The Name’s Daly, Carson Daly | Hey Dude... The 90s Called!

hey dude the 90s called with Christine Taylor and David Lasher hey everybody welcome back to hey dude the 9s called podcast I David I'm Christine what's up Christine hi David nice to see you we've got a really really cool guest who's sitting right next to me we let America be the judge of that St okay do you know that voice hello everybody coming at number three here's Good Charlotte and number two in syn is back and number one Britney Spears oh yeah talking about '90s Nostalgia Carson daily thank you so much hi everybody hey guys go this is so fun I mean thank you for having me thank you for being here I mean everyone at iHeart is so excited because while you know you and I are old friends and uh you are on TV more than anyone I've ever known well there's Regis God rested his soul he was on TV for a very long time and Al roer and Mr Roker still doing it yes yes but I've never seen you interviewed and that's what our producer Amy was like yeah he's I'm a very private guy he's elusive that's right I'm slippery like that it's dangerous business to be interviewed because you could get canceled for anything right especially being a host of The Today Show you have to be squeaky squeaky clean yeah but but but I will say you are and we talked about this a little bit before we just started this interview that I I am a today show Watcher so I I I feel like I know all of you it's very intimate you are all all you speak very candidly about your families your lives things that are going on your mental health exactly and I was going to say I feel like your mental health my no exactly but I was going to say that about you that you are so generous with what's going on with you so even though you don't do a lot of interviews I feel like you have that home to be able to I cuz I do feel like it's it's been great to sort of see you and you know get to track what's been going on with your life that's the good stuff and it's really the only thing I have to offer the today show since I don't do like the hard news uh weather's been taken for 45 years I do a little bit of the entertainment popart report and then yeah I just sort of like I think in their eyes um typify kind of your average like Dad you know I'm like I talk about my kids all the time um or the things going on in my my life you know my mental health has been a really like fascinating sort of Journey personally and um I guess it's back surgery I back surgery yeah totally y I'm literally like that's right I talk about my mental health my I'm like the Al Bundy of The Today Show like I'm I'm like I'm I'm broken in many pieces and everybody knows I come limping and um but it's it's a lot of fun to do that show my God it's iconic and so every day I pinch myself that I get to go beyond like I you know beyond the program and I see Al roer and they're great and Savannah and Hoda and Dylan there's just a great group there and yeah it's morning TV like my mom every day growing up like the Today's Show was on so it's crazy to be on it yeah we all with it I mean but it's so healthy to be open and honest about your life mental health struggles yeah we let's get to that after but I want to start with just whatever you want to start with and I have been friends for a very long time through my brother-in-law Scott and for years we had a very tight group Jeff and Johnny and Casper and you know there was an LA crew and a New York crew and we we were just traveled around together right and like the highlights that I remember are just barbecues at Scots with the Yankee game on um you know Lobster bakes on the beach CRA crawfish summers in Hermosa Scott had a a beach house in Hermosa I mean Carson had his own room beach house that's right and it was just the really the best of times it was like a movie I mean it was great the our crew and how we got to hang out and travel a lot and I worked at MTV at the time so you know anytime we were doing like spring break Cancun like a lot of you guys would just like let's go you know my boys would come down and hang out or um going to the VMAs or after parties or Super Bowls and you know you and and our crew would always be there and sort of share in these Milestones that pinch pinch yourself moments that I was so fortunate to have access to VV my job at MTV it was always fun for me to bring like my My Friends Along yeah and were you guys all single at the time well that's in and out that's that's a tricky question that's a really good observation I was single that's a good question also yes he was kidless for sure I I was uh married with kids and I you know all the other you didn't act like it though always you had fun I was going to tell the story about us in theb watching Casey okay and Jill left my Casey must have been two or three years old and he's running around Scott's backyard we're all in the hot tub you know chilling out and he's playing in Scott's garden and you remember he got chased like a be by bees yes of course we still Scott I still say that joke all all the time about when we later many years later we'd have kids we would make a reference to that I'm like I don't even know where I was and um and Jackson was over there of course being stung by bees it's always our go-to reference when we're not parenting properly and that's always because of you and that moment 20 years ago whenever it was but that was like the that was our time we were having the best time but I was also parenting and had one eye yeah and we're all different walks of life W weren't all actors or all like even on TV our friend Scott was in a different trade right so it was fun um yeah was a good quickly I mean and those were great years but like we I was just saying to you you know he got Carson got the job on today's show and like 10 years ago almost right uh he moved back to New York I mean he met an amazing woman Siri and uh and then time goes by and he's got four children that's right and uh he's a Suburban dad and and host of the Today's Show but like we miss you so much but the time just decade goes by so fast yeah it really does yes um but but I'm so happy for you and you seems place I have to come to your podcast just to see you that's what's crazy and Christine we wanted to this is easier to do than like hey can we meet at Starbucks or a cup of coffee for an hour that's exactly right we have to be public with our lives for an hour on a podcast just to spend time with each other but I'm so happy to do it I did when I asked him to do it he's like yeah let's do it I just want to see you right exactly that's actually how I've been asking friends also I I I'll say we haven't seen each other in Forever it'll be a good opportunity let's have conversation on the air like spend an hour right which is great ex which is what you do every morning I love the podcast I love what you guys do because you do something very specific in the podcast space about discussing you know an era and time to which we all um have that commonality of what you know sort of the 90s where we were in our lives and how it was able to propel us to New Directions in life and so the people that you have on it's always I know all of them of course or at least feel like I do um it's a highly relatable podcast for me so I was ped that you were doing it a but with both of you together are so perfect and then for me to you know to be invited was was really cool so I was happy to do it it's a lot of '90s nostalgia out there that like we want to definitely get into I feel like it's big like I you guys probably discuss that all the time but I tell my friend Gwen Stefani who I see with Blake and at the voice I'm like man if no doubt if you guys could put that band back together in tour you could make a trillion dollars because that sort of era of stuff is so popular I don't know if it is like in fashion and whatnot I think so but even it's what we always talk