BRITAIN IS BURNING - UK Riot Coverage Stream

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like a worthy subject to chat about well it is going on cuz Lord knows there is a heck of a lot of fake news um and if you're wondering I had a GB News host retweet me the other day and he's like why do you even care about this subject you're not even in the UK although we ended up chatting in DMS and it ended up being a big misunderstanding but for those of you who don't know and are perhaps new here um I've got family in the UK I've got British ancestry um I've been banned from the UK for holding a cheeky little pride parade in Luton which if you're not aware is a highly Muslim immigrant area of Britain so it is an issue definitely the riots going on and the social upheaval happening as a result of mass migration crime illegal immigration it's something that's close to my heart because I tried to warn about these Crisis coming into Europe for many many years was slandered banned from countries arrested for terrorism and now um it has all culminated to this moment where we are seeing quite frankly race riots in the streets and this is something I actually predicted as well years ago on uh I think it was a BBC show I'll have to check my Wikipedia again but I said yeah you're probably going to see racial Warfare in the streets if we don't deal with this Mass immigration lack of assimilation overwhelming crime ignoring the workingclass cries issue and I was called a bigot I was told that I shouldn't be allowed on mainstream media at all and what do you know it all happened but of course I am not the only one out here that was warning about these issues and certainly not the uh certainly not as close to some of the people um who have been on the ground like Jack Hadfield like Callum who was with lotus theaters they're both actually in the UK they are experiencing this firsthand this is something that is going to affect them on a daily basis so if you both could introduce yourselves to everyone watching that would be fantastic we'll start with Jack since uh you were actually on the ground in the riots last week I believe yeah I I I was at the first riots in Southport and then because I live in Manchester I covered the uh the protests in Manchester Picadilly Gardens just on Saturday as well um so yeah so I'm uh Jack Hadfield I currently write for uh the publica which is a uh online um news organization and we do uh lot lots of kind of cultur War stuff I used to do more um politics politics things but now it's uh it's it's all it's all cultur cultural stuff immigration crime you know rather than saying oh you know who's got more votes this election and when and why so um but yeah know it's a good beat and I've been set out on the ground and I had my uh tooth cracked for the pleasure of it on Tuesday so that's a risky take when when doing the on the ground uh got your proper War scars I've got to say I've never been I've had people try but I've never actually been beat up in a riot so you got that on me uh Callum welcome hello um who are you myself yes yeah I'm I'm a I'm a travel vlogger I I videos about traving to weird places and then I'm also a traveling merch because I'll buy stuff from those places and then s them but I suppose commenting on politics quite some time used to work in ukip back in the good old days and um then then that sort of collapsed and so got got to know a lot about how the political system works in this country how the media works I guess and uh well I I hate it I don't think there's anyone who learns about it who doesn't hate it and that's that's why I suppose I'm so upset about the riots and interested in why they happened where are you from like where were you born and grew up oh so I grew up next to Stonehenge effectively and then moved for University to Kent lots of foreigners there because it's a University Town in Canterbury and that was okay whatever and then I ended up uh moving a little bit to London and it's like 90% foreign I'm like that's that's pretty weird and then I went to reading where I was the only English guy in my building and that was kind of annoying so then I moved to Swindon to work and then ended up being the only English guy in the building there as well and now finally I I live somewhere else which is English so it's nice to be back in England but I I think that piece of information will give some people some understanding about how extreme the level of immigration has gone it's now a bit of a challenge to find somewhere that's English yeah this is something I I got into a little bit of a thing on Twitter yesterday and some spy suburbanite was like I see Lauren Southern is falling for the exact same kind of propaganda she made her bones for manufacturing and claiming that this whole issue of mass immigration being a crisis is propaganda but that doesn't work on me because I also grew up in a majority minority neighborhood I grew up in Sur British Columbia which is now I mean certainly a lot of the neighborhoods are well majority seek population places like Richmond majority Asian and you know it's not to say everyone's a criminal or everyone's this or that but you grow up around friends of yours that are like I have a kid that's going to school and they are the only white kid in their school and they are treated differently they aren't treated well the crime has gone up significantly in these areas like you cannot Gaslight the people that are living in these situations and I think that's where you're seeing one of the major disconnects between the media class and the working class that are out here rioting whether you agree with the riots or not doesn't matter there is obviously a much bigger contention from those who are living with the consequences of immigration policy versus those who are not who are in these very high up positions they're living in Chelsea they've got all of their little friend groups that are extraordinarily wealthy and even if they are from out of town they are like the cream of the crop from other countries that are you know multi-millionaires they simply are not affected by these issues now one of the main contentions I am hearing from left wiers critiquing the riots obviously there's the violence obviously there's that that's like very obvious stuff but the main thing they're saying is it was all based on a lie this was a lie they believe that the riters believe that it was a Muslim immigrant illegal immigrant whatever it is that came in and stabbed these tragically stabbed these young girls at this Taylor Swift dance party which you would never think in a million years would be something dangerous or scary to take your daughter to um is that true is it true that these riots were based on a lie and Jack Callum either of you can feel free to answer that yeah I suppose I'll I'll pop in first because I I was literally as I said on the ground on Southport on on Tuesday um now there was a little bit of disinformation which was going around on on Monday night Tuesday morning which is saying that the attacker was Ali something Ali or whatever that he was this you know um Asylum Seeker fresh off the boat um but that was debunked relatively quickly and we already knew by Tuesday morning/ afternoon it was pretty much everywhere around the media that you know that this was the son of two or Randon immigrants so this guy was born in the UK uh but he was a second generation immigrant and obviously people are paying attention to Southport U of course the people who would be protesting and rioting right there would have probably been paying the most attention uh to it um pretty much everybody everybody I spoke to there was aware of exactly who the killer was um now obviously there was there was animosity on the ground to uh to um Islam and Muslims as well just in general you know I I saw people throw bricks um at a mosque which was you know not far from where the um from where the attack actually happened um but that's because um the the riot started you know got sparked off um you know by this initial attack but then it almost immediately devolved into you know this attack this anger at just foreignness you know everything that's you know been in the country for the past 20 30 40 50 years and with people thinking oh my I don't have the same country anymore and you know like a corner shop for example was attacked and again probably had nothing to do you know with a killer specifically um but again just a a symbol of mass migration that's the thing because uh the killer would not have been here if it wasn't for Mass migration um and that's so while while there may have been some original misinformation on on who the killer was at the first place the point still stands is that people were pissed off because immigration made this attack happen possible to begin with now what oh sorry go ahead Callum I was just going to say it's interesting that you in that explanation say well obviously there was a bit of animosity towards Muslims and if you're a complete Outsider I mean that's not actually obvious I mean there shouldn't necessarily be but that's the point I mean the people engaging in these protests are calling it The enough is enough protest and then there are the people rioting of course which are let's say a separate group because they're taking actual physical violence instead of just protesting but that sentiment that's the issue here I I don't know why some leftists are playing dumb they didn't do this with BLM they knew it wasn't just about George Floyd their argument was it's about broader police racism and social racism blah blah blah that's what they would say back then the issue here is not just about this P specific killing but I'm I'm sorry but enough is enough in the sense of we have gone through Mass immigration and the outcomes have been massive amounts of terrorist attacks from these people massive amounts of increase in crime massive amounts of increase in rape specifically we've had God knows how many scandals of immigrants coming here and then literally just rigging the system to take money out of it and now we're at a level where the highest tax we've ever been since the war everyone's underpaid overwork the wages are stagnant because of mass immigration they can't get wealth because they can't get housing because of mass immigration and then this government that's just come in well the reason they got in at all is not because they're popular they only got what was it 33% of the vote the only reason they got in to power is that the British election time said screw it enough is enough Tes have been in power for rers the law immigration they failed load of people went to reform and because it's a first P the post system even though people are voting like it's a you know proportional representation system that's not how it turns out because that's not the rules so labor get in on a technicality not because they're popular so they're not even able you know the electoral system isn't even able to be a release valve for the pressure that's building up here even that election which is a combined enough as enough death to theories because of mass immigration resulted in a lab government which when this happened went down to lay flowers and were harassed and booed by the people who were at the site because they know the labor party represents bringing in more people like this as well they're part of the problem back in 1997 they're the ones who started this so I I think it's really just as you say a massive culmination of just a million things going wrong some of them freaking horrific like the Manchester Arena ONE sticks in my head forever and that's why this is taking place and and this is why maybe this is personal but I can't stand leftists who are sitting there being like Oh what about the specific instance it's not just about that you know that can can I can I just quickly jump in just on what you mentioned at the end there with the Manchester Arena bombings obviously that was something completely different the reaction to that to what we've then had today after that you had you know all sorts of the oh don't look back in anger and uh you know there weren't any riots or protests it was just you know complete outpouring of grief but you know that was more because the government was um ensuring that nobody was going to get Ang about it and I think the difference with the Manchester ARA bombing compared to what we saw is I think people at least like understand Islamic terrorism a little bit more in that you know like this is a political objective you know they're going after this because of wars in the Middle East and you know and they want to make the entire world an Islamic calipat from what we saw on Southport on Monday this was just some guy who was as I said second generation immigrants seemingly for no reason has just gone and killed children and that is you know and the only reason being that you know he's you know uh that you know that that he is a second generation immigrant that he's not from the UK and that's at least what seems to be driving people more insane was there a motive giv hasn't been one at all no none has been shared the police will probably say it's just oh it's mental health so there's been no explanation what do we know about the attackers past other than the fact that he was born to Rwanda immigrants do we know anything there oh we know he was a goodly old boy he was very cute when he was young he was a lovely little chap he out oh my goodness he was he was in a BBC children in need commercial where he was he played a young version of the doctor along with other kids right right of course the think about that like that's the only information they put out is that he's a cute chubby little old baby is that actually is that actually what articles have been going out like am I losing it that's I'm going to can you send me some articles in the Discord I'll bring those up on screen um you guys aren't going to be able to hear it through Discord but uh Callum I know you have watched it because this is one of your tweets I'm going to throw up here for everyone to watch in a second and it's of your new uh Brave leader comments on when minorities Riot versus when white people Riot so I'm just going to quickly put this up for everyone to watch and hope hopefully you can hear it it's been a while since I've streamed I'm hoping I remember the OBS software all right uh but let's let's play this no doubt I was shocked those that have participated in this the killing of George Floyd will face the full of President Trump the police us arrest to the peace individuals will be H demanding Justice charges will follows the last week has Shone a spotlight I guarantee on the racism you will regret taking in this disorder and inj directly experienced those up Comm and Away themselves in the UK this is not it is organized violent Justice anywhere and it has no threat to Justice it actually makes me so angry watching it I know you guys couldn't see it but essentially the when minorities Riot was the rightful Injustice anger let me quote Martin Luther King this is a very serious issue and then when white people Riot it's you will regret taking part in this thuggery we are opening the Googs you are all going to jail and you know I had um Katherine broos I I can never remember her last name um anyways she was a journalist and she responded to me and hopefully we're going to have a discussion about it but she was like no Lauren the difference between the BLM riots and the riots in the UK is the BLM riots uh were targeted they were just protesting and rioting versus the UK riots in which they're burning down buildings and trying to kill people and I'm like whoa wait I'm pretty sure 25 to 30 some odd people died during the BLM riots has anyone died in these riots yet maybe there maybe there has been people that have died but correct me if I'm wrong you guys are there I don't believe so no I mean there have been you know attacks I think again correctly for wrong Callum there were two in stoon Trent uh two white guys attacked by uh at least some roaming gangs of Muslims uh either stabbed and hammered in the head uh that was Saturday I believe and there's been a few more obviously the police have been injured the police have injured other people um but there's been no deaths uh as far as I know obviously me uh I am the only death that I yeah exactly I mean except from the three little girls who are dead that's that's the only people who have died yeah it's um has there been any shift whatsoever in the way that the media are reporting on race-based issues in the UK right now like has it gotten more radically left Wing as a result of these riots or has there been any give in acknowledging that maybe people are this upset because there's a problem going on I mean the closest I've seen to a response is just the demand that the edl be declared a terrorist group which was quite funny on BBC News I watched as they were discussing this and one of them got told in their ear and then had to tell everyone else the edl disbanded 10 years ago so it's kind of hard to declare them a terrorist group because they don't exist I mean there is no as of yet narrative Whiplash you know that thing where we all believe something and then suddenly like Joe Biden every he's the sharpest man alive and then all of a sudden everyone you know admits this guy has dementia we haven't had narrative Whiplash year where everyone in the media is like yeah maybe maybe they have a point maybe the endless terrorism isn't so great yeah I think I think the media narrative right now is running primarily on you know it's these evil farri right thugs who are you know burning down all the communities and then they've been trying to skip over as I said like roaming bands of you know Pakistani Asian men who've taken to the streets you in Bolton which is near me And there's been others you know we've seen literally there was um there was a Sky News presenter who had her report interrupted earlier a guy came up on a bike started saying free Palestine and she was starting to get swarmed and mobbed as well and and then they had to cut it off and of course K starm said oh you know we we need to protect Muslim communities and of course Elon just ratioed him about half an hour ago saying well why shouldn't we protect all communities so so they they've tried to maintain that it's just you know farri mobs the only people on the streets right now but you're starting to see more and more as I said you know Muslim Pakistani gangs taking the streets as well so that narrative which they had for a couple of days is pretty much already collapsing uh vi vi this backlash I'm going to quickly Play that video you mentioned because I think Conor Tomlinson put that up and I want people to know what you're talking about um here we go I've got it up the leaders have been speaking to the police as well becausee [ __ ] I think apologies for the language you're hearing but a sense of the anger I think you can hear yeah Katie I think we Becky I apologize we uh need to um leave you there and uh we need to leave you there because there's some people that are really not fitting into the narrative coming on camera at the moment that is very unhelpful goodbye you're on your own that's not even the best one the the best one is there's this other woman from Sky News walking around with like a helmet on like she helmet yeah and then she's talking about the edl and the Thugs and behind her the Muslim Defense League turn up in Black Block with like weapons and they're just looking around like oh what's going on and while she's going off on one of them about how evil the edl are and then she just cuts to we're just we're just going to leave here for a bit go back back Studio going let me get you this this this is being counters The Narrative we can't have this being shown on Sky News right now um although to be fair to Sky they also you know obviously question the Metropolitan Police Chief earlier about you know the two-tier policing uh and obviously they got their microphone cover snatched for daring to question him about this I think like the two-tier policing as well is what everybody's noticing you know as as like as you rightly said [ __ ] it's like uh gangs of Muslims in Black Block dress where previously we had I think it was a few years ago there was um a black uh sort of paramilitary group which had uh you know in full paramilitary uniform in the streets as well that's completely against the law and has been against the law for years um but you know nobody was ever arrested prosecuted for that um I'm gonna probably just so just so everyone aware is aware who is watching we're going to cover just some of the updates and everything going on and then in about 20 to 30 minutes I'm going to have two lefties who disagree with the I I want it's not a Nar I I think it's reality I don't think it's a narrative but I'm curious to see what arguments they have um Pisco is one of them he's a lawyer and then the other one is uh Destiny who I know everyone really loves here but we got into a proper fight about this all yesterday and I think it would be you know I want to have a discussion about the discre there but then I also thought it would be good to have you guys if you're willing to stick around a little longer not that I want it to be full blood Sports 20 people talking at once but you guys are actually from the UK so you've grown up there it's a little harder to question what you've seen with your own eyes what you've grown up with right yeah but I we'll stick around probably because also it's it's good to have people explain the context because I mean we've all had this when you something happens in a foreign land and you try and understand it it's really hard because you don't understand their specific uh cultural circumstances and what they actually think about the world their worldview is wildly different whil back home etc etc and there is a significant difference between the US and the UK in this regard like I'm I'm watching some people talk about this from the US and I'm just like grinding my teeth so it's probably best we talk a little bit about the the context as well of how we've ended up here what has been the biggest contention you have with us commentators talking about the riots going on in the UK uh personally I the the big one that gets me is simplifying it down into black white this is just American politics seems to be discussed in this way of just purely racial aspects which in the old world we don't really discuss race that much it's it's more about ethnic groups in this instance of course there are attacks on people because they see them as brown therefore Foreigner because it's a pretty big giveway skin tone but it's been a long-standing problem in the UK that we have problems with foreigners that's all of the foreigners I mean one of the big things during the brexit debate and Campaign which again the British voted for lower immigration in that situation was well the polls because was we opened up the EU to Eastern Europe we had Mass immigration from Eastern Europe as well and this isn't to say that these two things are comparable like the average pole is not your average Afghan in terms of crime thoughts on the age of consent etc etc so I'm not saying that but I just it really grinds my gears whenever I see Americans talk about the old world issues and can't comprehend it seems that we talk in terms of ethnic groups and it it it would we we had our problems with just about every group coming here because I mean the fundamentals is not just the differences between us but the numbers I mean like the numbers are the thing that have made the UK such a mess yeah yeah I mean yeah like like I was about to say we have like 30 40 Years of terrorism in Northern Ireland because if two almost identical ethnic groups couldn't get along with each other but it's was quite funny you've seen um like Brits and Irish people you know Loyalists and republ Republicans on the streets of Belfast marching together hand inand with Union Jackson Irish Flags because they're all it ironically this seems to have United both communities in Northern Ireland say actually yeah enough is enough you know perhaps we're not so different Lads yeah it's uh I'm waiting for kind of a moment like that in Canada but I feel we just we don't have that shared cultural history to actually kind of unite as okay we're Canadians what what does it mean to be Canadian there's been so much erosion and we don't have the same like I said the same history the same family connection where immigrants from all over Europe and I mean even the indigenous we used to have the flag that was like the French the English and the indigenous that was all represented there but I uh I think we're going to slip faster into that night than you guys will I don't think we're going to have the same riots in Canada I think it'll just be by by unfortunately well there's always hope I mean but like okay so you say there's always hope but what you you look at these riots and what my main concern is is the second like I'm going to try not to I think that this is going to be used as a precedent to do an even stronger lockdown and even stronger Crackdown rather on those who are skeptical of current Mass migration policy it'll be kind of like after j6 people walking through the capital suddenly you have these people on federal charges you have all these people on no fly lists like everyone is terrified if been talking about the issue because it's going to get you just completely destroyed for pushing back so did did either of you read silent um not sorry not silent Invasion that's a very good one too but submission by Michelle holbeck where he kind of talks about well France is slowly slipping into islamization um there are few gunfights that happen in the street there's like push back and it almost kind of feels like a revolution is going to break out and then everyone is arrested it's just kind of a story on the radio for like three or four days and then suddenly the professor who's the main character of the book starts going to the university and all the women are wearing he jobs and his co-workers are like wow I got multiple wives you know this is government policy now the Muslim Brotherhood United with the Socialist Party and they're in power and this is just the New France and like there was this kind of attempt to push back on things going on and it was all just silenced and things slipped the way that they were inevitably going because of the powers in charge and you know none of this isn't is to Advocate taking guns to the street but it is to analyze how a government responds to riots and even if it is unfair even if it is a two-tier justice system where the LM Riders get to do the exact same thing and never have that happen to them uh you still have to just analyze things from a realistic perspective you know I mean yeah sure but like to to have that future happen you need a competent State and a police that isn't police system that isn't falling apart like I think they've been very they've trying to cope so hard with these riots and I don't think they've been doing a very good job at all um this really does seem like the police is completely incompetent I mean like like I saw one video of a of of a rioter just like kick a like a a 5 foot nothing police woman the chest and you completely fell over no they had a [ __ ] police officer they lit a [ __ ] Bobby I'm going to find this video I had it saved on my Instagram reals I was like this has to be a joke but I need to find it um but like like that's the state of the police and if they try to bring the Army in you like the police are you know like they are the arm of of the state and they will you know uh and that they don't care about you being assaulted but if somebody says a mean word on Twitter like they'll get straight to you um but the Army are far more sort of right-wing and patriotic if they tried to get the Army to put down the ri of the streets not going to lie probably a bunch of them would join the riers in that situation so I generally don't think the British police state has the capacity to crack down on these right to the same way that for example the FBI did and be able to track down everybody after January the 6th the BR the British state is nowhere near as competent as the American deep state in in cracking down on on dissidence okay I'm going to quickly show this video of the [ __ ] this is from tenant media who many of you know I do videos for uh let me quickly get this up I am shook Force this is what you got have respect for look it's a [ __ ] [ __ ] they got a [ __ ] to deal with the writers I mean for [ __ ] sake what has this country come to it's [ __ ] hilarious [ __ ] hell we're [ __ ] excuse the language there guys um but you obviously you guys can see that but it's just this British guy watching his TV like for F's sake what does this country come to we got a [ __ ] dealing with the riers and then there's uh that video that you were mentioning where I I don't even think this is the same [ __ ] I think this isn't and you know no hate to midgets I just don't think you should be police officers like you know lovely people I'm sure um but there was that video I think this is an entirely different officer too where they're just getting kicked over let me throw this up quickly sorry the framing is [Applause] horrendous oh my gosh they're even yelling I hadn't seen that one they're like look at this [ __ ] and just boom like leonitis kicked them over that is a pretty what does that make you feel a therapy chair here as britz how does this make you feel watching your police system turn into this like he said nothing works in this country I I mean there just there are no standards there is no institution that hasn't rotted in the last 20 years so we're a quarter Century now have just rot and that's such a great example I mean this is why I was kind of pessimistic but I think you're probably right about the idea the capacity has just to hell I don't know if you guys know who Chris Williamson is but he did an interview recently with Domin Cummings and if if you've got some time and you want to understand the UK holy crap is it good so for people who don't know Dominic Cummings is this like super genius computer guy like he's really weird autistic right like he's controversial but he got into government with Boris Johnson as a special advisor it would be like if Elon Musk became the special adviser to Donald Trump in the next election and was in the white house for the whole period to see what was going on so Dominic coming came out after getting in a fight with the Prime Minister because apparently the Prime Minister didn't want to do anything which now turns out to be true because we now know and the the diagnosis he has for why Britain has become such a [ __ ] hole why you keep seeing all these videos on YouTube that like Britain is a [ __ ] hole now like why you keep seeing that I'm sure everyone's seen the videos oh yes is that nothing works I mean like Dominic just goes through Department by department and if there's anyone doing anything good any kind of Reform or updating of even just technology like when the co pandemic started he had to use a machine from the various hospitals to try and get info on how many cases there were and then had to pull out his iPhone to try and calculate where they'd be in three weeks I mean that 80s technology in 2020 that's the level they're dealing with even if you try and change the technology you become the enemy of the system like the special forces their enemy is the ministry of defense like this this is how these people describe their Liv is just that the British State doesn't really want to do any reforming and is so broken that all it's doing is rotting over time okay wait but how are they able to arrest you all for tweets so well like I'm pretty sure you arrest like 3,000 people a year for tweets they can clearly figure 2003 yeah that lost from 2003 when the internet didn't really exist and was complete bungle and the reason why and the reason why they can do that is because the police are so lazy they just want the easy get they want easy gets you know somebody's done a tweet you find the email address or phone number there you go is this you bang another arrest statistic you know looking for somebody looking for you know murders rapes assaults robberies all this stuff actually doing police work oh that's hard oh that takes effort oh I've got to do some like actual detectiv iing here you know ra whereas if they can find somebody's you know somebody's there with their full face and name and and they're boomering it up you know like with their passport number on as a Twitter cover photo well that's a very very easy NAB and obviously makes them look good because you know it is quote unquote the woke who are running the police now as well so that like that's certainly a bonus you put away the evil uh racist right-wingers making edgy jokes online um and it doesn't take you any time at all um sorry I was just sending messages getting people in here um I I don't know how much time both of you have I know I told you just like an hour uh but if you would like to stay for debates and bance that would be great to have you stay so just let me know what your timing is looking like so I can write that down and uh give you a good Escape oh we we have a super chat from Jeremy it's always rules for thee and not for me with these people the UK is screwed also love dear Dr Wendy interview thank you appreciate that also I saw a few people praising your travel vlogging up in the chat here Callum we got some Callum viewers um what was okay another critique that I've seen and I'm sure this is going to come up uh when we have I think PCO is coming on before Destiny but that this was all about just this one stabbing that occurred second generation immigrants so are you guys against or are you for essentially deporting all second generation immigrants the this is actually two questions and I'm going to give you one first but then the second is I personally believe because I've been following this for many years that it's been a bill buildup of a billion different events that honestly I I you would have to be following mainstream media exclusively so closely and ignoring every single alternative press publication to not notice the buildup of tensions that's been going on but that it's all culminated and it's this event that's triggered it so I'll ask you guys first um are you against immigration altogether uh do you want to deport second generation immigrants like what are people in these riots and people who support the kind of push back on the current policies what are you actually asking for I'll go ahead because I'm probably got the most radical answer but uh uh well I ran across what the Estonian government did after the uh end of the Soviet Union which is the they argued well look we were illegally invaded so those people who have come here as Russians they're not legally estonians we're not going to give them citizenship they can go to Russia for it and I kind of feel the same way about 1997 since Tony Blair came to power he's the one that changed the situation so that it was mass immigration ever since then it's just got worse and worse and worse and in which case that's sort of kind of cut off point in my mind if I was writing the laws tomorrow you know PM for a day it would be okay if you came here before that year you just can't apply for citizenship that's the new law and in which case you're here on whatever visa and we're not issuing new visas except for extreme Talent just zero visas for low skill Talent which is fun enough actually what dominic Cummings said he proposed in 2019 to Boris Johnson in the sense of we're going to just set unskilled labor to zero and if you want to come here because you're a Silicon Valley type the people are going to the US because they're really high skilled and there's High wages over there we want them coming