[Music] you are now tuned in to go time dolphins with Charlie touche and Kadeem Simmons the Miami Dolphins podcast that's for the fans and by the fans got to make them lose mind when it's your and it's your going all out when it's go time I ain't wasting no time got to make them lose mind when it's show time cuz it's your time L it on the line when it's go time go go don't waste no time so I Charlie if he's ready he says live and ready but we're not live today so for everyone tuning in this is one of if not the most anticipated podcast on across Dolphins channels I think it's fair to say the um quarterback ranking list and especially when you know ESPN drops their quarterback ranking list for 2024 and Tu doesn't make the top 10 and when Chris Sims puts out his list and all that kind of stuff I could say here for ages and we could talk about a whole bunch of things but there's no need we have so much to get through so many different list to get through so Charlie tou how are you it's go time Dolphins the Miami Dolphins podcast that goes not only across the pond but across the world I'm your boy Charlie tou got my co-host Kadeem Simmons with me it's always for the fans and B fans your favorite podcast favorite podcast and official Affiliates of Fanatics well you could be a fanatic of your favorite franchise gotta love it kadim um listen man it's a quarterback ranking episode for us and and the GTD platform and go time Dolphins it really kind of I want to say put us on but it it gave us some legs a few years ago and I think it's because it's so what I think y'all say this um this word different in in in London y'all put like the different emphasis on different syllables um controversy y'all say controversy we do yeah you say controversy like controversy yeah controversy oh maybe it's a different word I'm looking for go ahead what you got so I say it's controversal if the different tenses May it's a different word I'm thinking also so you said a vers earlier we do say pref freed like pref freed is something we say in the UK as well all right this guy but look we always get a guess on on the on the quarterback ranking episode and it went from one guess to multiple guests on the quarterback ranking episode but we can't do the quarterback ranking episode without the original guest from the quarterback ranking controversy sherro St family here on go time Dolphins GTD affiliate matter of fact when we do the intro over to go time dolphins and you see the got a mega l m With It Go time we're gonna start having like the the GTD Affiliates somewhere in the background you know what I'm saying just flashing and you know what I'm saying sherro Steve bro how you doing I'm doing fantastic it is it is the favorite episode of the year it's um yeah it's it's it's great I love uh debating Talking Football talking Dolphins but this uh this is some good stuff looking forward to it you uh the other day you asked me hey did you do your list and I was like yeah and you were like yo this was like the hardest year to rank the list and I ain't gonna lie there's some truth to that it was a little more difficult than usual does that mean that the quarterback position caught up to the rest of the positions you remember it was under saturated at quarterback Once Upon a Time now there's I don't want to say an abundance of quarterbacks but it's it it does it feel like it's caught up to the rest of the positions yeah 100% I think now more than ever uh in least recent memory um there's guys that you can win a Super Bowl with UM and you can go pretty far down the list and I don't think we could have said that a list or two ago it's like top 10 for me now it's like whoa there there's guys in the second third man maybe in fourth tier that you're like if you surround him with the right pieces and you get him on the right you know if if all everything lines up Stars the line for him you're like I I could see that guy winning a chip it's it's I I I don't I would have said that years ago kadim I felt like once upon a time maybe not even four years ago there weren't there weren't um 32 NFL quarterbacks in the NFL and doing putting this list together maybe there still isn't 32 NFL quarterbacks in the NFL but it's way more than what there used to be before and maybe I could make the argument that that there's officially 32 starting quarterbacks in NFL you know these dudes are legit starters but uh they're just not as good as some of the others what were some of your uh speed bumps or hurdles that you had to overcome making your list so Peak behind the curtain part of the reason this episode is coming out when it is is because people were mesing me back saying I need to take another day or two to get this list together because it was so difficult and I think for myself and I think even I'll mention him Tom Valentine from PFF was just like you kind of get to a certain number around like the 18 to 20 and then you're just like it's a who's who of who am I going to Chuck in there I think in previous years when you said one quarterback per team that's easier could you just go through every single team and go okay fair enough you the best x y and Zed but when you kind of take that away and you go into top 32 that's where you're just like this gets interesting because there's backups out there who arguably should be starting this season there's starters out there who arguably should not be in the league anymore so I think that's what probably the biggest speed bump was I got to around 17 18 and I was just like I'm not throwing in names for throwing in names sake but someone who's like 18 could easily fool to 26 depending on agre the receivers around them and stuff like that I think that's that's what made that's what made it so difficult for me so I also notice for me I think this this episode be became a thing because of the the doubt around Tua and now that Tua has put together a few years that I thought that he could put together I'm like this is my quarterback I don't have to defend him no more he's he's doing he's doing better for himself right like I think his play defends him defends himself itself uh the list became a little bit more fun like I'm like dang how's this person number 12 or here but six here like so it it opened up some new things for me but then I seen Sherrod Steve's list and I'm like but how how are you going to explain this bro you know saying like like like just as a friend I'm like bro you know this makes no sense whatsoever right so without further Ado we're GNA share all the list um shout out to lonr made it doing the graphics for us uh it's part of the reason why this uh uh episode came out a little bit in slow motion but shout out to lonr put the the graphics together for us shout out to everyone who participated in our list they don't have to they willingly Do It um and we appreciate their time because it it does takes time away from uh whatever you're doing in your regular life to try to put a list together for uh go time dolphins and then potentially come on the episode to defend it so shout out to everyone who participated I don't want to go through all the names we're about to go through all the list I don't want to forget a name but let's let's see a couple of these lists uh well let's see all the list kadim and and see where we start first so we'll start with Josh casker the same old Dolphins podcast um so yeah again if you're not watching on YouTube this is probably the worst episode to not watch because there'll be a bunch of Graphics going to look amazing and you can kind of you know we ar going to name every single quarterback on this list but you know we'll go through some of the I guess the most prominent one so I don't think you'll be surprised that patri Mahomes is number one and I'm 99.99 sure per sure that Mahomes is number one on every single list like I said in the previous episode if Mahomes is isn't number one on your list then I can't take it seriously like I just don't know what we're doing anymore um but to round out his top 10 so Mahomes number one Josh Allen number two Joe burrow number three Lamar Jackson CJ stra has gone from being a rookie to top five in the NFL Jordan love number six Tu Tang OFA number seven and then the rest of from I guess 8 to 10 Matt Stafford Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence sh R Steve as you are not even our guest you know you basically live here but what do you make of I guess the top 10 so far are you on mute see you on mute see see it's been so long that that you forgot how we operate my bad my bad um top 10's uh top 10's okay it's um you know it it it looks a little different than mine but I don't see anything Trevor Lawrence at 10 um I don't think a lot of guys are going to have him in the top 10 on most list and that's my guess I haven't seen uh the other list so um that's probably in the top 10 the one that stands out so uh what stands out for you uh kadim and we won't go through the whole list because it's up and everyone can see it uh and if you're audio listener this is a reason for you to check out everyone's list we'll probably go through everyone's top 10 but you got if you really want to dive into where everyone is on everyone's list you're gonna have to uh uh find it for yourself on social media or on YouTube but what's stood out to you about Josh cas's list Kad um Anthony Richardson in 13 in 13th that's one I was like okay rating in really really highly of a somewhat limited sample size but yeah Anthony over Jaylen Herz Brock per Brock pie Kurt Cousins I was a bit like okay that's quite interesting um and then outside of that I guess it's no actually think that's it I think that's the only one where I was like okay that's interesting that's that everything else for the most part made sense to me because as as I said before number one stands out and then between two and 10 the order doesn't matter too much it's kind of like the same names and then after that it's just a you know fing darts at a dart board essentially go ahead Steve 32 Caleb will bro that was mine right there like I was like and I know rookies are are harder to to gauge you know what I'm saying but what stood out to me the most about Josh's list was Caleb Williams coming in 30 second I'm like I don't know I don't know Jos this is not a shot you know what I'm saying like they're going to come on the podcast we're going to talk to everybody and honestly there isn't nobody and and I might be I might be uh you know bad being a bad host right now but I'm not shocked at anyone's list and I don't think that anyone had a bad list except tom Valentine I KN I knew that coming except tom except except tom but but but Caleb Williams at 32 for me I was I was I like I don't know bro like what we doing you know what I'm saying I thought Caleb would be a little bit higher on people's list especially since I was the person who came in with the rookie last year and CJ strout and put them higher up than everybody else I just had to put that out there too just just a little pat on the back just just a little bit what you got kadan no and and to be fair yeah the Caleb been I think rookie down the bottom of the list doesn't really surprise me because it's a complete unknown um so that's why I wasn't that's why I didn't stand out to me I don't think he is the worst of the 32 quarterbacks but at the same time sometimes Tom just surprises you and if he has a bad season it wouldn't shock me that's why I was like yeah Richardson to me was the one bit like H but but but but and I don't want to I don't want to go on this too long because we got like nine other list to go through but it was Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels was in front of them you know what I'm saying so like like in my like so that does that mean that the bears picked the wrong quarterback you know what I'm saying so that's that's a question for Josh though you know what I'm saying so that's why I was curious but who we got next so it's only right to stick with