about this too David that um our kids like my daughter put together a summer playlist and it's so much of no doubt it's so much of the early music I mean it's a mix of everything but I feel like so true it's it's it's not even just us looking back on it in a nostalgic way their discovery of oh that's a CO all these cool like bands I'm like where did you even hear that and they found it and a lot of the new music that's out now samples stuff from the '90s you'll hear song and be like oh my God I know that song and it's you know a sample from the 9s so it's hot it's a hot commodity reair all your TRL seasons and probably get let's not let's not do that though why would we do that no people loved it no it's great cuz you know well let's it's like therapy to go back to talk about the a comforting uh decade um but you so you started out uh I I didn't know this I I knew the first thing that I knew was that you worked as an intern for Jimmy Kimmel butre you your mom Patty who honestly was one of the loved my mother she would have loved you like like almost like your mom like full of life always optimistic always always so much fun she passed in 2017 and we always at 73 and we always say like she lived like two lives like every day she she was clinging on to life my sister and I still joke that she hasn't like crossed over and gone to heaven yet because she still holding onz she's loved life so much thank you for mentioning my mom I love her so sorry to hear about that so sudden um yeah I remember the thanksgivings we had but yeah Patty daily was uh a a TV personality in Palm Springs in pal well she was an actress she moved from I mean her story I won't get into it but she was an Army brat so my grandfather was a badass Green Beret uh so she lived you know she went to kindergarten in Cai Japan during the war in Germany because of her father my grandfather so she was an Army brat and then she left North Carolina at 18 and moved to California to act she went to the pastina Playhouse and then acted and was in like I'd come home from school and she was on like Gomer pile and a bunch of like 70 shows yes Star Trek she'd be like one of those chicks like with like a bikini but like green painted skin because you know Ben Stiller is a massive Star Trek F I mean he knows every huge I mean we have auction items just displayed well she wasn't a regular she wasn't on many she had a lot of bit Parts no no no I will we have to look her on a TV series called manx uh she danced for Sammy Davis Jr in the shindig tour she has this whole history before my dad she did a bunch of stuff and then she got into radio and um and wrote copy and this was in the 80s when like you know women weren't selling air time and writing copy and recording it people wanted like the man voice and she would kind of broke a lot of boundaries in in radio as a as a woman in the ' 80s so she had like this whole entertainment background which my sister was into when we were in high school in La I grew up in Santa Monica my sister was an actor actor and all that and then my dad passed away but my mom's uh new husband who's like a great father for us he was like a businessman so I went like my dad's route I wanted nothing to do with the entertainment business is that true and then everything flipped my sister became like a kick-ass business person and I ended up like doing this so Patty must have influ the influence was definitely there yeah your first gigs were in radio right I think you're influenced by what your parents do whether you want to be or not right so true you could rebel against it and that's still an influence or you could gravitate towards it yeah we just my son very quickly just had a big Junior in a junior Workshop project for high school that he chose to do discussing that sort of the nepo baby conversation not for no other reason than to just explore the fact that kids throughout history have been influenced by what their parents do sometimes they go completely in the other direction or they'll find their way into that business whether it's the entertainment industry whether it's you know music or um you know he even use like a dry cleaner or something you go into the family business and it's that's been throughout history so I thought it was such an interesting project but um that's it's so funny that you went the other way even though I didn't think uh that I would be that baby like I ended up it had a huge influence in my life it just did and it evolved when I was a teenager I was like oh no I don't want to do any of that you know do my I want to forge my own path and do my own thing and then you just sort of realize like oh wow this path may be sort of predestined for me a little bit I just that's what I like to do and I've you realize oh I watch my parents you know it's like osmosis it's just in the in in through the bloodline it is weird it is absolutely a thing so you you first like see that project Christine I will tell I will talk somewhat to watch he did a really good job with it yeah I know we we do have [Applause] [Music] two so you H to be a pro golfer I know you grew up with Tiger and your dads were very close and play how did you turn away from that and into radio so I was trying to play pro gol I was trying to play I played golf in high school uh but when I played golf I graduated in 91 won from Santa Monica High School uh in Los Angeles which was a very like you know um I think you had Chad low on the show I mean a bunch of like the oh my God the BR pack all went there Charlie Sheen and robow were there after there after them a bunch of a bunch of dudes a bunch of people we were you know Santa Monica was like six blocks away from the beach so Kelly Slater went there for I think a a semester and he was like surfing at lunch and we had what became parts of um porno for pyrro the band and they were another band at the time called k38 they played in our quad at lunch I mean it was just typical La stuff parents are actors a lot of that a lot of that right um but I got into golf I don't know you know because my stepdad he that was our connection my dad died when I was five of of h cancer uh in his 40s and my mom remarried about four years later to my stepdad who like took a minute for my sister and I to kind of you know you know we called him Richard for a while then all of a sudden at dinner my mom was like the kids have something to tell you we're like can we call you Dad and he he was a stoic man businessman and he was like didn't show his emotions and he he big strong guy with a deep voice and he started crying and so he became dad and he would go on to be he passed in 2017 my parents um died like six weeks apart um but he would go on to be like my biggest hero in my life my stepdad so I say God bless me with two incredible fathers wow but um yeah so he played golf and so golf was my connection I played golf I played all four years in high school girls would look at me cuz I had a letter and Santa Monica so I had a Letterman's jacket my freshman year had an s on it I was like I'm so cool my letterman jacket and they like oh you're a freshman with like there'd be like a golf club would signify what you lettered in like if it was tennis it was a tennis it was football was a football and the golf was like a little stick and the girls would be like what they thought it was cool till they realized what is that and like that's a golf club very sexy this is in like 1988 like this was not a and they're like oh my grandfather plays golf and like they'd walk away it's an old man's total old man's Fort You' really get along with my before tiger before Michael Jordan made a cool Nike commercials and what it's become now so I played all four years in high school I got a golf scholarship to LMU um full scholarship full scholarship ended up dropping out and moving to Palm Springs where my parents living at the time and to turn pro wow when I was 18 and 19 and then