to the UK that people could agree to but you know we're looking at a million a year coming in to a country with only 60 something million people the numbers are got to go and in which case okay we'll do it by here's the number of here's your Visa you're still on you've got two more years on it ah man when that runs out you've got to go or you're just not going to get access to anything and then we will hunt you down and Deport you forcefully because you knew the rules that that's the law that's how law works so that would be my proposal yeah yeah I mean I I I I mean I I basically agree with that I mean certainly you know a reform who talk about you know Net Zero migration I mean it's a good start but you know if there's you know 100,000 Brits leaving every year that's still 100,000 more people that you can still you know come in and have it be Net Zero I mean we absolutely need at the bare minimum an IM a total immigration moratorium right now into the UK absolutely nobody nobody more in from you know from now on obviously that then doesn't uh fix any of the problems of the people who are already here now um obviously you can start deporting people and certainly for illegal imgrants and first generation imigrants like you can certainly that's a hell of a lot easier to do uh but with um other people you know uh other people are still here here I think like the best way to do it is to make it just um is to because people a lot of them are only here because it's easy for them to be here so like what I would do is I would get you know hmrc which is the British IRS for example actually looking into uh all of the you know uh like American candy shops and hairdresses and car washes and all these places and Corner shops that all going away that we know are laundering money or avoiding taxes at the very least you know start you know start looking into that basically use the armor of the British state to make it very uncomfortable for people to be here you know for example you could you could restrict welfare and benefits you know to people who been here and you know had family here for three three or four generations or something a lot of people here right now of course one of the most famous stats that goes around on Anglo Twitter right now um is that you know 50% of all people in social housing in London are first generation immigrants uh and this is some of the most expensive property uh like in not only just in the country but in the world and most of these people here again first and second generation and even more are basically living on the on the British taxpayers dime they if all of this was cut off from them a lot of them would just say okay I'm out I'm going back you know like what I've got my family home in Pakistan or wherever which a lot of them do and they still have regular holidays over there despite claiming that oh it's so dangerous they need to stay in the UK so a lot of people will just leave naturally if you cut off all of the things that are enticing them to stay here in the first place and not benefiting people there there is the exact problem that we have in Canada as well is we have a h like severe housing crisis and you know you talk about how Britain is a small country we had when I was born we were about 30 million under 30 million million we're at like 40 million people now a quarter of the people I meet dayto day were not here when I was born and it's more where I live because the BC you know Vancouver area is just like a hub and that affects your day-to-day life like it changes it whether liberals want to acknowledge that or not and every one living in these areas knows as you do the tax system is being messed with the buying houses all of these like systems are being we have massive cheating scandals in our universities where people are just getting fake degrees and no one's looking into it because oh that's very uncomfortable that's racist to look into it and it is completely decimating any sort of respect that our institutions degrees systems had in place before welfare is supposed to be a net for genuinely out of luck people that have had horrendous life situations now it's uh you even look at food banks we have people we had this amazing honor System at food banks where you go there if you are down and out and people in the community knew because we all grew up around everyone we knew if you were genuinely down and out but now that there's so many people here that well you'll never speak to them you don't even speak the same language you'll never know anything about their life or their history or past they will come in and just be like sweet free food awesome completely there there were videos literally of a TD bank manager talking about here's how you scam the Canadian system he's from India and get free food as a student it's and this is what's so frustrating to me about when people portray it as like oh it's entirely a racism issue you just don't want to look at brown people in your country you just are you incapable of understanding that this is a very complex multifaceted problem that it isn't just housing it isn't just crime it isn't just violence it isn't just language there are a thousand different things going on here that clearly you guys don't have the second order thinking to be able to even wrap your heads around ah but yes using that system even just using it fairly like the same way it's used against the average Canadian just apply that to the average person who comes into this country well like you said just put a little bit of push back make it a you actually have to contribute to this country to live here and yeah a lot of people won't won't be coming here to take advantage of it anymore um I just have a quick little cheeky chat from brew master monk who says I get that the globalists want the destabilization and collapse of the west but where is the hope for a political solution in the UK can you perhaps pretend to be Islamic and get some support from the CIA that is I mean well very soon very soon I'm sure there will be Islamic militias getting funded here by CIA money um okay wait uh if you guys had anything you wanted to bring up I just need to quickly arrange bringing a few people into this call I suppose we'll just talk more about the two-tier Society shall we cuz I mean this this the again if we're talking about this topic in general what's the actual underlying thing well it's the fact that it's the enough is enough protest that's a great way of summarizing it and also two tier K I've seen used a lot this is obviously just because K stor as you played earlier when it comes to natives they get the boot but when it's anything else no matter how violent well you know there's an injustice somewhere and there's an injustice everywhere as a result blah blah blah blah blah but like you say it's it's not just two-tier in the policing that that's huge obviously but then you have two-tier in every part of society I mean I think the UK is still the only country um it might not be the only country I'm probably wrong about that in which the state still actively is engaging in discriminating against white applicants for internships so if you're I'm sure you've seen these I mean it's not just um there's a civil service the intelligence agency does it uh I've also seen what was it BBC got in trouble for doing it carried on anyway but if you apply for some internships the requirement includes that you be Bame or disabled and this is just Norm this just normal like people people think this is fine apparently within the system but obviously again that's just such a clear example about if you're a native you know if your gener if your if your family goes back Generations here get screwed too bad it's so many godamn levels that that's why you end up where we are today you've gone through the political system multiple layers of people voting for our immigration being ignored okay you've had people campaign on the streets you've had rallies that's been ignored when people engage in in the smallest point of push back they get sent to prison because they post to something grossly offensive people kind of running out of options here I mean especially compared to the US where you get to vote for your president you get to vote for both houses and everything we get one vote for an MP who's local and that's if you're lucky enough to even have an opposition candidate on the ballot most of us can't vote for reform because there are no candidates for reform in our area because the political system is so rigged it's like well well I mean sorry but the the outcome of the system is the purpose of the system you've ended up with riots because of the English yeah well I'm sorry you you got the outcome you you rigged the game for yeah I mean like I think that's that's why people are on the streets now I personally can still I still believe there's a political solution to all these problems you know I certainly think you look at for example I think Western Europe's ahead of us um so like you'll for example see that like like just in the last recent elections like the RN was one of the biggest um you know support for you know young people age 18 to 25 same with the afd in Germany um but you know obviously right right now in the UK behind like these these riots have existed because people can't see that political solution they think oh it's only going to be violence like that's the only way that I can change anything like I totally think they're wrong but that's the mindset that they've been that that they're in now because you've had 20 plus years as you said people constantly voting for migration even Blair in 1997 you know promised to you know lower immigration or certainly wasn't uh you know in favor of of opening the doors um as as he then eventually did pass then um so it it is the result these rights would not have existed if the government had just reduced immigration you know crack down on crime you know stop the grooming gangs that were you know in this country for again over 20 years um so this this is all the fault of the government for sure and you know making sure that the people think that they're that they they've got no hope I can't remember who someone said it was the riot to the voice of the unheard or something along those lines I think that's pretty accurate to what we're seeing right now on the streets um I think we have just had Destiny join the call I need to fool around and adjust the video here and I'm straight booming because it's been a while since I've used OBS but uh feel free to say hello Destiny and introduce yourself wow hi what's up I'm a YouTuber that does politics sometimes everybody has no idea who you are yeah um okay so sorry actually just give me you guys chat say hello I I need I need a moment to figure this out hello that booming do we get do we go over the part yet where the starting of these riots was on a fake news event that spread on X yet or have we not no no that's not why the riot started we discussed this discussed this at the top of the hour that's completely untrue really here for that wait what part of that was untrue that that the riots were started off by a fake news event on X so you were so you were actually at the you were in southp where it began I was in southp exactly when this happened so could you answer me this question because I I saw something about this don't know if it's true the a guy turned up with a and the police managed to arrest him and presumably he was there to attack the people who were more no so he was arrested with a switchblade and he was either a uh white or mixed Grace guy but he was on the side of the uh you know on the side of the protesters um now I don't believe he was you know people said oh you know he was gonna uh attack the vigil again nothing nothing of that side happened um but yeah he was he was posting about how how how awful the Southport attack was on his Instagram on Tuesday so no um no there was no planned machete attack or anything okie dokie so he's a man arrested with a switch knife because we can't have switch knives in this country yeah oh wait okay wait wait so tell me what part of this I have incorrect so stabbing happens name of the uh perpetrator can't be released right because of the judge yeah and then on X there's a whole bunch of information posted with a fake name it says he's Muslim uh there was a visual that was held and then a huge protest happens afterwards outside of a Mosk which is for Muslims right you're telling me that toted so basically basically you got the timeline wrong so um well not the timeline wrong but there are a few sort of details in there which were pretty key so his name wasn't released until uh like Thursday or Friday however um by Tuesday Morning uh now bear in mind the protest right happened at 8:00 pm so we've got at least between 8 to 12 hours of this coming out um it was identified that he that this was that this was fake news he wasn't Ary something Ali that he was the son of two second gener he was a son of two Randon immigrants so he was a second generation immigrant um born in Cardiff so by that afternoon certainly everybody I spoke to at the viil people were talking happen before this was known uh no it no it happened afterwards okay so before after this was made public knowledge that is the correction that is when the first violence occurred that's right yes okay why did they why did they decide to do the protest outside of a mosque uh the mosque was just the protest wasn't outside the mosque the protest was near exactly where it happened the musk was just on the same street we have a lot you don't think they were they weren't protesting right outside the Southport mosque no the the the protest moved towards it as I said I was there I saw bricks getting thrown at the mosque um but as as we were disc discussing earlier on the show the protest and the riot um happened and it was then directed to something more than just you know this stabbing which is why they didn't for example Community Center well because they didn't I don't think they knew initially when was the information released about who the person was officially um so in terms of his surname that was released in ter his actual full name was Thursday or Friday but um the attack happened on Monday and I certainly Knew by wait wait wait if his full name was Thursday or Friday and you knew M but he was identified as being a son of Rwandan immigrants I I even did an initial report about this same thing said it was rhon immigrants I saw Callum I saw Connor Tomlinson everyone on my feed was making it very clear and making posts about this is a second generation that's why I'm so confused by how you portray this the earliest well you're confused because you haven't read anything outside of your media spere because literally every single explode outside Stephen Stephen your claim is it's my media sphere that spread a lie that caused these riots and I'm saying within my media sphere what I'm following that was not the impression of people and and people had already people who spread this on Monday already apologized by Tuesday that doesn't it doesn't matter you you guys know that better than anyone else at a retraction on Tuesday doesn't matter if fake news was read on Monday the um the protest happened outside of a mosque and you're telling me that that had nothing to do with the fact that on X initially everybody thought that the perpetrator was Muslim that it was just a coincidence but this isn't this isn't just an issue of that stabing don't just don't do the just thing I know that you want to blow it up about all of immigration because when it's nice of course it's all connected of course it's all connected delusional to pretend it's not there was an inciting moment for this Riot yes that inciting moment was people thinking that the perpetrator was a Muslim no do you agree with that or not so does everyone here disagree with that hi Pisco Pisco could you quickly introduce yourself so people know who you are hi everybody yo uh sorry I can't be on video but I have to do it through my phone but I really appreciate being on um yeah I'm a lawyer from America so happy to discuss these these issues and um I know some stuff about immigration in America so I'm sure the issues in UK are very different but I I try to stay apprised of what's going on there and you know follow the politics at least somewhat closely but yeah thanks for having me on but my question is like does everyone here agree or disagree with what Stephen just said which was was the inciting incident of these riots based on a lie related to a Muslim immigrant or not well I trust the guy who was there yeah I trust the guy who was there and also what I saw all over my media wa wait wait when you say you trust the guy there understand he has every incentive to lie about it right what do you mean why would you say you trust the guy do you trust all the BLM riders that were there jack isn't just jack isn't just trusting the guy who's there I've been friends with him for over 10 years so yeah I do generally a good guy wa wa wa wa just curious cuz I don't know his Twitter if I were to bring up his Twitter account and I would to look is it going to be filled with wall toall like far right anti-immigration stuff or is it just going to be like oh a neutral Observer journalist that covers a bunch of different things Jack was Jack literally got beat up in this he said I'm not gonna take him I'm not GNA take him face videos that I saw and again I I was also there and also they literally attacked me for being a journalist afterwards so he actually has an incentive to not be impressed with these people yeah at the Riot by them for being a journalist so if if anything an incentive to make them look as bad as possible Jack what was the inciting incident if it wasn't this lie because he was he was a second generation immigrant and so therefore it's connected immigration he wasn't here what was but in this entire event this series of events would you agree or would you not agree that it was based on a lie no no I don't no we have all said we don't agree that that's the case if you look at the protest what else would have started it if not this so this was Telegraph report he was a Randon immigrant didn't the first protest happen on July 30th no wait um yes yes to the time but that was that was when this came out so the let me just get the date so yeah there was it was the 29th of July uh when when it actually happened the attack then it was July 30th which is the next day uh at 8:00 p.m. when the protest happened but by then as Callum rightly pointed out the telegraph reported that he was a son of son of Randon immigrants so the the anti-muslim sentiment generated by the fake news story in your opinion had nothing to do with the protests no it has to do with the terrorism and grooming gangs wa those accusations hang on The Grooming gang's accusations also relate to anti-muslim sentiment correct whether rightly or wrongly wouldn't you agree that the grooming gangs epidemic that you're pointing to relates to Muslim immigrants primarily that's the ACC right yeah so the event is because but nothing to do with fake news anusim attitudes G to talk so the event is because he's a son of immigrants Muslims are also immigrants to the UK they have engaged in horrific acts these are why these two are connected in these people's eyes because they're both immigrant groups so but that's because they're foreigners and the killer was a foreigner and there's a lot of problems with foreigners in the UK that's how this play as I said the protests started said the inciting incident for the protests was the stabbing on Southport but the protests pretty immediately became and then as they spread across the country became a wider anti-immigration protest which is why they attacked a mosque on Tuesday which is why they attacked a corner shop on Tuesday you know that this is why they've gone after Asylum hotels they've attacked police stations because this has become part of a wider anti-immigration protest and they've gone for all of the things which they see as being part of being part of that wider problem yeah this is understand how if you a problem with like Muslim grooming gangs why is it that a Christian second generation immigrant stabbing somebody would cause people to Riot outside of a mosque could you connect that for me because it's all connected it's all correlated you have mass immigration occurring or you have mass islamization of the UK occurring as a result of mass immigration as well so protesting outside of mosque is linked a protest against Mass immigration obviously and mus and Muslims yes of course you didn't have a ton of Muslims in the UK pre Mass immigration no okay wait but you understand that if you had no Muslims in the UK this same event would have still happened well yeah but then they would have targeted something else that was a symbol of foreignness it just happens to be that no actually wa believe that's this isn't true that's not true either because if you had no Muslims in the UK you probably had stricter immigration policy much stricter over years which probably would have resulted in this family not even being there well aren't these people like literally refugees from like the Rwanda genocide or some [ __ ] listen everyone everyone claims Refugee status right now they are literally genocide that wasn't a legitimate thing to claim Refugee status I'm not saying I'm saying that when we talk about whether or not every Refugee should be in the country everyone is claiming ref very specific question we don't have to broaden it I will say I don't know about these people specific remember that the people who some of the people who are responsible for implementing the Rwanda genocide I believe came to Britain uh after 1994 I I may be wrong on that somebody can fact check me but I do believe that happened can somebody I'm not say about this family specifically sure can somebody link real quick when was the first time on telegram or whatever the name of the the real name was published CU somebody link that in this where did you where did you get the information that the their family were were um refugees um I somebody I just I read it on I don't know I can't find it anywhere okay I was under the impression that he came from Randa I haven't had a ton of digg in this story so that doesn't mean he's a refugee no he he's second generation so he wouldn't be ref doesn't mean his parents were refugees were they it just send it send it over here if it is because I can't find maybe it is maybe it is I can't find anything on it we don't know if he's a Hu or a tootsie exactly we do know one thing right folks we also real quick wait just somebody I don't know if it's um sour or Lauren or somebody can somebody link the first time in tegram I want to see a post on July 30th at telegram saying that um that the guy is not like a Muslim person the the telegraph or Telegraph The Daily Telegraph another another good point July 30th another good point from the chat is if they were refugees from the Rwandan Genocide they should have gone home 20 years ago hang on in the united the United States and I'm sure uh because United States has adopted a lot of these foreign treaties which um which provide for these procedures in in many different countries the it's a pathway to citizenship Asylum status is a you know you get a green card in the United States and so just because you're but hang on at least in the United States if and and United States is very when we had a bunch of salvadorians come because of an Earth turn up your audio later they can you turn up your mic Sean you're very quiet in the United States Asylum is a pathway to a green card that's a fact not all the time it's it's a fact my friend it's a fact Asylum status can get you an adjustment of status which will give you a green card and give you a pathway to citizenship it's Asylum is for persecution and that will give you a pathway to citizenship in most cases some people are ineligible to apply for citizenship for other reasons but that's just is the case and so you saying well all ases or all refugees should go back home that defeats the purpose of a lot of Asylum laws at least in the United States Asylum is different from Refugee status but like the definition of refugee is consist at least in America is consistent and uh actually the Asylum processes map on to the the processes or at least the definition of refugee for purpose of of their um their procedures one thing I want all of us to agree on though regardless of your STS on immigration is the riots should be condemned is that fair everyone should condemn the violence that's going on right now in the UK can I get everyone on the record condemning the violence yeah you shouldn't be burning stuff everybody like knows that awesome Lauren do you agree yeah don't burn stuff but I'm not against protesting I'm certainly not against the people protesting but you're against them using violence and the people who are deploying violence it's it's illegitimate right I am against violence yes but like this is just like a do the do the rounds do the disavows this isn't actually addressing any sort of real issue no I'm glad that you disavowed it Lauren and ajw and Callum you would also disavow this and uh sour Evil Boy you would also disavow the violence and condemn it well legally as British people we can't support it I'm just asking would you condemn that means no will you will you will you right now condemn the violence yes or gosh yeah what's the point in asking I legally can't say if I did I'm just asking you will yes affirmatively condemn it yes point in asking I would go to jail well you could just say no answer it's like when when I had that chat about the Trump stuff with Destiny his whole audience were so upset they're like oh by asking these questions of whether he supports the attempted assassination or not Lauren's trying to get him banned off social media by pushing Callum on this you could literally be trying to put him in jail that's what he's saying only if his answer he doesn't have to give an answer he could say I'm not gonna answer that question or that's a stupid question or you know who are you to ask me that kind of thing there are a lot of ways that he could even if he disagreed he literally couldn't so he's saying it's a pointless question because even if he couldn't DOD had a person on who supported the riots can't just sit and Dodge the question cuz because again they're looking for people to put in jail right now and we don't have free speech rights okay I mean I I think it would be something so even if he had a Nuance answer on it even no because maybe he has a Nuance answer on it which is very possible where it's like I condemn this or that but I support this or that and that could face jail time and that's insane do you condemn that he could face jail time can't answer that question right now he's literally saying that well I heard him say yes I condemn it don't say there's an aspect I like or I it's horrible and bad and when minorities or or whatever then it's the voice of the unheard we all agree with that no one said that we supported riots I think you have that's called Stephen who I think that's projection that's called projection what and got banned for saying that he he was totally against the violence that was going on I certainly was against the violence so so was Joe Biden who I support you're talking I will sort of say there have been a number of uh people who who R the certainly uh including like the guardian uh and there's been other commentators Paul Mason uh in F I'll have to get these people's names up specifically but you can see how they reacted in 2011 to the London riots which was caused because uh that there there was there was a uh there was a Gangland member who was shot by the police and that started riots all across the country yeah these people in 2011 at the time was saying again Riot to the language of the unheard this is you know actually you know actually we need to defend the riers so you know they started doing films about oh how we need how the rst look yeah but I'm saying obviously now like now we know that you're not saying this but certainly a number of people on the British left right now who are saying that you know we need to send the Army in have been had the complete opposite opinion when it comes to you know leftwing violence I think that's fair I mean I'm not going to deny it in America there have been a lot of people who I think have had an about face on this and depending on who the person is perpetrating it I I agree there's hypocrisy but I don't think we should be victims of that hypocrisy and I think we should stand up and like if there are people causing disorder and rights like I think that what starmer said was who can have a problem with it I mean you guys pointed to I thought I saw you guys do the comparison shots between the BLM protests and his response to that versus the the RS that are going on now but can't you see like a difference in supporting peaceful protests versus violent riots and do you think that starmer actually would equivocate between those two I don't understand what the point of this is the point of what of these question it's to make sure that we're all like understanding what's legitimate what's illegitimate you know a few weeks ago we had an assassination attempt on a former president United States and now I'm gonna go at Stephen I think he was a little bit weak at on it at first and I I think it's just important every time these things happen for us to don't rot me don't wrote me on your cuckoldry okay absolutely not don't wrote me on your cuckoldry well hang on so now I gonna go after you because you did say and actually you doubled down before uh I think a week ago when I asked you would you still say that it's okay to burn down a police station in response to police or I don't know police brutality and you said yeah it would be and so now I'm going to go after you do you think it would be that hold on first of all a couple weeks ago you asked me if I supported the particular burning down of a particular which I don't ever remember doing inis I don't I don't I don't remember supporting a particular one the line of question that was given from chat and I'm I think I still feel the same was that if you indeed do if it gets to the point where you want to Riot and you want to get violent or whatever I don't think you should ever Riot against private property but if you want to ride against public property it makes more sense because this would be the target of your IR because you feel like whatever uh you know it's the it's the government that's [ __ ] you over whatever pretty sure those were all of my statements you can look it up and find something that contradicts it uh I don't think I've ever like said in particular this police station should be burned out or this thing pretty sure all I've ever said if you are going to write destroy stuff it should at least be public property not private property pretty support or would you not support the burning down of police station in BLM it would it would depend on the circumstances like um like random burning down a public property or random burning probably not but like theoretically let's say there was some police station and there was like a lining of like two black people and the local cops exonerated all their own people and they said well nothing happened and like everybody saw the recordings whatever people decided to Riot or whatever it escalated some violent sh they burn it down I don't know I I don't know if I feel as bad about that like it makes more sense there but I mean I mean so who are you to talk down to like these people then I guess if they they feel that immigration has like I totally disagree with them I think they're stupid as hell but they feel like their country is being taken away from them that's the same kind of sentiment that I'm hearing from them yeah but my issue is they're always too spineless to just admit what they don't like they immigration or they try to pretend that it's about Muslims it's about brown people like if they just said that I more respect for it like brown people are scary idea is that is first of all the article that you link me says nothing about this person being Christian whatsoever so it just says that uh he was originally from cardif and that he moved there with Rwanda parents when he was age six so nothing in this being Christian okay wait whatever right okay yeah but that's my issue is that if people would just be honest and people just say listen these people are you know the mass Brown migrants are going to destroy our [ __ ] culture or whatever then I'm like okay fine I get it they hide behind like all this other like cring [ __ ] like this guy earlier was just say like well they happen to be protesting near a mosque and some of them might have thrown bricks through the window but it wasn't about protesting outside the mosque originally like bro if you're going to burn out a police station say it if you're going to throw bricks into a mosque say you're there to protest the mosque like don't like mince words Stephen are you like you just said if you're scared they're going to change their the culture how would they change the culture how would they do that how would all these Brown immigrants change the culture I I can't I'm I'm not a racist so I can't compute the question are you how Muslims could change the culture you guys are just afraid of brown people and then you said it's all about these brown people changing the culture if it's said like Mass migration and Muslim they go together it's like what right yes how so how would the brown people change the culture how would the brown people change the culture is it because maybe there are other factors is it because maybe there are other factors than just immigrants being Brown there could be and maybe that's people's main issue which is why people were protesting outside a mosque and not just outside random Brown people's houses do you understand that when a Christian does a terror attack and the response is we're going to protest outside of a mosque and the only thing linking these two things together is that Muslims tend to be brown and the attacker was brown AR two things that people dislike about Mass immigration is when they stab children and also when they change the religious Dynamic of the country to something that is this guy was a Christian churchgoer yeah well he people that is not in line with British culture values stabbing children Tech knife attack stabbing be pretty British to me but um lately I mean like what does that have to do with protesting outside of a mosque because these are both foreign it's not that they're brown it's that they're foreign they're not English also are you like part of the Church of England or what is the what was the British thing when they broke up with the Catholic Church Source on the on on the guy being a Christian Church goer so I'll pick you up on something first Destiny and I don't think maybe this is not your fault but you said it doesn't say in that article that he's Christian no one said that it was released that he was Christian it was released that he was the son of randons Rowanda is like 99% Christian that's where that comes from it's not in the article they said it was Christian there was Randon simple mathematics says that he's Christian so you think that when it was released was re wanden you don't think there's like a heavy Association going on with like if it's again if it's 99% Christian why was the protest outside of a mosque because they're both foreign nowed the United kdom doesn't work like the United States you guys talk about race so much we talk about ethnicity and if you're not English you're not from England you're foreign part of the massive vote for brexit for example in 2016 was about white migration coming here Europeans largely being Eastern Europeans again it's it's that instance and while part of