LIVE: INSANE PS5 PRO PRICE TAG, WRESTLING, FORBIDDEN NOSTALGIA AND MORE - BREAK ROOM LIVE

3 2 1 oh Jo you table and the computer just shook that is uh no one was mad that the go anywhere what the do I do with that yeah and the M Madness and the hul Mania on top of that you're the best friend St of all time so I absolutely adore you being the cream of the crop yeah let's go idiot you have no idea what you're fing talking about God they were saying Sony apparently said that the PlayStation 5 you suers end every pixel of the game engine into the face can't Dallas um what know when that's like part of my Christmas hi guys welcome back to the breakroom podcast we get the folk house today is like three weeks in a row is this like a new record what one clap for the streak hey better at it we're GNA have a nice little connection here while we uh we upload you guys with some Nostalgia and fun and uh my heart hurts be fantastic Friday Night Smackdown on USA Network we're rocking the Cody roads attire the son of a plumber plumber open open the show with a bang they [ __ ] open with the cage match they got yeah man a cage match to open Roman Reigns comes out they're going off the top of the cage that was I didn't expect to be blood line and Cody and Roman kind of battling together to to ward off the new bloodline that was awwesome cage saw that new logo new logo new logo fores S and A D or fresh of paint on Smackdown take that Prime cart and throw it in the [ __ ] ocean that's interesting that uh SmackDown and Raw are going to be on the same channel I guess for the first time ever for limited time yeah until January there's anticipation though I can't wait to see this raw and [ __ ] well even more significantly until then at least raw is going from 3 hours to two hours which it's been thank you hours we not talk about this we talked about this since we started this [ __ ] show more stars on the show what did you say about too much salt before you know too much salt not good we'll talk about that later too when we talk about a what I what I like most about that and this is probably for Vin as well you're going to get a 8 to 10:00 raw and then you still have a whole hour to watch the second half of Monday Night Football hell yeah Am I Wrong hell yeah love that speaking of uh week one of the NFL how how did you think that went for you I'm sorry oh man it's like it's like we reversed seats from last year you know I was nervous as [ __ ] at least you're not a Miami Dolphin fan oh dude that it feel terrible for him first uh you know the Packers opened up their season down in Brazil it was interesting but that was a [ __ ] slip and slide yeah it was it was you know it just looked weird yeah compared to all the other games we watched for the rest of the week looked weird I will say having watched all of as many games as I could yeah I feel like the Packers look good got to be honest I feel like they came out they went toe-to-toe with the Eagles the Eagles are a great team great defense uh you can't say jayen there was a lot of shitty calls in that game too there was a lot of [ __ ] in that game that game in the [ __ ] Chiefs game like they might as well be just sleeping with the refs Jesus what the [ __ ] yeah just just stay out of it for a little while Jesus Christ CHR uh so I'm confident except for obviously Jordan love getting hurt in the last 10 seconds of the [ __ ] game six actually it was six seconds the Rob so Joe just real quick we I was staring off into space in the last episode Watching and you left uh you know as we wrapped up uh so I stayed to finish the game and it was coming down to the wire Rob turns to me and he's like you think they should they should go for it and try to get the touchdown or like why you know why risk somebody getting hurt I was like no of course they going to go for it and you know you got to go you got to try to win the game I don't care if there 10 on camera while we were live no that was after we W cleaned up out did you flip tables no he just looks at me and he's like you [ __ ] called it yeah you [ __ ] called dude that was that was I was like is it worth risking an injury in the first game of the season I'll remind Rob not to watch any games with him this year Jesus bro I swear when he said it I was like say that put the M on them I will say the field I almost think helped the injury because I think if his foot was planted in Turf similar to MetLife like Turf that injury could have been worse but I think the travel his his cleat kind of slid his knee slid with it you know it was like wasn't as bad might have avoided a tear I don't know um ACL you're done for the year right now it's just a sprain they're playing games saying he might even play he's questionable for Sunday got a strategy you know you're [ __ ] with the other team I bet the Colts I'm sorry yeah I get it I the only the only thing that I would say is is regardless of whose quarterback for the Packers it's still tough to beat them in Lambo field I agree I think that team is dangerous it's not the Aaron Rogers show the way it used to be and I think there's a lot of pieces there the defense is good they're getting a new scheme down they looked like they were putting on serious pressure against Jaylen Herz so uh I like I like Jacobs I think as long as we can get some little bit of running going [ __ ] Texans ran all over them Joe Mixon just destroyed them last week so they'll be looking for that they're going to pressure Malik uh [ __ ] got the not as bad as James Cook ran over the Dolphins last night geez that game was ugly bro that was ugly for many reasons somebody bet I think a $100 bet uh they bet that he he would score three touchdowns in one game and they won 25k 100 but yeah [ __ ] who comes up with that cook yeah who I would I didn't even draft him in my fantasy I didn't give a [ __ ] three touchdowns it's crazy [ __ ] Buffalo looks pretty good compared to the their first week their opener so the godamn Jets it's just great to always have football back the godamn Jets jet only thing I can say my only saving grace is they played against the best team in the league right um I don't consider the Chiefs because the Chiefs buy the [ __ ] refs off so the 49ers even without Christian mcaffrey were still [ __ ] dominant On The Run game my biggest concern is that no Christian mcaffrey and the Jets still couldn't stop the [ __ ] run right uh they ran all over that [ __ ] defense and the defense was touted vaunted Jets defense you give them a [ __ ] quarterback that's functional they're going to be no dude he hasn't played in over 600 [ __ ] days and he's 40 years old you can't expect Aaron roders to start slinging it like he's the MVP in 201 you know 17 like that's just not realistic it might it may or may not take him like half the season till he gets into Rhythm there's been two years of hype so no matter what unless he threw four touchdowns that night it was a disappointment I think he looked first quarter wor good oh he had some he looked like uh you know he looked like Aaron Rogers you know he's still him he's still got the arm but you can see he's he's looking for the first look he's really trying to get the ball out of his hands which is great but Rogers is known for extending the play finding that extra man getting thaty that was my major probably by my biggest concern is regardless of the fact that it was Aaron Rogers behind Center it still looked like The Bu [ __ ] Jets offense of last year where they rushed throws they threw the ball within three seconds they they did their check down and then that's really it like Aaron roders is is known for taking time in the pocket and setting up a play um I don't know getting downfield I I'm really I'm really looking forward to Sunday against the Titans who actually have a really good defense so this isn't going to be a cakewalk for the Jets so I do think the Jets will win probably be by about six I say I give them six um but it's not going to be a cakewalk I agree I don't I think there was an overhype to it a sense that they were just going to turn it on look like a Super Bowl team expectations enormously high for them to kind of uh even like match too high it's it's too high it's New York media Market it's unrealistic but also yes you're right it's the 49ers well Al also Aaron also bit himself in the mouth by saying like oh if we beat this team we're going to the Super Bowl if we don't with the same old Jets so are you the same old Jets now oh yeah he said that [ __ ] in the promo to the game I'll tell you what expect him to shoot himself in the foot is that what he does a lot especially with the New York media like really the it's not going to go too well he so uh yeah you're facing the best team in the league they're the most physical team in the league they're the dirtiest team in the league they they play so Shanahan plays like bellich he coaches around the rules he does not follow the rules he's not a coach that's like oh what's the the rule I got to follow the rule he goes rul what can I break what can I bend he was doing uh double Mo he was moving two players at once you can see the running back gets a head start on a motion play so the receiver is still traveling and the running back suddenly gets a first step before the ball sna that's false start that's immediate just you know yeah but he's coaching them to do it he wants them to push the refs break the [ __ ] rules he's it's constant I've seen it in every playoff especially with the Packers constantly meeting the 49ers in the playoffs they push the [ __ ] limit they'll they'll get dirty three men on a tackle boom boom boom even though the guy's pretty much down there's a tackle a lot of teams you see the let up no they'll [ __ ] dog pile they don't call unnecessary roughness never no they never do so it's like they they always push what they can get away with they're extra physical Fred Warner is a maniac he's a [ __ ] physical violent player he still has that old school football mentality and that that's how that team is coach that's how that team plays you can see it every single time the only thing with them is they can they tend to find a way to beat themselves it they almost think they're too good and they get a little cocky and I don't know something kind of goes ay but what's Chris saying Chris read the comments we got some good comments here Jets commentary oh we got Jets comments come on let's bring in the Jets fans how do jets fans feel you guys there I don't want to start sweating how you guys feeling I just showered God damn it do I smell good time we talk football this is my this is probably my only topic has a comment here uh why don't you read it Joe as the resident [ __ ] if I had internet in this house I wouldn't be able to do did they give you the [ __ ] Wi-Fi I got the Wi-Fi but it's SL it's just his I don't know why it's not working today it's just [ __ ] slow well you got all of us on uh on YouTube right now all right so we're talking about Brett right yep uh Brett with two T's the New York Jets defense is terrible they gave me uh minus one point rating in my first week of fantasy football the league I'm in uh the Jets are still the Jets I don't see them winning too many games this year I don't think my Patriots might [ __ ] your Patriots you already came off the wrong [ __ ] side [ __ ] I'm talking to me about the Jets think going to be the Jets in Patriots I guarantee you Brett with two [ __ ] te's and you're not the real Brett any way the Jets will have a better record than the Patriots by the end of the season and you can watch this show in January and we can talk about it then [ __ ] I don't want to hear nothing about no goddamn Patriots your team is dead it's not 2005 it's over they're going to be the worst [ __ ] team in that division period didn't they come out with a win one [ __ ] win means nothing I I'm just saying that was not expected I didn't expect they beat a [ __ ] hobble Joe burrow who's not himself yet ciny looked terrible that's another one yeah I'm shock another [ __ ] turd especially with the Jamar and that ruined my parlay by the way because I that I had two teams that upset last week and one of them was the Patriots [ __ ] give back to him Brett Jamar Chas totally totally [ __ ] me because he holding out on his contract then he was was reported as ill on Saturday so I I benched him I benched him I'm like uh and then what happens of course he comes out he gets 12 which would have helped me I still won the [ __ ] uh I won with my defense which is the most nerve-wracking thing because I actually had the 49ers defense I'm sorry and uh it put it it gave me the 10 points I needed to win only a Patriots fan Brett would draft the Jets defense on their fantasy football te they're the they're the they better bring that Madden rating down I'll tell you that I want to see that Madden rating fall a couple times it's one week come on they don't adjust the Madden ratings until like week five let's slow down let's pump the brakes they played the 49ers I'm already emailing Madden like y you be to [ __ ] take these guys down a not um Aaron Rogers can't run out of the pocket what are you doing we're talking about overrated and then overpriced we go into our hot topic of the of the subject I think it's the because we can talk we can talk football all day until our [ __ ] these guys won't say [ __ ] nothing to say about the football Chris might fall asleep Rob doesn't care I at least know uh when not to speak about something I don't have any expertise I that's everybody on this show I don't we pretty good at that's not really you guys not you guys I'm saying that's well yeah you guys your eyes start rolling in the back of your [ __ ] head I'll sit here quietly and Nod my yeah but you're the conductor so you can't fall asleep did Brett respond I think Brett had a response for Joe there all right Brett just cuz the name is great doesn't make had response there he said dude I even said New England would be terrible once Brady left so you're not wrong there but then then again how many Super Bowls have the Jets won compared to the New England rest my [ __ ] case I love it that's that's all we love doing this they won the FL gate they won uh you know you know who they didn't beat BR wasn't there yet Eli Manning Aaron Rogers thank you good job Chris I know I know some [ __ ] Eli Manning two Tom Brady zero also Brad farf Brett faf yeah Brett faf that was good still you can't you know you can't and we had Flash Gordon so he can't take that from us either sorry Phil thank you Phil Phil appreciates the shirt it's my first time wearing this