that's where I intersected and met Jimmy Kimmel who I had previously met it's a crazy story when I was a kid we sort of reconvened we met on a trip uh in Maui when I was like eight um I end up interning for Jimmy who was doing radio and you know I just kept doing radio stopped playing golf realized that ship had sailed I kind of burnt out and in radio if you're you know show up on time on a drug free you can Excel the ranks of radio pretty damn quick it turns out and so I just and were you a huge music fan a huge music fan huge and I always thought like when I started to intern and I saw Jimmy how he was doing a Morning Show and I learned a little bit about editing and producing and the music and the comedy and it really peaked my and I became kind of a DJ and then I would just sit here for 4 hours being the DJ alone and I would just play music i' play it so loud in the studio and I would just think to myself I cannot believe somebody gets paid to do what I would do in my bedroom right now exactly and I was hooked from that moment on so I did radio really for the next like 25 years right was Jimmy a good boss but was he was he was a terrible boss actually I lived in great fear of Jimmy Kimmel his name was Chris Kimmel at the time because his middle name was Christopher but we had Jimmy already Jimmy the sports guy was already at this radio station in Palm Springs where we started so he was Chris Kimmel he had a Morning Show and he was the biggest Howard Stern fan of all time if you know anything about Jimmy Kimmel now or look it up Howard Stern and David Letterman are his two Idols so that came with a lot of of of ribbing and hazing and he would he would try and torture me on the air cuz it was good radio and it works but oh I mean he's like a brother to me and he's I owe All of My Success to Jimmy Kimmel that's amazing you took it and you but that was the dividing line of when like I was playing golf you know from like 12 to 18 every day all day trying to become Pro then you realized that's just not going to happen and then um I got into radio and then I worked and I stayed in California and worked in a bunch of radio stations and that's what led me to krock in LA right and then ultimately MTV so but to your point Christine like a lot of that was because people ask me well how did you get how did you get into what you do I mean it was all passion like I was willing to I took an oath of poverty like in my mind and and I was fine with that like I could live in any City in this country and if I was your nighttime DJ in a small market for 4 hours a night and I made $45,000 a year sign that was fine with me and whatever came with that fine and so once you do that and you really commit to that then like I felt and even to this day like everything's just been gravy it's like oh okay I got a little more secure job or oh i' make a little bit more money but that could go away that could go away and you operate out of fear but if you just keep putting your head down and working hard like you if you have success it all just feels like kind of found yeah such a great lesson too like so many people you know my kids I have a daughter Hannah's going to be a junior T Lane she's CRA majoring in business she's studying in Madrid she's at working at an internship right now in Tel Aviv but a lot of kids chase where's the money you know or the fame or the fame I was going to say that's yeah that's that's or the idea of celebrity or influencer well I that's what what I was going to say is how how mature and maybe that was having such great parents or or seeing them but the the maturity for you to really know that in your heart and not feel like oh this is just I'm just playing pretend right now and what's my real job going to be that you knew in your gut yeah I love this yes ABS you stuck with it I mean that is but then you give it this extra effort you it's if you find what you are passionate about to to do as a career you there's no one that can do it with that sort of in you know work ethic and and and just diligence but if you have an entry-level job in any Walk of Life forget entertainment and you love what you do genuinely at an entry level point it doesn't stop you from trying to all right how do I get out of this cubicle and maybe get a corner office or like how do I get you know rise the ranks within this world you know but I love what I do so if if I fail who really cares cuz I love being here then it just becomes like you know you just try and succeed and if you succeed then it's like all right even even better even better but ultimately you were okay with that initial job or thing that you did and for me that was music music has always spoken to me it's talked to me I think it's helped me out in my youth going through some trauma it's always moved me I know now many many years later through my exploration of my mental health I have panic disorder and um anxiety disorder I know for a fact the way that and I always tie that into nature and nurture I mean I think we know now it's not just you're either born this way or it's by influence of your environment It's a combination of both and I know now as a kid like I was when I would hear a song or see a sunset like I get visibly moved by those things it's the same thing that physiologically physically changes me yeah I I'm that passionate about when I hear music it moves it speaks to me yeah um and a lot of that I think is just by the DNA in which I was sort of created and so I wanted to just be as close to the music I loved it so much as possible whether I was a guitar tech or roie or worked in radio or whatever you know interned at a record company or a studio I wanted to just be around music and you know get paid for it and um and did but yeah or my parents were big influences too you know my dad had this like hardcore work ethic he got up I could hear his shoes at 5:00 in the morning down the hallway and I would always as a kid go man my dad like works hard and he would be like hey you guys can go out in high school you guys go out and night like the only thing I asked at 6:00 if you could just be home for like 20 minutes so I can just see you guys check in on your day and we'd all sit in the living room and he'd smoke a parliament and drink a Cy soark and I'd make my mom a Gonic and she'd smoke this is in the ' 80s and but my sister would be there and it was like hey how was your day today and my dad would just want to sit with his family we'd usually have a meal he was you know Italian and that was kind of important too but then after that a check you could go in but it was just and I always respected that I was like dude this guy works so hard hours family also was important so those are traits I see he did it by he never sat me down was like Hey when you're older man you should always sit with your kids after school he never told me any of that he just lived that way and I gravitated towards that heend he's Catholic my dad was Catholic my faith was born out of that too because I would just watch him like go to mass on Sundays and he was like kids get in the car I was like where's this dude going and I was like hey can I go with you and then I'd watch him at St Monica's and I was like oh man like this is and then I'd ask him some questions and then that led to by his example my own you know coming to my faith yeah your own curiosity Che Point Christine that that sense of like organic nature of just loving what I do and like willing to be you know I thought about being a priest for a hot second that's in my bio view yeah it is there is a there was a hot second CU I I was I'm Catholic also I did I went to 12 years of Catholic school uniforms your mom was a Sunday school teacher my mom was a Sunday school teacher my mom goes to daily mass that was what I grew up in but my but it was very similar we we it was not that we were all forced to go we went on holidays and on Sunday but it