FULL Super Sunday post-match analysis & debate | Man United 0-3 Liverpool

three wins out of three at the start of the Season at the start of this new era under Anna slot this is the breakdown 11 shots to eight three a piece on target now Liverpool had 62 shots last season against Manchester United to score twice this season only 11 so far but they've already managed three goals those three United efforts on target all came with the score line already at 3-0 uh they had twice as many runs into the opposition box as well Liverpool though Manchester United for what it's worth EDG The Possession now if you had just walked in hadn't watched the game saw those statistics maybe you might think well it was a pretty even game does that tell the story Roy uh absolutely not no it was far from an even game Liverpool very very good very efficient look sharp gone forward look stronger look fitter uh United listen do you know what you can tryy and dress it up a little bit but United was shocking really shocking um every time Li Liverpool went forward they looked like they were going to score one or two passes they're in on the United's back four obviously couple of big well certainly a couple of big mistakes from an experienced player then a mistake as well at the after the second half 3-0 um yeah not good you know there's a lot been a lot of good P off for United the last few months about plans for the stadium blah blah blah but today in a big game against Liverpool is just I'm just just just really disappointed that United didn't turn up and uh I just think playing for what what playing for Man you what should it be about the G the I'm always surprised when the game's over after 50 or 60 minutes when you're playing for Man United I know you can have an off day and you can have bad days but for the game to be over after an hour it's it's it's hard to hard to accept three goals three assists three games into the season Daniel said it looks like he's really enjoying his football you know talk about world class performance he was brilliant he's a Tre his gold record his little touches his movement and again when you watch them live you see the bigger picture honestly great example you know I really enjoy watching him obviously it's hard to take for United today but you got to give credit where St he is a worldclass player Roy didn't like how stranger had a little bit of ban together you know just yeah I know but I listen I I warned you before you got to say humble and victory and defeat you obviously didn't listen did you has a chat with my old pal that wasn't a chat that was a bro man's thing going on Liverpool going to let him go I'd be surprised to be honest I'd be surprised I'd be surprised I think Mo has obviously achieved pretty much everything he could at the club but I've not seen him happier the way he was speaking then was as if like you know I want to be at the club if the club are going to give him what he wants then he's going to stay that's inevitably what's going to happen but the way he looked there he looked happy to me I've not seen him smiling ear to ear like that before so to be fair I really hope he does stay cuz he's been mag he's in control of all of that yeah I I know the clubs have policies about lended contract when players get to 31 32 whatever Liverpool situation is but he's in total control of that he'll decide what he's going to do whatever contract they might come up with you think they'll obviously have to offer him the contract he's an amazing player but he will have well put it this where he will have plenty of options he certainly will and you see how sharp he is today's talking about almost this kind of freshness within the club uh and let's talk about these goals from a Liverpool perspective first of all Daniel there's loads of time to Pi the bones out of United later absolutely I mean in this moment here we mentioned casemiro earlier on but it's the the cross from MO is absolutely magnificent subers lies awareness to leave it and LU Diaz decisive with the header it's fantastic move to be fair for me I I feel like when you're looking at the numbers here we're seeing five versus three man and they all like sprinters those four that were were coming behind yo jot all ready to fly out the blocks well yeah the thing is you're licking your lips as an attack if you're running at the defense and you see three Defenders five players barreling forward in the end it was too open and Liverpool punished the mistakes you aren't good enough to play like that they can have their fullbacks getting forward like that as soon as they make one mistake against the good teams they you going to get punished we're almost going around in circles talking about it they're not good if Casmir has made a mistake of course he has an experienced player he's got to take a touch in it but he's got he's got fullbacks running ahead of him and it's just not not on just have a look at this as well from dooj Daniel and and the role of the the center forward almost in in this position in this situation y yeah and that and that that's the awareness of him to say I'm going to make a run now I'm making a run that's going to pull the Defenders this way and he's telling everyone where the ball needs to go at the same time absolutely fantastic from him cuz it's an unselfish run as well you can easily say I'm going to peel to the back post and try and score but to do that is third place he just three games into his Liverpool era in the Premier League Anna slot has won at Old Trafford by three goals to nil and he is so cool he is so calm Daniel he seems pretty unfl early stages he seems pretty unflappable he must