brand new shirt it's denim it's denim it's it's not the din silk pajamas anymore denim we apologize for our shitty lighting today I don't know what happened I guess we're yellow as [ __ ] yellow compared to you guys got to turn it up then I don't know we're yellow we're we're yellow and a little dingier looking over here but we look a little palid I was looking at you talking I'm like damn Vin's not that turn the brightness up right there it looks fine I don't know what you're talking about what are you talking about hereu I don't drive when they're predicting rain Arrow up should make the brightness go up the brightness go up you guys are going to get washed out white I will wrap I feel terrible for Tua tag Tavola no that's that's you guys are lights are changing how's that one one down to a Tong of Viola Tong it's a little better than it was right it's nice that's a terrible thing you don't you hate to see that maybe he'll join the bloodline you know how the bloodline he definitely could yeah before we talk about the PlayStation 5 PR's ridiculous price tag uh hell's called out too Vin and Rob's arm or once again one yes I I enjoyed that when I pulled up the stream yeah it's happening again am I too close to you is that the problem when you divide yeah you could probably move over if you yeah there you go but you know but I like the arm my elbow your arm it's like when uh when solid solid snake's uh liquid snake's arm brother brother I've I've been waiting for this classic PlayStation game I've been all right so mad about to Chris the whole internet [ __ ] internet you called it the the the the actual promo to our show the opening to our show is you cursing out Sony right about them possibly the rumor that they could come out with a mid uh console Generation update Allah A PS5 Pro they had a 9 Minute reel just to tell you about the PlayStation 5 Pro sure uh let's kick it to you and uh what are your thoughts uh well my thoughts are are facts and the facts are this is going to be the most expensive video game console that's ever been released I'm not talking about if you upgrade the storage and then suddenly your PlayStation 5 is more expensive or something like that not necessarily a few factor in inflation but it's okay Sega Saturn was very expensive when it it's also coming standard with two terabytes of original PS3 adjusted by inflation uh I think I think might be the most expensive really but you're your well the PS3 was $600 700 current I don't know about $1 150 more dollars from uh however many years ago the 700's just an ugly number it's a big number $699 700 before tax you know you're going to get $8 for every hundred it's $ 800 if you want the stand in the actual disc drive drive y oh so the disc drive is still an option is $80 just like apple Oh I thought there was no no option for it no it's 80 bucks who the [ __ ] needs a disc drive I still have a a disc drive on my PS5 the use it how many times never used it this drive is for backwards comp Spiderman which I didn't even finish playing yeah no no you're not going you don't not buying digital media today the option but if you wanted to play a PlayStation 4 game a PS3 game like put on a series X you could put an Xbox original game in the series X and it'll play I definitely agree with that and UHD Blu-rays I like I like the ability to do that it's always looks better on a Blu-ray than if you stream it streaming sucks yeah 100% but the thing about like oh games games you can't even play off a disc anymore cuz the disc isn't fast enough to play the game so people say things like oh you can play by the hardware like you still the [ __ ] internet you so it's one of those things it's we've been through this where we used to work you take away something and everyone's like up in arms my God the whole work oh my God the 30 P oh god oh they took away the the head the headphone adapter I don't think that's the main complaint though with the PS5 Pro that's just like a an extra you know and it doesn't have this you know they're taking something away but still charging you more that's not even I don't even care about the disc drive you know that's that's fine I have a disc drive now on my PS5 I think when you guys got it you're like no it's [ __ ] stupid I don't need a disc drive and you saved a little bit of money I've never used a disc drive but I do like having the option but the thing is back in the day it there was a a point where going to a midnight release at GameStop or whatever was better than getting the digital version because we didn't have digital you didn't well no but I'm saying even when you first started getting digital it took forever for it to download you had to download it like it became available at night to down like 12o can it's ready to go at the time I don't have to wait online with no smelly [ __ ] that [ __ ] hold on can I ask a question of the group yeah what is the last physical game that you bought Destiny one destiny one 10 years Spider-Man came with the PS5 Pro in a bundle but I never [ __ ] even beat no legitimately Destiny one launch you never bought a physical copy of anything no I got some discs uh I think Rainbow Six was actually a disc um I mean the majority of the games dig the entire console of Xbox one uh I did not buy it I'm just saying it it used to be is the Only One Last of Us came with the system as a Bund it used to be a better option to go to the midnight release for a short window of time because you can get the game that night and play it that night whereas if you were downloading it and it took forever to download and then it you know there was a point where it was almost better to get the disc but there's really no and is this a nail in the coffin for for video game stores you know no and I have some reason they the ones that also are The Gatekeepers to getting the system so that's the exact reason you you're going to use this is GameStop's only purpose in life at this point is to offer trade in value to allow for upgrade which ain't bad by the way when you showed me that that's the price 385 right now oh actually they they up I think it's four and change they upped it I saw a tweet from gam first of all I think for dig uh for dis versions $4.99 got it got it they're going for like four and change so that means four-year-old system a game system I got four years ago pretty much you know not to the day is still only lost what five wishful thinking very wishful thinking that's the price right now when the PS5 Pro comes out I doubt you'll get that much and also how [ __ ] long is it going to take to get a PS5 Pro I that's well you're not even asking you're not even asking the right questions but that's not even that's irrelevant at this point we we know it's going to take a while but give you a prediction and how [ __ ] long it took to get a PS5 for everybody you had to like [ __ ] sell crack everybody was buying them up scalping them why the criticism every every like it's it's just frustrating I'm it took me [ __ ] four months to get a [ __ ] PlayStation portal they got to fix their [ __ ] supply chain issues Co was four years ago I don't hear any [ __ ] excuses that it should take me months to get a new [ __ ] system if I want it that's [ __ ] [ __ ] TI hearing about Co we are not stuck in 2020 we are not stuck in supply chain issues they're St they'll still use they're still using a majority of what's available off the shelf today the only thing being upgraded is the GPU truly in the system which is the biggest for me uh so I wanted to ask what are the three main criticisms you're seeing when it comes to the system the price is way too high it's $700 plus right right there have been no next gen level or or very few next gen level games we have barely tapped into the power of the PS5 as it is we there's what next gen the the nextg games that I'm playing are old games that were upscaled for nextg Gen I'm playing Grand Theft Auto 5 and that looks like a nextg game when you [ __ ] with the settings and you put on per this for like about two years but no one listens to me it's all right there's no I've been saying it too there's what are the nextg level games and now you're going to tell me well you can get an even better system that's even more capable of playing games that we never going to [ __ ] release I think there was a list of 20 titles that honestly even used the techology put glasses on Spider-Man Ratchet and Clank like some of the original titles but it's like they're few and far between that's two yep and then so you have the price you have have we gotten our money's worth out of the PS5 as it is and what next gen level games have we gotten so far that have already tapped into its power sorry my wife is on TV Tiffany stranton oh yeah she looks great um anyway and criticism number three I mean I don't know what that for me look that much different or it's not that much more powerful negligibly that's number that's number two for me yeah that's what I'm hearing number one for me is the LIE shoot the initial lie when the PlayStation 5 was released yes I know that they specified this console can do 8K 4K 60 frames 120 frames at 4K resolution [ __ ] they sold it to us as if that's now you're telling me oh now it can do it for another what give me $1,000 1,000 more we need to look at this it's true they sold it to us sorry distract you need to watch the wide angle shot of that anyway number one reason is the initial lie Sony told us when they fed us a PlayStation 5 this console was seriously underpowered in comparison to an Xbox series s Xbox series X I should say it is it's accurate by 10% it's accurate 15% more is the PS5 Pro only more powerful than a series X just said before you couldn't tell the difference between whatever and whatever you can't tell the your eyeballs can't tell the difference between 10% and also the thing well that was my second thing I can justify the price if you're going to give me something that's vastly improved and and vastly like different and in terms of like graphical output like these consoles should be doing 64k because that's what you position for us in the first place you that's what that's what the whole point of going to this console generation was that you'll be able to do six 4K and and then you'll be able to do 120 frames it's [ __ ] unre unrealistic expectation it's not about unrealistic expectation it's talking about V it's not it's about what they said this can do they told us directly by this generation console will be no compromises [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] but here here let's just let's just for they set us up for in for instance they cooked up a story and dropped the six of us into the meat grinder and I just want to Pile in that before you make your point is then it became okay cool we got it now we got we finally after struggling to get this [ __ ] system and you're playing Grand Theft Auto 5 on it what okay where are the games oh well but co co happened and that [ __ ] everything up and everybody got laid off and everybody strikes and then so there was excuses maybe legitimate excuses okay and then all of a sudden here we are we're on PS5 tell me that girl's outfit doesn't look like the carpet in a laser tag place it does now do you remember just just like for for took back for the sake of understanding like how powerful the consoles are do you remember what your PlayStation 4 sounded like when you were playing Grand Theft the fan was loud it never made a difference cuz I had my headphones do you remember what your PlayStation 4 was the only system that ever stopped working on me ever really history I I don't know what you're getting at I didn't even get a you're justifying a $700 price T to have a quieter system I'm well I'm I'm trying to paint a picture for you painting picture let me hear Red Dead 2 how did your PS4 Pro why did you upgrade to a PS4 pro at the time I didn't I didn't have either of those systems I did and it was because GameStop had a great deal and 4K was the only reason to upgrade the PS4 was not capable of 4K right the jump to 4K okay which is a big jump CU but the PS5 is capable of 4K and 60 frames it's an Eightfold jump from 1080p to 4K what's the jump here well no we're still in 4k okay but 4K 60 frames per second because we're deal because we're dealing with rate tracing now because we're we've added an element that didn't exist people underestimate what that actually takes to a to the horsepower required to really get the level of games you're talking about sorry I'm not really Blown Away by Ray tracing draw distance would capture me more than raay tracing does at this point certain games make certain compromises but right now the still to this day the most most demanding game on the market is cyberpunk 2077 right runs great on my PC how much did you pay to make that run that good what do you mean 64 can series X no no no no no you're you're playing a watered down version if you saw it on Chris's PC it's completely different but a PC is capable of doing far more many things than a video game system is [ __ ] who cares oh I could type word [ __ ] and I can browse the internet do you built it to run Auto on it if no you do that all the time no so what what it was what did you pay for to get to that level all said and done probably like $1,800 almost $2,000 to run Ultra Graphics Ultra so when we talk about where are the games where's The Knockout like holy [ __ ] game in reality it requires a $2,000 [ __ ] computer to do it so when you talk about A6 thing a $699 system that can run a game at Ultra that actually is a deal that's a that you're actually getting your a more bang for your buck versus paying $2,000 yeah but that's that's putting you in a niche audience because only a niche audience is going to want to Shell out that type of money to have a slightly better advantage in terms of resolution and frame rate uh but I'm just saying you want 4K 60 frame per second rate tracing or Draw distance whatever you want to put in there they high demand that is high demand CP understand that is not like you can't this is the first generation of true 4K like cuz the PS4 Pro was but I feel like we heard that with the PS5 but that's what what do you mean they if you go back to the pitch and and that's nobody knew about Fidelity performance that was the thing no one understood you would have Fidelity mode or performance mode I built both these guys computers right and I built them up to spec to be ps5s before they were out that was pretty much we had kind of talked about we wanted 4K we wanted to be able to run games at Max you wanted to be able