the same old Dolphins podcast so Aaron casar and yeah quickly going through them Mahomes number one like I said he's number one in everyone's list and then the top 10 is Josh Allen Joe B Lamar Jackson Aaron roders Matt Stafford Dak Prescott Jordan love Jared gof and Jaylen Herz so Aaron does not have are in the top 10 um two of fools 12 on A's list and then yeah again Steve Tua doesn't make the top 10 does that surprise you no uh not at all and it's man it's not against Tua it's not a knock against him I I think this this list was really difficult because there's a lot of good talented quarterbacks and and there's different styles too that's and and that's what makes this list really tough too because I think a lot of people whoever um makes their own list you have a preference maybe you like a more mobile coreback you like maybe a more pure passer so so that's why the list will vary just for that it's just preference um but just this overall list doesn't surprise me CJ Stout is maybe a little low um lower than probably most lists and it really Justin Herbert is what stands out on me in this list him being at 14 um middle pack just Justin Herbert 14 Trevor Lawrence 16 um I like this list I'll just say I like this list this is this is a cool little list and and I'm be honest with you the casker brothers and and I say this all the time when they come on the episode and I'm like yo my favorite dolphins episode after go time Dolphins is same old dolphins and I think it's because they just they they they're authentic very authentic um and I I I respect their takes whether I believe in them their takes or not like they're still good takes I'm I don't really I don't really rock with that take but I respect it so um to say the unpopular opinion like Justin Herbert at 14th and Trevor Lawrence at 16 I'm here for it especially when they when they when I know that they could can uh actually defend their their take so um but same thing you were saying Steve everybody has their own uh what they would want in a quarterback but you about to say something Steve yeah we have a Joe Flaco sighting oh man I didn't even notice I didn't know where we at 28 is this the only list with that that's that's actually a double dep right there uh FL and Winston on the same list I did not even hey hey that's funny that jamus Winston and Joe I did not even notice shout out to sherro Steve for finding that I think I I'm I'm I'mma put money on it and say this is the only list that Joe Flo made but maybe he could have made a couple more lists I'm just saying yeah Miss Winston that's funny before we go into the next one I have a question anyone surprised that Aon Rogers is so high up at number five no I'mma say no because I I know between the three of us I know I have a different take on what Elite is I believe once you are Elite it is you're it's like a Hall of Famer you're never not a Hall of Famer no more so I think there are only two Elite quarterbacks in the NFL one in Patrick Mahomes one and Aaron Rogers I think those are the only two Elite quarterbacks now whether Rogers still plays like an elite quarterback is another thing and then he got hurt last year I am not one to bring someone down on the list too too much for injury I.E y'all seen where I had two of last year he was my second rated quarterback overall um and then he he he was hurting the two seasons ago so I didn't really move him for injury Joe burrow got hurt last year we'll see why I have Joe burrow this year um no spoiler alerts so same thing with Aaron Rogers I can understand if someone says well he was hurt we don't know what he's gonna look like when he comes back you know what I'm saying so I'm I'm here for that Steve anything on I would just be number five no I expected to see him as high as five maybe even a little higher on some list and then I expect to see him in the mid teens on list so I he's one of those guys that um probably would um you know go either way he he probably has the the the widest margin um he's he's got to be like a top three guy probably I'm guessing if you were to really um go through all the list yeah it's I think I struggled with Al wers a lot which why not that I found surprising but I was like okay Al Rogers top five and I think again as we go through this go through this list you will notice that Rogers you know is as high as top five in others and then quite far not like you know in the 20s and stuff like that but in the teens and again it's just you just don't know what you're going to get from Aaron Rogers and Aaron Rogers with the East raford Paper Planes as well you have no idea what you're going to get so that was quite interesting for me anyway who else we got what we got next so I thought we would go with Charlie but Charlie Wilson so Charlie wson um his list and I think it's easier to go through the top 10 and then we'll pick out you know what surprises us so again Mahomes number one Lamar Jackson number two Joe borrow Josh Allen Justin Herbert that Scot CJ stra Matthew Stafford Caleb Williams and Jaylen Herz and then Tua comes in at 13th on this list um above my Trevor Lawrence Aaron roders and that's it yeah so Tu 13th um I guess Charlie will start with you what stands out for you on this list and also think so quickly I think it's the first time we see Michael pck Jr and Sam Howell make the list first time Michael penck Jr made a list will not be the only time Michael penck Jr makes a list um but what stands out is Caleb Williams in the top 10 which this will be the highest rated rookie quarterback we've ever had in our quarterback rankings he's just rated so high at top 10 um and then I want people to understand the criteria the criter is ranking these quarterbacks given they had the best offensive line for their skill set the best receiving core for their skill set the best play caller for their skill set and you had to take them for the next two seasons that's what in in encompasses or is what is encompassed in the criteria so shout out to Charlie Wilson with this this cayb William T being top 10 um Tu coming in at at 13th Sam H might this might be the only list Sam H makes I ain't gonna lie to you but I'm not shocked at at at anything once you go from like 11 to 28 I could understand like we we don't really know and again what sherro Steve said at the beginning of the episode it's not like you can't win with those guys it's just um you you you can see success coming from people in uh in that range Steve yeah I agree I think this list is I don't want to say conservative but there's no uh Real Surprises besides uh Caleb at night kale bet n definitely is the only name to me that really pops and Sam how yeah he's not going to probably be on many other list either yeah it's it's yeah I think conservative is probably the correct word or the word I would use you look at it and it's just very much a case of okay solid list Williams at nine wow but outside of that it's yeah it's just I think it's a fair list and it's not a bad l it's just there's not much to really add I guess um I guess to quickly talk about it Michael P Jr at 31 do you reckon that's a fair assessment given who's on this list not overall but given who's on this list do you think Michael pck Jr at 31 is a fair ranking Charlie all right I'll spoil a little bit I got Michael penck Jr on my list as a top 32 quarterback in the NFL um I don't believe in Drake may I don't believe in JJ McCarthy I have very little faith in B Knicks you know what I'm saying like if I'm being honest with you I probably should have put Sam how on my list over Bo Knick spoil alert b Nick makes my list you know what I'm saying so some of these lists are very creative I'm not mad at Michael pennick at 31 whether too high or too low Steve yeah I agree um it's I mean he's a super talented guy that uh is really interesting and it's it stinks that we're not going to probably be able to see him crazy bro unless Kurt Cousins gets hurt I mean that's crazy he's just getting paid too much money to um to you know be and he plays poorly and I I don't think anyone sees cousins playing at poorly enough to be benched I don't think I don't see that scenario so I see it only being injury um is the reason he's going to get on the field in the next two two years three I I appreciate Atlanta having the is to make a pick like that and pay a quarterback over $100 million and then take a quarterback in the top 10 in the same draft like hey it's the NFL we've been around for 100 years might as well switch it up something's gota something gotta shake so I like it Atlanta definitely definitely definitely I think next up will be a fun one because his name was mentioned earlier and I think this is Charlie for you is this PO what were you thinking list in Tom Valentine's so Tom Valentine of PFF quickly has Mahomes at number one Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Justin Herbert Joe Barrow Dak Prescott Aon roders Matt Stafford Jaylen Herz and CJ strad as a top 10 Tua comes in at 17th um yeah Charlie take it away bro no listen listen it wasn't shocking but I'm like is he doing this on purpose like I just W to know I just want to know is he doing it on purpose like bro do you really believe it like you know what I'm saying and I can't wait to have him on because Tom is another one you know when we have uh uh Affiliates of the podcast come on sherod Steve we could go back and forth honestly I almost called sherro Steve before we even got to the podcast to talk about the list like no bro we gotta do this now you know what I'm saying but but like I I know me and Steve could do that same thing with Charlie Wilson You Know Me and Charlie Wilson have a connection with MMA um and the casker brothers we have a great report to to to be transparent with the the audience me and Tom we never talk except for when he's on a on a on a podcast seems like a cool dude and we go back and forth so for us to go back and forth and every time we see each other and still have a a a respectful relationship I appreciate him as a human being and not uh being so passive about his takes I just don't believe he really believes that Tua is a seven is ranked 17 bro like I don't believe he believes that bro I think he's just doing like let me let me give this to Charlie and see how he reacts so before was over over to Steve I I know Tom I've known Tom for going on 10 years now genuinely this is where your ranked to are like genuinely like I can't I wish I could say like he's doing it for you Charlie like oh like like he hasn't paid me no money to like defend him he genuinely genuinely believed that Tu is a essentially middleof the road quarterback um the only time me and Tom not disagree but kind of have like a strong back and forth is when it comes to TWA like our opinions of him are so different but yeah Steve I want I was going to I thought see but I wouldn't even ask the questions that I have or or even tip my hand on what I'm going to say to Tom but I have some questions that I just taking everything within me not to say right now you know what I'm saying um but Steve what is it about Trevor Lawrence falling from Grace on everyone's list almost everyone's list and Herbert stands so high up on everyone's list because in my opinion it's almost the same same thing like they're name brands and Trevor Lawrence was a name brand and now people are starting to catch on to hey Trevor like you got to take this hit and it's reflecting on their quarterback list but yet Justin Herbert is dodging all the bullets and staying in people's top fives what how is that happening Steve no we had one list I think Herbert was at right right right right yeah we had a couple L we still have a couple list but yeah we did have a couple where he fell out the top 10 my fault no it's simple Herbert was in a terrible situation he had the worst coach in the NFL in my opinion like the worst that guy was lost he had nool take this picture down kadine please I gotta see Steve better he had the worst coach in my opinion