Carolina Panthers vs Buffalo Bills Recap

n [Music] [Music] la [Music] Panther Nation what's good welcome back to two fans in the stands I am your favorite armchair GM CJ and y'all know what it is I am your favorite couch SC Destro there Tony what's happening What It Is What It Ain't I'mma tell you what it is God damn it we got a w [ __ ] what sh a I don't I don't care if it's pre-season I don't care if they play against the second stream I don't give a damn what I say the other night I wanted the damn win and the Panthers went out there and got a win all right so hey I'm I'm I'm Gucci I'm Gucci and we want and we wanted to see a score on the first drive preferably seven but I wouldn't have been mad at three but we got the seven so that hey one and done for Bryce yes sir hey okay and uh let me not let me make sure I do what I usually do okay everybody that's uh joining us now welcome if you're new please hit that like And subscribe button on your way in U make sure you check us out at all social media two fans in the stands and over on Twix that's a mixture of Twitter and X as we like to call it you can catch us at two fans I TS okay so let me go ahead and get into uh the comments from the people here real quick and then we'll talk about this game Earl how you doing what's up Mr Earl SC P plumber look good today I can't lie great to see Bryce and the starters get a drive in Canalis play calling looks a million times better than right hey you ain't telling nothing but the truth you ain't telling nothing but the truth comparing what we saw today to last year if this was Vanilla the vanilla last year was melted and they stepped all over that [ __ ] on the out the tunnel you know going on to the field I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry I know I know it's preseason but I'm saying if if if this is vanilla you you know what we saw last year was I don't even know I you can't disrespect vanilla like that cuz a lot of people like vanilla so hey hey last year last year was that square peg in the round hole fin you finally got to see a head coach adapt his scheme to the strength to the strength of his quarterback yeah Bry young was a RPO type quarterback when he was at Alabama that's what he flourished in you know that's what he knows so why not you know um design your play yeah design your play calling around his strength and we already know what happened last year with Frank right and now we're seeing the opposite of it now people can really say that Dave Canalis was a man of his word because one of the first things that he said was he wanted to build this offense around Bryce and do the things that Bryce is best at you know what I mean so we saw that first firstand today and like you said I don't care if it was against the second stream because technically we didn't have all our starts on the offensive line so yeah you you know hey and kudos to the offensive line man hey Tony me and you could have lined up on the defense out there and I still been like hey good [ __ ] fellas all right hey let me go to the hospital now but you know good [ __ ] yeah hey Miss Hy dor said what 31 points we ain't seen that in the regular or preseason in a while against ourselves or another team I how many points do we how points did we have against the Packers wasn't it um didn't we Packers it close to it was close to against the Packers and the Seattle game the Seattle game even though we lost that was game yeahp trying to get early retir do I don't I'm like everybody else I don't know what the hell happened but then like all of a sudden in the fourth quarter they talking about and I saw Joe person reported on Twitter because I had just okay so the young lady was interviewing Shaq and Josie jeel on the sideline right yeah and then you saw Eddie p uh you know kicking balls into the net then I like five minutes later I looked um on Twitter and Joe person was saying that Ed Panero got a hamr injur I was like when like when oh oh okay I missed all that I missed oh damn yeah he got a slight say he got a hamstring injury so hey hold on well well first let me uh b a shout out to you man we appreciate the Super Chat he said what's up fellas in chat thank you bamos and we got one more we got one more nerv $5 Super Chat thank you that didn't look super vanilla to me I saw a lot of interesting interesting shotgun formations pistol double pistol yes yes that that that was that was the exact opposite of uh of of vanilla that was the exact opposite okay all right bet bet bet hold on let me um let me go ahead and get our uh make sure I introduce him right this time let me go ahead and get our third fan in the stand in in in in the building here hold on let me see there we go all right oh hold on my bad everybody C douas what's up buddy boy look I'm G say this get that organ CA Tony definitely gonna be preaching today if you ain't never enjoyed a sermon on two fans in the stands the minister is in the building and and CJ gonna get the benediction so I'm here for the sermon today so go ahead and get the preacher boy I ain't got no Ser I ain't got no sermon today hey well you know what now hey hold on hold on I I'll take I'll take over today you know the assistant pastor will will uh will step up when the when the pastor ain't feeling up to his himself today you know I'll take over so hold on let me let me see all right if everybody would turn in your Panther Bibles to the page of the offense went down the field scored a touchdown and got their asses off the field without getting hurt let me get amen everybody is that Victorious 31-1 yeah yeah yeah no that no that's Victor that's V Victor victorious 31 uh let me see uh chapter 31 um oh God I forgot how to say dag on books of the Bible verse 19 yeah yeah yeah uh 31 Chapter 2 Verse [Music] 6 oh my God boy yo let me tell okay and first let let me say this to everybody as well too we do realize it's just a preseason game okay so you know it's it's still just a pre-season game it's it's one drive if we need to pass our hey he probably already live now he probably preaching on his channel as we speak he he probably live now so you know y look y'all have to deal with me you know my daddy was a deacon he still is a deacon so you know I learned a little bit in the church hey said that's a bag it's verse 26 yeah there you go yeah I'm sorry chapter 31 uh uh verse 26 there you go thank you making money I appreciate you hey CJ before before we continue repent repent hey before we continue fellas I'm because I know they laughing hey congratul Austin Corbin and his wife on having a baby I was I was definitely on Tony cuz Tony had me laughing he was like d I don't know how to feel I said Tony one person is dealing with a personal issue that he's getting resolved today and somebody else wife is in labor and I said okay cool I said hey I said we gonna be good we gonna be good let me let me let me just set the record all the way straight CU Doug halfway lying he ain't know nothing he didn't know nothing was in labor because that's not what he said and I got the receipts I'm on Twitter we got the receipts it's stamped it's stamped first of all let's be let's be clear when you when you messaged me earlier when you made that comment that was before anybody knew that Austin Cory wife was in labor and he had a baby yes it was no it's not because you talked about it this week Tony it's been public knowled that his wife was going to go on labor this week I didn't know that I didn't know know that I didn't know it is thank you you didn't know that you didn't know that okay so anyway the my whole thing was the offensive line as far as putting Bryce out there without the starting center and Damon Lewis so that's what I was tripping about I was like why we putting them out there and we don't have all the starters that that was my only R and I had said that all week Moody what's up this is the first time I'm able to catch a live show have to watch well we appreciate you how you doing how you doing thank you for joining us no I I don't but um hey but yeah thank thank you for joining us you know we usually go live two days a week but um you know I figured since um you know the game was at 1:00 today I sent him a message I was like hey you up you watching the game yeah I said you want to go live after yeah cool let's just get it but okay well let's go ahead and get get into the game over there it is 412 sorry my bad my bad you talking midnight okay go ahead CJ all right okay but um but but but let's get into the game okay so I'm G start with the first drive the first drive looked great okay Bryce young drove him straight down the field and a couple things I wanted to point out so every play wasn't Perfect all right there was one play where Bryce had to do a lot of moving and grooving and we're not saying that he's Michael Vic or you know or any of the super athletic quarterbacks in history but he showed you on that play he's able to escape a little bit of a little bit of pressure break a couple tackles you know he only gained a couple yards but he didn't take a sack okay and then there was another play where the pocket kind of broke down a little bit a little bit rice was able to escape you know off to his left and the thing that I like that he did the most when he threw that ball to Deontay Johnson he was running so he made sure that he turned and he got his upper half squared up and you know parallel to Deontay Johnson before he threw that ball so to me in my opinion this my opinion you can tell he has been working on his form his footwork and how he is doing things you know like Off Script you can tell they've working on a lot of Off Script stuff okay I did like that um on the touchdown you know I like that um I like sna the ball he took maybe one look and I got to go back and look at that play Matthews was just doing jumping jacks you know wait waiting to get the ball and Bryce SL so he he he he was wide open wide open so um what do y think about that first drive CJ I would say that the route that Deontay Johnson ran did you see the route that he ran that's what impressed me more than the throw the route the route he literally had to DB on skates he he kind of did like a post corner and when the DB tried to press up and brush up against him yes yes Tony when I say that route was beautiful that route was beautiful yeah he stacked him lean him leaned into him and shot off shot off to the uh to the left and kept him moving now I forgot moving I forgot who the receiver was that was out there with him was that Ley somebody Dove like they was going to catch the ball but Deontay caught it is isier Legette but I'mma go the same that CJ talking about y' both talking about the same plays where Bryce young squ andit okay all right yeah I was I would say this and I was messing with because but I told what's up buddy sorry y'all that's my homeboy Eddie from back home what's going on man what's upie no you just yelled I'm like I'm like what I miss because I'm driving I would say this Tony and I were talking the beginning I said Tony one thing that people don't understand is when Damen Lewis was out Austin I mean Austin chayon zala was doing good at guard and that's who came out as the starting guy with Damon Lewis not being in and absolutely phenomenal everything that we saw in the joint practice everything that we saw in the joint practice is exactly what we saw on that first drive and for all the Bryce haters if they in this chat right now what you got to say now everything that everybody's been telling you guys wait and see when he gets a competent coach that actually wants him that can groom him and we actually get protection around Bryce Bryce didn't get hit not once yes he had to scramble with one thing that we saw with Bryce did earlier in the year is or last year was anytime he had pressure he would run immediately and not stay in the pocket Bryce stood in the pocket kept his footwork which