to kind of upgrade if you were going to go I'm sorry Max 1080P we weren't even doing 4K those computers were like $1,500 $2,000 I mean robs was like three grand to get that level of processing you are paying for it the GPU equivalent of what they're putting in the Pro is still retailing for $4.99 the CPU is still $3.99 so it to me understand sticker shock I understand the promises that were made it's not sticker shock $700 I can [ __ ] that's no problem we're adults we make that no problem that's not the point the point is they [ __ ] [ __ ] us with a [ __ ] system with a [ __ ] system that came out four years ago where they [ __ ] promised us X Y and Z and we didn't get [ __ ] to you to your earlier Point like did you pay for AC quieter system pretty much I I I did no I paid to play God of War and Spider-Man well my PS4 Pro was going to [ __ ] another one that was just going to take off if I was running it if I was doing uh Red Dead Redemption 2 at 4K I didn't even have an OLED yet so I really wasn't so what you're saying is you're justifying that I'm just saying I think the expectations of the market and what we want the demand we want the best we want 4K we're going to talk about this Grand Theft Auto thing we want 4K 60 FR per second locked we want it locked at 4K so do you think that $700 price tag let's let's say 800 after tax if after the periperal contrs all that [ __ ] is that worth removing the option to toggle performance mode or or Graphics I will say and and give you just now I'll give my reasoning because I'm going to trade in my system and I'll pay the difference well you're going to still you're going to pay 350 you're going to get 350 you're going to pay 350 plus tax you sp spending $400 it's like you're buying a new console again if you bought a digital PS5 it's 400 bucks it's four years later we are four years into this I get it we how many games in years years I totally play Spider-Man i' play God of War I've played [ __ ] you know Spider-Man was the same game that came out there was no difference between the last Spider-Man and this one even PS4 you know pro games or I'm sorry PS4 games looked phenomenal to play on this so here's the games I bought for PlayStation 5 real quick because I'm not a a a you just got into it you I'm not an adapter of PlayStation 4 PlayStation 4 Pro and I really wasn't going to get a PS5 until I got like a a last second like impulse by you know one of my co-workers said hey they got it here do you want me to get it for you I'm like H yeah [ __ ] it get it for me whatever right uh so then the first game I bought obviously was uh I bought that PlayStation premium pass which is another [ __ ] jack me off [ __ ] ripoff because they put all these Sony first party titles and then they take them away from you just before you beat them and I had to buy them back again because Co sucker [ __ ] is showing you why though do let me finish let me finish so I bought a PlayStation 5 for God of War Ragnarok loved it great game 8.8 in my opinion I like the first one better um I bought it for Spider-Man 2 which I didn't even buy because I [ __ ] felt like I was a jack me off game from the first one and after hearing you guys play it uh and then I played a little bit at last year's um holiday event we went to uh Florida uh at some point if it drops significantly in price I'll pick it up no problem I bought Resident Evil 4 remake which looks phenomenal Place phenomenal would have been the same on uh Xbox but I bought it on Playstation so we can me and little joke and [ __ ] play together which is a lot of fun and we played the [ __ ] out of that game when it first came out uh I bought two wrestling games backtack years WWE 2K 2324 just so we can have a content for the show to play barely that's not our fault that's not even about us and then uh I I picked up I picked up uh William Regal I picked up Madden uh this year so I could play with you yes but that's it good game that's all I have on my PlayStation 5 that's it I get it you're missing you're missing a I know divers and some other games that came out recently and things divers was not an nextg game oh I don't even have like a list a lot of people but if if you're if you're having a friend come over right usually like when you first came over when I had got the series X the first game I put on for you was Gears of War 5 and it looked phenomenal the water the textures 4K 60 frames OLED looked unbelievable if you're having someone come to your house for your PlayStation 5 not pro just past PlayStation 5 what game are you putting in the system show them off what's the showoff game for a PS5 yeah what are you showing off probably Spider-Man 2 Spider-Man 2 looks Theft Auto on performance AR Jesus Christ it looks better still looks better Chris is the worst Grand Theft Auto 5 still looks better than pretty much any [ __ ] game that's come out in the last 10 years except for Red Dead the most Advent just ridiculous you're just if you're playing GTA 5 on performance RT first of all physically you shut the [ __ ] up you C suckers have been taking all the air out of this [ __ ] room me and I haven't said [ __ ] you [ __ ] just intro the whole topic PS5 and complained about the whole Grand Theft Auto 5 you can move faster in that game than any other game that I know of 30 frames speed 30 30 frames per second it boost it boosts a 40 it's 30 frames like you can move quicker performance RT is 40 per second not 60 it's not speed wise it's not it's a higher frame rate also grand auto as we're going to talk about is not the greatest litness test for like it's a 10-year-old it still looks better than any showing off Grand Theft Auto 5 on a PlayStation 5 like you make no sense that's my point is that's probably one of the best games I could show off right now there's games like black myth if you're going to talk out of your ass stand up those games are [ __ ] on Rails it's not an open world nextg game you're in a [ __ ] close space you would show off what was it I'm talking about well so you can show off cuz it looks pretty but it's not game not a good video game if it's not massive multiplayer no I'm not saying it needs to be massive multiplayer but when you have a game where it's not really open world where you're following a path the whole time you can make that path look really pretty but it's another thing to make candidate would be a strong candid for PS5 though no I I wouldn't compared to your $2,000 you know machine yeah but if when I show off my off you want to you know you're showing off your OLED you're showing off highend rate tracing and Reflections and neon lights and I think cyberpunk has a good amount of that you're not going to do you let's say you're doing Xbox like Starfield that's a little too like slightly Bland or or tone yeah the tone of it's a little bit lower cyber Punk is still a strong Contender for probably one of the best looking most impressive AI uh you know dialogue based games it's going to look it'll look great I think it is the one thing we didn't know or maybe people didn't understand was when you build these PCS you choose the settings you select ultra high medium this that it doesn't present it or lock it in for you you're able to choose and you find the limits of your computer sure you can [ __ ] you know push it to the Max and find out your computer well let me ask everybody this when you have a game that gives you the option of performance mode or uh good question Fidelity or Fidelity Graphics what do you pick I go with performance every time because performance so when you go so for people don't totally understand performance usually is going to prioritize movement and like ESP on a competitive video game you know Fidelity might look it's supposed to be higher resolution but I can tell you the difference is palpable when you go on to Performance mode the movement of the camera and the frame rate it's it's noticeable 60 frames per second is to mean what nextg means yeah more than rate tracing the difference that you when I look and [ __ ] swing the camera and there's no I can't do I can't do that anymore will go performance and I will go performance rate tracing if yeah you know Spider-Man 2 did it Grand Theft Auto did it yes I will pay the difference to not have the trade-off I don't want to do that anymore I just all right I want so that that answers your question Rob what about what say you uh I usually I usually go for the graphics because I'm not playing competitive usually most video games that I'm playing are Solo games Rob doesn't care about the the frames I've heard I've heard some people like with their eyes like you know physically they don't see it as as as much as others there's like fres and I'm also never putting it into that performance mode so I don't have the litmus test to check it should try itl you have to toggle and see because you'll find that I I feel like the the the step for for uh Fidelity is is not really perceptible it's negligible versus the difference that you'll see when the camera moves quicker you feel it you feel the difference so 100% uh we have a lot of good comments too about this topic and I hate to just not uh not uh call these out so uh Brett said I think the PS5 prices are too high I mean I would love a PS5 but I own a PS4 and the PS5 prices are ludicrous can I can I jump in on that got a lot of comments to get through but the pro model also extends the user base because now with more trade-ins because of the 10 to 15% uh of sales the PS4 Pro only accounted for 10 uh 15% of total sales of PS4 so for Sony 10% is about the people who are interested in one too right it's like 10 you know you're not going to get it they know that this that's why the show was 9 minutes long it was just like here you go cool great they know there's a small percentage of people so they're going to have more trade-ins right Sony just launched their refurb sale thing for 349 you can get a PS5 model for 349 eventually you could see that going to 299 within the next two years they're they're growing the install base they want to get those PS4 folks over almost like they realize that PlayStation 5 is like at capacity in terms of the user base I think I think sales are pretty well maxed and you don't have Grand Theft Auto 6 sorry to the comments I just wanted to um I've been reading too much [ __ ] internet stuff so I'm I'm yeah a lot of the points that you're uh that we're all going to make are actually said in the comments here too so uh hell said all the power of a chpc none of the perks um fil Dil said it's objectively Vin you're in you're in the minority opinion here you're you are to this topic as I am to Game of Thrones season finale I'm you're trying to defend the finale when everybody hated it I don't I don't necessarily like V's riding that Sony Pony don't think uh again I don't think that it's unreasonable be to be upset about it but I think it's a pure overreaction I think people are just totally it's the one thing you can hone in on now and especially with PlayStation being dominant that people want to dog pilot it's trendy it's inflammatory but again it's only affecting 10% of [ __ ] PS5 it affects all of us damn it small hold on let's get through the damn comments we got like [ __ ] 26 comments here Phil dumpy said it's objectively expensive we've never paid this much before they're testing the waters possibly a new era if it sells and they can't keep it in stock uh Brett said I own a PC hells and some of the games that are on Console are a lot better and more optimized on PC PC so you're not wrong there we can talk about the differences between PC and uh and console G that's not the topic here the topic is whether or not it's nice to Riff on but we'll get there let's keep going through these comments God damn it uh at Sony's mercy of what you can play which is a point that I'm going to make we'll get back to that though most people who want a disc drive already Duty well that's all loves Call of Duty but no because this is going to tie into what I saw uh Phil dumpy said somewhere later but um Brett said for for example uh and I might get Flack for this but one of the worst games I ever played which is school girl zombie hunter is more optimized on PC than it was on Playstation hell said most of these phys this is why we got to stop for comments more frequently because then I got to read through [ __ ] 600 most of these physical games you get uh have to be downloaded to the system anyways discs are glorified Keys that's true that's that's kind of what I was going to get at too like you get the disc now and it's like okay you have to do a 40 GB I believe more in buying movies on physical at this point because of the way they rotate them through streaming services and they look shitty disappear forever uh Phil said why does it have WiFi 7 um Brett said speaking of the oh this was a good comment speaking of the PS5 Pro I play Gran Turismo 7 on PS4 but I heard that the PS5 Pro may not improve how good Gran Turismo 7 looks compared to the standard PS5 that'll tie into the GTA that's wrong it was one of the first demos they did it was actually only three games they demoed I really couldn't notice the difference I couldn't how can you notice the difference watching a YouTube stream the worst [ __ ] you're not watching it on OLED you're not watching it in 4k 60 how good is a is a YouTube stream I you're you're telling you're talking out your ass yeah but I mean you at least be able to see something like you really got to squint your eyes and even if you have it on did you watch it on your phone yeah okay what you talking about the resolution on your phone is but what I'm but what I'm getting at is it it the price point and the fact that we haven't even like enjoyed our PlayStation 5es fully yet they're already coming out and trying to get another $700 for us for something that has a minimal Improvement to buy it hold on we'll get to that because uh we got comments to get through here uh from the dungeon said [ __ ] the PS5 Pro [ __ ] the Hulk Hogan uh uh Brett say he agrees uh he said PlayStation knows they have the fools who will buy the $700 system Phil said I need a mic see you guys on Grand Theft all of you dumb [ __ ] you could say all this [ __ ] all you want I'll [ __ ] see you on there and all you dumb [ __ ] will be trading in for Less value let me tell you something you'll be all [ __ ] I'll take it away up your ass the [ __ ] click if we're still doing this show a year from now allegedly this [ __ ] game is going to be coming out within that time period of the next whatever three months thought it was delayed 