'm I'm proud to say Jared and I know each other a little bit I wish I was closer but you know he's busy you know um where do we find you uh you find me in Iowa today oh really on uh are we are acting or or or musicing we just started the US Lego of our world tour which is called Seasons World Tour congratul shout out to uh Tracy and Wisconsin we were in thank you yeah last two shows we were in Milwaukee and then in uh kadat oh wow wait what's kadat yeah what's kadat kadat is a beautiful little town in the middle of nowhere and uh today were in De Moine so wait is kadat in in Wisconsin yeah all right yeah all right wait how do you guys how do you guys know each other um what how just sort of crossing paths throughout our start as youngsters In The Biz is that true vacationing I think was the first time on our little trip to to ski town I I have no idea man it's maybe I don't know but um I have been very fond of you for a very long time mister um and I'm so glad to be able to talk to you focus for an hour here yeah this is awesome appreciate it and this is actually my um I I think it's my first podcast that I've ever done it's ours too really so yeah so I'm gonna [ __ ] it out big time listen Jared here's something podcast that try to get a word in if if I can say anything about podcast this is the first time any of us had done one we started it four years ago and we have not got any better I would say we've got worse I would say I wore some pajamas I thought someone might be in pajama yeah look at me here's here's the stretchy pajama pants and the [ __ ] hoodie and the shitty t-shirt J before we jump into how brilliant you are in your music and your acting what you're so goodlook what do you do for your skin good Lord we go and this is for Jared or this is for everybody we're done with your skin okay um no it's kind of amazing Jared how old how old are you are you over 50 52 that's what I'm saying shut the [ __ ] up you look great yeah you guys look great what are you talking about yeah it's I mean honestly you could play and I mean this and I and I love everybody here including you Jerry because now you're with us you could play Jason's son and and I swear you could uh but you know uh he he he wears it much better than me I'm I'm I'm uh no that's what I'm saying this yeah no no that's what I'm saying I'm saying he could put your son you all right so Jared so you are so you're starting the the domestic leg of the of the international tour or World Tour and but this is what what lap around the planet would this be for you guys it's you've done it a few times yeah six or 700 probably six or 700 laps no no I'm joking but uh we we started we actually did tour for about six years um it was covid and then we were finishing an album um so the last time we did a world tour was like 2018 did some dates in 2019 um but we just we did a few festivals last year and then we started uh this year I was filming uh Tron and Vancouver for four months wait for that can't wait take Dy and then I had um I had a couple weeks uh where we went to South America to start the tour and then after tra was done we went off to Europe and uh just did seven eight weeks in Europe which was wait wait wait Jared I don't know if you guys saw it did you start did you announce your tour did I see this did you climb the Empire State Building or some [ __ ] yeah yeah I saw that what the [ __ ] is that about man just start just go ahead and take 45 minutes to tell us about this yeah just uh just a little stunt to you know launch the tour I mean it's better than just putting it on you know twiter exactly but how did how did you not how did you not vomit well don't jump ahead who comes up with this idea let's talk about planning first of all you're a rock climber so this wasn't out of the blue he was a rock no I mean I've climbed buildings before and I've always been obsessed with yeah I mean just just not obviously not like that but uh I've always been really fascinated by the Empire State Building since I was a kid you know wow you and King Kong right just like I got to get up there so how does that all right as I did a tiny bit of rock climbing with my dad when I was a kid enough to know that you it's a certain kind of shoe it's a boot it's a friction friction boot I think it's called maybe something like that um no not at all but that's okay this is close um but uh you need you need some it's called a rock climbing shoe yeah that's it um write that down and uh you need some sort of uh some something jutting out of a flat surface to be able to kind of get uh some kind of a a grip on to a building almost by definition is is flat so what makes you think you youve climb multiple buildings how how do you get up there how do you do it window sills little you know if there's kind of a Stone feature use those um but but a lot of times it's just the the structure the features on the building but were you hooked into something or were you just freestyling yeah yeah I mean you know we went to the Empire State Building and they said no about a 100 times kind of yeah we asked and we we had to uh it was too big of an undertaking and there's a huge section of the building that's not climbable I mean it is absolutely about the whole [ __ ] thing [ __ ] are talking talking about man but it was fun man it was it was an incredible adventure and to sit up there for you know we actually did did it two days in a row kind of a day to climb it another day to film it it was amazing so wait so you're you're standing on the sidewalk you're scouting it right you got to take a look at it up close first and you you you recognize that there is a path that it is doable that in other words that first window sill you can literally reach and start your climb I mean stuff like that I just yeah the first step I was just going to say the first step yeah yeah