in the NFL like the guy was lost he just he lost control um it was just ugly he was just he was Reckless it was it wasn't pretty and now he has one of the best an elite coach and it's going to show it's there's just that that's the real reason you're going to see it the guy has all the talent in the world the guy has a great head on his shoulders like there's it's hard to knock on this guy and you're saying he hasn't won yet he he hasn't won yet because it's a team game and you got two wide outs that never stayed healthy ever like how many games did Williams and Kean Allen uh you know play average each year I mean it was a joke so I just have one question Steve just one shoot why wasn't Tua afforded that same excuse everything you just said Tua uh um inherited exactly the same way you know except except Herbert had better teams than Tua did the first two seasons okay and and who had the better team last year Tua okay what did Tua do oh what yeah what did he do he led the league in passing with 4600 hold up hold up since you asked I'mma answer he led the league with in passing with 4600 yards and in seven games of the 16 it's 16 16 games 17 17 17 weeks right or 17 games 17 games yeah all in seven games of the 17 uh weeks right seven seven of 17 games I got it I got it I got it let me land the play let seven in seven games of the 17 potential games there were blowouts and he either didn't have to throw the ball in from the third quarter let alone the fourth quarter could or was benched or the game was just blown out and now the script is done so he had 4600 yards would have easily been a 5,000 yard quarterback if the games weren't blown out if well sorry we blew them out we don't have to we don't have to throw no more hold up hold up hold up hold on hold on hold on let me give you the floor 5,000 yard quarterback how many middle of the road quarterbacks have thrown for 5,000 yards outside of jamus Winston I was just about to hit you with that um no I mean it this is clearly there's a lot of educated people that submitted list that watch football this is just called the eye test if you want to get lost in the analytics that's fine but you can defend pretty much any quarterback with analytics I can asked what he did I answer the question I'm talking about like playoff wins I'm talking like what play how many playoff WIS Herbert got what did Herbert have his rookie year he he threw for all right crazy stats his rookie year yeah yeah yeah so so how how how does that that invalidates your excuse though if he if he did in his rookie year how come he couldn't do it after that he had well he didn't have same because coach and and people surrounding him that's it I'm going I'm going to interject very quickly on my opinion on the Justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence and to a less extent to a situation I think when Tu and Herbert came into the league du was coming off the injury Herbert was kind of seen as this are the Chargers really taken him here because he didn't do that well in Oregon but people just fell in love with the Y and that kind of the prototypical quarterback look but Trevor Lawrence was kind of seen as like this can't miss Prospect guaranteed first overall pick all my days literally not my not even my words Jesus Christ of the NFL like had a long flowing here all that kind of stuff and it hasn't panned out and I think because of that people are just going you were meant to be it but you're not he just sliding down list for other people he's staying High because of what he done at Clemson so I think when it comes to basically our list Justin Herbert tends to stay quite High because people didn't really expect too much of him coming out of college yes he got picked six overall but no one really thought he would be the Rookie of the Year and essentially play the way he's playing compared to Trevor Lawrence I think essentially people expected Trevor Lawrence had the career that Justin Herber has had plus more wins and because Trevor Lawrence has not been a boss but hasn't lived up to expectations he's just sliding on everyone's list to the point where people are like maybe we just overrated him coming at Clemson you know I think we should continue going through the list but I will say this that's a great question when you said hasn't met expectations how many quacks meet expectations like if we really to go the good ones do okay the good ones do so two has met your expectations Charlie as of to day my has two of my expectations I would say they are where they should be that's a no that's a no you thought about too long that's what you mean no no no I had to word it the right way because you're gonna kill me if I say it wrong so I had I had to get the right words so yeah like he did not not he didn't not meet my expectations like yo I I he still had to overcome the quarterback that sabotaged his career and injury you know what I'm saying the incompetence of of of the people they put around everything you said about Herbert except he still performed and outperformed and overperformed and would have been uh in a in a in a category where there's only Hall of Fame quarterbacks had he played in third and fourth quarters of last season so I'm okay with that we didn't win we haven't won Playoff games I get that you know what I'm saying but that's where I say it's a team sport all right on this podcast you you guaranteed 35 touchdowns like two years ago he hasn't that I said last year last year I didn't do it the year I didn't do it the year before it was last year either way and then we were going to be rocking Rings right now no no no I said listen I said 2024 I said 2024 it's 2024 let me talk man all right go ahead so you're telling me that he's exceeded or has met but there was a lot of like just out like you were confident about this man's going to do this this man's going to do that yeah and he's fell short but you'll you'll hang on to that passing yards like it's like it's a Super Bowl chip like come on man calm down this man has underachieved just and that's not it's everyone everyone's expected to win that's it right like it's it's very simple Lamar Jackson he's he's failed under expectations thus far with two MVPs just because the ultimate goal is a CH and that's how you're you're judged in currently and in history on on chips if not winning a Super Bowl if not winning a Super Bowl constitutes as a failure of a season every single time there's no reason to have these conversations everyone fails every single year I I am not of that belief I think you can have a successful season and still win a Super Bowl might not sound uh sound might sound like a participation trophy type of thing but that's not where I'm going with it I do believe Tua has met my expectations he hasn't exceeded them I said he would win a Super Bowl during his rookie contract the latest is 2024 which we just so happen to be in by now however if we had a comp competent head coach we would be a head of schedule but we did not have a competent head coach or a owner that happens to step down from all his other businesses so he could focus on the Dolphins more I don't know if y'all heard about that y'all heard about that that news Steph Ross is gonna be involved in the Dolphins more and I don't know how much I like that because it sounds like some Jerry Jones stuff might happens you know what I'm saying and every time you hear Stephen Ross's name with the dolphins it's a tempering thing like yo bro whenever I heard Stephen R's name in the past two four years it's been to sabotage my quarterback I don't appreciate that so if we just go by the last two years Steve when there was a competent front office I like where my quarterback is at and and bro you cannot lie Steve the arrow on Tua is going let's do it for the camera is going this way it's going up the every single year Tua has gotten better and better and better and better and better and we about to go into this this Fifth Season 2024 and we're gonna have a parade like the Panthers did let's just get your list man let's just there there there's still more there's still more yeah let's let's speed it up a little bit let's just do top 10 and point them out real real quick DC Kai kit shout out DC Kai kid has um Patrick Mahomes number one um be me two text yeah Home's number one t number two this is the highest T has been so far Josh Allen number three Lamar Jackson Dak Prescott Brock pie CJ stad Javid goof Matt Stafford and Joe Barrow and then I guess notable mentions are Jaret stum bonck and I believe aen OK Conor I think I think Conor appeared once before but definitely Javis to him I think it's the first time he's appeared if I remember correctly what' you got for us Steve this is the worst list [Laughter] yet the straight yeah the um I mean I I obviously I've looked through the whole list here but I mean just the top 10 alone is is just I mean Joe burrow at 10 Joe burrow at 10 that's that's a wow um Aaron Rogers at 19 19 okay like I he's an old man but this is I mean and then py at six wow I mean that I just this is head scratching I ain't G lie I ain't gonna lie we did kind of say speed it up Steve but look I'm G say this real quick I'm G say this real quick maybe and I cannot speak for kid but maybe the injury of Joe burrow like yo he haven't been performing the past couple years and like yo I could I could see that not my it's not my list I won't defend K kid he'll come on and say what he has to say maybe we could have uh uh sherro Steve come on the same EP episode you know what we need kadim we need sherai Steve music when sherai Steve comes on the episode it's like WWE and oh it's sherai Steve you feel me that's what we need so we can have Tai kid 305 talking about his list and then you hear the Sher Steve music oh sh Steve coming out you know what I'm saying like that's what we need you know what we need everybody to have music like Kai Kid 305 needs his music The casker Brothers need to have a tag team and they can wear the belt you know what I'm saying like you feel me all right but that's all I got and then Tom could be the Intercontinental Champion you know you feel me but uh but yeah let's get into the next list so next up is lb lb has momes number one I think we seen the trend of T at number two um Lamar Jackson Josh Allen Joe Barrow Dak Prescott aan Rogers CJ stra V now high as he's been on jayen Herz and Kurt Cousins again honorable mentions M Jones at 32 exciting can he pick it at 31 m Jones at 32 I think that might be the only time both of those guys appear in the qu ranking list in 2024 and it is insane because as we mentioned it's not one quack from every single team it's top 32 I don't see a world with those two guys make a top 32 list but it's not my list I can't say much more also first sighting of Ryan tanhill I think so it's funny how Ryan tanah Hill make the list because I do believe Ryan Tan Hill is better than Kenny piy and makoko Jones uh but it's still how funny how they both made that list uh and you said this is the highest CJ St been I think someone has CJ St at seven if I uh um might maybe even six so I think he's been highed already CJ Str but uh what you got for us Steve on this list yeah just two at two is what stands out on this list um and yeah the bottom of the list is kind of funny but um yeah you know nothing other than that uh pretty I don't know consistent with everyone else I suppose I Like It Cool Justin Herbert 15 Trevor 16 I BR I'm just saying like that's that sound pretty logical to me and and and that's not even what my list look like but that that's more reflecting of what I thought it should be if I'm being honest right next up we have B and B for some reason actually you know what it doesn't matter I'm talking to myself right now so Bert's list uh I'll quickly go through it pet Mahomes number one Lamar Jackson number two Josh Allen Dak Prescott Joe Barrow Matthew Stafford T Tang ofala CJ draad Brock pie and Jared gof one thing I will say to you B we said 32 