the wider discussion about immigration we're not massively concerned about race when you talk to people it's about foreigners now being Brown so sorry you asked a question okay wait so it's it's about ethnicity and it's about being English what does English mean what does the English ethnicity do what do we just to make sure we're on the same so the English are an ethnic group they live in England mostly the diaspora is a little bit around the world like all other ethnic groups is this like Anglo-Saxon or what are we what is a what in the same way sorry sorry are you denying that English exists as an ethnic group because I don't know how I'm going to be totally honest Nation R and ethnicity like tons of different ways I've never heard of the English ethnicity before I think I've heard of angloa before but I I'm just I'm just trying to understand what you're saying I'm not even I'm not trying to poke fun of or make I'm just not sure when you say English ethnicity I'm not sure what that ethnic group or what you're referring to I'm just curious there's like a more particular gods are up north it's not hard the Irish have their own Island the Welsh are from Wales this isn't difficult got the English Welsh Scots and the Irish on this archipelago so do you guys think that England could be EIC groups okay wa okay wait okay so okay so when you talk about English Welsh Irish or Scottish is that is do you consider that another ethnic group in the UK okay all right okay I don't know I'm just like I said even between Canada and America I think we use ethnic ethnicity and race different okay so are you telling me that when you guys are trying to get the reduction of immigrants coming to the country do you feel just as strongly about white immigrants Brown immigrants Catholic immigrants and Muslim immigrants so put the definition of an ethnic group in the chat if you can I mean as Callum was saying like the brexit vote in 2016 was driven primarily by you know concerns of immigration from the rest of Europe you know a lot of people were saying you know polls Romanians who were the most of the people coming over to the UK for work and obviously people concerned about about about um jobs and wages and so people were concerned about people coming from Europe who looked you know just as white quote unquote as you or I um so that's why you know that's why so so the UK immigration stuff hasn't been you know um racially quote unquote based for for a while that's a simplification I mean they were also concerned about quote unquote sovereignty and the the power of Brits to control themselves and final question one final question have there ever been like riots or anything outside of like Catholic churches yeah there were fights were polish immigrants if I remember correctly because there were polish gangs I think it was in Boston but can you like me a story about like like a vandalization or something of like a Catholic Church that's happened the last few years I'm just Ked see it you have to go and find it because it was what about that's that's about 10 years ago we're talking now but the the discussion isn't about is it white or black is our point and it's obvious that if you're a different skin tone it gives away more likely that you're a foreigner or descendant of foreigners that's just how things work but the idea that it's it's not about all foreigners is is not untrue it it the the problem specifically with certain communities like Muslims is that their crimes are a lot worse than polls so as our friend mentioned here the concern with Eastern European migration was wages jobs housing things like this but when it comes to people from Pakistan it's about the [ __ ] up views they have about age of consent for example the the crimes are much worse in that particular community and therefore that's what's cause these T do you think they should be deported we have a Pakistani we have a Pakistani rapist who's been here for 9 years after do you believe that they should on mass be deported yeah okay uh on mass you believe Pakistani UK citizens should be thrown out of the country is that right I was talking about rapists no but just in general non- rapists well my position is that if they don't have citizenship we should let their visas expire and not issue reenal of visas or new visas because we have too many immigrants should UK citizens who have Pakistani Heritage should they be removed from the country if they have UK citizenship you can't legally do it I'm not asking if you can legally do it I'm asking should they be should they make it legal to do so Parliament can make it legal to do so I suppose they could make it legal to do so um they should should they yes or no I just said they shouldn't why not because it would cause chaos and we don't need it but don't you agree that they're destroying the character of the UK they're not English so the problem we have in the UK is the large numbers of people are coming in as Lawrence pointed out luten for example the reason it's changed so much is not because you have 10 guys who turn up who are foreign it's because you have thousands sure this would reduce a lot of the numbers right if you let's say 80% of them you get 80% out would you that the problem the problem we have is people who have come since 1997 it's a very short period of time uh it's about 10 million people and if you just not allow them to renew their visas or issue new visas for new people coming in those numbers will get back to levels in 1997 we didn't have these problems in 1997 so we will return to that time in regards to race relations I'm sorry is this Pisco talking right now or the okay who's got the loading screen on that's loner box okay well tell him okay can you shut off your video if it's just going to be that little loading thing yeah um I thought I turned it off yeah click the turn off button dumb he come here minut this is the Scottish ethnicity showing through [ __ ] it seems like the issue that you're identifying with the proposal that I just like put forward was Logistics like it would just be it would cause too much trouble to deport millions of UK citizens but in principle you wouldn't have an issue with it if it were painless what to engage and force migrations to to deport UK citizens who have Pakistani heritage we just don't need to do it whether you need to or not you're saying that the numbers are a big problem it's a numbers game and so you know who cares if it's if they're Visa holders or UK citizens yeah maybe one's easier one's not as easy but why not just get them all out well you can make a good case if they've committed crimes so for example the guy I mentioned he raped women I believe it was in Ram served his sentence but has Pakistani and British citizenship and so we've been trying to get rid of him and 9 years after his sentence has already been served he still not been deported the level problem we're dealing with to be clear so you would you would agree then there therefore that UK citizens who have English Heritage ethnicity let's say should not be deported somewhere else right but UK citizens who have Pakistan Heritage maybe they should be deported who do crimes I mean I mean if UK citizens commit crimes we should lock them up no but should we Deport and with that right that's how Australia is made whether that's how Australia was made or not you would agree wouldn't you that we shouldn't Deport UK citizens who have English Heritage just because they commit crimes that's fair right but but hang on I mean Deport them the entire point of what mentioned somebody who has dual citizenship can be deported wa I was deported my grandmother is English and I was deported just for questioning Mass migration so clearly this is a very possible thing to do like if you don't have a good reason to engage in for wa wait wait also wait hold on wait Lauren you don't have English British citizenship well I am British e ethnicity stop the English was the ethnicity not the British okay don't mix your words up don't accidentally okay show your ass okay no the English was the ethnicity you didn't have British citizenship you can't be I don't know if they even count as Deport any the point is she just wanted to she just wanted to tell her story about having her Free Speech suppressed the point is it's very easy to prevent people from coming into the country for a lot less than stabbing little children and running around calling for Sharia law they could do it very possible they choose not to why didn't the conservatives do it great question they suck they're not actually conservatives that's why they got voted out in Mass because everyone wanted an actual conservative party and they didn't get it and now Nigel farage is going to be the opposition because he's the only one that's actually representing but it sounds like the people don't and this is this is one of my big problems with these riots is because the people don't support the policies that you're asking for you you you point to brexit and yeah you got brexit but brexit there were a lot of people who were voting for breit for a lot of different reasons not the least of which were I think some lies and now we see sort of the consequences of it but nobody there's there's no humongous support for uh reform or for Nigel farage's policies at the moment he got what people most people in most countries want to limit immigration like this is popular across the vast majority of the UK has has always had a majority in favor of limiting immigration nobody has ever voted for Mass migration even though every party since Blair has done it since 1997 nobody has ever voted in favor of opening the doors the rest of every single time every single time A party's won an election since 1997 they have won it on a pledge to reduce migration or at least you know crack down on Bard security so the people have overwhelmingly voted for the my literally my entire lifetime you know to shut down migration and I know you saidit was built on some liines again the primary factor driving brexit was concerns over immigration that was the number one thing why people voted brexit which is why you saw in various polls you know as Boris got into power in 2019 you know immigration Dro as kind of savings because they thought oh brexit is now like is now fixing it but now immigration now popped up on people's issues again because Boris ironically with the conservatives over the past five years has led in even more migrants than Blair did almost almost during his entire period you know people been talking about the Boris wave and the amount of new migrants who've come in literally just over the past four or five years is you paint it as an all or nothing it's not like that you know people want immigration to some extent but not other extents it's like people want taxes to some extent but not the full extent and so you painting it as well people are in favor of limiting immigration yeah that's that's true in here in the America you know we have a Democrat Republican party who are both running on um limiting immigration more that's true but no one is proposing things like what [ __ ] is proposing where we're just like getting rid of all of our Visa programs um you know the most that we've done is like closed down the Customs Union right and but no one is talking about the kind of policies I think that you guys are proposing so the conservative just so you know as well just so you know as well like the labor party did not run on tens of thousands net migration or capping or anything like that and they got the biggest Landslide since the 1800s right they got the biggest majority since the 1800s uh we don't typically have referenda on every key policy that's why you can have a situation where most people support nationalizing the railways but we don't vote in a government that does it same with immigration you can look at our attitudes like I think you said a majority of people want to limit immigration to some degree I mean that's true but that attitude's also been dropping since the 1960s in the UK overall and the same and compared to the rest depending how you ask the question it goes down even lower so yeah that's the reform they ran on a very loud very clear anti-immigrant first campaign they won five seats four of which are like 94% white which is way above the national average which is but reform then came in seconded vote share sorry same sorry came third in vote share uh gained more votes than than uh than ukip ever did came second in around a 100 or so constituencies and of course more people would be voting reform if they voted in a political system just PR where they thought oh you know because a lot of people would not be vo voting reform because they didn't have a chance and if you're going to say that labor you know won this you know massive majority you know actually not to do with immigration you know turnout was down way down to around 52% which is the lowest turnout we've seen since around 2001 2005 labor did not win the election the conservatives lost the election the conservatives support in so many constituencies like the labor vote bar moved at all it's just the conservative vote absolutely plummeted because everybody who supported the conservatives who supported them reducing immigration you know for again when they've been in power for you know the past 15 14 15 years when they didn't do it their voters decide well eff it I'm not going to turn out and support the conservatives because they're not implementing the policies that we want them to do that's why labor won because their support remain pretty much the same the cons I'm sorry the fact is is that everyone in the UK knows that that's the electoral system that signed up to when we had the election every party ran their strategies and their campaigns based on winning seats not winning popular vote uh the reform vote share by the way was like I think they won maybe 200,000 votes more than uh ukip did like in 2016 it wasn't even that much of a surge but again turnout was low there was a party there with a very loud voice Nel farage who gets disproportionate representation on question time and everything else saying I'm going to stop immigration like the conservatives didn't and yeah like you said turnout was low so yeah this is the elal system if you want to change the enti system you can advate for that and get my point was you can't use reform being up 14 15% of the vote share to say that oh only this percentage of people support reforms policies I'm saying more people would support a reform if we were in a PR system that's my point so you just can't say that because there only got X number of votes that means it's only only that percentage of the population who actually supports them rather than it would we had a referendum we had a referendum on changing the vote system and we voted against it we had that 10 years ago I mean we can have another one if you want but yeah please do you think our democra Sy is like illegitimate now or is that yes okay well the alternative vote well the alternative vote one wasn't even PR the alternative vote system would have helped the lib Dems more as the third party so that was just a purely selfish system explain how how broken the British system is for the Americans so you guys get to vote for both of your Chambers you get to vote for the head of state and some local stuff as well so we in the UK we don't get to vote for our equivalent of the Senate they're just appointed we don't get to vote for our presid they just become the biggest uh leader in the election for the representatives so we have very little in terms of democracy we love the referendum I'll be honest that's probably the best time I've ever had in terms of being proud of we had an economic sorry democratic system since then they tried to overthrow that referendum which caused a lot of problems and why bis in theb winning so democracy in the UK is kind of a Cham I mean it's a good example of have a different just because you have a different system doesn't mean it's not a democracy right it is a form of democracy but it's super rigged I mean one of the funny things about people rebelling against that is in the United States for example you guys are stuck with a two-party system and that's somewhat tolerable because it's first P the post and you're in the two party we used to be there and it sort of made sense again you know full well of the problems that brings but in our current age the public no longer vote as if it's a first P the post system they say screw it and vote as if we live in a proportional representation multi-party democracy because they just want change and by results even though uh K got the most seats he got 33% of the vote which is buger all especially in British politics wait but I mean like I don't I don't when you say he got 33% of the vote was this because of how you guys do like districting or whatever or because in the United States this exact same thing happens too like our president that you said that we get to directly elect we don't really directly re elect them our states do that's why Republicans win elections even though they lose the popular vote over and over and over and over and over again yes you have your problems but we don't even get that access at all is my point can I say something on the buildup to this because this was very important and and our friend was bringing that up which is that in 1997 so once upon a time I decided to sit and look at every election Manifesto of the winner of the election going back over 20 years so in 1997 the discussion on immigration used to be we didn't have a problem with immigration so they would just talk about what they called Asylum shopping so this was someone who would get to Greece and then claim asylum in the UK we're familiar with this now but back then it was kind of a quirk only few tens of thousands of people did it then up to the 2010s it becomes more of an issue on 2010 the David Cameron government wins on the pledge to basically put in a hard cap of under 100,000 he said they reduce migration to tens of thousands that's where our friend loner box got that saying from and ever since if you look at every conservative party Manifesto where they won the election they say the same thing right up until Boris Johnson where they kind of gave up and just said we will control it and then they massively expanded it so yes the public have voted for this policy and it has been ignored just just quickly jumping in on that as well even labor voters major as a majority support luring immigration can you link a poll on that just curious I just want to see that because everything I see for like immigration Britain seems to have it like 5050 if what it feels like in terms of whether too many immigrants here or not so it's kind of weird if even labor reports it who who are all these I say and labor how you the question specifically one labor specifically said to promise cut to promise to cut net migration to the UK did not set an overall Target so labor specifically as well uh said that they would and I'll find a find a polling on that as well quick fact go check the manifestos quick question when did you say the name was released of the boy who did the stabbing Tuesday no sorry no name Nate name released was Friday Thursday Friday but was a Randon was it August 1st uh some sometime around that um now so CH was it August do you know know it to be August 1st or do you not know it to be August 1 uh in terms of in terms of when the name was released I know it was like Friday Saturday sometime around that or Thursday it it was towards the end of the week if the point is you're saying it was after the first Riot then yeah that's what I'm saying yeah yeah but we already knew his name it it was he was identified as the son of of two Randon immigrants on Tuesday morning which is which which which was July asking ask a question um I just ask you can cut through all of this really really easily I just want to ask um oh sorry um after you ask this I just want to give Shawn a chance to respond because his audio is a little low and he hasn't been able to get in but yes go ahead oh I just wanted to ask do we all agree that the people who did those riots were more likely to be getting their information from accounts like Robinson or X accounts than they were from the BBC Telegraph Etc why is everyone so quiet do we agree or not almost obviously certainly Twitter on Tuesday morning you know Twitter on Tuesday morning already and Tom Robinson at said were already saying that again as can says here the youth who cannot be named for legal reasons and is originally from Cardiff moved to the Southport area with his Randon parents when he was age six on that side of Twitter telegram by Tuesday morning this was already spreading and people were well aware of this Sor sorry wa wait Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson first when he mentioned that they spoke about Rwanda and parents Tommy Robinson just said it was gaslighting and didn't elaborate that's what his tweet said um do we did we all watch the gaslighting the gaslighting people were talking about I don't care about the Tommy Robinson video the mass the gaslighting people were talking about is when the mainstream media came out and said he was Welsh this is a UK UK born yes that they describe and then the gaslighting we have actively heard in this call has been you guys saying well he's the son of refugees and he's a Christian do you have any confirmation on that for all of the getting upset about what was specifically said by people who was no one in this call what about you guys and all the BS you're talking about I mean both stepen and Pisco have been like Christian hang hold on yeah this is about what was going on in the media sphere about the R I haven't covered this that was going on in the media sphere he was well she was UK born trying to guy yeah but if you leave out the other details you're sure trying to spin an were people reporting this who were leaving out the other details or people who were remarking how funny it was to be throwing bricks at a mosque because a Welsh born Christian wouldn't stab people why he's a Christian please so what you're saying so what you're saying now on the Christian Point shows the whole game right you're saying it's not even confirmed now if he's Christian is that right yes no corre I already something in so so you just said you said yes or no you just said yes or no that even now we don't know that he's Christian is that correct yes when when the Christian Muslim stuff was being talked hang on given that the fact that it was released that he was randing on Tuesday that's you what you say by the way we have no evidence that that reach Mass um you know information or that it was reported by credible sources or anything like that but the fact that you're saying now that it's not confirmed that he's Christian you would agree therefore that the first Riot occurred before that information was released and when it was under the impression that he was Muslim no no no it was on Tuesday it was on Tuesday the Telegraph reporter we we've linked you this in the chat we've talked about it on Tuesday the telegraph reported he was a son of two Rwandan immigrants but you said that that isn't confirmed for even for you that he's Christian is that fair what is that but has nothing to do whether he's Christian or not we've established this already people weren't people weren rioting over him being Christian they were rioting over him being foreign and then said he's born in the UK you keep saying born in UK just so you guys know what what the point is never been here if Mass immigration if immigration didn't happen that's you don't even know how his family got here though you don't know what they immigrated under what if they immigrated under a perfectly legal thing what if it was like an asylum Refugee situation have idea people don't want immigration and and that's why saying then at least specify that don't say you're opposed to mass immigration just say you're opposed to immigration period you don't want any immigrants no immigrants at all Refugee Asylum nothing no immigrants at all IM you're appeal you're appealing to popular opinion popular opinion when it comes to limiting immigration people might say they want immigration reduced people don't say stop them all coming as far as we know about Christianity I think there was one uh one or two tabloids I think like trt said that the people in the local community said that the parents were regular church goers and they were Christian that's what they said as far as we know these parents like they were from a quiet community they didn't they hadn't really done anything I don't think they were refugees they came in 2002 which probably just means they were regular migrants but I don't know what's the claim here like you understand that any demographic ever is going to have some people who commit crimes okay the the amount of crime being committed by specific demographics it's a little uneven but before we continue I do uh Stephen you're really good at troubleshooting yeah I will but could could anyone I really want to get Shawn's mic audio up does anyone know what he needs to do I am way too much of a boomer turn his up maybe yeah well the problem is he's using the streamer mic which is the sm7b it might do you have a cloud lifter attached to it yeah okay you do is the gain on the uh on your mixer or your interface turned up let me find that hold on everybody stop getting mad at each other and off again sir no my mix is somewhere I just find it but it's definitely there hold on let me find it I'll turned that up I didn't think of that said said while this is all being debated as people saying talking about Christianity and then that what you know well well when was the last time Jack we're troubleshooting sorry blew up an arena one was the last time a what a Christian the Manchester bombings yeah okay I don't I have no idea they don't okay spoiler they louder or lower no Lauren Lauren Lauren a little bit before just before I jumped on you said that it looks like uh what Stephen made a joke about stabbing being a British thing you said it looks like it is now where what were you referring to there am I getting lower orings and AET attacks have gone up as a result of mass migration I just think it's funny that you metion it's funny that you mentioned that because like as far as stabbing is being a problem in the UK the worst time we had stabbing and when we were the [ __ ] knife murder capital of Europe was in like the mid 2000s in [ __ ] Glasgow like a majority White pasty [ __ ] population that's when we had the back when people like uh in that in that Community had like a life expectancy that for men it was like 54 or something like lower than the Gaza Strip that was actually when we had it worse with knife cry I mean you can send me that data I'd be happy to look at it but um and I mean there was a time known as the troubles where there were bombs going off and terrorism happening and so like let's not pretend that this is a a I agree there's a problem with terrorism in the in the Islamic world but like what are we talking about here are we literally talking about shutting down all all immigration are you in favor of laws that stop all immigration including Asylum yes or no and that's to Callum and I'm sorry I keep forgetting your name sour evil and Dak sorry you're in favor of stopping all imigra right now for you to tell me if I'm getting higher or lower a little bit a little bit a little higher we can hear you higher a little higher turning this wheel is it too loud now no no no wait what what are you turn the wheel what you into the doohickey the doohickey I is it what what do you plug into is it red what color is it show me it pick it up blue I have a doohickey I left my red one is that an H1 whatever H4 what is that you're using an XLR to USB with an inline um [ __ ] converter where's your cloudlifter show me Jes it's Cloud lifter it doesn't have dongles on it it looks like oh no I can't this thing that's a blue cloudlifter not that I'm using it right now am I [ __ ] do Cloud elrics need phantom power to work what's phantom power none of us non know what the [ __ ] any of you you should know this they don't need and power I don't think no it's a I have a cloud lifter it lifts wait why can't I be heard I don't you're you're a little better I don't know how but you are a little better May because somewhere between your cloudlifter there's a was a [ __ ] you guys CL do need power to work it's it needs power it adds gain how would it work otherwise just power am I louder than everyone oops you don't do you does your little does the inline thing that you have built does it have a plus 48v switch on it somewhere no I don't have that whatever okay your [ __ ] is phantom power power and phantom power not the what else would you be excuse me if you're talking about power for a mic first of all I said phantom power but secondly what else would you be talking about it's an XLR cable they don't carry power to it of course you're talking about phant power otherwise right wait hang on wait wait wait Cloud lifters you talking about the M oh okay Cloud I don't know they're little is it a preamp I think yeah listenor amplifier guys Hy th obviously I don't I don't know never got out stage yeah you can turn up your also wait as this a quick as a quick real fact check by an American patriot who is white um would we talk about do Christian bomb [ __ ] wasn't there like a whole thing with Ireland for a little bit where they were kind of BL they're friends now believe it or not oh things can change amazing right as capitals of Europe someone who bombs stuff more than you do comes inang hang on like couple things bu up there firstly like Northern Ireland just looks you from the outside you say oh it's a Catholic versus Protestant thing it's not it's an Irish versus British thing it's an ethnic conflict that happens to you know match onto religious lines they weren't killing each other because you know because they believed in you know solar scriptura you know no no they were killing each other because both of them believe that they had in their communities the right to live in Northern Ireland so it's not a religious conflict it's an ethnic conflict just happens to be across you know sectarian divides in that way you don't think it's at all you don't think like iany was CRI the only reason why the only reason why other people have like there's there's there's fewer knife murders here is because the hospitals are getting far far better treating Stab Wound so people don't actually die um I do want to bring up a graph here and I can link it in the chat but I if we could get our Progressive friends in the chat to tell me uh violent crime conviction rate in Denmark by country of origin uh where where do you think the top like 10 to 20 countries are all around where do you think Japan is versus for for what I have no idea you crime conviction right no no no these are immigrants to IMR from Japan immigrants from you know say Europe is Norway very similar to is it is it normalizing I'll send this look at it is already absolutely no so then I'm gonna just discard that no I'm just this is the point is everybody knows it there are certain countries certain immigrants who commit more crime than others and denying this is just delusional yeah but no one's denying that Lauren I was just asking you to elaborate on it in the UK which ethnic in the UK are doing the most crime it's seem toest they were going from Muslims right so um okay you don't think Islamic immigrants are more likely to commit crime than you know I'm asking you to elaborate I know the answer your arguments would carry more legitimacy if you actually like had more targeted I haven't looked at immigration in Europe in a long time but my understanding was that your group of immigrants that were the most likely to commit crime were generally people that were immigrating from northern uh Africa but when you just say Muslims like the people that came from Syria in the refugee crisis we're not the same as people that come from from like Morocco Tunisia like North Africa syri pretty high Syria is pretty high on the crime rates as well when you say you something on the arrest rates if you want like we can look at so I think in the UK the highest crime rates are from uh people from the Caribbean know from wind rush like those Generations I thought that was where all the big disproportionate crime waves are coming from the massively High arrest and conviction rates for pakistanis it's a little bit higher than white not much I think it's 11.3 versus 9.4 uh Arabs in the UK have a lower arrest rate than white people it's like less than half so yeah it's a little bit that's why I'm asking you I feel like you don't know though that's why I mean if you want to send that data showing that Arabs commit less crime than white Brits I'd be happy to look at that I don't lot Arabs are Muslims what are we talking about what the [ __ ] what do you mean Arabs us what loner box said Arabs andab yeah is going through and and is making the good point I think that there are different groups of immigrants who are Muslim I mean Pakistan is different than um they're not Arab right and Arabs are different you know it maybe from one locality versus another and people from Rwanda are not even Muslims so like it seems like there's a you know the one factor that cuts through everything is they're all brown that seems like stand true what's going on here well you know what you're probably right if a Norwegian person that was born in Norway and their family came from Norway that was Muslim came over to the UK they would probably commit less crime wait Norway is not the country that had the one dude that like walked to the island bow and arrow and like [ __ ] killed like 20 people that's one dude wait wa wait wait so I have a question Lauren would you be one dude that's like half the population of Norway to be fair I ask Lauren unironically would you be in favor if it's true if what you're saying is true and that um Muslim immigrants commit much more crime why wouldn't you be in favor of a Muslim ban into UK um I'm in favor of reasonable levels of immigration that are sustainable and have actual assimilation connected to them it doesn't mean AAL musim problem yeah but it seems like musim when you have enough people come into a town like Luton that I can't put up a pride poster without people spitting on me and the police having to arrest me because it's going to cause a riot yeah you have too many Muslims in one area that aren't assimilating so let's why don't we follow Donald Trump's lead and let's ban Muslim immigration until weig saying that's not what I'm saying I'm asking I mean I I would just put it wouldn't just be Muslims it would be you need to stop immigration until you have proper housing numbers for people until You' taken care of your homeless until you have cultural cohesion again uh why would we start with just Muslims that's you saying that problem right I mean there's a model there is a problem there is a problem there with extremism for sure why don't we start there why don't we I mean if you want to sure no no would you agree with the policy Lauren I just told you the policy I agree with you're not listening I said that I think we need significant L immigration to the West I don't think we need to Bone I don't think it needs to be specific to religion Laur Lauren you're imagine okay your president I know it's prime minister but I'm just joking you're president of Canada or or let's just make it UK you're the prime minister of UK a bill comes across your desk and let's say you have to sign it I know it's different in the UK I know it's different would you sign if it said ban all Muslim immigration into UK would you sign it yes or no I I would propose a different bill that was just based on mass immigration because like you said look at this randan probably not Muslim not