was really sort of as we got older the qu you know who what we wanted to do and how we felt about it cuz my dad wasn't he was Catholic but didn't go to church with my mom all the time either so we each had our own sort of con that work for you yes and Parenting by example I mean that what a great lesson Parenting by example is way more effective than forcing things onto your child right forcing values into your child cuz they will rebel against that as opposed to just seeing wow my dad really is a great guy and I'm I'm curious about this um so so uh krock you're you become a huge I'm like 22 I'm Liv in La my hometown and um they opened up a krock in New York City for the first time ever so the krock nighttime DJ Sluggo one of my heroes who I listen to In radio got the job in New York and it left this opening in LA and I was up in San Jose California working at um an Infinity owned krock sister station and they brought me down to La it's like I was getting called up to professional baseball you know show in the minor you don't get these jobs they don't come up Kevin and Bean are on for years like if you want to do mornings in La you have to wait for them to run you know run their whole time you know just could be teads so it was a really good opportunity I was like 22 I think and I got this night job 6 to 10 p.m. uh at KCK in my hometown and I like Prime Time prime time for like the high schoolers in college and people were partying and I did that job for you know like only about a year and a half for MTV called they did a beach house in Southern California you know MTV back in the day every summer they'd be somewhere new like spring break they were that summer in um Palace veres at the old SeaWorld um right billam on Mel California Motel that was the name of the programming that summer when I started at MTV and it was just a summer job cuz I was working at krock at night they took a couple of radio people and just gave us summer jobs by the end of that summer but you were you mean put to be on on camera on camera was that a big change for you to go from behind the radio mic to being in front of a it was just because it was visual but like the job description was hey come down here for like a couple hours a day and interview uh you know no doubt or Social Distortion or whatever Southern California band I knew thought already interviewing at krock anyway I mean I knew I knew these people so that was some people freeze up when a camera's on they had Q cards and that was the thing see here's the deal the the VJs that came before me really were trying to Parlay their success to become actors in La they would they would leave New York and they'd go to La for pilot season and really that was their goal oh whereas like so at the end of that Motel California the bosses you know called me and we like had a meeting and they're like we want you to come back to New York because we're going to relaunch MTV we want people to be on who actually love music we need ambassadors of music not who are looking are looking to become famous like so do you want to act and I was like no I have no desire in acting why would I want to do that why would I want to be I want to be me and they were like done and so that's how I moved to New York and the TRL era in 1999 or 9 98 kind of kicked off under that with that whole mentality of like this has to be organic and pure we want people who love music and that's why I got the job I ition for it I didn't you know dude you were a you were a natural fit me it was just an easy like you know loved music got into radio worked at six stations in California in six years I had a pickup truck I moved all over the place was flat broke lived with my sister in San Francisco on her couch made like $118,000 a year worked at a dut shop I did it all and Happy Happ loved it loved it and um and then just then you know krock in La huge break then Music Television like at the next level music you know and that would lead into like late night television and then ultimately like the Today's Show is really like going back to TRL it's TRL for adults right if you were 18 in 2000 watching TRL you know you're you're 40 now and have a couple kids and you're watching The Today Show your audience is I just sort of went with the audience I think I went with them they didn't come with me it just happened that way you didn't plan it that no not at all but that's why I get on the street is like what you experienced when you met Savannah and Hoda at the US Open it was like oh my girl girls are here and you're hugging them and it's like you know them exactly that's the sort of experience I have with with the with people it's nobody wants my autograph or to do they just they feel like they know me right and I love that like that's the perfect thing for me you know I just app I appreciate are who I mean you are like just like your mom just a genuinely happy lovable uh kind-hearted guy I mean you are who you are on well I appreciate that I mean I just love what I do and so I love that I've been able to make a career out of really just sort of being myself I guess or you know and you know like there's some hosts you know that present themselves as one way and a kid comes up to them they're like get the hell out of here kid you know like oh yeah that can be devastating I've never forgotten like where I come from and like you know no I mean I've always been that way with I mean always joke like you know people if I do sign an autograph or if people need me for any reason I'm more than happy to do it I'm like yeah you guys pay my mortgage like it's the least I can do it's not I know how this works you know I'm app but as someone so recognizable and approachable and beloved do you does that ever play into the the anxiety or panic disorder stuff because you there's you have you have for sure and yeah I mean and how do you manage that that's a that's been the whole kind of last two decades of trying to figure that out you know now I'm you know I started talking about my mental health a couple years ago on the Today's Show we were doing a piece on um Kevin Love the basketball player uh who wrote an article about experiencing a panic attack during an NBA game and as we I read that I was like oh my God this happened to me during TRL like I literally had my first like massive panic attack actually I realized I had plenty of panic attacks before but I didn't know what the hell was happening to me going crazy literally um or I thought I was really hung over or like I didn't know what was wrong and you seem like one of the most calm poised well that's the thing with mental health that is really at the end of the day um that's the biggest hardest piece to the puzzle to crack is that there's so many of us and now we know now I work in the mental health space from a really deep advocacy place so so I'm board of directors of a great nonprofit and I have access to tons of data and I speak all the time about my own experience because it's there's a lot going on in in the space not everybody has the same sort of afflictions or experiences um but the one stat that I keep going back to that I think answers the question is that you know if you and I are playing the three of us are playing a pickup basketball game and Christine rolls her ankle how long is it going to take for you to if you can barely walk to go hey I'm going to run to urgent care and see if this thing's broken or sprained you know you would waste no time to do that but for the average person from the first time they have a mental health symptom right maybe it's a panic attack or anxiety or something they can't quite put their finger on when is it that you think they go ask for treatment or try and figure it out it's like 10 years oh God I was going to say I was going to say weeks and you're saying years and now me as I look back and even my I didn't recognize it we had been in Aspen a ton of times partying