2025 not delayed or not Rockstar had to come out and be like it's we're so let's just go let's go around Rob are you buying I just want to get through these [ __ ] 600 I won't read them all of them but why we got a live show for a [ __ ] reason [ __ ] we got Engage The Audience running the show Jesus I'm not I'm trying to skip through them I don't know what I'm going to read until I [ __ ] read it J Christ let get read and say you have a good one uh I can't that's not going to [ __ ] work Jesus Christ you guys talk trying to get in there we should have a comment segment they could talk to each other too yeah they are other Rob are you buying a PS5 Pro yes or no I can't afford it I didn't ask you heard him say that Rob don't tell me you can't afford it don't tell me you can't afford it you spend all this money on toys and [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm not making any money right now it's it's technically it's technically $400 would you not trade in your PS5 right now no what no I don't even know what you're saying no all right I mean it's just choice I wouldn't either I'm not Trading in my PS5 for PS5 Pro say he's getting I if you were to buy the pro you wouldn't trade in your five no I think I would make the the the other PS5 like my I would leave it here for streaming purposes and I would probably system share to my room okay I don't know what that means but cool so he's crazy yeah it's nuts uh Phil dumpy said if your PS5 was playing native 4K get rid of systems you know me 60 frames per second your electrical bill would be through the roof I I looked up the the CPU requirements for cyberpunk you need 120 watt [ __ ] CH are you getting a PS5 Pro yes or no no [ __ ] you I'm not getting a PS5 Pro I'm not full of [ __ ] GTA [ __ ] GTA is going to run fine on my PS5 it's going to be they're going to come out with the GTA [ __ ] six edition of the pro and you're going to want that well maybe if they did that no the Xbox is getting the license for GTA console you'll see that can we talk about Microsoft when we're wrapping this one up CU I'll tell you I just paid for a new beautiful powerful PC if I want the caviar experience I'm going to eat caviar on a [ __ ] out of a cavr [ __ ] goldplated dish on my PC I'm not going to be playing Minecraft Minecraft at Max [ __ ] spec W I'd rather do that wow look at these Graphics I could play GTA on on the PC too if I really wanted to look how nice the square is but then I'm just going to go ahead and assume your answer is yes you're going to trade in your PlayStation 5 and get a pro yeah okay if you if it maintains a very good trade in price and they don't right now it looks nice I want to see the price when you actually are able to get a PS5 six or seven months when you can fin get it ready when I went from a uh PS4 to a PS4 Pro a deal I got 50% you know value towards it I got whatever 200 and change I paid [ __ ] 200 bucks when I got uh when I went from switch to switch OLED GameStop was given an incentive trade in there they'll continue to incentivize this because cuz they're going to turn around give me whatever it is I mean I'm shocked it's what it is but they're still going to turn around bundle those prebuilds I'm I'm sorry bundle those trade-ins with a bunch of [ __ ] and sell them for [ __ ] 450 and five let's let's just let's call a spade a spade here the money is not an object it's not like an nobody is a [ __ ] object that's the object we don't have kids spend more money onac going to [ __ ] you spend more [ __ ] money on I sto eating Taco Bell like I eat it cuz I have to come here I can't [ __ ] make what is that I get one night a week now one night a week camera one night a week because I don't have any [ __ ] time I don't come here at 8:30 I get here [ __ ] ear none of us are rich none of us are [ __ ] rolling in money but let's CL we're [ __ ] adults our [ __ ] Pastime is video game $700 I can wipe my ass with when there's a [ __ ] Injustice you got to stand up to it especially hold on let me finish I didn't even tell you my answer yet especially if I can get 350 and pay 50% of what I was going to pay for in the first place that's not a bad thing my answer right now is no the reason my answer is no cuz a I don't know what Grand Theft Auto is going to release I don't know what the specs requirements are going to be for it and I don't know what Microsoft is going to do so right now I'm up in arms I'm not running out to the [ __ ] streets and putting up I want a PS4 five Pro I don't want it right now I don't need it right now my PlayStation 5 is a dust machine I barely touch it the only reason I've touched it recently was to play Madden with you other than that I haven't I haven't touched it since I moved from you know about four or five months ago PS $400 $400 when it came out $400 I told Joe Joe's going to trade in his Xbox I can't and I can't play you know I know I get it no but uh believe me I'm not running out to do it it's not happening day one I don't care about I'm not saying no my answer is not no but my answer is not yes AC that it's not it's not you're not going to be able to get one I don't even care I'll get one are you kidding me you are not going to be able to get one I got a guy I got a guy I know guy my mind is 100% in the I want to be ready when GTA 6 comes out I want the best possible experience I love GTA more than anybody and I don't give a [ __ ] when there is an injustice and you're selling a system look look we got a lot of and there were comments a lot of love I was surprised to see a lot of love because it's popular to say damn man that's the name of the show tonight sa nugs got a lot of comments giving love to the PS3 which I was surprised because the PS3 I think was one of the dark ages for video games and for Sony in general system when the PS I had a PlayStation next topic anyway we had a PlayStation one I had a PlayStation 2 Playstation 3 came out it was $600 when you turned it on the [ __ ] violins would play and you were some [ __ ] caviar eatting high class [ __ ] high flutin silk [ __ ] silk underwear wearing [ __ ] when you turn that on I couldn't afford that [ __ ] I was a kid I couldn't afford a $600 [ __ ] dollar system it felt to me as a kid like a slap in the face and hey I so I skipped it and I went with the Xbox 360 and that's what got me into Xbox because it was a cheap ass system it was 200 bucks you can get the arcade version it was like 200 bucks I got one I played Halo it was awesome the party system was great everybody had it it was the golden age for [ __ ] for for Xbox then the Xbox one came out and they did some stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] where it was supposed to be a DVR system hold on hold on let me [ __ ] finish my train of thought [ __ ] all right I got a PS y doesn't make right you I [ __ ] got to get some time in here you guys have been talking the whole time keep yelling [ __ ] I am yelling cuz I'm [ __ ] pissed I've been [ __ ] sit choking myself while you guys are [ __ ] talking to fighter points or whatever the [ __ ] I'm just saying this reminds me of when the PS3 came out and I was priced out of it and it felt like an insult to me as a gamer and you could say oh you don't have to buy it but let's be honest with ourselves you're going to have the games are going to come out oh well if you got the PS5 it's not it's good you're [ __ ] [ __ ] what games it's four years we still have no [ __ ] games gam the games are coming to Xbox next year I think it's healthy that there's blowback I think everybody's been [ __ ] sucking Sony's dick for the past decade now maybe not you but I've been very team Sony I've been very you know they've made better decisions than Xbox has or [ __ ] Microsoft has the Investments I make because I believe that I'm being unbiased I didn't buy the PS3 I didn't [ __ ] ride the pony I don't give a [ __ ] do you feel like you got your investment out of PS5 n i i could agree I could agree with no but I I would also say that the benefit 00 we're downplaying the benefits of having the PS5 because if you had a PS4 Pro you'd be like [ __ ] jerking off you you'd hate it would even Fu be playing GTA I did get a I did get a PlayStation 3 initially because I needed to play middle Gear Solid 4 that's the only yes yes yes yes so you know my justification I'm just trying to at least communicate why it's not even like Sony's with the PS3 they built the cell processor so they were charging $ 599 to recoup Investments they make they're getting AMD processors they're getting AMD gpus this is dependent on what the market is the market go out and buy a GPU that could play cyberpunk at full spec $6.99 all right let just one component crazy let go I will see that to you I will see that if you were to just get the graphics card in that it's and here's the other thing I relative the price is relative to what's going on and then you're arguing two points at the same time I want Graphics that exceed expectation but I want to pay $299 got your head up your ass I already paid I already paid $500 to get what I thought were going to be phenomenal graic problem that's my my problem is they lied to us they set us up you lied to me yeah but you lied to me I was never under maybe not lied but they misled us you didn't know you didn't I don't I don't understand cuz you had PCS before then and you knew you couldn't run certain games at Max speec you know the difference you understand there are the Allure and the selling point for these new consoles marketing of them was rate tracing 4K at 60 frames that's what they position to us when we pre-ordered these consise that's what it was I get that and it's [ __ ] for $3.99 I think Sony beat the [ __ ] out of Microsoft for pricing it at the right price I think $3.99 was a fair price for El with the series s yes we could I could stupid s if I was Microsoft this week you know what I would have done I would have dropped the price of the Xbox by 100 bucks so then they could have bragged about how no they increased the price of the Xbox by putting two terabytes in it I know and the PS5 Pro also has two terabytes terabytes yeah so it is you're getting a you're getting a full where the hell are you going you're probably about $500 great night you're probably getting anywhere and it's funny CU you sent me the the digital Foundry talking to IGN about GTA potentially not running okay so let's go there so you want to you yes or no yes 100% so GTA 6 is going to run 4K at a native 60 frames on a PlayStation Pro native is a different conversation native is a is a really different kind of [ __ ] word $700 it's a different kind of word $700 is a different kind of [ __ ] budget Rockstar always exceeds expectation to the point where you're like how did they even do that this shouldn't be possible on the Xbox 360 I remember playing Grand Theft Auto 5 for the first time and saying this shouldn't be possible I want to see twerking in 4k 60 frames this shouldn't be possible am I wrong I agree I think it will hit it they had a lot of time though CU because to me they are trying to optimize this game and this engine to make sure they hit the ground running and there's nothing more disappointing than when Starfield came out and it was 30 frames per second they had to spend a year getting it to 60 and optimizing put it out this year guess what the one so the digital Foundry conversation was that the CPU maybe bottlenecked because the AI and the simulation running in the background they had nothing to do with the graphics and we were just talking via chat and I was just firing off real quick but uh the one thing they're leaving out is the pssr abilities the 10% CPU boost mode that they're putting in for the PS5 Pro I think that Rockstar has had this thing for probably a year or so maybe more it may factor into why the game was pushed to fe uh to fall 2025 they want to optimize this game they don't want to make some of the mistakes now will it run 4K 60 lock native I don't know I think there will be some there's got to be tradeoffs to to be fully you know what would be hilarious if you have a toggle option on GTA 6 when you have a PS5 Pro I think the PS5 versions will have a toggle I'm saying Pro the pro with a toggle I could maybe see it but [ __ ] is the point then they just lied to us twice well no because the game is coming out for multiple consoles so you brought up the Xbox series s but they're not going to that's what I'm that's what I'm asking is it can not have a toggle which is what they Herald which is they showed us the first two minutes hey we know that a lot of Gamers 75% of you like to do performance mod the PlayStation 5 Pro allows you to there's a pro mode what [ __ ] Apple now very much Sony is iPhone Pro you can see IP Pro PlayStation Pro what is Sony's reputation what is Sony's reputation cash grab highend highend Electronics highend [ __ ] [ __ ] Microsoft is one of the most greedy's way greedier than [ __ ] Microsoft I would say that Sony at least puts in the effort to make it look good Microsoft's kind of cheap on this I don't know if their designs are usually right now they are they were Sony was benevolent and [ __ ] generous the PS5 being 400 bucks was very generous yeah but now they're getting [ __ ] ballsy the series X coming out I could play an Xbox Xbox 360 game day one still can't do that on PS5 uh say that again sorry day one Xbox series X I can play any game in the Xbox catalog History Day One couldn't do that on PS5 oh Sony tries to do the PlayStation now or whatever I want to into into that backwards compatibility conversation well I'll have you know Vin uh that at least I don't care what anybody says I've read the whole [ __ ] internet all I'm saying it's people agreeing with you you have Ambu and Phil are both agreeing with you in the comments here they they love being miled by Sony apparently Phil do you feel like you got the the full value out of your PS5 do you 300 hours into [ __ ] Final Fantasy he [ __ ] definitely would feel like he got his money that's a question so maybe you do I put plenty of hours on gam from seven years ago but I play some new games here and there never play he never play play bring me a [ __ ] game that I want to play that's new but you don't like games on Rails you don't like games that are boring or rep Zelda I got standards so what standards you don't like Zelda well I bought Zelda I just never [ __ ] played it because it's [ __ ] doesn't compare graphically so you do like wasting money really good point it was a waste of money and I don't like it I'm mad about it that's why I have to be more [ __ ] selective with