Arizona State gets first Pac-12 win and Big 12 football schedule released

hello everyone and welcome into episode 61 of the Stomp the bus show I am your host Mark Harris coming at you after an ASU win over a Pack 12 opponent their first of the Season great win for Kenny Dillingham and crew um want to get to a few more other things first we're also going to talk about the uh Big 12 schedule release that was very interesting came out on Wednesday so uh that'll be more towards the end the show wanted to touch on a few things first uh before we get started obviously as always please like And subscribe on YouTube rate and review on your podcast platform of choice um also want to let you guys know that Colton uh has decided to uh withdraw from the show he's just had other stuff going on in his life and didn't want this extra thing to do totally understand and you know he's been a great uh part of the show and it's been fun talking with him but it it'll just be me for the time being um and then thirdly did want to touch on ASU hockey uh they split over the weekend um against Miami of Ohio and are now at number 16 in the usch poll I think that's what it is it's on their Twitter account so uh still ASU hockey still going strong um good start to the season then ASU volleyball great weekend they're now 21 and3 after sweeping Cal 30-0 at home and then sweeping number three Stanford three- Z at home so that is now an avenging their 03 loss to Stanford back in late September uh fantastic weekend for the ASU volleyball program JJ vanil doing a great job and they even had a national player of the week in Marta linsa so good stuff for ASU volleyball all right when let's get into the football game what a win that was for the sundevils what a win one of the things that's so great about that win other than you know being the first Power five pack 12 win of Kenny dillingham's head coaching career the fact that it ended a six-game losing skid the fact that it just you know for once just for the short little time as an ASU football fan it just feels good just good to win one um I saw the phnx sunnd devil's account tweeted out after the win the uh picture of Kevin in the office where he said just like it's just good to win one that that was a great that was a great tweet by them and a perfect feeling about how people felt about this game because you know you had just been getting all these close losses you would had two three-point losses in a row and then a 14-point lost to USC that um wasn't was more competitive than that score would indicate so it's just it's just good to see and the thing I loved about this win the most is ASU didn't like pull this win out of its ass you know ASU was the better team they look like the better team and they won by two scores and that's just that is so good to see you know because ASU could have beaten or Colorado and if they had done that based off like a fluky play here or there or a pick six or something like that it would still be a great win don't get me wrong all these all all the wins count the same you know all the wins count the same all the losses count the same so ASU doesn't get any extra credit for losing close you know they're still two and sick but it wouldn't it wouldn't have been quite as fulfilling to just beat a team you know and it didn't always look like it was going to be that way in the first half you know in the first first half asu's defense was not that great you know they really let cam Ward uh run on them a lot he had two rushing touchdowns he had a great touchdown pass and sometimes you know guys make plays but um they did not play as well as they had been playing in that first half however second half they were awesome they held Wu to six points and it was two short field goals so well time I from what I remember it was well-timed uh blitzes and pressures in the second half that made you know the Cougars kick like 27 yard field goals I'm loading the box score right now let's see um yeah it was 31 yard field goal at the end of the third quarter and a 34 yard Midway through the fourth quarter that's really frustrating because that's a those are long drives that are just ending in short field goals and it was their only scoring of the second half um I'll just stay with the defense right now the pressure was still really good another sack and a half game for BJ green who that dude is just everywhere man he is everywhere I um I I don't think he's gonna come back to ASU I I hope that he has you know NFL opportunities but um it was good to see him play well Clayton Smith got a sack and a half that's really good to see he's been really dealing with injuries a lot this year um and you know it's funny they didn't get any turnovers but they didn't really they didn't really need any turnovers you know like sure it would have been great to get one in the first half but when you hold a team to six six points in the second half like you know don't really need the turnovers and they had some bad bad penalties go against them too at times so that was impressive but what was really impressive is the offense completely just breaking out of it shell and having to Fantastic fastic game I mean 235 rushing yards 509 total yards of offense cam scbo 11 carries for 121 yards touchdown and a 66 yard run mixed in there he was awesome D Carlos Brooks was freaking awesome as well with five touchdowns I'm sorry not five touchdowns three touchdowns uh only slightly exaggerated there uh three of the sundevils five rushing touchdowns obviously with scabo and Elijah Badger scoring on a sweep which was awesome but it was just so encouraging to see the ASU offense just look so much