ASP and I had and I was having panic attacks and we thought it was the altitude thought it was the altitude so then what happened is I stopped going to places of any altitude because I was afraid that that was a trigger so but you did take some action just didn't know true but that was just because the panic attacks were so devastating I was like whatever triggered that feeling I can't then your world gets small and smaller smaller they have more panic attacks then you I'd have one going to like the VMAs and being in the car about to get off and I felt claustrophobic and then my mind started to spin and I started to feel disillusioned and those are all symptoms of panic um then I said to myself well I can't go to these like events anymore not you know just so you keep doing that oh Vegas I can't go to Vegas anymore I like had a gnarly panic attack in Vegas all of a sudden you're becoming agoraphobic and your world's getting smaller and you're shutting in that's when I sort of was like okay I need to go get help and I went to um in Beverly Hills the just incredible um psychologist who uh or psychiatrist in um in the field like I went and did cognitive therapy for like 17 weeks and like went to mental health boot camp and then figured out it was so great I figured out so much stuff I'm like wow all this this is all a thing like Gad generalized anxiety disorder is a thing and I was so happy to hear that normal I thought it was something I thought my brain was broken I thought I was born broken and it's scary when you think not that I care what people think about me but I didn't have any context to actually what was happening phys physiologically and then I just learned so much about the model of anxiety and it's and then how many people are dealing with this when I started talking about the Today Show it was like it was like Fight Club the movie Fight Club where like everybody starts you know if you're in Fight Club like you start to wink at each other like you see another guy with a bruise at the airport like hey you're in Fight Club first rule is you don't talk so every for like the first year after I started really talking a lot about it forget anything I've ever done on MTV anything I've ever done in the public space people would come up to me and that was the linkage was like man thanks for talking about you know your mental health and anxiety cuz here's my story here's my daughter story here's my friend story and we need more people just talking about it to break that stigma because people are scared they're scared they're being judged if you're a person of color forget about it because there's lack of access to care there's there stigma much deeper be for cultural reasons um so there's lots of there's lots to unpack in the mental health space and that's the thing now people come up to me they're like hey thanks for you know or I have't where can I go you heal start a movement I hear I mean so many celebrities are talking about removing the stigma mental health talk about so important yes when you shared that story it was I I saw it it was so powerful and also you know we all have kids who are growing up in a very different worlds where it's that is a very real thing for kids and teenagers as well and for them to have a role model like you to be able to look at somebody who is cool and success what Kevin Love was for mect or Michael Phelps or any sort of famous person that I had ever seen talk about it I was like oh my God that's amazing that person operates at a high level has a successful life it's not screwing them up it's like this guy on a on a big stage with a bright light and he gets through it he manages it and so if I can be that for other people like oh my God I watch that guy on The Voice every Monday night he looks like he's so happy but like literally I could be suffering a panic attack and you don't know going back to your thing Mental Health is not something you can look at somebody and know what they're going through especially when it comes to suicide and depression that's the thing and there are solutions right and whether it's the beginning is just talking right yeah y like my buddy John rien who I lived with next door to where we're recording this John had a lot of anxiety in his childhood and he was when I was in my I think 30s or whenever that era was here he was the very first person that even introduced the idea of like you know when I said man I'm like weird things are weird shits happening to me um and and that led to this conversation and it was in anxiety and I went down that path for my own expiration and that's what it was but it was all about having a conversation you have to just start talking and people don't talk they're suffering in silence and a lot of men are afraid to not that's another category exactly to to just be able to say hey something's going on a lot of that's that masculinity conversation care if you don't think I'm masculine and it's not a sign of weakness it's actually a sign of strength to be able to talk about what what's going on of course um like Dak Prescott the quarterback of the Cowboys his brother his best friend took his own life Dak went through obviously as you can imagine a dark period and then one of the sports commentators on ESPN a famous guy like started to have that this a couple years ago now was saying like how the his opinion was like the the quarterback of America's favorite team shouldn't shouldn't be crying on camera it shows weakness like when he's on the field they're going to oh God and that's everything that's wrong with to your point I think if I own a football team I want quarterback to be handling this that way it show strength yes be a real human being yes it show strength plus if you swallow that for too many years it comes out and people are still just learning this that it's okay to not be okay yeah yeah it's okay to be not okay it's yes yes um yeah it's a much better time right now to be uh dealing with this stuff than you know 10 20 30 years yeah thank so let's go back to TRL because get to happier times Christine do you remember did you ever go by the Broadway uh 15 was it 15 Broadway and and there's a giant window and there's Carson you can see the show being done me and Fred dur and Kid Rock and Britney and Britney Justin JayZ we' be on our our T-Mobile Sidekick like pagers at the time that looked like big garage door openers and it was a great time it was a great time in New York it was it's such a time capsule to think about that time cuz it really was a special time and the music when we talk about the 9s it's such an amazing expl expion of music like I I I know all the people you interviewed but what are the highlights to you who who were you most Star Struck to have interviewed and who were the who were the highlights that just stand out to you like the big breaks well you know TRL was a show that like you know I created with another guy Tony D Santo and it was just a countdown show and but we wanted it to be live and we wanted you know it also to be a place that um you know a-level guests could come and so it have the sort of live component to it but the the through line was you know was a video countdown show but we would invite kids so it started with like me and one camera person and maybe there'd be one kid with a sign that said I'm from Queens or I came from Brooklyn and then a couple months later you know it was like I'm from Connecticut and I'm from Jersey and then like it hit a Tipping Point in 98 and the explosion of the boy bands musically I mean it really was a moment and all of a sudden that show became you know probably what American band stand was for our parents right if you had an cultural it became the place and all of a sudden I remember think we had Adam Sandler on for like a big movie at the time and then Brad Pit called in and then you know we just all of a sudden it transcended even music and music videos