people your list at the bottom has at number 30 G mchu and AD at 31 Sam darnold and JoJo M JJ McCarthy and a 32 jab and bonix no offense I think we need to avoid this l because sorry and at 29 Jobe B and Drake May dude we said like 32 you've got like 367 what are you doing here that this should not be allowed I'm just saying strict 32 yeah bro what's funny is uh when he made when he sent this list they had emojis next to him too like next to the name oh oh man bro that oh what you got about this list Steve um this one's not bad this one's um this is one of the better list in my opinion I mean yeah that it's cool y'all y'all y'all come on to the uh audio listeners come on to YouTube if there's ever episode you going to watch the YouTube episode uh you got to watch this one so you can see everyone's list in its entirety and how Bert somehow managed to get 40 quarterbacks on the top 32 quarterback list but who we got next kadim uh your boy story um story yeah so stories list uh we have this might be the only list that Jimmy G makes the list bro and I know story put Jimmy G on this list for me bro like like like yo this is the first year you were invited to the back rankings and there's you might have your invitation revoked because Jimmy G made this list bro there's no way so I'll go through this one uh kadim Patrick Mahomes burrow Lamar Jackson Aaron Rogers Josh Allen Matt Stafford Dak Prescott Justin Herbert Jaylen Herz Brock pie Tua comes in at 11 this is about the third list where Brock Pie has made the top 10 does that surprise you uh Steve um yeah top 10 yeah yeah as wild it's a little it's like that's interesting to me that and what I appreciate about all these lists if you could take this down kadim what I appreciate about all of these lists and everyone who participates yes we're mostly dolphin fans and everyone isn't a Dolphin fan who who participated in this list let's say there's 10 lists there's probably seven dolphin fans I think um different walks of life people the demographic changes older younger so I appreciate how everyone's everyone's perspective on these lists that's why it's less hostile for me like I'm like these lists aren't as bad as they used to be when we were talking when we first started and shod Steve somehow managed to to keep the status quo of you gotta be kidding me but we'll get there eventually yeah I think yeah for the list again start the list um not much more to add so I believe we have three more left myself Charlie and Steve so I will bring up my list and quickly going through the top 10 my homes number one borrow number two Lamar jackon Josh Allen Matt Stafford two comes in at six Dak Prescott CJ stad Brock pie and Trevor Lawrence that's my top 10 um I don't think anything stands out in terms of like names we haven't seen just yet but guys take it away feel free to rip my list apart won't be any ripping but what you got for us Steve yeah I'd like to make one comment that um not just this list but many others didn't have Justin fields at all I find that to be very surprising uh he's not a top 32 guy that's um I don't know Steve I I do I I get it you know what I'm saying like Justin Fields is still playing High School football where he's the biggest fastest strongest on the field so he rather not throw the ball and then he runs it all the time so I can understand that bro but he made my list I'm just saying but I I I see how Justin Fields could not make a list I don't know there's a lot of especially at the bottom man we've had some a lot Jimmy G there's a lot of guys I'm like all right I okay um overall though kadim this is yeah man this isn't this isn't too bad I'm I'm surprised um the Tua and Justin Herbert surprised me a little bit I didn't know that's that was your view I thought you had um as in you didn't think I'd have two of that low or two of that high uh Herbert that low is it's both it's both two are that high higher than two are that much higher than Herbert is what he's trying to say but he just didn't say it that's fine I think go it'll be an interesting situation over the next few years with Justin Herbert I just think same way and to be fair I probably should have flipped Herbert and Trevor Lawrence if I'm looking at it now but overall same way if Trevor law is falling down people's list because he hasn't done much in the NFL Herbert has had some round moments but I can't sit here and have Justin Herbert top 10 if what's he really done and again I know I know right now Tom is going kadim what you doing but it's a case of again there's only so there's only so long can go that's a great throw that's a a wow moment that's amazing before you go okay now can we put it all together over 60 minutes and can we do more so I think looking at looking at this now I probably should have put Jared G at 10 Herbert at 11 and Trev at 12 I'm annoyed of myself at that but outside of that I think where where two is don't know I just think there's guys better than him but I still think he makes my top 10 so yeah you're you're a believer in will lvis uh I ain't gonna lie will L at 21 is Blasphemous I think I think like I said earlier once I get to like 18 19 20 and Below it's just like yeah I I can't genuinely I can't say and be like yeah we'll live Us number 21 because it's a case of if I do this on a different day he probably fools two or three spots I think that's why for me it was the hardest year because I sent in and I was like I'm not happy with it but I can't keep chopping and changing it because at some point you just got to send it in the one thing I would say is that Watson nearly didn't make my list I was just like what just bring that up I think again it's remember the last time obviously he's had so much stuff going going on in his life but at some point when are people going going to say have you been anywhere near average since he left Houston he hasn't he's stunk and to me 31 I could again I could make make a point where he doesn't make the top 32 I ain't gonna lie bro Deshawn Watson was one hopping passes last year I'm like this is not good so I can see how some of these guys and and going by the criteria we're not saying who's the best athlete of a quarterback you know what I'm saying we're just saying for the next two years who you taking I can see deshun Watson falling down people's list and I remember when the first time we had this conversation or maybe second time I can't remember maybe first time we had this conversation it was oh deshun Watson isn't on people's list uh imagine if he was on this list he'll be in the top five and then what Far From Grace is real yeah that's all I'm saying absolutely crazy to be fair I thought you guys were going to rip my list apart so I think that's a victory like your energy I think I think Steve I think Steve has already uh said kid 305 has the worst list I'm telling we gotta get now I I I I did not say that K kid and it is not my opinion I'm just saying but uh we gotta get we gotta get the WWE music going like everybody gotta have their own music I would like that a lot be with me as I just get Charlie's list will save sh leave for last uh yep perfect perfect perfect so next up is Charlie touche and I know for a fact Steve is looking forward to this one so Charlie touche Patrick Mahomes number one hey can I can I do my own list can I can I can I do my own list please I got Patrick Mahomes one Lamar Jackson 2 Joey bullets 3 Tu ning Mano ol po Tong of four CJ St number five rain Dakota Prescott 6 Josh Allen Aaron Rogers Jared G Matt Stafford notable Justin Herbert 11 and Trevor Lawrence 14th what's up Steve what you got about this list you oh you know what hold I'll break it down real quick and then I I'll give you the floor um I will say this this is the first time in Charlie's two shade tenure of go time dolphins that we have seen regression from Tua I I think he kept climbing he kept climbing he kept climbing I think he uh even his trajectory like I mentioned earlier is going up and to the right you know what I'm saying more yards more touchdowns more accuracy more air yards number one in all these categories but I have to be fair and I have to be honest uh Joey bullet got hurt and I can't use injury as a excuse to slide someone down for five spots like all right Joy bullets you're on the clock I'm be real with you the same way Trevor Lawrence hasn't shown up the same way Herbert gets excuses and I don't give these from the consensus I don't give them same the same excuses they slid down my list it's time for Joey bullet to do something everyone goes to oh joy Joey bullet I need to be clear Joe burrow Joe burrow is is oh he's he's the second best quarterback in the league at Once Upon a Time was but I don't know if he still is or not and I need to see it and now that I haven't seen it in so long it's hard to to justify so now he's third on my list and I ain't gonna lie to you if I don't see the real Joy bullets please stand up soon he's gonna have to take a a dive too Lamar Jackson This goes against everything Charlie T touche believes in being second and the second best quarterback in the NFL but two MVPs and when he played the Dolphins he had to make throws that I did not think he could make consistently and he did against us so as much as I dislike having a quarterback that isn't a genuine passing quarterback in the top five he still has to be accounted for and I think that running ability kind of skews the list because he's not a a a a great passing quarterback but he's a a two-time MVP on a team that is is a juggernaut of a team year in year out so that's how Lamar Jackson made it to number two uh something else that I that's worth note for me Josh Allen uh is seventh on my list and I I'll tell you why I used to have a car all can can we bring the list down please can we bring the list down can we take down can I just say you're defending your list before Steve even gets to it Charlie we noticed that Steve should have got to your list before you got to defend it that's all I'm saying keep going it's not a you're justifying where you're putting people before people could even get to it Steve am I right oh yeah no he knows exactly who I'm coming after him with he like that's that's it I I I'll give you the floor after this I used to have a car all right it was a real sexy car I ain't even gonna lie every every time I drove the car everyone's always looking at me like yo that is a whip bro I'm like thank you appreciate it you know talking about but I knew there was something wrong with the car and I also knew if I took the car out too long I'll be ended up on the side of the road and I'm have to get a tow truck I'm like a this is bad you feel me so I could only go so many places with this car so fast so I had to go hey I only got I only got a couple hours before the the car turns into the pumpkin you know what I'm saying and I got to get it back to the house that's what Josh Allen is bro I can never depend on the card Josh Allen is super sexy and he does everything you think he wants him to do until it matters and then he'll fumble the ball on the one yard line in the fourth quarter like or then he'll throw a game ining interception to a uh Pro Bowl receiver or he'll one hop a pass at the five yard line and couldn't get it in or he'll fumbled a snap at the end of a game and couldn't even get the pass like bro he's not there when you when you need him the most so all the other stuff in between the 20s doesn't matter bro and that's why my my list reflects where it does with Josh Allen what we got fellas so so Lamar Jackson I don't was he even in your top 10 last year I don't know I can't tell you that would be interesting that's what I wanted I and I couldn't find it um I don't know why but um it it doesn't make sense to me you you you're preaching about to a by the way was number two and Joey bulletz was never number two on your list you you mentioned he was the second best quarterback I don't ever remember you acknowledging that but okay we'll play along um