Carlson OUT, Dillon DONE | Bart Winkler

back at it tonight as they open a series against the Giants at American Family field Milwaukee does so holding the only double- digit division lead in the majors right now with a 10-game advantage on the Cubs with this Wisconsin Sport Zone Network update I'm Zach Kyle PR it's a unique deal in regards to the timing of our game being that it's on a Friday they'll be off Sunday Monday Tuesday and then we'll bring them back in Wednesday and we'll get together this is where Wisconsin gathers to talk sports Packers Brewers Badgers bucks the wisco sports show is on the air now here's your host Grant bills same comment from Matt leflour in the intros yesterday just describing his team's schedule I believe that was from Saturday it was either before or after the Ravens game I guess it doesn't really matter if it was before or after I think it was after basically saying okay got the final preseason game in the books roster cut down on Tuesday at 3 p.m. central Time so 52 or an hour and two minutes ago math is not look I work in radio Okay 62 minutes ago not 52 minutes ago so what's the schedule what's the plan and Matt leflour in classic football coach fashion gets bent out of shape it's like well you know we got to play next Friday so that's you know that's a little it's a little weird for us um but you know we'll be off Monday Monday Tuesday team's back Wednesday I would assume the same as every team maybe a day early but now we know what 53 players will be back tomorrow cuts are done rosters are down from 90 to 53 there'll be a little movement at the bottom a little movement at the bottom of these rosters as I've been trying to explain the last two days won't be a ton we'll be a little practice squads will be set but we know the 53 man rosters and which players for the most part will be reporting tomorrow and for and for thousands of players or hundreds of players at least I don't know exactly around football their playing careers are probably over I've always found it a little odd that play-by-play announcers and football reporters this time of year they love hitting that concept they love getting at that like on Saturday I'm listening to Kevin Haron and John or McCarron and and Wayne larvey on the radio and they're like and for so many of these young men this will be the last time they put on that Jersey it's like Jesus it it's just it's it's always so much it's like and today a lifelong dream will come crashing down it's like geez okay they will probably never do anything this exciting in their life imagine that at 22 years old peing it's like gee let it we get it geez they always bang that drum to death and it's it's kind of funny but it's also a little dark as a lot of these players careers now come to an end this is the whis sports show my name is Grant bills look I never do this I never call my shot like this this show is this is gonna be this is going to be electric for the next two hours because we can react to the Packers 53 man roster they there are a lot of decisions with certain players that I think have bigger picture discussions like oh Andre Carlson's not on the team anymore we learned that this morning yeah but it this about more than Andre Carlson it's about the process of picking that player trying to develop that player where we go now like there's a lot to talk about with just Anders Carlson and a lot of these players that either made or or just barely missed out on on the 53 men roster tonight's show is gonna I don't like I don't I don't mean to oversell it but I I just know this show is gonna rip so you are in the right place I'll start taking phone calls in about eight minutes if you're ready last night we were reacting to the trade for Malik Willis the phones were buzzing it felt like football season again and now that we know who's been cut who made the roster I want to keep taking calls I I want to be hot take shock jock Sports Talk Radio tonight I am amped so I'll come to you in about 5 to eight minutes if you're ready 608 3211 1670 Bart Winkler the infinity Sports network is going to join us at the bottom of this hour at 4:30 to talk about some of these roster cuts and and what they mean for the Packers bigger picture again I don't like I'm not breaking down Anthony Johnson Jr film and the difference between him and Zay that's not what we're doing but we'll talk about who made the roster who didn't and what it means right for the team and for the way that they operate 608 3211 1670 is the number to call would love to have you you can text that number as well you can tweet me at whis Grant or comment on the live stream I'll do my best to watch it today because I I want this to be I want this to be a big sounding board for Packers fans and how we feel about some of these decisions and some of these players that have now made or didn't make the roster for the 2024 team let's start with maybe a couple of the surprises none of these decisions truly shocked me and I'm not going to read to you the whole 53 man roster but a couple players that were on the bubble that didn't make it or a player that a lot of people thought would make it a lot of people on Twitter seemed very surprised that the Packers kept Zay Anderson over Anthony Johnson Jr Anthony Johnson Jr had made some nice plays flying around everywhere in preseason he seemed like at least reading the reaction of many Packers people he seemed like a guy we all thought was going to make the roster people are surprised that seems to be the one genuine surprise or shock even I might say that he didn't make the roster so Anthony Johnson Jr did not make it two names that I was watching Christen Welch who's had a really really good preseason he was everywhere on Saturday he didn't make the cut Grant Duos was another player the bottom of the wide receiver position right would they keep six would they keep seven I always kind of thought it would be six maybe seven although I don't think they've kept seven since one of those years with McCarthy it's been a while since they've kept seven and I thought between Malik Kei Bo Melton Grant Dubose maybe Dubose gets the nod over Melton or Heath Heath was one of the first players we learned about this morning he made it and then B Melton ends up making it so Grant Duos is the last man he's that seventh wide receiver left off the roster not shocked I'm not shocked that Welch didn't make it I figured he was on the bubble but I thought maybe he's performed pretty well could have been a special teams guy and seemed to I don't know apply himself pretty well on defense at least on Saturday it's one preseason game and that's why preseason games can be a little much training camp can be a little much sometimes you put a little bit too much weight into some of these practices and some of these performances in the preseason Grant Duos I thought maybe fits the Packers wide receiver archetype a little bit better than Bo Melton but he in his final preseason game looked pretty good and he performed well for them in actual NFL games down the stretch last year so not shocked that Duos and the Christian Welch did make Anthony Johnson Jr's interesting but I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm shocked and appalled that a safety on the bubble didn't make it because when you say hey Packers safeties I say well Xavier mckin they just gave him about $70 million they just drafted Javon Bullard and Evan Williams Javon Bullard was a second round pick who's impressed Evan Williams out of Oregon was the fourth round pick he's really impressed in both camp and in the game so far in the preseason kesan Nixon another player who's kind of a safety slot Corner move around back end of the defense guy if I can mention four safeties easily before Anthony Johnson Jr I sure I think Anthony Johnson Jr had a a good case to be the fifth best safety but are we really going to be shocked and appalled that the fifth or sixth best safety didn't make it I do question Zan Anderson why why do they make that choice because when you get to the bottom of position groups you start thinking and talking about special teams maybe did the Packers prefer Zay Anderson on special teams to what Anthony Johnson Jr could provide on special teams I I don't know these are the things that you have to think about at the very bottom of these position groups if you're the fifth safety on the roster you got to be able to do more than just play safety and maybe that went into the decision-making who knows we'll talk more about that we can parse that out Grant Duos and Welch two names that I'm interested to watch now in the next couple of hours because I think the Packers would probably love to have both of those guys back on the practice squad just couldn't quite make it on the roster not shocked not upset about it just two names that I had my ey on thought maybe maybe uh but didn't quite make it they I would assume were some of the last names that just missed out huge developments at running back massive developments at running back in the last hour and a half or so we learned two things we learned that AJ Dylan has been placed on IR with no designation return his season's done before it begins literally like literally before his season begins his season is over we can have some longer conversations if you have AJ Dylan thoughts I have some maybe that's we can go back and forth on on the phones as the show goes along or you know you can comment you can text you can tweet in um AJ Dylan I mean the dude was a second round pick we talk about him now like he's almost a modern fullback like the short yardage back that's not what he was drafted to be he wasn't drafted to be a specialty player he was drafted with the idea you can be a feature back when Jamal Williams leaves or maybe one day when Aaron Jones leaves well both of those guys now have left and AJ Dylan still I mean now because of his health but last year when he was healthy it's not like he really impressed now Marshon Lloyd being healthy he made the 53 he's not starting the year on IR designated to return possibly after four games which we have to then assume that he'll be ready at some point in the next couple of weeks which wasn't a given I don't know if it'll mean week one but it could mean week two three four maybe it's five or six I don't know but the Packers feel confident enough about his health that he'll be back sooner rather than later otherwise they would have designated him put him on IR then they could have bought an extra uh you know roster spot in the meantime that's a big deal last year the Packers running back spot was shaky it was Aaron Jones and then you know a lot of and I love Aaron Jones the same way that I love Josh Jacobs and I think a big reason why the Packers moved off of Aaron Jones and went to Josh Jacobs is they feel better about his sturdiness right his durability is a number one back better about Jacobs than they do about Aaron Jones at age 30 Josh Jacobs is just 6 so that part of the running back room has improved I don't know if Josh Jacobs is a better back I he's a different back I think they're both excellent I think when you consider the ages and the durability now with their current ages I think the Packers upgraded I feel more confident about the running back room this year than I did last year the second third four string I I feel no better about now Emanuel Wilson maybe he got a little bit better and if he got a little bit better from last year to this year all right there there's marginal Improvement but I thought AJ Dylan maybe would be in a better spot this this year he's not even going to play and Marshon Lloyd who they spent a third round pick on won't be ready now the fact that he's not starting the season on IR is a good thing but who knows when he'll be ready and when he's ready if he'll look good because when he was healthy in Camp he didn't look good but prefer him to be healthy that's good news AJ Dylan season ending that's I mean that's that's a hit for a running back room that was shallow last year it didn't get any deeper the lead dog again I feel better about the lead dog staying healthy and I feel better about not needing to use depth Maybe like they did last year but Matt LeFleur wants to rotate guys he doesn't want to have a Bellow back but that's a significant significant development that Lloyd is going to be healthy at least before that four-week Mark we could assume otherwise they would have put him on injured reserve designated to return so massive movement a running back that's really