Jimbo Fisher Gives Ominous Warning On The ACC's Future | Josh Pate Calls ACC "Cooked"

a former National Championship head football coach in the ACC has offered an ominous warning about the League's [Music] future you are locked on acc your daily podcast on the Atlantic Coast Conference part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day shout out to the every dayers for making locked on acc your first listen and your first watch on this Monday we are available free wherever you get your podcast we're free on YouTube we are part of the lockon podcast Network your team every day I am Alex Dono for locked on KES he is Kenton Gibbs from locked on Wolfpack today's episode is brought to you by LinkedIn these days every new potential hire can feel like a high stakes wager for your small business that's why LinkedIn jobs helps you find the right people for your team faster and for free post your job for free at linkedin.com lockon colge terms and conditions apply on this episode uh we will talk about the imminent house versus NCAA antitrust settlement which a lot of the uh the smaller leagues even smaller than the ACC are not very happy about the taxation that they are incurring from this uh we will talk about the factors that have led to the ACC being in Jeopardy and someone who does say the conference is in Jeopardy Kenton I want to start with this former Texas A&M but also former Florida State head coach Jimbo Fischer won a national championship with the seminal back in 2013 um he talked about the landscape of college football he was on SiriusXM Radio late last week and he was basically uh discussing the the dominance and the widening gap between the power two or the SEC and the Big 10 and everyone else including you know the other schools that we call or the other leagues we call power four which incl the ACC and the Big 12 he says here's what's happening all of your mid majors and a lot of your not mid- Majors I'm going to say some of your ACC Big 12 old pack 12 some of those leagues they're becoming glorified junior colleges Fischer said and some of those teams used to battle for playoffs and have great teams they took that three- star guy or that fourstar guy you missed out on and they developed him into a heck of a player and became a great player at their school now Kenton here's here's one we can dissect though because what what Jimbo fiser cited as specific example in how the landscape is changing maybe he didn't pick the best specific player to use as the example but he's talking about with you know the not not only of course he's not even talking about the revenue Gap from TB deals but he's talking about the new transfer rules which are unlimited the new nil situation where obviously the Golden Rule he who has the gold makes the rules and Jimbo he used Patrick Mahomes as an example he played for Texas Tech for four years he said how about Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tas Tech would he have ever stayed at Texas Tech somebody would have come and got him fiser said you know what I'm saying and what's happening your halves are out there saying okay I need a corner and I need a tackle and I need a running back and they're going to those to these four-year schools and just selecting and these and those guys are really becoming glorified junior colleges he says and it's a shame I mean great college football programs that have won big in the past and have had tremendously great players but that's what's changed Jimbo fer said your thoughts Jimbo you're so interesting you're such an interesting guy but you use one of the worst examples possible for a lot of reasons um Donald did you know that Pat Mahomes was somewhat of a celebrity before he went to college no his dad his dad was a pitcher in the MLB and he was routinely on the field with his dad and you know doing things out there why is that important Don the money isn't a factor for a guy who's already uh who comes from a family where he's raised in one of the richest suburbs surrounding Dallas you get what I'm saying like he's not the one that's like the money now is the most important thing right you know who might be that kind of way though one from a city called uh or one from a city that's that's known as the steel city in Alabama that's not besser guy like uh that jamus kid and here's another fun fact about uh here's another fun fact about the whole Pat Mahomes analogy in this situation Pat Mahomes wasn't even seen as that good he was seen as a product of the Air Raid Offense who just put up ridiculous numbers because the in the Air Raid Offense everybody puts up ridiculous numbers it's kind of the name of the game if you can't put up numbers in a uh in the air rate offense you are not a quarterback son I don't know what to tell you you do not deserve that football in your hands at any point in time so with that in mind let's talk about the the idea that hey these schools are just going to post players off and whatever they need they'll just come to these because I I don't think he's wrong I mean I mean obviously you know you have you have valid reasons to pick apart the specific example but I just I think he could have gone with better examples for that argument but I don't think he's wrong well here's here's why I do think he's wrong I I will say this there are not not a ton of players leaving these top tier uh ACC and Big 12 schools to go to the SEC and big team there's not a ton of them are there going to be one-off examples absolutely but you're also going to find one-off examples of guys leaving the SEC and going Big 12 and the the um ACC Florida State got a handful of them and that's what I'm saying so I don't think that it's fair to say hey these the the pay Gap is going to make all these guys leave one place and go to another again I will a th% agree that the additional money is needed to get everybody to the ceiling but we're still headed towards the ceiling we're still headed towards the ceiling all of again football Powerhouse guy here anybody who knows anything about football in the midwest CTE is kind of a big deal and all of us when we go to these different universities and see all the things they got I'm talking to smaller ones like Toledo and stuff we're like wait what they got a trainer they got a ice Tu they got all these things I am telling you there's only a there's a raw and I'm not saying that most of the ACC is there I'm absolutely agreeing that a lot of ACC teams they have a long way to go before they hit that ceiling however