it's it it just doesn't make sense why Jackson jumps so high one you can trust him this guy has been pretty awful in the playoffs um Josh Allen has not been awful in the playoffs he's actually shown up and he's he's performed pretty well over overall Jackson has done awful I mean it it was a joke and and the thing is against Baltimore or the when the Baltimore played the Chiefs last year what was the biggest knock about that game the game plan because they didn't run the ball they put it in Jackson's hands like hey hey bro you got weapons you got a good line you're you're playing at home you're the everyone knows he's going to get the MVP at this point if he already didn't have it um when they played and he stunk and I know they had a slight chance but overall it was bad it was just he he just he choked so how is that man jumping up to number two on your list of all people too because this wasn't like this this someone that you really had high all a sudden you just got him high it doesn't make sense make it make sense to me please I'm not a Lamar Jackson fan but I try to be unbiased when I go through these lists when I when I have to sit there and I know I have to defend the list I'm unbiased as they come I would like to think he's the MVP for a reason what makes it difficult to to put Lamar Jackson rank Lamar Jackson is that he's not a good passer but his position is quarterback so now he has to go somewhere on this quarterback list and if you take Lamar Jackson off of the Ravens or out of these some of these games that he keeps them in it's it's just different and it's like that everything you just said oh he look what he did in the playoffs well he's not this he can't do that everything you just said about Lamar Jackson all of the the cons about Lamar Jackson's Lamar Jackson every other quarterback has similar cons or or some cons that that you could add that is a knock on that quarterback and that's why they're not number one there is not one quarterback in the NFL sherro Steve that um if he played perfectly that he would supersede uh Patrick Mahomes there's nobody in the in the NFL if they he played a perfect season and had 40 touchdowns and 5,000 yards and seven interceptions and the best passer rating you would consider better than Patrick Mahomes so it's just not Patrick Mahomes is that good so now every other quarterback has knocks on him like yo he hasn't done this Herbert lost a 28-point lead in the playoffs Herbert hasn't won a playoff game this person won Playoff game but look what he did when he when when he lost in the playoffs like I don't know if that's fair but that's why we're ranking quarterbacks the way we are ranking them with the criteria we didn't get to your list yet Steve but go ahead continue yeah I was gonna talk about Tua um obviously so you have him dropping which is interesting yes um I don't numbers wise he's he had more wins than he ever has last year he had more passing yards all the the numbers are all up everything is as you put it where the going up right this is going going up why how is he dropping then tell me why he's going down when you told us earlier how he's going up all his stats are nothing yeah very quickly go when when I put up your list genuinely one that was the first time I had seen it two I thought I made a mistake cuz I was like there no way to was to is at number four like when you were likeit I yo i' I've messed this up like awful production I genuinely didn't realize that you had dropped two but at the same time I genuinely can understand it i' be interesting to hear your your reason for why you dropped him because I can see a scenario where even someone like yourself who last year had him number two in a year where two plays even better than he did previously he dropped theist bro I have to be unbiased I I'm bro I don't do stuff just for I'm not skip balis they call me slick Bist in the in the uh in the in my group T chat like bro I don't do stuff like Tom Valentine like he just does it just to do it just make people mad listen I genuinely believe like yo there's I cannot justify losing to the Ravens and Lamar Jackson winning MVP yeah you had injuries there are things that like there's circumstances that could could could couldn't be avoided I get that but at the same time Joe burrow was injured like is he going to come back the same Joe burrow I would like to think I have to give him that benefit of the doubt so therefore you got Tua where he had a situation A circumstance where there's five games all you got to do is win three of them and we're going to go to the playoffs yeah we lost like 12 people I ain't goingon liot of you it was super bad and we're going to have a home playoff game you g you have all that it's there at your feet I think you have to find a way to win one of them games somehow some way I understand if you can't but at the same time when it comes to go time Dolphins rankings it's gonna have to be reflected not only that we have something in my go time dolphin fans and Affiliates called easy money right every week I pick the easiest bet there is to make in on the Dolphins prop bets sometimes it's money Lin sometimes it's two or throwing two touchdowns or more whatever most of the time it's t over a touchdown and a half it is just the easiest prop bet to take it's like yo this is money until it's not money and I caught a trend doing easy money where I'm like yo this is not a safe bet anymore and I got off of the tour over a touchdown and a half before it it killed us and I think there is a distrust in coach McDaniel and Tua inside the 15 when it comes to throwing touchdowns I don't know why and I don't know if it's true or not this is just me observing as a fan as a student of the game and as a t believer I'm just observing rahee mosa has 18 touchdowns on the floor right uh uh uh Devon aan coming in touchdowns on the floor the passes that tour makes in the in the end zone kind of feel like you remember this kadim when uh Tyreek H was wide open on the one yard line but he wanted to spread the ball around you know what I want to get jayen w a touchdown because he's been out for a couple weeks I want I want him to have some fun with this you know what I'm saying like he doesn't pick the best touchdown the best options with the ball when it comes down to Red Zone and I noticed that doesn't mean I do not believe In Tua doesn't mean I don't think he's the one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL I I really do think he's the best one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL but for this list and we we talk about the next two years he just lost all kinds of weight and I said it in in uh one of the previous episodes we have never ever ever ever ever seen in the NFL a quarterback change his body type in such a short notice and have success with it I don't even know if we ever seen it at all let alone have success so as a fan of the Dolphins as a Believer In Tua and someone who wants to see him perform I don't know what that's gonna look like when Tua loses so much weight switches it up McDaniel not throwing the ball inside the inside the red zone no more I have no idea what they expect and that's why he's fourth on my list y'all made it seem like he's 14th on my list bro sarro Steve I I hope you have your life over there you know what I'm saying I know you struggling over there for all the audio listeners y'all don't got the visual but sherro Steve going through it online but um you want me to pass it I pass it kadim you go first and then let sherro Steve get get his his his his breath back but after I said everything I said what do you think now no again it's genuinely I would have been disappointed in you if you kept to two too and again not because he had a bad year but just because you know PE behind the curtain I think even you was like after the last Ki was like I could have had Joe burrow at three at two I could I could I could and again I can make in case I can make a case right now today so you said peek behind the curtain let's and let's be transparent last year I had two2 and Joe barel three and this year I have two four and Joe bar Joe Burl three and I can still make a case for two of being three and Jo bro four because Jo bro got hurt so it's hard to rank but it's not intentional or unintentional a bias or unbiased like it is me really like yo what do I genuinely believe and there's a question that I am adding a wrinkle to the quarterback rankings this year that I will ask Steve after we get to to his list but and it would put everything into perspective and it'll come full circle why I still trust Tua to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league but I'm glad you still with us you was choking up a storm over there you all right bro yeah I'm good I'm good so what you got did you have him Mis ranked in previous list Tu yeah the only quote unquote Mis ranking I would say was I could have had Joe burrow second and Tua third that's it last year I could have had Joe BR second and Tua third turns out Tua had a better season than Joe BR last year so it was ranked appropriately okay and and just to go a past comment of I couldn't defend myself excuse me you said uh oh do you want him to get more touchdowns in garbage time oh oh you hold up let's be a private text message me me and you talking about right that's no it was on the episode you said uh yeah okay all right you mentioned it saying like oh he came out of the game so many times and blah blah blah oh that's because all right right all right let's let's clear this let's clear I man touchdowns okay all right good against the Chiefs how many touchdowns did he throw I don't remember was it that's that's where I want more touchdowns those games where the lights are the brightest and he just didn't have four or five touchdowns like we needed Steve don't you think every quarterback wants that though like that's and I think I said that last time like don't you think every quarterback Elite guys have those games the elite so I never said two was Elite okay your term of elite but you have't I I did not say Tua was Elite bro and and I I and I I will stand by Mahomes and Rogers are the only two Elite quarterbacks in the NFL I do believe Tua can become Elite but I don't think he's Elite right now I don't think neither I don't think Joe bur is Elite I don't think no no other quarterback in NFL is Elite other than other than the two that I said and even with that being said the best of the best quarterbacks have performances that they wish they did not have to have you know what I'm saying like dang bro I I wet the bed that day you know what I'm saying I wish I did not wet the bed that day so it's not like and and for whatever reason me maybe it's the fandom that that people take it out on oh this quarterback isn't getting us over the hump like yo this quarterback look at the ad adversity this quarterback had to face and yeah we we didn't he didn't throw a touchdown that game but it was 10 below zero and and he had two people on the field that started and all kind of stuff you know what saying so I don't think that's fair to just say the same even if you flip it yo Tom Brady has a ring because uh of uh Malcolm Butler's interception on the two- yard line like okay that's the opposite of what we're saying so it's like are we really gonna give credit to Tom Brady for that or or a lack of credit for Tua because he didn't perform well in a in a playoff game I don't I don't think that's accurate and last thing I would say before we get the year list because we're running on time Pat McAfee shout out to Pat McAfee an actual NFL player who was an actual punter uh put this out there he said yo Andrew Luck was our quarterback so if Andrew Luck comes back with a minute left in the game scores a touchdown puts us up uh four to win and I come out and shank a punt and then the other team scores because I blew it Andrew Luck doesn't get credit for that comeback it's the same thing like it's just how you consu