what I spend my money on nowadays and to me there's nothing that I just don't see I I'm one of the people that says nope not going to not going to get it not getting a PS5 Pro I don't know I don't care if anybody believes me or not there's a lot of things on this show that you said you wouldn't do you wouldn't get and then you [ __ ] Whittle me down put me on the [ __ ] cross I just know the truth [ __ ] pontious pilot [ __ ] pie silver one teaser trailer to to GTA we haven't even started the marketing C GTA came out on Xbox 360 there was nothing on PS4 they upgraded for PS5 then to what what do you mean like was originally on the the PS3 era it went to PS4 and PS5 my mindset is Rockstar should make a game that's playable on the PS5 they totally skipped the PS4 it should be playable on base PS5 no problem it should look great and that's what exactly I don't care about the negligible difference to a PS5 Pro not spending the 300 you just talked about caviar you [ __ ] you just talked about I'm e caviar a [ __ ] computer to play Minecraft what you I don't understand so I already have a PC that I spent money on doing this how is that me not make sense to you I already spent my money on a PC if I want that experience I'll play it on there cuz it's going to be better GTA 6 will be in in I play GTA 6 six years yes you should wait 6 years to play it at its absolute Pinnacle when it comes out on PC that you're going to need a I don't even want to know six months after the console release six months a PC no way it takes at least 18 18 months it's going to be two years before a year and a half until it's on PC absolutely I don't even remember what I don't even know what the difference I don't even remember between Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead uh Red Dead 2 on PS4 and uh on PC I if you look that up that'll probably tell you but I'm just saying I heard it was going to be six months again I'm not I'm not even like oh it's it's a good move it's annoying because it hits a price point that really makes you kind of go 599 would have sounded sweet I would have taken the system with a one terabyte hard drive if they could drop it a 100 bucks I think that would have been good they to they put a two terab in there they price point the ter you also don't realize what that how many people buy iPhone Pro models versus standard do you I mean iPhone Pro sells more because it's the better one so that exactly you feel obligated to buy the better one and spend more [ __ ] money I'm just making my I thought about that analogy and I thought about the fact that Apple releases a slightly and I do mean [ __ ] slightly cunir better phone I don't work anymore [ __ ] them no no the yeah uh you're wearing a shirt that says [ __ ] who oh CNT baby you know yeah country music station whatever so they you know it's not a it's not a accurate analogy because your phone you touch more than you do anything else in your life I always Justified it that way yes and your phone does like so much more than a a gaming system you take photos with it you have navigation you have text everything multi yeah so that's not I get it I get it can I get it a base model iPhone do the same as the pro like what what do you want it to do I'm just saying all the things you just said Can a regular you take a photo do text messages do everything okay yeah so why are you buying the pro though cuz I'm because you feel [ __ ] pressured and obligated to cuz you don't want to be [ __ ] poor people like well you're asking me that's going to be a technical question I want the faster screen I want I want Theo I want better battery life I want I want stain you know I want the stainless steel I want the triple lens camera I want the you know I want the 4K 60 you know video recorder I want you know gotta all the bells and whistles we work here we know the deal I don't have to [ __ ] go over like I'm just trying to make you say those things I like I no I I I didn't say that I didn't want a PlayStation 5 Pro I said let me see what the other competition is going to do and let me see like I'm not interested in getting a PS5 Pro to pay my current PlayStation 5 games upscaled slightly better more rate tracing that doesn't justify $700 for me if you're telling me that Wolverine's going to look [ __ ] incredible and play incredible on a PS5 Pro I'm in if you're telling me Grand Theft Auto 6 is going to be the best experience that you can get only on PS5 Pro and not on a new Xbox or whatever it's going to be I'm in but if you're telling me Oh you could play Gran Turismo or Spider-Man and it no I don't give a [ __ ] I'm not giving you more money to do what you told me it was supposed to do in the first [ __ ] place I get that I get that totally totally agree again I would have AC I would have I for the pr of it all wow Cody rhods and Roman Reigns about to have a segment sorry also we missed we glanced over it but Cody uh was backstage and he said I'm done with the bloodline he said they're Roman's problem I don't want to deal with these guys anymore I beat him so just pointing that out beat them I'm [ __ ] done it's I don't know to me it's just the internet sucks today it's it's just too bold and Brazen I think and uh in yourr face I mean hey you know what you know what what's what Xbox or you did call it what Microsoft could do to [ __ ] all this up I think maybe four or five months ago when you went off and on a t because we brought it up because they said oh PlayStation 5 is halfway through its life cycle what the [ __ ] are you talking about we've been waiting here four years of nothing this is later than the PS4 Pro coming out the PS4 Pro came out 3 years after the [ __ ] theic everything got delayed we got what do you mean it means nothing when you are PL they didn't just like run into a room the week before they announced it and we're like you know what we should do a PS4 5 Pro we should no I [ __ ] think they were in a room [ __ ] Coke and [ __ ] saying how can we [ __ ] these [ __ ] suckers and milk them for more money that's what I think they were doing they were probably doing [ __ ] a line of make money on the console sales they [ __ ] they have a business model that they make money they find a way to get so they're they're operating out a they're not getting any profit for [ __ ] being Sony it takes at least a year for the consoles to even it takes time but they still [ __ ] yeah we're good we lost connecting to our TV don't care take takes the money they're not [ __ ] poppers with [ __ ] their the little balls out begging for coin are you a communist are you anti- capitalism are you a nihilist dude you know the answer to that that I I just saying like I I don't he's going to go off now he's twitching no I'm not like I'm not going to respond to that cuz that's that's that's a bait question course exactly I'm taking the I'm busing chops I've just seen so much I'm I'm reactionary right now because I've just seen so much this throughout the week where I'm like there is a reason behind why this thing costs what it costs and the expectations that we have for 4K [ __ ] native 60 frame per second re my whole thing is they told me that that this hardw so a bill of goods and then they [ __ ] didn't deliver any of the [ __ ] god the person I want to hear from when it comes to did you get your money's worth when it comes to the p PS5 is my cousin Joe I feel like it's like okay he's the he's the best example I have what does he say about this Pro System he wants it oh man he's he's of course I I kind of sold him because he's he doesn't play his Xbox so he's going to trade that in for 375 here's a good comparison here's a good comparison even TR imagine you get a nice premium gun you waited forever to get this gun this gun's [ __ ] awesome but there's never any bullets myle you got no bullets to shoot you got an awesome gun no bullets now hey there's a better gun it could shoot the bullets even faster the bullets will [ __ ] the you know curve everything is better yeah everything's better I still don't have any [ __ ] bullets analogy analogy is the best analogy Two Gun there's no [ __ ] that you need more [ __ ] on the PS5 that we deserved more we did not get our money's worth in my opinion I'm going to have to agree with Chris I 100% agree that we definitely need more better games that are impressive we're getting a lot of remakes we're getting a lot of rehash we're getting little bumps Silent Hills coming out that's just a remake you know Metal Gears coming out it's going to be a new story master of two so you know excited to play him going to be a lot of fun can't wait to play Metal Gear there still hasn't there we haven't what game all right maybe that maybe here's a question what game in your mind stands out the most across any generation where you turned it on you were just like holy [ __ ] GTA GTA 4 GTA that game for many reasons anything Rockstar qualifies yeah I mean Red Dead also would you know I'm just like in a childhood when you know it's going to sound weird but uh the first time I put on turbo graphics and played Bon Adventures oh [ __ ] turbo graph you played I had I had all three I had Sega Genesis Super Nintendo and turbo Graphics as a kid that's so funny but when you put on turbo Graphics it was just it almost felt like I had an arcade in my household because this is this is back before like if you played like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter for example on your Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis when I was dead brokan I couldn't picture this um it still didn't look as good as when you went to the arcade right but for some reason turbo Graphics still 16bit the the games just had a different like color palette and they just popped off the screen can I tell you kind of why that that was that's just my that was my first thought when you asked that question but I have other thoughts about that too Mortal Kombat funny enough was done with Sprites was done with map Sprites so you were seeing like a person do those things versus an actual built for me the answer like to your question is Gears of War on Xbox 360 oh that's a good one that is a good one now now I was like wow this is [ __ ] this is unlike anything I've ever seen before yeah the character models on that game are really [ __ ] great right you the [ __ ] they look like [ __ ] refrigerators with legs they're [ __ ] character models on Gears of War are AED like [ __ ] Batista fell into the Unreal Engine and [ __ ] turned into a goddamn refrigerator even like Gears of War Gears of War sucks it's so much fun they put a chainsaw on the gun some of the best Co-op multiplayer convinces himself of something for so long that he has to continue it for the rest of his life I am agreeing with the with the Common Thread right now You' got I am I am the what all the regular [ __ ] peons out there are saying I am agreeing with you guys are the contrarians not me I'm just saying that well you're not I'm just saying at all as far as the PlayStation light you're the only one that's [ __ ] defending this this [ __ ] and I'm not even defending I'm trying to give you a a a real picture an understanding of why this would be this much or why we're why we're faced with this dilemma let's say they're not gonna [ __ ] come out with this console at 499 when it it it can compete with a 1499 $2,000 PC it's the P everything scales with the times when the PS5 came out it was all Cutting Edge [ __ ] and it was $400 I mean if you look at the I think it was two weeks ago I said that it would be a minimum of 600 and I said most likely 700 I did you called that yeah say that I based on the pricing based on theet fair but I will agree too the hard drive being two terabyte is also I'll see that because if you get a computer and you jump from a one tab to a 2 terab Sal Drive you're talking about like yeah but here's the thing that we're not we're not realizing that NBA 2K 25 takes up like 300 [ __ ] goddamn gigabytes we don't know how much space Grand Theft Auto 6 is going to take especially when you take that and then they release online with it it could take a [ __ ] terabyte so you you don't real you don't realize like you're going to be pushing 7even to 800 [ __ ] gigabytes just to play Grand Theft Auto 6 so you're going to need those two terabytes and then another [ __ ] terab on top of that no you're going to need more of that for Call of Duty than you are going to need for I'm just telling you I'm is going to be a high [ __ ] gigabyte [ __ ] 3 to 500 off the top of my head three to even breaking a sweat Rockstar is one of the most efficient developers out there they optimize the best they've always done nothing like Call of Duty they don't come out with games every n 2 is the worst you can't compare a company that launches games every [ __ ] year and doesn't give a [ __ ] Madden 2K Call of Duty they don't care don't even give a [ __ ] cuz they don't work on it long enough for it to get good get good uh but we've been uh waiting on this game for [ __ ] 10 years so yeah I would I I would say I agree with you yes the games are taking up crazy space I'm happy that the two terabytes that I installed in my current PS5 will be able to go over to that so I will have a 4 terabyte [ __ ] system be nice but um that's nice I I I I get the sticker shock but I think in terms of value a lie but no but for what people are put out it's oh $6.99 and I just think based on the value you're getting and the guy who said who did the IGN interview talking about the GTA potentially not running at 4K 60 said this is a good value if you had to get the same spec in a PC you'd be paying 1,500 plus so if you you know the experts or whatever the people that know the best I would say if you want premium gaming comfortable on your LG it's fine as especially if you're trading in if you're jumping in and I don't expect a lot of people who are PS4 I'm sorry yeah PS4 players to jump to a PS4 Pro they didn't go to PS5 for $400 why would they go to PlayStation that's my point but I do think overall it does grow the base based on what I said before I think in terms of what the company's doing it makes sense and unfortunately this is partially Microsoft's fault all right so next question since she's brought up the m word what's Microsoft's counter to this oh that's what I wanted to say here's how Microsoft could [ __ ] everything up for themselves they come out with a system that costs the same or more that's the only thing they could do to make anyone feel better about this CU then people will cut Sony Flack to be like oh well Microsoft's doing it too Micosoft