if we're talking about hey 40 million a year 50 million a year 60 million a year that you're gonna still top out to where it's like all right you're not the the facilities don't give you anything more than what you already have and so I think that this is a lot more complicated Nuance than they have the money they get best player you all leave left in dust because that's that's it's not seeming to be the case if the most money was the case then we'd see vanderbelt whooping the wheels off everybody in the ACC it's just not happen also also here's the thing and and this is I think this is the best way to debunk anything that comes out of Jimbo Fisher's mouth if if if money was the end all Beall why didn't he Texas A&M I mean you think about it Texas A&M was Notorious for having some of the biggest nil Pockets I mean probably top three in the entire country and you know being able to sign you know virtually any recruit that they wanted virtually any transfer that they wanted how come Jimbo didn't do better but that's that's my exact point that it is not a onetoone put in dollar get win it's not a one to one I know that people would like to believe that I know that probably how it's going to work on NCA 25 when when that game comes out in a few months by the way waiting on that what an exciting day we may not have an episode on in 20th but you know what here's what we should do for that episode let's just stream let's just stream ourselves playing the game and you you'll probably kick my ass because I'm terrible at video games let's just do that do let's do it let's do it no no no we need to have a collab Dynasty okay we need to rebuild Aransas State into a Powerhouse like the world has never seen that's what we need to do but in all serious you know the the reality is again the Money Matters I'm not saying that the money is irrelevant I'm not saying hey all the money in the world is you know the difference between a billion dollars and zero is nothing in terms of college sports but what I'm saying is once you get to a the power four level it all kind of and even if you're saying the power two are going to make a a Chasm between these schools okay sure but last time I checked uh who won the the the Pack 12 last year it was Washington waston correct Washington does Washington have the same type of money in fail as Oregon no no and yet they beat him not once but twice great Point New Mexico State went over and beat Auburn Auburn for Christ's sake what are we like there's again it's not a dollarin win out type of deal I know that we would like to believe it works that way and I understand with the conference realignment and the way that things are shifting behind the money we like to pretend that that's the case it's not unfortunately or fortunately rather fortunately that's not the case well it's not just uh Jimbo Fisher who's warning about an ACC demise a very prominent national college football analyst referred to the ACC as quote unquote cooked we'll explain what he means and and why why the conference is in the place that it's in right now you want to keep it locked right here my friends we're only getting started Alex Dono from locked on K Kenton Gibbs from locked on Wolfpack right here on this brand new episode of Locked on acc keep it locked and if you're a small business owner I already know you're keeping it locked to LinkedIn jobs because when you're hiring for your small business you want to find quality professionals that are right for the role that's why you have to check out 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really good Tracy Lawrence song he says when Daddy was a strong man never got released on the radio but that's one of the lines in there uh I wish change would just leave well enough alone he said if you've not paid attention to this stuff and all you do uh and and at all and you think to yourself I don't really care just tell me when they kick the ball off I respect you he says um but you know he talks about uh uh the lawsuits and everything just say you know coming out of those spring meetings that the ACC just feels cooked um and I I think he's speaking for the college football fan base at large Kenton because that that seems to be we talked about this uh last Friday you know how the public perception of this league has never been lower so I'll ask you does the ACC do they only have themselves to blame or was this just kind of a a natural evolution of falling behind the Big 10 in SEC yes the ACC only has theirselves to blame for Swafford the Swafford thing was what led us here without that domino falling in the way that it did we are not here for those of you who don't know for those of you who are new hey Cal Stanford SMU and Friends welcome in let's give you a brief little history of this thing right so commissioner John Swafford not going to say what university he graduated from but just know their logo is a dirty foot so um he gra he was the ad at UNCC and then he went on to become the commissioner of the ACC now when he was a commissioner at ACC his son had a very very high ranking position over at raycon now raycon was not available or it was not good of a network as many other networks as they could have went and gotten for the ACC and for the ACC schools yeah like three media rights I think is what those were referred to ding ding ding so instead of the ACC ending up tier one or even tier two they ended up tier three now what happened as a result of the ACC becoming tier three because there are just less possible viewers period because again Raycom was not ubiquitously available like a CBS like an ABC like a ESPN even which is behind the pay wall and all that it wasn't as available as those things so what happens as a result of that the numbers plummet they are not good they you do not see an increase in numbers who by the way his son also graduated from the same uh Club of dirty Footers shall we say now um the the numbers plummet and so what happens going into the next deal they have to negotiate off of those numbers that were not great and they had to find a new partner which again ended up being tier three in Bal Sports which somehow had blacked out games when it was like Hey I live by Carter Finley Stadium why can I not watch the game on TV oh it's blacked out so with that in mind what ultimately ends up happening is the ACC is put behind this terrible eightball where they have to take whatever deal they can get because we all know that advertisers and companies are not giving you money based