stuff so I'm like H we got to look more deeper than that and that's why I think the criteria is what the criteria is what quarterback do you trust and matter of fact Steve before we get to your list we will do this right now I said there's a wrinkle in the quarterback ranking list and here's the wrinkle and I and I I I I I'll set the table real nice and I'll ask you first kadim before we get to Steve's list and then we'll go into Steve's list and and his answer fourth down and eight one minute left in the game season on the line This is it what wide receiver in in today's what wide receiver today would you rather have would you have throw would you throw this ball to you could pick any wide receiver we're not talking about a quarterback at all it's Fourth and eight you got to get this first down one minute left you're on the fifth who do you want to throw this ball to you you can pick any receiver that's playing today h finally so I would eliminate immediately Tyreek K and Jayla W like the ball no like no I get it I get it like you can't trust their hands we don't know if they're gonna come down with the ball but go ahead I I think realistically I think even Steve said it it's probably Justin Jefferson I can't imagine there many better quarterbacks in that situation sorry W wide receivers in that situation you would watch you would put your you would put your faith and your trust in to come down to the ball especially even if it's like a a 50/50 ball I'll be like yeah he'll if if I Mis throw it and it's not perfect I trust him to bring the ball down and you know keep the drive going so I'm gonna go Justin Jefferson all right and for those who don't know Steve also said Justin Jefferson and I'll let him tell us why but before I'll let you tell us why uh Steve this is why I'm asking the question I'm ask this question to everyone who's going to come to the episode about quarterback rankings and this is the new wrinkle what what receiver do you want running this rout for you who can create separation who's going to catch the ball who's gonna try to get this extra yard who but it's who's gonna go up for the ball all this stuff what receiver do you want my answer is Devonte Adams it's just for my dollar I want it to be Devonte Adams why is it Justin Jefferson for you uh shro Steve because I seen him do it in Buffalo right there was it was game on the line um one hand snag Kurt Cousins over through it a 50-50 ball like pass he had like 5% chance of catching that ball when looking at it live and it was incredible so uh I would I put Devonte too um so it's yeah we're we're not far apart here but I just seen Jefferson do it and he's he's just he's the man right now the reason why I asked that question and the reason why it's a wrinkle in a quarterback ranking conversation is because it's followed up with what quarterback do you want throwing that pass fourth and eight game on the line season on the line one minute left right and I'm not going to ask what quarterback y'all want but that has to be in your mind when you're doing a quarterback ranking so when I rank Lamar Jackson like dang bro I don't want Lamar Jackson throw it at Fourth and eight you feel me but there's nuances where all right well Lamar Jackson might not have it at Fourth and eight you know saying it might be a fourth and two because of his abilities you know what I'm saying but I will say this I want two with throw on that pass like on everything I love now I I ain't going to lie to you we seen it we seen third and 12 and through two or throws a touchdown we seen fourth down and and twoa throws it but I will say this before you come in uh we also seen Tu or thow the the the Buffalo Bill pick and then the the uh Green Bay pick but every quarterback in his career has has done that game on the line throws a pick we every single one of them has done it but fourth and eight game on the line one minute left I asked what receiver y'all want you know I wanted Devonte Adams if I had to pick a quarterback to throw that fourth and eight I'm comfortable with to being my quarterback Steve can I inject very very quickly yeah go Ahad the reason I said no to two it wasn't even those two two t you mentioned we was all there in Germany we was all there in Germany was like Hey game on the line I've got a flight to catch but take it to overtime I don't know how how many chances you want to but one of those there was the throw there was the so for me right now I I can't pick two yes he's had moments where you know he been able to do it but we was all there live in a St we just like hey Tua you blew it like I but but but did Tua blow it or did Tua get the respons the blame for blowing it like we don't know that Tua blow it like we see the play develop we seen the bad snap we seen the wrong route it looked like but we don't know who who blew it we we don't but we also know that if we're picking a quarterback in the that's way possible it's Mahomes Mahomes is probably the only one you're picking the situation no I don't want Mahomes throwing that pass I I I pick Aaron Rogers over I take Mahomes fourth and eight game on the line I'm taking I'll take Aaron Rogers before I Steve let's get to your list because we could do our whole I'm justr avalanche on go ahead go ahead man go the final list Sher rde Steve as it comes up um number one Patrick Mahomes number two Joe borrow Josh Allen Justin Herbert Matt Stafford CJ stoud Dak Prescott Lamar Jackson Jordan love Aon roders two are comes in at 11 and I guess noticeable names there's not I think at this point we've gone through every quarterback around basically there's no one new on this list that we haven't discussed already um as we knew Justin Fields was going to be on this list he comes in at 20 what I will ask very quickly I know because Charlie f is ready to get to this but um isn't that Justin Justin Fields over Russell Wilson that's obviously the they can battle in Pittsburgh right now do you think field wins it this year or this more just projection and then you reckon Fields will be able to show why he were taken so highly previously and essentially beat what Wilson for this job I think Wilson will get the job just because that's what they need they need a guy to not turn the ball over and just not lose the game so Fields isn't that and um Fields just he has a higher ceiling and he's more of a you know he's just a superior Talent at this point in his career I don't know I don't I don't know bro I have a hard time believing that Russell Wilson is finished I don't I don't believe that and and even I think I ranked him too high on my list obviously before last season so my list reflects that I don't believe he's finished but I think he has receivers now in um Pittsburgh that he wasn't in the best situation in Denver he's in a better situation now it's one year he has somebody knocking on his door behind him we're going to see what Russell Wilson has left right now this is it for us uh and Justin Fields is like I seen Justin Fields not throw the ball like he doesn't throw the ball he he is a high school quarterback in a grown man's body that that option left option right option left option right like it is that that can't win in the NFL bro I can't do it with Justin fields and I wish I wish he was better uh but let's get to the meat and potatoes of this and I think I seen it maybe on a couple other list but since it's sherro Steve I got to treat you like the big brother bro why is Jordan love above Tua on this list bro Jordan love is ranked ninth and Tua is ranked 11 how is it that you trust Jordan love more than you trust Tua I don't understand that can can we bring the list down please so everyone can see sh s well let's let's let's talk about right now um he has a superpower I know we repeated this but seriously let's besides his accuracy which is great Al great he's a phenomenal accurate accuracy he he can put the ball there but after that if you were to say what's his next superpower his s's second best superpower Charlie what would you say and and here's the thing if I were to take 10 people and um ask them the same question would you think I would get a consistent answer same answer no you wouldn't okay so what that tells me he doesn't have one because that's it he has a he has one superpower so is no no let me catch up I gotta catch up man you're talking about game on the line you want let's talk about this past season and this is a real thing you always talked about Allen going in glitch mode right you can rely glitch mode super glitch okay well guess what Tua has has taken that torch he is now glitch mode Tua man get out ofen he's had he had he has had so many throws this past year that you're like what are you doing who are you looking at this isn't like a oh I I just threw a bad pass like I underthrew a guy he's just like throwing it in the face mask of the opponent and and it just like luckily falls on the ground most of the time recently but it's been real bad his he he's good for like one maybe two of these throws a game and it doesn't make any sense we're not talking about Under Pressure we're not talking about uh a defensive player just making a phenomenal read and like doing some uh Ed Reed or you know uh legendary you know um sneak coverage whatever I'm trying to say here I'm sorry it's it's just it's egregious he's just had some awful decision making that you cannot justify and it's happened a lot can I interject very very quickly no you cannot no you cannot the follow one from what Steve said genuinely and you can go back I said that back too for a while now it's not just for my opinion it's not just this season it was last season as well the season before there'll be one or two throws a game you're just like two are I don't know what you saw but no one else saw it and if anything you're quite lucky didn't get picked off um I think that's been my one knock on tour and again even through him improving and getting better and better and better I still think is one thing I'm just looking at watching the game going you got away one there because whatever you saw it makes no sense and I think at first was putting it down to was it the Cardinals game in his rookie year where he goes to throw it away and he gets intercepted and they end up pulling it back for a foul and at the time he was like that's a rookie mistake you know he'll get over it I don't think he would right now it doesn't look like he's gonna get over this to a what was that throw I hope I'm wrong I want to interject because yeah Steve that I don't think that's a this season issue that's been going back in my opinion a few years every quarterback has that though every hold hold hold up hold up hold up I'll let y'all talk every quarterback has passes every single game where it's like hey what was that I'm sure he wants that back now I I'll be real with Y I see it with too I see what y'all saying but it's not as bad as what you guys are making it seem like yo this is too prevalent and it's every game and it's five passes a game you're going to have passes that you want back every game now what I was saying was glitching is at the worst possible moment you can imagine I may I may I probably seen two a glitch one time maybe twice ever okay so meaning meaning meaning hold up games on the line and D you wet the bed like this is on you I probably only seen that twice I see it I see it eight times a season with Josh Allen bro Charlie right is it my turn yeah go ahead do PFF is that it's something that you guys ah go ahead yeah yeah go ahead go ahead they ranked their quarterbacks and I looked at their list and I'll I'll read briefly it's very short little paragraph of Tua it was his best season yet from the former fifth overall pick as a talented Tua earned the highest passer grade in the regular season of any quarterback and made 35 BigTime throws good for third in the league fantastic here we go next line next line however his 3.5% turnover worthy play rate was higher than every other quarterback in