Clay Travis: Kamala Harris has been a 'disaster' as part of the Biden admin

KNOW. JACQUI HEINRICH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. FOR MORE ON ALL OF THIS, LET'S BRING IN RICH LOWERY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE NATIONAL REVIEW, CLAY TRAVIS, FOUNDER OF OUTKICK, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. CLAY, WE'VE SEEN FLIP-FLOPPING BEFORE. WE SAW WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE POSITIVE FLIP-FLOPPING BY BILL CLINTON AFTER HE WAS SHELLACKED TWO YEARS AFTER ELECTED PRESIDENT IN A MIDTERM ELECTION HE SWITCHED TO THE CENTER. HE WENT ALONG WITH NEWT GINGRICH REPUBLICAN HEADING TO CONGRESS AT THE TIME ON WELFARE REFORM. HE CUT CAPITAL-GAINS TAXES, BUT YOU CAN ALSO THINK OF THE FLIP-FLOPPING OF JOE BIDEN WHO CAME IN TO THE PRESIDENCY IN 2020 CLAIMING TO BE A MODERATE GOOD OL' JOE. WOULD GO RIGHT DOWN THE CENTER. HE HAS BEEN THE MOST LEFTIST PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME. WHAT WILL IT BE WITH KAMALA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT ARE YOUR BEST INSTINCTS? >> IT IS NORMAL TO MOVE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE AS YOU GET CLOSER TO AN ELECTION TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEPENDENT VOTERS. THE PROBLEM WITH KAMALA BEST PREDICTOR WHAT SHE WOULD DO IS WHAT SHE ALREADY HAS DONE. SHE HAS BEEN A SASSTER FOR 3 1/2 YEARS AS PART OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. IT IS NOT SHE IS MOVING TOWARDS THE CENTER, SHE IS COMPLETELY REVERSING POLICIES SHE ARGUED AGAINST FOR YEARS. SHE NOW WANTS TO BUILD A WALL. SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT MANDATES FOR EVs. SHE NOW SUPPORTS FRACKING. SHE THINKS WE SHOULD FUND THE POLICE, INSTEAD OF DEFUND THE POLICE. IT IS ANOTHER THING TO MODERATE YOUR OPINION. IT IS ANOTHER THING TO FLIP THEM. SHE IS A CHAMELEON, DISHONEST POLITICIAN EVEN BY DISHONEST POLITICIAN STANDARDS. MORE TIME AMERICANS SPEND LISTENING TO HER, THE MORE THEY SEE IT. DAVID: BY THE WAY, RICH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HERSELF ABOUT THAT. SHE HAS THIS INTERVIEW COMING UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE A HARD BALL QUESTIONS TO GET A REAL ANSWER FROM HER ON THIS. SHE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNIST NOT THE SAME WAY BILL CLINTON WAS AN OPPORTUNIST, RIGHT? >> BILL CLINTON GREW UP IN ARKANSAS AND KNEW WHAT IT TOOK TO APPEAL TO CONSERVE LEANING VOTERS, ACCOUNTED FOR HIS SITUATIONAL POLITICS AND CAUTION AND COMPROMISING NATURE. SHE IS NOT THAT. SHE IS A LEFT-WING VACUOUS OPPORTUNITIESIST. SHE IS BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. CLAY IS RIGHT. PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THEIR POSITIONS, SHE CHANGED 10 THINGS IN THE SPACE OF A MONTH WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WITH HER OWN WORDS. ANOTHER THING TO HENRY WALLS, FELLOW TRAVELER ON FDR'S TICKET BECAME AN ANTI-COMMUNIST. WROTE BOOKS, TOOK DECADES FOR THE TRANSITION TO OCCUR. DOESN'T HAPPEN IN MATTER OF WEEKS UNLESS SHE IS TRYING TO GAME THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. DAVID: SHE IS NO WHITAKER CHAMBERS. CHE, THERE IS A DARKER SIDE, A POSSIBILITY, I PUT THIS OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY, KAMALA HARRIS'S FATHER, MARXIST PROFESSOR. HE IS STILL ALIVE. HER DECEASED MOTHER WAS ON THE LEFT. I MEAN, I THINK OF FIDEL, I USED TO COVER LATIN AMERICA. FIDEL CASTRO CAME IN, THE REASON HE TOOK OVER POWER WAS HE CONVINCED ALL THE BUSINESS SECTOR IN CUBA THAT HE WAS AN ANTI-COMMUNIST. THAT HE WAS PRO-CAPITALISM. SAN TODAY NIECE AT COULD IT BE E DARK SIDE ALL THIS STOCK IS JUST TALK AND SHE WANTS TO GO REALLY FAR TO THE LEFT, EVEN FURTHER THAN BIDEN HAS GONE? >> WELL I THINK CERTAINLY, IF YOU LOOK WHAT SHE IS SAYING SHE WILL DO WITH THE TAX CODE. TAXING UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAINS, RAISING THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX RATE TO 45 1/2%, RAISING OVERALL MARGINAL TAX RATES, THESE ARE VERY LEFT-WING ACTIONS. I WOULD ACTUALLY ISN'T TO YOU THOUGH THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH KAMALA HARRIS I DON'T THINK SHE REALLY UNDERSTANDS ECONOMICS THAT WELL LIKE MANY DEMOCRATS. IF I COULD WAVE MY MAGIC WAND ONE RULE HAVE TO BE IN PLACE FOR EVERYONE WHO IS AN ELECTED POLITICAL OFFICIAL IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE AND CERTAINLY AS A PART OF KAMALA HARRIS OR DONALD TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION IT WOULD BE THIS, DO SOMETHING I THINK A LOT OF YOUR VIEWERS HAVE DONE. HAVE TO MAKE A PAYROLL. YOU HAVE GOT EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PAY MORTGAGES, YOU HAVE GOT A BUSINESS THAT HAS TO MAKE MONEY, YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAY YOU SPEND MONEY DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU EVER HAVE HAD TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF AN XCEL SPREADSHEET, OKAY WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM TO PAY EVERYBODY WHO WORKS HERE. KAMALA HARRIS HAS NEVER HAD TO DO THAT. SHE HAS BEEN A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE HER WHOLE LIFE. DAVID: I WILL DISAGREE ON ONE POINT. YOU CAN STILL BE AN ECONOMIST AND BE AN IDIOT. >> I WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT. DAVID: HER FATHER SEEMS TO BE PERSUADED. HE WAS ECONOMIST, AD STANFORD FOR GOODNESS SAKES, HE WAS PERSUADED BY MARXISM. THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE POLICIES. TAKE THE EV MANDATES IN PARTICULAR. AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED, THEY HAVE LOOKED AT EVS IN COLD WEATHER, REALIZED THEY DON'T WORK AS WELL. THEY DON'T GO AS FAR AS GAS-POWERED, THEY REALIZE EVs WEREN'T WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE. HERE IS WHAT KAMALA SAID ABOUT EVS A WHILE BACK, ROLL TAPE. >> WILL EVERYONE HAVE TO DRIVE ELECTRIC CARS? >> BY MY PLAN, 2045 WE WILL HAVE BASICALLY ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES ONLY, 100%. DAVID: BUT PEOPLE, RICH, DON'T WANT IT. I CONFRONTED PETE BUTTIGIEG ABOUT THIS. AGAIN THIS IS INDUSTRIAL POLICY. THIS IS MARXIST INDUSTRIAL POLICY. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. THEY HAVE GOT THEIR FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND THEY'RE STICKING WITH IT. HERE IS MY EXCHANGE WITH BUTTIGIEG ABOUT THE EV MANDATES. THIS WAS LAST DECEMBER. ROLL IT. >> I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT AMERICANS IN 2050 ARE STILL GOING TO BE DRIVING THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY, THAT COMBUSTION TECHNOLOGY THAT WE INHERITED. DAVID: AMERICANS LIKE IT. AMERICANS LIKE IT. >> THE BIG QUESTION IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHOEVER GO BACK AFTER THEY HAVE GONE ELECTRIC. I THINK THAT REALLY TELLS YOU SOMETHING. DAVID: GUESS WHAT? MAKENZIE AND COMPANY, IT IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION, CAME OUT WITH A STUDY SAYING 50% OF EV OWNERS SAY THEY'RE GOING BACK TO GAS BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE REASONS, BECAUSE OF A COLD CHICAGO WINTER WHERE EVS DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE COST, RESALE VALUE SUCKS ON EVS. THEY HAVE, AMERICANS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO DO WHAT PETE BUTTIGIEG SAYS, OH, DEFINITELY, THEY WILL DO. >> EVs FOUND A MARKET. IT IS AN EXTREME NICHE. AFFLUENT PEOPLE, SECOND OR THIRD CAR WHO THINK A TESLA IS REALLY COOL FOR UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS BUT THAT'S NOT MOST PEOPLE AND MOST PEOPLE WANT THE CHOICE. THIS IS ANOTHER FLIP-FLOP THAT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING KAMALA HARRIS WROTE IN A COLLEGE OP-ED 40 YEARS AGO. NOT SOMETHING SHE SAID OFF-THE-CUFF IN AN INTERVIEW WHEN SHE WAS, THIS WAS A CORE COMMITMENT A CORE POLICY COMMITMENT THAT SHE IS CHANGING ON AGAIN WITHOUT EXPLANATION. DANA BASH COULD DO NOTHING ELSE IN THAT CNN INTERVIEW ASK THEM TO CHANGE THE POSITION AND RUN OUT OF TIME. SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET TO ALL OF THEM. DAVID: CLAY, DO YOU THINK WE WILL HEAR SOMETHING? DO YOU THINK HER FEET WILL BE PUT TO THE FIRE GOD FORBID IN THE INTERVIEW? DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP WILL BE ABLE TO TICKLE ALL THESE CONTRADICTIONS OUT OF HERE DURING THE DEBATE? >> THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE DANA BASH INTERVIEW WILL AIR ON CNN. IT IS NOT LIVE. SHE WILL NOT HAVE RUNNING MATE WITH HER, TIM WALZ. IT IS EASY TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO FILIBUSTER IN RESPONSE TO MANY QUESTIONS. SO I THINK THE QUESTION ON EVs IS A GREAT ONE. I'M GOING DOWN AS MANY PEOPLE ARE, GOING TO BE TRAVELING OVER LABOR DAY. I'VE DRIVING TO THE BEACH. I CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE BEACH ON AN EV CHARGE. I DON'T WANT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE BECAUSE I WOULD LOSE MY MIND IF I HAD TO STOP FOR AN HOUR AND TRY TO CHARGE MY VEHICLE OR WRITE IN LINE TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PULL IN A GAS STATION, FILL UP IN FIVE MINUTES, KEEP GOING. I HAVE GOT THREE KIDS IN MY CAR. I DON'T WANT TO WORRY WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO STOP. WHETHER OR NOT THE CAR WILL BE ABLE TO BE CHARGED. I THINK THAT IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT, IT AIN'T AS EASY AS THOUGH SAID, IF YOU'RE DRIVING A FEW MILES, IT IS EASY, YOU CAN DRIVE YOUR CAR OVERNIGHT. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DRIVE DISTANCE, IT IS NOT A GOOD THING. >> CHARGING STATIONS TRYING TO BUILD THEM, LAVISHLY FUNDED BUILT SEVEN OR EIGHT THEM. NO ONE EVER SUBSIDIZED IS A GAS STATION. STOP THERE THREE MINUTES. DAVID: THE MARKET FOUND A WAY. >> BUY A BAG OF DORITOS, A COKE AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY. DAVID: THAT CAME UP FROM THE MARKET. SWITCH TO RFK AND TULSI GABBARD. RICH, I GO TO YOU ON THIS, RIGHT NOW HE THOUGHT HE WAS BEING CLEVER, PULLED HIMSELF, PULLED HIMSELF OUT OF THE STATES HE KNEW TRUMP WOULD WIN, KEEP IN THE SWING STATES. NOW THE SWING STATES WHO ARE TRYING LIKE HELL TO PREVENT HIM FROM RUNNING IN THEIR STATES, NOW THEY WANT TO KEEP HIM IN BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WOULD PULL FROM TRUMP. HOW IS THAT GOING TO END UP? >> WE HAVE RANK HYPOCRISY OF PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRACY TRYING TO KEEP A CANDIDATE OFF THE BALLOT, SILENCE THEM. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MOST COMPELLING PART OF HIS SPEECH LAST WEEK, THE FIRST TEN MINUTES, GOING HOW RIGGED THIS PROCESS IS. LOOK I DON'T THINK HE HELPS TRUMP HUGELY BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HELP BY A PERCENTAGE POINT IN LOT OF THESE STATES. 10,000, 5000 VOTES COULD MATTER A LOT IN PLACE LIKE PENNSYLVANIA OR MICHIGAN. DAVID: CLAY, FINALLY, THIS HAS TO BE THE LAST QUESTION, THE FACEBOOK REVELATIONS THAT WE HAD, THAT THEY REALLY WAS CENSORSHIP. WE ALL KNEW IT. >> YEAH. DAVID: WE ALL SUSPECTED IT. FINALLY IT IS OUT THERE. IT LED US BACK TO A 2022 CONGRESSIONAL HEARING OF MAYORKAS AND SENATOR HAWLEY WAS ASKING HIM WHETHER THE DHS, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WAS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THESE ORGANIZATIONS FOR CENSORSHIP. I WANT TO PLAY THAT GET YOUR REACTION. ROLL TAPE. >> WE HAVE EXAMPLE OF A EXAMPLE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION COORDINATED APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO A FEDERAL COURT BY YOUR AGENCY, PRESSURING, COERCING SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO ENGAGE IN CENSORSHIP. IS THAT CONSTITUTIONAL? >> THAT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE. >> IS WHAT THE EMAILS SHOW. >> IT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE, SENATOR. DAVID: WE NOW KNOW IT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY SO. IT IS UNEQUIVOCALLY TRUE. WHERE WILL THE PRICE BE PAID FOR ALL OF THESE LIES ABOUT CENSORSHIP AND SPITTING IN THE FACE OF YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT? >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK THIS A SINGLE ISSUE FOR MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A ROBUST MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY REACH THE BEST POSSIBLE CONCLUSION. SO FOR ME, I THINK FOR TULSI GABBARD, FOR RFK, JR., I THINK FOR ELON MUSK, THERE IS NOT UNSUBSTANTIAL COTERIE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ALMOST WILLING TO VOTE ALMOST ENTIRELY THE, NOT WHETHER THEY AGREE WITH CANDIDATE, JUST WHO WILL SUPPORT FREE SPEECH THE MOST. SENATOR HAWLEY QUESTIONING OF MAYORKAS THIS IS EVIDENCE OF WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT THROUGH DEPUTIZATION THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE DO WHAT IT ITSELF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT TAKE DOWN YOUR FACEBOOK POST. IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEMAND FACEBOOK DO IT EITHER. DAVID: WE'VE SEEN LIES FROM THIS GUY BEFORE. TO SEE THAT FLAT-OUT LIE NOW COMPLETELY DISCREDITED. WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE IT WAS A LIE. IT IS AMAZING THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THESE THINGS.