always undercut everybody terms of price every single time we've well we've always seen the back and forth not not with the the the one the one Xbox was 299 but you were getting the land built in you were getting a hard drive built in I think the value was there with Xbox the original Xbox did not I did not feel I tra I think I like even traded my I think GameStop and micro I think GameStop was paying Electronics Boutique to incentivize uh trading because it was a year later and there was always such a huge install base of was like a big shock when I saw like um Halo one Ninja giden on Xbox those were like oh [ __ ] this looks better than anything on PS2 or GameCube Halo 1 Halo 3 Halo 1 was the game Halo 3 shocker for me answer we're talking about like your first like oh wow cuz when I couldn't believe it the low times in in open world fi lighting the lights coming off the warthog that was playing with your friends changing of day night the glow of the [ __ ] plasma I was like is this real I had to trade in my PlayStation I had to within the week or two I was like I have to have this I don't even I gave up Grand Theft Auto there was no Grand Theft Auto on that system for like two [ __ ] years I gave it up literally was like no czy that's how good it was and the Xbox 360 was equally great it was a [ __ ] fantastic [ __ ] system and Microsoft made the ultimate mistake with the Xbox one because it was at the worst time because I went to PS4 but if you only because of how bad Xbox one was in hindsight yes I didn't want to [ __ ] try but but in hindsight everything they positioned Xbox One to have it's what we use our consoles now for anyway they're entertainment hubs no they position the Xbox one as a TV companion you could run your [ __ ] cable box through but but it never worked well at all because you could only watch it on the [ __ ] side of your screen and there was a whole bar on the side of the screen but only the top right corner was was taken up by the actual Xbox one with the connect too do you remember the yeah yeah the Xbox Connect That was supposed to be the big thing Xbox one they tried to do too much weird [ __ ] that Gamers didn't want and then they took it away from you they TR to capitalize on like the Wii the the the success of the we follow they follow a little too much they have a habit of following it they're still trying to recover from that and they're it's impossible you know why it's like they recover a bit and then they [ __ ] up again listen you know why it's impossible to recover technically because of the [ __ ] exact reason I brought up before how many games have you bought on physical disc versus digital library the entire PS4 life cycle is digital and you built these libraries with thousands of dollars of games I am reluctant to give that up I am reluctant Xbox would have to would I I play any of those games I bought on Xbox One on my series X oh no no no I'm saying I was building a PS4 Library oh I was building a multi library for you to convert over to an Xbox would be like losing suicide it would be like oh there goes that's how I feel about moving over to PlayStation 5 exactly how I feel now it's more sticky you know in the same vein of the only reason I got it was for the exclusives that you can't play on Xbox that's really it right right I so it it for Microsoft it was at the worst [ __ ] time but to your question you asked like what do they do now what could they do they could launch their Pro system based on what everybody's saying maybe it's slightly less powerful or it has slightly less storage it includes a disc drive they launch it at $4.99 they get rid of the s99 even get rid of the S completely kill the s in public on stage bring it on stage with a shotgun and [ __ ] shoot it cuz it killed this generation for them yeah all the all the advantages you've laid out for me many times and we've discussed are hindered by that system it doesn't matter how [ __ ] powerful that one is the S hinders game developers from optimizing the games to be as good as they can be because they have to make it work on that little piece of [ __ ] get rid of it which is what they're going to say about the PS5 eventually and also drop the price of the uh series X the existing X bring that down to what $299 or 399 so there's parody between a PS5 and a [ __ ] Xbox then you're competitive give them a year [ __ ] uh Game Pass is that something that they do November or is they going to wait till next spring or should have done it this week I mean the new launching the new model know but I just mean do you think Xbox will come out with another system this year based on how fast information travels and how fast we go through this [ __ ] no one's going to care about this PS5 [ __ ] in a week right this was the week to go full-blown marketing campaign price drops deals Game Pass Deals they should be on on they should be giving so much [ __ ] to Sony on on uh Twitter on so like the social media Wars bring back the war bring back the poking Pro no what did they do this week they fired 650 [ __ ] people the worst [ __ ] move the wor the dumbest thing you could do in this moment when Sony's on the ropes technically There's an opportunity to maybe get in there I think they need to fire Phil Spencer I think he is [ __ ] I think he's [ __ ] up enough I I understand that he has a ton of credibility and he's like kind of that guy you can relate to he seems like oh yeah he's like me he plays games he's very good at riding around in his Lambo bro he has really fumbled this and I don't know if it's his fault specifically but I it's unforgivable what they've done with Halo it's it's like so there are so many different franchises that luckily with the latest show they did get back to basics and pillar games and Fable and we'll see Gears Award launch those make sure those come out in the next year come out and and made well right don't rush it don't I hate when they that's another problem I have stop announcing these [ __ ] games four years in advance give me 18 months make smaller games I have a three- week window for me personally I have about two three weeks with uh like single player games I don't Platinum a lot of stuff I I really don't go for that I got a two three we window where I can't wait to get home and play and I can dedicate that time and people people will give me that space to like do that girlfriend everybody you know I can't wait I'll get fast food on the way home and you know F Final Fantasy whatever like I'll I'll really hone in but after about three weeks I don't have it anymore something caught my attention maybe I want to watch a new show we're just constantly bombarded with entertainment I just want smaller games faster we've talked about smaller Dev teams give me a game mechanic I haven't seen ever time Splitters was another game expectations I haven't seen a a uh a game like uh Red Faction right there were g a prey prey was a [ __ ] crazy where is halflife three oh God valve is just they don't give a [ __ ] I don't know why have a half life smaller games shorter Dev Cycles don't announce them [ __ ] fores in advance please that sounds practical but I just don't think that it's possible because of how gamers are nowadays and their expectations are so high where I feel like if you make a smaller game there's going to be this unwarranted I kind I kind of like that sentiment though because that's what we're missing in the last two generations like one of the topics I wanted to talk talk about tonight was since we're on a topic of like Sony what is your favorite Sony console of all time PlayStation 1 PlayStation 2 PlayStation 3 PlayStation 4 Roberto is this guy he's taking a [ __ ] he'll be there now he'll be we gotta wait for him though we need so the the one thing that I'll say like my answer is easy and it's by far PlayStation 2 the reason it's PlayStation 2 is because you had all these first party games like ieko like um Guardians um what was the guardian game with you the giant [ __ ] beast that you would fight oh um last The Last Guardian right uh and then you had like Mark of cre which was an amazing game Mark FC was like the first game that would do combat like Batman Arkham sylm oh right right right fast combo but it was it was a small developed game and and it was just amazing like Devil May Cry Devil May Cry like these games started up like small based Oni Musha you know all these Soom T of the grand games that are beloved you know GTA 3 GTA 3 was a big production SRE that wasn't a small game that could come out but they did come out like a couple years later with Vice with Vice City and then San Andreas so we did get games at a faster rate and they weren't as high production the problem now is everything's so [ __ ] expensive production paying people marketing doing all this [ __ ] like they want banking on their investment they're not going to invest all this amount of money to develop something and have a come out like the Borderlands movie they holwood want hwood return they Borderlands made 30 million and it cost 150 to make right that's a great they don't want that that will bankrupt an entire [ __ ] publisher I agree I agree I played uh that's why you're not getting these smaller production games and you're waiting for big budget uh re-releases or remake or rehashes or sequels or prequels they want established IP [ __ ] it's soft it's just like it's just like the movie industry they're too scared to be creative or allow creative creativity they really only invest in what they know we are [ __ ] in terms of creativity in terms of like new IPS and new good IPS they just they're not happening anymore I played a a good small game uh Phil uh I forgot if he turned me on to it or uh Kina Bridge of spirits fantastic small game incredible design awesome or wins of the or is another one that's really [ __ ] cool Kina is third person combat it's like she got a stick and AOW and arrow it's the most uh almost nintendoes game for Playstation it's very small it's a short game probably take you 20 30 hours I don't know should got that new Ninja Turtle game that's coming out that does look fun I saw the trailer today so I I feel like there's some there's small little opportunities to do this but you know what really [ __ ] the game industry this Chris should like this you know what really [ __ ] up everything I think it's it's obvious now looking in hindsight because of like how game changed over Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed when they became yearly fortnite destroyed everything about games for now because every single [ __ ] game company chased that [ __ ] like weasel this season pass this Perpetual online battle uh Royale everyone wanted Funko POA video games right games as a service with Partnerships right so now everything needed Sony their their previous character previous CEO from different licenses got the guy's name something Ryan yeah they Ryan he got fired Jack Ryan because he [ __ ] pivoted the entire company away from The Last of Us multiplayer uh a bunch of games that were allegedly in developmentality alleged so looking for allegedly Bungie like budded in and had an opinion about how The Last of Us wouldn't be successful because it didn't have a sustained [ __ ] Revenue what the [ __ ] is that why can't I'll pay 30 bucks for for lass of Us online have a ball with you guys for [ __ ] 68 months and then we'll [ __ ] where's the next Uncharted game like why haven't they seen it's PlayStation 5 4 years and we're going into a midc console [ __ ] cycle where's their big [ __ ] franchises where's Uncharted where's resistance where's Killzone where's Socom where's [ __ ] goddamn all these other [ __ ] twisted metal like all these Sony [ __ ] branded [ __ ] gam siphon filter like where are all these [ __ ] licenses where are they and then you I could pull up an article that like where's Sly Cooper and the raccoon where are all these [ __ ] games I think the head of Sony came out some executive said oh like we don't have enough IP and I was like bro you should shut the [ __ ] up you should look all you got to do is look at that list of what you just said and go we need one of those Twisted Metal online that's a that's a gimme that's a gimme that's a freeo play you mix in some fun [ __ ] combat Vehicles we have a [ __ ] a few laughs about it and then you move on like three months later I think the fortnite sustained Revenue season pass [ __ ] [ __ ] up the game industry for at least four years mixing all the other [ __ ] too whatever excuse you want but I think the business model changed and it [ __ ] up the development cycles that we were looking forward to and that's what hope you need someone to fail Xbox needs to fail a little or Sony you know hopefully hopefully maybe the PS5 Pro just flops and then maybe they readjust and maybe they recalibrate but it doesn't look like that's what should be focusing on game and their IP not [ __ ] putting out a system that could that's built in that's a road map thing the hardware guys are working on the ps6 right [ __ ] now against your your hopes and dreams that they're not going to do it so that leaves us to like the final uh we didn't say our favorite systems well yeah I want to finish with that but I I want to kind of just circle back to like are we yes or no getting a new Xbox system this year feels like a okay last question on that since we talked about Sony Microsoft are we going to at at the very least get an announcement of a Nintendo switch 2 yes this year oh no I I don't for the holidays I don't know Announcement by the end of the year is yes or no so if they did it it would launch in the spring spring summer I don't see the point if it's not going to come out before Christmas then why we're in the we're in the the final phase of the year so yeah we're on the last quarter so they're going to want to ramp up marketing to sell you on holiday uh it's like a super short notice like hey next next Generation that's what I'm saying like are they are they are they willing to kind of fall behind because now you're like the topic that we spent majority of our night on here is Sony and PlayStation 5 so we we haven't even like scratched the surface on like Nintendo like they're kind of out of sight out of mind right now so uh I don't know I think Sony is just on their own H sorry Jesus Nintendo's on their own Nintendo's on their own clock they're on their own timeline I I appreciate Nintendo for this we talk a lot about 4K 60 Fram per second D D D D D does that bring the level of immersion that a good video game well you're asking the wrong person he doesn't play