important lastly and then I want to get to the phone 608 3211 1670 this morning Anders Carlson was released I don't have much to say about Andre Carlson the player you can't hit 31 yarders if I can't trust hit 31 yards you can't be my Kicker I you know we can talk about well you know he hit 80% of his kicks and well Crosby for his career he only hit 80% of his kicks when you put it into perspective if you can't hit a 31 y you can't be my Kicker plain and simple okay I am more interested in the minations behind Anders Carlson the strategy of picking him why him over other kickers if you want to talk about whether or not kickers and Specialists should be drafted we can do that it doesn't really get my motor running but I know it does for some others so I want to make sure you have an outlet to discuss that and and talk about that if you'd like I also think we should probably talk about rich bachia he's the million-dollar man you know not actually he's getting a lot more than a million dollars every year he's making a ton of money he's the League's top paid special teams coordinator he liked Carlson he wanted that guy he wasn't the most accurate kicker in college bace I assume then behind closed doors was like no no no I can develop him I can coach him up and he didn't he got no better from last year this year if Andre Carlson would have improved 15% from last year to this year he'd be on this roster the Packers did not want to make this move and Andre Carlson left them no choice so I think R Rich bace we need to take a look at the job he's doing it's like man are I understand you're the associate head coach you're a veteran coach you carry a lot of weight you have a voice you connect with players that's all good but the Special Teams I I don't know and let's not act like the Packers haven't made Personnel decisions and allocated resources two special teams on behalf of Rich bace they have the last couple of years and I think the bottom of the safety position keeping somebody over someone like Anthony Johnson Jr I think that's a nod to Rich bace special teams group they are helping him they are allocating resources for him and yet I'm underwhelmed with his units oh yeah and again he's making a pile of money I have concerns about what's going on there I do and I'm not saying that rich bace should have turned andris Carlson into you know Prime Adam vinary but could I see a 5 10 15 % Improvement and development from year one to year two no because if we would have seen that he'd be on the team and he's not let's take some calls 608 3211 1670 whco sport show hello who's this yeah it's Darnell hey Darnell what's up hey um so here's a little bit of a hot take for you I think Anders Carlson's gonna have like a 10-year NFL career that's another that's why the Packers also didn't want to move off of him because you don't want to move off the kicker and then have the kicker go have a great career and be really productive somewhere else yeah but I think he will I like I think he's got the tools he's got to put it together um and I think that you can't have a kicker as a project and that was their issue okay right um so I think he's got the tools to be a good kicker just isn't there yet um and that's just tough uh to be in the Packers position and have have that be the case um well if he has the tools Rich bace of all people he's top dog he's top special teams dog in the NFL if he can't unlock those tools and if he can't bring them along what does that say about rich bace if he goes somewhere else and all of a sudden he figures it out and develops as a kicker H well that doesn't say a whole lot about rich does it that's my point it was a leading question it was not a fair unbiased question yeah yeah you got uh yeah I I I gotta uh but first off that I do think that that honor is gonna end up having he's he's got the what does Colin card always say he's got the football name right his his older brothers already a k ker in the league it's in his blood right that's what that's what coward would say bloodline um um but anyways I I I think that that that move just kind of it that's such a packer move right like um other teams I feel like would hold on to that player because that's our guy or like and and the Packers like they're so much more of a business than some some other teams like Rogers hated it right he's like I hate how they dealt with Jordy and how they hate how they dealt with Charles Woodson but like the Packers are an organization that says when you suck or you're not doing what we're paying you to do you're gone I kind of like that honestly I I do too I like that we can talk more about that darn know we got loaded phone lines and I want to get to everybody you lost me a little bit when comparing Andre Carlson to Charles I should hope a lot of teams would move off a kicker who's no good I get what you're saying I'm glad the Packers did this too because he can't hit a 30 yard I don't want him kicking for my team if I can't trust him to a 30 yard I just we we need to hone that take a little bit because I don't know if Anders Carlson Charles Woodson I don't I'm failing to see the connection but maybe we find it throughout the week Darnell I know we'll talk again 608 321 1670 whco Sports show who's this grant you are fired up today your like words per minute as a host is is off the chart well we we only got we only got two hours to do this we got a guest it's football season the phones were hopping last night I want to keep that going hell yeah uh what a day what a day I love cut day well it's sad for a lot of guys but it's just a lot of news I love it for the purposes of SW stock radio great content um I think you you're nailing it with this bassia stuff I mean this guy and I get it I've been clowned for two years saying Jo Barry's not the worst coordinator on the Packers staff um I've been clowned by I was clowned initially by saying Matt laflor can't hire coordinators and I'm really interested to see what happens this year man because Basia you know what did they rank last year 25th in special teams he's the highest paid and I get it the kicker is only one part of that coverage all that goes into it that's gonna be a major question mark play fine if your special teams are ranked 25th but you can develop a kicker all right there there I see the value right I see the utility or if or if the the kickoff cover and the punts it was it was unique and you were you were getting value there but you couldn't develop the kicker okay but we're getting neither from bace I got to get something and I don't know that we're getting anything right now in the in the special in the Special Teams Department let me say that I think he's providing value elsewhere I don't I don't see it in the Special Teams Department yeah and what we're seeing value elare who knows right he's there primarily to do special teams that's that's first and foremost his job now the other thing that I think is fun for for our community for the wisco sports show and then the sports color Community is we make a lot of hay with these conversations about backup quarterbacks and tickers and running backs isn't it fun today to see it all culminate to those conversations were worth having those conversations were happening not just on Sports Talk Radio platforms but they were happening back in the room where it happened right I mean these guys were going to town we've got Malik Willis out of nowhere we've got Greg the leg kicking for us all season and we've got Marshon Lloyd starting with injured hamstring as our backup running back and maybe Wilson I don't know man I feel bad about running back still I feel a little bit better about backup quarterback in the kicker situation man we are gonna be riding the rail all season long on that on that baby that rips hell yeah I it will be fun back John and I gotta get a break in uh that is it's not something that I considered like oh the conversations that we had in on this show were actually worth having and what I do for work and how we spend two hours every night isn't a complete and total waste of time like that's a good feeling if you're on hold I promise stay there 3 minutes I will get to you in 3 minutes and 20 seconds it's the whco sports show more of your thoughts next this is the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sports Zone Radio Network [Music] the wisco sports show will resume in 3 minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sports show will resume in two minutes [Music] [Music] he [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in one minute [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sport show will resume in 30 seconds [Music] [Music] [Music] it's the wisco sports show we're about 15 minutes away not even 10 11 12 minutes away from Bart Winkler the infinity Sports Network my fellow Packers shareholder as well going to react with us to some of these roster decisions and some of the big picture conversations that stem from these roster decisions get to the phones here in 20 seconds just to give you a a very quick and efficient recap of my take so far I'm not shocked by any of the roster decisions Anthony Johnson Jr getting cut for the sake of Zay Anderson is a little surprising but I think that's another resource that's another nod to R Rich bace special teams and I'm a little peeved at Rich basa because he couldn't improve Andre Carlson even a little bit not even a little not even 15 20% that would have been enough for him to stick as the kicker this year he couldn't even do that so as I was discussing a little bit with some callers like man he's making money hand over Fists he got the kicker that he wanted he gets all the resources that he wanted and I'm still underwhelmed also AJ Dylan season is over and Marshon Lloyd is starting the year not on injured reserve which is a good thing the Marshon Lloyd part not the AJ Dylan part sucks but the Marshon Lloyd part that was a pleasant surprise of today right back to the phone 68 3211 1670 whis Sports show who's this grants grants grants cone cone cone how the tables have turned on your Viewpoint of Anders Carlson wait a wait in what way you know I heard you on a podcast with your next guest Bart Winkler about a week ago saying you know Anders isn't getting caught there's not going to be a scenario this year where he loses up the playoff game well not to be to be fair there won't be I was right about that last part I look because con would you disagree with me on this this was such a winnable job for Andre Carlson Greg Joseph stunk and Alex hail stunk all he had to do was beat a fraction better than he was last year and he couldn't even do that that's it it just goes to show you how disappointing he was in camping in the preseason yeah 100% agree but you were one of the ones on on the the radio landscape you know carrying water for this guy I was carrying water to move away from Mason Crosby Andre Carlson was simply The Vessel to allow me to communicate that whoever now they can get they can use whatever kicker they want as long as it's not Mason Crosby we need to get that out of our mind I'm still in the Mason Camp you know Adam V did his whole career why can't Mason all right we'll see um running back you know there's I was just looking online still a decent amount of good backup running backs they could sign um I like Melvin Gordon you know a little Badger connection I think we should make that happen because I I don't trust this rookie with a bad hamstring we've seen how that plays out with Christian Watson we don't need that in our running back room too it does concern me and I just got to get a couple callers and con I know we'll talk more throughout the week the hamstring does concern me it concerns me less that he's not on IR but only marginally um the Tanner morai is available by the way he was cut by the ners so upgrade from Sean Clifford if they want him on the practice squad maybe who says no 608 321 670 whis Sports show who's this this is hot take Jake hot take Jake Tanner morai isn't John staco available instead well you know I saw I think vagabon John was keeping an active tracker of badgers in the league to stick it to Luke fickle because he just likes pushing back against whatever coaches in power at the time which I get but I digress well you know what Mr bills I love cut down day because it's like it's one of those things that puts The Fanatic in sports like we got a whole day talking about this stuff of like dudes that well they made the 53 and then you know eight weeks from now they're going to be