the first step is is is getting them to say yes getting permits to be able to do it um you know they right you know no they did because I I think you know what their big concern actually was wasn't necess falling no it was me falling on top of somebody and killing some street that makes sense um but I had some climber friends of mine that looked at it uh a guy named Alex honold from free solo uh took a look at doing that at one point and had decided really that the first section of it was probably not climbable unless you know you you wanted to die uh but the only way that I was able to do it was to get permission to get permits um and I had to be roped up for the sections that I climbed the sections that were climbable um but it was amazing wait so then you were going to free climb it yeah I mean there's there look there's there's a lot of terminology that gets confusing with climbing but yeah I had to be roped up while I climbed uh the Empire State Building had I not I would be dead um because I did fall um and uh you know it's it's a very very difficult climb it's not something that you can just kind of do without a rope yeah jar do you know that every night and this is true Jason you'll attest this every single night you get roped up right you don't smoke it I guess you you you chew it but you get you get a headful of rope every night wait a second so Jared Jared I've seen a lot of those I loved all those like uh free solo and all the other one about um the guys who climbed in in Tibet all those uh uh those amazing Sherpas to you know that story they climbed all those Peaks what was that one they climbed like the Seven Peaks was it yeah it was called something like that yes I but but but sort of that the kind of the the the the one consistent thing about all of them was that they just had this that thing that I don't think most people have which I guess you have which is that the sort of they're missing that thing of having fear that most of us have which that I have you know I start to get weak my knees get weak when I climb a ladder uh that's above 10 feet you know what I mean I'm like [ __ ] man if I fall I'm G to die right and so my question is for you is because all those people seem to have it and you have it did you always have that or did you kind of did it just over time develop no I I still get uh yeah I I I experience fear when I'm climbing all the time I mean that's what keeps you alive but uh I climb with Alex quite a bit he's a good friend I climb with uh Jimmy chin who's about to go to uh I think he's going to ski down Everest or something crazy but uh but yeah these these these guys uh you know they're professionals I'm an amateure uh you know I do this for fun it's a hobby um for me but there there are a lot of times you have to negotiate with fear you have to have a conversation with yourself and it's a fascinating thing because you're I've never heard people talk about death more than friends of mine that are climbing all the time you know it's a com you're really close to death and I think in a way you're really also maybe a bit closer to life um right I free dive as well and you know that's something where you're always having a conversation with yourself about negotiating your limits negotiating fear um but I don't know I love it I think it's really fun at at the end of the day it's just fun is there any time that you actually be got really close to that that moment of death like oh yeah yeah I was climbing with Alex in uh in Red Rock where I live I live in Nevada now by the way I moved there during Co oh wow um and I lived 10 minutes from some of the best rock climbing in the world and I was out there climbing with him one day and my rope got cut God and I was a rock I was about yeah 600 ft up about to I was climbing an overhang about 600 ft uh off the ground and I knew I was going to fall which is actually you know pretty normal in climbing you you sometimes you fall a couple of times and that's how you learn that's how you get better that's how you kind of make it through and just and for Tracy like the the you fall but you don't fall to the ground because you've got a a a carabiner into the Rock at some sort of space so you're only falling that that distance which is maybe what 20t something like that exactly sometimes it could be 50 feet it could be 2 feet uh it really depends on on on the situation but Alex was ahead of me and he was placing the gear I took a fall I swung out over this 600t abyss and as I was swinging I felt the Rope go no way and I looked up and I could see it started to get corot at the top I saw the white innards of the Rope pop out and I knew in those few seconds milliseconds maybe that I was probably going to die and if if I didn't grab a hold of the wall when I swung back in I was that was it so I swung back into the wall and I went to grab it at the last minute oh I lost it and I swung out again but I yelled lower me to Alex unfortunately he heard me uh it was a very windy day and he was about 100 ft above me uh on top of this mountain cuz he couldn't see me I was on the overhang and as I said uh y'all lower me he lowered so the next time that the Rope got cut it was in a different spot and that time I managed to make it on the wall and uh he figured out how to get down because he's superum and we had to cut the rope and kind of negotiate our way down the mountain but yeah that that was pretty yeah and like dude I would have been first of all all the clothing I was wearing would have to be thrown out yeah right just it would be I would be my pants would be filled with deficate Sean one time what was the thing Sean you said at the Grove you you and Scotty parked on P4 and you ended up taking the stairs all the way down right cuz the elevator's broken what we saying yeah that's right yeah that was my scariest moment that was