more functional um and really lean on an undersized defensive unit in the Cougars you know um I don't know if if this game gets played a month ago I don't I don't know if it has this exact same result even though you know Wu's defense was the same then and is as it is now for the most part uh I just don't know if asu's offense is able to click like that you know and they they have gotten a little bit healthier on the offensive line he's that Isaiah glasses back and it's kind of showed man I mean beray did not get sacked the entire game and he really wasn't under that much pressure I mean there was a few times he was under pressure but for the most part like he had a pretty clean pocket um passed for 274 yards found Jaylen Conor four times for 90 yards his best game of the year badger badger was just awesome man some of the Jukes he made in that game I mean that had to be a tough film session for the Washington State Defenders because that was he was really juking out and just juk he juked guys out on his touchdown run I mean just Badger's just been great this year uh troyo four catches 42 yards yards so giovan Sanders a huge one catch for 23 yards but it was on a third and 17 great throw by or gay uh even Bryce Pierre Messiah Swinson have catches Ryan Morgan fourth string tight end one catch you like to see that I think that was his first career catch so everybody was getting involved in this one uh just a fun win and it's it's just it was a really like it's nice to see it all come together you know because we had seen them knock on the door for really three weeks in a row um I might be forget I feel like I'm forgetting a game in there as well oh four weeks in a row I'm sorry Washington I completely forgot about the Washington game where they lost 15 to seven really knocking on the door and you finally break it down you finally break it down and you win by 11 points you rush them to death I mean ASU dominated dominated on the edges when running the ball you see I mean they scored on the toss play to uh Brooks twice they got like a 66 yard run out of that toss play and they also attacked them on the edges with the uh jet sweeps and so that's just what I love about that is that is Dillingham identifying a clear weakness for wazu and just attacking it attacking it attacking it the same way that team have done the same thing against ASU you know just attacking their offensive line um you know so that's what's really encouraging there wasn't it didn't there wasn't any need to do any of the trick plays or stuff like that you you could just run the ball on it and that was so encouraging to see now you're not going to be able to do that against any of your other future opponents coming up uh Utah this weekend it's going to be tough obviously um UCLA very tough defense Oregon tough defense Arizona's defense is pretty dang good too so that might have been their only opportunity to win a Pack 12 game but they took advantage of it they didn't let it slip away um that would you know those were that's why those losses to Cal and Colorado were tough is because he you walked out of those games and you're like are we sure Colorado is really that much better than ASU and same thing about cal um and so like those were winnable games we said on the show and that's why Colton I don't blame him for thinking this way after the Colorado game he he thought that this team wouldn't win another game and again I don't blame him for thinking that way because back when he said that like three weeks ago or two weeks ago Wazi was a much better team they might have been still ranked at that point so um anyway tying it all up they took advantage of the opportunity that was there for them took advantage of it in a big way and it just feels like the the upward trajectory of this program is real okay and I know I'm saying this after their second win of the season but you had a lot of people uh I listen to the cover three podcast um after that Saturday night at some point maybe on Sunday morning um Tom Fornelli on that show he was saying that ASU could be like a contender for the Big 12 championship game two years from now but Elliott was shouting out Kenny Dillingham like people are noticing okay people were noticing that was a big win and with a football you just need this the positivity man like especially because we're still you know there's the bull Band still there Antonio Pierce just got a you know interim head coaching job with the Raiders which is I'm not going to talk about this for long but like it's it's conflicting because like he's out of he's gone like he's out of the picture um him having an interm head coaching job doesn't affect anything of uh like what he did at ASU it's all in the past what's frustrating is like you see the people who caused all the mess that ASU is in just dipping out and not facing any qu consequences it's been done like that for years in college football I get it uh and if a honestly if ASU were six and two right now instead of two and six people wouldn't care so it sucks but he's on the Raiders so like how much like what I don't know it's it's just going to be an annoying story I guess but it matters a lot less when ASU is winning so you know um yeah but just a great win it really was a great win honestly and I I I I got to shout out some of the special teamers too longto hitting a 51 yard field goal right before half just totally changed the tener of the game because ASU was able to score on its ensuing touchdown Drive in the third quarter all of a sudden it's a 10-point game and wazu was never able to recover from that you could even you could just tell like watching them it just they