the top five of Big Time throws and his 25 turnover worthy plays were the fifth most very quickly Charlie hates that St me and Charlie went back and forth was like that is the one that charie is never ever ever going to accept look at your face a turn over Worthy play bro like what is a turn over worthy play did it get turned over or not bro like listen listen no no no this is the reason why turnover worthy play should not be a stat and it probably isn't really a stat it's just someone who said hey that could have been a pick bro what is that so so look so hold up hold up hold up so what happens if the receiver throws up uh runs the wrong route and and it hits the DB in the hand and the DB drops it that's a a turn wory play on a quarterback that's wild to me bro hold up I'll give you this uh what's your boy y'all favorite receiver uh wide receiver one jaem Grant no not jaem Grant his homie uh Devonte Parker Jay Cutler I I keep going back to this Jay Cutler thread the needle threaded the needle between two DBS closing in on Devonte Parker hit him in the chest ball bounce out gets picked off how was that on Jay Cutler so if that happens to a quarterback and it becomes a turnover worthy play because the receiver that's not a turnover worthy play all right that is not a turn over worthy play if the receiver runs the wrong route it's it's it's on the quarterback all I'm saying is that is also on the quarterback though that's a pick on the quarterback is my point but the turnover worthy play is always going to be on the quarterback regardless of what if we know what what happen in the play or not that is the wildest it's just the wildest uh analytic bro Charlie the plays we are talking about and and I if I if you really made me do it I could easily do it you go back to the games these are throws that isn't like oops you can understand the wide receiver went in instead of going out no this is him standing there having plenty of time protection and he just throws an egregious ball which you can't even you can't even make sense of it like you don't even know what happened it's like all of a sudden he just had a concussion that play like you know what I mean just like he just had an outer body experience where it's just like I don't know what I was doing I just turn overw worthy play bro like we're not even talking about the game we talking about practice practice we're not even talking about the actual interception we talking about oh that could have been an interception not not not the game we talking about practice so we not talking about an actual turnover we talking about something that could have been a turnover like that is this is what we doing like so so hold up hold up hold hold hold hold on y'all brought this up y' no no no it's not the same St y'all brought this up so you telling me that when we talk about the best quarterbacks in the NFL the knock on this quarterback is oh he could have had more turnovers oh that's a Maj it's decision making Charlie this is what it's based off of this is his his command and I'm telling you I'm telling you that stat does not uh signify decision making it's not it's not because we don't know what happens in the play so it's like dang like like how how can we put blame on one person you and we don't we we we we can't even like allocate responsibility for that's just like saying a guy that fumbled the ball but recovered his own fumble that's okay no that's a fumble and matter fact no it's it's no no harm no foul nothing happened you know what's funny you know what's funny hey you know what's funny about that we are we well I about to say we are my back AEM we play Fantasy Football right Steve did you know in fantasy football when you fumble the ball and recover it you do not lose a point did you know that no I did not when you fumble the ball and the other team gets it you lose two points I am in a fantasy football league where I'm like yo this has to be a point deducted if you fumble the ball bro you're not supposed to Fumble the ball if you fumble the ball either you dropped it or the person took it from you it is on you but a turnover worthy play isn't always on you so that's why it should not be like a legitimate thing and and and I am also in defensive quarterbacks when a ball is intercepted that bounc off a receiver's hand that was on target that should not be an interception that should be a whatever a drop on a receiver and whatever turnover on the receiver stat not on the quarterback stat so that's why I'm like this with turnover worthy plays okay so when the quarterback goes under Center and then he doesn't get get the snap clean and it's fumbled on the ground whose fault is that that that should go on the quarterback but it's not always the quarterback's fault it should go on a quarterback okay okay Center the center never never screw right right right even even though the center it's it's most likely on the center most likely but it it can't go there's no stat says Hey Center fumbled this ball like it has to go on the quarterback there's nobody else involved there you go no inv you're penalizing a quarterback that it wasn't his fault yeah I I know that I understand that but but but for for us to to for us to dig on a quarterback regardless of who it is I'm defending all quarterbacks with this one that is the dumbest stat there is there's the dumbest analytic bro bro like like bro like it's a it's like we cannot even in all of when you go to that stat and you say oh turnover where they play like let's pull up these plays all whatever if there's 10 of them let's pull up all 10 of them and then go through the play and say so this is on the quarterback or oh see this is why it's on the quarterback yeah so you're G to have drop picks that's I'm not saying not gonna happen and I'm not saying hold I'm also not saying that Tua doesn't make what y'all what y'all saying because he does do it I'm just saying every quarterback does it and and Tua doesn't do it that much more than every other quarterback is all I'm saying I'm not saying that he doesn't do it and I'm not all I'm saying is it's not as bad as some people make it seem I feel like when we have this convers ation last and I I'll probably I said the exact same thing I'll say it again now essentially outside of sacks and touchdowns I guess I think those are the only two things every other sorry every other stat you can basically argue and go well how do you know it's not X or Y from interceptions for Miss blocks for a whole bunch of things because unless you knew the exact design play from both the offense and defense PFF and who whoever is doing these stats and recording them there's some kind of subjectivity in it so I can understand when you see something like turnover where you played it's like well that makes no sense because what's a turnover where you play but like I said last time and as Charlie rightfully pointed out again this time is when you see a throw and someone goes that should have been picked that's a turnover wory play even if it's because of the receiver R the wrong route or he slipped or whatever if so trit like if if Tyreek Hill slips and TFO is the perfect Ball but because Tyreek Hill slipped the DB is all of a sudden there I said that last time I said that about the receiver slipping of course yeah so it's an On Target pass and all of a sudden the receiver vanishes because he's on the floor and and then it hits the the the DB in his hand and drops it and it's really unfortunate that that gets counted as an turnover worthy play but the exact but the opposite is like what you mentioned where J cut F the ball Devonte Parker has a Devonte Parker moment and all of a sudden it's getting return the other way it's like so how is that my fault sometimes in life things just aren't fair and no it doesn't have to be though but it it doesn't have to be kadim like the same way the same we gonna get a bonus time so we keep going but the same way people would say oh look look if it was Patrick Mahomes and not Jay Cutler if Patrick Mahomes threw that pass everyone was look at look at the look at the accuracy look how good of a pass it was the receiver failed him if it's j Jay cull had no business thring that ball look at all that traffic nah nah bro it's not the same that's not right it's not the and it's it's darwn sh not a glitch uh sherro Steve it is not fumbling the ball on the one yard line with six seconds left in the game it is not throwing a pick in overtime to a wide open receiver it is not one hopping uh your your your number one receiver on a five yard line with on the last play of the game with no pressure it is not fumbling the ball underneath the center of uh with no pressure and the end of the game bro that's glitching Tua has not glitched the same way not even close to What's um oh yeah what's what's his second superpower Charlie his brain his Jesus his brain you give at least like anticipation or something like what's funny go bro y'all don't trust to her y hold up y'all don't trust to no so y'all don't trust him you you ever hear people sit around talking and be like God remember John laway he had the best brain like God that guy had the best brain bro he's cerebral bro like like I what does that mean dude it mean it means he is capable of of running of operating the system the Ferrari bro like everyone's not capable hold up hold hold up hold up hold up hold up that means you have to dumb it down for other people there are other quarterbacks in the league that you have to dumb it down for all I can't trust him to do this because he doesn't have the brain capacity for it Tua does after after 2.3 seconds which he's phenomenal right we all get that we all we're the best at getting rid of that ball quick and it's by Design not you know it's a combination of everybody right and then after that everything gets significantly worse like it just does we can go look at the numbers what is worse what do you mean worse his completion percentage his touchdown rate everything after like 3 seconds is nowhere near as good when he's getting in ball out quick do you agree with that why though Steve because he has a he can't go through his progressions as well as he needs to but why but why why can't he go through his progession bro it's because it's because getting the ball out is pro is protecting him and the offensive line bro it's it's it's designed that way bro Off Script oh now we going off script Off Script is different from quick release is no our script is different from quick release so when jayen Herz has time to sit in the pocket because they and Tom Brady by the way was Notorious for this just don't even move his feet just I'll just wait for somebody to come over before I throw this ball Tua can never have that time ever ever ever ever ever ever ever like he'll never have that time so the ball has to come out quick so yes after the ball doesn't come out quick he's scrambling for his life which I agree with you guys he is not an offs script quarterback now that being said he should be protected better up front so he doesn't have to be that's my argument like yo don't put him in a position to become a scrambling quarterback when you know he's not a scrambling quarterback so how do we do that we get the ball out of his hands in two seconds and if we don't do it in two seconds understand this play is probably not going to be successful so what we should do is put a better line in front of him so he doesn't have to get the ball out in two seconds and he doesn't have to scramble for his life that's that's math bro that's simple elementary math we're all dolphin fans here you're acting like we're you know we're enemies that we're just coming after two we're just talking real it's the truth the man doesn't go through his progressions well he just doesn't we're going to get in in the bonus time because this gonna be it could have been a two-hour episode Sher Steve bro I love you to death bro I I I bro I am fortunate to have you as a friend as a Dolphin