Zelda is that the one thing complaining about gra 60 frames per second you're talking to a graphics horse sitting next to you he won't Minecraft guy I just I I'm okay with games with and Nintendo does not compare graphically to anything and they haven't for a long time so here's you want a game for kids a system for kids then Nintendo is great it's not for kids there's no kids that there's no legitimate realistic looking war game that you could play on Nintendo a 5-year-old kid cannot beat tears of the Kingdom tears of the kingdom is by far one of the that's a game that you look at and go I can't imagine imagine it was in 4k with phenomenal Graphics hyper realistic that's my one problem with Nintendo is like they always don't do and stay on par with these here here's the thing though like I said this the other day at work I was like what if and humor me yeah what if Nintendo came out with the most powerful console on top of having the best home Library I love that I think that would be that games like could you imagine they would obliterate the competition my my thought process why haven't they at least tried that once they don't make games that need that their games have never been they could they could I would but they could think they hyper realistic Zelda that looks like an Elder Scrolls and I mean they could they could go like really into the depths of like I don't want to see link real I want to see Pixar level Zelda either way I mean either way I want to see like regardless they could do worlds that you wouldn't like unbelievable like scale size that's and the the the amount of innovation Nintendo does put into each console release like if you look how much um the Nintendo 64 innovated with firsters you know thumb stick that's the first time we had an analog stick on a console in Mario 64 which is funny that I I actually am playing I just finished Mario 64 on my switch I got all 100 I got one all 120 Stars I completed it holy [ __ ] I have 30 but damn yeah great quote from Phil he said limiting your resources forces creativity and Ingenuity and Artistry definitely that's why we got some of the best games I think they know that I think that they they kind of know like we're never going to be able to compete on that graphic superiority level so we're going to focus on making a different kind of game that mostly appeals to kids or the children you know you know what pulled me in we I I say the word immersion a lot I feel like I say that word when it comes to video games because I don't think graphics necessarily leads to immersion it helps it helps Grant Turismo and and race Forza there there's certain games where Graphics help with immersion but to me the one thing that Drew me in with the switch was when I Paris sailed off the uh the first part landed by a tree saw the tree there was apples in the tree I ran up to the tree picked up the stick I whacked the tree and the apples fell I was like oh that was cool then I went over there was this there was like a torch I went over to the little campfire and when I put the the torch near the campfire the stick lit on fire to me that that's immersion there's just something to that there's a surprise and Delight you expect it to happen but in a lot of games it does not happen a lot of games don't go through the painstaking detail to make sure the physics work properly with that would actually work H's testicles Shunk hor balls and that's detail one of the problems one of the problems that Nintendo has it's a pit full of Nintendo Gam games is that they are still doing this [ __ ] that they were doing since the Nintendo 64 where like Animal Crossing where it's like if you want to cook [ __ ] 10 meals you got to cook them one at a time and every time duck duck duck duck duck woohoo here's read the menu I just cooked something whoopee you're just mashing the button to get through menu menu menu okay cook make the next one wooo read W congrats you have to do it over and over again there's so much stopping and reading and [ __ ] it it just it takes me out of the game sometimes where I'm playing these games and I'm like just [ __ ] cook 10 at a time why do I have to read every time whoopee I caught a [ __ ] seab bass after the 700th SE bass I don't need to [ __ ] read it anymore I got the point just show me the animation speed things up a little bit and that's one thing that drives me that's what Nintendo games is they still do that [ __ ] to this day and I like a little bit of reading in games I think that's good for like kids I think Nintendo 64 did more to make literate kids than [ __ ] anything at that time because all the Mario games you're reading what they're saying to you and I kind of miss when you had to read what they were saying and now everything's voice lines but then again Nintendo games still don't really have any voice narration or acting it's usually and then you're reading what they're saying and they just and it link doesn't talk exactly you just hear and they still do that you are you are link they have a reason behind it but yeah it's they always have a [ __ ] reason behind it but you know you're Mario and I guess you're everybody else to the limitations because you can't do all the lines of dialogue it takes up memory takes up space Tak it also allows you to develop faster because you don't got to pay all these [ __ ] voice actors of voice these games and you can really you can really focus and hone in on just making a quality gameplay experience where where where you know you know Rockstar to a point is more like a watching a you know a liveaction Pulp Fiction it's a it's a cinematic experience as well as putting you into this outstanding immersive open world but would you pay $4.99 for a premium switch Nintendo system not you're saying not the Next Generation but just an upgrade to Nintendo switch no like next gen the next version I'm talking uh like a switch that you could Dock and it's 4K 60 on OLED how much would you pay would you pay $4.99 yeah but what what am I how how is it going to be on par with a PlayStation 5 is it going to be less more like slightly like where am I cost well that's the thing cost and the pricing because you can't charge me $500 and it doesn't even match the PS5 or Xbox series X CU those were $500 right so you can't charge me why is it $500 if it cannot if it doesn't have the graphics process that charge me that that exact the answer is why Nintendo will not do it that they know that they just don't think Their audience is going to pay $500 I think that because of 3350 price tag I think because to your point Sony misled on what the graphics capability of a PS5 was Nintendo doesn't want to get stuck in that little game they know how intense 4K 60 is they know the demands and they're like we can't do it in a way where we can get parents to buy this for their kids I got a great question for you guys more so for you guys because you're more on the Nintendo train is Nintendo hamstrung by the notion that they need to make all of their systems portable and something that you could take with you to work or or to school are they hamstrung by always needing to be portable I I don't think they're hamstrung because that's their choice they've always been but you have to make things a different way you have to make things compact but it hasn't always been that way like when they came out with the Nintendo 64 you your comparison to that was a Sega Saturn which is a 32-bit system and the PlayStation 1 which is a 32 bit system more recent thing but I'm just I'm just saying at that point Nintendo 64 was the most impressive console because it had golden ey it had perfect dark it had conquers it had Mario Zelda like it had all those games and then they [ __ ] it up with the GameCube they put a handle on a [ __ ] purple box and they gave you a mini disc and then then the [ __ ] that you were playing on Xbox is not even [ __ ] close and they never bothered to get into the online space of competitive you know friends list and multiplayer and achievements and all these things multiplayer still they're still way [ __ ] behind they're like 10 years behind on the online element of like what they can kind of do like imagine just jumping in on a headset and getting in a party playing Mario Kart playing like you know all these like Smash Brothers like you could technically do it but there's so many barriers in the way that just make that experience like feel like it's dated back until like 2001 when I play switch online anything I try it it feels like I'm playing Socom and plugging in my ethernet cable in the back of my DSL connection it takes forever to link up uh it feels purposefully dated limited dated limited but again if I'm paying $500 for a new Nintendo system I want all that stuff service the justification in my mind is this Nintendo is targeted for children you know the the demographic wise Mario you know it's it's for kids in a sense right we grew up with it as kids and now we're [ __ ] you know pushing 40 big kids big kids for parents Nintendo's safe it's known as a safe brand it has a certain um there are guard rails a lot of violence to protect the kids and when you expose kids to party chats I don't know if you've been in a Grand Theft Auto Lobby recently Call of Duty with the new sneak up behind Madden what do you hear when you're in those things is it all friendly and like what's up buddy right it's not it's a real piece of [ __ ] dirt bag stuff and I think it's smart for them because it keeps their brand really [ __ ] safe I think it absolutely protects them that's a good point that's a really good point and that's what Hells just said imagine Modern Warfare 2 chat on a Nintendo system they can but they don't want to deal with moderating Phil had a good uh response he said I don't think they're hamstr strong I think ham held is the future also the Japanese Market is mass mobile just to clarify what I mean by hamstrung by by sweating by having to be mobile is that look how just just an update Rob did fall into the toilet Rob died chatted in [ __ ] goddamn you [ __ ] every time I'm about to make a point you [ __ ] make me think forget my train of thoughts shut the [ __ ] up yeah but how much better run to the [ __ ] Litter with you [ __ ] every time I talk one of you [ __ ] Cuts me off tonight yeah but how much better is it now that you're going to go off on us no it's not better cuz I [ __ ] got a Bluster cuz I can't remember my [ __ ] point godamn it Nintendo look how [ __ ] big the PlayStation 5 is look how big a [ __ ] PC is look how big the even the Xbox is and when you make something that's got to be portable now they were clever and they were Innovative and that they put it so that's it's a handheld thing and you put it on the dock and now it plays under your TV and it's a complete experience me I never play my switch on the go I always play it at home so the benefit isn't really I know you guys have brought it on the go you've brought it to work and stuff like that so like I get it I'm not saying there's not a place for a handheld I think what Sony was doing with the portal was a good way of addressing that if it could become more reliable where your beef is still at home on your console I'll tell the switch and Vin will relate to this uh I got it so when my girlfriend's playing her PlayStation on the TV I can grab the switch and still play video game absolutely you can do that with the PlayStation portal now though too I do I do it with the portal I AB do it with the portal here's the here's the thing though you know what well I guess you got to make it a certain way where now it's got to be smaller and you know you could travel with it so now you're making sacrifices is what I'm saying I agree I agree but for us when you get home if you were faced with the choice of do I get on my Nintendo console or do I get on my PlayStation console you're faced with this we your computer probably what do you do right you're like do you do you go to your Playstation do you go depends on the time I have like a lot of times lately if I have like maybe 15 minutes I just grabb them my switch and I sit in the couch and I play I grab a couple of stars in Mario like I did that probably the last two months took me three months because I slowly I didn't like breeze through like Mario 64 I got a couple of stars each day kind of just milked it maybe did like a world you know each day and really enjoyed it like I really like it just goes to show you that still to this day it's one of the greatest games ever made because at 2024 I could still go back and still love it as much as I did when I first played it I put it on my top it's really my top it's top five on any list any anywhere my first playthrough right you know as as an adult that's my real first playr of 64 and once you get the 120 Stars you get the you get the the the the lift to go to the roof to see Yoshi yeah oh that's cool damn why'd you tell me that you never seen that I'm just kidding that's it's been 40 years spoilers um I I think another part of uh this this equation is as we said it's a little bit more for kids it's nice when it's uh you know let's say you're dad and you want to watch sports and then you I don't want my kid using a damn TV you know I don't want a TV in their bedroom really like give an there'll definitely be a little there'll be some C offs with stuff like that because I know how uh you know I love Nintendo I will always the only time I I was against Nintendo was the Wii I just thought it was stupid Wii U I didn't want to get up and stand up start flailing I got work out two hours a day in the gym I'm not getting up and [ __ ] playing tennis I felt the same way but a lot of people love that [ __ ] playing tennis and bowling at like parties people people like parents people who don't get exercise that you know don't [ __ ] Super Mario Brothers uh I think it was two or maybe it was just Super Mario Brothers on the Wii here here's what took me out of Nintendo for a whole generation whole me and Yao beat the whole game together and side by side Twilight Princess killed Nintendo for me first generation because I bought Twilight Princess and I was super hyped for it because when Wind Waker came out everyone was initially disappointed like oh this looks ridiculous it looks like a baby Zelda with cell shaded graphics and then obviously when you played Windwaker it's one of the greatest games of all time fast forward a few years later they finally give you that adult Zelda in Twilight Princess where it's a mature Zelda it kind of looks graphically superia it's an AAR of times yeah and then it was like the last