gone cut for a practice squad guy that we signed from somewhere else that we never heard of but we talk about it so passionately like God I pray to God he makes it to our practice squad and it's like it's just funny to me they're gonna make it they our our cuts are going to make it I do think vagabon John had a point when he's like hey we pulled our hair out over backup quarterback and kicker and the Packers made moves at backup quarterback and kicker so that at least wasn't a waste of time right yeah well and it's a good sign to me that they cut Carlson um last year I was Furious that they rolled with Carlson just given the performance he gave in college and in Camp and my thought process was I thought Green Bay was pretty good and I was like this is a playoff team and if they are going to roll with this Carlson kid they clearly don't see themselves as a playoff team because games come down to field goals more often than not and you can't rely on a kid like this you can't if you're a playoff Contender you can't develop a kicker you just can't do it so to me what like maybe they really didn't believe that they were a contender last year and maybe they thought that you know the the first half of Jordan love was what we were going to see so they could afford to try to develop this kicker we didn't think they the problem is we didn't even think they were a playoff team until like December 1st that's the problem so by the time they were a playoff team I mean it it all happened so quickly at the end of the year I it's hard to fault him what what did you want him did you want him shopping for kickers in you know October under the idea of well just in case we get hot we better have a I don't know it's hard for me to fault the Packers for how they handled kicker last year well it's h i I thought going into the year that they were going to be a playoff team then they disappointed me and then they you know did what they did but uh I just you had this sinking feeling in the back of your mind that like this is going to come back to bite him and sure enough it did um so I'm happy that like okay let's we have to be serious about this now is Joseph that much more of an improvement over Carlson I don't know but at least I'm not gonna be you know holding my I gota watch my mouth here holding your what what were you going to say what are you holding thought I thought I was on Mr Winkler's pod for a second well he's coming up next he's coming up next I thing if he was on with me right now I might have let that one flip but I mean what what's your point I gotta wrap it up would you let me ask you this to to close because we do have to get toart are you more comfortable with Greg Joseph on a 35 yard than you would be with Andre Carlson oh absolutely without question I think that's what it comes down to right Jake yep you gota at least have the guy that can give you the gimmies if you have a guy that misses from 58 okay that's that's understandable but you know the the ones that are uh are give me and then it's those are the ones that really really end up hurting you in the long run I think so and that's a good call I'm excited to have you in the fold hot dick Jake I'm out of time the segment I got to get to Bart so if you're on hold you can stay there and I'll get to you it'll just be after the guest or if you want to call back I promise in the five o'clock hour we're going to roll through phone calls so if you do have time tonight to call and you want to get in I promise I'll get you in we just got to pause we're going to get to Bart Winkler the infinity Sports Network he hosts on I think most of these Affiliates from 9: to 1 every morning he's a fellow Packer shareholder as well he will join us next on the wisco sports show this is the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sports Zone radio [Music] network disco sport show will resume in 5 minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sport show will resume in four minutes [Music] [Music] he [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in three minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in two minutes [Music] [Music] w [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in one minute [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in 30 seconds [Music] [Music] n [Music] it's the whis sports show we are whipping through phone calls tonight God this is great football feels like it's back people are fired up and mad about this that and the other thing it's incredible last night the Malik Willis trade never have we gotten more fired up and taken more calls about a a pick for a seventh rounder for a quarterback that's probably never going to play god it feels good feels like football is back here to discuss the uh the Packers going on of the day from the infinity Sports Network a fellow Packers shareholder and a longtime contributor to this show it is uh Bart Winkler who joins us now he's on Twitter at the BART Winkler show Bart good afternoon how are you not just is it uh people are mad about Malik Willis they were mad that it wasn't Ryan tanah Hill the wrong either matters or is good yeah I don't know that either is great I don't let's start with Malik Willis because I it seems to me like like the Packers they're just so against just simply getting a backup quarterback yeah in making this move it's clear they think they need a backup Clifford and Pratt are not good enough so they go out and get like an incremental improvement from Clifford and Pratt and last then I'm going back and forth with callers and callers like well this is what we do we drafted develop gu yeah but that hasn't worked it didn't work with Hunley it didn't work with Kaiser it it worked Once Upon a Time with Flynn but I don't know that this is the best way to do it what do you think of the Willis trade well Willis when he was at Liberty he dominated would you f off no he did go ahead all right I I didn't think you were serious go ahead okay I watched a lot of those games because I would play him in Daily fantasy sports okay okay he' rack up yards but then in the draft people were like could he be a first round pick and I was like no they're like well what about second and they're like no no and then Titans take him in the third do the same thing the next year taking Levis in the second just taking guys that drop but to me this isn't about this isn't about the Packers identifying a guy that they like and would rather have as their backup quarterback it's about that they had two guys in Pratt and Clifford that battled each other for the qb2 job and both lost like they played themselves out of qb2 so the Packers are like well I don't know that Malik Willis is any good but we certainly don't like the guys we have so get another body in here I don't like Malik Willis is not going to start games on purpose he's not going to be a Packers Hall of Famer he's not probably even going to be on this roster next year but he is a guy that they have and I you know I I'm I'm with a lot of people in terms of like backup quarterbacks an important position um you know good buddy Chuck Freeman for years we would do weeks on Brian Hoyer why don't we get a guy backup should we get a veteran backup but he was specifically wanting Brian Hoyer so but I I I agree with that the thing is though you need to get a guy if you're gonna find a backup quarterback find a guy that can get you through four games okay anything else you will not make you will be bad if if you need a backup quarterback for more than four games you're toast so in some way it matters and in some way it also doesn't when you pay 55 million dollars for Jordan love your starting quarterback you're you're invested in what Jordan love is gonna bring to this team it's not going to be like Jordan love something happens in week five and you're like that's okay because we're paying 5500 or $550,000 to Malik Willis yeah so part of why I love talking Packers with you and part of why I'm jealous that you get to do National radio you get to kind of flex what it means to be a Packers fan on like fan bases that like what what are you laughing at you get to flex Packers fandom I just love this whole operation I love the kons or whatever they're called I love the box I love the logo I love that I love it all I love the comments I love it all I'm having fun with it I'm jealous of you because you get to go on National radio and act holier than thou like well Packers fans yeah I heard you last week ranking like the best times of day to watch your team and you said 330 is the best and I agree because you can watch all the noon games and then power down during Sunday Night Football and your producer was like but that's when all the terrible that's when the Raiders and the Cardinals play it's like nobody not if you're a packer a Cowboys fan then your America's game of the week and some people don't at that so you speak very well to the identity of a Packers fan and what it means to be and an owner for better worse thank you yes yeah do we need do we need to reconsider we're so proud of Drafting and developing quarterbacks we're a quarterback Factory but does that actually help us win and are we that good at it like with Kaiser and with Clifford and with Hundley are we better than any other team in the NFL with what we did with those guys and what we got out of those guys I don't like take a lot of pride in drafting and developing quarterbacks if you're not going to play them obviously when Rogers was drafted that was a draft and develop Jordan love is a draft and develop to play yeah anything else is just it makes you sleep a little better at night like well gosh we at least we have Ty dmer he won a Heisman I'm so stoked well we have Mark Brunell we have all these guys that like succeed other places and yeah exactly what does that get us well hassle back he started here it's like okay that's great for the Seahawks and I guess we can they called him Mr August that that doesn't do anything for me now the years that Rogers was hurt like Brett Hunley and Sen Wallace and Scott toine this was bad these these these were not good years but also he was hurt long enough where you're not like the the Chiefs right now have Carson Wentz would that make you feel better Carson Wentz is Carson Wentz is a car on the side of the road that's like for sale 500 bucks OB B and nobody gives a best offer it's just it sits there then it snows and the guy's got to like scrape it so you can put the sign nobody wants these guys there's there how many good like how many good pack up backup quarterbacks in the league are there I would say Aidan oconnell because he should be starting and Michael penck Jr who maybe a few more but I don't to start yeah I haven't thought about until now like when I'm dumping not dumping I'm reconsidering my identity as a Packers fan and what it means like and people say well we developed Jordan love yeah but that was a first round pick like the idea and develop the thing that sets us apart is we are willing to quote unquote throw away a first round pick for years to make sure we have the next quarterback we also don't care about who the guy is behind him so we will draft guys and we will trade seventh round picks and then I oh I see I see well why didn't we just wait for him to get cut my brother in Christ these are backup quarterbacks yeah if Jordan love gets hurt the Packers are going to be bad that's it it's reasonable the end it's great Sports Talk fodder especially on a show like this maybe doesn't move the needle for a national show man I I talked to uh my guy Jonathan peterin out of Cleveland MH last night and I'm like so what's up with the Browns he goes honestly I don't I mean I don't really have anything for you nobody knows I go yeah I don't either I mean DeShaun it's like every question I have the answer is let's talk in six weeks so we just talk Guardians that's that's actually Elite the BART Winkler show week nights 9 to11 Central or 9 to1 Central on the infinity Sports Network would 9 to1 11 be perfect you do two hours and you still get to bed before midnight if you want but he's grinding four hours a night uh h Carlson who's cut this morning I get why they did it he can't hit a 30 yard he can't be my Kicker okay here's what I am bringing and I think I'm I think I'm pioneering in the Packers space today I don't see many other people viral with your kicker takes well I mean that was just a throw that was for clicks actual meaningful point I think we need to talk about the job or the lack of a job that R rich bassi is