it just became and then in like 99 you know hip-hop in New York was exploding hip-hop in general was exploding it was exploding at in Madison Avenue was a business uh the Yankees were winning I mean New York was on fire at that time Jay-Z was blowing up fashion was just everywhere and MTV was at the epicenter of that cultural and and RL and there's little old me just sort of sucked into being this sort of unelected official of a of a time you know never true yeah and I just was like and so all the teenage girls that would come to Time Square to see Justin Timberlake or Nick uh from the back sheet boys or any of these groups they needed me to get to them so the signs would say hey Carson let me up I want to meet Jus so I sort of became famous just not because anybody gave a crap about me they needed me I was the gatekeeper you were the gatekeeper and so I and when all the boy bands were exploding and all that then I started you know then I was dating like Jennifer at the time love huitt or then I kind of like got swept into this kind of celebrity that I never meant that I was the VJ like I'm like a door I open the door for the celebrities that's what I do but somehow I got caught in that like vapor trail of of you know whatever that was at the time um me you're so humble because you you honestly were so good at what you do you say Dick Clark wasn't a celebrity but at some point you become the personality as well right I think after after a long period of time yeah you it's yeah you're there every day and you you know I loved interviewing whether it was hip-hop groups or po I loved music so I always tried to be very Switzerland and very impartial on TRL my truth is my background is krock was you know like you know alternative rock was is like really my background but I love music so much you know when I'd go to bars in New York and guys would be like like dive bars like guys like oh you play that Britney Spears crap and I'm yeah I play that like that's what America wants to hear and I don't judge like I don't care if I'm a bartender and you order a Cosmopolitan and I don't drink Cosmos on doesn't mean I'm not going to make you the world's best Cosmo like that was my TRL was like that you know um from Limp Biscuit to pod to insync to whatever it was and I think that it's popularity was because it covered everybody was that level of sort of immediate success or fame or recognizability um overwhelming or did you love it you I loved it for different I love Monday Morning Quarterback I loved it because it offered me like stability in my life professionally um it was fun and I loved waking up my mom had always said uh you know you if you can wake up and just love what you do every day like you you'll never work a day in your life that whole thing and it's it's just true it's just true and I was living that and then you start living that at a high level and it's just like there's so many Pinch Me moments when you're going to a Super Bowl or you're backstage meeting you know your Idols or or you're reading something in Rolling Stone and someone's talking about you and whatever it is like it's hard to believe but I never I never got caught in that I never I always knew I didn't who you were I always knew who I was you never changed and I think we still talk about this too I mean even Ben talks about it too like there we will still go to events a a lot of times a sporting event or something and meet one of these that huge sports fans even actors or musicians that we still don't have that moment where we walk out after we've gotten the chance to meet and we're like holding I'm like oh my God that was rer just that just happened we just had that moment and and you to you can't ever lose that yeah because to me I mean that's what it's all about you lost all sense of reality if you meet somebody like that or have an experience like that that you're immune to because your life has been so privileged it's sad then it's sad then then shame on you right so I think that speaks volume about you for feeling that way I mean I always feel that way it's just not lost on me like ever of course and it it shouldn't be it's excitement of life like we talked about your mom you know I mean doesn't matter how old you are how successful you are you know life is exciting there's amazing passing down that wisdom I always tell my kids like I hear my hear my mom and my father in me now coming out and I do I always always break it down my wife rolls her eyes I like try and I think it's cuz my dad died when he was like 44 I feel like I might have lot like limited time this is just how I feel so every time I'm alone in the car with my kids or I'm with my daughters I have three daughters I'm always kicking the knowledge I'm like I make everything A Life Lesson to like to nausea I know what you mean my wife's like they're just crossing the street I'm like yeah but but the crossing guard is a metaphor for you know a person of authority in your life if she says stop you have to stop you can't start running through red lights in life you know like I'm always she's like oh my God dial it back dial it back a little bit I feel the same way everybody wins a trophy I'm sorry like just doesn't happen people win and people lose you have to work hard you can be frustrated I say this my 14-year-old is trying to learn to play golf he's just like H like you haven't put in I haven't seen you at the driving range for more than 10es you haven't put in the work I'll tell you straight to your face you're not going to be good until you learn to it Evol Evolution like think about the idea of evolution of evolving and getting good at something through practice right and through time spent sered start conton James is still practicing shooting I mean b mentality the entitlement has run rampid so there's this sense which is good because I think there's some pride in entitled feeling entitled as a young person I think there's some good in that but boy it makes it hard to like to to put your nose to the Grind Zone and actually like show real work ethic roll up your SLE that might be part of why you feel this Duty to give life lessons because you see Society moving in a certain way teaching kid lessons that everyone want like I have to teach them before they get into you know an uh an arena of life where they're going to their their the voices and the influences around them will be coming from another direction that you know and by the way like our kids will make up their own minds we raise them to be freeth thinkers we can only guide them and I say to my kids all the time listen you may think I'm full of [ __ ] like you don't want to take my advice that's fine you're going to you'll be out in the real world but I hope that these things Echo you know like my son makes good decisions he just Jackson like you know when you're with your friends he's 14 like you'll get a feeling in your stomach you'll get a little nervous feeling that if you're unsure whether you should throw an egg at that house or whatever the little situation is someone passes you a flask or a vape or what you're going to and you're going to feel the pressure but if you get that little gut feeling you're going to get a little warm that's stick to that that's telling you something that's telling you something learn to have a relationship with that little feeling that thing going to keep you in good that's going to keep you good stad and freaking call me I'll never ask a question exactly I'll pick you up I don't care even if it's too late even if you took a hit or you did this or that just call me exactly you know my parents did that they're like if you're ever drunk at a party just call us there'll be no questions asked we'll make sure that you get home safe that's all we ask and a lot of kids our age growing up we scared to death to tell our parents anything like that you know for sure um but yeah I mean that's amazing parenting