off what you could do it's based off what you have done and what they had done with a tier three medeor rights deal was poop garbage backw it was it was it was horrible so that's what the that's what got the locomotive rolling in the way that we are today and whoopee congratulations this is where we end up at now are we cooked I think this is the same type of Doom and glism that surrounded the Big 12 when Texas and Oklahoma left and I don't think that we're you know it's it's over it's done for it's all over but the shouting but this is not a a good way to be it's it's legitimately not you know like like Jimbo said although I disagree with the example he used and although I don't think that there's a one toone money situation what I do believe is if you're looking at the bottom schools then catching up to your conference's top schools that is tough that's that's tough to get over even if those schools still will have a problem getting the the best players from different states and whatnot because again they're just not known as good football schools it's tough but I I think this is a little bit of uh that 2012 syndrome though the world is ending and I know about it before everybody else type thing you know you brought up the uh the media dealings between Swafford senior and sord Jr who was a highlevel executive at Raycom um and you know the the potential shadiness behind that deal because if if you are if you are entrusted with cutting the media deals on behalf of all the members of your conference part of that fiduciary responsibility comes in looking for the best possible deal not doing you know a favor for a family member so I I think that you know how how deep that rabbit hole goes is something that we may find out when the discovery process in these court cases moves forward uh that could be one of those potential loopholes that might you know provide Florida State Clemson with with a way out of the grant of rights I I don't know for sure if that's enough of a loophole we'll cross that bridge when we get to it um you know but elsewhere W with all these bad sentiments around the ACC Kenton we were talking about this a little bit off air before the show started the grant of rights it's a double-edged sword okay because on the one hand uh you know the ACC had had locked in uh a television deal through 2036 that probably seemed like a great deal at the time uh I I don't think they anticipated how how much other TV deals would Skyrocket they thought they were signing a fair market deal now all of a sudden you know schools like Florida State and Clemson that feel like they can do so much better are are locked into a deal where there's a $40 million Revenue gap between these other schools right so that that that's the bad part of the grant of rights I I guess from and you know good is a relative term here this is good for the ACC the good part of it for the conference is that grant of rights is probably the only thing that at least for now is holding the conference together right because schools would probably found a way out earlier if not for that grant of rights exactly exactly as unfortunate as it is and as I hate to see like a a situation that's held together by somebody getting the raw end of a deal here but the reality is if one side didn't get a very raw end of a deal this this the reality is this thing really would be cooked it would be over because if while I will say Jimmy Phillips is not very Jim Phillips is not very vocal he's not very like this this charismatic this like guy that you're like oh man this is a great one thing that he is is he is a good business decision maker he makes the decision that's right for the money and let me explain to you why this La granted Rights was right for the money for the conference for the existence of the conference imagine if he only said oh the deal is through 2028 2027 right and how much do these teams make from every year from the um from the the deal here what is it $30 million or so 35 think it's it's in the 35 the 40 range I believe okay let's say $40 million $40 million time 4 160 million they would have to pay 160 million as their exit ticket which is a lot more stomachal which is a lot more feasible than half a billion so with that in mind you're looking at a very different situation where whether or not teams like it you're you know um as the old song goes you got clowns To the Left To Me Joker to the right here I am stuck in the middle with you because I can't pay a a half a billion to get out so that's that from that standpoint the gr of rights did do right by the ACC in terms of keeping everybody together for as long as possible even if it's not the greatest Financial benefit to all these universities right I I just think that there there's this wide perception and I I I tend you know nothing's black and white about the situation but I do tend to agree that ACC leadership and you know maybe I shouldn't lump Phillips into this because he he came in so these problems already existed before Jim inherited a burning house he inherited a burning house but so you know as as to who set that house on fire um all these decisions really were made in terms of self-preservation for conference leadership rather than the best for their member institutions and isn't isn't that the entire point of this k at least it should be like it it should be your conference your mission should be providing the best possible competitive landscape for your member universities not for Mr front office guy or Mr ACC commissioner and his secretary and his staff like it you know it feels like self-preservation for conference leadership has taken the front seat versus actually providing the best experience for your members and I think that is an issue oh absolutely I I'm not going to lie and say hey that's the idea of keeping the ACC together period is the ACC in existence is inherent good that needs to happen I'm not going to lie and say that right right with that being said as long as the sun rises on the East and sets on the west you'll have people acting in their own self-interest like that's it's it's just it's the way that this thing was NCAA does it especially in the current economic system that we live under where it's like hey brother you eat or you starve a lot of people are gonna do very unscrupulous things to eat which is again what has us in this situation in a lot of regards and what is like you said that's what to me that's the biggest hold up for the merger that I think should be inevitable but