doing for the money that he's getting what does he do you can't you can't if Andre Carlson would have made a 15% improvement from last year to this year he'd be our kicker that's all it would have taken and this was his guy from the beginning I know the Carlon family I'm I'm going to develop him I I think as media people we need to hold rich bace accountable that's what I'm trying to do today that's what I'm starting it feels like the last few guys that we've brought in is like any kind of coordinator that we've been excited about even we were excited about Mike petton at one point yeah he looked like a bulldog I remember having that conversation with you that mattered to me I think the thing with Basia is you're I mean the special teams have not been any better so I don't yeah I I mean hold him accountable you gonna be one of these guys hold them accountable you need to hold the RO of the media what we hold him you're gonna you're gonna yell at him for a segment on a on a syndicated talk show that'll that'll put that'll put that millionaire in his place wow some belief you have in the craft that you do every night for work you don't think the media has value I didn't go to school for journalism but my friend Ben Kenny did and he would always tell me that the role of the media is to ask and answer questions and to hold those in positions of power to account so that's what I'm doing today what does he do uh nope that's not what you do that was the role of the media before it went into being a for-profit industry which only uh now looks for controversy and division oh I'm now adding to as a blue check mark instigator well I'm not dividing Packers fans I'm saying Carlson was his guy he couldn't I'm not asking him to turn him into Prime Adam vinary but can I see Market improvement from year one to year two like you're supposed to my real Sports point is and we've talked about this on a podcast called into the Winkler verse uh you can get last week's episode uh where we talked at length about kickers youi and Paul imic is that my thought is you can develop quarterbacks you can develop running backs these guys get 70 plays a game and over time you hope to see Improvement and you have a plan there you can't develop special teamers in games they don't they don't they barely play there I don't know that there's a job in sports that's like you know those like graphs like amount of time he plays impact he has yep yep yep yep three kicks decides a game three just Strokes of your leg and then you're missing ones that like grank could make during the Super Bowl halftime show that the Philadelphia field goal kicking garbage can phenomenon guy dud you you weren probably alive for that that was a big deal Tony Danza movie no I wasn't alive for that I'm gonna ask you more about things I wasn't alive for to wrap up but continue making your sports point the field goal the garbage picking field goal kicking Philadelphia phenomenon it was an ABC movie on a Sunday night Tony Danza stared in it it was it it took over the nation yeah older people will remember the horse that kicked field goal Named Gus that was a mie not Mr Ed no it was Gus oh that was a different horse okay yeah um so basically I'm you you can't develop kickers if you're trying to develop a kicker it's too late is my thought okay well then I don't know I would like for rich bace to show his utility somewhere some way and I just I don't know that we're getting it the kicker would have been a nice spot especially because they were connected he knew that family had a connection with the player that was kind of his guy okay lastly another reason why I wanted to talked to you today Oasis is reuniting and we can be brief on this because there's very serious Packers discussions we got to have and I want to get back to calls but this is your era the 90s this is your wheelhouse your take to Oasis reuniting Oasis came on very strong um they were also very they they were very cocky about who they were but they they walk the walk and they talk the talk or vice versa M they had some bangers which still hold up today I listened to a little bit today I agree some of those songs yep those are still good they and they were they were a pop band from overseas that a lot of us Yankees over here on this side of the pond thought well maybe this is our Beatles you know it's it's the same thing and they're like Clos they're Brothers I mean how close can you be and also at the same time people forget people do forget that the Beatles had released a new song in 1995 called free as a bird and that was being played I mean because they found like John Lennon's old recording they just did it again like last year and no one cared yep there was a new song that played for like a day and nobody cared but at the time it was massive I was like oh my God we got the Beatles back and so then we kind of had like so it was bigger than the Beatles sort of a beatles thing and then they just fell apart the reason it's held up so much is because and this is a theory that I mean sometimes people pass away sometimes people just stop making content I like this Theory this is this is what I was going for here this is the clip this is the clip okay um like let's let's think about me for a second I'm on the radio nationally syndicated people like barely know I was cranking out these pods whatever but there's a I think there was if I just stopped after Chuck and Winkler I think people remember me in a whole new way because they're like oh that that era of Milwaukee sports radio it was different it was unique and we've never heard anything like it since but I've continued to put out content so it's like okay now we're seeing Bart you know play his three court Opera Neil Diamond kind of track it's like okay I mean the good stuff if you only only have if you only work for a little bit of time and your catalog is so classic and epic you will be regarded better there's a reason why we don't like cherish anybody like we there's so many musicians we should be like oh my God we still have these people like even even if they get up there and their voice is like um not so great we still have these people because the moment they die we think oh my God they were so tell tell your loved ones you love them now yeah so Oasis though everybody's making the same joke like if there's one concert you need to get insurance on it's this one because they'll probably screw it up I I gotta be honest with you I'm a little disappointed that they are going to reunite I think them not being able to solve their differences was part of the charm and this does I I hate to say I hate to say that Oasis is selling out but I'm not sure there's anything in music in the last 25 years that has felt more explicit licitly like a money grab than than this one did very quick followup 60 seconds did Hell Freezes Over the Eagles in 94 did it feel like this did that feel like a money grab or can no all that was good it's like when when uh I mean these guys put out new albums didn't Bruce put out a new album not too long ago I'm the one sports radio person in the world who couldn't give you that answer I don't know yeah and it's just like okay I'll listen to do it the one time and then it's like okay I want I want to hear Bor in the USA again yeah well Nebraska is actually if you're a real Springsteen fan that's actually his most poignant and probably touching work but I can tell you're not a Bruce fan so that's fine Bart win CL this is great I can't wait to listen to you tonight you g talk about rosters what is a national radio host talk about tonight oh I'm kind I I have a four- day weekend coming up so I'm already checked out yeah I don't like when people ask me what do you got coming up on the show tomorrow I'm like I don't it's not tomorrow yet I don't know tonight I got I got five hours to prepare for this show we and I have a producer that I make do more of the work now that's pretty nice I well you delegate and that makes for better work life balance it's better for everyone involved B I appreciate you thank you we all look forward to listening to your radio show on the infinity Sports Network and getting into the Winkler on these on these same stations yeah yep yep these same Affiliates after the Brewers game thank you Bart I appreciate your time there he goes Bart Winkler Infinity Sports Network I wanted to ask him about Oasis that's his he's a he's a '90s guy that's his type of music I mostly think music from the '90s really isn't that great but we remember it great which is why Oasis that's such a it was front of Mind especially talking to B today three minutes we'll come back we'll get right back into the Packers quarterbacks special teams roster decisions will continue to hit on it all and I want to get your thoughts 608 3211 1670 whis Sports show continues next this is the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sport Zone Radio Network [Music] the wisco sports show will resume in 3 minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sports show will resume in two minutes [Music] [Music] he [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in one minute [Music] [Music] the whis sport show will resume in 30 seconds [Music] [Music] whco Sports show got about two minutes before we break we'll get an update from Zack hrin and return for another full hour of the wisco sports show uh just enough time to get one call in there's been one caller waiting let G to get you in 608 3211 1670 wisco Sports show who's this and granty Oasis is great man why you begging on Oasis I'm not begging on Oasis I wasn't around in the 90s I listened to some of their stuff today I'm like okay yeah this is pretty great put it on a put it go to get a juke box put it on the you know this the speakers blast it drink some beer it's good times man hey the Packers I'm I am so glad I'm not gonna see AJ Dylan getting a third and fourth and one and getting short I I am happy about that I'm sad at for him but they got to figure out something with the running back and con mentioned that there's a bunch of guys out there I don't want Melvin no Corin I don't you know con no Melvin Gordon his days are past but I I gotta ask you this though I got to ask you this do you think Aaron Jones and Josh Jacobs was the master plan by Goot and it just didn't come through uh I wonder if he thought well I can get Josh Jacobs and maybe get Aaron Jones to take a pay cut maybe right I don't know that's a good question I hadn't thought about that what do you think got about 30 seconds I I think yeah I think he was actually part of the plan it just didn't work out and lastly surprise Cuts you know your guy Grant Duos Anthony Johnson and then you didn't mention kayin King is he I don't know if he's practice squad material or what but he was doing pretty well I thought probably I think for the seventh round pick that he was I thought he was doing fine with his opportunities that he got Tony I appreciate it we'll talk more later on throughout the week I think kayn King Grant Dubose you mentioned those two names top tier candidates for the practice squad and we'll see I'd imagine they'll be back because most guys get through almost all the guys get through hour two whis sports are next two minutes an update from Zach no commercials [Music] this is a wiconsin Sports Zone update well the short-lived Anders Carlson era at kicker for the Packers is over as part of the team's moves to get its roster down to 53 players by 3 p.m. today the team cut the former Auburn kicker a six round pick back in 2023 Carlson had an up and down first year in the NFL hit 81.8% of his kicks but was just 7even for 13 Beyond 40 yards and missed five extra points this preseason went three for four but his one miss came from just 32 yards on Saturday against Baltimore veteran Greg Joseph is the team's kicker for now in other moves the team cut the two quarterbacks Sean Clifford and Michael Pratt that battled this off season to be Jordan Love's backup that move comes the day after the team traded for Tennessee quarterback Malik Willis meanwhile running back AJ Dylan who's got a neck injury placed on the season ending injur reserve the same goes for tight end Tyler Davis he has a shoulder injury Packers will open the season a week from Friday in Brazil against the Eagles meanwhile Wisconsin just three days out from their season opener against Western Michigan badgers have won every non-conference home opener dating back to 1996 they are 23 and a half Point favorites on the Broncos could be the first time the teams