The Story So at the end of it Alex is like you want to do it again I was like you're out of your [ __ ] mind yeah me yeah and we we'll be right back and now back to the show but Jared talk to me about how you what what is that um what is that conversation with yourself when you when you negotiate uh with yourself about fear because I'm sure it's not just exclusive to rock climbing it's it's about um you know getting up in front of thousands and thousands of people um performing with with 30 Seconds to Mars or taking on some of these incredibly ambitious roles which you in you pull off like no one's business um what is that how is I mean I know it's a deeply personal conversation people have with themselves about kind of gearing up for for stuff and asking yourself to give what you got um but you know give us as much as you're comfortable giving about because you you clearly have a lot of um it's not it's not confidence it's just uh it's uh you tell me what it is cuz you you have it mhm M well I mean I think you I I appreciate it but I think you guys do that all the time I mean some of the scar stuff different you know what you know what can can can uh scare me more than a lot of things is having to speak in front of a lot of people yeah I don't do that well same up on stage with a spotlight as myself with a microphone it's bizarre I'm on stage most nights of the week as you are as well and you know even this is a public stage it's you know so that that can always you know when you're just up there and and it's you in your words that can be a little intimidating but um I don't know I I think you know there's an inevitability like when I'm on tour you have to go on stage and right the weird thing about being maybe you guys have felt this as well um I feel more comfortable on stage than I do sitting here talking to you or I would talking to a person at dinner like I feel once the show because that's a character maybe lead man the the the music is being on stage is is the total opposite it's the revelation of oneself it's showing and sharing who you really are uhhuh you know what yeah no really quick I was just going to say at my wedding to Scotty my husband there was like 10 people at our wedding we were going to do like a thousand and my opening in my wedding vows I said I feel um incredibly comfortable in front of thousands of people or one person but this is right in the middle of that and that's where I feel the worst yeah yeah you know yeah sometimes I'm I have acoustic guitar I'm sitting there in the middle of an arena or somewhere and it just feels terrible know no it feels absolutely amazing it's so comfortable it's so um I'm totally at peace and uh it's a magical thing by the way we're all this similar ages and you know I have to say I was talking my brother and um you know my my brother's a massive fan of the show but I know your brother he's been telling me from the very beginning you got to listen to the show you got to listen texting me all the time oh my God this happened on the show like okay I'm gonna listen to the goddamn show uh wait Jared you know that I know Shannon we have mutual friends I know Shannon he's a great gu best for people that don't know that are listening he's the better half of 30 Seconds to Mars and we've been doing the band together since we were kids cool that's so great you know to be 52 at this point and be on the on on the robe with your brother yeah like there's not a night that goes by where I don't look at him and and just you know share a moment of gratitude how lucky we are to I want to come back to that but but before we leave this thing um is it is just so I sort of close the loop on it it's it's it sounds like what you're saying is there's there's a there's a belief in yourself that you find at the most critical moments that fuels you through something that might be insurmountable to some others that might not have that level of belief that your ability to go through something that that might be really super challenging is is is that what it is I'm of the thinking that I actually don't have anything special to offer I really believe that everyone could basically do anything that I do anytime they want to it's it's a matter of A Little Bit of Faith and a lot of hard work that's how I look at it I think everybody could but what's the faith I guess that that's the part is it's faith in yourself right it's belief that you can get it done and that you you you you have the opportunity to make yourself proud and you're probably not going to let yourself down and and the people around you too you know the people around you that that's a big driver for me is to kind of to make sure I don't let anyone down um whether I'm working on a film or I'm on stage and you know the the Great thing that I found out about being on tour and being on stage is like I'm not there for me I'm there for the audience and for my brother and I am in service every night to make sure the person that uh worked their ass off to buy a concert ticket which aren't cheap these days by the way has a night that they're never going to forget and I'm I'm in search of that yeah every night all night and that's a lucky place it's interesting you say that and and I think it's I also I also have a similar thought process which is that there are a thousand people who can do what I do and um I think about it all the time and I it might be a bigger number it but sorry I don't me to cut you but sorry within within within the Greater Los Angeles area at any given time sorry to me cut it's true sorry well finish your point that was rude that was F no no no no no yeah um listen I get it you're hungry um sorry so so so uh but what I wanted to know about was when you say it's interesting when you say like you don't want to disappoint anybody you want to let anybody down and when you're on tour