advice yeah I feel like I'm doing it now on the podcast like I'm I start to like dude I'm like you can ask me a question like anyway so was likeone now I'm like yeah but David Christine life is so short I wanted to have a week session and teach our children the right way Dr Carson daily your father oh man it fires me up I love life I love my kids so much and I care about them I want them to do well you know the same way I mean our kids are like the Crux of everything you know yeah and we've said it over and over again that the best thing you can do for them is to let them fail right let them make mistakes and it's the hardest I say it every time we talk about it and we talk about it a lot I'll dis my daughter who's 10 and all said she'll act acting like a complete jerk and I'll call her right out on it out loud to her face and then she will react and then I can just see my wife shrinking cuz my wife's a people pleaser she's a different personality and I see her shrinking and she's grabbing and if I took a step she'll go towards Eda and then I'm like later our conversation postmortem will be they have to experience a little bit of that shame and that dis they have to marinate in that because it's that feeling that's going to that they're going to need to call on so that they don't do that again if you're immediately there after I'm trying to prove or vice versa then you undo you you undo the lesson then you you can't say like hey let's go shoe shopping right now I know and that's hard in a relationship when you when you're two different people cuz I am two entirely different people so are we and I imagine you and chill are we are entirely different people it's it's probably good though to have both those influences cuz a lot of money to convince us that that it's entirely good no it is it is good of course because it's if you're committed we're committed like period so it's good because if you if you have the commitment then it becomes your it has to be good yes so you find a way you you work through it that instinct to protect them at all times from any sort of hurt or failure is so strong yeah for sure yeah you have to let them fall and scrape their knee or what you know and fail I mean it's part of it we've all done it all had things that it's like okay that that wasn't my plan I didn't plan this trajectory in my life to Happ but people think that you did exactly but right but it was all the things it was all the screw-ups it was all the mistakes the things I feel the worst about and that have that's how I grow that's how I can talk to my kids like that we're living in reality that's what I always say like when I grew up we as as in a Catholic Family that was a lot was sort of sort of swept under the rug it was difficult things weren't the easiest to talk about I we talked to our kids in reality now it's like this is the reality this is not the best thing that's going on with this diagnosis or your grandmother is not doing well or any of those things we're not trying to protect they do better with the truth anyway they do better with the truth yeah I agree they they amen youngo and they'll respect you for it because they will find out if you I talk to my kids like they're 35 years old they're three 8 10 and 14 I literally just like I'm talking in this microphone and like I I they rise to the occasion May a day or to but I look them right in the eye and tell them you know how it is right and they will respect you for it when parents treat them like little children or they they sugarcoat everything the kids find out and they go my dad was telling me this and then dude we live in a suburb of New York where like the parents are really great people are so we love our community but it's so different than when we grew up with the helicopter oping and the text chains with the moms and the where is everybody at every moment every move and the phones and the entitlement and the and the birthday parties and like the I see so many kids running the show like you ever see the the um Caesar the dog what's the dog show he used to do was that his name Eric you know this right it was a show bad it was Caesar Milan Cesar Milan so that dog about about misbehaved dogs and what does it always come down to when he comes in the house to deal with the misbehaved dog it's the it's the owner it's never the dog it's always the owner so his ultimate lesson is about telling the mom that the dog's not a replacement for a child or when you walk the dog don't let the dog walk you all of those lessons like I see that in parenting now these children are the dogs like they are running the show well David we you we made the joke about it having lived with teenage girls it's like we all oh yeah live in fear of our team right someone imagine that someone told me being a parent to a teenage girl is like being an athlete at a visiting Stadium where the fans are you suck get the hell that's a great analogy you got to be strong in that environment though I don't hear you you've got to get a very you're hostile territory but you got to still move through it we move through it [Applause] [Music] exactly last call with Carson daily what I I can't believe it went on 17 yeah it did yeah and I were talking about it yes I did an early season many ulations of my late night show it was on at 1:30 in the morning New York when I did New York we were on yeah and um yeah it was incredible it was incredible fun it it it evolved I was trying to do kind of the um typical late night show in the beginning that really wasn't working for me um and then we ended up just going back to what I love which was music um trying to discover new bands and put give people a shot so when if you were up and cominging comedian or even an actor or a band or some Body On The Rise looking for a break that became like my territory of like hey I used to say this to people all the time like come do last call if you don't and I'll give you the tape and then you can take the tape to get on to Conan or Letterman or Leno or Jimmy that's so people need tape like bands were like I've never done a late night show so we ended up getting a ton of really cool bands to do their debuts um the show left a studio last call my late night show and it went back out on the street I love Dave AEL used to have the show in New York this late night show is one of my favorites so we just did I wanted to get back to my MTV route so just kind of talking to a camera and um and yeah the show quietly just was on forever I think they forgot about us at NBC Oh wait we're still producing well you said it was like the it wasn't even really the late it was like the precursor to the morning was like the warm up after the Today Show we were on before like the you know The floby infomercials started or whatever but it was a really great run and it was so fun to do and you were doing radio show doing the radio show I mean he's always been like the busiest person had fear for losing a job that's not because I Aspire you never complained what I mean you loved it I I do love it I've loved it all there were some moments though 2008 was tough um the economy was bad that year I didn't have the voice wasn't happening it was before I had a radio show I just had my late night show and it almost went away there was a big fight between con O'Brien and Jay Leno at the time and the late night and NBC schedule was up in the air and so I thought I was going to lose that job and my girlfriend's pregnant and that was a scary little time that we all have had those times but then the voice came along the voice 2009 I mean and congratulations by the way for yeah that's been blessing in disguise too I hated American Idol I'll be honest like I coming from krock in LA and MTV and having served a life of having friends in bands that were in Vans and PID their dues and you know this is before social media and you could blow up overnight and go viral so I just am