think the Premiership is easy yeah what a big deal he's making it look pretty easy so far he's a chill guy man I I I really you know respect and like how he's approached it to be fair um specifically when he's speaking to to the likes of us but also the performances that he's he's embedded within the players because for them to pick up his tactics this fast you see the rotations that they're doing now you're seeing the passes going into Salah that weren't there you'd see the rotation explain that a little bit more what do you see as the biggest differences I think that they're on the front I'm not going to say they're on the front foot more but I think there's more rotations within the team there's players higher up the pitch obviously subas Li picking up nice positions in between the gaps you've got passes going from the right back into the midfielder then going into Salah there's balls going from the defender straight into Salah which which wasn't the case prior to that it was maybe more of a transition style this seems like it's a lot more control based um but I like way I like where it's yeah and sometimes we discuss the manager when he comes into a job will take time it'll take time to settle in it take time for the players to get his ideas what what way they're going to play but you're looking today going he looks like he's been here a long time and the players are all up to speed with what he wants the players coming off the bench his decision making and of course when you win everything seem to everything seems amazing in his decision making but it looks like they've all picked up his messages very very quickly and clearly that's the sign of obviously very good coach and if there were doubts within the dressing room what impact would these results have on those players well you can't beat winning and to be fair Sal has made a good point here when a new new manager comes in listen he's replaced an amazing manager a legend an yeah of course exactly but sometimes it's just a new voice for people like Sally who as he said sometimes you do get comfortable whether are you like and subconsciously saw a new Voice new ideas and training he obviously have new staff with him and sometimes that gives the players a little bit of a bit of a lift because Liverpool obviously have got quality players but he's also made a point as well there's challenges to come up now in terms of midweek games travel in Champions League and that's another challenge considering he only got what the only made one signing welcome Jamie carer and Gary nille I'm sure we'll get into the different emotions of that game we'll get into the United perspective as well before uh we leave you but we'll have a look through the goals as a starting point uh we'll we'll Rev visit the first goal scored by Lis Diaz and there was a theme which we discussed with Anna slot guys and that was Manchester United losing possession and the way that Liverpool capitalized by leaving those white players high at the pitch yeah I mean you talk about Liverpool in this fixure last season that's what they didn't do they didn't capitalize on these situations so it's still the same manager more often not the same players for Manchester United so we're seeing the same things talk about players behind the ball the rest defense the fullbacks are really high and when you look at the players they've got their casemiro and Deli to be as Fair as well not the quickest and actually Diaz he does really well there because soos lies just in front of him there's talk of maybe a hand ball as well but the fact I thought when the cross came in initially I mean it's brilliant from moal I mean if that was on his left foot we'd say was a great cross but doing that on his right foot and soosai does well and Diaz does even better to make sure he finds the back of the net you have to give credit to gra bir on that goal as well cuz he want it back and also played the past the cell Gary about this one but the these this isn't this isn't sort of like um you know High pressing or brilliant defensive work Manchester United's in possession play in those deep areas was absolutely terrible they lose it but it's when they loser it's where the fallback is it a setup issue is it a setup issue where that Central Midfield player that that deep pivot is getting the ball they're not Dave they're individual errors they're individual errors that basically are terrible areas you know when we played at United me and Denis would go forward and leave our two center backs on the ball and with Roy Keane and all Paul gos and if they give the ball away we'd been a bit of trouble but they didn't do it that often you wouldn't be that high Gary you wouldn't be that high from that position I don't think so not to two you you have sympathy then with camiro and also kobby Mayu in in what when they're receiving the ball what's in front of them well not simpathy because at this level they expect to they expect to do to do better but it still shouldn't be as simple as when there's one mistake like that when you're 40 50 that one pass somebody Reas in on goal I don't think it should be as simple as that but it is we saw it a few weeks ago we see it again with this one and again they've got to do better look at Manu he's listen he's had a brilliant few months he lose it there and look at this if you just stop it there I don't think that should ever happen once again the two fullbacks they not they're just coming back into the picture if you're a fullback you see on Midfield getting a you should always be expecting to was going he might lose it here but the two of them are out of the picture right I'm not sure