and you're on stage is that your brother is that Shannon and when you're working on a film is that all the people around you is that the people at home is that an idea of sort of a general idea of letting people down like is that something you've always had no I think it's all of the above um and you know I don't carry that with me as a burden I kind of for me that's fuel for the fire and um you know I I don't know maybe you guys feel this way too but when I'm on set I feel like it's my job to try and be one of the hardest working people on the set my job to absolutely deliver every single time that I come to set of course you're going to fail but that's the goal to be overprepared to know my lines to know your lines to know to have a thousand ideas uh to bring to the table and to do and to really just to die for it yeah um and to also try to be the kindest person that I can be every single day and to be supportive and be a good partner like those are the simple things uh that that kind of continue to get me through it but when you're as prepared as you are like you just described that eliminates fear that's true I think it can help that's that's very well said I think preparation is um definitely a confidence Builder and you know sometimes if I haven't been on tour for a long time I'm like and we have a huge show and there's a ton of people out there and I'm like oh my God how do I what do I do and then you get out there and you just your body remembers you know all of this sounds like a really really a really good workout ethic and a and a deep sense of discipline um and focus uh did you have that as a young kid was that something that you that your mom taught you um uh was it did you discover it in school or did you just kind of come out of the box with it my mom yeah my mom was and is a great teacher you know she's um in a large part I dedicated my oscar speech to my mother yeah and I had an opportunity I always think like by the way I never thought that I would win a single award in my entire life those are the people that win much deserved never never never never never would happen to me never ever so I was like well I'm going to use this as an opportunity um to to really thank the people uh in my life that have that have inspired and encouraged me and and you know first and foremost that's my mom and my mom she was a single mom we grew up really poor um and you know like food uh I was born in Louisiana as was my brother and you know my mother was high school dropout but put herself um back through school with two kids single mom um and and got a Nursing degree and really worked and fought really hard to make a better life for herself watch you oberved that and I saw that and I saw her do if there was a shift that came up she would take that I saw her do those extra I don't know oh um but they were these really long shifts at least 12 hours uh and then she would do night shifts and I saw her work and I saw her dedication and I watched her educate herself I watched her um and it taught me a lot um so and she was always very creative um and and and really kind of broke the mold in her family yeah so that that was a big lesson for me all right so you leave Louisiana where do you go from there where is where where do the where the acting and the music bug start to bite you yeah well I was in art school and studying to be a painter oh nice Lord there's nothing you can't do was like after a stent kind of it's funny you know I'm I'm negotiating in my head things that I want to talk about or not because I actually don't talk about a lot of this stuff um we appreciate that the fact that you're weak but it's something in my life too I'm like I'm negotiating as well of like you know how how do you you know what do you share what do you not as old yeah and I've been less precious about there nothing fun about a safe interview I've always felt yeah yeah and then you know you want to share things and you know it's beautiful to share things well can I can I say this that maybe this will Prime you a little bit so I I I I've been joking recently that I know I've been saying to people for a guy who's a loudmouth know it all me uh I know embarrassingly little about art and it's been like this blind spot that I've had my whole life and I and I kind of started to own it recently and as from the moment I started saying that I've started meeting all these artists painters I met three I've met three new painters in the last 24 hours alone who have said revealed to me oh I'm a painter and so I've been talk and I've been reading this book about duning I'm boring these guys about but I'm reading this book about and it's been it's kind of like now because I've been putting it out there has been coming and I said to Alexandre my partner this morning we rode our bikes down to the be I'm out here long rode my bike down to the beach and I said I can't believe I'm saying this I think I'm going to start painting love that and and I'm embarrassed cuz I feel like a [ __ ] cliche and I'm like I don't give a [ __ ] I love it I think it's I [ __ ] feel it and I don't know anything I really don't I'm a [ __ ] novice of novices but I feel really uh connected to it that's awesome yeah yeah that's that's a beautiful do you still do it Jared you know I don't paint that much I draw sometimes and I put a lot of my Creative Energy and by the way I think that's one of the important things in life is to keep learning to keep I always say i' love to be the dumbest guy in the room yeah and that's a fascinating room to be in and uh do a lot of stuff yeah and and fortunately I have the opportunity to do that quite a bit same here but no I think it's great to continue to learn to do new things and uh you know just to be to be a beginner uh do you get do you get knee deep in the artwork for the albums and stuff like that