one thing we all said needed to improve and stayed in the pocket and delivered balls wherever he needed to and it wasn't aired throws or it wasn't balls that were below where there were non- catchable every ball that he threw today was a catchable ball and he had he had presents in the pocket and definitely showed that look look I'm so excited look I look I'll say this I'm so I'm so glad hey preach I'm so glad that go ahead D go ahead no no I'm just saying I'm so glad that we finally no I'm just so glad that everybody can finally see again those naysayers saying Bryce went is can was was a vanilla offensive coordinator he wasn't the right coach what can you say now you scor 31 points as a team as a team not just first team offense but as a team in a preseason game like I said all the naysayers I need you to come to the front of the church and then we're gonna pray for you that's all I gotta say yeah yeah with you that Prime I put the link in the chat just now I'm sorry I just saw your comment Prime I put the link in the chat okay okay let me let me step to the side in the pull pit let the bishop in hey but no uh seriously um the what you were saying earlier about standing in the pocket to me that was the most impressive thing about Bryce tonight that he stayed in the pocket and he didn't Panic too often and and when he had time and when you when when it looked like the play may have broke down or something like that those guys gave him good protection he stayed in the pocket and he was delivering strikes you know what I'm saying that's what you want to see you want to see that he has time to where with things start breaking breaking down um on on the outside that he has time to step up into the pocket and uh you know complete complete his throws or extend plays or things like that so I was more impressed about what he did in the pocket than what he did out the pocket to be honest okay all right facts facts facts you know for me you just don't go ahead oh I was gonna say real quick hey uh Tip Drill will appreciate the $5 Super Chat appreciate app appreciate oh and hold on real quick y'all oh I'm sorry fell play caller in execution were in sync today yes they were yes sir they were yes another one oh thank you nerv for another $5 Super Chat he said I'm a Bryce hater he looks good but I want to see him doing in real games consistently I think we all remember the Green Bay game then two shut outs yeah oh yeah that's that's a fact that that is an absolute fact you you are absolutely correct and um and hold on one second y'all let me um let me bring in you know what let me go to another scene here here hold on let me get everybody up on the stage real quick all right all right so let me see here you know Doug driving Doug driving the cab today the wifi ain't working too good he D the cab damn hey Pastor um let me see Panthers Pop podcast we got uh oh he got he got the book with him he got the book with him yes sir yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's time to preach it's it's time to preach is that is that the king is that the king Panther version well yes sir W say it say and on this day Bryce young became king brght and everybody who hated on him bowed down and said yeah PPP two fans in the stands and see dou you was right amen that's what it says boy boy hey look boy hold on wait wait thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank oh God what's going on how you doing man hey man I'm doing good man tell us tell us what you thought about the game and but start with that first drive what did you think about that first drive with uh Bryce in the um in the ones yeah man the only thing I can say is protection protection protection uh um Bryce young had time in the pocket and this is the one thing that I said this year um if you give Bryce young time in the pocket great things will happen and the only two games that I can reference was the Atlanta game and also the Green Bay game where he had time to put together a drive to get us in the field goal range and people were people kept saying well PPP that's only two that's only two games only two games but the one thing you could take away from the two games is the common factor he had time in the pocket he was able to scan the look at his re get the ball out and that's what you want from your quarterback so uh I would say protection the other thing man Poise I mean listen there you go M I watched that drive multiple times and and let me let me talk about the new guy we got Robert hunt big wall I mean I watched him on that drive he held concrete body bans yeah man held the guy right there man and and you know I know people gonna say oh p it's it's it's the twos and I mean it was some starters out there but it was twos man and listen man hey Prim can can can can I can I interject to to to help you with that point right there let me read the Super Chat first hey ner thank you again for another $5 I think most Bryce haters would just become regular fans if he proves everyone wrong either that or disappear I guess well you know we hope y'all disappear you know we hey we we love the good and the bad but um what I was going to say PPP when you talking about uh versus the ones in the twos my thing is this okay my thing is this the panther starters went out against the bill second I got to show this I got you this CJ I got you he said through it hey well hey hey you know what said go going through it on black he shout shout shout out to my boys over there I love them to death over there man I love them to death a lot of Panther content creators going through it right now man you know it's it's almost like this we gonna talk about little bible again it's almost like this you know the Bible says in Deuteronomy chap 6 verse4 that here oh Israel the Lord our God is one Lord yet you have the trinitarian doctrine that says that there's three gods and the people the Pharisees and the Sadducees could understand how God could be on in Heaven and Earth at the same time they can't understand how Bryce young is doing what he doing right now one year removed from a 2 and5 season they can't ponder it they need to get understanding and guess what my brothers we have the understanding here why because we was at training camp so we got the understanding God I I've got to put the organ sound in here some at some point I I I got to put the organ sound here at some point but but yeah hey but but to add on to add on to what you was talking about though everybody was talking about you know they going against the twos but my thing is what should that number one off what should I number number on do against Buffalo's number twos they did exactly what they should have done they took the drive they took it straight down the damn field and went in the end zone I mean mind you it took a fourth down to get there but hell hey they got it done so but yeah man Bryce was 6 fo eight for 70 yards and one touchdown on that drive yeah you know what I'm saying and but you know I I guess for most post I know for most Panther fans I say for all Panther fans the one one thing that they wanted to see was what type of play calling was going to be um used with Bryce on the field like we seen play calling with you know the backups and everybody else through the preseason but what was it going to look like with Bryce in the game and hey man listen I think i' if I'm not mistaken I think I saw some things today from Dave Canales that I didn't even see on some of the tape that I went back in watch of him and Tempa last year like I I actually believe that I saw some of that Alabama offense the RPO system that he that Bryce ran in Alabama I saw some of that today and brother let me tell you something it looked good Bryce look conf confident he looked um cool Under Pressure he looked like he knew that offense and had it down packed he just looked real comfortable out there and given the fact that he didn't have his not not only his first stream Center but the second stram Center didn't having starting left guard had chel zala which he probably still have a little PTSD when chanler zala was in there last year but to his credit like we said to his credit he stepped into the plate man and held his own so everything that you guys have witnessed through uh uh training camp and you know doing the joint practices and stuff we actually saw it you know well me for me I actually saw it Live In Living Color in this preseason game so hey hat off to the offensive line the backups even some of the guys that came in like ik bodager uh but however you say his name I think he's going to make the roster number 67 I think that's his number hey uh Andrew rain look pretty good at the center position I I gotta give him prop so yeah so hey man so yeah these Cuts these Cuts ain't gonna be easy these cuts are not gonna be easy hey and real quick hey ner as again man thank you for another $5 Super Chat it said the bills number twos probably aren't scrubs they're perennial playoff team yeah you got to take that into consideration as well appreciate that what's going on big dog how you doing yes thank you appreci he but um go ahead I'm I'm say this real Qui then I got to go but man I'm not going to lie this right here was actually what the Panthers needed uh I'm not going to lie Jack plumber looked good as well but I think just about to say that Jack plumber look good bad as I don't want to say it yeah he looked good today but guess what I think this was a spark from Bryce young um because what plumber could not do in seven quarters Bryce young did in one series putting a 70 yard touchdown drive together what a fourth down conversion and that momentum carried over into the plumber series it was a little slow start a couple High balls you know but for the most part he did his thing Jaylen Coker I think he solidified on this team man as a as the last wide receiver to get in man I'm not not too sure what's up with um Amir Smith Mar said in his injury I think he did come back into the um onto the sideline after leaving for he came on sine but he didn't come back in the game CU took away he got roll got rolled up on the and TMJ looked like he was being walked to the concussion protocol tent right right right so so all in all the one thing that I want to see was us perform well and then come out of here with no injuries and I think we I think we did that I think we did that for the most part so I'm grateful but guys gotta go thank you so much for letting me come on man absolutely big do absolutely man yeah but um but yeah man hey look at uh look at what's up Jones He said Ram making the 53 I would not be mad at Andrew Ram making the 53 because like I said like I said we got Austin Corbin and you know and I didn't know that um he was um the center for the Rams the year they won the Super Bowl in the preseason but then somebody else came back off of uh Corbett off of Corbett yeah he said that in one of them interviews he said he was he was going into um that year you know playing Center in preseason somebody else came back he moved back in guard but even still though I feel better with Andrew Ram as the backup right now than I would you know because K May didn't play K I think K May K ma might be in Risk at risk of not making the the roster in general okay he he he he just might be so and I think he's hurt and then I think Brady Christensen would be the backup so you know like I said if they keep Ram I'm not mad at it go ahead Tony no not to cut you off but I want say we we G know we definitely goingon to get into those roster cuts and stuff like that to to tomorrow so I don't want to talk too much about about it today but tonight hey it it was a good look it was a good look it was a good warm up uh for the first pre for the first regular season game which is two weeks away so those guys still got another uh two weeks to um tighten down on some things these new guys that's going to come in that they're