honestly cuz as the ball used to travel in to you all SKS it I'd be flying on the side i' be trusting trusting not when he's got not when he's not when he's got his back to play if if I'm facing up the pitch and I expect you to be running of course but he's still not in proper control of that that's what youd say to your teammate unless you see your mate in control of it so you think it's a setup problem Roy a bit a bit of everything yeah I just think if you're a fullback you pass it in you should as a Defender we always say expect the worst expect your May to lose it but they're running back in they're on the outside looking in they should be back inside and then if you see your m in a good position you go listen I can run onto it that's why but I think for I mean it goes on listen there's a lot to get into we get into I mean that so bad from the goalkeeper I mean that awful to let that goal in but I'm G him the eyes but go back to what you're mentioning Dave in terms of what's the plan when they get the ball if you like now I don't think there really is one I think it's a bit like individual player if a Midfield player does something good then he'll find a nice pass in three games under a nice slot I can see two or three things with the Midfield players like for instance today mallister they've got a patter of play going where when it comes to me he goes One Touch he done it three times today that's something that you know you've worked on there was one the one where I said I think in commentary where they play a couple of passes then they get into salah's feet you can see that after three games I don't think there's anything and we're already into the third year of tag that I go that's what they do in that situation and that's why I think they have problems when they're in Midfield you look up and it's a bit like anybody could be in any position making any different run and remember last year United how many home G how many home games did United do last year and we were here a couple of weeks ago and if Fulham were a little bit better they would have punished Man United but the fact is today so United are making the same mistakes from last year they' done it so far to see even at Brighton it was a bit a game of you know who's going to win it you could lose it whatever and you know they're playing that way and again when they do give it away and they make mistakes which is going to happen because teams are going to do the homework like libero said look lad if we win it high up the pitch and we press him the manager said it he says we know there are two fullbacks up the pitch we're going to have we're going to have an extra body an extra and when you have that quality to go with it you will be punished we'll we'll hear from Eric tenh har shortly Daniel do you think there's anything different about Liverpool than one once they were winning back possession compared to previous season I mean Jamie did a big piece of analysis on Monday Night Football about the moment's been a bit too hell to Skelter when they were charging through on goal Liverpool yeah last season oh yeah I think this year there's a there's a calmness there I would say I think that they have ways to get into positions now um but I think it's the new message in and I think just the players have kind of grasped it players are in positions now subers lizing the hole is able to to you know affect the game higher up the pitch um like I said just the the way that they're breaking teams down and playing through they've got ways to play through now before it was maybe rotations with Trent coming in Midfield so on and so forth but for me when I talk about man united I actually think you need defensive midfielders or someone who's very defensive minded to play a 44 in my opinion or four it looked like 424 at times so if you're leaving two guys in there they obviously have to have an immense capacity to run and also defensive minded which is why obviously they signed ugat it's clear it's clear to see do you think ugat Gary would make the difference would have made the difference today playing in that position I don't know where I mean players can make individual errors like casamira did for the first goal nugatti may give a ball away like that at times whether that would lead to a goal or not I don't know the difference for Liverpool for me and why they scored those goals is that last time what we saw a lot of was maybe Nunes on the ball GPO not at his best Diaz the ball fell to Mo Salah Mo Salah is a different level than any of the players that are playing out on that pitch today he's a different level and he's absolutely world class so for me the reason sometimes it can look a bit frantic for Liverpool is when it ends up with maybe Diaz or it ends up with Nunes or it ends up with GPO and they can look a little bit sort of like unorthodox and a little bit raw whereas Salah gets the ball in those two areas and he's just perfect and precise that was the difference jimie he did say to us moal I know you weren't you weren't here at that time he did say to us this is my last season at Liverpool he said I haven't heard from the club well there is a positive I today this is my last appearance at Old Trafford but it almost sounded a little bit like negotiation he didn't sound like nothing Dave stop trying to instigate so he's over there trying to instigate some he said what he said look you answer it but look I I personally I I don't know man I mean I we've just been speaking on the podcast and I actually I think Mo Sal is obsessed a little bit like Ronaldo in in scoring records appearance and Records longevity in the game and I I think for most of us you think when you get to 35 you're sort are done in football I think the way that lad looks after himself I think he's probably looking at maybe playing till he's 40 or certainly late 30s I don't think a Saudi situation if you like is on the cards next season for Mo Salah he's too good a player he's playing for in the best league in the world he's playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and I think whether it's this season or another two seasons down the line he's alongside Kenny D le and Steven jard in terms of the top players to ever play full of him and possibly one of the Best Wingers if not the best wide player we've seen in this league he hasn't got the medals that maybe some other players have got in that uh role so do you fight to keep him of course you fight to keep him so do you throw the money at him well it's not about throwing the money at him when you get a new contract it's not about what you've done in the past it's what you're going to do in the future and more often than not for most players when you get into your mid-30s you can't you can't do what you've done before he might be different now that's where I think the argument will be of course Liverpool want to keep him and vager vanai but it will probably be about wages they still on the same wage that they're at because in the next two or three years we'll be the same player so that that's the debate that we'll be having but I'll be very surprised if Mo Salah isn't playing for Liverpool next season cuz I think he'll want to Blitz every record in the club's history you agree I mean I do I feel feel so why you having to go me for cuz I feel he want you were saying he said he's going to he wants to leave and I'm saying I don't believe that's what I said you said that he's it's his last game at Manchester United that's what he said yeah but what I'm saying is I don't believe that in his mind he wants to leave the club I don't believe that I believe he's saying look show me the money baby that's what I think he said that's what I think he said but he would have great options won't he the options he will have and that would be tempting for him well what you say that right I agree you on a free transfer who wouldn't want Mo Salah but I just think in the Premier League now was so strong and that you if you if you're in the top four in the Premier League you're in the Champions League The Following season you probably got a decent chance of getting to the quarters semis who else has we all say Real Madrid or barsona Barcelona are not the force that they've been they've got huge financial problems Real Madrid be nowhere a level above anyone would they bring him most Sal he's got abroad before hasn't he so his experience going abroad before and again sometimes family decisions lifestyle listen whatever we say whether we like it or not the money does come into it and he certain be getting offered more money than maybe what Liverpool could afford to give him so all that has to go in the mix but when he was here he's he was quite chirpy and quite happy as he would be after a good and he just come the end of the season but fancy just a new challenge D that's all it is of course leaving Liverpool would be difficult for him no doubt about it it's sharpen everyone's Minds because he's been so brilliant today because he's got the season on fire three goals three assists and Daniel was obviously suggesting that he was leaving but I was I wasn't suggesting he said he is leaving I think he wants to stay whats a contract off a very time soon he talks about humility he talks about accepting the fact that they were second best against Liverpool today and he says just at the end of the season we will win trophies still Gary you can't escape the fact this is a massive thump on the nose for Manchester United today yeah it was a bad one I mean when the Stadium's got about 20,000 fans left in at the end in a major game like this then basically it's as bad as it can be and you're 3-0 down I think the impact of taking Casmir off will reverberate around the dressing room because he's one of the leaders just like the Harry MaGuire situation would have done a year and a half ago when someone in your dressing room that's important to the group and has got a voice obviously get gets hooked at halim like that and he's made two mistakes it has a big impact but it's been a really challenging time for Manchester United for 10 years whether you're Anthony an 80 million Winger diaria an 80 million pound Winger Sancho that's just left this week whether it's Marcus rashford is yid that's coming through the ranks who's struggling in this second half and the fans are on to him it's really difficult and managers have struggled not just Eric tenh every manag that's come to this club has struggled and there is a feeling today of are we going to go through the same thing again but I think it's a time for a bit of calm it's an international break which is probably well needed for United But Eric Tag's going to have to get the club into a position sort of challenging for Champions League towards Christmas or he is going to be in trouble he knows that you know he's been influenced to change his team his staff in the summer he's brought two new coaches in that is not always ideal as well so there's new messaging coming in even though he's been here for two years there's new technical directors CEOs there's a lot of change at the club there are a lot of staff that have been here a long time that are leaving as well so look there was going to be some pain along the way of actually if you like interfering with the Glazer ownership we're seeing