Muslim problem is the answer you wouldn't sign that bill if it was before you if that was the only Bill I had available to stop the hordes of people coming in yeah I'd probably sign it but I would prefer something else that wasn't specific to just Muslims like you're giving me the most strange Niche question ever and forcing me to answer yes to it like what is the other option you just let everybody in say you could say no this bills you say I just I literally my first answer was no I would prefer a bill that addressed wider immigration issues and still had flexibility for people who were nonradical Muslims to come in not in M where they taking over neighborhoods say no I don't agree with Islamic restri sorry immigration restrictions based on religion I don't agree with that you could have said that like I'm not that's literally what I said and you're not listening but you said that you if push came to shove and that were the only on your if push came to shove and that was my only option to stop the mass immigration which is causing issues across the board that have nothing in some cases to do with religion just violent crime everything yeah I would rather sign that and perhaps prevent some grooming games and stuff but that grooming games but that would not be my preferred method of approach no that would not be it but it would be an infringement wouldn't you say wouldn't everyone say on the right to practice your religion if we're making restrictions based on religion where does it end I mean really no one is no one is like no no one here is saying that you're making an extreme hypothetical to try to push me into a box to say look you want to restrict I I don't want that I told you I don't want that this country in this country at least in America it's not an extreme hypothetical because a leading candidate for president proposed it and so it's something that we have to deal with because there are people in my country a lot of people who agree with an outright Muslim ban as a policy and so to me it's anything but hypothetical we had years of litigation over that's not happening and it didn't Happ okay now you can say the the ending up you know Bill wasn't a Muslim ban but it's an issue in my country it's not what I'm proposing to you when what I'm telling you isn't something that's just hypothetical and in fact people from the the English defens leag whatever this league is right I'm sure that they would all say yes happily would sign it of course they would that would be the point right I mean sorry just gonna say the English Defense League which hasn't existed for 10 years by the way whatever these people are these whatever these people are Tomy they don't even know what they're talking well Jack would you answer the question would you agree would you sign happily a B on Muslim immigration to UK yes or no well I like I I want to ban on all immigrations to the UK right but if it were to start with Muslims would you start would you start there and would you sign a Muslim ban no I wouldn't sign a Muslim ban specifically okay that's that's great I'm I'm glad to hear the non-favor Muslim Callum would you it doesn't go far enough so no okay okay so that's a start I just want to stop all immigration even asylums right all all forms of immigration all visas too ukrainians because they made up that's the reason the net migration Spike yeah just like here like like here's a point on asylums and refugees for example the problem with the mass immigration is because of how tiny our country is in terms of population infrastructure like we can't actually take you know people who should be uh ailed here temporarily so for example if we didn't have massive immigration we probably would have had the infrastructure to temporarily take some of take some of the uh Ukraine refugees over who would then be able to they wouldn't live here forever but they able to go home after the war ended Hong Kong obviously like in terms of international British obligations we have more of that because the because the because the treaty with China uh to defend Hong Kong is made with us and there's people moving Hong Kong right now are being oppressed over that but you know if if like 200,000 Hong kongers came in like a country with no Mass immigration would probably be able to handle that a t of a lot better than a country where you have millions of people coming in basically every year and mass immigration is a system that currently exists in the UK and and that's represented by why you have to say Millions like net migration there's never been a million in the UK has it maybe like yeah over the last year it pretty much just net net migration I thought net migration was 600,000 no no it hasn't been for a couple of years now I have put in a graph in the chat I will I will relink it sorry I'm a bit annoyed because I'm I'm a bit obsessed with that topic and it's annoying how little people to have picked up on it Mass migration to this country was described that way when it was at 300,000 because it was a massive change from our pre 1997 situation the net migration graph you sent me is below a million just so you know it's it's it's what I said it's about 600,000 it's a bit over 600000 sorry I'm probably thinking of something else then but I'm pretty sure it's higher than that maybe it's not including refugees for that graph but yeah you think you think there are 400,000 refugees coming to the UK one I think there was a separate section on that actually if I recall correctly I feel this is like the goto topic for you guys I feel like you should have these numbers fairly accessible n migration was unusually high in 233 partly because a third of them were Ukrainian it was 685,000 usually we're about 3 400,000 why where did Millions come from because you count the numbers so if you if Lauren comes back she's currently away so if she can get that graph on screen okay which gra I'll bring a graph on screen we'll see if I can do that wa wait okay you said you said Asylum added made up the difference how many Asylum Seekers came to the UK and you said refugees Asylum Seekers no I I said it maybe maybe which page is this on Callum which page is this on this is a whole it's in the disc yeah are you guys not like the go-to voices in Immigration you don't even know the [ __ ] numbers for net migration and Asylum seeking UK to help him bring it up Callum which page of this house of f what because he wants to get it right obviously [ __ ] up so if you go to the bottom of the chat you can then find a full stop that should take you uh the thing it's full stopping towards should take you to the image I've added um I'm not the goto voice for this thing I'm a travel vlogger mate uh but that graph is horrific and people want to return to the 1997 era they don't want to live with the current ERA that's the complaint he just so you guys know the net migration was unusually high in 2023 and it was like 600,000 usually it's 3 400,000 for Asylum Seekers it was 84,000 in that year us yeah that's still 700,000 I'm so sorry that I mixed up gross and net you know when when when like when the net is when the actual point is that still over over a million people came to the country you know Brits are then leaving you know hey maybe I wonder maybe maybe maybe maybe a reason why so many Brits are leaving is because millions of people came to the country wait that first of all say sorry I mix up gross and net I mean it's gross and net is kind of important right like if 500,000 Muslims migrated to your country and like 10 million left I'm sure you'd be happy about that so gross and net matter number one number two are all of our like white eth British people the UK where are they going where where are they going to a place that's free of Muslim immigration if they're leaving the UK are they going they're not going back to the European Union I hope because that would be pretty embarrassing if that was the case right I mean a lot of people are moving to Australia right now you see even Australians that so many Brits are moving there when they when they have a housing crisis so same we've got a problem with Brits coming here I believe I believe Brits are still a very significant immigration population to Canada the US and Australia yeah we're trying to do something about that but um I need to kick two people because I'm have someone else coming in here shortly uh is anyone like have to leave soon you can kick me who is that PCO okay yeah I guess I me you can kick me if I'm unhearable I'm just like kind of oh if you have more to add I feel like you haven't gotten to to chat chitchat at all are you gonna this is the worst Pio recital ever am I still like not hearable I don't we can hear you now we can hear you now okay okay you know what I'll just just stick around peace go he's gonna go and then I'll just add Lucy Lucy will be good because she is uh she's kind of got critiques of all sides and she's I mean she's a conservative one trillion per and is exclusively anti-immigration and has never said a good thing about a leftly any person entire life I'm ready for it all right she's against the riots but okay oh Pisco just left on his own that's helpful good [ __ ] him Peruvian immigrant by the way isn't he what is he he's something something bad all right let me truly the worst I'm joking okay sorry I couldn't get your document up here Callum it just it doesn't take me directly to the graph but I I did my best if you tell me what yeah if you tweet it out I can um Stephen do you actually think that uh these riots between the BLM and the UK stuff are comparable I mean they're both riots you think they're comparable in the UK Lauren like the BLM protest in the UK compared to these RS in the first six days nothing comparable between them I mean I've said that on X I've explained my reasoning in one case you have people actively asking to dismantle the police literally defund the police and in the other people are saying please enforce our borders hold on wait wait I want you to give me a better version of what you think BLM was protesting for try one more time against police brutality but we had plenty of people media uh activists BLM heads of the organization saying defund the police as their position why what were they saying it for what what do they want to do what was the end go because they believe the police are racist and what was the end goal the end goal was community policing Chaz I suppose there you okay there you go now you're saying it with derision because that's so unbelievable to you but there you goast unhinged unhinged yeah about is unhinged is saying we should Deport every single second generation immigrant from the UK you know it's a fantastic position that will never happen right people are not even asking for that in Mass they're just asking there in this call who was saying they would want to do that you wa Lauren what do you think the riers W in first six the rers I just I say that I don't believe they don't just want borders whoers wait who in this call said that well I heard somebody earlier today didn't somebody say that they would Deport if they had the ability to didn't PCO ask one of the two people in here questions if they would Deport all uh [ __ ] muslim immigrants or whatever did I misunderstand that well who said that I don't remember who PE was talking to somebody else I'm doing notes over here well we talked about deporting criminals we talked about getting rid of people's visas letting them Inspire and then deporting people but you know no nobody said we should Deport every second generation immigrant here hold on no who are Muslim sorry my bad Muslims if you can find didn't say that either is okay wait Callum are you in favor of deporting Muslims from the United Kingdom no I'm in favor of getting rid of foreigners again we don't talk in terms of race and such we talk in terms of ethnic groups okay I didn't bring up a race orthic for Muslims so you're okay all the Muslims that exist in Britain if they're white no the foreign ones have to go what is when you say foreign how foreign like up to second third fourth generation what does that mean no they're on a Visa you let the Visa expire and then if they overstay their visa they've now committed a crime which they can be arrested and forcibly deported for okay so they like the kid that did the wait wait so then the kid that just did the stabbing a few days ago you wouldn't be for deporting somebody like that before he did the stabbing cuz he's a second generation immigrant I don't know his immigration status just CU he's born here doesn't mean he's a British citizen but we shouldn't be in the situation to begin with so just to be clear just to be clear most of the migrant crime in the UK whether it's wind rush or the grimming gangs and all that like these are mostly second generation immigrants or at least disproportionately so these people it's not about Visa question these guys are British citizens I know we shouldn't have gotten this situation we should have never allowed their parents to come and they're here now so do you have any plans for them or do they just stay and have kids and those people have kids or what well if they're citizens you can't forcefully Deport them it's very sad if they've got your citizenship you can get rid of them and in terms of those on visas that makes up about I think it's 50% of our foreign population so about 5 million people which would completely correct the problems we're dealing with wait what say that last part again sorry I wasn't I it would completely correct the problems we're dealing with to get rid of the 5 million who have come in the last 20 years who are on visas okay but you would I I guess early when you're saying Deport foreigners I don't know what is a foreigner to you what does that count as just somebody that doesn't have citizenship or so in conversational terms when we use the word Foreigner we mean people who are not of the English when we're talking about England in the same way that if uh I'm English for example so I wouldn't be allowed in the Polish tribe I'm not a pole can't when you say of the English what do you I don't what are you referring to here so Russians USCS Persians Indians I mean non- English people I don't is a Russian like a person who just born in Russia or is it what I don't know what that means when you say Russian English do you mean people like citizenships to these countries or do you mean well we would be dealing with people either here on visas or if they have dual citizenship my position is get rid of the dual citizenship okay so when you say foreigners you're just referring to people that have dual citizenship that's the way you can deal with it yes it would solve all the problems and then most people would be happy okay okay so we've got Lucy here um Lucy I'm going to quickly read a few of the super chats because I've been ignoring everyone and then I'm going to give you a chance to introduce yourself and who you are uh okay people I have missed oh my goodness a lot of people actually omed Pacman that feel when you immigrate to the west to escape Islam only to see your home as being infected with the same ideology yeah not great um Lauren is going full Boomer mode from Jeremy s yes I am angel says the initial protest was largely due to the officials and press giving no answers at the beginning this was also a day or two after a massive Patriot rally in London on the 27th dashing Rogue this all started in the 90s with the satanic scriptures I don't know Glenn still appreciate your work thank you Spencer says Destiny thinks I'm evil I think he's just wrong we are not the same by their fruits you shall know them what fruits does destiny bear Angel Martin it would seemen this attack on our children was in response to the massive London Patriot rally um has a nonwhite culture no ever developed constitutionalism republicanism or a rule of law this was a question for Destiny but he's got a few more here uh Destiny are you being paid by act blue people want to know Jacob low uh yes they deposit a$ thousand dollars in my bank account every day I say something good about KL Harris okay wonderful this stream is a mess love you Lauren from Professor suan Destiny is literally a paid actor from Jacob L hello again Hellraiser Lauren and chat in regard to migration crime is there any data on the rate of crime from Mandan immigrants before Mass migration that would be good to look at for sure brew master again we should only accept immigration from Nations that share our values and maybe work visas for college students from Nations we want to influence and then Isabella I did not oh this is about my last video which I'm just not going to read but thank you for the Super Chat all right Lucy thank you for joining the stream a little bit about yourself obviously we've known each other for years but the chat may not know yeah yeah so I work for Tommy um I found myself falling into the rebel news um kind of cycle in just real quick so when you said you work for Tommy who was that Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson sorry I worked sort of technically for the rebel but it was as his support staff with a couple of gay guys George and Kalin who I'm sure Lauren knows um so yeah so we fell into that mainly on account of the terror attacks that were happening I would say that's what brought me into the game and then yeah and then um working for Tommy just sort of went from one problem to the other like obviously he's got his issues and they started to come out and then in 2018 we put on a big giant event called the day for freedom in whiteall and Tommy um invited a YouTuber called Ali dawa who I'm sure you know he was there with Muhammad hijab who I'm sure some people will recognize that name um and Tommy told me to go and tell them that they weren't invited anymore and I had to go and tell them to to leave and they got set upon by football Hooligans and drunk thugs basically I tried to protect them and then Tommy blamed this on me um and then I've spent the past six years being harassed and stalked by his followers and being called a Judas and all this kind of stuff um and now I'm kind of back finally got some restraining orders and now feel a little bit less afraid of being on the internet so I'm kind of here to just kind of push against some of his misinformation you know just kind of to exist like I'm not necessarily right or left I'm just sort of just trying to correct and just trying to see how things are going so I think he's being a bit of a warlord you know he's kind of warlord posting a lot yeah see interesting Destiny you were saying she was going to be a hardcore conservative do we have some oh no yeah not the Tommy Robinson employee of course not I was completely off my bad did Len you'll know that I joined BLM first right you're you're a smart guy you know that I come from BLM and and feminist um movements right yes actually because being smart means that you know every single random fact about every person on the planet so I did indeed know that thank you for reminding the you seem to know about me before just saying people people are never allowed to change their opinions your only one thing ever that's a true fact I said that as well I think yes that was a good [ __ ] I wanted to ask you Lucy um what so there did you hear the discussion that we had earlier about um the role in disinformation and starting the first Riot did you hear us talking about that I didn't hear the full bit no sorry so basically we were arguing or they were arguing about the role of disinformation in starting the first Riot and whether or not um people were led to believe or to blame Muslims for the stabbing in Southport um and whether Tommy Robinson's role in that what's your do you have an opinion on that first yeah of course he did just the first one of the first thing he tweeted wasn't it he was he was absolutely spreading misinformation saying that it sounded like and then this name that apparently translated to some phrase you know him right something like that I'm going to my apartment it was like Ali something or he was spreading that and then Katy Hopkins and then Lawrence Fox and yeah I would say that it was definitely like he fueled the flames and then also it was his his um guy Danny Danny tommo that works for him I think it was kind of my replacement but he was going on telegram saying oh whole city should be up in flames and all this kind of stuff so there's definitely like some some fingers to point that way yeah I think yeah I agree I just thought there was a bit of a disagreement on it earlier but you think that the uh this has been one of the big disagreements Lucy is the idea that why are people outside of mosque when this was a Rwandan you know second generation immigrant who wasn't Muslim why and of course Callum Jack and I are saying this is a culmination of many issues including the grooming gangs including the violence that has occurred the knife crime the carjackings whatever as well as cultural just contentions at the moment Free Speech issues uh would you agree that this wasn't just about the stabbing that occurred by it's been a buildup over years and years of workingclass people being ignored and slandered well yeah I don't think these people care anymore I don't think they care if it was a Muslim or not I think they're just going out in the street and they're taking their anger out on the people rather than the politicians because if you think about it you've had things like reform you had the brexit party we had the brexit vote and then they wanted us to vote again so we had to fight a second referendum got we've got all these groups that have been and gone you've got some more hard right groups you've got some more kind of liberalist type groups and the immigration figures as far as I know haven't really changed so there's been a lot of I think false promises that have been made and I think these are the people these are the people that just don't care anymore and that I don't think they feel like they have anything left to lose I think that's the things that you're seeing on the street at the moment I think it's very sad and very disgusting but I just don't think they care anymore and and it is gross and they are going around just punching black people if it's horrible um but that's the stuff that we were trying to warn about for years could happen if these issues aren't addressed Stephen everything Lucy is saying is correct yeah I completely agree oh excellent any thoughts from anyone else want to push back on that disagree this is what inevitably happens when you ignore the wishes of the people when the people say Mass immigration is a crisis when both left and right agree that immigration numbers are too high like they do in Canada and nothing has changed do you think that social chaos is the inevitable result and you had to do something to prevent it beforehand I think you're half right I don't think it's because there no half right no I'm say [ __ ] no you shouldn't have given him any credit in the beginning you everything else was right okay but no the issue is that you have no like actual policy position or actual stance on any of this that anybody cares to actually articulate because there's there might be some people that are genuinely frustrated with things in society immigration is an easy scapegoat there might be some people that are genuinely frustrated with immigration because immigration has caused some problems and there's a whole bunch of people who are just racist but since nobody actually articulates any real type of policy you just end up in a brexit likee situation where people like oh yeah we should brexit and then you spend the next like years arguing well [ __ ] I don't actually know what that looks like or I don't know what we should actually [ __ ] do and it's the same thing with immigration like every even even the policy positions have been articulated here like I'm against Mass migration I don't know why you keep saying that you're against all immigration just say that like what we said earlier say I'm against all immigration but people won't say that because but I'm not I'm not that's not my actual even when you say Mass migration what does mass migration mean so look at the graph so you notice how graph used to be that we had tens of thousands of people coming some leaving and it would hover up and down and then in 1997 the things changed because we had an enlargement of the European Union the numbers went up to the hundreds of thousands people considered this horrific which is why we ended up with the brexit referendum and then they tried to ignore the brexit referendum and then eventually Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson got into power in 2019 and on their campaign promise was get brexit done they were very patriotic it was all about patriotic things and getting immigration sorted out etc etc they want to land slide not just seats but votes and then when they got in according to Dominic Cummings he proposed the policy of hey let's have a points based system we will basically exterminate low skilled labor coming in because that's not helping anyone and we're going to try and steal the people who go to Silicon Valley and get them to can I ask just a real quick question for this gra I need to finish before you but I will let you sorry so they proposed that according to Dominic Cummings Boris said screw that they put the point base system in place and ever since the immigration has now massively increased from what was considered acceptable that's what we mean by mass immigration that the pre-1997 levels were perfectly acceptable people were pretty much happy with it it wasn't a discussion point that people had in politics but since things have changed to hundreds of thousands to up to a million coming in not net but gross that's unacceptable and the fact that through that entire period we voted for lower immigration every election in terms of the manifesto claiming that that's what they would do of the party who won is horrific and if you can't your way out of this yeah look like most your migration started to happen like the huge Spike was after brexit yeah they betrayed us that's why Wow Wow the conservatives messed up and allow Mass migration this is the first time I'm hearing about this when you're saying messed up and allow Mass migration how do they allow how do they allow it what happened so they left the European Union in 2019 or 2020 officially it finally happened but they changed the immigration rules so we now have a point based system and you get points for very basic things such as speaking a simp level of English or having a j that PS well below the average W so the ability of people to come here became massively easier even though this is exactly the opposite of what Boris Johnson was going to implement when he speak to voters which is why everyone hates them and there are policies that you could implement the nation of Denmark is actually pretty restrictive on immigration and they don't have right-wing party uprisings they don't have riots or anything like that you have refugees get put in third party countries while they're being vetted if your kids are going to school and they're from a foreign country they have integration programs and this is one of the reasons why across the political Spectrum the immigration policies even though they're criticized by the EU in Denmark they're basically it's like a non-issue so yeah there are restrictions that you can Implement like actual tangible policies and they prevent these right-wing like uprisings these riots and all of this stuff things like brexit and that's what people want implemented like you pretend there's no sensible policy on immigration it exists it's in Europe and the people are happy with it and it's so popular that it's not just the right-wing policies but um parties it's the left-wing policies that buy into it because they don't want people coming in and undercutting their union wages or or whatever issue that they have that makes them historically against immigration so yeah there are definitely things that you can do to improve the situation and not have all this crazy fighting in the streets be careful with that I'd be careful with that last claim with the idea that appeasing anti-immigrant like sentiment is what like makes the violence go away because you mentioned like pre like 1990s levels and before that things were even lower but again it's not like we it's not like race riots were a new thing just recently we used to have this in the 70s with the national front when immigration wasn't particularly High it wasn't particularly high in the 80s when we had anti-immigration riots uh even if you look at the UK people I thought until last week people used to brag about how the UK actually compared to most European countries had Fairly positive attitudes towards immigration compared to the rest of Europe right the most anti-immigrant uh sentiment in Europe does not come from like France or places like London or whatever it comes from places like um czechia or Hungary places that have lower like barely any immigration or Finland so and that's actually they demonstrate itself very well through our election is that reform UK the big anti-immigrant party they won their five seats four of which were won in 94% white plus communities which is way above the national average because this is what I when you talk about people not being listened to the thing I get is that I agree that there's problems with abandonment and post-industrialization and working-class communities being ignored and all this kind of stuff that's very uh real the problem is is that it's not just that it's that plus and I think I'm sure Lucy's mentioned this is that it's that plus demagogues and people who just lie to them habitually about uh and exaggerate the effects of immigration that drive them to feel like the effects are so much worse than they actually are and then that's where you get the rioting coming from it's it takes both it takes a demagogue as well as people having real concerns which is probably why people who voted for reform in these very very white communities they obviously didn't learn about immigration and its effects from their life experiences they learned about it from the media that's hang on hang on I just want to very quickly jump in and just add to end of the Sha add to end of Shan's point it was very specifically the labor party the ruling labor party in Denmark who implemented all of these policies that he was talking about it wasn't just you know implemented by the conser and then adapted by labor it was the labor party in Denmark who actually did all those things and I will say in a lot of the actually and and just just just coming up just coming up to to your point learner box a lot of the people who moved to for example Clon were like the white workingclass guys who moved out of London because of they've seen the problems of mass migration like that's just one other the reason you see a lot of the people in those communities escaped there from London because of it yeah I just want to add of people from Clon came from London I think most people from Clon were were from Clon oh obviously most of them there are certainly a chunk of them who who have moved out of London okay so I'm just saying lot of people are interviewed if if you're if your hypothesis is that white people in the UK when they the more immigration they see the more anti-immigration they become in their communities then why are these places with like 10 15 20% Muslim communities why are they not the ones where the white people are coming out in arms and voting like majority for reform well a lot of them would vote for reform but then obviously if there if there's more votes in those in the demographic and obviously reform aren't going to win there well no it's not more you you said that white people who are still the majority in a lot of these places that are maybe like 15 20% Muslim which is or immigrant which is above the national average these places are still majority white why are the white people in those places not the most sensed ones and the most politically active ones in their constituencies now you can't just say it's because they're more Muslims that's why the that's why reform doesn't win because they're still the minority yeah obviously but that's going to have some Dem that's have some switch to it then you also have you know labor voters who are old labor voters who would still vote labor one who want to get the Tories out but still be concerned about Mass migration regardless as I said labor promised to cut migration so some people who perhaps were previous labor voters moved the Tories in 2019 but then thought oh you know well I'm gonna vote labor again because at least K St has promised to cut has promised to cut Mass migration pal you're not telling me that people voted labor because they thought at least Kier starmo would be harsher on immigration than the conservatives K starmer wanted to scrap Randa on day one certainly during the election no he wasn't he said he would scrap Rwanda that was the the first thing he says about immigration is he would scrap Rwanda yes because Rwanda wasn't working he said he would cut net migration that was a policy I've I've pinned it in the chat so you can go read it the issue armor pedes to SL Sky High migration numbers read my lips I will bring immigration numbers down as he vowed to control our borders do you think that sounds like a pro migration message no I think it sounds like someone who is not going to be believed by someone who is farther right than labor on immigration no [ __ ] way the guy said he wanted he wanted to scrap Rwanda because he said it was inhumane and a waste of money meaning he was okay to let those Asylum Seekers stay in the UK what his alternative to Randa those ASL Seekers Randa they they criticized it because they didn't just like abandon the European core of Human Rights and throw them off anyway into those planes kir starmer wanted to keep them in the country to keep claiming Asylum so Kier starmer's message was actually people talk about hotels K starmer's message was keep them in the hotels and keep processing them you think of right winger whose Senator position is anti-immigration would vote for that no no no I'm not talking about I'm talking about yeah I'm talking about a relatively ordinary person who's maybe not that fully connected into politics and sees K again pledging to cut migration as every party has done since 1997 why is the leftwing candidate even saying that well he said he wanted to he said that he wanted to spend money to Target migration at the route so he wanted to get to didn't he want to send a bunch of money to these countries where this is happening anyway and stop the human traffickers and kind of deal with it so they're not dealing with it in the hotels you're dealing with it at the source that was his argument I don't know if it's wanted to Target the Smugglers yeah but as far as aslum Seekers who come here he wants to process them yeah but he's still he's still en time message is reduce migration no one in this country can run on the platform of things are going well with migration and we should increase it that is not the position of anyone even the leftwing candidate knows he has to go out and say yeah this is crazy we need to lower the numbers yeah I'm sure he said that but the problem is is like I don't know what so you say that immigration is like reform this is why yeah I know because reform wants to just Deport them straight back to France even though there's no guarantee or there's no sign France would ever take them right especially yeah um but again with K ster yeah he's saying he wants to lower immigration I don't doubt that um but this is why we have a party political system right this is why people vote not just on single issues but for parties and it seems to be that even if people saw immigration as one of the issues they were still happy to vote