probably G to claim a few guys off waivers they going they going to have time to get acclimated to the team to the scheme you know whether it's offensively or defensively and uh yeah yeah so you know hey it just um I saw some things to today that I didn't see in the first game I missed the second game but uh tonight hey it gave me um it it made me a little excited I I ain't going to lie especially that first drive that that was the most important thing I wanted to see how Bryce was going to operate in this offense and then once I realized that they was running a RPO style offense I was like oh okay so he taking Bryce basically back to college yeah and not re and not Reinventing him but just um polishing him you know what I'm saying and throwing more wrinkles throwing more wrinkles into the Arsenal go ahead but I was just saying like if you look at some of the formations you had four wide you know they went tight formation it it it was just it was it was just different I can't wait to um to look at the uh the all 22 because my my my dumb ass didn't realize that the NFL had put the all 22 out for the preseason games because I promise you I would I yeah did did not realize that until yesterday because I promise you I would have done a couple videos with some all 22 film by now because I know last year it was just just the replays and that was it there was no all 22 film but I think I definitely may do something um this week coming up and we'll take a look a yeah we'll take take a look back at some of them formations you know we can compare it you know to to to this year you know versus last year and whatnot but um I did want to go back to Jeff R's comment he said a lot of people don't realize the bills were playing some of their starters on defense the first two series that Bryce moved that ball no problem yep yep yeah football vers showcase Sam py one target one catch wish we could have seen more yes I I do I wish I wish we could have seen more hoping go ahead go ahead CJ my bad go ahead no go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead no I was gonna say I was hoping that we was gonna see him at the start of the second half you know I kind of I kind of didn't think he was gonna get in there in the first half but at least the start of the second half but we didn't see him until the fourth quarter and um he did have that one um I think it was like five or 10 yard out on the sideline you know he kind of CAU like on his hip but um yeah so very least very least I hope he does clear waivers and I hope the Panthers can bring him back but if he doesn't clear waivers and he's picked up by another team hey Sam we wish you all the best just like we wish everybody else if you don't make the team we wish you the best we hope you get picked up by somebody or still have opportunity but I if if he does get cut cut I would love for him to make it back to the Panthers practice squad and um and red species said come on bro plumber didn't play with the ones the first two games gota put it into perspective yeah no we we we we gave plumber his uh we giv him his flowers today he he looked good today yeah yeah he he he look good today he look he he he show a hard time over there no he he shows some flashes because I mean if like you said if we want to put in perspective we going we want to keep it real they some throws that you would have lost your mind if we was playing against the ones those would easily have been interceptions easily you know what I'm saying there was one where he should have threw put a little bit more air on the ball when he tried to hit ter TMJ in the end zone and uh the cornerback for Buffalo the ball went through his hands you know what I'm saying but yes putting in perspective he he doesn't he doesn't decide um who he goes up against so so what he did put on tape today was better than I thought he was going to do to be honest I'm going to keep it all the way real with you so yeah I thought he played better than what I expected but that that's as far as I'm willing to go with on that hey but and I would I would say this too and I would uh give try and give Plum a little bit more credit I don't think the Playbook was as you know open to him as it was today as well too I you know I I don't I we this is from my perspective I don't think we saw all of this in the first two preseason games now mind you the first half of the New England game was in the rain okay but I do think that they actually open the Playbook up a little bit more today I mean shoot um and then I was going to say look at Jaylen Koka but hell Jaylen coka just ran the damn go route let me say he made a stud step pushed my man hand down and took the hell off and I was like technique perfect technique perfect technique yeah maros cash what's going on how you doing what up Marcos Dylan said we beating the Saints week one hey you know hey hey pump p pump your braks pump pump your brakes pump your brakes pump your brakes okay you know hey it's we we I I I think we have a reason to have a little bit of Hope but you know I will I will talk my [ __ ] about the Saints if and when we beat them okay but but I feel you Dylan I feel you I feel you Ro Jones said my dog EXL better hit the jug machine man let me tell hold on okay so I may have missed a couple plays I was I was in the house and I was coming out here and I had to do something but did he get more than one target cuz the one target I saw hit him right in the hand dropped it one okay and and that was it that was it that that that was a big disappointment dog that's a big disappointment when you watch all throughout training camp and you know joint practices and stuff like that is um you know the ball hitting him in his hand he's snagging the ball out the air you know stuff like that and then in the game time situation you that that's what you do yeah I was disappoint even though it was one catch I mean one target yeah I I was I was disappointed in that yeah um PTO money said I like the tight ends making plays I think Bryce is going to cook with Johnson D and uh hubber I like Legette Marshall and Coker as big body wide receivers shoot uh Jasper uh jper horon was our leading receiver two catches 63 yards and right behind him was Jaylen Coker three for 55 in a touchdown and then um and then we had terce Marshall you know who kind of had uh kind of had his own drive you know basically got those three catches and um I love the uh the the the move that he made on the touchdown he caught the ball and it was almost like he gave my man the shoulder to the outside and then Twisted went back in yeah inside broke another tackle and then you know then tumbled into the end zone so I I like I like that as well and you know mind you and and again we're going to have our roster prediction show tomorrow at 3 p.m. um if y'all haven't heard yet um come over here and join us Dave from PMP uh Ben and Eric from the keep purring podcast I got that right today Tony and we're going to have uh Ryan Smith uh from uh the Vault okay they're gonna join us tomorrow at uh at 3 o'clock we G to do our uh roster predictions then but okay so now not to give anything away but do you think who who do you think today um who who do you think stock went up today as far as as as being able to make the team and let's just let's let's stick on the offensive side of the ball for right now who who who you think stock went up I think TMJ stock went up um because I know that there would there's a lot of people that that are like 5050 when it comes to uh TMJ me personally I'm I'm a TMJ fans and I'm glad that he is getting the opportunity now you know to to show what he can do and we also keep in mind too this is a contract year for him so hey it it's it's um it it's it's it's all or nothing for him uh Jordan Matthews the tight end I think his stock has gone up oh I can't say what I want to say I say that for tomorrow but yeah I think Jord stock is definitely up um Andrew rain the center yeah the center I think his stock um actually went up just from what I saw today like I said I haven't really caught I didn't catch the last game and I don't know what he's been doing uh during preseason the camp uh CJ you you've been there you've watched but what I saw from him today in uh in um in game action I like what I saw okay out there with with the ones that's a lie never but um who else um yeah that that that's all I could think of right right now that's that's I think chanice ofala solidify him a spot on the roster okay um yeah that that's all I could think of right now who who you think CJ uh let me tell you I think that um that wide receiver room is is we we going to be sitting on penss and needles waiting on that one but um now Coker looked good I think Jaylen Coker looked good um he only had a couple catches but it's that it's that one route for me okay now I don't know the stats on that Defender and I know he was probably second or third string but you know I don't remember coker's 40 time uh from the combine or did if he did 40 the combine but I don't I don't think it was I don't think it was Blazing fast but he gave that man a move and and ran right past him ran right that was just technique that was just technique he beat him with technique I also say I also say um uh Jack plumber I also say his stock is up too now mind you they're probably Gonna Keep two quarterbacks Bryson Andy Dalton but we still have that emergency quarterback if I'm not mistaken that emergency quarterback that we can have doesn't count against the 53 man roster both starting quarterbacks have to be hurt before he can get into the game and then if one of the starting quarterbacks is able to return they have to uh leave immediately so you know I I do think his stock went up as far as that and Marcos cash I like to comment here he said linebacker coach Peter Hansen called the defense the first half and defensive pass game coordinator Jonathan coie called the defense in the second half OC Brad is it called the offense in the second half okay gotta okay gotta gotta gotta gotta gotcha all right but yeah um ho ho you see what Doug just put out there t just reported via Panthers wow oh hey he well let me tell you things about to get Saucy real quick let talk talk about it Tom talk about it talk about it that they okay so with TMJ there was two things that could happen he could be like a this he could this this preseason could have been the audition for 31 other teams like like that's something that we always talk about is basically the preseason is used a lot for auditioning for 31 other teams when you're talking about the third string fourth stream players undrafted free agents uh guys that's on The Fringe of making the team you know especially if they're in the last year that contract looking for a better opportunity elsewhere you always put on for other teams you always building your resume for the teams so in a in an instance this could be a case where even though we see or that we think that TMJ stock has risen it may have risen to the point to where you may actually can trade him and get something for him instead you know instead of just cut getting nothing you know what I'm saying somebody somebody calls Carolina offer them fifth sixth or seventh round pick for TMJ why not take it hey hey and and and welcome Nick how how you doing big dog what's going on what's up brother what's up how y'all doing man just came in you know show y some love I I saw you mention that the other night on uh on uh on uh I forgot who live I tapped into you was talking oh no PPP I was like oh Nick veteran too so yeah me too my guy service I met I met Nick for the first time over on 704 Charlotte bound show the other night yeah okay they um they they tried to paint you as the uh what is uh what the the brist you know to I've officially killed the name Bryce seexual because um q q and more black cat shout out to q and them again they called me a bryces after I got