for whatever reason it's just not a thing um again there can only be one commissioner there can only be one executive assistant to the commissioner there can only be one Chief Financial Officer there can only be one compliance off and everybody's like oh well I I don't want to lose my job because I like myob and it's like dude this is y'all both of you are going to end up 40 million Behind these other conferences both of you that is a fact of that's just a matter of fact okay there are no Heavy Hitters for one of you for the other one of you your Heavy Hitters are sing you to get out I am telling you right now you will never be able no game that you all produce will be able to keep up with the top games on the other side how can you kind of close that Gap bridge that Gap just a little bit because right now the Gap is ever widening so you know it it'd be beautiful for both sides to come together and find a but again it it's so far from even the thought and sphere because again there's a lot of Doom and glism where people are not looking at the objective fact of what is and they're focusing on what could be and oh well if the ACC falls apart I love Dr to to death that's my brother from another mother but he keeps claiming all these ACC teams like oh pit this is what you look like in the big Club come on dog come on it's not happening anytime soon it's not happening anytime soon as much as everybody keeps screaming that you and I sound like uh Utah fans last year or whatever the case may be the reality is the Pack 12 had a TV deal that was done that year literally that Year everybody knew this TV deal is done they want to get something new done but they have nothing done that year it is 2024 until 2025 at earliest at earliest there's going to be a continuation here and again for everybody saying well the ESPN just won't ESPN just won't renew ESPN is winning the deal why why would a side that's winning the deal give that deal up like what are we okay are the neurons neuron if you had living brain cells they would die of loneliness we need to help you out here and explain that again ESPN is whooping the wheels off the ACC there this isn't a situation where they're like we got to offload this immediately we're losing too much money on this deal so objectively speaking again I think that the ACC needs to go to the big 12 and say hey the acc's got us raked over the co let's let's get together let's work this thing out but again like you said people are acting their own self-interest not selfin their conference and their players well speaking of which uh acting in self-interest the NCAA is pissing off the non power four conferences with the tax bill that's about to come due for this house versus NCAA settlement you want to keep it locked right here locked on acc and I already know you're keeping it locked to FanDuel guys you were having fun on this Nicks Pacers series I I had the Pacers and and they were able to come through for me on Sunday I've been betting on my Florida Panthers in the NHL on FanDuel they're headed to the Eastern Conference Finals yeah it's winner take all time in the NBA and NHL and FanDuel is giving you a shot to bring home a big win of your own right now new customers get $150 in bonus Bets with any winning $ five bet that's 150 bucks to bet on spreads money lines player props and more and that's any winning $5 bet so you know go go find a ridiculously lopsided money line bet five 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their War chess they're only really paying one that's a lot of money I know but they're only paying 1.1 out of 2.7 billion from that of that 1.6 billion nearly 60% is expected to come from leagues outside the power conferences that are named in the house lawsuit the other 40% will come from the power conferences for example the cost annually for the Big East is expected at between 5.4 million and 6.6 million over the next decade according to a source familiar with the memo and we did have strongly worded comments from the Big East commissioner about how unhappy that they are with the NCAA basically acting unilaterally and and the other non-power conferences are getting screwed and they're not even going to have like the revenue sharing money to pay out their athletes after this so so the the the non power four I mean good luck surviving all this my God I thought that this was goingon to be a Net game for everybody except the the power four and or I'm sorry the power four were going to be the only ones to see the net gain out of this but it's even worse than I thought oh boy yeah yeah yeah that that bill is is that tax bill is gonna hurt some pockets it's gonna hurt some pockets it's gonna hurt some Souls because I tell you what a lot of these universities were already running in the red in terms of of their Athletics departments their athletic departments were being subsidized by the state which they should be because a lot of these are public universities but still this is oh man how do you even make up this chm for schools that are already in the red how do you make this up and and how do you kind of clear this and you know if you're paying the tax on this thing you should also get some of the Kickbacks on the back end of it that's that's unforunate but in the acc's in for ACC purposes in particular I'm interested to see how this plays out from school to school because every school is in a very different situation and I'm very intrigued to see how this plays out my final thought on this is the NCAA has 1.1 billion laying around in their coffers apparently what's going on in Indianapolis we need to have some conversations cuz what well I mean they you know that that's probably uh all the all the fines and stuff that they've handed out in like past recruiting viol you not the stuff they can no longer enforce like they can't really enforce recruiting violations anymore that's probably all all that all that old money uh that they had laying around but this is yeah this this is rough uh we'll talk more uh later this week about how this is specifically going to affect the ACC but if you're you know if you're one of those non-power conferences especially the ones that don't have football because there's a lot of those that don't have football you're really screwed but we'll get into it more throughout the week he's Kenton Gibbs from locked on Wolf Pack I am Alex Dono from locked on canes thank you so much for making locked on acc your first listen 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