Kamala Harris, Donald Trump Presidential Debate Recap | Balance of Power 09/10/2024

>> NO HANDSHAKE AT THE END OF THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WELCOME BACK TO SPECIAL COVERAGE SIMULCAST HERE ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO. I'M KAILEY LEINZ ALONGSIDE JOE MATHIEU IN WASHINGTON. WE ALL JUST WITNESSED TOGETHER MORE THAN 90 MINUTES OF DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. IN WHICH A RANGE OF ISSUES WERE COVERED FROM THE ECONOMY AND THE BORDER TO ABORTION AND FOREIGN POLICY. THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF POLICY FOCUS IN THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, THAT WE DID SEE A TAX, FRANKLY, COMING FROM BOTH SIDES AGAINST EACH OTHER. JOE: WE SHOULD NOTE FOR OUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS, THEY DID GO INTO OVERTIME. ROUGHLY FIVE MINUTES EARLIER THAN IT DID BY THE TIME THEY GOT THE SECOND COMMERCIAL BREAK IN AND CLOSING STATEMENTS. THAT IS WHERE WE WERE HERE. MORE THAN A 90 MINUTE WRONG PIER. NO AUDIENCE, AND A RANGE OF ISSUES TO YOUR POINT. I THINK WE CAN ARGUE THAT, KAMALA HARRIS HAD DONALD TRUMP ON THE DEFENSE FROM THE START. GOT INTO THE ECONOMY, MOVED INTO ABORTION. I THINK AN ISSUE WE CAN AGREE IS FAVORABLE TO HER. AND REMARKABLE TO SEE, ABC NEWS FACT CHECKING LIVE ON A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT ISSUES, WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN BY A LOT OF NETWORKS SO FAR. KAILEY: THAT INCLUDED THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. DONALD TRUMP CLAIMING DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED, INCLUDING VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE TIM WALZ APPROVING NINE-MONTH ABORTION. ABC FACT-CHECK SAYING THERE IS NO STATE IN WHICH THAT IS LEGAL. WE GOT A FACT CHECK ON SOMETHING BE A PROPAGATED IN CERTAIN CIRCLES REGARDING THE TOWN OF SPRINGFIELD WITH MIGRANTS EATING DOGS. THEY DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER, ABC DID, NO CREDIBLE REPORTS OF PETS BEING TAKEN. WE ALSO SAW A NUMBER OF OTHER FACT-CHECKS AS WELL FROM ABC. IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM BOTH, FRANKLY, THAT WE DID WANT TO CHECK. WE HEARD ONCE AGAIN DONALD TRUMP MAKING COMMENTS AROUND THE BORDER THAT MIGRANTS AND CRIMINALS ARE BEING SENT IN. DIRECTLY TO KAMALA HARRIS. KAMALA HARRIS HERSELF SAID NO MEMBER OF THE ACTIVE-DUTY MEMBERS IN THE -- IRAQ LAUNCHED A JOINT RAID TARGETING THE ISLAMIC STATE AND WE SAW THREE SOLDIERS KILLED EARLIER THIS YEAR JOE: DONALD TRUMP TRUMP SAID, HARRIS REFUSED TO DEFUND THE POLICE -- SAID SHE HAS A PLAN TO CONFISCATE EVERYBODY'S GUN. INTERESTINGLY, KAMALA HARRIS TELLING THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, AMERICAN VOTERS THAT SHE, AS WELL AS TIM WALZ, OUR GUN OWNERS. WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE HEAR SO OFTEN. KAILEY: THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED IN HER PRIMARY CAMPAIGN IN 2019. BUT OF COURSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT CAMPAIGN. SHE WAS PRESSED ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT POLICY AND NOW SHE HAS COMPARED TO THAT. THE ISSUE OF FRACKING, WHICH SHE ADDRESSED DIRECTLY. IT TOOK PLACE IN PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA, CRITICAL SWING STATE. SHE MADE IT CLEAR SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT A BAN ON FRACKING. DAVID -- JOE: DAVID IS STANDING BY IN THE SPIN ROOM. WE WILL CONNECT AS THE NEXT PHASE OF THE OPERATION IS THE SPIN. DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ACTING