off the live one day and I can't even lie when I went back and watched it I was at work I fell out of my chair laughing I was like you know what I said that's funny as hell but um but but Nick before I'm G get your thought in in in a second but Tony remember the other live we had I think it was early this week remember when I said something about TMJ like if you know he continues his success like he had in the um joint practice and somebody calls and says hey you know we get such and such and so and so you know do you take it but in another breath that this may have been the plan the whole time you know they could have been talking like what look here dude you know we this is what we going to do if you go out there and you shine maybe we can trade you get something for you and that's just me throwing a wild assumption out there but Nick go ahead brother man Nick Nick call [ __ ] look no no no no no no no I'm not um I ain't gonna call the [ __ ] on that man I mean t TMJ came out there he was showing himself a little bit out here um I was actually laughing at your chat talking about uh talking about I got the grown grown man version of of of Tony's beard yeah messing with me oh it's almost it's almost one o'clock in the morning where I'm at man I'm G look how hey shout shout out shout out to both of y'all because I'm just gonna sit back on that one not say [ __ ] go ahead Nick go ahead but yeah man so um one obviously I look I like the way that Bryce looked out there Bryce did look a little uh he looked more comfortable in the pocket than he did last year that's I can say that I ain't going to say he was I Ain G to say that uh it was a great showing obviously it's not enough to say that he's he's doing better but uh he did look well well more comfortable and he uh Jack actually looked like Jack got him himself a job BR I mean they the end of the day um uh Andy might might want to check his pockets in a little while yeah like he was trying to take that man's job man that's a stress that's a stress right there N I think but but you know what he he finally showed something he played like he had something on the line and that something on the line was his damn job he was slinging it hey that's that's enough to get him on the practice squad that not enough to make him qb2 I don't know so look I don't think um I don't know how y'all's philosophy is about this whole practice squad thing I think that the way that they have changed the rules I don't think he goes to the practice squad I think he might stay up what is I think is Q qb3 the third quarterback is a practice squad player but you can call him up each game as an emergency quarterback and he won't count against the 53 B roster unless okay Andy dton go down is it a protected is it a protected is it a protected position though ah that I'm not sure that is that's the issue for me right now because Jake did show a little Jake showed a lot more than some of these other backups did this this uh Dr so um I don't know if it's a safe safe um issue to put him on the put him on the uh on the what you call unless it's a protected if it's a protected because there's four there's four protected slots if they gonna put him on one of four protector slots then okay but um I actually like the way that Jake played um I'm glad we got out of there with no injuries cuz uh you know people would have been coming people would have been coming for uh Canal's head if he if if somebody had got hurt um yeah so that was one thing I'm glad that we got out of there with and then I'm glad that uh I mean I'm glad it just I'm glad Bryce look comfortable in the pocket all right he he did get out of there one time but when he got out of there he got out of there with a plan yeah yeah yes he did but and uh who was it um who was it uh Steve Smith mentioned and he was like he said Bryce stepped back in the pocket and he was like okay one two 3 going through all his re he had time to get through his re and if it wasn't there if it wasn't there then he had um he he he he would he could then formulate another plan you know what one thing I did see that he did not one thing I did see he did not my bad hey Doug you can hear me man you reverbing do we hearing ourselves okay he gone yeah so one thing I did see is that he um you saw when he evacuated the pocket you saw he keep his head his head down the field he he kept his head his head down the field he was he was waiting to strike rather than trying to uh just get out just get out the pocket y w what's up big what up man how you doing brother I'm doing good man what's up now Nick that's another fell veteran right there of ours where at he in Germany right now right now what part V Biden okay yeah we our last time the last time there we was in stugart okay about two hours away should I should I just leave here my my you know I'm I feel like I'm the I'm the square peg in round hole now so just let hey man hey we cool with the normal people too where he go oh he n man what's going on W ain't nothing to it man enjoyed the game you know surprising I was I we look like a confident football team I was like okay that that's what I'm talking about we be a confident football team this whole season I'm happy with the season what what did you think what did you think about that first drive with uh bright he looked pretty comfortable it just I think he needs to uh speed up his clock a little bit though cause if you playing against Wars uh the hesitation he has going to it's going to it's going to haunt us but other than that it looked good the play the play design was good uh the blocking was good I I you know other than him speeding his clock up a little bit that's it okay W you just couldn't give them straight props and and and uh and let it be could you you know you w had to come in here with the um um am I hey look hold on W got that classic stand he leaning on the C like hey there youngster let uh let first of all Let Let me let me tell you something that uh young whipper snapper you roll for that you roll for that I'm sorry I'm sorry oh God hey look look look W right you got to speed that clock up and then um I did I'm G say look I like the way that the pocket develop icky took his man out around around him so yes so even I'm not even looking for I everybody don't realize man iy ain't G iy does not have to be perfect iy just needs to make he if he can force his person to go around him instead of going because his inside is the the ho yeah but but you know what though and I will add on to that Nick I will say this too last year and I always tell people iy caught a lot of flat okay I think Taylor Molton was you know probably a few seconds away on a lot of plays from Catching the same Flack because if you look at it iy's man would get there about a half a second before M man and then you see this what what's supposed to be our guards and Center you know therefore four Ys past their their Defenders that are in Bryce's face so he has nowhere to step up into and and I think somebody got at me about that one time and I was like let me tell you I said it was it was just the fact that on a lot of plays iy let his guy get past him quicker than Molt's guy because they damn near showed up back there at the same time it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't just icky but the issue is this I try to tell people man if you don't know shorter quarterbacks Thrive if the inside of the pocket is clean there you go say it again say it again because they do the shorter quarterback strive if the if the inside pocket is clean I was like man did you the the issue is was it the fact that our I was like you may think that iy was bad iy did give up a lot of sacks last year but iy wasn't as bad as what you would have he would have if the inside of our pocket had been good what he did would have been more than acceptable because because Bryce would have at least been able to give him the opportunity to push the dude push the dude around him so he could go so he could step up and exit the pocket in between him and the uh guard because a lot of times he was doing that but Bryce by the time he got to the point where he was pushing his man trying to push him down hell Bryce was standing right there all man had to do was reach up and grab him yeah I mean it's it's people are gonna have to people are one we gonna have to be we can't have too many overreactions this year because it's not going to be if you think it is going to be a season where we're going to come out here and he going to blow teams out and all that kind of stuff it's not it's not that season man we we need to as a fan base we need to evaluate the way that Bryce is going to play is he gonna is he gonna be a player that we can work with or is he gonna be a player that that we gotta hey we hey we gotta get rid of this next year but but that's but you gotta give him the opportunity to grow into that man I just don't wanna I don't want to like I tell people I'm not for Bryce I'm not against Bryce I just don't give up on a player one in one year come on now man that dude hey look look tell the tell the in this look for all of y'all this this veterans y'all know as well as I know do y'all want to go with go to war with some trash leadership no no Ain No Such Thing do we want to I ain't going there you go I got you I take you step to the side I got you don't nobody want don't nobody want to go out there go outside the wire with the dude who's one scared either scared the dude who wants to shoot somebody oh no or the dude who just or the dude who just can't make no decisions himself man and I was like man y'all got to you gotta realize Bryce went into live a live fire exercise with a uh I mean I mean it was a show it was a circus yeah yeah but I'm off come with let let me get let me get position come on Wy come on all right so some of that though we talked about this uh a few you know when I was on the show last some of that though with iy you got to see who you playing with and you see the guy push if you actually watch the film when son Sam Donald was there I had the same problem he ain't got no foot speed he would push the guy up the fi the problem I had with Bryce was and the guards were you're right he didn't have a lot to step up but when he did when he did have the opportunity to step up was like he was shell shot it's like he got too far I mean I guess he got hit too many times hey hey you you You' be sh shocked too if somebody hit your ass 62 times hey look M was M was told I was trying to tell these people go get off go look at all the go look at all of the steel photos the steel photos of three dudes coming up the center of the field not coming up the Saints game the Saints game I know exactly what game you talking about I was like he snapped the ball and there are two dudes in the backfield the moment he gets the ball in his hands so don't B like this hey Nick hold on one second hold on one second hey fnam I don't I don't think Nick was talking about Canalis and Morgan I think he was talking about Frank Wright with their bad leadership I don't think he's saying about canelas as Morgan I see I'm I'm not the about last year we talking about last yeah yeah last year fed n yeah yeah fed going off fed go hey fed n got to be a vet too yeah he got that PTSD going baby he like come on come on can't go back look at I say well he's chat going off boy hey it's cool man just I love the I I'm was I'm hoping right now even if I'm not g I'm not about to do it either some of these fans doing that some of these people who who are so far far with Bryce they like uh yeah wi 10 wins this year I was like I'm not with that like I'm not looking for a 10 win season I'm looking for a trajectory that is pointing upwards not a trajectory that is pointing down if he can make if he can deliver the oh look I've already gave this unpopular opinion several times Bryce if he is going to be good he is going to be a