were just totally out of sync after that and what I loved about that is wazu scored five plays 75 yards took a minute and 33 seconds pretty close to right before the half 21-21 42 seconds left they drive 42 yards in seven plays and they just get the they just get the the field goal you know and it's just so encouraging that with 42 seconds left it's like yes we're being aggressive let's try to get some points you know it's encouraging to see and there is going to be times where it goes wrong for you someone throws a pick in fact it might have happened earlier this year or something so I get it from that perspective but worked out against wazu and that field goal proved to be very valuable as the course of the game went on so love see it and I loved uh Ed Woods on that that last possession for the Cougars was just absolutely awesome great open field tackle and then breaking up a pass at the end of the game to keep them out of the end zone when you're up 11 that was that was so big so uh just a great win uh looking ahead to Utah Utah got absolutely dominated 35-6 over Oregon last week and now ASU has to play them in Salt Lake City after that Sun Devils are like an 11-point underdog on most sites which makes sense I'm not I'm not arguing ASU should be favored in this game but what is what's interesting to me is I just I don't know like how how scary is Utah really that's my thing um I think their wins over USC and Cal where they scored 34 points in both of those games I think it threw people off the scent of what their offense really is you know and I trust ASU I trust Brian Ward I trust the ASU defensive staff to have a much better defensive plan against Bryson Barnes and Utah compared to what USC and Cal did I mean Cal's defense is bad like we saw over the weekend with USC and Cal they scored 99 combined points like this isn't the Justin Willcox defense of like three or four years ago you know so I'm just looking at the stats for this like Utah's leading receiver Devon V 22 catches for 281 yards we're two-thirds of the way through the college football season how can that be your leading receiver and I'm comparing him to asu's leading receiver Elijah Badger who again has been on an offensively challenged team 45 catches 532 yards two touchdowns it's like asu's leading rusher cam scabo 115 carries 534 yards seven touchdowns Utah jnda Jackson 99 carries 487 yards one touchdown so not quite as low but again still like even a quarterback Bryson Barnes 769 passing yards four touchdowns five interceptions Bay just under 12200 yards one touchdown three picks I read all those off to make the point of I don't know how drastically far apart these programs are at this point in time and what I mean by that is like the week heading into this game obviously Utah is a much better overall program than ASU they're having a much better season they will almost certainly finish the season ranked but I don't think this is some unwinable game for ASU I really don't and the other thing with Utah is they play at Washington the weekend after this game and this could be a let down spot for them it could be I don't know you know it's still Utah it's still cyle Whittingham like you know I get it like I'm not but man like they offense just isn't good they lost they're win against UCLA they scored one touchdown they won 14 to7 they got killed by Oregon State 21 to7 they beat a bad like a bad Baylor team 20-3 just the offense has just not been good for Utah and so I just don't know what to make of this matchup because if Utah had like a competent off or even like a slightly below competent offense then like even with the Good Vibes and the upward trajectory and just ASU generally playing well or better than they have been I would still I would think like yeah it's probably not going to happen you know like it's just it's just uh you know they're too they're too well-rounded overall but their offense has just been bad enough to the point where I can't be like oh they're well-rounded you know it's like no like the quarterback's Bryson Barnes he is not a good quarterback like I I you I think Utah is going to win this game but I would be very surprised if a doesn't cover minus or plus 11 that's that's a lot and again look let's look at Utah's wins like their only double digit win I think they beat Florida by double digits and then they beat Cal by a lot but when you put it that way like okay so they have they beat bayor by seven they beat UCLA by seven like I they be USC by two again they deserve those wins I'm not saying those wins don't count but I don't know I just I know they're a tough program and again I think they're gonna win I just like is Utah getting to 21 points on ASU I mean they could I like they very well could but I don't know I my final I I'll say this for my score prediction I think ASU loses [Music] 19 I'll say 20 to 16 how's that but I don't know I just I think Utah has just got like I think the brand of Utah the logo is influencing how good people think this 2023 Utah team is because like I'm not sure who's the better quarterback in this game and I honestly I think it it might be boray like who's the better running back I mean I get it Utah has a better defense and I think a better offensive offensive line it's just I don't know I'm just not uh I think Utah just has a lot of respect earned respect it is supposed to be 44 degrees and rainy there so that could affect it as well but I'm just less intimidated by this Utah team because their offense has been so underwhelming and with the way ASU is playing right now they've played well against the upper level teams that they've placed you know or played when