for a party that is they probably find far more less trustworthy to follow through on reducing immigration than someone like reform I'm sure you agree with that just babbling people want immigration lower end of every Poli on it you could read his quotes it says he wants to slash Sky High immigration that 6 uh 85,000 is has got to come down and controlling our borders make uh and make sure British businesses are helped to hire Brits first but I'm just saying and you all understand this is someone who has immigration as their first and foremost policy is never going to vote for this because coming down from 685,000 yeah because 685,000 was unusually high uh in large part because of ukrainians coming yeah how many hang hang on you and more than that gross is not still high wait he vowed to control our borders and make sure British businesses are helped to hire Brits first why would he want to do that why would he want to vow to control our borders I just that's I don't deny you said that it's because it's broadly popular across the Spectrum I'm just saying that out of if you actually look at like the immigration numbers I'm curious why they spiked in 2020 it seems like a lot of the people coming in are working because the law changed so we went from the system we had before to the points based system this was advertised on the basis that Australia does it they seem pretty good let's do that except they didn't take into account obviously you need to then address the points to what you want so Dominick Cummings says that his proposal was we have massive amounts of high skilled labor we steal them from the United States because they're all going there and we just exterminate people who can barely speak English come from places in the world where they have [ __ ] up ideas about running society and this just focusing on the work thing it seems like the people are coming to the country to work hang on hang on see a lot of a lot of this isn't being shown by the data in that people will come on work feas and then bring their families with them as well so for example you've seen they've been bringing people to work in Social care and the NHS they can bring their families with them um another thing that I think which has spiked in recent years which might not be which may even only me the past couple years so I'm not sure if it's in that data students who coming over and bringing their families as well students coming over for course and bringing their families which seems insane to me I'm not sure how insane that is but like is it is there a possibility that especially post brexit that the UK needs these workers like to keep their economy running absolutely not then okay so then if I if I were to look up okay so if that's the biggest COPE in history if I were to look up unemployment in the UK right now would I see this number at like 7 89% are there a ton of unemployed like British citizens that can find work not well I I can tell you something that immigration has not helped the UK economy it's only harmed it really the funniest things that happened let him that by one by one unemployment or just real Qui I looked at in4 unemployment UK was 3.8% U the lowest rate since 1974 so you're below you're probably natural rate of if you break it down by ethnicity it gets even more fun anyway especially especially if you look down look down at people who've come to the country and and and you look at those who who actually are active in work in of terms of first generation immigrants most of them are not active in work they're not actively employed and I mentioned this ear in the Stream 50% of social housing in lond how are they not get how are they not getting how are they getting work visas are they're not working so if me as a man I apply for a work visa I get one I can then bring my family and my family don't have to work so for example if you look in the Bangladeshi Community it's over 50% of them are not economically active is the phraseology we use and that's because why would you you don't need to you're Bangladesh just so you guys know that by by 2022 the unemployment rate for migrants including EU is 5% and for non was six it's still not exactly like much higher than the national average actually why do you think that immigration harbs the economy overall why do you say that oh so one of the fun things that happened during Co is what I was going to say is the truck drivers for example one of their main complaints during the brexit referendum is their wages are suppressed by immigration from East Europe and as we expanded to Romania and Bulgaria we would get Romanian and Bulgarian truck drivers they would bring the wages down even lower because you get paid bugger to be a Romanian truck driver but you can still drive trucks in the UK so why not move and they did so during the co pandemic when immigration falls through the floor for one year because well people couldn't move around truck drivers pay went through the bloody roof it's a very real thing you can see that when we limit immigration wages go up for the natives because the company doesn't really have a choice they've got to pay the people they have whatever also the cost of goods and services also go up right it does but if everyone's getting a massive pay raise hold on not everybody's getting a massive pay raise just the truck drivers are getting a pay raise that's how that works yeah because they were they were also because they had to spend so much more time [ __ ] stranded between the bords because of the checks and balances after brexit yeah wait wait you do understand that if wages in one sector go up to because the cost of doing business there is higher and that everybody in society has to pay more for stuff that gets delivered by trucks not everybody in society wins there most people are losing the winners are just people driving the trucks exactly not everyone in society wins so who loses it's not the people who to compete for migrant labor it's the people at the top that don't have to compete they lose to be honest the losers when you have the losers when you have to pay more to deliver materials on trucks are going to be every single person that buys anything that comes off a truck your winners are going to be your people that are driving the trucks no the people who have to compete with migrant labor no longer have to compete they win the ones and also your local commun it's not don't have to compete it's about if you buy hold on this is so this is child math if you pay a truck driver more you have to pay to ship the products more meaning you have to charge the customer for the products more do that do you understand that okay which is why which is why because we haven't been doing this that's why all the people who have been rioting have have been so economically fulfilled they're all having great jobs and lives because of this Mass immigration I never I never said any of that yeah you just complained I'm just I'm just do you understand hold on I'm just trying to say we understand a really basic truth if you increase the cost of transporting goods people are going to have to pay more for goods do you understand that yes okay so we say we want to increase the wages of truck drivers then that's a class of people that wins the losing part of that equation is going to be every single person that buys things that comes off of trucks you understand that right you're missing one aspect no no no all that can we understand is that do we really not get that you're missing one aspect Destiny the people who are competing for migrant labor are not just truck drivers the vast majority of the British Workforce has to compete with migrant labor so they would be much better off even with the increasing cost for transportation being passed on to the increased cost of goods the people who don't have to compete with migrant labor those are the top they would lose out a little bit okay you understand that when you're talking right now about using protectionist policies to protect jobs because of the magical wag whatever whatever this like fantastic uh autarchy take is you know that no Economist anywhere ever will ever agree with that take right you know that you're just wrong there right when you're talking about protecting your economy increasing the cost of goods services to everybody that whatever wage bump you might see because now some jobs aren't as competed against um migrants whatever like all of society is paying more right are we gonna consider that the money these migrants are making is often getting sent home as well back well two remes sorry it is it is insane to say that it is somehow protectionism to to not be in favor of mass migration why do you keep saying Mass migration like it's a buzzword you're like coming in your pants stop saying Mass migration no talk Mass Mig I'm talking about basic economic fact that if you bring in workers okay to compete with somebody right that the wages those people do indeed go down because you've got a greater supply of workers sure but the cost of all those goods and services also go down right and if you protect those jobs by having it so you reduce the supply of labor there that those people will make more money that is true but also the cost of goods and services goes up for everybody as well that's associated with buying things from those people that's true this is I'm saying let Sean everyone let Sean speak let Sean speak please ler you've spoken a lot Stephen saying Sten saying that there's a concentrated benefit for the truckers and a dispersed cost paid by broader society and increased prices these guys don't care about that they're willing to pay higher prices in order to not have migrants undercut the undercut the wages of the truckers as much as I appreciate you trying to carry water for racist you're dead [ __ ] wrong Sean because that would be an honest position at least if you were to say listen this like this is an honest position if you want to you say I understand that things are going to cost more that's fine I think that protecting our native population is worth it and I'm willing to work an extra hour whatever I need to do in order to ensure that I'm paying enough to support local workers that'd be fine but that's not what the position they want to take because they've got to sell the Li to other sides too that aren't bought into the racial [ __ ] right and they have to say well actually if you protect jobs and and reduce one of the most important economic inputs to your entire Workforce actually it helps everybody like everybody pays less and everybody gets paid jump in here sorry let me just jump in here Callum uh why do you think Canada's housing prices are so high in places like Vancouver right now what do you think's going on there do you think that might be connected because there's a lot of people trying to move to not as many places so do you think that perhaps having to pay two grand more in rent might be a little more concerning to people's wallets than getting a dollar off their Tim Horton's coffee it's also not just truck drivers who it's way more complex like there are so many other factors it's the infrastructure Heth way more complex you understand like the cost of rent can also be influenced by like migrant workers that do construction understand that but as a general rule of thumb as a general rule of thumb when you bring in more labor your economy grows whether you like it or not and there could be reasons to be there not a single the idea that if you bring in more labor it's going to shrink your economy like just doesn't even make sense it's like outright like on its face it's absurd it's going to destroy cultural thing then that's fine that's an honest answer at least yeah it's yeah it's more than just sorry Lucy I'll sorry I was like I was just saying FGM isn't like a very British Pastime put it that way you guys still cut baby boy dicks not rec we don't do it in the UK that's good but it's always these gotas Stephen why is it always these gotas rather than acknowledging like oh you're right FGM that's not something you guys want in the UK I get that why is it always oh you cut baby boy dicks like no one's for that here I mean I I don't even know I'm not even I don't even know how much FGM happens in in the UK obviously I'm opposed to it but the running from the economy to FGM which is this like a prevalent problem in the United Kingdom right now like kind which is which is that you know like if if if now if immigration makes the economy better if not saying it does if that's hypothetical however but you get all this negative stuff from it like FGM Lucy brought up is that worth another couple points on the GDP axis you know like materially less better you're coming so hard in your pants about destroying Brown immigrants you can't even engage with the question honestly nobody is talking about a couple points on the GDP you are making life harder for every single person in your country when you enact protectionist policies but you can have the honest conversation if you want to be honest about it you can say there are good reasons why you should protect an economy maybe you're bad cultural elements you don't want may think yeah maybe maybe maybe there are reasons why you want to prevent certain groups of people from come to your country that's fine but just be honest about it don't pretend like you're going to win in every single area like a liar just be honest about the sacrific you're making I'm right all the time that's true destiny this is why I find you so annoying to be frank because I was explaining truck drivers are not the only people that have to compete with migrant labor the vast majority of the public have to compete with migrant labor I explained it three times you didn't engage and then you do you chop baby boy dicks off we're England we've never chopped baby boy dick the baby boy dick comment do you acknowledge that was in response to somebody else bringing up female genital mutilation first the fact is you're not serious somebody bringing up female genital mutilation first do you do you acknowledge that the point in my ARG is that you're not serious ISS okay well if you want someone who engage with the um truck drivers thing I feel like there's a reason you guys like to bring up these anecdotes is because people do studies on this even Boris Johnson committ commissioned a study on immigration and wage suppression what they found was that any impact of wage suppression caused by immigration was shortterm and negligible because as well as that it's it's not even because of all the reasons Desy mentioned about how it also lowers the price of goods because you bring in new workers you don't want to do the lump of Labor fallacy but then also Lauren I know you said that anecdote about people moving uh money away from the country but the fact is migrants also pay taxes and we still know that the amount they pay in taxes exceeds the amount that they take out and we know we just had the biggest year by far the biggest year by far of net migration and real wages went up the year after they've been going up since like the beginning of this year so but once again it doesn't matter if the wages are going up even if that's you know with inflation I don't know about that when it comes to sorry just let me let me let me finish when it comes to things like rent which when in my lived experience since left to Super care about that everyone around me cannot afford rent because of mass immigration it doesn't matter if wages have gone up it doesn't matter true you understand that's not true everybody R you can't afford rent that's why the prices are going up right if nobody could afford it the price wouldn't be going up the price the mar going on what what is going on is they are getting smaller in smaller places they are living with two or three people never would have done that before or I have people that literally don't have a home and are living in people's backyards and trailers multiple families I know with children at the moment so no they can't go to different cities they don't have to live in the three cities in in in Canada there's more places Mont Toronto and Vancouver prices are going up across the country and then once again it is not sorry let me finish let me finish I've let everyone speak a lot it's not just housing it is not just wages it's not even just culture it is infrastructure you can look this up Canadian hospitals more overwhelmed than ever no one can get a doctor there are too many people in the infrastructure has not caught up it is the roads no one can drive in cities like Vancouver anymore it is unlivable so when Jack says yeah people are willing to give up maybe a few dollars off on their products they're willing to pay a little more for quality of living few offer a little more it's going to be every single thing you buy and it does matter because you it like I would rather P more I would rather pay more for everything and be able to go to a beach without people taking craps on it be able to drive through my City without it taking four hours be able to get a doctor be able to get a house yeah I would pay more for everything for that yeah I would can you show can you point me one like anti-immigrant [ __ ] country that's like doing really well with these policies like who's our model here Australia they do a lot better with their immigration policies and their Health Care system is significantly better I know because I lived there and I lived in Canada very similar systems one is not overwhelmed by migration one is and everyone who fails metc are we looking at so what metric are we looking at for Australia here that like give me a couple metrics and I'll go look it up that they're outperforming like the rest of the world so much I just said the Healthcare System it's way easier healthare outcomes in like Australia they're going to be better than Canada perhaps I know because I used system for just to be clear for healthcare even reform ukk admitted that for immigration that's the one place where Britain needs immigration according to them so even for them they said that the healthcare system was their exception they're wrong no they don't because IM immigrants are a drain on the NHS and it's it's the classic thing of bringing in workers because oh you know you don't have enough people to hear one we should pay doctors more you know like the juny doctor are striking because the government can't afford to pay them more because that's the state of the NHS to begin with um but then then you know like oh oh oh oh you know you're bringing like a couple nurses here couple doctors there well one uh it's foreign doctors who have been far more likely to actually cause injuries and death to patients if you look at the medical Mal practice rates for foreign doctors far higher and then as as khen mentioned earlier it's the same with the work visas these people one person will come in on a work visa and they'll bring in they'll bring in their wife or their or or their husband that their their parents their their children and that's then because you've got then 10 more people in the country based on work visa the NHS is under even more pressure so I'm going to so I'm going to say reform run that you know reform aren't this guard of the right wing that we have to listen to them all the time and they're totally correct yeah I understand you guys are more probably extreme than reform and I'm prepared to listen but all I'm having right now is I keep mentioning that like according to the data that immigrants actually are bigger net tax contributors than natives are and also that real wages have been rising this year even though net migration was the highest has ever been the last year but all I'm hearing is like Callum could s that again sorry sorry again Sor I've got this here you can actually look at this at like employment rate of country with birth it's only you know when when people are coming in here they're coming from uh the from from the USA Australia Canada Israel uh th those are the top four countries uh who are then net contributors to the UK and it's Singapore New Zealand and France uh if you want to look at uh economic in activities like like again like the people who are coming to this country first generation immigrants from most mostly from all across the third world they are not being economically productive citizens ex the ones who the ones who are economically productive are coming from other First World countries and then and then a lot of them will stay here for a bit and then go home so so wa wait you're saying saying people imigrants are coming working and they're not economically productive no the the idea that they're net contributors is a deceptive stat some immigrants contribute grossly more than others but that doesn't mean that all immigrants overall are net contribut it's like when they say like the founder of this many Fortune 500 companies are foreign born that doesn't mean that from any random country you're going to get a Founder it means that they're from India they're um I think spartic Jews and then they're one other group like that's it that represents almost all the forign for the economic activity rate of bangladeshis who are not born in the UK 50% of them who are in the UK are economically inactive born L you're reading this from the Census and L CH put together by Neil O'Brien great me the who who is an MP am I misunderstanding I want look at this does does Australia have is this like I'm seeing temporary Visa holders but for does Australia have way more immigration than Britain or am I not understanding this Australia yeah they have really high immigration they're really upset about it as well wait why didn't you mention something when Lauren cited Australia is outperforming Canada in their healthare system then because they have less IM we have some of the highest we have some of the highest rates of so okay so the types of immigrants to Australia are very different the English tests are much harder to get into Australia than they are to get into Canada in fact people who fail the English test to get into Australia tend to go to Canada as their section second option so you have to I'm just curious who do you guys think the highest who do you guys who do you guys think the highest who do you guys think the highest consumers of healthcare are in a country probably the elderly that's yeah in the UK in the UK what your median ages or your mean ages or your number of elderly people what communities are at highest in like are we implying earlier it sound like you're implying that like immigrants are consuming more Healthcare than your native population yeah yeah because they're bringing in their elderly grandparents on work that's actually true that is happen okay can you show me that anywhere like yeah I've just sent I've just sent you a link to a thread and a link to a a report from the center for policy studies uh which included written by former immigration Minister Robert jri uh former Minister Neil O'Brien and their research director Kyle Williams if you look in the thread that I have linked there is a number a number of very concerning statistics on immigration and these were all taken from the office of national statistics which is which is the official uh government one uh like and the census so you can also see for example that GDP per capita and net migration GDP per capita has gone down as net migration has gone up also when you look at the chart that you sent over the the overwhelming majority of them are temporary Visa holders the permanent Visa holders is actually down so those are the people that are actually stay yeah but I don't know stuff I don't know for those net flows I don't know if those are including Visa holders or not as well I'm not sure I don't know how they measure I'm just saying from your both them are going to go back because they're there's very few permanent ones in there and that's actually decreased okay Lucy um did you know that rickets are back we've got rickets and loads of Victorian diseases now and mainly in East London and it's apparently due to vitamin D deficiency from people that are wearing clothes aren't letting them get enough vitamin D apparently there's a mass there was a mass outbreak in in White Chapel hospital and people weren't able to treat patients and it's just a massive recurring problem and the point ofing Theo wait what is the can can you draw the can you link all those up for me what are we talking about you can't make the link yourself like I'm just saying like Okay so all right my friend went to White hospital with a horrible uh thing going on and they said because of the wom White Chapel is a very Muslim area of East London it's basically it's got the the mosque I think Lauren went there um and you were like filming an inter police I live there but yeah apparently rickets there was a rickets outbreak and like loads of Victorian diseases you can have a look online but like because of um because of women covered up and they weren't getting up vitamin D and stuff like that so there's like one issue that like we could probably do without but we have it now I know it's not like ites it doesn't like not trying to Tar all immig immigrants with the same brush or anything but I'm just saying that's one issue no I don't I listen I was in London very recently and uh I saw more people in hijabs and NBS than in any Muslim neighborhood in the United States of America totally taken over that and if you want to help get Muslim women D then I guess you know what londoners you got to sign up for that and get them that I'd really like them to have the freedom to not wear that if they choose to um that that's all I can really say about that I just think it's a bit Draconian that we've been put in this position but there's been there's been plenty of people I'm not a big I'm not a big muslim okay expert here do do kids wear uh burkas I thought it was only like adult older women you said nothing definitionally okay do is it like the majority do expected what what is a kid I don't know I'm I'm trying to find information about the Ricket stuff and I'm seeing that in almost every case it's saying here I'm reading this almost all of these cases having rickets are young children this sounds like a food problem more than a burka problem I don't I'm not I don't think young children wear burkas but I could be wrong but I'm not I I don't know I'm not sure they do they do I live in an area where I see it every day um I would Hazard a guess that the you know the doctor said it to my friend I don't think the media would want to publish that you know like the doctor at the hospital said it I don't think the media I don't think I think they would find that inflammatory to publish that obviously so this is why I asked what is a kid because in Islamic uh interpretations a kid is n years old or lower not 18 this is why they have to cover up because they're sexual objects at that point so they usually don't wear head scares until they're like 14 or 15 but okay in some places there are children as young as that us yeah that um more power to them but yeah I don't know I'm just I'm sure that maybe there's a link there maybe not I don't know but there are obviously there's going to be problems is all I'm saying and some of them invisible and some of them under reported you know and it's the people on the street I think that we're seeing rioting that probably know a little bit more about this than than maybe we do you know they are from areas where apparently it's maybe I'm wrong but apparently they're from areas that are very Multicultural maybe that's why they're rioting I don't know but they're also getting a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] ramm down their throats from Tommy Robinson like he's trying to he's literally lying about every other happening right now I want to see the burka women get rickets I'm trying to find I want to see this now I'm Cur I'm curious about this she said it's not in the Press guys I'm just I'm going to do 10 more minutes with just because I think Callum loner box and Jack you guys have had the most talking we haven't heard much from Lucy and Shawn and I'm sure they have some debate points with Destiny and then I'll probably end with just chatting with Lucy since she was here uh for the least amount of time but I will start with a few super chats sorry gotta gotta include the chat in this actually there's a few questions for people as well um Nigeria has more British values than Germany says says Le Cana Max McDonald says for everyone why do you think nation states were formed in the first place and held together so long it seems most of human history was nation states and not what we have now sorry I got to get through these so I a few of them will stop but Kyle Vernon says can you ask [ __ ] live Destiny the difference between nationality and ethnicity does he understand that English is an ethnicity do you understand that Stephen I don't think you guys I have no idea listen however you guys Define it is fine but I hear everybody use these words differently so that's the only reason I ask Funk man why can't you guys being politically correct and just say you want a Muslim ban they all need to go brew master I support a ban on all immigration from all societies that don't share our values and not racist because I know we would be weak to ethnically targeted bioweapon if we were an ethnostate Kenzie Kraken Lucy was Tommy's speaking tour in Canada arranged by Rebel for the purpose of raising Tommy's profile and the save Tommy donations is he an addict Lucy oh do we have Lucy here still sorry mind s went funny can you hear me yep yep yep I I put bur rickets in chat by the way um what did what was it something about Tommy's they asked if his speaking tour was arranged by Rebel for the purpose of RA raising his profile and the save Tommy donations I don't think it was to do with raising like for donations I think everything he does I mean it's his job everything he does is to raise his profile but um yes I think he's an addict I think I'm I'm not happy about it I hope he gets clean and it just seems like a lot of bad mistakes he makes in a not sober State that's what I would say about that but no I I think that I don't know it's hard to say like obviously Beth nodwell I don't know if you saw that Viral clip of her talking about her big night out with Tommy and how awful like he was behaving and D D um but it's a hard one it's a hard one to be honest I've just I've just seen a lot of dodginess there that I just I don't know if it's just greed and power that's got to his head I don't know I don't know um also just as a quick thing this is a 2012 article but okay gelfling if you want to understand the UK's current situation you need to understand the failure of multiculturalism and social integration squat every day we built the greatest Empire the world has ever seen whilst exporting people Kyle Vernon lower wages doesn't mean lower priced Goods prices haven't gone down one bit big corporations eat the profits from lower wages and GDP growth Elijah bores question is it not understandable to concentrate some derision towards Islam post stabbings given the UN alive the Infidel influences yields I think the argument here is that this guy wasn't necessarily following that Doctrine so that's the debate going on Jeremy hey Lauren out of curiosity because you actually lived in Australia do you think that Australia's Healthcare is better than the US uh yeah yeah I do they had a pretty good health care System to be honest although there's been times where I've gone across the border to the US for healthcare because the timeline would have been ages to wait in Canada Way the system's way too backed up it's very broken here okay super chats are done done um like I said 10 more minutes with everyone here and then Callum loner boox Jack I will give you guys a chance to say goodbye are there any thoughts you want to bring up that you feel have been is anyone here you like there's a big issue that has not been talked about yet that I really need to discuss I mean it would have been awesome to talk more about the like UK riots rather than like weird hypotheticals and factoids or whatever but that seemed like the direction I was going that's going on sorry it's what going on saw a pub being invaded Plymouth and Birmingham so Birmingham I think you've got um Muslims in the street going around looking for edl people or whoever and in Plymouth you had um rightwing versus leftwing and then from from what I saw it was still going on like five minutes ago if you could send me any videos of that I'll bring them up on screen and we can talk about that cuz I actually would like to bring this conversation to the initial debate that we were having uh on Twitter Stephen which was the comparison between the BLM and the UK riots and I mean we've everyone here that is more against the mass immigration policy has been asked to condemn the violence they've been asked to say people shouldn't be doing this they've been you know you've had the leader of the UK come out and say he's going to be just totally cracking down on anyone supporting this even online do you at least you know loner box and Destiny do you see the bias coming from the leader of the UK we played a video earlier on this stream where there was his reaction to the BLM riots where many people died but he was saying these were legitimate grievances people had he was saying you know quoting MLK giving his support to BLM riters versus these riots going on in the UK he's come out and said they're all essentially bigots that will go to jail and will regret their decision to Riot why do you agree that there's a bit of a two-tier justice system bit of hypocrisy going on there I think uh I think if you just watched those two clips and assumed he was only talking about the BLM riots and didn't know anything about kir starmer's past you would think is a double standard you know in the 2011 London riots which mostly featured left wiers and uh disproportionate level of minorities Kier starmer was the director of public prosecutions he kept the Courts open 24 hours a day he allowed magistrates to pass longer and tougher sentences to set an example exactly what he's doing now the whole idea was get them sentenced as quickly as possible so that everyone else knows oh [ __ ] that person I rioted last night they just went down I'm not going again yeah this guy and on BLM in the UK when that happened even though the rioting in BLM in the UK was like people defacing a few statues and throwing one in the river for the most part the first six days of this have exceeded basically any of the violence of BLM in the UK uh kir starmer uh they didn't like him because he said that defund the police was a nonsense demand and he also uh challenged the people who threw Edward Coulson statue in the river even though they were later acquitted by a jury of their peers so yeah kir ster has always been he's a prose he's always been a fair Centrist when it comes to like uh Law And Justice and all that [ __ ] so uh yeah I don't know that clip is kind of a little bit misleading on its own um okay I'm gonna there there actually is a bit of riding going on right now so I'm going to bring up the video and just play it in the background while you guys chat Stephen did you have any thoughts on that I I don't know what statements he said about BLM or what statements he said about the UK Riot so I can't I can't speak to any of that I have no idea what he said which one's your favorite of what I'm Jo sorry oh I mean r was [ __ ] but I think it's just funny that everybody likes to support their riots because their riots are always based and awesome and the other people's rides are fake and gay so I just it's interesting to me lives matter or White lives matter who wins sure considering most people that post White lives matters are probably 35 years old living their parents basement probably the BL on people cuz they're all they've got the Warrior