artwork yeah too much probably yeah I'm the guy that makes like a thousand different album covers and but I think but yeah but album artwork is it's always consistently been like to me like really cool or like rock concert t-shirt designs and all that kind I'm a big [ __ ] radio head I doing that like every 3 days we're doing a new T-shirt design and I mean it's something it's a consistent thing and I love um but with the album artwork I did a thousand different covers and then you know what I did I I I did this little art project where I was taking a photo of the sky every day right and uh you know after about three months it gets really annoying by the way I'll tell you and I'd be my I'd say to my assistant I'd be like can you just grab that photo today sure too busy it wasn't from the same place every day right but it's anywhere you are it's just like it's oh I forgot and then you try to make up for it but anyway I had hundreds of photos of these skies and I thought oh maybe that's an album cover so I did 10 different album covers just basically cell phone pictures of the sky and that ended up being kind of the the the the the basis of our artwork for our new album that's cool which was is is called it's the end of the world but it's a beautiful day so end up being but by the way Sean you got ACC accus that didn't you have hundreds of photos of these guys no he said Sky I would take photos of and then I'd hear a door my hearing is so bad my hearing is so bad Jared you reminded me of like remind of the same guy you they remind me of this really cool documentary I read about you directed where you you you you simultaneously filmed uh a day in the life of 50 different of the 50 different states is that do I am I describing I did something called the day in the life of America our album our previous album in 2018 was called America uh and it was that time when the world was kind of getting a little a little wild it still hasn't recovered I think specifically America but anyway yeah I I um was inspired by a book that I had when I was a kid National Geographic where they took photos in every state on a single day so we sent camera Crews we actually had 92 Crews all over the country what uh in every state in Puerto Rico and as well and Alaska and we made this documentary about the a kind of one day in it was fascinating we had the birth of a child we had someone pass away on camera I mean it was like it was a really we saw it all um and it was on Fourth of July so we had all the fire oh no way that's cool yeah how do you like that how do you like um how do you like directing and then directing uh narrative versus documentary uh I I know you do a lot of producing too is that are those areas that you're you're looking to to challenge yourself on as well well I I started off in I I was a painter and and art school and then I took photography class and I got obsessed I would be in the dark room you know I don't know if you guys have ever done that but that's a really fun thing to do to kind of shoot and develop your go ahead will that's a great tea up for you for Sean Dark Room yers of these guys in a dark room Sean you work on it and come back and interrupt them but wait wait wait ch ch I want to talk I want to know about you becoming a painter like when what was that like well I grew up around my mom was you know had a hippie and she had a lot of really creative friends and um I always thought that I would either be a painter and I don't know my dad was a painter and a photographer for real really oh wow yeah yeah I love both those things and really it's it's awesome uh my mom is a great photographer and I grew up around seeing her photos and she taught me a lot about photography when I was a kid um so one day I was the this school had like a performing arts section to it I would go over and watch the actors and I always thought man that is terrifying they are so brave what they're doing running around out there on stage and I didn't understand any of it I was like this is just insane but I asked the school um um I started taking a film class like uh film as as a kind of you know Fine Art not not like fil as Cinema those Hollywood movies um so I fell in love with that and you know just like film history you'd like watch Classics no we would go they had like blex cameras that you rent and You' shoot fil yeah so you'd shoot film um black and white film and then you you'd have to send it away to get developed and we would we would edit using razor blades and tape and uh wow I mean there wasn't a single computer I remember the first computer that came into that art school was a Macintosh and nobody used it you know it just sat in the corner the Apple too um yeah yeah so anyway I I was I was studying painting I fell in love photography I took a film class I switched my major to film and then I asked the school to create a class for directors about acting and I bothered him I went there maybe 200 times and the lady kind of looked at me frustrated one day and says you know what I had admire your persistence and she like you know she just like what does that mean directors for acting um acting for directors sorry acting for directors got you acting for directors so I thought like okay I'm studying film even though it was a kind of Arty farty Fine Art film but we should understand what acting is right I had this little secret I was I thought this is interesting yeah and it got it got more attention in your mind than than directing well I to we they created the class after I bug them and there was like I don't know maybe four or five people we were doing you know acting like animals and doing all these experiments and you know I I I don't know how much I learned in that class but um shortly after that I I had dropped out of college I ended up in California to pursue acting music and acting yeah yeah