they played uh USC and Washington and heck even Oklahoma state who's ranked now did not expect the the Oklahoma State team I saw in week two should not be ranked but they've gotten better since then um so that's kind of my Utah ASU thoughts I think I still think Utah's going to win but ASU being an 11-point favorite I just don't know about that I just don't know about that um and honestly I think Asia has the better offense in this game which is troubling for Utah But ultimately they're at home um and I I still think Utah will get the job done but I think ASU will keep it close in a low-scoring game all right now let's get into some some of these big 12 or not some of these the Big 12 schedules so the way they did it as a scheduling Matrix and they've scheduled it out through the first four years of conference play and it's a little weird because there's only four protected rivalries those being ASU Arizona BYU Utah uh the Kansas schools and then TCU and Baylor and some of the other fan bases are upset about not having their uh their protected rivalry inct for every single year I know the biggest one is pharmageddon which is Iowa state versus Kansas State will not be played every single year and I get that that sucks but a lot of these same Big 12 fans were hoping the Pack 12 would dissolve and wanted to add all these schools well if you add all these four corner schools then guess what the schedule isn't going to be it's going to be way harder to put these schedules together so I don't know like it it sucks like they the farmageddon should probably continue but like some of these it's just like you guys wanted all these teams you guys wanted the four corner schools to come in so don't complain when they mess up your scheduling I guess that's my opinion but anyway let's dive into asus's um first four years and so how it's going to work for ASU is they are going to play at and away or you know they're gonna play Arizona every single so that's fine and then there's three there's a few schools that they're going to play like three out of four years so they play Utah three out of four years BYU three out of four years Colorado three out of four years and Texas Tech three out of four years now next year oh gota open this okay uh let let me get to my screen [Music] sharing all right let's do it okay so next year I don't I just wish they put the home on top of the away that's really annoying so next year the four home games Big 12 are BYU hosting Utah hosting Kansas and hosting UCF so that's a pretty juicy I mean Kansas if you're ever going to play Kansas playing after they're most likely coming off the ranked season UCF is at least kind of a brand then BYU and Utah those have good crowds uh on the road they're at Arizona at Texas Tech at Oklahoma State at Kansas State at Cincinnati that's that's those are some pretty tough road games I won't lie so uh having to play at Kansas State and at Oklahoma state is tough that is if you can win one of those games that would be awesome like to win one of them at Texas Tech is Texas L's a tough place to play I just don't know how good Texas Tech is gonna be like with Oklahoma State and Kansas State you know they're going to be like 8ish win teams and it's going to be tough to play and still water in Manhattan respectively Arizona I mean it's the territorial cup it's going to be it's all they're a good program now and so that's going to be a tough game and it's always going to be a tough game it's a territorial cup at Cincinnati I have absolutely no idea because they're starting Emy Jones this year I don't know what his eligibility is I don't know what their quarterback's going to be I mean Cincinnati has gotten off to a really tough start in the Big 12 hopefully for asu's sake they're still bad next year um just in terms of the road opponent I look at the 2025 slate though there are only four Road games four conference Road games for ASU in 2025 at Utah they're comfortable playing there they don't always look comfortable playing there but they you know we've been to Utah before we're going in a few days as ASU as a program at least at Colorado at Baylor and at Iowa State okay I mean you could get three pretty manageable Road games there you know because Iowa State Baylor Colorado who knows what they're going to be two years from now and history tells us like if Dion's gone Colorado's probably not gonna be good they might not even be good with him there you know he's trash in their offensive line like crazy good luck grabbing guys out of the portal doing that Baylor could be up and down they're they're a weird program because they've they're bad a lot of years but they have these Peak years where they win like 11 games or 10 games and so that could be anything it also depends like what time of the year are you playing them is it early in the year when it's hot as heck down there are you playing like November weather's nice different thing with Iowa State like they're generally like with Campbell at least you know they're going to be a tough team just don't know how talented they're going to be uh you hope to play that game earlier in the year then obviously you don't want to go to Iowa in the fall you don't have to uh in terms of playing football then at home pretty manageable 2025 home schedule pretty manageable you get Arizona Texas Tech TCU which who knows how good TC like TCU is probably going to be a lot closer to the team they are this year than the team they were last year when they played for the NAT that's just probably what they're going to be um maybe not I don't know and then you host Houston and you host West Virginia so 2025 and again like 2025 