that pain right here today it's not going to change quickly it's a sobering day for United but one that I think do require some calm because we wanted change of ownership and we've got that and there is some things happening and we have to let it settle in and bed in so you're calling for time and patience quite rightly um we're only three games into a new season but I suppose the question is when could this get difficult for Eric tenh in particular particularly given the fact that they finished eth last season and lost 14 games last season that is well the last week's been different it's not it's not a clean slate in that sense no absolutely not um again finishing eight and the M of games they lost last year obviously they got out of it with the FA Cup that kind of lifted everybody but you look at them fixures but for Man United you wouldn't be taking anything for granted Southampton away you know there was if Fulham here caus them problems um Brighton obviously beat him and all Brighton to go along nicely but every game for Man United I think would be tough particularly again I go back to it I keep repeating myself when you make one or two mistakes and teams are getting out year that easily then every game is going to be a challenge Jamie do you think that this manager needs time to deliver the change that the club is making that Gary's talking about they made some new signings got debuts today or is there a danger that he is an obstacle to progress I'd say the latter I don't think anything's really going to change in terms of the football that we play what we saw there we saw a lot last season where teams are just running at Manchester United's back four I've seen this with Liverpool actually you go back before J klopp came in and it was talk of Brendan Rogers losing his job at the end of one season he wasn't sure what to do FSG and he kept him and he changed his staff exactly what Eric Tag's done here and you'd expect something different the manag is the main man he dictate what goes on here not his philosophy of play how he wants to play and Brendan Rogers was gone in October and I mean Eric tag said in his interview we'll see where we are at the end of the season and yeah it's early days of three games I'd be surprised if he was still in charge at the end of the season because the football the way they're talking about playing Jason Wilcox I think made a statement last season uh about a philosophy of play did isn't one we can see it with with slots in the first three games now that doesn't mean it's going to be successful there's different ways of play playing but you can already see something the way they try and play the the profile of players that they're looking for with man united it just looks a mess of players on the pitch and I and I and if I'm being totally honest I mean mentioned this before but the ownership didn't want to keep him he won the cup final and it put him in a position where they weren't sure what to do so then they were scurrying around Europe speaking to agents and other managers seeing if they could find someone better than Eric tag they didn't feel like they could so they stuck with the manager and they didn't have the nerve to make the change that they felt that they needed to do we know that and listen it's probably delay the inevitable does that make it impossible for him to be successful here Gary look there's no doubt I don't agree with the nerve bit at the end he used the word bottle up there on the Gantry that's why we were arguing for 20 minutes but generally they we don't we don't know about that so well he said that the owner ship bottled it in not getting rid of him what the Jamie said the ownership bottled it at the end of the season up there can you know what he did oh my God how can you say they Bott it they were really open about the fact that they went and looked for a manager to try and replace Eric tag they couldn't find one Bayern Munich had few months to replace tland found it difficult and ended up employing someone it's a third and fourth choice Liverpool had six months to replace klopp and employ an slot was third choice it wasn't easy to get a manager at the end of last season for Manchester United or any club in Europe so you are openly admitting that they were looking for another manager exactly they admitted it exactly so they're looking for somebody else and they can't actually get so they don't want this manager if you're happy with your manager you don't start speaking to other the managers the people you know Bayern Munich and Liverpool they knew the managers were G 6 months before the end of the season manager I know it doesn't matter you have to find somebody if you're happy with your manager you don't start flying around your speaking to agent erh wins the FA Cup and I think it shocks everybody shock shocks inos and they then think well okay we'll still go and have a find if we can have we'll still go and look around Europe and see if we can find a manager they couldn't find a manager that they felt would take the club forward at this moment in time better than Eric ten har could so he kept his job Liverpool couldn't find the manager first second and third time neither could Bayern mun it was it was hard to find managers last at the end of last season a lot of clubs in Europe were trying to look for a manager and couldn't find one inos tried to look for one to replace Eric tag they couldn't do so they decided because he won the FA Cup they would stick with him what part of that don't understand could they have had Anna slot didn't want Anna slot probably they didn't think an slot was a more of a guarantee to take on this club