have met since the 2016 cotton bow a win for the Badgers kick on Friday is slated for 8:00 [Music] Insurance keeping Wisconsin strong when a company only does business in Wisconsin that's Wisconsin strong rural Mutual provides all lines of insurance including commercial Farm home and auto and your premiums stay right here to keep Wisconsin strong local agents local Underwriters local claims [Music] adjusters well the Brewers are back at it tonight as they with a series against the Giants at American Family field Milwaukee does so holding the only double- digigit division lead in the majors right now with a 10-game advantage on the Cubs with this Wisconsin Sport Zone Network update I'm Zach hyle PR it's a unique deal in regards to the timing of our game being that it's on a Friday they'll be off Sunday Monday Tuesday and then we'll bring them back in Wednesday and we'll get together this is where Wisconsin gathers to talk sports Packers boers Badgers bucks the wisco sports show is on the air now here's your host Grant bills I feel so alive this week I think I first hinted at this last Friday I think going into this last week and I said it really feels like football again like it feels like it's back it feels like it's legit you know what I mean and I I don't know if it was the joint practices with the Ravens I think that was part of it I don't know if it's just straight up proximity like we're just closer we're now within that twoe window when the Packers are actually going to open up their season I I don't know I'm sure it's a combination of a lot of things it's starting to feel real and you know you know most of you are rolling your eyes you know so much how much I love to talk Brewers but we get to a certain point in the summer we kind of get the team figured out we got Murphy figured out we kind of know who these guys are and we're just watching and enjoying games we start to cool off a little bit God it just feels great to talk about about some some sports topics that really get get our goat get us going and get the phones moving like I feel alive the last two days the Malik Willis trade last night now a couple of roster cuts that are I don't know if surprising is the word but Andre Carlson is an impactful roster cut and I think it it leaves me with bigger questions about rich bace and how he's operating his unit and then the Packers today they release Anthony Johnson Jr instead of Zay Anderson it's like so we're going to continue to feed Rich bace special teams resour es and not really see great results like I think Anthony Johnson Jr is better and he's performed at a higher level and performed more consistently than Zayn Anderson but we gotta keep Zay Anderson for special teams okay I say this without any without any factious how much help does Rich bachia need before we actually start to see results on that side of the ball it'd be one thing if the punt and kick game was me but he could develop a kicker but he couldn't Andrew Carlson showed no improvement from last year to this year if he had he'd be on the team he didn't need to be amazing to make this team he just needed to be slightly better than last year and Rich Basia the million-dollar man couldn't get him there right some actual breaking news give me 60 seconds then we'll get back to the calls uh some significant running back news today AJ Dylan has been placed on IR with no designation to return his season's done it's done and you know if I was a real knob I could be like will he ever take a snap for the Packers again scratch that will he ever play NFL football again I don't know it's not a conversation to have today but he is not a reasonable option he's not a possible option to talk about as a Packers running back this year set him to the side Marshon Lloyd however is healthy enough to avoid an ilil stint or an IR stint to start the year even designated to return so the Packers we can assume believe he'll be back any time but probably before that four-week Mark otherwise they would have put him on IR designated to return and then they could have bought another roster spot for somebody else in the meantime right that's significant the fact that Marshon Lloyd is going to be ready to go at some point before for a month down the road before week four that's important that's meaningful especially now with AJ Dylan season ending so right now it's Josh Jacobs marshan Lloyd at some point sooner rather than later and Emanuel Wilson who made the roster and if he just takes little bit of improvement from last year to this year I think the Back Field is better but in order for for me to feel a lot better about the backfield this year relative to last year Marshon lyd is gonna have to get healthy and perform the way you'd expect a third round pick running back to perform all right back to the call 608 321 1670 whis Sports show who's hey grant that was a good running back breakdown I really appreciate you know what thank you Madden crossplains I tried to be efficient because I can see you guys sitting on hold and I just don't want to make you wait I thought you were gonna break some other news but that's that's okay I knew that news so it wasn't that much breaking but yeah um I was just I was just happy to hear Zack hren mention my second place cups 10 games behind the Brewers now uh did he mention I didn't catch that and yeah yeah of course yeah I tried to make ebo do it as well but he he he refused to do it I think so but that's okay uh speaking of the Packers yeah this whole quarterback thing is crazy to me like you know but I think uh uh Pratt right Pratt he's gonna make the practice squad obviously and uh Cliff I don't know anybody will pick him up no I don't I think Clifford and Pratt will both be there to add to the practice squad I don't think any other team's tripping Head Over Heels to get either guy yeah so you know who knows what what will happen with that in regards so they might just let Clifford go maybe making him like a quality offensive assist coach because that's what he's good at right he's not good at quarterback he's just he's good at coaching people up right it's shocking he was so good in college I can't believe it hasn't translated anyway yeah so I don't know about the running back situation and the kicker like I mean I like our running backs and I don't know if Joseph is gonna be the the deal this seems like it's going to be a one-week tryy out for him in Brazil and if he he doesn't miss or whatever has a good game then he's going to carry over into the season otherwise we're going to have to grab somebody off the the Heap uh you know during the season I think so you think this is going to be week to week huh well that's what it feels like that's what a feel I guess we don't really have evidence to believe otherwise you know what I mean it's I I don't I don't think they they didn't want to move off of Anders Carlson if the Packers had their brothers Anders Carlson would be the kicker week one and he would have improved a little bit from last year and we wouldn't need to be doing any of this it's not like Greg Joseph came in and took this kicker battle by the choke hold Matt like he was just he was bad too relatively bad yeah just you know like I'll keep saying I just I don't understand moving on for Mason Crosby except not wanting to pay him and older he's old he's not older he's old he can't kick anymore at a high level yeah well I don't know about that I think the last year he kicked for us he kicked okay I don't remember two years ago and then he kicked for the Giants last year and he couldn't do it anymore yeah yeah I didn't watch enough Giants games I guess to see what he hit or missed so anyway well maybe they'll find somebody like a max zenas if you remember you probably don't remember him but uh he turned out to be a pretty good kicker they got off the scrap Heap one here as well so when was that like 87 oh my gosh in the 80s 80s Jesus why would I know that who's that for mat and crossplay that's one of my favorite quotes from vep that that's also something that very few people will understand so now I'm I'm doing what I'm you know chapping your ass for doing like I like to think of you as a packer historian so you you look at the record books and stuff and you know he watched the all 22 you know about Chris Jackie and well I know about Chris Jackie not for anything he did on the field I just I notice his presence on social media these days big big year for him it's an election year so he's all over the place yeah yeah that that's one of the only Packers uh that I have an autograph of I got his autograph along long time ago and he was cut short of uh tying or breaking Paul horning scoring record that uh you know they let Mason CR so back in the day he fell three points short anyway speaking of hisi take on that and I'm I'm I'm as pumped and full of life as you are because the Cubs won 18 to8 yesterday got Badger football coming up this Friday so that's exciting and then I will be up in the Crosse for the October best show that Evil's putting on oh you'll be there I'll be there so I'll see you there Matt that'll be fun indeed that is the plan I'm uh up there Thursday night gonna spend the night and then hang out with you guys on Friday morning then head back to Madison I'm gonna be there Thursday night as well that's mat and crossplains everybody I Thursday night could be dangerous could be dangerous I want to get Emo to come tool around the CR but he's got to get up early that's the problem that's the problem so I don't know we we have yet to figure out all the the moving parts for October Fest but I look forward to that thank you for the the call M crossplains I'm not a historian I am a shareholder I'm an owner so I guess that burden is mine to carry I don't know that I do a great job carrying it 608 3211 1670 one more call and I'll give you some more of my thoughts whis Sports show who's this eric99 eric99 good evening you son of a gun how you doing I'm doing really good so I don't know about I don't know about this Greg Joseph I I never had any confidence and I don't believe even Zack hren said in his update that he's the kicker for now I love I love how we're all reacting to Zach's update right but it is everybody's like well we think he's the kicker and we felt the same way last year when he was our kicker we think he's the kicker he made some kicks for you guys I I don't remember Greg Joseph being liability when he was on the Vikings well listen if the whole team is going down the toilet the kicker is the last guy to worry about sure sure yeah sure sure sure I mean this is what I remember and I watch it and I I kind of hope it goes this way for you too you're gonna be watching a game all right you're gonna be intensely watching because you're driving for a touchdown you're gonna score the touchdown and you're going to go to the bathroom because it's going to be a commercial break and you're G and you're going to figure out the touchdowns are only six points and you're going like wait what what happened yeah that's it's you you paint a very clear picture football fans all over the country go through this every Sunday this is actually a great Point by right it is and that I just don't know so but we're a little bit uh in Minnesota we're a little bit gun shy on our kickers you know this new guy we got he's he's looking pretty good I think but you're right you know and the whole the whole city of West B Wisconsin is sad that Carls and Carlson's gone because he's probably the only Norwegian in the whole NFL that's true representation matters you know what I mean Eric that's a good that's a good point right every time he kicked the field goal everybody wave their little Norwegian flags and it was It was kind of neat in a way so and I really wish Bart L Winkler would take the ear to listen to him some more I like him you're not out on I90 at 900m I am not you're you're probably asleep by then you you get up early you're working I am sound asleep when he comes in uh he's got some really good points I really like oh I have to make issue here with now was the Tony from Texas and saying he thought that thought that bu was trying to get Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones um who said that Tony did I I thought his point was do you think mentally Brian gin was like well maybe we could have them both I don't know that that was his number one plan but I I bet maybe in the back of his mind he's like well maybe Jones takes a pay cut M maybe I I could I could see Tony's point I think it's a long shot but