is will be dillingham's third year I assume asu's nil situation will be more um in control control I don't know we'll just be better uh by then 2025 could be a real opportunity year for ASU because next year next year just GNA be about getting back to a bow game just be like a seven and five six and six team go back to next year's goal is to get back to like level of what ASU is as a program get back to six and six get back to seven and five you can do that with this uh schedule in 2024 won't be easy but it's possible 20 25 I just I look at all these teams like there's no way Houston like there's no way all of these teams that asu's playing is going to be good and you avoid I would say Kansas state right now is the best program in the Big 12 including Utah um and you don't play them that year whether home or a road you don't play Oklahoma State so BYU you avoid so I I I you know it'll be interesting to see how you know uh how it plays out with who's good that year in 2025 but that does look like an opportunity five home games conference home games and so interesting 26 it's uh Arizona BYU Texas Tech Kansas UCF and then home is uh host Baylor host Colorado host State host Oklahoma State and then all the way out in 2027 you're at Colorado at TCU Houston at West Virginia so I guess the Big 12 schedule makers weren't gonna weren't gonna punish Ray Anderson too bad for his anti-west Virginia quotes and then you host U OFA host BYU and Utah host Iowa State host Cincinnati uh one thing I do like about this schedule is that you are in the state of Texas you play at least one Rogue game in Texas every single year in some years it's a lot more so in 2027 you're at TCU and at Houston in so that's OB that's very good for recruiting I would actually wish that was a little sooner because you are at Texas Tech twice which is great because yeah you're in the state of Texas but you're not in an area of Texas where it's not convenient to get to it's very out of the way so I don't know how much that really makes an impact in terms of like Hey we're playing in Texas for recruiting but maybe it will I don't know maybe just being in the Big 12 will uh and then 2025 you're at Baylor so that's a good place to go on the road because that's pretty centrally located in the state so you know it's interesting um I'm gonna get to another link that I saw on college football Reddit yes this is a very good chart that shows kind of how often each team plays each other and you see that there are very few red squares because those are the those indicate the four times teams will play one another over the course of four years it's only the Kansas schools the Arizona schools the Utah schools and then Baylor and TCU so that shows you how rare these uh you know year-long year-by-year rivalries are getting renewed in the Big 12 because there's only going to be four of them throughout this fouryear period the orange boxes are what's most interesting to me because it shows okay who's playing where and who who are the like Regional opponents that you're playing um for the most part and I like that they kept it Regional they didn't have like asus's three out of four opponents be Iowa State or West Virginia teams that aren't close the three out of four opponents are BYU Utah makes sense Colorado makes sense and then for a it's Texas Tech which makes sense for Arizona it's Houston which is interesting it's probably better for it's probably better to say like Hey we're going to Houston more often in terms of recruiting than it is Texas Tech but Texas Tech is a much bigger brand as a more committed fan base um and so I think having Texas Tech uh be a more common opponent is more fun for me as an ASU fan I think that you know we we have a history with Texas Tech way back in the Border conference years ago uh like 50 years ago 60 years ago but it does exist and there is some regionality some regionality with Texas Tech and ASU I think that you know they it it doesn't feel like some weird uh like non-conference match up when these two schools play like when ASU plays UCF that's just always going to feel weird there's no there's no getting around that when ASU plays you know West Virginia Cincinnati there's no natural Iowa State even there's no like oh this kind of makes sense it's like no they're just kind of it's just kind of a result of this conference being the way it is so those don't really like feel like conference matchups right now and maybe they never will but like Texas Tech that can feel like a conference matchup um it's not that far so it's you know you can get there if you're an ASU fan fairly easily so I don't know I think there were a lot of people who wanted pods but based on just it's just a lot of there you have 16 different schools that are from you know ranging from Arizona to Florida to Cincinnati and West Virginia it's going to be hard to like get everyone's preferences met and so you know from a from an ASU perspective I like how the schedule shakes out for us um and I like having the repeat opponents well obviously playing Arizona all the time and then the repeat mostly repeat opponents of Colorado BYU Utah and Texas Tech I think that's I think those are good uh good dance partners for us so that's where I'm at on that let me stop sharing um I have seen a few ASU fans kind of whine on Twitter and again it's Twitter whine about oh like this schedule was boring and oh the Pack 12 was better and it's like you got to live in the reality that you're in and not the reality that you want okay like you'll not like I wanted the Pack 12 to survive I still wish the Pack 12 would survive I think it makes more sense for ASU to