AS SURROGATES FOR BOTH CAMPAIGNS. OUR FILLING THE SPIN ROOM RIGHT NOW. WHY DON'T WE JOIN DAVID. HE IS WITH MICHAEL, THE CO-CHAIR OF THE RNC. JUST MOMENTS AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THIS DEBATE. DAVID? DAVID: THANK YOU. MICHAEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU. I WANT TO START WITH GETTING HER SENSE OF HOW THAT WENT AND WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU. I KNOW THERE IS SOME FOCUS ON POLICY AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END. WHAT DID THE FORMER PRESIDENT NEED TO DO AND ARE YOU HAPPY? >> THE PRESIDENT NEEDED TO TELL AMERICA WHAT HE WOULD DO TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT AMERICANS ARE FACING RIGHT NOW, EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY IS FACING. THINGS LIKE INFLATION, THE INVASION OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER. FRANKLY, OUR STANDING IN THE WORLD. HE CAME OUT VERY CLEARLY AND SAID THAT HE IS GOING TO STOP THE SOUTHERN INVASION AT THE BORDER. HE SAID HE WILL STOP INFLATIONARY SPENDING, UNLEASH AMERICAN ENERGY AND BRING DOWN FOR AMERICAN FAMILIES HE WILL PROTECT THEM AROUND THE WORLD AND AT HOME. WE FEEL VERY GOOD THAT'S THE MESSAGE HE NEEDED TO DELIVER TONIGHT. WHAT IS YOU MAKE -- DAVID: WHAT ARE YOU MAKE OF THE WAY HE RESPONDED OF HER SAYING IT'S NOT TIME TO LOOK BACK, IT'S A WAY TO LOOK FORWARD. >> WE WANT TO LOOK FORWARD. IT'S ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THIS ELECTION CYCLE. ARE WE GOING TO BE STRONG OR ARE WE GOING TO BE WEAK. WE HAVE A STRONG SOUTHERN BORDER AND A STRONG STANDING. UNDER, HERE IS THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. DAVID: WE HEARD ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT'S TAX PLAN AND GETTING SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. WAS IF I DESIGNED THAT WE DID NOT GET SPECIFICS FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT WHEN IT CAME TO HIS TAX PLANS? HE WILL HAVE NO TAX ON SOCIAL SECURITY. WHAT, SAID IS THAT SHE WILL LET THE TENT -- THE TRUMP TAX CUTS EXPIRE WHICH WILL BE THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE ON AMERICAN FAMILIES IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. SO WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT THE TAX POLICIES THAT SHE HAS ROLLED OUT, SHE WILL UNLEASH THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE ON AMERICANS IN EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY. DAVID: LET ME ASK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COMING DAYS AND HOW WE MOVE THINGS FORWARD HERE. YOU'RE FOCUSING ON DISTRICTS, NOT ON SWING STATES. WHAT IS THE CAMPAIGNING TO DO IN THE COMING DAYS, LESS THAN TWO MONTHS UNTIL THE ELECTION ITSELF. HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE ITS MOMENTUM GOING FORWARD? MICHAEL: WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN VOTERS. THAT'S WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID TONIGHT, HE DELIVERED A MESSAGE. HE WAS NOT THERE TO TALK ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR REBUTTALS TO KAMALA HARRIS, BUT HE WANTED TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN VOTERS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY CARE ABOUT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR THE NEXT 55 DAYS. DAVID: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT IF THERE WILL BE MORE DEBATES. DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE MORE OR ARE YOU IN FAVOR? MICHAEL: I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE KAMALA HARRIS TRY