you can see his point a little bit right if he wanted to do that I mean I'm just giving I'm just factoring in what Aaron Jones took to leave the Packers that would have been Pennies on the dollar I mean you wouldn't have short changed them if that's really what you wanted to do if been an extra million dollars that's nothing sure sure sure it does seem I don't think that and I and that's fine Eric and that's I'm glad you brought that back up because that was an interesting point I appreciate the call I think the Packers did with Aaron Jones what they've done with a lot of players where it's like we're prepared to move on from you emotionally mentally spiritually and also we have pieces in place we have picks that we're going to make we have players that we're going to sign we're ready we're not even really worried about the money we're just we're ready to go in another Direction and I think we saw that with Jordy and we because so many of the Packers have come out and it's like well if they had just made me a a reasonable offer I would have been back but I I don't think the Packers wanted him back that's the thing it wasn't about money it was the the plan the steps that we've put in place no longer include you it's not about the money we are moving in a different direction and I think that's probably what happened with Aaron Jones probably but Tony's point was an interesting one I like interesting points it's at least exercise and here we are talking about Eric all right another call 608 3211 1670 wisco Sports show who's this uh this is Gordon thec Crosse Gordon hey two days in a row what's up Gordo uh I was just gonna say that I think that g or hre Carlson has better upside than Greg Joseph so if you look at their stats their career stats obviously andersson's only had one year but Greg Joseph his career percentage is 80% um honors Carlson last year was 81.8 I believe last year Greg Joseph was 80% Greg Joseph I believe missed four or five extra points and so did Anders Carlson um overall their stats are about the same I just think honors Carlson has better upside because he's a rookie and he still has time to develop so I think cutting someone that you already know he's an 80% kicker he's going to miss some extra points his 40 to 50 is about the same as Anders Carlson's like I don't know what we're doing I don't know why like we're not getting better at the kicker position in my opinion we're getting a lot worse so or or let me a lot worse no no no no no I was going to say let me they're staying the same but also minimizing future upside I think that's the point you're making right yeah and kind of minimizing I guess downside to a certain degree because you already know what you have with Joseph 80% kicker he can make a kick if you need it but I mean he could also be like Carlson and miss a kick when you really need it this is probably and Goron I I see what you're saying and I'll I'll continue to go down this road with you and I appreciate the call this is probably a floor raising ceiling lowering move ceiling maintaining what they did was they got a little sturdier with Greg Joseph I think the Packers believe that Greg Joseph can hit a 31 yder like they think they can count on him for the gimmies and the extra points now maybe he's not going to turn into the franchise kicker for the next 15 years and maybe Carlson had that in him I kind of doubt it but I'm not willing to close the door to that but the Packers needed a guy we need someone we can trust more this year even if we think you know we probably Greg Joseph probably is going to be the the kicker of the future the longtime kicker of the future for this team right so raising the floor probably minimizing the ceiling a little bit and giving up on the idea of finding your Forever kicker or you know in the terms of you know this a Packers football they're forever kicker does that make sense 608 321 [Music] 1670 roing Rick texts in he says thinking Brock P was a backup they were pretty fine uh we just talking about backup quarterback yeah I I suppose the yeah I rocket Rick I see your point I just I don't know how that I don't know what I can do with that I don't know how I can add when we were talking about you know Sean Clifford Michael Pratt okay so they they found a quarterback that's a backup in the draft it can be done I'm I'm just talking more about the way the Packers do business and you know whether it is really what we think it is so I I appreciate the chime in it's not a relevant but I also can't do much with it but thank you for the Tex Rock and Rick Bobby in monomon says am I the only one who loved the 2013 season my favorite out of 2010 and 2011 is that the backup year yeah you're probably the only one who loved it was that the Matt Flynn senica Wallace I don't even know yeah you're the only one who loved it let me answer your question right there you're the only one Rick from Spencer says Hey Grant Peter Bowski gave you some props this morning on lock on Packers that's I feel bad because I texted him yesterday and told him specifically to kiss my ass because Harland Arrowhead beat his Alma Moder in football on Friday it's not my alma Moder it's just it's where I live it's the it's the team that I live closest to and it beat Pete's team so I texted him that and said kiss my ass Pete and he didn't answer so I now I feel bad I now I gotta go listen thank you for sharing that Rick damn it now I oh now I feel bad I did I did tell him that I did whoops all right con roller says our head football coach literally said he prays every time Andre Carlson went out there no one should feel bad yeah look con I'm with you I'm guilty of it too I'm guilty of thinking but he could turn into this and if you actually look at Mason Crosby's numbers he hit 80% it's it stop stop stop stop stop set all of that to the side can you send him out there to kick a 31 Y and trust that he's going to make it no discussion's over can't be the kicker I'm not saying it's ideal I'm not saying I love Greg Joseph I'm not saying I I don't like going into the season with uncertainty a kicker put everything else to the side you have a kicker that you cannot trust to hit an extra point that's not okay so cone roller to your point yes I think this is not a complicated conversation if you have to pray when your kicker goes out there he can't be your kicker thank you for adding that that's good maton chip will Falls and then we'll take a break says let goody cook with kicker follow up uh tell me more Matt I'm curious 83211 1670 more of your thoughts more of my thoughts too I'm the host I should probably say a couple of things on the Packers roster cutdowns wisco Sports show back after this this is the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sports Zone radio network the wisco sports show will resume in three minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sports show will resume in two minutes [Music] the wisco sport show will in one [Music] [Music] minute the whis sport show will res in 30 seconds [Music] [Music] it's the wisco sports show we have so many different Packers things to react to started last night the Malik Willis trade I felt something for the first time in forever getting fired up getting stirred up I felt moved over a Packers conversation we've been excited for the Packers all summer right wow look at all the talent they have a wide receiver look at the tight ends Jordan love extension but I mean now it's it's really starting to feel real we finally got a couple things over the last few days to really sink our teeth into the Malik Willis trade The Cutting of Andre Carlson and a couple of the other roster decisions as well that we can get into I don't know that there were any Shockers you may feel differently and if so please 608 32167 call or text can tweet at me at whis Grant 2 the live stream is up Twitter Facebook YouTube everything's working good today so you can comment on there maybe you were surprised by one of the decisions that Brian gin made today I was not I was watching Christian Welch I was watching Grant Dubose I thought maybe maybe I thought maybe Grant Dubose if they want to keep seven wide receivers could be an option I don't think it's ever a good idea to keep seven wide receivers but they could have done that I I think because they have a couple of tight ends they really like they were less likely than normal and it's it's never likely to keep seven it's only happened a time or two in recent history and I don't think they've ever kept seven under gy I think they did once under Ted not that long ago with Mike McCarthy but that was the outlier but Grant Duos is the prototypical Packers wide receiver strength size blocking all the things that they look for B Melton isn't so I thought maybe just maybe it was a long shot but I thought maybe I think Grant Dubose is a candidate to be back on the practice squad same with Welch he showed real medal on defense and on special teams in the preseason long shot to make the roster but I thought maybe Anthony Johnson Jr is one that Packers people seemed shocked by they they seemed genuinely shocked that Anthony Johnson Jr didn't make the roster and Zayn Anderson did I don't mean to be all anti-r Basia today although I think he deserves some heat this seems like a move and and a roster Choice made with special teams in mind and I don't think that's inherently a bad thing the fifth safety on the roster should be able to do more than play safety that should be a player that contributes on special teams don't get me wrong it's just I spent an hour hosting for Bill earlier today talking about how Anders Carlson has been cut and Rich Basia in my opinion the multi-million dollar man should have been able to do a little bit more with a kicker that was described that was his guy now I don't know that he banged the table to Brian Gins to say draft this guy he's the guy that I want but there was a connection there they knew each other the families had a like that was a that was a partnership that was a marriage that should have worked because the experience was there but also because rich bace is supposed to be really good at this as a special team's mind and as a special team's coordinator and Andre Carlson got no better last year to this year and I was saying earlier on Bill's show it's like well this guy's making all this money he was supposed to be the answer and I still don't think the special teams are that good and it's not because the Packers haven't dedicated resources to his units they have they've picked guys with the with the idea of special teams in the back of their mind right I see it every year during the draft like there's a rich bace a player there's a special teams right they have made roster decisions keeping one guy over another with Rich bace special teams in mind and then hours later I I'm just looking at the evidence trying to draw my own conclusions how can you look at Zayn Anderson over Anthony Johnson Jr and not say that's for special teams that's for Rich baceo right so it just furthers my point the Packers have given Rich bace you the keys to the car they've dedicated resources to his units they've given him players resigned players and brought in free agents to help out on his units they got the kicker that he wanted they brought in his guy and none of it has been that great in fact the kicker was a catastrophe and if that kicker who was probably a developmental project from the start because he wasn't that good in college and by not good there were others who were better especially for drafting a kicker in the fifth round if he would have gotten 15% better from last year to this year he'd be on the roster he'd be the kicker the Packers didn't need him to become the the best kicker in football they needed him to become a little more consistent and reliable on the Gimme field goals and he didn't so not to quote the cliche line from Office Space but Rich bace what does he do here I know he's the assistant head coach and I think his voice carries weight in the locker room I I think he's a leader and I think he's a coach but his job description the reason he was brought in was to coordinate the Special Teams and he has taken them from a place where they're not a disaster anymore although that took a little longer than I think it should have but they're not great I don't know that they're a strength of this team they're just not the the gaping catastrophe that they were in the final year under Mo Drayton which was it Mo Drayton sha manenga Mo Drayton was an he was an internal