that's awesome unbelievable really it's really cool how you've been able to keep but it's it's just like you know as I said sort of in my crappy intro that you know you've you've been incredibly successful in both of these careers like enormously successful yet you've managed to not you know lean in and take take the bait and and eat the junk food that that propels that kind of success and notoriety into celebity if that's a word and it's not it's just not well you we we all fail a lot right I mean I always say I fail more than anybody that I know I fail all the well you're just getting to know me know but I mean like Jason's point it's like um you don't get sucked into that is that a conscious decision do you say no to a lot of things because you like to stay private you say no because you don't want to deal with it I mean well it's just not you yeah I mean I I'm I'm actually an introvert and um which is bizarre because of my choices out there uh as far as work goes yeah you're you're a movie star and you're in a rock band it doesn't seem like a perfect spot for an introvert to live you know what I mean yeah it's a strange thing but you know when I'm done with a show um I literally you just quiet the show yeah I go to the the the hotel room get food and you know turn on Netflix and that's it yeah D dzel Washington wow we'll be right back and back to the show um what is uh what do you uh aside from that sort of that that that decompression routine of just kind of getting quiet getting by yourself watching little TV is there anything else that you can really rely on that gets you to your to your small self and is like is it reading is it is there like a a video game that you play or whatever an app on the phone or like from you Willie and I we play like freaking word game on the app sometime on the phone and like you have golf sometimes gets us uh you know quiet yeah for me I have um work I love to work that's my favorite thing in the world to do I I love to work work and work some more and if I have some time I like to climb yeah uh and then I like to free dive which I just started a couple of years ago what's fre yeah I want to talk about that free dive off is is that like the big blue like that luk b film yeah Lon blue yeah L blue Inc one cigarette well I take one no I see my mistress I have a coffee I don't know s cuckoo uh this every person Sean every French person that come in the room like sort of like saying hi and they'll go cuckoo why why is that I this I had this woman who I work I was living in the south of Fran I could hear from the cuckoo shut the [ __ ] why why do they say it's like the Englishman with a pip pip right yeah it's just kind of like you it's almost like a yooo but it's like uh but wait so this is diving without oxygen without yeah it's not a lot of people when you say free dive a lot of people think jumping off a Cliffs okay like me it's not you know free diving is either people focus on depth um people focus on time there's static diving there's free diving what's the kind of what kind of depth are we talking about right now I like to dive through caves that's my thing God but not with a tank right there's no way out will um but again I'm a beginner I'm a beginner rock climber I'm a beginner uh free diver I definitely beginning ass just went up the Empire State Building and you're diving a cave so you're doing okay now how long can you stay under uh you can stay under let let me guess let me guess let me guess okay but let me let me guess how long you can hold your breath and I know this oversimplifies things it Dums it down for us idiots um I'll bet that you can get to three minutes pretty easily uh will uh Sean do you have have any guesses I was just thinking about how long I can get stay under prop fall uh like an like an hour or when you choke yourself out how long you can stay before before when I get the when I get my belt around the the top of the door jam when I'm trying to just when I'm trying to out I'm GNA say what's the what's the record because I saw like something I'm GNA say three and I'm gonna say three and a half minutes Jared that's my Jason said three I'm I'm say four I'll say four jar absolutely yeah uh three minutes for sure four minutes for sure no way it goes longer oh people go a lot longer that's not a lot for that's not that it's not impressive at all in the world of free diving that is a beginner wow um now are there uh okay so where are where where are the great caves um in mayorca Sardinia um Corsica all the beautiful places uh I just was in Greece there was some good stuff there um but I I focus on depth and I focus on Cav uh I've been the deepest I've gone is 108 ft Jesus Christ well you need 10 minutes to re acclimate or whatever as you come back up don't you no you don't have to no that's only with scuba diving yeah wow okay so you just use your your lungs he doesn't know anything J jar Jared why don't you just like take up reading men or something why jumping off cliffs or swimming into Cliffs why don't you just get involved with the crown you know there's a bunch of Seasons you can watch um you know there there are a lot of shows I've never seen that I've been waiting to see see what's what do you want to see that you like you missed what was the uh Game of Thrones I never saw saw the first Seas by the way I never saw The Simpsons I never saw Family Guy I never saw South Park me too but I did see uh Ozark and I would annoyingly email uh Jason uh often with um you know thoughts on the plot developments and the characters and how much I love the show and just you know kind of fawning but when you give me notes remind them we're locked picture is locked so this keep it to compliments um I have a question for I have a question for all three of you because you're all um wonderfully sober MH but do you think you do these