TO EXPLAIN HER POSITIONS. WHAT WE SAW TODAY, SHE WILL DOUBLE DOWN ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FAILED POLICIES THAT SHE HAS CHAMPIONED OVER THE COURSE OF HER LAST FOUR YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AS WELL AS HER TERMS IN THE SENATE. DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DOG DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN VOTERS ABOUT HIS VISION FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. IN ANY OPPORTUNITY WE HAD TO DO THAT WE WILL. DAVID: MICHAEL, THE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. BACK TO YOU IN WASHINGTON. KAILEY: BLOOMBERG'S DAVID WITH COCHAIR OF THE RNC ON THE SPIN ROOM FLOOR. IN PHILADELPHIA, THANK YOU. WE NOW HAVE THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER DEBATE. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS READY FOR A SECOND DEBATE. WE WILL HAVE TO STAY TUNED IF WE ACTUALLY DO SEE THAT IN OCTOBER. THERE IS AN OCTOBER 1 DEBATE SCHEDULED BETWEEN THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES. JOE: WE COULD FIND OURSELVES HERE AGAIN IN PRIME TIME. BRIAN FALLON FROM THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN TWEETING, THAT WAS FUN, LET'S DO IT IN OCTOBER. SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. KAILEY: THE MARKET WILL BE WATCHING, AS IT WAS WATCHING THIS DEBATE TONIGHT. SURELY, YOU ARE SEEING MOVEMENT IN THE PREDICTED BETTING ODDS OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION. OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE, THE LINE WAS GOING HIGHER FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND LOWER FOR DONALD TRUMP. RIGHT NOW PREDICTED, SHOWING 56% ODDS OF A HARRIS VICTORY, 48% ODDS OF A TRUMP ONE. THAT HAS WIDENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. WITH US FOR THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS, WATCHING THIS DEBATE ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO AS WE SIMULCAST IN REAL, RICK DAVIS AND GENIE, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT IONE UNIVERSITY AND SENIOR DEMOCRACY FELLOW AT THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF THE PRESIDENCY IN CONGRESS, OUR SIGNATURE POLITICAL PANEL. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE ODDS I WAS MENTIONING, IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A FEELING THAT, HARRIS WON THIS DEBATE. RICK: IF YOU PUT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO WAS GOING AFTER SWING VOTERS, THOSE FOLKS IN THE SUBURBS, MOSTLY WOMEN, OR THE WHITE WORKING CLASS, ESPECIALLY MALES, ELDERLY IN THE RUST BELT STATES, THEN YOU COULD HEAR HER ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THEM AND TALK TO THEM. CLEARLY WHAT TRUMPS PRATT -- STRATEGY WAS TONIGHT WAS TO FIRE UP THE BASE. HE TALKED TO HIS OWN VOTERS, HE DID NOT TALK TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INDEPENDENT OR SWING VOTER IN HIS RHETORIC. I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE MOMENTS I'M FOLLOWING FROM THE DEBATE WHERE HOW STRONG, HARRIS WAS ON NATIONAL SECURITY. IN DONALD TRUMP'S UNWILLINGNESS TO SAY HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN, WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME. TWO VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS OF AMERICA. ONE JOE: OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS FACING KAMALA HARRIS TONIGHT WAS, SHE COMPETENT, DID SHE PROJECT COMPETENCY FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW A LOT ABOUT HER? >> I THINK SHE DID. I DON'T THINK KAMALA HARRIS HAD A MOMENT