more than what Eric tanar was who to be fair it shouldn't be sniffed by the way it shouldn't be like demeaned that two trophies in two years wining the FA Cup is all of a sudden now a really bad time finishing eth in the league is unacceptable but they've won two trophies in two season unit in United's history there were many seasons where they went years without winning trophies Alex Ferguson it took him six seven years to win the Premier League it takes time sometimes young Club it took five years six years Etta is on a journey of five six years to try and win a premier league if they're winning trophies along the way they should be S in's third season they were in the Champions League final and you could see something building going forward we are if you think I it's not good enough it's what it's not good enough so how long how long why was it why was it going to ch for the fact I'm saying that they they they bottled it in the summer what was going to be different this season just by changing your stuff what difference were we going to see in Manchester United really simply there's a thought process that every manager that's been at Manchester United over the last 10 years is really bad they're not good enough van 10 what's he called van's not good enough rik's not good enough Sol's not good enough mourinho's not good enough Mo you blame glaz you blame Moy is not good enough so what they've tried to do is give a stable platform above him with different people technical directors sporting directors head of recruitment CEOs all changed that actually it might not be the coach that's the problem at the club it might be the fact that they've not got the right balance around them so let's get the right support staff in which is what they've done and see whether this manager can Thrive under a better leadership above him that's what they've tried I don't think that's wrong right do you see progress being made here um no listen you'd be worried for the manager I would never stand here and say I expect the manager to lose his job but the pressure no doubt from last year we obviously remember the FA Cup in the got out of jail in a few Cup in a few the cup games but the pressure must be building whatever say I think when you're playing for the big teams and obviously man united is one of the biggest I i' I'd hate this tag if I was playing that you're a cup team and this is what this team in and that means in terms of League you can't turn up week and week out I'm not talking about challenging Man City or even Arsenal I'm talking about competing with Liverpool uh Chelsea obviously teams like Aston Villa who are at the moment spars are in that mix and at this moment in time you you look at Man United and they're slightly behind him that's to worry for me not not what man city and Arsenal do because I do think it they need more time do you just want to see progress is that what you're looking for is it better performances is it a consistency performances when it first got in we always felt I I know won the F upup pretty quickly and klopp was getting to go there was this element of he had people behind him the field good Factor was coming back but when you keep getting beaten like they did last year at home you finishing eight and you get beaten well today under the back of a defeat against you soon lose that you know as I mentioned earlier when the Stadium's getting empty after 60 Minutes or the game is over that will just be that will build massive pressure for the manager of course it will it's only natural but of course I wanted to turn things around but the longer it takes and the more you come to matches here and you're getting beaten comfortably by one of your biggest Rivals of course the pressure is going to build Daniel what's your take you don't have to be an ex-manchester United player to have a view on what's going on here no I I think from a from a for formation perspective they've gone about this in a way to try and get results in my opinion the the manager you know missing players that he would probably prefer to have his starting lineup so give him a bit of leeway there but I think in terms of how he set the team up today I watched him last week play against Fulham I think it was Fulham last week the game last week the last get Brighton sorry and I was like they're way too open they're playing like a 424 so for me before the game I was thinking surely they're not going to play against Liverpool the same way so I was disappointed with the the way in which the team was set up because I was surprised by it to be honest they were way too open so it was inevitable that the result was going to be a win for Liverpool based on how man united were playing in my opinion there's been lots of changes regarding Ling upstairs or whatever but supporters want to see stuff on the pitch lots of changes it's the same problems but we've seen new signings out there today in in Del and xer as well at the end of a long list well lugat is at the end of that long list and we haven't seen him yet but in the Eric tenh era 616 million so far I want to ask Daniel specifically on on Del and xery do you think these are two players that can take this football club forward I'll be totally transparent I'm not quite sure I think they're players who are good players do I think they're unbelievable top top players I'm not I'm not sure about that but look they're coming into a team where the managers identified these players to be guys who he believes can help the team move forward so at the end of the day xery for me played well at bologna he's got ability delict you know he's been at many top clubs and he's coming to