hairer I still can't believe that they did that special teams were awesome so they caned the guy who was running him and promoted someone who was already there how does that make sense special teams just it shouldn't be that hard to get right it shouldn't be that shouldn't be that hard to get right it shouldn't be that hard to get right it shouldn't be that hard to get right I don't need RIS bace to turn Andress Carlson into do an awesome kicker I'd like to see him show that he can develop him a little bit but even if he can't develop the kicker okay I want the punting and the punt coverage and the kicking and the kick coverage to be great and those really also aren't all that great so what is he getting paid for this text from the 715 says Packers have had better success choosing three straight quarterbacks than they've had two straight kickers yeah I tweeted that on uh yesterday yesterday afternoon during Bill's show I said watch I'll tweet this I've seen this tweeted 100 times I'll tweet it and it'll blow up she said Twitter Packers Twitter it'll eat this up even though I've seen it a hundred times I tweeted and I want to make sure I read it correctly simply amazing that the Packers had a harder time replacing Mason Crosby than they did replacing Aaron Rogers and I sit on the air before I tweeted I said I'm gonna tweet this to make a point this is loow hanging fruit Packers Twitter will eat it up it had a th000 likes in less than an hour and now it has 4,900 likes it'll be up to 5 by the end of the day Packers Twitter it's too easy respectfully cone roller one more text then we'll get to a phone call says the show is cooking today you could feel yeah it is you can feel football is back I said at the beginning I said at four o'clock strap in this is going to be a good one 608 321 1670 whis go sports show who's this Mike and oair Mike and oakair hey Mike it's football season so that means Mike and oair is back it's time it's time I but even I'll just squash the kicker debate about Crosby in his 80% they sent him out there to kick 55 to 65 yard field goals how many times over his career he made a lot of them but those are where those are his misses his misses aren't 30 yard field goals rarely does he miss a 30 yard field goal who are you talking who are you talking about now just to make sure I have you I'm following Crosby okay okay okay Crosby Crosby continue okay gotcha so because you said there's an argument on I'm not on Twitter so I don't see the argument good for you but you were saying about how PE people were saying how he's Crosby kicked 80% so why is Carlson so bad at 80% it that's the difference I was talking about most of Crosby's misses were from long range yeah super long range a lot of them were man Mike I don't need I don't need Carlson's percentage from last year I watched all the games I don't even know what the number is I know he wasn't good you know what I mean like we don't need to over complicate this we don't need to nerd this up for no reason no it's hard to find a vineries don't come around every day that's you know the Justin Tuckers that's why those teams pay those guys $5 million a year for a kicker yeah that's rare it is so there's only there's only a handful of teams that have a solid kicker like that so what are we going to do do we go with Greg Joseph is is he the guy I don't really want to go week by week with kicker like I I don't know I'm not saying we he's the guy for the whole year but God I don't like the idea of going week to week I think they still just like we picked up Malik Willis I they might pick up a kicker sure I would think that they should I'm I've I used to kick so I've actually like kickers more than most people you have a soft spot for them yeah I do I feel their pain but interesting they got to do better than Joseph I would have rather him seeing give Carl I don't know I don't know if flip a coin between Carlson and Joseph they need something better than that I don't want to come down to the NFC Championship Game and have it come down to a kick Jesus that would suck you know that's what that's I don't want that to happen but hopefully our offense and defense is good enough it doesn't come down to a kick well that's the idea right yep that's what we're going to do that's the plan that's the thought okay Mike it is time he's back I think Mike up at o'clair for that one I appreciate it I think that was Gordon's Point Mike I think I think you're with Gordon and Lacrosse it's like well if they're both the same why not take the guy with possibly a little upside and I I don't disagree I think that's a fine line of thinking it's just I trust I trust Greg Joseph more to hit the 30 yard than do Andre Carl and I think maybe that's what it came down to it's like he these guys seem like they're horse a piece but I kind of for the most part trust Greg Joseph to hit the gimmies you can't trust Anders Carlson to hit the gims we saw it on Saturday it was just such a stark reminder it was just felt like a kick to the teeth watching him miss that kick Matt and chiple falls on the topic of goody cooking says I feel like goody has a plan releasing some of his draft picks just after a year or so Ted wouldn't have cut them I don't know about that I feel like they don't want to waste Jordan's Prime like like how they kind of wasted [Music] Rogers I don't know it's nice in in spirit I don't know if it's I don't know if it's true or false in in actual application Kye Mike says okay if you got a few seconds before you sign off uh if you got a few seconds before sign off if not no biggie how about the Brewers what do you think about San Francisco 30 seconds on that and then we're gonna get to another call I think the Brewers are so much better at home I think the atmosphere to American Family field for the rest of the home games this year is going to be awesome and I'm going to hopefully get to a couple more games either in the Press Box or as a fan I think the I think the crowds I think the environment at amfam is going to be awesome and I think that does make a huge difference for this Brewers team Logan Webb tonight should be a great listus test be lmas test litmas test because if the Brewers come out and shell Logan Webb tonight I think that's just a further Testament to the crowd the environment there the way that the Brewers play off of that crowd and the way that they've been rolling really since they got out of that slump in July so there's your 32nd uh Brewer well half Brewer minute I guess 302 for a minute that would be uh that' be contradictory thank you coyote Mike one more call then let's take our break 608 3211 1670 whco Sports show who's this it's big Ron big Ron Hey Big Ron I saw I talked about this last week before I went but you invited me to a happy hour last Friday night and I got to see you that was a blast and a half thank you again for that thanks so much for coming man are you back out on the East Coast or are you still in Milwaukee are you still in the good land no I'm back I came back uh Sunday so I'm back I'm back in Jersey um and you know I'm I'm sad because after that rant I think I might have to return my rich bace Jersey you have a well okay I know what you mean I I just last couple years like what the okay the Special Teams aren't garbage we got that going for us but I don't think that that should take the number one paid special teams coordinator in the league to do you know what I mean exactly exactly and a lot of its talent I mean Nixon is a good returner right yeah um yeah so but hey your your texter that wanted some Brewers talk is going to get get a little bit here um I'm excited for this um series um against the Giants and you know if this if the season were to end right now we'd be the three seed and we'd have to play the Braves but we get them at home though for three games in the three- game series all game three games would be at home but it's you know we need some help from uh the Dodgers play the Orioles tonight we need the Orioles are a good team we need the Orioles to step up and you know take a couple from the Dodgers here I'm going to check if Burns is going in this series or not let me look at the probables because I'll pay attention yeah we need some help from our old friend Corbin Burns yeah we do let's see here uh Burns is on the mound tomorrow night versus Walker buer oh this should be this should be a I'm gonna watch some of this series and it's great because they're late night games so when the Brewer games are done I'll just be able to throw these games on on a legal totally aboveboard streaming service that I pay for there will be no legal streaming involved trust me if any anyone's listening absolutely all right grant um I'm out dude have a have a have a good night all right take care you as well take care big Ron and again it was nice to see you last Friday I know I uh I was able to catch you and your lovely wife when you were in Madison last summer I'm sure it was around this time of year when you're getting ready I I know Big Ron's got a got a son or a daughter at school at uh at W Madison so he was in town it was nice to see him uh I just I I don't know thank you for the invite that was a fun happy hour last week yeah with you I'll watch some of that I'll watch some of that series Baltimore Los Angeles this week that's going to rip Corbin Burns Walker bu tomorrow night hell yeah hell yeah tonight Jack flare and that's on ESPN plus so I which I don't pay for but if I did I could I could if I paid for it uh but I don't let's take a five minute break we'll come back continue the Packers discussion and maybe bring the Brewers into it a little bit as they pick up their series again tonight or or start their series back at home against the uh the Giants so that's worth talking about as well two more segments plenty to go still it's the whis sports show don't go anywhere this is the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sport Zone radio [Music] network the Disco sport show will resume in 5 minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sport show will resume in four minutes [Music] he [Music] the wisco sports show will resume in three minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the whis sports show will resume in minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] y [Music] [Music] the whis sport show will resume in one minute [Music] the wisco sport show will resume in 30 seconds [Music] [Music] [Music] whco Sports show appreciate everyone listening tonight it feels like the show we took a step tonight we can really feel football returning we're fired up in a way that we haven't been since man I don't even know last time the Cubs were in Milwaukee the Brewers I love talking about the Brewers you know this I probably love talking about the Brewers a little too much for being honest but this time of year we kind of know who the Brewers are we know Pat Murphy there's not much left to discover we're just watching games and reacting to games and that's great but that only moves the needle so much right these Packer transactions last 24 hours inject them into my veins the trade for Malik Willis such an inconsequential little thing it's a seventh round pick for a developmental quarterback that wasn't getting an opportunity is probably not any good and yet we were reacting to it like my God I don't even know something important I don't I don't know we we reacted strongly okay let's put it that way and then today Andre Carl being released this morning talking about that and I man I just I've been underwhelmed with Rich Basia and I think today is the day where I finally comfortable saying he's making a lot of money the expectations were high and I know he provides a lot of utility to the team in other ways but he was hired as a special teams coordinator okay if you're not going to manufacture some awesome plays on kickoffs and punts fine but then can you can you improve a kicker right like you need to have you need to show me tangible results somewhere and some people on Twitter were giving me the business when I was tweeting about rich bace earlier today and they're like well remember how bad the special teams were before Rich bace got here it's like oh okay so if I get hired at my job and I replace someone who showed up to work one day a week and then I show up to work three days a week and my boss is like hey man you're paid for 5 days 40 hours a week well remember the guy before me yeah but that's not really the point so if you want to talk Andre Carlson Rich bachia if you want to