WHICH IS GOING TO SAY, GO VIRAL, WHICH WE LOOK FOR IN THIS DAY AND AGE, BUT SHE PROJECTED STRENGTH, SHE PROJECTED COMPETENCE, SHE CERTAINLY IS KNOWLEDGEABLE. AND THEN THINKING, TO THE END OF THE DEBATE, DONALD TRUMP'S LINE, WHY DIDN'T SHE DO IT? THAT'S WHERE HIS TEAM WANTED HIM TO START THE DEBATE. HE WAITED UNTIL THE LAST, WHAT WERE WE AT, ONE MINUTE 110 BY THEN. WHERE PEOPLE STARTED TUNING OUT. HAD HE STARTED THERE, YOU WOULD'VE HAD A BETTER NIGHT. BUT HE HAD A TOUGH NIGHT BECAUSE HE DID NOT START THERE. SHE WAS IN CONTROL, SHE PUT THEM ON THE OFFENSIVE -- YOU PUT THEM ON THE DEFENSIVE MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE. HE DID NOT SEEM TO FIND HIS FOOTING UNTIL THE VERY END. I THINK IF WE THINK ABOUT MOMENTS THAT DEFINE A DEBATE, ONE THING THAT WILL DEFINE THIS DEBATE WILL BE HIM TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS EATING PETS. SOMETHING THAT IS CLEARLY -- JOE: SOMETHING DEBUNKED BEFORE THE DEBATE STARTED. JEANNE: IT'S THAT CHECKED AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE. THAT'S WHAT HE WENT TO AND WHERE HIS TEAM WANTED HIM TO GO. ISSUES, ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION AND THE IDEA THAT SHE IS IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW, SHE COULD BE DOING ALL THESE THINGS. I THINK IT WAS A WASTED OPPORTUNITY FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND I THINK SHE DID WHAT SHE NEEDED TO DO TO SHOW AMERICAN PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IN THE SWING STATES, THAT SHE HAS THE COMPETENCE AND THE ABILITY, AND THE STRENGTH, AND THE KNOW-HOW TO DO THIS JOB. KAILEY: THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO GO TO DONALD TRUMP INTO RESPONDING TO HER DIRECTLY. INCLUDING WHEN SHE RAISED HIS RALLIES. VP HARRIS: YOU WILL SEE DURING HIS RALLIES HE TALKS ABOUT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS LIKE HANNIBAL LECTOR, HE WILL TALK ABOUT WINDMILLS CAUSE CANCER. AND WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE IS THAT PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY, OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. MR. TRUMP: PEOPLE DON'T GO TO HER RALLIES, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO. AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO GO, SHE'S PAYING THEM TO BE THERE. KAILEY: DID DONALD TRUMP HAVE TO DO TOO MUCH DEFENDING AND RESPONDING TONIGHT. RICK: HE DID TAKE THE BAIT REPEATEDLY. USUALLY HE IS THE ONE TROLLING AND HOPING THAT HIS OPPONENT WILL TAKE THE BAIT. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY TONIGHT ON THE BEHALF OF KAMALA HARRIS. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, PEOPLE WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THIS TWO DIFFERENT VISIONS. YOU CAN PARSE THE FACT THAT THERE AREN'T MANY HARD-CORE POLICY DISCUSSIONS. BUT WE HAD A VERY DARK DYSTOPIAN POINT OF VIEW FROM DONALD TRUMP ON THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD'S AND AMERICA'S PLACE IN IT. WE WERE HEADED TOWARDS A WORLD WAR III IN NUCLEAR WEAPONS. ON THE OTHERS OF THAT, YOU HAD A CANDIDATE IN KAMALA HARRIS WHO KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE AND DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK. IT'S IN HER ADVANTAGE, AND SHE DID AN EFFECTIVE JOB OF PAINTING A MUCH MORE MODERATE AND ROSY PICTURE OF THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE SIMPLE ASPECTS OF, WHAT IS IT THAT WE BELIEVE THE CURRENT CONDITION OF OUR COUNTRY IS AND WHERE WE THINK IT WILL HEAD, THEY HAD PLENTY TO CHOOSE FROM. A VERY, VERY STARK CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES. JOE: INTERESTING FACE-OFF ON GEOPOLITICS WHEN IT CAME TO THE MATTER OF UKRAINE AND ISRAEL. DONALD TRUMP SAID ISRAEL WILL NOT EXIST IN TWO YEARS IF KAMALA HARRIS IS ELECTED PRESIDENT. HE SAID VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD SIT IN KYIV IF TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT. JEANNE: BOTH OF THOSE ARE NOT TRUE. I THINK KAMALA HARRIS DID AN EFFECTIVE JOB, IN TOMBS -- IN TERMS OF RESPONDING ON THAT ISRAEL POINT. BUT THE REALITY IS, IN BOTH CASES, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM ON THESE GEOPOLITICAL ISSUES, WHERE THESE BROAD STATEMENTS -- WHERE THESE BROAD STATEMENTS WHERE YOU DID NOT GET ANY MEAT. KAMALA HARRIS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO END THIS WAR IN ISRAEL? SHE SAID, WE WILL KEEP WORKING ON IT. DONALD TRUMP, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT UKRAINE? IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF I WAS THERE. I DIDN'T FEEL EITHER ONE OF THEM GAVE REALLY SATISFACTORY POLICY RESPONSES IN EITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS. KAILEY: DONALD TRUMP WOULD NOT ANSWER DEFINITIVELY IF YOU WANT UKRAINE TO WIN THE WAR. JOE: THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES OF NEWS TO COME OUT. KAILEY: WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SPIN ROOM FLOOR IN PHILADELPHIA WHERE WE FIND BLOOMBERG'S DAVID WITH THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF NORTH CAROLINA, ROY COOPER. DAVID? DAVID: GOVERNOR, THANK YOU. I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ON ECONOMIC ISSUES. BESIDE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE IN THE END, YOUR REACTION TO WHAT YOU SAW IN THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE TOP OF THE ECONOMY SPECIFICALLY. GOV. COOPER: SHE WAS VERY STRONG. SHE LOOKS PRESIDENTIAL TONIGHT. I THINK SHE SHOWED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW SHE WILL BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS, AND THAT IT'S TIME TO TURN THE PAGE ON DONALD TRUMP. SHE PUT HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY ISSUE. SHE HAS A DETAILED PLAN ON THE ECONOMY, HE DOESN'T. SHE BELIEVES IN PROTECTING WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM, HE COULDN'T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD DO ABOUT A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND STARTED BABBLING ABOUT STUDENT LOANS TWICE. ON IMMIGRATION, HE NEVER EXPLAINED WHY HE KILLED THE STRONGEST IMMIGRATION BILL OF A GENERATION. AND, ON FOREIGN POLICY, I THOUGHT SHE WAS VERY STRONG IN SHOWING HOW MANY OF HIS FORMER MILITARY ADVISERS AND FOREIGN POLICY ADVISERS DON'T BELIEVE HE'S CAPABLE OF BEING PRESIDENT. HOW HE COZIES UP TO DICTATORS, AND THAT THEY CAN BEND HIM TO THEIR WILL WITH FAVORITISM AND WITH FLATTERY. AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A DEBATE TONIGHT WHERE KAMALA HARRIS SHOWED THAT SHE HAS THE METAL TO SERVE AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY. DAVID: SHE WILL GO TO NORTH CAROLINA AND BE AT CHARLOTTE AND GREENSBORO. SHE'S BEEN IN THE STATE MANY OF TIMES. WHAT DOES SHE NEED TO CARRY OVER FROM WHAT WE SAW ON STAGE TONIGHT TO NORTH CAROLINA? WHAT ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS MOST EAGER TO HEAR WHEN SHE GOES THERE TO CAMPAIGN? GOV. COOPER: THIS WILL BE HER 18TH VISIT TO NORTH CAROLINA AS VICE PRESIDENT. WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO REACH PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS, AND REALLY HAVEN'T BOTHERED VOTING. I