jeans right so I probably have to throw my lot in with them I just want to say watching those scenes of Muslims and uh like anti-immigrant people throwing bottles each other from a police [ __ ] barrier between them just gave a really like a good old firm reminiscence I think it's maybe a really good example of integration that uh Muslims have discovered football violence in the UK they're also giving each other Nazi salute which is quite nice I've just had a message Shar interest I just had a message from someone who has a partner that works in a hospital and they said apparently rickets is like a really well-known Hush Hush thing within the Bangladeshi and Pakistani Community apparently it's all just they just know it but they can't really say it so there you go we got a DM from yeah a medical student in White Chapel and she said that's [ __ ] so [ __ ] got DM from different doctors saying yeah actually burka supercharged the vitamin School hang on I have to wear a burer for a year and do a test I'm glad everyone's getting along so well yeah sorry sorry for being short Destiny I just uh I just kind of want add to speaking about the BLM riots I saw the same thing in in 2020 when there BLM riots here of course be honest why because the police you know there's no there's barely any police violence that goes in the UK we don't even carry guns um but it was the same uh level of two-tier policing that I've seen uh compared to the violence riots we saw in Leeds in hair Hills just a couple weeks ago where the police just certainly weren't present and then opposed to the riots we've seen this week where the right police came up it was the same in 2020 the police were kneeling for BLM protesters in London uh when the next week people came out on the save our statues protest because they're being defaced uh in uh in Westminster Square you know like the riot police were out there already with bats and they're just whacking people over the head I saw noses covered in blood you know on on pretty much again a a much more peaceful protest than the the BLM was just one week before so this two-tier policing you know two-tier care very fitting name for the new PM um has been going on for a while especially when it comes to uh the in the UK for the biggest of the BLM protests in in the UK what was the largest one what was like the most damaged cars where the most people killed well I mean we we didn't really have riots on like at all they were protests but you know but I did I saw I saw I saw BLM people just absolutely beat the living daylight people who they suspected were edl I saw one guy get his face absolutely bashed in front of him by water station um in June 2020 he was just completely innocent that's fine but you're saying that there were no rides or just protests what would the police be there for no but then because because the police are always in London at protest the police are pretty much always there to control it as as Lucy would well know these weren't riots what I don't understand what we what tell you what the problem was I'll tell you what the problem was it says that the biggest one was around the 6th of June there was quite a few by the looks of it if you look there's like a whole Wikipedia page but I remember the issue was with it um they were big I got caught in one in the car it was weird but um it was during Co that was the thing that really annoyed everyone because it happened during covid so they marched to the US Embassy I think and they were like oh lockdown rules apply for you know apply for the but not for me um and if you look okay I'm looking yeah so I'm looking at this Wikipedia thing it seems like people were arrested though so doesn't that mean the cops were there yeah there was yeah no the police were there compared to what I saw on the ground there were the policing was Far heavier at the you know sort of anti-m counter protest that was the week afterwards well were there more people arrested in those things because I see so 14 police officers were injured during the clashes and 14 protesters were arrested are you saying there were counter protests where like hundreds of people were arrested or 50 people were arrested or what's which big counter protest it was it was the attitude of the police but you can see that again I head of the rots in hair Hills we went from there were no police at the BLM things to now there were police now the police arrested more people there no police there now there were a lot of now was just the attitude of the police okay the police were kneeling at the BLM protest in London they weren't doing that theying when they arrested 14 people no it says there are clashes between the police and the protesters were they kneeling at the clashes did they fight on their knees or what no some of them but obviously as as I said it was a difference in policing immed BLM but obvious obviously obviously obviously both ways you know like the riots that we're seeing right now are in no way comparable to either side of the protests in 2020 but what what the riots right now are comparable to was the riots in leads and hair Hills just a couple of weeks ago where the police weren't even present one bit the police turned up and then they ran away when right now at all of these rights the police have been very present as they should be you know to control Law and Order I think in terms of um it was it was it was a uh a Romany uh person father uh had tried to have their child removed for there was alleged child abuse no no I'm asking what how do you spell I just want to look him up I I would never trust your summary of this oh sorry sorry leads so it's leads and then it was it was in hair Hills specifically in leads hair as in animals I don't know7 were arrested in hair Hill that's about the same number as people no I found it don't worry that's the most leads I got it yeah there were 27 arrests in haill that's about the same as each like Town that's been hit here right again if you want if you want a good analogy 2011 riots I know the reason you guys don't want to go to that one is because in 2011 riots which were about comparable to these ones in terms of concentration of violence London was actually more but when that happened Kier starmer the prosecutor rammed his [ __ ] brick shaped knob through all those protesters like a [ __ ] like like a like a cop yeah like someone who is Law and Order h was that when he what was his job before like a judge or something he was director of he was director of prosecutions when he did that in 2011 and how many people how many people have been arrested with in the current riots right now four or 500 okay so I just I looked at the leads thing so I don't know how big the leads right was but apparently 27 people were arrested in connection with the leads thing it was only one night it was only one nighted in one city yeah but most of these people arrested 20 people arrested as well yeah some of them are like less than 10 arrested I'm sorry guys I've got the plyo video playing for people watching and this guy that just got plyo Plymouth pth Plymouth plyo Lauren we have we have all so many places and you need to know their name specifically even though they're not pronounced how they're spelled at all I don't pronounce places in Canada right I pronounce it anyway some old dude he got hit by a Polie shield and I got a I got to ask the chat like he absolutely faked that fall there's no way look at this what uh oh please okay he's either drunk or he's faking that fall chat I need I need a second opinion chat is this real chat is this real look at this gu wait watch this see watch Okay police Shields you guys if you watch My Stream in real time is he just drunk or did he completely like soccer fake that fall and then he has a bunch of people surround him and try to pick him up I'm just waiting for the late stream to kick in so yeah wait for the late stream to kick in I need a second to we used to have a woman that was like one of these kind of activist people here called B Amy B D she used does anyone remember B Amy English traps do you remember her she she popped the Trump balloon you remember that oh Rings a bit of a bell good falling over she was really good she would always fall over like she would see yeah that was we got hit in the face once and then he got absolute gam drunk a little bit dramatic ins claim Insurance claim but hey you know like like like like head injuries are no joke that's why I mean I got myself checked out after I got beating up at on Southport I want to ask you about that they just started beating you up and when you said like I'm I'm on side they just didn't care oh yeah no no they actually didn't care care at all they were just like journalists and you know like Snap him so they did and I got new tooth in my trouble did it feel like that moment where the guys are yelling I'm on your side and the BLM people throw the brick through the window did it feel like that yeah I suppose it kind of did a little bit you know but hey it's like you know I mean I understand why people why they would feel complete animosity towards journalist because so much mainstream media did you know does lie I mean they lied about people getting busted in you know like it was a mix of you know people from Southport itself and from the surrounding area Liverpool Wigan you know it was all people from the Northwest you know it wasn't getting busted in on mass it not everybody was there as violent only a few because the crowd was so large only a few people were violent you know some people were doing political reasons some people were doing it for fun you know there was all this Nuance that gets lost by a lot of the mainstream media when they do just look for clickbait headlines and you know like like for example I saw I saw some of the locals who were then saying to the writers like why are you doing this why are you burning this down like this is our home and you know and all of this stuff just gets got completely lost in it so yeah just so you know like that summary you gave was the same as like every mainstream article I've read on these riots but yeah yeah well it C certainly wasn't by Tuesday you now now now they can push under the rug you know the cops who are telling the media that they're bust in I'm gonna start winding this stream down a little bit so uh Jack Callum loner box uh I'm going to get you guys to just kind of tell people where they can find you where they can say hello um and follow your work I'll start with Callum since you are one of the first people here where can people follow you and find what you're doing right now yeah so I've run a YouTube channel called britanica I'm sorry about my screen it froze because the phone died but if you'd like uh travel Vlogs especially in weird and interesting places go over to britanica and uh you'll find those probably the most interesting ones are the Afghanistan uh trip in Taliban controled Afghanistan and the Zimbabwe one which I just did seeing the ruins of redia and if you'd like to become a a multi-millionaire or billionaire only in Zimbabwe dollars if you subscribe on subscribe star I will send you uh well several million if not billion Zimbabwe and dollars in the postan I'm just gonna see if I can bring it up here on the stream so people can see all right sorry this is going to be janky but it'll will show you the channel everyone and I believe you said are you able to spoil your next location that you're going to um this is the channel everybody I guess so so I got invited by Professor Edward Dutton to go to Finland and see the fins because his basically he's been living there he's got finished wife got fin kids all that or half fin one of the funny things is the swedes and the fin in Finland couldn't be more different because the swedes are Europeans and the and the fins are not Europeans they come from the the step the same place as the Mongols so they just have all these weird quirks like their language is massively different and also they just can't handle alcohol because they don't have that 2,000 year history of drinking beer so I'm going to go see how weird the fins are I suppose I've been there it's a strange place they really like their saunas love their saunas did you do the the get in the saer and then dip in the ice thing no no I have a very strange Finland story I'll share it one day on stream but not today Jack I think you know it yeah I think you did yeah that one is deep in the vault until yeah anyways Callum thank you so much everyone go check out Britannica the travel Vlogs look lovely I'm going to watch some of these and uh next Jack Hadfield very dear friend for many years where can people find you true uh you can find me at jaad on X um all of my other social medias are on my website which is Jack Hadfield doc. just diverts by link tree but it's nice nice and easy to have a fancy domain um I so I write primarily and report for the publer so they are at theuer now on X and they are theuer doom so it's public with an a the theuer doc so that's who I work for and yeah most of my posting uh goes on my X page so yeah Jack hads on X and that's where you can find me yeah just put it up on the screen Jack hats he does good work and he's going to be doing more reports on these riots for sure so go follow my new too for with with your new tooth yes do you still have the fundraiser up for that uh yeah I think I I might be let me see if I can I need to chip in a chip in a bit what it was it was this tooth here it was completely it was chipped off diagonally in uh in in the attack so pretty painful I still have some pretty mad mouth hules right now that I'm making sure to rinse with salt water and get all out as much but I think I got off pretty lightly to be honest all right and then bar journalist got to goally hey you I've got ajab in my Twitter bio for a reason yeah oh my gosh and loner box who are you what do you do where can people find you yeah hey I'm loner boox I'm a YouTuber you can find me on YouTube My Channel's called uh larer box I love Law and Order and I hate watching uh thumb faed coked up loser [ __ ] trying to inight riots from my country in a festar hotel in Cyprus like some white hajam Al husseini wannab be but anyway it's nice meeting you guys I'm glad we can have these discussions even if we disagree on many such things uh take care all right right if you would like to follow this [ __ ] lib you can find his uh X account there loader box all right have a good one guys bye-bye and uh how do I I I don't know how to kick you you're gonna have to leave on your own just get out the door there we go bye you don't know where why did sea leave I told Shawn to stay Lo a box box loner is that him box loner so what's happening wait wait wait Boomer wait I didn't I Adder Lauren sir return hello this is not what I intended okay give him one minute everyone go harass him on x so Destiny have you ever been to our lovely Island over here you been to the UK uh I've been to a couple of The Bongo lands but never Ireland before what did you think did you have a nice time did you have a crumpet and some tea um you know it was okay despite the Bri fix my audio you fixed it it's fixed okay you're really loud now because I've got you like blasted on here okay I figured it out how whatever you figured out figure it out like 20% less okay I I just no she's got to adjust it I've adjusted it but yeah turn your gain down a bit cuz I think you also turned that up when Stephen was telling you how to fix your audio and it's still I I've turned it down on my end wait all right I turn it down as I'm talking yes yeah you're yeah I my recording software records at a very low input and uh apparently that changes it on all platforms and I can't fix any I fix my recording software perfect wonderful so um all right I want to start with a A I've got a interesting actually I probably should have read this email before Callum and Jack left okay whatever um Stephen what level of immigration would you say is too much what level of immigration and like culture disappearing from the UK would you say people can start to riot at is it none is it like they it's a nonsense question if you want to design an immigration policy then you have to start with the things that are important to you then you have to figure out which of these things are worth protecting and what they're worth sacrificing things for then you have to figure out how to measure these things and then you have to figure out how to measure like an immigrants impact on these things and then how to test for it you don't have to have exact numbers for all this but you should have something in mind for all of this if you've never thought about any of these questions you're probably just racist um that's what I would say so when years ago they should have thought about that years ago over here because we're small we're a small little island we're a small island so I don't know who crunched the numbers but it's clearly unmanageable and someone should should have thought about that no yes um I'm not over I don't all the policies what about all the policies that Shawn presented saying this is what they do in Denmark you know they have these cultural cultural do you believe cultural integration and assimilation is racist when people demand that it can be it also couldn't be just it depends on what people mean when they say cultural and racial assimilation it depends on what you mean by that I mean I don't think they're assimilating racially but culturally yeah they like they educate their kids like Denmark or whatever denarian I don't know what they call it citizenship if you're a refugee you don't get just to hang around in the country they put you in a third party country one of the ones that they use ironically is Rwanda as a third party country like they have a bunch of policies to limit people coming to their country and to screen them would you be against that you've said nothing that's even worth responding to there you haven't given me any you said they screen people coming into their country obviously I'm in favor of that and V some vague illusion to culture like give me give me something like quantifiable or give me something you speak like with some specificity yeah so if you're if you're foreign born they'll put you in uh in classes until like as young as age five to educate you in how Den like Denmark Society Works what is that Denmark Society they teach you how to drive or they teach you like what how to read the values of the society what are the values you're not saying anything you're not saying anything you doled you're not saying anything do you understand that you're not saying anything they call them like they call them cultural education classes like okay they're trying to teach them how to integrate into the culture that is there rather than just try to force their home culture or go Multicultural in their Nation I can't there's nothing to respond to I don't know I don't know what I don't even know if you know what that means what is cult what does that mean no you're speaking in vague nothingness you're not saying anything of value what does it mean to say that you're integ somebody into a culture what does it mean to say that you don't bringar has a culture do you not think Denmark has ask you you're making I'm just asking I think Denmark has a culture and I think that culture is a comination of you know social behaviors how you as simple as how you shake your hand um certain so is that something you have to shake a hand a certain way or well you know I would I can't even get a handshake from someone like Ali dawa because I'm a woman but uh it's the language it's also shared history like there are you you look at is not something like you like you know the history or like you have the ethnic history what so I use an example of croatians and serbs often when I talk about this because people will be like oh this is just a race thing and I'm like you croatians and serbs look pretty similar because don't have to talk about catian because they have shared history their families have a history they've got Wars that have gone on like this is something that I think racism is based I spend a lot of time on the internet let's just hate both of these groups are white that I'm talking about what is RAC we hate white people too okay I'm BLM we hate white people as well I'm what is racist explain to me like I'm five what is racist about me saying that serbians and croatians have shared histories that are different the actual answer for any I'll do this one time for anybody that's listening okay if you constantly elude to trying to protect a culture or protect a society from the dangers of immigrants but you can never name a particular or specific thing then everybody that's looking at you is going to think well if they don't really know what they're trying to protect they don't have any way to protect it they have no way to measure to protect it with specificity congratulations language is one thing but that's the first time you brought it up so I'm glad I finally say it's the way you shake your hand it's language it's shared history you just ignored that bit and started saying s are we talking about sign language now is that what shaking your hand is shaking three different these were three different examples the first one wasal language earlier but I my explanation was that okay I didn't hear it then okay my uh the explanation is that if you can't name particular specific things you're trying to protect about a particular culture but you're just scared of and then you always use Mass migration Mass Mig kind of sounds like you just don't want like country the way that the host country would treat women would be an example as compared to what the migrants would do like in their normal or their original country like that's not something that's worth protecting or that you let's use the us as an example like no no square dance didn't they they had to do the No No Square Dance you remember that no but I have another I have another United States United stat how do we treat women like what would be what would be a value for how we treat women in the US you think like everybody that comes to this country should be on the same page about that wom full legal right that what have full legal full legal rights we get to drive cars compared to men okay if I were to look at which ethnic group in the United States is the most in favor of removing the right to vote from women what do you think that ethnic group would be permanently online 15 white people okay so should I design immigration policy people though I don't know that seems to play really well for a different demograph which who Muslims you can just say ience perhaps males if I were to go to a repeal the 19 or whatever rally you think I'm going to see it's going to be black people or Hispanic people or Muslim people or have you seen the fresh and fit Live Events also if you think of the terminally online they tend to be or um repeal the 19th people they tend to be highly Hispanic as well there's just saying but I have I have another question about denmarkian immigration policy so one of the things that they do for Asylum Seekers is they'll confiscate portions of their property to pay for the services that they're going to receive would you be in favor of that um probably not that sounds horrible but they're like desperate and need to their country for like safety or whatever excuse they it hold on first of of all um can you go on Discord and either turn on Pusher talk or turn or lower the volume sensitivity because your mic is cutting off sometimes but I think it's because it's not picking it up enough um lower the Sensitivity I don't know if you want me to mess with these settings when I on on Discord for the voice activation your mic keeps getting cut off and I think it's because your voice is dropping below a certain threshold oh here's a good one we've actually had a Serial pooping problem in Canada lately with new immigrants pooping on the beaches that's great that's awesome okay that's actually a cultural thing people super care about that's great and I okay um what about sh Wait one thing at a time instead of Gish Galloping all the [ __ ] [ __ ] racist [ __ ] you guys talk about your telegram groups please holy [ __ ] one thing at a time is it racist to say that India has a sanation when you talk about um Asylum seeking in your mind what should a refugee or Asylum policy be like in the ideal like construction of it what should that be for you should go to the next country that is closest to you you don't get to pick your first choice who who who like what but what is but what is the process of that what like why like why does Asylum seeking exist like what's the point of that if you're supposed to be fleeing oppression or persecution of some kind or your place is too dangerous for yourself whether it be for political reasons National Security um I'm sorry natural disaster okay yeah yeah bradle okay yeah cool okay I agree yes so if we are to understand that people that are seeking Asylum are people that are fleeing some [ __ ] situ in Home Country I don't know why I would expect my country if you're doing that this is basically like a charitable work you're taking in a silence secet not because they're a good worker not because they' uh like even benefit your country but because you feel like you have some World obligation to help people from countries that are you know suffering some kind of horrific event so in that case what I want to take things from people that are coming to my country as somebody who is uh like seeking Asylum probably not that doesn't feel like a very good thing to do it feels like taking a guy and off the street is homeless and being like Hey listen I'm like I'm going to help you and feed you and stuff but like those are some nice shoes I don't know where you got them but you're going to have to give them to me I'm going to help you like it just doesn't seem like a it doesn't when you have the when you have the issue of people trying to defraud the immigration system by fraudulently claiming Asylum this is a good way to sort on whether or not people are actually in Desperate Straits and need to get into your country or they're just economic migrants using another system okay but what you just said sound hold on so you said that this would first of all if people are trying to defraud the immigration system everyone in here well I know you guys do but I would agree as well that's bad you shouldn't try to defraud the immigration system okay defraud it's built in the word you shouldn't ever be lying okay if we're trying to prevent people from coming in UMC and we're putting some like economic filter on it that has nothing to do with being a refugee a wealthy person in a country could still be targeted by we could imagine a communist or fascist take over in a country where they start to kill all of a certain ethnic or religious group it doesn't matter if you're wealthy middle class or poor you might still have to flee from that country right so why would I want to take things from the wealthy or middle class people fleeing because you there is a cost associated with caring for these people like money doesn't come out of nowhere so yeah you have to offset the cost in some way okay but then in that case you're not really doing anything in terms of like it doubles as a secondary screening mechanism for these people because if these people are just choosing to be economic migrants but under a fraudulent thing they'll go to another nation that doesn't have that restriction which is why they have it in Denmark okay wait first of all I don't know how this would so you're talking about taking things from people as a secondary screen mechanism one I don't understand two understand screening mechanism two I understand that there would be a cost associated with it but we don't do refugees or Asylum seeking that International that concept that's not for bolstering your economy this is a thing that this is like a charitable contribution to the world when you take in refugees you're doing a good thing or a nice thing you're not trying to offset the cost that's the point of that yeah okay yeah so at the same time you have limited resources there's plenty of people around the world that are in dire Straits and you have to have some way of screening them out because you end up in a horrible situation in the United States where if you're in uh if you're an actual legitimate Asylum Seeker you have all these different various people that are just economic migrants that pass through six countries in order to get here that are clogging up the system so if you're actually in need of help you're you're totally screwed over you're totally blanketed by all these other economic migrants so yeah having some screening system implemented I think makes sense another policy that makes when you say you say when you say screening issue for economic migrants or having a deterrent having a deterrent for this kind of fraud like you know what if you're coming in with a bunch of valuable property then you got to turn some of that over to pay the cost of of your you being maintained but would the people coming over wouldn't the people who are economic migrants coming over to work come with nothing aren't you just screening out all the people that would be genuine refugees like you're just taking like or or a lot of that could be like if you're just taking poor people that want to work those are economic migrants they're not going to have anything for you to take on this secondary I mean people tend to have certain things that they would take like you know again like these people that are claim these they take jewelry or a bunch of different things from these migrants this is okay so if people are migrating here okay if if you get if I'm not migrating I'm sorry if you get two Asylum Seekers that are married you're taking their wedding rings you're taking their Grandma's jewelry like what or you saying if they come like decked out like $50,000 worth of bling I don't think it goes specifically to their wedding rings and I wouldn't be in favor of that but yeah if you have like if you have this property and you're going to depend on the taxpayer and you're asking for entry into their country to live off their system then you should contribute whatever you can like you want these people to have buy into the system okay but then that's fine but then in that case I feel like we're talking kind of a silo but this doesn't feel it's not this doesn't feel more like a country helping with refugees it looks like a country trying to look for a particular type of worker it's not looking for a specific kind of worker it's you're trying to deter people who are just economic migrants from coming into your country this is a mechanism that they have developed in Denmark in order to do so like if somebody really needs to get into Denmark it should be no problem for them to turn over whatever but what ultimately ends up happening is a lot of these people refuse to do so because they're going to look for another country with much softer immigration laws and take advantage of their system sure let me understand what you're saying so you're saying that in Denmark if you go to Denmark they run like a they run a net wealth analysis on you and if you're worth over wealth analysis I said this the confiscation of certain property okay do you understand that when you speak you usually you say nothing like you said the confiscation of specific property I'm trying to figure out like what an example that I give was jewelry if they're coming over with and ask you about like wedding rings or like asking you like what do they so that's all they do is they just look for jewelry like earrings or what other valuable property that they might have like what like can you link me this Danish what I what do I have to look for to find this D Danish policy what is this for Asylum seeking or all right I'll pull it up for you come here don't even have a passport they Chuck it in the sea some of them yeah also who destroys their documents I literally interviewed people in person in Morocco who were telling me they did that and are doing that in Spain as well in France they were told by every trafficker to throw their papers in the sea cuz then they can't be deported Ed yeah so I don't think they have loads of jewelry is what I'm I don't think they're rocking up like Mr T on the boats do you know what I mean I think I think the iPhone would be the most expensive thing they have and they won't want to say that y so they seize valuables valued more than 10,000 croner again that's why I gave jewelry as an example which is €1,000 eos a link an article when they passed the policy back in 2016 from the BB so everybody's favorite state run news agency oh yeah okay you have me okay so there's a 2016 article I see this so it says wedding rings will be exempt um raise the amount refugees will allow to keep from 3, to 10,000 folling objections um okay I have this okay so You' shown me this um I don't know if there's something more current but I'm trying to find this so this is saying here that this policy hasn't been used a single time 3 years after Denmark's Infamous jewelry law hits world headlines not a single piece has been confiscated is this is this something they actually do or use say would you be in favor of this policy well I already said principally no I don't know why I would want to rob people that are trying to seek uh Asylum I think it works as a good I think it works as a good deterrent why do you think it works as a good deterrent because if you have assets that you're trying to bring in and you're just an economic migrant you would go to a different European country what do you think economic migrant is when you say economic migrant what does that mean to you that you're just coming there to work and and you're defrauding either the refugee or Asylum system okay if you're an economic migrant aren't the vast majority of economic migrants poor isn't that why they're moving to work economic migrant is just they want generally they don't come they're not coming like thousands of dollars wor actually okay wait wait okay since I've been on the ground and I've actually gone into these camps and spoken to these people met a lot of them literally been in the bushes hiding from the actually just had a 100 economic migrants message me Lauren and they said that that the people that talked you were lying so I don't know what to believe now like yeah that's great um anyways you assume like poor is like not a dollar to your name like smug ass that economic migrants are people that generally aren't carrying around thousands of dollars of cash with them that's what I would assum I'm going to fight you guys in real life will not let me finish my story all right s have money to get on these boats it's like ,000 in some cases to get on these boats over from Morocco to to go to Spain it's thousands of dollars to get on these it's people who actually have money that are able to take these trips not people who are dirt poor so when we talk about economic migrants like one guy I spoke to who was making his way from Turkey into uh Camp Moria in Greece which has now been burned down was telling me he was a barber in Turkey for 5 years had a pretty good time but then he was told by trafficker who by the way go out and find people and recruit them hey you could have a better life in X country or Y country I've got am making this up I thought I watched and I could be wrong you can tell me you there was some blonde chick that did a documentary on illegal immigrating into the United States from Mexico and I thought wasn't she interviewing people that said things like people sell everything in order to be able to afford the trips up here to the United States do you remember this some people do what was it called for sure y yep okay so do you think the average person is like a decently wealthy middle class person why would they want to illegally