Manchester United to try and change what's going on right now but is he at Peak form is he at the best he's ever been I'm not sure the biggest problem they've got at the moment that Manchester United is not a destination right now for the top players in Europe anyway just isn't over the last 10 years it has been a graveyard for players just generally that have come to the club with big reputations and they've not done well where whether it's homegrown players whether it's National players from Great Britain or whether it's players from International soil one thing that Roy just said there is that when I I came back from Valencia I think in the April I came to a game it was one of Louis Van's last games and I saw the stadium was sort of half empty during a match I think they playing Crystal Palace on like a Tuesday night and I thought that is that is a signal so today they're being 20 25,000 in with five minutes to go is a real problem for Eric tag that can't continue and I think he'll get a few months to be able to get used to these new players coming in holand coming back agat coming in and I think they'll assess it at that time he can't be in eighth at the end of November and going into December he's got to be up there in that top four or five he has to be so was sixth okay I'm I'm deadly serious you tell me for you no you say Manchester United the biggest club in the world would Real Madrid or B Munich except being sixth in their league we're saying eighth that's where we are with man united right now that if he's in eighth in a couple of months he'll be okay you look at this team as well you asked yourself can you hang your hack are they say are they really hard to be are they brilliant in terms of keeping clean sheets you go no they've already open are they brilliant going forward scoring loads of goals you go no they gold record last year was probably one of the poorest in the top half so you're looking to try and hang your hat on something and you come to Old traff you come watch your matches and you're still kind of scratching your head I'm hanging my hat on augat I believe he's a really good signing and I think you've seen the stats how he plays in Europe he's one of the best defensive midfielders it's what they need right now so the reality of it is if you're talking about breaking down play transition all these teams doing all these things they are very open his job and what he's great at is helping defensively I no problem Sor with these players were were mentioned there there and there's lots to go through and the lads again mentioned today there's no doubt these are good players but I think they're coming from different leagues and a lot of obviously from uh the Dutch League that he's worked with before but the challenges physically and mentally in the Premier League I think that's the big challenges no one doubt these are good players and they go and play for big clubs in other leagues but the challenge is the Premiership that physical being at it week and week out and a lot of these players because they're now A Cup team don't seem to do week and week the sign of a really top player and a top team is they turn up every week and even on a bad day they they grinding out the result this team doesn't do it when when you're talking about where this team's going let's go back to the beginning the first player he wanted to sign was Frankie D young as a whole Midfield play we know what type of player he is Liverpool tried to do exactly the same and didn't get there man zuba meni Liverpool then didn't go and buy a completely different player in casemiro to fill that role they've gone with what they've got and obviously we've seen the k situation with casemiro today unfortunately for the lad but that how has that happened where he's in a situation where he's now actually got five players I think he had at ax how are we not seeing his thing the club have allowed him to spend hundreds of millions of pounds by players from the Dutch League plays he's worked with before and we still don't see anything really about where this club's going or a style of p and it's not even just about man united need to win and you know man united should always be competitive but surely a manager now after this long we should see what teams about we see it with POA cogo as soon as he comes in now that doesn't mean they're going to be successful they're doing okay spares we don't know what slot but we still asking qu the same questions of this manager and and to Gary's point he is surely going to get time given that he's been allowed to make more signings of players that he has worked with before and this is with the new hierarchy so he says judges at the end of the season we will win trophies so uh I'm thinking back a couple of weeks the Monday night football predictions Gary do you think that that Manch United will finish above Liverpool this season yeah why not as well might as well I might as well go down fighting and Swinging I'm maner United F I've sat on this Liverpool and City have been outstanding if Jurgen klopp was the manager in the last seven or eight years Liverpool have challenges during this season Liverpool are a better team than Manchester United at this moment in time of course they are but I'm going to back my team of course I'm going to back my team why not Roy I'm I'm going to stick with United I have to you just say just to say it now we looking you just say it just to say it bro relax just relax let's say let say say I think you know who we're getting a top four hey we're only three games in aren't we so exactly he wants him sacked an said himself we are only three I want him to stay