these climbingsport if you're 100 feet under the water you know sometimes what's Wild is you have this you do have a conversation about death with yourself uh because it's scary um sometimes um and then you have these moments of peace that are just outstanding it's almost like drugs sometimes or alcohol at least for me was sort of um the fun of kind of escaping from being inside myself and kind of uh you know adding a little of this and adding a little of that and and and going to sort a different version of myself whereas it sounds like your experience is is the opposite arrow and it's just a real internal thing and well it compels you to into the moment yeah being on stage being underwater climbing a rock that you have to be present you don't have a choice so present and you're not thinking about your phone you're not thinking about your job your girlfriend your boyfriend you're not thinking about any of that you're thinking about what's right in front of you so it's it's incredibly simple and um and Primal I think in some ways yeah I I should note that I don't think I've been wonderfully sober I think I've I've had a few missteps over the years uh definitely and it's always for me it's been a pro no of course okay it's been it's been a process for me and and or as we say again a a process sure but uh but we but I've uh but you know you get to know yourself a little bit better and I do find those things uh it is it's a combination of what Jared said and what Jason said which is for me is about being present and being okay with being present and and trying to accept where I am and it's all about right it's all about powerlessness and all that sort of stuff and realizing it and and being and realizing where you are and where you sit in the world I don't know about you guys I've thought a and not to a to a to a crazy degree but I've been thinking a lot more about my mortality the last few years on the back side yeah and I think and I think about I was saying last night I when I was Jared you might have heard me waxing on about this Memorial I went to and and I was like thinking about we all are here for this one visit we're not making another trip we got five minutes left we're we're on this we're on and so it better be good and we better be happy and I'm just and we're all just trying to figure out how to get through it the best way AB I think I'm coming back and I'm going to I want to come back as Jared um I know Jared it would be pretty good but wait Jared I have two questions really fast one is about Tron cuz I'm a huge fan of the franchise he's a big sci-fi fan what are you as well Jared is that is that what brought you to this Super Fan really super super super super F Tron and Blade Runner were the two movies that really changed my life as and now you've been on both yeah bizarre so I I'm living in my simulation over here for sure right what can you tell us about Tron without revealing well we we we've been developing it for almost 10 years yeah W and it's called Tron Aries and is it pick up right where the last one left off or no uh in a way yeah it does yeah yeah it does so um yeah I'm super excited and for me like one of one of the highlights was working with Jeff Bridges I was just going to say any conversations with him on this one oh God he's just the best oh my God I had one take where I had to literally had to say cut and they were like what's wrong something as I was like no I just can't stop [ __ ] smiling I love that guy he's every you know it's money back guaranteed that [ __ ] gives you everything you ever want all the um but I think it's a great idea and correct me if I'm wrong isn't it where the Tron world gets transferred into the real world yeah it's kind of the opposite it's such a great idea a little bit of the Terminator thing where where the the that technology comes out into Earth into I like so smart I like that that that yeah it puts it in context that we can kind of understand a little bit better maybe too for like and then tell me because I love uh CU I do a lot of theater I love horror stories about live shows and I know you do a lot of live shows was there any kind of crazy like fan interaction somebody rushed the stage and completely lost the lyrics We just played I mean the show in kadat was incredible I mean I fell in love with like the entire audience it was the craziest group of like [ __ ] kicking awesome Americans you've ever seen in your life abelyan two people Dred like Beetle guy came I literally brought a guy uh on stage who was wearing a a was it an American flag Speedo or was it just a yeah Amica that's where it went will yeah so but let me tell you I was just like I was smiling the whole time I'm so grateful to be in front of these people and and it was just incredible so so yeah I've had the worst things happen um and uh and the and the most amazing we we every night there's a you know catastrophe of some kind like the mic goes out you fall over and right yeah you're playing all these major major cities around the world but I also see here you got you got a couple soldout shows coming up in Kazakhstan and and aeran as well like what's it like wait what yeah what's it like touring all these incredible corners of the earth do you get out and like visit the local markets and do you have time to to to to plant for a day or two are you on to the next place always oh absolutely I you know even yesterday I I bought a bicycle a couple days ago in Wisconsin so we just take that out after the show before the show on the day off explore the cities wowow yeah and you know this this uh summer we were in Paris and in London but we're also in Poland and we're in Italy and then we're headed to Sweden and to Kazakhstan it's just incredible do you have a thing that is a constant in each one of these cities that you like to check out whether it be the