be in the Pack 12 but the pack 12's not going to survive so you know we can would you rather be complaining about this schedule or a Mountain West schedule would you rather be you know ASU having to play you know in Cincinnati next year which isn't like is not ideal or would you rather be Oregon State and Washington State and have you know be left out in the cold I just I get it like it's better to have Oregon come to town to have udub on the schedule to have USC and UCLA um even having like other random Pack 12 schools like the Bayer schools Washington State Oregon State because you have the familiarity you're close to them if you're an ASU Alum there's a good chance you're living in California or Washington or Arizona obviously and it's easier to get to one of those schools but this is where we're at this is where we're at you know the pack bulb is going to be gone it sucks but this idea that we're just going to complain about oh there you know there's no Blue Bloods On schedule and uh you know I'm not I don't care about Kansas football and it's like I don't know what to tell you man I don't like this is where we're at and I'm thankful that we're in the Big 12 because like who else was going to take us the Big 10 was not going to take us okay maybe if ASU had done a better job investing into football like years ago um and you know was more of like a consistent eight or nine win program then maybe they Big 12 would or the Big 10 would have considered ASU but it's not happening right now and so you just have to deal with the fact that we're in the Big 12 and I don't even know if I'm not even talking to like all of the fan base I but I've seen some people on Twitter just kind of be like oh the schedule's underwhelming and whatever it's like well I just like what are you like what's the solution to rejoin the Pack 12 like there's no it just doesn't mean it's just just stupid it's just a dumb complaint so you could look at it two ways you know I'm looking at it as an ASU fan and as an optimist which I know there are there's a slim vend diagram of ASU fans and optimists but uh you know you could say oh there's no Blue Bloods on the schedule I look at it and be like yeah there's no Blue Bloods on the schedule there's a reality or a potential reality not a known reality but there's potentially a world where 2024 next year I mean you're still digging yourself out of this hole that you're in 2025 there's a reality where ASU was like What if they're like a top three team in the league that year and then you won't be complaining about no blue buds because you'll be one of the better teams in the conference right so I don't know you know there's four power five conferences could have been call and Stanford in the ACC would you rather have that like yeah I don't know I don't I don't know what to tell you on that front so I don't even know if I'm talking to anyone specifically but I've I have seen that complain a little bit on Twitter and it's just like like what do you like look for Better or For Worse ASU held on to the very end the very like literally like the last possible day that they could have continued to be committed to the Pack 12 and it fell apart you know around them and so it's where we're at so it you know be happy that you're not in the ACC and that you don't have to fly across the country to go to all the road games you know like as as if you're an ASU fan and you're complaining about oh we have Road games on the other side of the country it's like you have like one per year you know I'm looking at these let's look at the road games at Cincinnati okay that's the only one of the of the five conference real games at Arizona in State Texas Tech not that far Oklahoma State and Kansas State not that far and then yeah Cincinnati's far 2025 your furthest away game is Iowa State which again isn't like close but it's not super far and then 2025 you have at Kansas at UCF okay and then 26 or this was 26 good Lord I'm getting my years mied up 26 you have to go you go at UCF 27 you go at West Virginia like you play one of these further games each year and that's it like that's not that bad so yeah I'm just I'm happy that this uh schedule finally got put together and I'm excited to go I don't know if I'm GNA go to a road game depends on you know where my life is at that point and how much money I can just drop on a road trip to a different state but' be interesting to go to one of these you know Texas Tech is probably in terms of just flying there Cincinnati is by far the easiest to get to in terms of just catching a flight Texas Tech I'm sure there are flights out of Phoenix to LC but it'll be less frequent and then what Still Water you probably fly into Tulsa and then I don't know what you do to fly into Manhattan so the Oklahoma State really Tex like OK Oklahoma State in case State aren't exactly going to be super easy trips but um you know it's not like it's easy to get to Pullman or Calis so yeah all right well good stuff let's hope that ASU football continues the positive momentum I do have them losing 20 to 16 but I would not be flabbergasted or like Gob smacked uh looking for a word there that's more shocking than surprised I would not be completely floored if ASU won that game I I I just wouldn't be like you Utah's offense isn't good you know and when you just have a bad offense you open it you you open yourself up to losses because every mistake becomes even more Amplified because you can't make up for it so anyway thanks for watching thanks for listening uh go ASU and I'm excited for this big 12 schedule but first you got to beat Utah all right thanks for listening and as always go devils