sort of of the age and and era of where like most people were when Idol was so successful on television to me as a music purist in the beginning and this is all crap now because it was just really good entertainment it was a great show and still is it's a juggernaut there wouldn't be the voice if it wasn't for American Idol they went away and then came back yeah like no but at the time when it started I was just like oh this is like a cheat like people are going on TV and becoming famous on American Idol then all a sudden they're on the radio like they haven't even like they didn't have to go to in a van and like they haven't even suffered yet that's how I felt about it so I didn't have any interest in when NBC said we have a singing competition I was like oh F those like I'm like I'm a real and then it ended up being the voice which was a show that was on in Holland and it was on opposite American Idol and had these big red chairs that turned and our differentiation was that we don't make fun of people who sing um because Idol was making fun of people um and our coaches are like real musicians they're like so it was like Adam Lavine was my friend we grew up together in La so r five he was like so I'm like what when I was talking to NBC about what the voice would be like like like well Mark Brett's going to produce it he makes cinematic television at the highest level so I'm like that's that's good who are going to be these coaches because you know that'll that's a lot well we're Adam from Rune five Christina agilera like okay and then like CeeLo and then we end up getting Blake who nobody knew at help in the development well I'm executive producer from D so when I signed on once they told me like they're swinging for the fences to really have this thing be cool and great music and I watched the Holland show and I saw this guy Ben Saunders he's all tatted up he was an MMA fighter and he was singing at Kings on song and I was like okay this is cool this is not American Idol this thing is really cool and that's it all just we coaches are in competition with each other coaches are in competition but they're they're it's like positive it's uplifting they give advice they're not judges they're coaches and then the show from the very first episode um the phone rang the next day and they're like this is the biggest hit we've seen since I think friends or something and oh my God and that was 24 seasons ago Ins at a time when they thought not one other singing competition could ever last because there was Idol There Was X Factor and then there was and we won like four emys so people were respecting kind of the production behind the show which was really cool we were telling you know lgbtq plus stories you know we wanted real people some people would go on other shows and their truth selves The Producers be like no we you're going to be the like pretty little girl that's going to sing like the Taylor Swift character and and the voice like no no you're going to be you and your story is going to be your story if you want it to be you know so that was cool to do that's a huge distin yeah I mean yeah so won it was a hit from from the first mega mega like through the roof hit and we were we were crazy yeah and and then even then you thought maybe it'll last a few years and it's been you know 12 years or something crazy incredible and we still do it we're still doing it and Today Show and Today Show aw know we talked so much about it I just thank you for it I really do I wake up I put my channel for on and um I I just really do I feel like I've known you a little over the years but honestly I really just appreciate and you and I talked about it before you can't create that sort of chemistry it's not manufactured it's a really terrific group we love each other it's disgusting actually I but it's so we vacation together and you can tell you think like a network would try and get like chemistry is something in film like they cast ensembles they want chemistry that's why there's read throughs and they audition process with each other so they can see the chemistry like you can't something that you can't f and so it's just this particular group of Savannah and and Al and Jenna like we're all CRA Melvin we're all like just really close off air I always just love on shows when people make fun of each other makun en you can only do that when your clothes if you really don't like the person you can't they're so fun I'm always jealous of a lot of the food tasting you guys get in the morning bring beer all the time yeah exactly exactly my wife comes on the show I know I've seen her it's crazy know I'm so glad my mother who God Rest her soul she was such a today show fanatic just like you I always had it on in the morning and um I'm so glad she got to see me in that role she was so so what year did you start today I don't know 10 years ago 10 years ago so your mom did get she did yeah and she they flew her to New York she she was on a couple of times and she used to geek out not just being in New York but being around like the Today Show she'd go to the gift shop and buy stuff I'm like Mom I'll get you a mug she's like no but I got to get one for Genie and then this and that I'm like you know in the gift shop again a mug seriously please give that woman a t-shirt um it's fun though and I just turned 50 on the show which was crazy so thank Happ birthday that's been crazy I know yep he was always the baby of of our friend group well that was it was you're 50 it's like all the same it was crazy I remember when when Luke Perry turned 50 God Rest his soul I was 43 and he was on the cover of a ARP magazine which and Luke look so cool and I I remember thinking oh my God this is a the guy that like I idolized on television and now he's 50 so that makes me and I feel like that was the response I got when I turned 50 but like oh my God the like the VJ from TRL turned 50 like life is moving way too fast yeah but you the point is you and Luke make it look good well we got to get you on the cover of thep that's the I don't know whatp really is to be honest with you I think you get discounts something Association of retired persons right or something is it or am I getting I don't know retired people they start talking life insurance they want to sell you like chest to put your belongings in nobody take what I'm saying I don't know i' I I've never really deal on a cruise please let me know my friends I I get a discount now I'm your guy yes want years in though that's all right you haven't used yours I get all the new stuff I'm the new you're the new guy I got extra points I can transfer them dinner reservations at 5 oh always I do that anyway anyway we'll do that anyway we get up to four though if we have to um Carson has his kids last day of school I've never I've never made it I'm usually shooting the voice so when they get off the bus we're going to hit them with water balloons so fun yeah this was so much fun this was too easy too easy I hope we were recording I'm not sure if not I'll gladly come back next time we'll catch up we'll be on the Today Show we we'll I hope so I hope I I hope so you're invited we'll just do it we'll make sure it's recorded thank you both for having me promote barmageddon uh if you want oh it's all right we do a dumb drinking show me and Blake Shelton look so F on on USA by the way USA Network is home of NASCAR and um and uh wrestling WWE so it's a perfect Network for our show that we shoot at Blake owns a bar in Nashville and we just we invite people to come on and talk [ __ ] and play these over-the-top ridiculous bar games and so yeah that shows on it got picked up for second season which were totally in Shock by barmageddon it's fun all right love you both me appreciate CD thank you all right thanks for listening make sure to subscribe and give us five stars and please follow us on Instagram at hey dude the90s called see you next time