game manager he is not going to be a gamechanging quarterback everybody and and I and people get confused people get confused that I'm trying to disrespect this man what I'm trying to say is that this y'all are looking for these individuals that are like Patrick Mahomes and they don't come very often you looking for an individual that's like freaking Cam Newton that was a freak of nature because you look because you look if we actually look at it from when cam came in the league until we got Lamar Jackson who is now probably one of the most successful running quarterbacks in NFL history the like when that was a long time because you remember RG3 was in between there and what happened to him sent him right back home quick now let me ask you this Nick let me ask you this so um if Bryce can come out and be a a game manager this year do you think that there is a chance for him to evolve past a game manager or is that is that your ceiling for him I think he well everybody hates when you bring everybody hates when you bring Tom Tom Brady up into this what you call but at the end of the day Tom Brady wasn't somebody who changed the game for you Tom Brady was somebody who delivered the ball to somebody to the to the guys on time every single time in with with some trajectory on it that's all I'm G say about it I'm not saying it to but Tom Brady at the end of the day if you look at it if you look at it from the point of the way that cam pointed uh painted it Tom Tom Brady is an elite game manager oh elite elite game manager okay you heard that I'm GNA mute my mic and let y have this yeah yeah yeah go ahead and turn this off so when they clip this they ain't gonna see my face oh boy hey that's that's a statement right there do I got a question hey CJ hey have y'all talked about TMJ I don't know if you saw my mess here we go you come over here with this with this with this TMJ TMJ thing TMJ might TMJ might be on a package on the way out the door on no hold on if the Panthers said it why is it a thing if the Panthers came out and said that he on the trade block look they officially let everybody know yeah Joe Pon and all those guys have been reporting on nothing I said the Panthers are putting on the trade block te unfortunately we have a problem that we didn't have last year we have a problem we got a crowded wide receiver room what don't yeah we got some we got some rookies that stepped up Jaylen kroer uh we had we got yeah kroer uh Mingo stepped up TMJ stepped up uh then you got to look at the the ones we know going to stay we know Legette going to stay there we know thel's going to stay there we know Johnson gonna stay there yeah yeah hey let me let me ask y'all this though let me ask y'all this now we have a crowded wide receiver room but how confident are are y'all that the Panthers will keep the right receivers oh well I was GNA say this it's a good problem to have because you have the number one waiver wire claim and anybody get cut yeah and shout out to CJ an Tony they gonna talk about the 53 man roster on tomorrow literally the work Starts Now we talking about tomorrow not tomorrow Mond look look at you ni you throwing my thought you throwing my train of thought off man yeah look what I'm saying is Dan Morgan has already started making calls now before the game ended and now with the reports coming out where it's actually reported that they're trading TMJ that was a report during the off season when he was killing it saying hey TMJ might not make it then if you look at the this DN room this D room is not complete then you look at the corner room if there are certain Corners that come out they're going to look at Corners as well so it's a good problem to have that you had the number one claim spot for the waiver wire and then number two that you have good problems that you did not have for this roster for the past what four to five years okay I have a question now QJ you a fool for that one man appreciate the comment is but is TMJ the right receiver to trade I'm me personally MH yeah between him and Mingo get rid of Mingo they're the same player they're the same player I give you that they the same player but Mingo don't have the developmentj has glad you said that I wanna I wna rebut that one right there so I would I would 100% agree with you if Mingo didn't have three years left on his on his rookie contract that's another fact too that's a fact because the money the money if we keep TMJ if we keep TMJ right now next year we we either got to pay him or we gota let him walk that's a fact how but how but how much you talking about paying but then you also have to keep in mind too Emir Smith Mar got hurt tonight so a lot of me got know talking about yeah but with air Smith maret a lot of people were talking about talking about his value at on special teams where now that value is hurt so now you have opportunity to either now now you still look let me let me say it again now you looking at the opportunity of keeping Raheem black sh more now because that's your other only other true uh special teams threat in the kickoff or return game so I'm saying we now talking about coming back to the wide receivers I said a lot of people was talking about keeping Emir Smith maret because of his special team value well now he's hurt we don't know the severity of his in injury but he wasn't able to come back into the game these are roster Cuts these they don't have the luxury of you know making these Cuts did he get did he get up and walk off the field on his own he walked off the field can I just make this point and this is no this is no this is no say that Tony if you weren't at practice you didn't see this Black Shear didn't get any reps mik boom was getting put return reps and kickoff reps but Raheem blackshire was standing on the sideline so they experiment with players that's actually getting reps in the running back and and the um return game I understand that we want these one trip ponies where he can return kits but can he can he run the ball can he actually play wide receiver and do kickoff return that's where that's I mean that's the part that just irritates me as a Panther fan I mean well if boom was getting one time y finish your thought D finish your thought goad goad boom boom was getting kickoff and punt return reps at practice I seen it I seen it right beside him and not getting running back or kickoff return and Raheem black was standing right beside him the whole time during practice okay yeah it's weird that we ain't seen black sh in the game either thank yeah I mean that that's weird okay that's weird cool um uh what what boom getting it in practice pre-season joint practice whatever I'm going back I'm going off of what Raheem black year has done in a game last year right it doesn't matter res what I'm saying I'm not saying I'm right or wrong I'm going off his resume his resume that he was top three in the League last year in kickoff returns that's what I'm saying so I get y y'all want to say about who did what and training camp in practice I'm talking about what he did in 17 games last year as a starter with the Panthers not only in the kickoff return game he was the third running back and that's the point that I'm making Tony he hasn't what I'm saying is he he's more than a one- trick pony d That's what I'm saying only reason why I said he's a one-trick pony with this coaching staff is he hasn't done anything that's why I say he's a onetick pony in their mind again when you have two different coaching staffs and what's the one word that use Tony is scheme right we talk about sche on Wednesday he may not be the running back for this particular scheme yeah the issue is this too look at this the I I 100% now that you thought you said that I now I look at it like maybe maybe maybe Boone is gonna be that fourth guy but anyways we know that they're going to carry at least four running backs that is a people people keep saying they're going to carry three they are going to carry four because what you call is not what you call is not on the is is coming back this year Brooks is coming back this year's be on the pist he's gonna be on the pup list and he's gonna miss like four games but at the end of the day he's going to already have taken a 53 man slot because you cannot put that man on on the on the practice squad because that would be the dumbest move on the face of the planet you about Jonathan br br is not getting on again one thing that I love that Tony and are doing they're gonna talk about 53 man roster and even CJ pointed it out on Wednesday when you put players on the 53 man roster on the pup list it counts towards your 53 man so again you're gonna have you're gonna have trouba you're gonna have ma you're gonna have Mike boom again I will come on here first on Tuesday if Mike boom does not make it and Black Shear doesn't make it that doesn't make sense to me because again Black Shear didn't receive any snaps during training camp throughout training camp not even when I was there I had other people saying black sh ain't do nothing black sh's not on kickoff they had Mike Boone they had David Moore and had ISM black any reps at all yeah the issue is this too with looking at that from Doug from Doug looking at that thinking about it now is that even though Black Shear was clowned as the the third running back last year what did he really contribute to actually running the ball nothing absolutely nothing okay so y' y'all are saying the same thing that I'm saying even if okay take my and replace replace black sh with Mike what is what is what is Bo going contribute in running game as a running back this year we don't know because the scheme is different that's why I said the scheme is different if if if your coaches run the ball I hear you I I don't I don't even I don't even care what the geme is he would be the number three running back he would be behind chuber and Miles sander they are going to get the lion shares of the carries each and every every game it doesn't even matter what the scheme is he is the third stream running back so as a third stream running back whether you're Black Shear or whether you're um um boom you have to have kickoff experience you have to be able to do something besides run the ball and all I'm saying is Raheem blackshire has a resume of playing special teams that's all I'm saying that's all I'm saying you're right hey can I point just out two ton cuz I'm surprised you ain't got on them yet it's over 100 people watching and before I was having trouble getting in Dam got 50 likes man what are y'all doing it's not even 50 likes on YouTube hit that hit that like button for us gota step on that thing man it's free man again it's it's over 100 people in here over a 100 people in here at least get them to 60 likes hey look app watching on Twitter so if you would do hit that follow button it's free won't cost you anything so you always be aware whenever we go live and drop new content we will be going live again tomorrow talking about the 2024 Panthers predictions so tune in tomorrow at 3 o'clock for that as well and like see dou said uh hitting the Subscribe button and hitting the like button if you're on YouTube don't cost you a thing Twitter go to YouTube and YouTube go to Twitter what you say Nick I like that is it um what is it four o'clock on Monday they gotta have the cut down Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday at four o'clock yep Tuesday so they got two days to make all these decisions yes sir hey hey Tony a favor Tony can you refresh because I'm on I'm on the car I had to come to the car because I had no reception somebody said refresh it so where's it at now the lights are at on what oh 61 61 okay thank you thank you 61 appreciate everybody appreciate everybody look been this was a much easier process when they were doing it uh bit by bit but to go from at you I was reading that comment that's what I was laughing at my bad CJ Nick I'm totally sorry I'm totally sorry man I was laughing at that comment I'm on one tonight do you blame him though do you blame him because again everything that all these Bry haters now what can you say one thing for people that were at training camp say you don't need to see Bryce now everybody in shambles Bryce look decent so now oh we need to really figure out how many ones were in the game how many twos were in the game how many threes were in the game they're not going to give him credit he went down the field which he did not do in his first year with the Carolina Panthers last year and go down the field and score a touchdown in training Kamp people won't give him any credit it's always any criticism that they can give Bryce young they're going to give it to him and if you look at the progress that he had look at how it goes into year one to year two you see it we told you you see it in practice no man look look I'm so it just don't make sense though sense yeah dou come on I got something to say on what you on what you mean come on what hold on d i watch the game too Doug all I said is this and I said it when you went on here is the guy look decent but Pro but he was holding on the ball too long he was he was not W where pleas please explain where he held on to the ball too long okay we'll see you just made a comment today today at 512 tell me where he held the B on too long today hey hold on hold on while before you answer that Mr hunky dory appreciate the $5 superat he said I felt better about paying the uh $485 for sunny ticket on YouTube after today's performance hey that's fact M hunor appreciate all all I'm saying is this and and and there was like two or three play I'm trying to remember exactly plays CU so so are you talking about on the four on the fourth and three I'm trying to remember exactly I I really like way plumber played better but just me get the okay I'm done I'm done attacking me they attacking me because I said you've heard me say this multiple times multiple times the all I said is I am not talking trash about Bryce no Bryce is with Bryce's physical attributes in skills I've said you heard me say that he he will probably be at best a game manager and that's not me no problem I said that on y Channel when I said that what what did I say I said what is wrong with a game manager that gives you what did I say 250 yards I said 250 yards every game and two touchdowns you did the math for them you said du that's a 4,000 yard pass did you not say that yes and people think that I'm being disrespectful and I'm talking about him I'm not talking about him I'm saying I just want people to understand you are not going to have gamechanging play come out of every single draft and you're not in the the look with the success rate at quarterbacks being what it is being what it is in the first round for to get a gamechanging player is it's like a need don't hat that and then Nick hold on real quick can I point this out can you go back to that comment where Dopey not life said it's third teamers tell me the third teamers I'll wait and and if and if you point any third teamers out I would literally C you right now he played against ones and two on his first drive give me a third team that he played yeah dou though no the only n douge the only one what up fellas the only one that was out there possibly was Kum dou Nick itn't matter he didn't against third te no no he didn't go against third teamers he didn't go against third let me refr my comment again like I was talking to Dolby nighlife I said tell me a third teamer that he went against on that first drop he didn't go he didn't go against no third teamer he didn't go against no third teamer he went against strictly the backups second Team guys that was my comment yeah yeah no that's a fact the third stringers was Jack plumber in the second half he was going against the third stringers what's good though fellas how y'all doing what's good Nick how you do on the show Good look for letting me up Tony I know I know it's past midnight y'all I'm about to go back over here to my aun them house and kick it only thing I got to say is what else y'all got to complain about now everybody again y'all move the gold post y'all said car y'all said Bryce lovers move the gold post now y'all moving goal post when he goes down the first drive what y'all wanted to see and he scored a touchdown so what more goal post are y'all going to move for Bryce where he has to meet expectations for y'all now all I'm saying is this before you go don't jump out the window I'm not okay you coming in just as hot as the other guys you just don't realize it I'm in the middle I would say w the reason the reason why I say this is because everybody was saying and not you people said da Canal isn't a good coach da can scheme doesn't look any different than Frank Wright then people said oh um BR Bryce can't even you know Bryce won't go down and score a touchdown against two Bryce can't do this Bryce can't do that only thing that I said the only thing that I said that Bryce would look different is if it's footwork looks better and we protect him you're going to see a different Bryce young oh footwork definitely look good I stood on that even when you were up here while you remember that day you were in the park talking we talk about that footwork yeah that's the only thing that I'm standing on I'm not I told I'm deadline I'm definitely deadline but I'm saying you can't tell me you see the same price from his rookie year that you see of this year he improved he improved that's all I'm saying his I didn't wi seven games only thing I said is I definitely want to see him show a different Bry than what he did first improv that's all I said hey I'm confident in seven games douy confident in seven games I know that that may not sound like a lot but me as a Panther fan I'm only talking about me I'm looking at it realistically two to seven is a is a is an improvement in itself I'm gonna look and I'm gonna take that all day you know what I mean obviously if it if it's better God willingly I'll take that but you know I think we could win six seven games seven games is definitely attainable and then the year after is the boom year baby we coming I tell you this Tony trust it we coming guys Tony I owe you apology because I made fun of Eddie Eddie perro and I I would never say this man's name ever again I don't care if he wins a game-winning kick every game or give us three cut that man right now and I be respectful for words right now cut that man please don't get in the car started y'all don't get remember why I asked you on Clay Chan I said you got a fourth and three you kicking or you go for it we went for it right we scor the touchdown but then he field go and he gets hurt on the side of the on the side going kicking at the net so he he got hurt on on the extra point or was it the no he got hurt on the sideline kicking on the side oh oh no oh no where where where M at where's Ming bring back the thick of kicker I'll say it for you but CJ you remember what we said during that joint practice you SM walk asking people for autographs and you didn't K one kid one kid yep all right AB absolutely right Jesus yeah he he he he was he was skinning and grinning on the sideline he was walking up with uh Johnny Hecker and um and the uh and JJ Janson you know he was all out you know he just laughing and and grinning I'm sitting there like man take your butt out there and kicks the field goal though and that was after yeah that was after they they cut Harris and mevis and I'm like oh okay so he he you know he he he think he in there now I said all right bet well I guess he was because they they cut my man so we'll see he Ain cut by tomorrow I'll be mad if he's not cut by tomorrow he needs to be cut ASAP well let me ask y'all so because I'm about damn tired of talking about Bryce now what other positives do did y'all take away from the game let's go on the defense side of the ball what did y'all think about we got we got to do better with t hold on dou let let me get let me finish my question man you you you sent me a text earlier in capital letters relax I'm I'm about to send you that same text right back to you I tell you relax that I said Relax bro you all one it doesn't matter you typed the word I don't care what context it was in you said Relax saying I'm out all all I'm saying back to you bro just relax oh he gone wow he gone wow all right go ahead with your question Tony yeah so on the defensive side of the ball what did you guys see that was um a positive for Carolina me personally I didn't see too many positives tonight um those twos and threes especially at the quarterback positions was playing like dumpster juice trash um poor tackling taking poor angles um it it was it didn't look good to me on the defense side of the ball in the second down now I did like the play of the safeties um Nick Scott I like the play of um uh Jordan Fuller that you know I think one or two series that he did play but everybody else behind him like we got a lot of questions the answer when it comes to that secondary man what y'all think uh me me personally uh who who said it hold on somebody said um they need to be doing tackling drills Austin said defense needs tackling drills until uh Saints week I agree with that I I did not like um how easy that the the bills ran the ball against our you know but most of our first team defense well yeah our first team defensive line excluding uh CL L County I did not like the way they ran the ball down the field in that first drive but um but but yeah I mean um we we got a few more sacks DJ Johnson actually got some pressure got to the quarterback got him down um but other other than that you know they they they were pretty solid in the in the second half for a while they gave up um a couple scores late but um you know I I think evero will um I think evero will get him together you know his game play might have been a little more vanilla um than the offense this year what you think is Dick still there you see that Nick he look like he dropped off I see him there but I I had a problem I had to come back in go ahead W oh okay what you think buddy yeah so the the running game none of them really looked at good uh trba trouba did what he needed to do you know got his five yards carry he showed what he you know what he's about but the I don't know man the backups had a lot of you know carries but they didn't really if you look at the yards per carry wasn't good and and I understand boom been getting all the you know all the love but I would go black [ __ ] myself okay all right hey and real quick uh Will Robinson again man thank you for the $5 Super Chat he said number two positive our old line has some depth our line back and safety CS look good you know what we oh thank you for super chat again well I will say this too um there was one play by trevan Wallace when I say I think his future looks bright it was a um a swing pass to the running back and it looked like he read that play before that running back got that ball cuz as soon as that running back caught he beat the damn uh cornerback to him and made the tackle oh yeah yeah he got good instincts now he got good he he has good instincts and what that yeah and I hope that juwel and um and Thompson can stay healthy all year enough to you know Mentor him and guide him to where if he's called upon next year he'll be that much more ready to go now I do think if he does get thrust into it you know might take him a little bit time but I think he'd be all right yeah I think he's gonna become the starter someone's gonna get replaced oh this year or next year yes this year this year the kid's too good the kid's too good he just pops bro the kid just pops you know what I mean when you talk eye test this kid just pops bro he's just flying all over the place he's like a kamakazi on the field he's all over the place bro yeah