talk Malik Willis who was acquired last night or any other roster cuts the Anthony Johnson Jr cut was little surprising zann Anderson kept instead I assume for Rich bace special teams Welch just on the bubble he was left out Grant Duos just on the bubble left out I would assume those two were probably Prime candidates for the practice squad as is either Michael Bratt and or Sean Clifford maybe both of them we'll see 608 3211 1670 whco Sports show who's this Alex Stop hey it's Grant it's Mike uh Uncle Packer Uncle Packer yeah kind of quick I thought I wait longer no not today we're whipping through callers today wow that's awesome hey I was at that pack for preseason game I was a little dishearted that we didn't have any starters planned every year it changes a little bit you know it used to be the third game you saw starters last year I saw starters but uh it was still cool it's still Lambo you know yeah we were fishing up on Lake Michigan and took that Saturday morning to go down there it was a great experience it was my grandson's first game and you got all the we they were all out you know before practice we all I mean before the game started we got to see van n right up close and everybody big dude isn't he yeah he's a big guy goodl looking guy though handsome yeah yeah they call him Hercules in college yeah um rousan Gary waved at him you know that was pretty cool it was his birthday too so it was it was a great experience for his 12 bir day so it was it was well worth it we caught some Walley on Lake and some big drum which fight wow it was like catching a musty for him you know sheep head we had a great weekend um yeah drum I don't know what I don't know they're big ugly fish yeah they are they look they look stupid as hell too don't they a ton of these little ugly white PS but you and he kep me catching fish you know it's awesome it was a great weekend we got all four seasons on Lake Michigan in a couple days you know it was uh yeah no it was nice to be out there no kidding where did you fish out of on the Lake Michigan shore I am I'm close to this side of the state for the first time in forever so now I'm I'm trying to figure trying to find some tributaries some spots to fish along Lake Michigan this fall I haven't even gotten started you have any Wrecks for me we went out of tto okay and out of mile or so you find a uh just you know yet my brother Jim talk me this you go out and look for boats go out and R figure out what they're doing a cut a fish by them that's what we've been doing for the last nine T years and uh we figured out you got a troll with worm harnesses and uh yeah every once in a while you'll see your pole take off you troll with some uh it's just just stuff you learn uh there was a lot of musky Fishers up there my bad um this yeah it's uh it's great it's just a beautiful Wisconsin trying I'm trying to figure out and Uncle Packer I I appreciate that we just I got jammed phone lines tonight and I want to make sure I get a chance to get to everyone I'm trying to find a river I like fishing steel head I'm trying to find a river a Lake Michigan tributary I could go like Al Gom is so far from me like if I say two minutes or two minutes two hours like that can get me to about Mana to Walker a little bit farther is there anything south of T Rivers between to rivers and Milwaukee I just want to fly fish for some steel head this fall I'm not a I'm not a man of I don't ask for a lot I don't even need a boat Port Washington I've never the water never seems big enough there turns into a creek after like 100 yards in from the harbor anyways continue Packers talk 608 3211 1670 whco Sports show who's this Grant Mike and Portage Mike and Portage you son of a gun you were on the live stream saying well I don't want to give my take today because I don't want to repeat something that's already been said Mike only you can deliver your takes the way that you deliver your takes fire away what do you got all right first of all the mustache is looking for forti tonight well thank you're yours as well yours as well so I I make it quick kicking battle I think it was the right decision going with Joseph over Carlton and it comes down to this the the mental preparation by Joseph he's got the experience in the in the big games in the clutch moments and he also seems like a guy that once he makes a a bad kick he'll get over it and get ready for the next one Carlson he's so scatter brain and he it seems to me like when you watch him after he missed the kick he's down on himself on the sideline so experience was what they went with and it was the right call second part Chris uh so well I think he's going to be a uh he's going to be a good player he's going to they're going to sign to the practice squad hopefully hopefully clears wers makes the practice squad and he should work his way back into the roster and I think it's only uh this an unlimited ceiling going in you know going into his career so think I like I've seen out of that guy and I expect big things coming out out of them so I think so too I think those are good takes the the your point on the kicking battle Mike I appreciate it I look forward to hearing on over the line this morning or tomorrow morning too I the mental battle is is or the mental part of this is probably a good idea like Greg Joseph has gone through ups and downs as a kicker he's had good years he's had bad years he knows what it's like to prepare for a game and be under the gun so that that's part of it too right we always talk about the devil you know the devil you don't know and the devil you know has been described as Anders Carlson but we also have a bigger sample size as a pro with Greg Joseph so is Greg Joseph the devil we don't know that really there are two Devils that we know and I think the Packers just liked the information that they knew about Greg Joseph a little bit more one more caller then we'll take our final break 608 321 1670 whco Sports show who's this Ridge Runner Mark how we doing Ridge Runner Mark it's been forever I'm doing good how about you good good work is crazy I work a slightly different ship so a lot of times I don't get uh time to call in by the time I'm in my car it's around this time so I just laugh to luck out um Packer take wide receivers I don't know who we all took kept and didn't keep which is fine but my my take or my question is if the Packers are successful will it be because we had a true quote unquote number one wide receiver or a guy who did a thousand yards and however many touchdowns or more what we saw last year where every week it was another guy stepping up and doing awesome and it was a different guy every week I I'm just curious to see to hear what you have to say on that concept which would be preferred which would lead to more success well I think for this team what would lead to more success is is the ladder because do you have a guy like if they tried to make Christian Watson the number one guy and they tried to get him over a thousand yards I don't I don't know that that would work real well you know what I mean that's not to say that I don't think Christian Watson has you know no chance at being an elite number one wide receiver one day he might I just I don't think they should view any of these guys like that I think it'll be better for attacking certain matchups and certain looks if if they just kind of let the ball go where it's naturally going to go and and they all have different none of them are like what you know use a baseball term five tool player like you know Christian Wasington take the top off a defense he can get jump balls and he's got speed but can he is he really a clean route Runner can can he go across the middle and makes and make people Miss dos probably can do that but he's not taking the top off and he's maybe not as tall so you go back and forth with all these wide receivers and none of them are 100% they can do everything and want to feed them the ball as much as possible they all have their Niche and just you know depending on the weak in the defense one of them is GNA probably shine a little bit more I think I completely and totally agree I think that's an excellent take I agree I I just gotta go Ridge Runner Mark I gota get my final break in we'll talk more hopefully throughout the football season I'm sorry to hear about your work schedule I can't imagine your nine to5 and the thing that you used to put food on the table and get insurance and such taking precedent over calling a sports stock radio show but to your your your life choices Rich Runner Mark okay you do you do what you think is best for you and your family no I I don't think there is a number one wide receiver on this team I think they're all really really good maybe Watson develops into that maybe do maybe one of those guys maybe Wix turns into that but right now at this moment in time I don't think that guy exists so trying to force one of those guys to to play that role I I just I I don't think that would be worthwhile I don't think that's smart I don't think that's what's best let's put it that way let's take one final break three minutes we'll wrap up the whis sports show next this is the the wisco sports show with Grant bills on the Wisconsin Sport Zone radio [Music] network the wisco sports show will resume in 3 minutes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] the Risco Sports show will resume in two minutes [Music] he [Music] the wisco sports show will resume in one minute [Music] [Music] the whis sports show will resume in 30 seconds [Music] sh [Music] [Music] wisco Sports show final segment I don't have much to say let's do the Brewer game tonight I think we covered just about every square inch of ground we could have possibly covered pack cutdowns today and Le Willis trade and with under Carlson or Rich bace and all that ja so if you missed it I think this show and I said this at four o'clock I said this gonna be a great show right I don't just say that to say that feel it feel it in the airight I could so if you miss that highly recommend the podcast you can go back and watch the stream as well Bart Winkler was excellent the infinity Sports Network you hear him 9 to1 week nights central time and you can listen to his podcast into the Winkler verse as well which I believe I'm on tomorrow we haven't discussed yet but I I think we normally do that on Wednesdays the Brewers lineup is out I just have one question and I I texted our friend Kurt about this who was on the show last night Kurt hog of the Journal Sentinel and I told Curtis like look I'm I'm not texting you just to text you I'm I'm genuinely curious both Reese Hoskins and Jake Bowers are in the lineup and I don't understand that when they're both in the lineup why Jake Bowers is the one excuse me to DH and reys Hoskins is the one to play first I just don't understand why if you have the option in one game to put Jake Bowers at first defensively or to put ree Hoskins there and both are in the lineup already it's not a lineup Choice it's a positioning choice I don't understand why he does this he's done this a couple of times he's done this throughout the summer I don't know why the lineup is terang Cho Contreras Bowers a cleanup adamus five I like adamus in the five hole I want to keep him there if I guess tonight putting Jake Bowers in the three hole is what's required then I guess that's that's the debt that all men pay Centerfield Blake Perkins first base ree Hoskins free lick and Wright Ortiz at third Tobias Meers is starting against Logan Webb I'm interested to see the crowd tonight I'm interested to hear it on my TV what it sounds like what it looks like because I think home games in American Family field the rest of the year are going to be Rowdy they're gonna be Lively and I think the team feeds off that they've talked about it explicitly openly Freddy peralt has talked about it pat Murphy's talked about it so normally going into a game against Logan Webb I wouldn't feel great about the Brewers chances but they're coming off an off day I feel like their chances might be better than normal against Logan Webb who's a pitcher that I'd normally pick to go like six or seven scoreless against them but maybe tonight is different I think the crowd makes a big difference I really think so and I think the crowds Sam the rest of you are going to be happen think they're be really really good so I look forward to that what it looks like what it sounds like interested to see and maybe just maybe I'll get an 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