fan just someone that I could just holl at talk to laugh up with you know what I'm saying have real moments with and we just met in a uber you know what I'm saying like I am so fortunate to have you in my life Kadeem we ran into each other in a pub in in in in in London like you had on the dolphin Jersey I'm like yo this dude's a Dolphin fan from London yeah mate oh yeah this is a dude right here you feel me and for us to come together and have a podcast and we could just chop it up and talk about our favorite team I love it and and it is never a do moment with us I appreciate both of y'all boys more than you know although some of y'all takes might be trash but hey I might have some trash takes too I do but it's not on tour I promise you that listen man you want to see us out kadim before we get up out of here I think my favorite thing about episode was we got to sh Steve's list started on two and that was it talking about stats and all that kind of stuff so maybe you notice how Tu he didn't answer how Jordan love is he didn't justify Jordan love being better than Tu he couldn't do it he didn't do it but I get maybe over time got up on his brain to his brain this guy hey sherro Steve thank you for coming on bro like it's you always welcome here y'all know what time it is stay positive test negative for Kadeem Simmons and Sherrod Steve I'm Charlie touche thank you for tuning in this time make sure you catch us next time on go time already got make them lose mind it's it's going all out when it's go time I ain't wasting no time got to make them lose their mind when it's show time cuz it's your time L it on the line when it's go time go don't waste no time got to make them lose their mind when it's your time and it's your [Music] time so Steve outs out of Jordan love over to her very briefly to us for your list yeah I mean it's for me um there's not a lot of like reaches in my opinion I got Caleb Williams kind of in the middle I really don't know there's a lot of people are super high on him and some people are just not so um I you know not a lot of reaches Brock pretty at 12 I think is very respectable the guy's just been proven to be a winner I dropped Trevor Lawrence to 18 I think that's probably the biggest I was proud of you for that uh head scratcher but yeah he just just um you know he needs to do something and I acknowledge that so um it's just yeah the problem with him is he he doesn't even pass the eye test you know like he does have some good games where you're like okay I can can see it but not consistently enough for me at this point um even with his situation with Meyer and everything at the beginning like that's kind of pass now it's you got Peterson you gotta you got to get the job done now tur Lawrence if I can interject real quick Trevor Lawrence doesn't trust himself for whatever reason I don't know why he just doesn't trust himself like he he would he doesn't take his shots down the field he doesn't take his opportunity he doesn't uh risk he just no risk like yo I'm I don't he's almost playing like like the world's coming down on him for some reason like bro no one cares about you Trevor Lawrence you've been getting all the all the all the all the uh excuses in the world like no one's coming at you for nothing like you could throw all the picks you want no one's going to get at you and then you put yourself in this situation because you don't take the risk he doesn't throw those those passes tight window passes and he's capable of doing it it's the wildest thing I don't know how it happened uh kadim you mentioned earlier he's he was the best Prospect since Andrew Luck since Payton Manning like this it was supposed to be a given for Trevor and he's just name brand quarterback now that doesn't perform like the way he's supposed to is I don't I don't understand it and and again like and I I I know it always goes back to two where compared quarterbacks to it doesn't have to be that and and for me I'm not there no more because I think my quarterback has proven himself so I don't have to do those well oh tur still like no I'm not I'm not really gonna put too much energy in a Trevor Lawrence to a conversation but for Trevor Lawrence I do wonder why it is bro like it's it's weird that he's not unlocking what needs to be unlocked to be a top five quarterback in the NFL like everyone thought he would be yeah he just doesn't have consisten it's weird but I don't I don't I don't get it but go ahead go ahead uh Kad you about to say something one one last question before we shot off off here um so you seen probably about 40 different quarterbacks named um you know some most people kind of had the same I guess 20 5 and then there were a few kind of like sprinkled in your Justin field your JJ McCarthy and stuff like that but very quickly who do you think is the middleof the road quarterback so there's a podcast a couple of years ago called the around NFL podcast and they came up with what they called The Andy Dalton scale whereas if he was ranked higher than Andy Dalton you were a team didn't need a quarterback you know playoffs Super Bowls all that kind of stuff Bel low Andy d you need to go and find yourself a quarterback and if you had Andy D like the Bengals did you were kind of stuck in purgatory you would win enough games to challenge for division might make the playoffs but also lose enough games it's like they made the playoffs they would make the playoffs but they lose every game in the playoffs their first game every playoff so in 2024 who do you think is the I guess the go time dolins Andy Dalton on starting of you shwi Steve uh I think if you look at my list it's the guy we just talked about I think Trevor Lawrence I think if you're if your name is below Trevor Lawrence you're you're in trouble um yeah that's not good yeah it's it's it's not where you want to be so I think everyone above Trevor I think you can win I think Baker I I'm just kind of a baker fan I guess but he's probably the only guy that's not like a like a certified franchise quarterback you know what I mean like I think the rest of guys um are just like Bonafide franchise quarterbacks even Russell Wilson he's below Lain on your list yeah I think um I think at this point his career he's um he's a guy that's just a game manager I know it's a negative thing but it's not for me I think he's the problem is he plays he was so good in Seattle because he play played Off Script that was his superpower that guy was just amazing at creating something out of nothing and he just was he was just the backyard football King and and he when you get old you can't do that you don't have the legs you don't have you know your your body just isn't G to allow that at some point and I think he's kind of hit the wall he might be in the best shape of his life and he might have some glimpses of that still you know here or there you're like oh wow is is he back consistently no so think he's a starter I think he could be a starter for the next three years and do well I think I like P Pittsburgh this year to be honest with you I I think they're they got a very nice roster great coach and um I think Wilson just can't crash this car I think the it's a tough division that's his that's his real real problem but they have a really nice roster in my opinion hey if you could bring my yeah if you bring my list up for this um because I think it's funny uh I think the first middle of the road quarterback that we get to on my list um is Gino Smith and he's ranked all the way at 24 So based on what you said it's not like he's at 15 and everyone above and everyone below it's like even back to that question about do who do I trust to make that pass on Fourth and eight and re obviously if it's the best receiver you want running that route or whatever maybe Kyler Murray is middle of the road but here's where the list you know how we all we I'm sure this happened to everyone you have Kyler Murray I have Kyler Murray at 13 and then tror Lawrence at 14 and then Brock py at 15 well I'm like uh I kind of like Brock p a little better than Kyler Murray right now but then I'm like ah then I have to move this round to get that right so just to answer your question the middle of the road quarterback in my opinion is Gino Smith um because like I don't want to end up with Gino you know what I'm saying but he's not it's it's it's a weird it's a weird question and and going back to my fourth down and eight uh example that came from Devonte Adams by the way he was on Club Shay with Shannon sharp and and he was like hey who's the top five receivers and then Devonte Adams said this is how I determine a top five receiver when it's he said third and eight you know what I'm saying I just dressed it up a little bit better fourth and eight game on the line all the good stuff like I I want I don't mind it being Patrick moles I don't mind it being Joe burrow I don't mind it being CJ stra I don't mind it being rain Dakota Prescott I absolutely do not want Lamar Jackson throwing that pass on Fourth and eight and I'll be honest with you all jokes aside I don't want it to be Josh Allen either bro like there's no way you can you can sit here and say you trust Josh Allen to make that happen bro I can't I cannot like for the life of me I can't justify having Josh Allen putting faith in Josh Allen to make that pass but middle of the road quarterback I like where the NFL is now bro because I think that the the parody has always been great and I think the quarterbacks have uh like bro there's quarterbacks out there you like dang this quarterback's still available like Carson Wentz and and well these these quarterbacks are not available right now but at one point like dang Carson Winston's out there Ryan tenah Hill is out there these are backup quarterbacks in the league now now where Justin Fields backup quarterback in the league um I like Sam how backup quarterback in the league so I like where the NFL is uh with with quarterbacks uh it took us a long time to get here because it was not always like this yeah you can see why there's across the league why fan bases are excited you know like Colts everyone you know like maybe people we don't really think about but there's legit Talent at the quarterback position like I don't I don't think I've ever never seen before yeah I think just under the fourth and eighth situation I think people like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen even if they can't make the pass they might be able to scramble and pick up that first down which is I guess why they probably are what they are in terms of quarterback my team are kind of looking at that for sure I think for me and I know I named I said one person I think there are a bunch of quarterbacks but I think for me it's probably like like a Derek Carr if you got Derek Carr it's like guys what are we doing here like he he'll make he'll make us competitive but also we probably have to try and find someone El and I think yeah like everyone we've mentioned are if you got one of those quarterbacks the chances are you're probably going to need to try and find someone in the next year or two to essentially give yourself a realistic chance of trying to win a ring but another quack banking episode you know done sorted we could have gone for two hours never pick behind the curtain it's 251 in the morning for me I'm up in five hours for work did not think we'd going that long but also it's a corat banking episode with Sher Steve and Charlie touche it is always going to go long and this is always amazing so Steve as always thanks for grating us of your presence and your I say interesting quarterback ranking list same with you Charlie hey no no doubt uh Shaq Barrett episode out right now on patreon get our thoughts on Shaq Barrett walking away from football um it actually came out pretty good me me and kadim had some pretty good thoughts on it uh but y'all check it out on patreon appreciate you showing up today Steve no thanks for having me guys love doing it [Music]