immigrate to another country theyve got like enough money to float like a few being promised like I spoke to people in Morocco who were telling me and by the way the Mexican immigration and the European immigration is different it's a different situation there are similarities but they are different um I had people showing me videos saying I'm going to become a famous soccer player in the UK they're a little delusional about what their lives are going to be like when they get to Europe I think way more common than people want to admit that people think they're going way more common if there were 10 of them that would be more common than I I'm talking I'm talking % of people talking I'm talking the majority of these people believe they are going to be wealthier and live significantly better lives than the lives they get when they come to Europe the vast majority maybe not everyone thinks they're going to be a professional footballer but all of them think they're going to get a lot more money than they eventually do no one thinks they're going to be living under bridges in Paris like what usually ends up no one not one person living under a bridge in Paris told me this is what I expected but that's what happens to them and then they end up committing crime because what else they home because they can't cuz they threw their out you can watch my movie on it they've thrown their passports out they literally can't even get deported if they wanted to they can't get another copy their it's over there's no embassies anymore they burn them all down there's no way to get back into they're just go they're paperless stateless people now they can't go back they don't have the money to go back they've already illegally immigrated there's a lot of complexity that I thought you said that these people were like decently wealthy now they don't have any money or they just happen to they are wealthier than the dirt poor people that can't afford to make these trips for sure but they're not bajil they're we're not talking about s super wealthy people that are coming over we're talking about people that have small businesses we're talking about people that have a home but sold it so they could take the trip thinking they're going to have a better life we're not talking about people that have small businesses represent a sizable portion of people coming who are throwing away their pass I don't think that's true don't think that's true do you see a lot of women and children it's not it's men who are like I'm going to give up my life and I'm going to see if I can make a new life in Europe men who are 18 to 22 not small business owners okay with like n money they have money to pay the €5,000 for these trips you but isn't that usually because they're like selling everything they have sure in some cases not in all of them there are people who have a lot of money that are able to get these trips much higher end than others you keep saying I don't think I if the people you're talking about not like a one% like my guess would be can we look there Maj I mean 80% of like people that are migrating illegally by boat or whatever the these are not poor these are not the these are not the poorest in their Community the poorest cannot afford to take these trips saying I didn't say the poorest maybe they're the second tier poorest but they're sure as [ __ ] not middle class or wealthy I mean they might be middle class in their country in their exactly in their countries yes okay do can we hook me up with some numbers on this I didn't see anything about the Danish like massively enforcing this jewelry policy so where are what are we looking at when we're trying to say that like I was asking if you're in favor of this policy I said no because I don't because when I think of refugees or Asylum stuff that's generally like a that's like a charity that you do to the world it's not a thing that you're doing for economic or fiscal reasons so that's why I I wouldn't assume that you would like charge people and I could even think of like a number of reasons why you wouldn't want to do that like I wouldn't want to have somebody who's an asylum come to my country and now I'm like [ __ ] their life over even more which means they're less likely to be able to contribute here or work or do anything else because now I've made them even poor like that just seems like why would you why would you ever want to do that so weird well a lot of them aren't actually asy Seekers they're abing the system why would you ask me what would my ideal regulation look like for somebody abusing the system my ideaal regulation they don't abuse the system but you set you set up a system with as many safeguards to prevent abuse of the system as possible but that doesn't sound like it would Safeguard it if somebody's wealthy enough to be carrying that much money they would just leave the money in the bank at home or if you guys are talking about remittances they would just leave the money with family at home and they would just travel with nothing how are you going to be able to subpoena a person's like Rwandan bank account if they're trying to legally immigrate into your country well first of all Denmark has it Rwanda might not be the best example because they do have a relationship with them since they use them as a third party country for screening refugees but a really my question at all but I'm just saying somebody illegally immigrates to a country and they would know anyway because you guys are saying they toss their papers so how would they even know well I think you shouldn't admit somebody if they destroy their passport before they come into your country that is a great like that's a sensible policy that I would definitely enforce in the United States like there's no% in the United States do we take people with no passports are you accepted into the people destroy their passports at the border and they turn themselves for Asylum I'm asking do we accept people in the United States with no paperwork and no passports if they claim Asylum we do yeah we process them when you say you we process them is part of the processing meaning if you can't verify the person then they get tossed there's plenty of people no they get pared into how you're not answering any question hold on you do this intentionally when you argue wait you every every single question I ask you give a weasel answer I ask you very specific questions on policy and it's like well there have been people this the Border yes we will admit people at the border who leave their documents behind when they claim Asylum specifically as a matter of policy not ADM get them for processing I'm asking as a matter of policy in the United States of America will we allow people to live here after being processed with no paperwork and no way to verify who they are that's a we give them paperwork like when they get here but yes we if you destroy your passwort there's a reason why they do that because it makes them harder to deport like yes we give them identities we give them well we take information that they give us as their identity with no verification or anything they just give a name and then we we attempt to verify but with as many people it is very difficult to do so but yeah we're unable to verify we allow them to stay in the country for well first of all enforcement like I'm sure eventually people can theoretically get deported but yeah like they stay in the country so the answer is no you're just lying you're wrong we don't let people stay in the United States who come here with no paperwork if we can't verify an identity I don't know why you're dying on this hill just say no we don't do that there might be ways people could cheat LI or defraud the system but as a matter of policy I would be surprised to find out that the United States of America it's a simple is setting a fire to your passport and then walking up claiming Asylum and you got a free ticket to the United States that would be crazy if that was the actual policy of the United States of America you still have to go through the regular Asylum process but yeah you can get admitted that's why we find all these destroyed passports before we get to the Border or on the other side of the Border yes you can come and and go through the process processing like yes yes you can come into the country if they can't verify your identity and you don't have a passport you're going to get tossed yep these people will present a different name this is usually how Criminal get their way into the country and yes you can get through the system like that if we find that you're defrauding the system under law yes you will be deported but guess what if you enter the country illegally at the border under the law it says you should be deported anyway so there's like on paper what it says you should what what it says should happen but then there's what actually happens and a bunch of these people end up in this country so yes wait okay so firstly you just said that they have to lie and get fake identities factual so number one you said they have to lie and get fake ident identities which satisfies my argument then they don't let people in without identities that aren't verified and without a passport that's why they have to fake them so so you're wrong there number one number two you're saying wait wait the law is to deport illegals and we don't do that what do you mean what are you speaking about there what yeah like you you're supposed to deport people when they enter at the border and we let a bunch of these people in what do you mean you're supposed to deport them at the border but we let them in and these cases take years they cost thousands in tax dollars more than that these people get housed they get money it's you know I spoke to people when I was doing film where they were saying they'll just go because they know they won't be deported for years and they'll get to live supposed to deport yes and thank God Donald Trump saved them by blocking the legislation in the Congress you agree we need better legislation why are you act that's my position your position is a ban on mass migration which is nonsense okay yeah I do M I'm asking I'm asking Sean what is it when you say that we are supposed to deport people legally but we don't what are you talking about there what are you referring to do do you know how do you know how Obama got called the porterin Chief it's because of these rapid deportations that of people who showed up at the border this was this is policy under law for people who are admitted you can get them out even quicker without putting them through the quick Le well through the lengthy legal system so that is what we used to get done that's why Obama got all those deportations under his belt most of them were basically immediate ejections so yes this is what you can do under law this is what you're supposed to do under law but instead we let these people go through through the Asylum system because they're fraudulently claiming Asylum and we know they're fraudulently claiming Asylum because they passed through six countries in order to get here if we are letting people in that are claiming Asylum but we don't want to be or we do want to be why would the Democrats try to pass legislation in the house to change this because Biden denied this issue even existed for three plus years had nothing to do with what I just said that's why they wanted to pass it I'll explain it then it became politically inconvenient for them so they wanted to pass something into law to have a w on their side so yeah the reason they wanted to pass legislation was po political expedience all right you two this was a stream on the UK riots so I'm going to girl boss Gaslight and gatekeep and kick the men in two minutes here you both have one more statement and then you can say uh sure yeah Democrats tried to pass uh B shot a number of things to slow down the Asylum process at the border the idea that we allow people in who are illegal that we know they're is just not true it's just and that you can tell by the way there's like a weasel answer to every single question I ask you don't let people in with no paperwork um and when the answer is well if they're fraudulent and you know Fake it Well then obviously of course um we do allow people to come to Port ports of entry and claim Asylum uh which I think is a huge [ __ ] problem right now but when Democrats tried to pass legislation in Congress uh that was authored by originally a republican in the Senate Langford uh Trump shot it down literally Trump on his own told Republicans don't vote for this I need to keep the Border open for election issues uh which is insane so the idea that somehow Democrats still get blamed for this when it is Republicans that shot down legislation under the orders of a guy who's not even in office right now okay Donald Trump it's ridiculous that Democrats still get the blame for that now that's on Republicans they get the blame for that until the election season and then we'll see what happens after that yeah I mean that's a nice talking point but Joe Biden under the campaign said he wanted these people to Surge to the Border that's who we are that's exactly what happened for three plus years into his administration until it became politically expedient for him to say oh crap I guess I got to pretend to do something related to the border so if this was the non-existent issue for three plus years then he should have just let things go as they were going but instead he has to blame Trump because they didn't want to pass some cheap win that wouldn't resolve the issue that doesn't penalize people for destroying their documents that doesn't reinstitute remain in Mexico and wouldn't actually solve the root of the problem which is a bunch of economic migrants passing through a bunch of different countries on their way to the United States to abuse our Asylum system so no you don't pass a fake a law that's not really going to address the heart of the issue in order to give the guy who allowed the issue to spin out of control a cheap political win all right very good guys uh generic YouTuber also super chatted there is a huge difference between what policy is on paper and what is practiced by courts and Customs agents due to orders from heads of bureaucracy that is true all right um I appreciate you both coming on here this was a bit chaotic it's my first stream in a long time so I just appreciate as Sean said coming to my piano recital um could Stephen I'm sure people know where to find you but if you had any you know Last Words YouTube in a video game you would like to say where people can follow you uh go right ahead and then I'll let Sean go uh youtube.com Destiny um yeah also bu his on track to deport more people than Trump did so yeah thanks a lot Andy can't use title 42 to do it so inshah all right go ahead Sean uh you can find me on youtube.com/ actual Justice Warrior and uh take a look at the net immigration numbers that was a big topic earlier on so Deport more raw number out of the millions more people that have come into the country under Biden because he asked them to so YouTu immigration why are we complaining the two Asylum fraud is not legal you said immigra you said net immigration numbers yeah it's hella inflated by these people that come into the country under the Asylum system leave my call leave I men are so caty aren't they Lucy just so catty it's unbelievable did you see my mem I posted on Twitter I was like I was told we were talking about the riot the guy at the computer I do not oh look at it I look at it it's okay I mean yeah it just literally no one could stay on topic oh very good meme I thought we were talking about Britain I mean you know well it's so funny because the argument from uh loner box and Stephen was essentially that why did this issue all pop off as a result of a Rwandan second generation immigrant like this doesn't make any sense and then they take this and bring it into every possible crisis to do with immigration they take this topic and it becomes about American Immigration it becomes about the economy it becomes this well obviously it's all connected obviously there are a million issues that are pressurizing this and you guys want to bring them up too yeah it's called the world it's called world every day in the world there's loads of things that happen they're not all like the same over here we just obviously have a different problem I think part the problem is with [ __ ] pardon my language we're we're tiny like America is physically huge we're we're tiny I think I don't know if that you know maybe I'm just being stupid here but we've taken a lot for the size of our country I would say um but also you know if anyone's interested in the riots I'll tell you what's going on in the riots at the moment the guarder are being called in in Belfast because a supermarket that was torched yesterday or a couple of days ago um someone tried to set it on fire again so that's good and we've also had Muslim Graves being desecrated that's been happening um we've been having people are people are shouting the p word with their children skipping down the street saying PWS out people from Pakistan out we've got Britain first being graffitied everywhere and of course was it last night or the night before I think it was the night before no when were they trying to set fire to the second hotel Holiday in I think it was last night saw so this is what this is why I wanted to have you on because I think you've got a really interesting perspective on this all because you are not someone who will deny the issues of immigration you are not someone who's going to come out and be like all of their contentions are racist and garbage and Bs but you are you have experienced being on the the wrong end of attacks from people who consider themselves you know Patriot groups So you you're also quite disgusted with the violence going on and do you feel like Torn Between Two Worlds like you have no place in this current media cycle or even social conversation in the UK or do you feel more people are actually very in line with your perspective I don't know I don't know if um I mean I have quite a few people started following me and saying that I seem I was on the times earlier I was on times radio but they mainly just wanted to ask me if I was um disgusted or what's the work that I felt guilty about working with Tommy and I was kind of saying well yeah like obviously because there was things like he definitely spread a lot of fake news as well but like at the same time I would say that the work that we were doing was actually an attempt to stop things like this happening that's what I think I I at the time it was very much people were sending messages and it was getting very extreme and it was like going the way of like what we're seeing now and we thought that in order to counter that okay we go to these places we interview the people you know we we talk about these issues where the media's like we pick up the ball from where the media's left off and try and kind of just make sense of things without it turning into violence but I just think we we're so this country is just a little bit all over the place for a start they thought that edl did exists that was I mean talk about misinformation that most of the country think that edl still exists and that's amazing that's in the UK too or is that just the kind of Americans I guess loner box is British isn't here and he still the wow okay sorry the UK most people here we've had all over the news it's like people talking about should we prescribe the edl as as a terror organization which just everyone was like what are you talking about they disbanded like 2013 2014 it kind of makes me think so when I was doing all that work and obviously we were working together around Rebel and Tommy and everything did people think I'd join the edl because I had a Muslim once come up to me and say Hey you can punch me if you want and I was like what and I I guess that's the thing that I can't square is that I just thought that we would I thought that we were trying to be like this kind of this Middle Ground of people that were like kind of liberal and like kind of this and kind of that and remember we used to go out to gay bars and like laugh about like just you know how stupid our job wear or whatever but now I just feel like what's happened was ever since 2018 everything just seems to have gone to part in the UK like you've got all these Splinter Fringe movements you've got patriotic alternative On The Rise then they always have loads of split offs and like arguments and they're like the ones that Tommy hates they're like the the proper Nazis that he hates so again people don't just can't make this distinction people don't actually know what's going on they don't know the details they I see it all the time it's like they're calling Tommy a fascist you couldn't spell fascist you know what I mean he could find it in a dictionary sorry that was rude but you know he's not a fascist not by definition not not the policy that he wants he doesn't even want policy he just wants bad thing to stop that's that's how his that's what a lot of people are they want bad thing to stop but they like you were saying when we initially started all of this we got into this media world at the same time it was like all right there is a group here we are young we don't necessarily know exactly what's going on but what we know is their story is not being told and we grew up in these communities that had these problems we know they're real we know the media are lying because it's like very obvious to our face our day-to-day experience that it's not being portrayed properly and just normal people normal people from 10 20 years ago that wanted actual issues to be addressed and if you there was what what what was the outlet sorry actually someone just asked Lauren which UK prime minister decided to ban you basically for warning them uh what is happening now was it Teresa may it was Teresa may it was under Teresa may anyways Max McDonald thank you for the5 but it was to do with hope not hate I think that do you remember they had a picture of us at that loen game that we went to and it was like they were crossing us off one by one yeah they got they got me banned they legit called in and got me banned and then everyone thought I was working for them which is a really cool thing about the far right is they'll they they are like the most likely for to fall for scops absolutely like the first people that will fall for left ring scops is the right like the most conspir sides of the right which is really helpful thing as well there's this whole period of time and I kind of wish that when I went on the times that again it was just kind of like a very nice woman saying well do you feel bad do you feel responsible and I was like this is like a kind of not the really the question to ask because I'm kind of thinking there was these large sades of activists if you remember obviously that were like trying to raise awareness of of the issues of undocumented migration or whatever you want to call it Asylum seeking but just things going wrong things being too much things not working there were people trying to raise awareness of it and they all got banned and censored eventually and then hope not hate put out a big article that said deplatforming deplatforming Works let's get on with it keep deplatforming them and here we are few years later didn't work did it didn't work and now I actually sort of half agree with Tommy he tweeted something the other day about the riots saying that this was a rudderless ship I don't think that's entirely true but I think a little bit like what you're seeing you're not seeing really leaders at the at the front of these protests you're just seeing like a a mass like just I don't know like horde of people there's no there's no one like sitting there saying hey do this next like there there are some people winding it up but Tommy's not saying go here and do this per se he's hinting at it he's saying look at this look at this is where people are going but I actually think yeah looking back I just wish I just think there has been at least six years of people trying to normal people trying to raise awareness of these issues and they all got censored or maybe like Me Maybe they got booted out of the movement and treated badly by their own movement or whatever and they just got you know their voices got lost and now we just got like of warmongers like just well the people the people who wanted to talk got pushed out for sure yeah and also there were so many people actually that's the that's the other thing that kind of miss about working in the fields like actually going out there like you went to the migrant camps we were going to these small towns and cities across the UK and we were speaking to people and how many people that I've met that were not white that were second third generation immigrants who were really pissed off too and what about them that's what kind of like a whole message what about these people what about you know like they're allowed to even before I was involved with politics my GP said the same thing she said oh I voted brexit um I want them out too many immigrants and she was Chinese yeah what about her I got an email today oh actually I'm gonna bring up this email in a second it's very in line with what you're saying but you said your interview today was with the times and them asking you to to be basically on your knees apologetic how dare I which is very ironic because if you read my wikkipedia page um she has rejected the far-right label and said she is not a racist preferring to be described as conservative in 2019 when making such denials to a journalist from the times of London Southern ended their conversation by predicting a race war and I will never forget that interview because they actually took the audio from that and cut it up to change sentences that I said like cut words out of sentences it was wild I've never seen such like BS editing in my life but you know you look back at that conversation and what I was trying to say is I don't want any of these things to happen I don't want this immigration to cause chaos I don't want anyone to be in pain or anyone to face racism I don't want any of that but if things keep going the way they are objectively you are going to have a race for whether you like it or not and this this whole the way it's worded in Wikipedia she has rejected far right but listen when she made denials of this she said there was going to be a race WS trying to say well clearly she's a racist no predicting something that is going to happen does not make you a racist and the fact that the Times Wikipedia all these people slandered everyone who tried to warn about this happening in the future they are the ones not you Lucy not me who should be ashamed of themselves who should be asking H what could I have done that may have caused this did I did I even predict for a second that the complaints of these people may have had some Merit to it no they didn't they didn't at all um and as you're just saying with people that you would speak to uh your doctor or whe whoever it be that be of different ethnicities I got an email today from A really lovely gentleman anupam he's Indian and he said I was a British citizen born in the UK my parents were born in India and came over in the 70s I've been a supporter of yours for years I completely understand a lot of issues you have discussed relating to uncontrolled immigration changing demographics problem cultures seeing the state of the UK right now I'm an avid believer in curbing immigration levels and having a serious nuanced discussion about the problems immigrant groups cause in the country here's my dilemma I have been as angered as anyone else in the country over the stabbings committed by the descendant of immigrants who clearly have no respect for our country however I have seen a growing movement of people holding the belief that if you are born to Immigrant parents you are inherently not British and have no right to claim you are uh even Saron of aad I can only identify with being British I have more in common with my white neighbors than anyone from India or any other country my loyalties are to the UK and my values align as such if I was dropped in India tomorrow I would feel like a foreigner uh I'm really struggling with how I feel about this for years I defended the right position of immigrants needing to align with Western values yet apparently even this isn't enough anymore look at how letting things get to this has ruined it for people like this man in a world where we didn't have mass immigration in a world where the complaints about this were not ignored from the working class where we didn't let so many radicals in this man could have happily lived in in Britain with a culture he respected and loved without feeling now pushed out and once again it's all just a natural conclusion people they don't know anymore they don't care anymore they don't want to hear the Nuance they just want the bad thing to stop like you said and now people like this it's actually the immigrants who wanted to assimilate are going to suffer a ton it's really really sad to me like did you see the clip of that black guy just getting chased around and like punched like set upon by like yeah whatever you and it's you're like if that was my friend I think I would like I I don't know what I'd do like obviously but you just think like really like and is this what Tom like do people like Tommy really want this I don't know I don't think so but there's obviously the wigets there's obviously the more like hard right I don't know if you've seen Barry Stanton's Twitter feed I don't know how he's still online isn't it just a meme I thought his was a meme just like how how much of it is like yeah yeah yeah it's like getting to like I don't know but it's just funny as well because they're trying to blame musk they're trying to blame uh apparently Lawrence Fox was seen like leaving the country this morning because he might be getting in trouble as well for incitement see even that is crazy though like that fact that it's been made illegal like like that kind of two-tier justice system that everyone's talking about that you have people putting up stickers against Mass immigration and then you have like proper pedos and individual ual that are grooming young girls that are not being deported that are getting lesser prison sentences than the people putting up stickers saying you know I don't even care what it says it was like End Mass immigration or keep Britain white I don't care what it said the fact that you have people being put in jail over stickers but not for sexual assault this is what causes people to just run in the streets and act crazy and I'm not saying that that is not a like yeah go beat up random people but like you have literally created an unhinged population that don't feel anything is fair anymore and so they don't feel they should be fair anymore it's just how humans work whether we like it or not we just have so many problems over problems over problems like yeah immigration's a bit of it like over like too much but then also yeah like the prisons are full prisons are full so now we have to clear out the prisons who we clearing out don't know got to Chuck a bunch of like gammons in that's what they're thinking um and then you know mean you just got like poverty everywhere you've just got everything's changing everything's very globalized and blah blah blah but then yeah as someone that was in the system as a having a crime committed against me for like four years and like having the police basically brush me off to to the point where I actually started to believe that it was political like I actually started to believe that the police were like purposefully not dealing with this stalking case that I was dealing with because because of my history or something like that but there is that little part to me that now still Bears a grudge that when I see the police get attacked there is that part of me that thinks yeah you like and maybe maybe a lot of people think that too maybe these areas maybe they're just like you know F the police but even if you're to look at this as like a British nationalist then those police are still it's the English fighting the English if you're looking at it that way like not all of them but it's just like that's the sad thing like none of these people should be fighting the people that have born here first generation second gener like whatever everyone has just been put in this you know people calling it a failed experiment but it like it brings me no joy to see basically people chasing down white people or brown people just to beat them because of their color like that's just like caveman [ __ ] you know like well we're police getting knocked in the head and like they do have there will be there are women on the front line women policemen um who yeah who are probably going home to to sons and daughters with big black eye that's horrible don't like seeing that either so yeah it's a real it's a real mess I don't really know what K starm is going to do maybe just lock up all the white people that'd be good there we go we'll lock up all the white people now everyone can yeah well I mean I don't know it's one of those things you just think you're looking at it and you're like this is horrible it's like 28 Days Later but it's so it was so preventable I really think preventable that's the thing that sucks about it like no one likes to see racist attacks like no one likes that and even whatever that even regardless of what they're graffitiing and stuff they're still attacking businesses and just vandalizing like they're they're graffiting racist stuff but they're also just like vandalizing properties like causing problems they set a library on fire like great you know they're going to like as I I've also seen videos appearing of the Muslim gangs coming out as well and doing the same thing but that's not getting reported on so like I think people get to a break and I'm not yeah I I agree with everything you're saying but I think people get to a breaking point where I said this on Twitter the other day eventually white people are going to realize they get to loot without consequences too like eventually they're going to realize it and yeah they've been looting Lush they've been looting Greg and some of them are going to go to prison for five years for sausage role I mean yeah are we happy about that if would a nationalist be happy no and that's the thing too like if you are there and you have friends going out and looting places um I mean it might it's likely they'll get away with it but if they don't like that that ruins people's lives and we've seen it before in the political movement where people will push people you got to do something you got to go out there and they'll be the ones that aren't going out they'll be the ones that are tweeting and then the people on the ground end up in jail for years and people forget about them and their life is ruined I well because it's not just a riot is it it's like yes you can go and yes you can wear a mask and yes you can go and like throw some stuff but there are people all around that place with cameras there are police with cameras there are probably anti-fascist people like networks with cameras your phone is you know evidence of where you've been anything you post on social media a lot of these people are probably getting a bit fast and loose with what they're posting on Facebook so that's now have doors are getting knocked on right now they're going to be made an example of and you know that's when we take it back to Tommy that image of him lying on on a sun lounger like did you see this like in what's it called The Daily Mail texting just like starting the race war and you just think like it's just uh like you said law of fox is leaving the country you're gonna have a lot of people going to their vacation homes for a bit while a lot of