but the one thing he he he he needs to learn how to um he needs to learn how to kind of control that too like you know like um like like luk kley Luke kley was all over the place but it's like he he had a plan before he took his next step you know I tell you one thing I tell you one thing bro I tell you one thing Trev Wallace wouldn't have dropped that interception Shaq had both his hands on early in the game that one where thought he only got one ball Kon the one where Kon almost picked off Shaq Shaq dropped that he hit him right in the hands both his hands Trevon Wallace makes that Play That's that to me was an important play because I look at that like Trevon comes away with that interception and turnovers are a major key you know what I mean that's not a good look for Shaq you sure I thought he I thought he was running and he got one hand on now look back at it Shaq Shaq was in the air he had both his hands on it and then he it it just came out and then cban almost made a that was almost a spectacular interception by him that was that would that was almost that was millimeters away from being incredible but um well yeah well I don't disagree with young man has talent is just I think a half a season of development then let him play be gone next year Trev you know Trev would have made that pick yeah we we'll see we'll see okay but yeah you know Shaq Shaq is injury prone too so what I was what I'm thinking is if if Shaq gets hurt again and Miss significant time and Trevon Wallace steps in his play and shows out I don't think shq G get that position back think he get that position back this is last year right yeah yeah yeah yeah this is last year for real either way gotta got you gotta gotta so so how do y'all feel about that cornerback position man I know the new guy that we just got from Seattle Micha Mike Jackson would you know didn't play tonight um it looks like he's potentially going to be cornerback to in place of Dane Jackson uh so what what what do y'all think about um DiCaprio bule and Deshawn Jameson how how those guys look to you tonight uh let me I'm g go first DiCaprio buo look booty yeah Bo look booty tonight that's how I feel about um you know um Jame Jameson def definitely needs to learn how to T hold on Nick hold on Nick uh desan Jameson didn't look good as well uh will Cox I don't know who that I can't remember who that is but he definitely didn't look good they signed last week yeah that there's there's there they're going to be there are going to be some guys that I believe that's going to hit that waiver wire and the Panthers are not finished um adding depth and turn it over the bottom half of that roster and hopefully we can get a a few diamonds in the roughs that can come in and uh contribute right away what y'all think I I agree with you I agree with you because uh the system is set up that the cornerbacks don't have to be that great but you need serviceable cornerbacks there you quarterbacks that are average and above you know at least average or above average you ain't got to be great so the defense can actually Thrive but what we currently have there going to be a lot of waiver wire pickups and some guys going to get released now the safety room the safety room looks good though yeah I like me I like me some Jordan Fuller yes sir Nick Scott is all right too yeah Nick Scott is definitely valid he's valid y so what you think Nick what you think about them quarterbacks you know that was my that was my one of my main Keys even going into the draft but I'm looking at it possibly how evero may be looking at it maybe I'm wrong I think JC is obviously the key because having that lock down Corner uh I was talking to Prime Panthers Prime about this shout out shout out Demetrius over there I was like if you have that corner that could lock down that 33% of the field now your defense only got to worry about 66.7% and it's a lot easier when you could when you could turn around at your number one corner and be like we're good on this third you feel me right which which when JC is out there we good on that third we're we're we're fine like like um the DB coach said we're good with rolling the coverage away from JC when he's on his side so that just gives more help for the defense so I think we have um good enough Talent you know you know Jameson definitely needs to learn how to tackle bro like that's just not acceptable but DiCaprio Bo is I'd have yeah he booty too bro he booty too like you got to go we do we do need I I would love I would love a Kell Witherspoon or Dory Jackson on our team bro like I think we need someone like one of those two cats in our in our secondary cuz I love I love the safeties I agree with y'all I love the safety situation with Nick Scott Fuller and Xavier Woods we'll be all right over there but we definitely need another Corner yeah we we got we got to hope and pray that um we gota hope and pray that JC stay healthy um Mike Jackson stay healthy and um Troy Hill stay healthy y hard on that what what what would be nice is a rapid progression from Shaw Smith Wade that would be nice you know what I mean if we can get a a nice development from him like we're getting out of Trevon Wallace that would be lovely hey can I say something I want to say something hey so I love that y'all just talked about JC love that love that right now I'm tell you right now my best analogy is for J for JC right now is JC is like a pit bull that's been on the leash for the last three years and what's been failing him is his body and everybody gonna say oh he injury prone breaking your bone does breaking bones is not injury prone that's just mean you got badass luck yeah and that was a freak injury Jeremy chin is the one who first Jeremy chin hit him first one second one the first one was a non Conta no no no the first one was non- contact that against that was a bad one that was non- contact the second one with chin that was chin who who [ __ ] him up just bad luck man and then last year I don't think people realize when you are a professional athlete and you are not able to work out the way that you've been working out for a long period of time and then you come back and you start getting back into it what what usually happens injuries soft tisue soft tissue injuries tisu yeah it's so it was bound body reacts differently to it exactly it it was bound to happen so at the end of the day I believe that now he is probably in the place of where he's been able to get back to his normal regime getting his body the way that he wants to get his body and if he's like everybody don't realize the reason Christian has gotten better is Christian decided to invest money in his body decided uh J JC said he did do that this this uh this off se he changed his diet his diet Incorporated some more you know different uh activities like more stretching and stuff like that he said weightlifting yeah no he said more weight hey and I'm telling these M right now all these people whove been talking trash about J I want to say this everybody who's been talking trash about J JC better than more than half of the cornerbacks in the NFL yeah right now we don't disagree don't disagree with you on that if he does if he doesn't get injured this year on the field top five when he's on the field there ain't that many better when he's on the field he's top five automatic hey everybody everybody like somebody told me the other day him and sa don't need to be talked in the same in the same sentence okay when when he's when he's when he's better than sauce y'all don't talk don't talk trash right okay right on okay on Wow all right [ __ ] right let me ask y'all this then how did how did y'all feel about JC horn not playing tonight I ain't had no problem with it I Ain had no problem with that man I Ain no problem with it all and I want to say this I had no problem with it what up uhuh uh Nick G I did want to say this and we was talking about injury prone now now I'm I'm going try to be a technic here now I had um I had seizure before okay so I had the first one and they were like okay we're going to see what's what but after I had that second one they had to go ahead and diagnose me with epilepsy so AC Horn got hurt once okay we let him slide he got HT he got hurt twice we have to take this okay let me stop I'm done I'm done that man but you had a you had a real you had a real disease that man I know I know I'm I'm I'm just being petty Nick I'm sorry these damn turf fields man these Turf oh my God oh my goodness man it was it's just I mean and then like you said horn hit him I mean uh chin hit him and then freaking then the when he stepped wrong because that's what broke his that's what broke his foot he stepped wrong in Dallas the Dallas game yeah on a turf field so at the end of the day man those he got bad he had bad luck with those and the other one was bound to happen because he wasn't able to perform the way that he would normally perform gotta um let me got now JC said that was in a podcast I'm tring what podcast on he said if we have been in a you know if we' have been winning he could have played it's just the coaches kept him out he could have played against that game huh yeah yeah with the broken with the broken wrist he could have played he would have played with he could have played he could he would play with a freaking big ass freaking C but but but you know what but but we were playing for the division possibly because if we would have won that game versus uh Tampa that year oh yeah you right that that was the year he broke his wrist it was in the um the lion was it the Lions game that Jeremy chin yeah Jeremy chin hit him and then we went to the next game against Tampa Bay went to the next game against Tampa Bay and CJ Henderson wet the bed against the entire defense Mike Evans CED but then we went to the next the last game of the season versus the Saints and we beat the Saints by three points and then I told them I told everybody what happens to Mike Evans when CJ horns on the field hey let me tell you what happen when J horn on the field J oh nothing let me tell let me tell you what happened week 18 four targets one catch that's what happened when you hey when you got somebody you can't push around like they little kid what happens when you got a grown man to be honest Mike Evans never FW against bigger cornerbacks remember when we had James Bradberry honestly in my opinion I think James Bradberry made his money off of Mike Evans Mike Evans off Mike Evans and off of Julio Jones big wide receivers um I'm sorry when mikee Evans play against bigger Corners he doesn't have as much success as he does against a smaller Corner Y and then the other thing about it is is too I keep telling these people they was like oh well if we gotta play wide receivers like uh like um old boy um I can't think his name right now heel Ty he you gotta I was like JC G gonna push the [ __ ] out of his ass right off the line like he I was like there's a difference between a when a dude that's 40 30 or 40 pounds like heavy than you puts their hands on you then when these these these cornerbacks are the same size as Tyreek Hill put their hands on him there's a difference I like I was like all of the cornerbacks that are successful against him press his ass on the line because if you let him catch the ball in the he's those those short everybody be like oh well you know you can let them catch the ball short right in front of you no he turns those into 20 30 yard games if if you let if you let Mike Evans stack you you can you about to have a bad day if he stack you he gonna do whatever in the hell he want to do he want on you whatever inside outside or over the top you can do about it yeah and that's why I mean I'm just telling y'all man I believe that we about to take JC off this leash and I think that wide receivers like Rick and Mike Evans going to be put on notice that hey hey you ain't about to do me like you was doing