THINK SHE IS CAUSING EXCITEMENT WITH THOSE PEOPLE. THE WAY SHE RESPONDED TO DONALD TRUMP'S ASSERTION ABOUT HER RACE, ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE AND CONCENTRATE ON THINGS THAT BRING US TOGETHER, INSTEAD OF DIVIDE US, I THINK THAT WAS A VERY STRONG MOMENT FOR HER, I ALSO THINK DONALD TRUMP WAS INCOHERENT AND UNHINGED, AND OBVIOUSLY VERY ANGRY BECAUSE HE DESERVED TO BE DEFENSIVE ABOUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES. DAVID: WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR DEMOCRATS TO CARRY NORTH CAROLINA? THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE PURPLE IN THE STATE FOR SO LONG. STEPPING BACK TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BUT OTHERS, WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET DEMOCRATS A WIN? GOV. COOPER: I COULD SAY MORE VOTES, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A BINARY RACE. IT'S DONALD TRUMP VERSUS KAMALA HARRIS, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR THE HEART AND SOUL OF OUR COUNTRY, IT'S ABOUT CHARACTER, I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF NORTH CAROLINA WILL SEE THROUGH DONALD TRUMP. YES, NORTH CAROLINA VOTED FOR HIM IN 2020, BUT IT WAS THE CLOSEST WIN THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD, ONLY 1.3%. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE PLAN THAT KAMALA HARRIS HAS, IN THE CHAOS THAT WAS CAUSED BY DONALD TRUMP DURING THOSE FOUR YEARS, I THINK THE CHOICE IS CLEAR, AND WE KNOW THAT IF KAMALA HARRIS WINS NORTH CAROLINA, SHE IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. DAVID: ROY COOPER, THE FROM THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA. JOE: DAVID WITH GREAT WORK FROM THE FLOOR -- FLOOR OF THE SPIN ROOM. WE THANK YOU FOR REPORTING FOR BLOOMBERG, FINAL THOUGHTS FROM OUR SIGNATURE PANEL, RICK AND JEANNIE ARE WITH US, SIGNATURE PANEL ON AN IMPORTANT NIGHT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO TALK A BOUTS SOMETHING THAT HAS JUST CROSSED THE INSTEAD. THIS IS MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT , POTENTIAL ENDORSEMENT OF THE CYCLE. KAILEY: TAYLOR SWIFT SAYS SHE WILL BE CASTING HER VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ IN THE 2020 FOUR ELECTION BECAUSE SHE FIGHTS IN THE RIGHTS AND CAUSES AND SHE BELIEVES A WARRIOR NEEDS TO CHAMPION THEN. SHE DOES HER RESEARCH. SHE SIGNS IT, TAYLOR SWIFT, CHILDLESS CAT LADY, AND IT IS A PICTURE OF HER WITH HER CAT. JOE: A LOT OF TALK ABOUT PETS. IS THIS A BIG DEAL OR NOT? RICK: THIS IS A BIG DEAL. SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS AN ENORMOUS FOLLOWING. I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER THING TO HIT THE SPIN ROOM JUST MOMENTS AFTER THE DEBATE, WITH A MASSIVE ENDORSEMENT LIKE THIS CULTURALLY PUTS HER IN THE MIDDLE OF MAINSTREAM AMERICA. I THINK -- I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, NOW WE SEEM TO DEBATE, IT'S ABOUT THE SPIN POST DEBATE, THIS IS LIKE A NUCLEAR BOMB FOR SPIN. JOE: 30 SECONDS REMAINING. JEANNE: IN OUR 30 SECONDS REMAINING THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND HAS BEEN A PET NIGHT. SO TAYLOR SWIFT ENDS IT WITH A CAT LADY,. IN THE SWIFTIES ARE HAPPY. AND SHE HAS AN ENORMOUS POLE. THIS IS NOT WHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR TONIGHT. HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THIS REGARD. JOE: THIS IS THE TAYLOR SWIFT /KID ROCK CAMPAIGN. YOU BEEN WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE SIMULCAST ON BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO. ♪