food or the museums or the churches or the or the or the whatever that you just I have to see their version no I think you know what I love to do when I'm on tour is I love to walk around the cities and kind of get away from the tourist areas and walk through like residential areas and see how people are living I find that's a really good way to feel the culture of a specific place but the nice thing is it's not going to Poland for the first time it's going for like the 10th time the 15th time because you find you go back to that restaurant that you found you know seven times ago you you have a connection with the people and the place and the food yeah I want to see you play you do you have any plans to come through La anytime soon yeah you know we are we didn't um put an LA date on this tour um strategically we actually are going to play a show next year which is is the 20th anniversary of our breakthrough album which was called a beautiful lie yeah uh and we are going to play a show in Los Angeles to celebrate that oh that's great that's next year that's great that's next year yeah and do you have a do you have a venue picked yet I mean are we making news you know we're making news but it'll either be a Hollywood Bowl or Forum or something like that oh yeah great I want to see that Jared is there you've done so many things is there something you look at other people doing that you won't do that you're like oh I'm I I dive I climb I do movies I play in front of millions people you know what yeah theater really you you'd be so good on stage you know I'm going to tell you why and it's and it's and I because I have so much respect for it and I know how hard it is because I've had so many friends do it that um I just feel like uh I'd rather enjoy that than be a part of it um I'm also on stage a lot as it is so I don't have maybe the same itch that other people may have to kind of perform live because I'm getting pretty satisfied on that other side of it but man what I'm going to make a prediction that you're going to do you're going to do a a play in the next five years and you're going to win a Tony just like sweet sh Hayes did I know congrats on that I heard about that you know um will you uh not be surprised when I hit you with the text when you come through town next year um I'm going to come uh Rush to stage with my um uh uh Speedo uh flag outfit um so it was you love for you to come I would love for you to come and introduce the song that would be fun that would be so great you could sing a song you play the drums you I don't even sing in the shower you don't want that um but I thank you so so so so much for this hour buddy um I hate that it's got to be a podcast so that we can visit but I'll take I'll take what I can get um and and good luck abolute honored to be here with you guys and I'm I'm really Blown Away by what what you've created it's something so special it's people and uh you know my brother's going to be psyched I didn't tell him I was doing it this morning oh that'ss oh great tell him I um all right well enjoy the rest my first podcast so thank you you crushed it you crushed it you absolutely destroyed it apologies to everyone if I [ __ ] it up but I you know little you did not no you killed it man you killed it thanks Jared I appreciate thanks for being here Jared love you little wow look him put this on there you go you can do that or you can slam it yeah that is uh that is that's Jared Leto I I just I love the guy he's just always so smooth and personable honest real um he I could have talked to him for two more hours he's well we'll get a number for him and then we'll make that happen um but you know he's like I didn't want to embarrass him with the with the acting stuff uh cuz I I I I I know that like like waen like they're both like for my money top five actors in the world and they just don't like to talk about how [ __ ] great they are and the roles that they do and the process that they and probably our listeners don't want to hear about that [ __ ] either you know the process and all but he's [ __ ] so goddamn good he's so he's so good JB and you're so right and that is one of those things that those the great actors all kind of share which is they don't talk about their processes that way they're not like hey it's like a magician like I'm not telling you how the [ __ ] trip goes just enjoy it yeah they're not they're not looking for they're like let the performance speak for itself and then and and I'll talk about my life and stuff but I'm not going to kind of walk you through so that you're impressed with my my process right or or you're starting to identify those things you heard him talk about the next time you see the performance instead of like enjoying sort of like pretending that he's somebody else which is all it's about it's simple right yeah yeah he's uh well well he's good it's it's decided he's really good at what he does yeah and a good and by the way what he does and then he has this and then and it's so it's it's it's full-blown rock band yeah you can't call it a sideline yeah no no it's arguably more successful than his acting career potentially I mean 15 million albums and it's been it's been it's been around for 26 years and they're they're playing Arenas you know come on that's that's like winning an Oscar every year that works so hard he he works harder than than than you obviously Sean right now working on a buy because I no I was looking [ __ ] watching is embarrassing I was going to look at what he won the Oscar for because I know he want an Oscar for what was the name of the movie what was it called you tell us it's Dallas Bye Beautiful by beautiful sh I can see you but sorry bye Smart Glass Smart Glass smartless is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Rob arm jarv Bennett Barbo and Michael Grant Terry Smart Glass