freaking all these other quarterbacks mik know what time it is he know what time it is with JC when he see eight when he see number eight lined up across from him he know what time it is yeah it a I don't know I can't wait hey I don't know what did y'all think about them talking about paying him what y'all think about talking about I actually think it's an actually a a ingenious idea I think I think they should go ahead and lock up their star players before Bryce young reach year four that makes sense too hey but look at this one look at this these people people were complaining talking about they shouldn't pay him because he hasn't been on the field but I'm telling you right now paying him right now will work in our favor rather than waiting till the end of this year when s Garder uh Patrick Caine uh he stays healthy MH who else who else there's like four or five cornerbacks that will be up for up for opportunity to get a contract this year and those are the types of fights you don't want to get in lock him down foray him now yeah I like yeah lock him down now because if you take that if you if you take that risk now right and you don't sign him now and he stays healthy and he balls out which we all know he would now he's going to ask for more money that's just that's just the way it goes you feel me and I can see so now especially if it's a heav incentive I could see where it's I could see if you sign him right now the Panthers can make it very heavily incentive based like if you play 85% of the games you'll get this amount of money but if you don't you'll get this amount of money you feel me like it's gonna be very like with playing time is gonna be definitely in that contract it has to be based on his injury history sure for sure Nick earlier right you slid you you you slid by my question my question was I'm going go back to it and you said the three-year contract right Mingo he's still under contract true statement however however if you look at both of those guys if you look at their uh College college Mingo had no numbers compared to uh to TMJ and if you look at the current NFL numbers and you look at catch again Mingo had more targets less yards why would you invest in something that doesn't you don't know that thing gonna actually develop but you got a guy that has developed you'll give that up just because no so this is the thing this not what I'm saying what I'm trying to say is this um there is a chance that one da uh Deontay Johnson could go out here and ball out of control this year there's a chance of that if we keep TMJ and he balls out of control what do we do with TMJ at the end of this year anyway oh that's tough that's tough that's a tough I'm saying you got even if you have to pay TMJ he's not gonna command he a lot of money command he's not gonna command top wide receiver money but do you want to have to try to pay two wide receivers at the same time i' rather do that than have somebody that you that don't develop I mean but we don't know but you but you got to realize we we've given terce Marshall four years how do we know that Ming one and a half one and a half first year remember he was hurt then got in the dogghouse for a year and a half then he had half a year playing then last year for whatever reason because we we draft to Mingo we we just put Mingo out there every time Terence had the opportunity he played better than Mingo but because those guys drafted them they kept putting them out there I got a bold prediction for you guys I got a real bold PR we go with this [ __ ] again terce Terrace Marshall will get traded before no bold prediction there ain't no bold prediction there ain't no bold prediction we said that earlier that's why Buffalo to the to the to the Buffalo Bills to the exact team we just played against no I think he gonna get we need do that G get traded to the bangal hell no he get tra to the I'mma tell you right now we do not need to trade him to a team that we have to play this year there you go facts Nick facts both of those teams you name both those team you name we have to play them this year no we don't gotta play Buffalo this year yes we do no we don't I'm pretty sure I saw buffalo on the schedule I'm about to look again no we don't hey well real quick Mr thanks for $5 Super Chat hey he says question what player deserves a contract but it's going to be forced out by a starter last year friendly favoritism or just pure need basis I don't understand that I'm guessing he's saying um what player do we think this year would deserve a contract well you know yeah like like any player in general or someone with like a new player we just said TM TMJ yeah I think it's TMJ because the simple fact is they got threeyear contract with with Mingo and they it's not like they're even the same guy God Mingo to me is stiffer he doesn't run a better route and yeah yeah Mingo run funny I don't know about y'all he run funny as hell yeah I know he don't he run you drafted the same guy but you you drafted a a lesser version of the guy you already had and I don't know why he he was a second round pick because if you look at it the guys that came after him all of them had better years and better numbers and they had the same number targets we can't blame out all on Bryce no that we got to bring you got to blame that on the look I'll be honest with you when they picked Mingo I had no clue why they picked Mingo Steve I mean at the end of the day I'mma say this right now at the end of the day there were there was the edge rusher still on the board that I that I said that they could have picked um was what there was linebacker on the board that they could have picked there was other wide receivers that I would have picked before Mingo hey nose tackle safety hey but you know what I'm gonna say this though to Mr hunky door's uh Super Chat thank you again Mr hunor but could TMJ be the only one that we can we could really do that with because a lot of people want to say um uh you know get rid of Miles Sanders and other positions like that but you know his if TMJ cont and is the contract is too friendly you get what I'm saying there might be some more people out there but if we you know they cut them that's more dead money that we gonna have to occur this year or incur so so look not hold on one second but not that much though C dat because he's only on he's on the last year of his rookie deal of a second round contract and I don't think he's making that much so even though I'm talking about somebody else I'm talking about somebody else yeah you can't miles Sanders is what $6 million running back you can't get rid of mil Sanders too much of a Dallas want him yes Dall if Dallas wants him and Dallas is willing to give us something that's worth worth us giving him because at the end of the day you got to realize we still take a cap hit even trading him true oh because everybody don't realize that any money that is fully guaranteed to him stays with team that is traded him correct the only thing that the that the Cowboys would pick up is his base salary correct that's all the CYS so at the end of the day you can go look at whatever his base salary it is his base salary might be two3 million they end up with a23 million do cap hit and we end up with the same with with all of that money that he was owed accelerated got so so everybody wants to say trade him do I next year is the year to get rid of him next year this year this year we take we take too much of a too much of a a hit to get rid of him so like I mean y'all might as well we might be stuck with I didn't understand the picking up of Miles Sanders in the first place I understood the only the reason that I did don't understand it is because in my eyes him and chuba are the same type of running back I'm not gonna say that I'm not gonna say what I'm trying to say is that they're the smaller frame running backs the dudes that will get you with one one or two cuts true no I'm G disagree with that yeah me and Tony think the same thing I disagree with that a little bit because I think Miles was a much shiftier back than chuba now chuba has gotten a little better but if you look at a lot of chuba's tape from his first couple years if the hole wasn't as wide as 85 you know he would he would not go through it he didn't have a cut back seen plent times where there was a cut back opportunity to the left or the right and CH was like the play's going this way boss I got I got to go that way you know so I I would say in that sense they're a little bit you know of of a different type of B I give you that I give you that but this is the thing about it is too who would you rather have because if chuba gets into the open field what usually happens he gone when miles get on the in the open field you got to still pray that a nobody got the angle on him yeah but TR with chu turn jet I I I have to push back cuz I have not seen chuba run away from anybody yet in NFL I have continuously consistently seen him get walked down so allst I know he ran track in high school was one of the fastest player coming out of out of Canada when he got to Oklahoma State but that speed that he had in Canada did not translate to United States CU I yeah okay I had think that one yeah hey you have noticed the people who people who walk him down already 20 yards down the field that ain't fair you can't n Nick n that's ain't nobody ain't nobody walked him down from a even a even oh you was on the line and you walk me down from behind me and you tell me that cornerbacks have walked him down I ain't gonna lie to you cornerbacks have walked him down you remember that game last year in Detroit yeah where him where him and uh Deontay Foreman both was going off yeah and and how many runs did he break against Detroit and how many did he score how many scores how many how many times did he score breaking the line of scrimmage and when nobody touching them nobody touched I don't know listen listen listen this is what I say though this is what I'm G tell you right now we should have kept Deontay foran goam you not going to get no disagre age with you AG those were that was a good compliment of I'mma run you over yes and I'mma get in the out because you know what them dudes them dudes that you load last year if you had Deontay Foreman loading Bo loading the box would have still been a business decision against Deontay Foreman because he will run you over them third and four shorts yes quiet as kept he bigger than chuber and miles and he got better feet than both of them in my opion I just I was going to say which which is why I was you know I was mad when we got rid of Dylan Johnson because I was like okay you know maybe we you know we tried to keep him if he a't make the brost maybe we keep him on the practice squad anybody just he's a free agent I get you I get you I get you that was that was the issue with Dylan Johnson Dylan Johnson was when they saw him on that and score that other game they was like oh yeah we got we might as well just go ahead and count this one as a loss because they wanted to keep him in my mind I'm Dave Canales I'm Dave Canales right now in my mind I want to keep him but I know if I cut him to try to put him on uh on the practice squad somebody gonna pick him uplan got Johnson got hurt I don't remember that I'm here about that I know he cleared waivers and he was a free agent I thought where did you hear that at Adrian I'll be I'll be um interested in to know that because I I don't think the Panthers um uh put anything out that he got hurt see injured let me say that injured hey well you know what I say this has been a great live fellas I said we gonna go ahead and get it off we got two uh gentlemen on our left here who are uh I see one at the bottom down there that's yawning I know it is late over there where they are at so uh you know we going to respect our elders today yeah but u 11 in 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