their supporters end up in jail yeah and also like this is the thing like even before the riot started like my argument on Twitter like I did this big thread about it about how his film that he put out wasn't quite the truth you know he has this habit of putting out kind of half truths and kind of getting himself stuck painted into a corner and then kind of making a documentary to get his way out of it and like yeah I was kind of trying to explain that this film is actually was deemed liolis by a court and by the high courts of Justice or whatever I think in London um I I read the transcript as much as I could you know and like I was watching people break it down and stuff and it seems pretty simple he just said he said a Syrian refugee was a bully and he was attacking native white girls or something he wasn't able to prove it and he lost the case so it got deemed lious so his way of retaliating is like okay well I'm going to show this film to like now it's been seen by at least 20 million people and like it's just so annoying because I just think that the truth kind of goes out the window I think that him and his followers are thinking yeah but it's ayrian so you know he's brown and the other kid was white so you know like that's how it seems like it just comes across to me it's just like the the actual truth of it and the law doesn't matter and it's like why do we need some guy making a documentary about a school playground incident that's very one-sided like very faky in the way that he's done it and everything like why do we need that film to be the thing that might have contributed to race riots like that's the thing that I don't get it's like if you want to do a big documentary about the truth about Mass immigration something like that in the UK or like some deep conspiracy government thing that you've discovered that you've absolutely fact checked it's all true you're going to tell this big secret to the Brits they're all going to wake up and you know Rule Britannia and the the British Lion is going to Roar okay like maybe but it's like that's what they think is happening but it's not happening it's like Tommy made a made a film shouldn't have made it not really necessarily true it's wound everyone up on a really hot well the problem is no one no one reads the court cases like I actually read the documents a bit there and I I watched the like breakdown of people who had read the documents and yeah it's it's a bit like unnecessarily like complicated and like kind of like not really what and then I just think people give him the benefit of the doubt of like yeah but he's right on most stuff and it's like uh like kind of kind of I mean like the free Tommy movement in 2018 that was to do with he nearly collapsed a grooming trial and he was like taken away in police fan a hero of Britain because he nearly let groomers Go free like and that's the kind of stuff that I've been sitting in the background just knowing this stuff and being really like just amazed just watching it all play out whether it be Tommy or a lot of people in this political movement the amount of times I'm like holding my phone and like throwing it across the room watching people donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to things that are objectively lies but no one reads the court case no one and they're like I am getting oppressed because I'm not a communist and I'm like guys why are you donating so much money just if you're going to I I beg of you if anyone is watching this stream if you are going to donate money to any cause and it it has to do with il legal anything read the court cases first save your money read the court cases first if and if it's legit go for it sorry sorry it makes your movement look dumb it makes your movement look dumb because you've got proper journalists that will go in and publish all of this stuff and be like you know there was a channel four video that was like who is Tommy Robinson and why is he in prison and they laid it out pretty simply and that's what Mom and Dad back in Cambridge are going to watch they're going to watch like okay here's this story he's saying this actually it's a little bit this and d d and then they see the footage of all of his followers singing his name wearing his face on the T-shirt you know and they just think God these people and it's so annoying because those very followers have the same concerns that we need to talk about but they can't because everyone thinks they're a doofus like supporting some cult leader yeah and it's like it just gets lost in the weeds and it just kind of annoys me because like they do deserve like their voice is heard and it just becomes like oh they're just stupid Tommy me support this is this is why I'm not mad at anyone who like of course I have the moments where I throw my phone across the room and I'm like Grandma do not give your $10 stop it but I also understand like people put their faith in media figures for they put their faith in dissident media figures because they know the mainstream are lying because they're living in reality and they see that reality is different than what the media say and then because the non-mainstream figures will put out stories that are kind of in line with their reality they're like okay I have a real job I have a real family I have to take care of I don't have time to look into this stuff I'm putting my faith and trust in you to help this country and I'm giving my $10 to you to hope that you're going to fix something because I can't give my time to it so it really is a trust thing they can't TR the mainstream so they go to the dissident but there's like unfortunately everyone's got motivations now in media you got to look into issues yourself you really do at least if you're going to get worked up about them to the point where you're going to Riot or you're going to put money towards it you have to do you have to take the time to do a little bit of Deep dive rather than end up in jail or end up you know uh wasting your money for sure that's the thing I mean again like it just it just becomes like clown world there's just a lot of people out there that have just evolved into just silly nonsense and I think I I just feel sad I feel like there's a lot of like wasted opportunities I feel like there's a lot of people whose activism we sorely missed probably because they've got tired of the nonsense and left or just gone to start a family or most of the people I know in politics did that from a lot of women a lot of women sick of being called whes every day yeah they haven't survived much on the Twitter sphere yeah and like just I just see this kind of like okay so this is what we we used to joke that we made this movement that was like kind of diverse and you had all these different characters and it was more like Al light you know it was it was whatever um but we we called it like a Chanel shop you know we made it all nice we had Tommy look you know all the camera work that George was doing and it was all very nice and it was like a Chanel Boutique and we said that afterwards he took it and he turned it into one of those tourist shops that you see by Marble Arch just with like England beanie hats and like scarves and stuff yeah and we were just like we were like trying to like basically be like the Tommy Whisperers of trying to explain to like normal people why you have to listen to the working class because they do have something to say and this guy's been saying it maybe he's got a point blah blah blah he he's their kind of pseudo representative for some of them and we need you to listen to them and we were getting somewhere we were getting somewhere that's what really annoys me but you know will they listen now probably not that's the thing now that whole name and that whole movement and everything is going to be associated with desecrating Muslim Graves going around lynching black people basically and saying people should go home and stuff that you know have been born here and it's just it just it's just grotty it's just grotty I don't know it's not it's not going anywhere better that's for sure it's not going downhill but hey I mean Britain's known for going downhill it's what we like to do we like to have a moan it's kind of fun being in the death of an Empire you know to watch it all sorry quick superat good music good music come out nickm says I would have had a great threat on this story if x ever gave me my account back thank you for the $10 Nick and always good luck to getting that X account back always well we've done a chat about that which I'm going to be putting up like this week I guess if the writing stops if the writing talking about I keep okay so I'm supposed to be on a little mini vacation this month just taking time off from doing videos and it's like I saw this with Shawn who was on here as well he had his wedding and then Trump got shot in the ear and then I'm like okay time to go when the riots break out over the UK it's a lot of happenings everyone keeps saying nothing's happening there's a lot happening right now this I'm getting I'm getting dark 2016 Vibes like 2016 except we're we're in the upside down from stranger things I actually thought yeah because I thought I was like writing my notes early I was like do you think that the Trump shooting and then we had a bunch of people like in this country as well there was a lot of people arguing on Twitter because people were like oh they shouldn't wish they didn't miss you know they should have got him like blah blah blah we're sad that Trump didn't get killed um and that just immediately sent me back in time like just immediately I just remember being back at my fashion office and hearing them say that on the inauguration day and I was thinking wow we are in different worlds because we had a desk with like partition I'm on one side they're on the other side they're praying he gets shot I'm praying he doesn't get shot and it's like two different worlds and it's just it kind of made me remember like how many people like on the one hand are just like peace and love but then on the other hand are like wish this guy got shot in the head and it just kind of I do wonder if there was like cuz America and the UK have this synchronicity like brexit and Trump happened and I wonder if people did it just reminded people of that time I don't know but the battle lines definitely get drawn I think when you say that someone should be shot I I do think that that's a very hard line of like that's my opinion yeah and I think that maybe it doesn't help I don't know put it that way because we do a lot of people here like Trump a lot of people that you'll see writing probably like Trump a lot of people in these movements like Trump you know what ever and I just wonder how much of that kind of brought Memories Back I don't know maybe not maybe just me but no no it definitely did it's it's like everything is so intense but it's even more intense that's what it's gone from like we think that the right wing should be shut down and censor to we think they should be shot and it's like the same Vibes the same very competitive like split except it's a lot more intense and then even seeing like post Trump shooting like people trying to Libs of Tik Tok tried to find this random Home Depot workers's job to get them fired because it was some granny that said you know Trump should get shot and I'm like I I don't like any of it like all of this was Behavior I found cringe in 2016 I hate it all I hate doxing I hate the extremism I you know I get that but but like you know people will be like Lauren the time for talk is over uh we're we're not going to be a country anymore and I get that I do like I've been banned from countries for trying to warn about this I've I've really put a lot of my heart and soul into trying to talk about these crises but I assure you um LARPing the revolution on x.com and like death threats and doxing random minimum wage workers is going to do even less than just having conversations like it's just going to make us all go into ugab Booga brain real fast it's kind of it's giving Pudge it's giving Purge it is giving Purge that's for sure I mean five minutes ago the rightwing hated each other girls and boys it was girls and boys versus each other you know everyone was moaning about the gender Wars and suddenly five minutes later there's all these you know other issues and you kind of think this is what happened in 2016 16 17 a lot of people got lumped together because it felt like we all had to be facing the bad thing which at the time was like antifa uh over here it was terrorist after terrorist attack you know we had what did we have we had like Manchester Westminster London Bridge I think I don't I don't know if I don't think that order is right but we had that we had nice we had what do we have that what that pulse night club we had people getting attacked for their hats for wearing a Maga hat you know and all this was going viral and just everything was like right that's the bad thing we're all against the bad thing now the rightwing have had a little chance to like ferment and now we're kind of like you know we're on gender lines now but but I just don't know I just don't know but I can't look at race r and people being like setting fire to like hotels with migrants in and be like yeah this is going this is going to fix it this will fix it this will fix this yeah we nailed it this is gonna do it this glad all along I get I get how it got to this point in fact I've known it was going to get to this point for years but it was always like didn't want it to get here was not a fan of getting here kind of thought could have like used a bit of that predictive thinking to prevent this but no and actually I just wish I same with the BLM Stu I look at it and I'm like okay I can I say this can I say this out loud let me think about this this is bad don't do it but why dear BLM and dear UK Riders are you burning down random shops instead of government buildings don't do it but why why are the targets not the people making the policies you hate I don't know it doesn't make sense to me you know what I mean surrounded by police because I mean that's the thing I mean if you can't go for the people in power and we're not going to go into like Westminster and drag out kissed armor by his ankles that's not going to happen is it like you can't what we gonna do we've already had didn't James Godard get arrested for shouting at Anna subri like some MP he was like calling her like whatever chasing her around like the parliament square and then you know like people have tried all sorts of things is just like shouting at MPS and like it doesn't doesn't really work so I think that's the next thing is that people start shouting at that what they see is the problem which is for these riters it's it's people of color which is horrible it's horrible like but I also don't want them like doing mob things against like MP what do we do what do we do I don't know yeah yeah um I guess we can just watch the ride enjoy the ride watch the ride I mean apparently so what day are we now it's Monday bank holiday Monday nice day for a bloody ride and then apparently on Wednesday it's going to be more Friday apparently as well and just you know it's just going to be cracked down after crack someone actually put together like I know he wasn't prime minister then but K D's speech after BLM riots and like compared it next to his speech now and it is quite like yeah it's very like I get it because BLM went chasing down white people like that so I get it and they did actually there were a few in they were pulling people out of their cars in the UK oh not in the UK that was iner I feel like that it was more like they were just doing marches and speeches but okay um it's just that thing of people people call him to te and the thing is that's just missing is that at the moment the big catchphrase on all of our Radio Pro uh shows is uh legitimate concerns how much of this is legitimate concerns and how much of it is ritis and what's racist and what's not and everyone just seems to have different versions of what's going on and I just think that characters like like Mr Robinson have just kind of just like cemented themselves he's just a name that keeps coming up Douglas Murray can't talk about these things because they call him Tommy Robinson waight TR Tommy Robinson that's what they call him which is like a posh shop over here um Nigel farage can't talk about it because uh they call him Tommy Robinson in a suit so you've got wait Tommy Robinson you've got Tommy in a suit so every person that talks about immigration has to be some version of Tommy do they great thanks mate like it just we need new like villains or something like I don't know we just need someone like we new blood in the game some competent villains the game yeah Saron tried didn't he tried to run for ukip and same everywhere everywhere needs new blood everywhere needs younger people actually I know it's uh I love you Boomers sometimes but we need new people when I was going into all of this like right back at the beginning my first thought was like I want to be able to talk about immigration with someone that's not white I want to be able to have a conversation with them where we could talk about things rationally and not devolve into like tit Fort and I always thought like that was quite a good goal like we need to talk about these things we need to find the language to talk about these things but again like there is a massive push from government and media like no you're not no you're not and it's like like and you're racist you're racist it gets to the point I think where people just think it's kind of like when you get accused of cheating all the time by like an abusive partner someone's just going to like if you keep getting treated like a criminal yeah and I think that's what's happened I think you by calling people that aren't really far right far right I think now we just we don't know what far right is and now we have apparently far right you know people going thr their hands up and they say Okay I I I even did that like I leaned into I remember I'd go out and like the media would just be like you are a white nationalist fascist this that and I'm like all right where are my high black boots where are my black boot heels and like SS let's have fun I will take a photo shoot right now looking like I'm about to shoot flares at a migrant boat let's lean into it because why done some dumb stuff I mean it's that thing of like being wound up and like your first response to be like you know like that it's childish but then we were in our 20s you know yeah um sorry Kim Max McDonald said super chated at $10 thank you British media Outlets like BBC or the Guardians seem to hate British people and love Islam more than Al jazer or any Islamic Outlet how do most Brits view their media well that's the thing I mean people people over here seem to think that all of these riots are caused by The Daily Mail I can assure you I don't think that's of all the time that I've spent speaking to people across the country when we worked for rebel and stuff they never talked about the Daily Mail they talked about stuff they saw on their street you know and like people they met and stories that they'd heard so we have a very complicated it just seems to be something that I I think that kind of liberal people just seem to brush off and just think that all workingclass people read The Daily Mail I don't know if that's a million per what's happening here or like they call the telegraph they call it the Tory graph um and then people think that the guardian is really leftwing and it is however I posted this thing today of the Guardian talking about the demographic stuff going on so what's going I just don't know what's going on um yeah trying to work it out but in terms of yeah I don't know in terms of our media over here we we have GB news which I'm not you know massively like on board with everything they say but at least they're talking about this issue a bit better and LBC I would say is very good that's what I listen to um but yeah I don't know I don't know how much of this is media and how much of it is just people getting pissed off and going outside and nearly getting mugged and coming home and calling the police and the police don't do anything you know like how much of it is like just things happening in their lives that's what I want to know y for me like this is what people don't get they'll like try to Gaslight me on these issues and I'm like no no no like 90% of my political opinions come from just stuff like even my International politics it comes from stuff I've seen firsthand by traveling to these areas or by growing up with this or by living it that is where you don't understand politics until you understand everything is personal these arguments that you see political commentators get in half of them it's because they're like there's something going on behind the scenes with business or relationships or whatever it is all so personal I just saw a tweet from radfem Hitler you either love them or you hate them but uh the Tweet was like once you understand that everything oh let me let me find it sorry I keep fiddling with my hair by the way it's really sweaty here very very hot very hot for the riots very hot I think that might be part they actually tried to blame it on the weather I don't know how much of it is is the weather but you know they were like oh and it's very hot tensions are high contentions are high it is hot oh man where did this go I had a really interesting tweet they must have deleted it but it was something along the lines of once you understand that politics and commentary isn't about what you're actually saying but about how you make people feel about themselves when you say it then you understand politics so like when the media are talking about migration how do they make the British people feel when they talk about it not even the facts of the issue how are you making people feel like how are you saying it that matters it matters kind of like you know the little language trick trick that they used to do with like well there's the anti-fascist and then you know they're protesting say well who are they protesting they must be protesting the fascists you know because they're anti-fascist they're protesting and it's like not always though is it it's not always it's not always a fascist that they're protesting it could just be like a Barry that's pissed off at yeah I don't know that his streets gone to PO or whatever um but yeah I mean you're right and that's the other thing as well going back to our work I think we really helped to sell this idea that we were all pushing back against some kind of globalized um evil you know dictatorship kind of One World New World Order government thing and you know I actually I actually kind of believed it at the time because it felt like that because we did have NGS chasing us around trying to put us in jail so that did happen um and now looking back you just think yeah like all of these different stories and threads are going on some of some of it's kind of a little bit muddled and some of it's not quite right but then I saw something today which was like Joe mhall from hope not not hate been interviewed for some article and he said something about how these people think that they have legitimate concerns but actually they don't and I was like well what kind of message does that send like okay so you're worried about this no you're not yeah no you're not you're not actually nothing you're saying is legitimate your little sister didn't get stabbed you know your your job isn't it's just Madness um Lucy I know it's getting late there and I do have to run soon myself so I just wanted to give you space to give last thoughts and jump gonna jump on the bus and go to um where's the next one no she's putting her mask on and yeah jumping in um yeah I don't know I'm G to see if this times thing is up I'm I'll see if I can like repost that later I'm I'm just keeping an eye on things and just kind of like posting I'm trying to post both I'm trying to post things from both sides because I'm really sorry I know it's fun for people like Barry Stanton that sharing fasy beams and everything and we all like you know it's all very edgy but I I think I keep having to remind I feel like I just want to like be there to say hey Muslim Graves desecrated good or bad you know like black guy being punched for being black good or bad like we need to this needs to open up like and I'm kind of glad that I'm just kind of this independent now so I'm on X my name is Lucy Marian Brown on X put my granny's name back in there um and I'm just post I'm just posting I'm just posting just asking questions trying to figure out what's going on um yeah and just What's happen Lu uy m a r i o n Brown and Maran like made Maran from Robin Hood and then Brown like the people that are getting punched right now so you can find me on there I don't really know what I'm going to do I'm kind of trying to write about this time that we had working together but it's kind of like tough you know it's a tough time that we did that we worked on um but yeah I don't know I'm just here just here saying what I see it's my new game say what you see love that and ab absolutely love you too Lucy you've uh I know more than I think a lot of people in this sphere how much effort you've put into genuinely trying to push for good and political change and um how much you have suffered for it as well and I will never not respect you for that no matter where you go in your political journey and wherever that Ventures to I uh I respect your journey I don't I don't know if I like politics that much I'll be honest with you but you know I've got some skills you absolutely skills good use um but yeah it was lovely chatting it was nice for it to you know finally chat about England yes yes once we got rid of all the men I saw some guy tweet on Twitter he's like your stream got significantly better once you kicked all the men this is the radfem stream now I'm joking go I am joking all right love you Lucy bye bye all right it is just me I had people complaining Lauren why aren't you including the chat there's a lot going on there were a lot of people talking a lot going on okay I was trying to keep up with it I will say hello answer a few questions in the chat now I haven't streamed in a while this is a I'm going to try to make it all more aesthetic if I do end up streaming more we shall see um I need I need more time off this this summer though but if there's another happening maybe I'll hop on stream and then we'll see we'll see come winter I'll have a proper system going to make the because that that using Discord it all looks ugly and I'm just like sat here trying to get all of the screens and audio looking good the entire time I got to figure that out anyways good woman Lucy good chat thank you uh Bogden Bogden s sories uh bye says William let me see has Lucy ever been contacted by John Sweeney after panad drama I'm sorry I did not read that until now um well for the most part it is only the migrants that are fighting so not too much has to be done to calm qualm tensions oh I saw GE was arguing about whether I believe someone has the freedom of speech to make a death threat I did not say that um I think people have the freedom of speech to say I wish someone didn't miss whether it be about left or right-wing candidates I think you have the free speech to say you wish something bad happened to say I want I am going to make something bad happen like I am going to kill some no I don't I think you don't have the the Free Speech to say that uh monolithic ethos says Goombas have taken over the Mushroom Kingdom with a I am Princess Peach yes that is true I went as Princess Peach for Halloween all right we don't seem to have too many there's a lot of just banter in here thoughts on Destiny thinking you're a racist I don't think he actually thinks I'm a racist I think he was just yelling that during the debate like surely surely they know the difference between having issues with mass immigration because it's completely changing your culture and economy and there there you know it's C causing racial tensions because of the degree of change that is happening so quickly like I am positive they understand that I just think there's a bit of like you are the summation of The Five People You spend the most time with and if you are constantly spending time with people who are of more Progressive ideology if you're constantly spending time with people who are dealing with migration issues in their Hometown like you are going to really create cycles of thought that are going to keep you in that kind of bias and I think that that Progressive like streamer World bias where they are not having to be the brunt of mass immigration victims it's it's very easy to just throw out words like racist without really really thinking about it um I wish I had Mr Beast money imagine a world where Mr Beast did experiment it's like I rented five rooms in Luton and made mainstream media journalists live there for a year and whoever stayed there the longest without getting like stabbed or feeling they needed to flee gets a million dollars we need a Mr Beast that does that kind of stuff I bought five tickets back to Africa for BLM activists uh whoever stays in Africa for x amount of time or longer like gets the million dollars Mr Beast could do some very fun experiments but I think a lot of people need need that Lauren you said that the UK women are having a hard time getting vitamin D okay I am not I am not reading naughty chats all right even if they're super chats but thank you for the five Jeremy uh she is having a Matt Christensen moment what is that I don't know what that I know Matt obviously but I don't know what a Matt Christensen moment is is that like a boomer and bad at Tech moment I don't know um oh Elijah says this pertains to what Destiny said earlier how is it Apples to Apples comparing the West to Elsewhere on the topic of women in culture based on the largely online gender Discord we are dealing obviously it's it's insane and I wish I brought this up more because it's like what randos say on the internet as annoying as it can be and don't get me wrong like I've sat here and I've criticized it not to my own benefit many a times um but the like what randos are saying on the internet versus what are the actual laws and policies of your country like unhinged to even compare those remotes I can go out and not wear a burka here there are countries I can go to where I will be stoned for doing the things I do here it's there's no comparison there is so obviously no comparison uh but thank you thank you for the $5 or $10 Elijah I appreciate that um Charlie I've been confused for years were you originally a boy based on an old video I did a video where I legally changed my gender in Ontario to male that was like oh my gosh it must have been 10 years ago now but no I started out as a woman Believe It or Not despite what the trans investigators will tell you I King salmonfish says peace and good luck with me always being right about predictions when you cool kids are always wrong and your rent physically overpowers you I'm not sure I totally understand that uh how can she Yap this much I am a Yap Queen a proper yapper I couldn't live stream I I'm I'm socially my social battery is drained though I am leaving in 5 minutes five minutes so if you have any last comments any any last comments in a video game any last words ah is this about immigration or Islam it's all of it the fact I don't know why everyone has so much of an issue accepting that like there can be multiple problems involved in one conversation like you realize Islam and immigration can both both cause problems they aren't necessarily intrinsically linked you can have Muslims that exist in your country that didn't immigrate you can also have immigrants like that are not Muslim that are problems like why is this so hard for people to process I I am truly baffled like it took I swear we spent like hours trying to explain this to loner box and peace go and Stephen like you can have multiple issues at once multiple issues at once that don't aren't aren't even linked to each other sometimes I know that's crazy but uh people can be mad about multiple things at once it is possible although those things tend to be linked to each other Islam and immigration but immigration causes issues outside of Islam as well look at that crazy I [Music] know Lauren is very feminine how can your mind lie to think she is masculine I posture myself very masculine I tried to Boom been in politics so long I'm pretty sure I like woman attacked the screen when Shawn and Sean was interrupting me though you can tell there are tells if you pay attention if you pay really close attention there are slight giveaways that I might be a woman I know it's hard um my brain still hurts from the stupidity most problems are ju toos of issues thank you Mustafa most people only care what affects them or their friends and family and this is why the media will never address workingclass issues ever they don't care um it's all manspreading and whatnot uh Faith Goldie question mark Lauren I haven't spoken to her in years hope she's doing well Elijah for five dollar thank you do you think perhaps gender reassignment surgery is a violation of the hypocracy even with adults it destroys perfectly healthy body parts yeah I do I mean to me um that kind of surgery I I don't know why I I've gone through a lot of the you know a lot of the studies around it oo I'm getting tired and there's there's really nothing definitive that says it is preventing suicides there's nothing definitive that's showing wow this is really saving lives so to destroy a perfectly healthy body um yeah I I do think that that is in contention with what doctors say they are supposed to be doing but then of course you have to take for I think that there are so many forms of dysmorphia look at women who get like massive breast surgeries look at people who get lots of appearance things there are people who try to look like lizards and get like implants put in their head I still think that stuff should be legal per se but it's the gaslighting in pretending that this is healthc care is where the problem comes in I don't think it is Healthcare it is a cosmetic thing I want to appear this way so I'm getting a surgery to appear this way it's not saving your life it's not making you healthier in any any which way right okay well I'm going to wrap this up and uh get back to summer I want to go for a swim very important to me I appreciate you all watching uh tuning in and be sure to hit subscribe if you're not subscribed because I will be posting on this channel more again I know I neglected this channel for like a year oops um but yeah here and tenant media is where you can find me I appreciate you all oh wait Stephanie are you pissed that more people didn't listen years ago which might have prevented this obviously that's what this whole thing was about that's why I'm so mad that's why I came and live streamed when I haven't live streamed in years I'm actually quite upset but you know all I can do is laugh all I can do is chat a little about it here and there ah and scream into the wall scream into the pillow cuz wow I don't think they ever are going to listen and I don't think I'm ever getting my little trophy of Vindicated no no they'll just keep calling me a racist so you just got to live with it you get to Yap about it why why does Lauren Yap so much I Yap to keep myself sane okay I I I at least earned a little bit of yapping about how I was right that's what I that's what I get that's the little medal I get anyways I appreciate you guys thank you oh one last little Super Chat came in speaking of transgenderism do you feel a vindicate about the Chris Tyson situation I mean I think everyone does I think everyone feels Vindicated about that situation all right all right bye everyone