game before the GameCube went away and it was a launch title for the Wii so what I did is I played half of it on the [ __ ] uh GameCube and then traded in my GameCube for a Wii started the game over again and realized after about a half hour of having to do this to shoot a bow I don't want to play this anymore right so I actually never got to finish Twilight Princess it's one of the only zeldas that I never finished and I I regret it because it's one of the best zeldas but the Wii took me out of the [ __ ] game I'm not going to sit here and play a 70-hour game and like I'm just not doing that luckily Mario brothers did not do that it was just pure handheld um funny enough I wish they would do a Zelda collection like they did with the Mario collection I'd love to play aquarena of time I mean you can Nintendo pass you can pay them all no but he's saying that they they reased like a package pay 80 bucks Sunshine they should do that like just a trio I think uh ocarine of time Wind Waker Twilight Princess and Twilight Princess would all go together right sure I think that that would be some good questions and and then um comments rather and then there's still a question that we started the whole PS5 conversation it's fine Rob is here though he's we can wrap it up and talk about like our favorite Sony consoles after he gets to the comment I I oh [ __ ] oh go ahead well so we have uh we need Rob said we need Microsoft to let rare put out Donkey Kong 64 and battle toads Double Dragon I'm ping out Donkey Kong it's a [ __ ] Nintendo license yeah he says it every week but they should do banjo Kazi want conquers conquer bad for to the another one uh Phil asked if Rob's going to play the division the new one uh but I wanted to mention because uh we got some varying answers to what I was saying about whether you play your your switch on the go or at home hell said I've never plugged my switch into my TV whereas Rob said I only play my switch on my TV yeah we know so it's definitely like a you know definitely very have an olded switch so it looks a lot nicer handheld uh but that's neither here nor there all right back to our final topic to wrap up and put a bow on the PlayStation topic favorite uh I told you Playstation 2 for me um Grand Theft Auto 3 middle Gear Solid 2 um middle Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater middle Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater um PlayStation 2 I probably put more time in Socom one and two y than the time that I put in in every single game I played for PS1 PS3 and PS4 combined and you had different games it wasn't just so I love Socom and I played Socom more than any of them and SOCOM 3 also um but you also had Medal of Honor we still had the Medal of Honor games we still had uh you know I mean I guess we still get Ghost Recon I'll dare to say that that is still to this day like it's tough because you can go nostalgic and talk about six Nintendo 64 PS1 blah blah blah but if you look at like just the competitive Spirit of like that generation of Xbox PS2 and GameCube Cube man we just were swimming in like amazing video games for years great games not just great systems great games we also had the Tony Hawks games oh God those are so fun a lot of good Tony Hawk games on PlayStation 2 PlayStation 2 is also on the Sony series the first to have online right so I remember getting online for the PlayStation 2 had I remember the PlayStation 2 had so many like mods that you can get I had a hard drive installed in the back of my PlayStation 2 and I had had this thing called HD loader and I was able to rent games from Blockbuster and then save them on my PlayStation 2 and play them all you need to do is put this disc in the games would be saved I'll tell you like a surprise and Delight moment and a moment where like it's not pertaining to Graphics it's just a pertaining to like a enjoying like a medium the first time you put a DVD into your PS2 it's like I'm living in the future now right Matrix Matrix like I'm not playing on VHS anymore I got a [ __ ] DVD play they died that day they died you had a lot of different modable type things as I was saying I remember playing all The Sopranos I wasn't talking I wasn't in the middle of [ __ ] talking you [ __ ] I'm going to [ __ ] lose it tonight three years we've been doing this [ __ ] show and we still talk over each other before I finish what I'm saying you answered the question already [ __ ] 20 minutes ago when did we get the answer this [ __ ] question had to talk about the PlayStation 2 what do you mean I didn't you took the D again you answered before you said PS2 is your favorite you [ __ ] R why you told us why just cut that's all right go ahead cut you off see only Joe can interrupt you and then [ __ ] say you interrupted him I'll B the [ __ ] middle talking about my [ __ ] ability to save games on the hard drive which was [ __ ] awesome you also had game shark still you had action replay you had 45 memory cards remember those oh yeah the different [ __ ] memory cards that you can get there was so much like I don't know like accessory type [ __ ] that you can get for the PS2 whereas stand the vertical stand that was the thing oh yeah you need a stand for that I always had it on you didn't need it but it it was the blue yeah all the blue and purple kind of charlot hornet a lot of cool Innovative controllers that you can get on the PS2 that all died with the PS2 analog stick there was none of that on the PS3 that's when it stopped we all these like cool open modable things uh kind of died with the PS2 yeah then uh you agree PS2 best uh Sony console or your favorite I should say you didn't have a PS2 right yes it is they sold it for Xbox one of them I thought no no no no first of all PS2 was probably the most you had a PS1 yeah PS1 uh so that story is uh my my buddy's older brother had like a Japanese PlayStation one or whatever he his dad got it like so there's PlayStation and then there's PS1 do you know the difference PS1 was the little guy the little one I'm talking PlayStation tin OG Square gr box you know not really PlayStation an evil you're not talking about the PlayStation mini CU they made a PlayStation mini also and we cut off you we're talking about the same thing he was just talking and telling you his reing you just sto and cut him off you said don't you ever go over my head again you [ __ ] I'm ask asking you to clarify cuz I are you talking about the PlayStation was it the mini or are you saying there was another system there was PlayStation and then there was something called PS1 that came out like this big I think it looked like a a [ __ ] Sony Walkman yeah it was like a round roundish very very small slim very cool it was a good it was remember that nice little thing even the PS2 slim was [ __ ] dope I didn't I didn't get one uh P anyway PS1 was like holy [ __ ] Resident Evil 2 was like I would watch my you know even the first Resident Evil I yeah I didn't see that I feel like I kind of dud just happened to jump it again I didn't only I was only exposed to it because I was probably in like fourth or fifth grade I was I was pretty young when that come out and I think he had it in like August or July so we were I was seeing that stuff in in the middle of the but I don't think it launched in the US till November of of that year okay anyway the PS2 hype unmatched I've never been more excited for a console the magazine when they launched when they dropped the magazine that had the first images of it and the games they were PlayStation magazine official PlayStation magazine and had the they showed it to you on the front I went everywhere with that magazine I had it I just was obsessed they showed you could twist the the PlayStation it was just I could not believe it was going to happen they had a fancy name for the processor they were using it was in cell it was something else they had a really good name for it I was hyped I knew everything about it I could not get over I could not wait to have it I could not wait to possess it it was the beginning was the first console released in the era of eBay which made it [ __ ] all the more worse to try to get and I tell the story at nazie I'm not going to tell it again but the toys are Russ random visit these [ __ ] roll a youo bang it's right there so EB Games no memory card November didn't get a memory card October November I had to wait it was like a month you know until Christmas and my mom hooked me up with like one of the again it was like the Matrix the only thing I say about PlayStation 2 that hurts is it was the death of Sega yeah right because that's the PlayStation one right no Dreamcast came out 99 1999 my birthday oh [ __ ] and then PlayStation 2 came out October of 2000 and just [ __ ] old everybody's [ __ ] on the Dreamcast even kids knew you don't get the Dreamcast I mean that was the end of Sega and it had it had online multiplayer first everything it had great football gam best sports games not even close it's it's so odd Sonic Adventure was great but it's like it even though it being better couldn't was it the controller what was the controller was weird it had that memory and you had the like a tomagotchi inside the controller it was just like right it weird they just did not have the IP past like uh Sonic 2K and fantasy Star online was big for them in the beginning but they had like their um Sega branded you know first party games what killed Dreamcast was no third party support that was the death of the Dreamcast true and I think there's a story behind that I think Sony locked up a lot of developers on [ __ ] absolutely I think it was was a business deal and they murder they murdered them Phil said and also mismanagement by Sega Sega there's a whole documentary about it like how did the death of Dreamcast yeah um it also the other game that kind of comes to mind uh about you know this is impossible was definitely Grand Theft Auto on PS2 Grand Theft Auto 3 PS2 it just didn't seem real it just didn't seem like I was like I've never experienced something like this it was just so mindblowing yeah walking in the middle of the street and hijacking a car and then running into a building jumping off a ramp pulling up to a hooker window getting the hooker all the guns fires I have moment and and then the voice acting in that game like it it was just unparalleled only other game I would say is onar with that was Metal Gear Solid oh that was such a good one and I have more celebrities in GTA more celebrities but GTA felt like where metal Gill felt like a video game kind of portraying a movie but GTA felt like a you know B Reynolds was in reyns B Reynolds was in one of the GTA games and uh he was apparently like a real [ __ ] and like just had an ego and they kind of learned like we can't go with these Hollywood actors because they I remember the big hype of Samuel Jackson on San Andreas was like yeah and they couldn't get they would need they wanted to do rewrites and Welcome to the Jungle trailer from uh Guns and Roses that was insane Andreas Vice City had Flock of Seagulls And VI City most hyp game of all time I don't think there's ever been a game more hyp because because GTA 3 was so good and then Vice City was like oh my God and then the song for GTA 3 the commercial was that the Opera song yeah old school Mob song so yeah uh we're all agreeing PlayStation 2 PlayStation 2 I mean PS3 was like I said the Dark Ages I think4 would be your pick was strong it's man Nostalgia glasses dude Nostalgia you know how do you beat the paradigm shift to GTA 3 and then Metal Gear it was just a such a I read a whole article today Bloomberg put it out saying exactly speaking to exactly that why a PS5 Pro just can't impress is because especially for us we went through polygon [ __ ] we've been through it all we've seen every step of the way and it's going to be very challenging to create that same feeling or do something that's so different new and un never happened before never saw it before in this era it's just not us anymore right us I mean maybe because I'm old and jaded and maybe there'll be some new you know kids there's new experiences to be had when it's not the same CH because a kid today if he's 5 years old and he's playing video games for the first time he's playing like unbelievably looking video games so how how much better are those video games going to be for that kid in 20 years as opposed to where like 20 30 years ago we were on you know 8 bit now we're on like 4K 60 frames I was think so we get like holy [ __ ] this is crazy I was reflecting on that a little bit because I was like it won't be that big of a like it won't be Graphics that do it no it will be Ai and it will be interaction and immersion happening in a game where they'll be you know right now you play Starfield you play cyber punk I think cyberp Punk's the best example of like really clean dialogue and like interesting conversation back and forth and the way the NPCs work is pretty you know decent but they're still on Rails it still has this feeling of M Choice yeah it's just kind of it doesn't have a natural I just I kind of I if they're able to wield it in the right way I just think that will be something that leads to a level of immersion that you'll be like almost like caught off guard at how responsive the NPCs are how [ __ ] like oh [ __ ] like they really reacted to what I did it wasn't a canned thing it wasn't scripted moments one of the reasons GTA still hands down one of the best games ever unscripted moments the engine they just let it go they let us do what we want and we get to make it what we want it to be so I think that can be something that makes gaming feel Next Level beyond the graphics I think that's what maybe we're waiting for and don't know it all right so that was a long y before Rob is here Rob is Rob is here in the comments uh if not physically and he said I hope the OG PlayStation and PS2 in the same regard so Rob is uh Rob is tied between the original PlayStation and PS2 this is surpris understandable um so we talked a lot about video games uh last topic of the night it is Friday the 13th I thought we would talk about uh and review Beetlejuice right and then talk about maybe our favorite just me and you horror movie character uh of all time um I know you saw it and and I know you will never watch it probably beatle juice Beetle Juice the sequel to Beetle Juice that took 30 some odd years 34 years to make was in my opinion the worst movie I have seen in the last 25 years [ __ ] terrible okay okay it was horrible got you I I snoozefest not even Michael Keaton was good in this movie as Beetlejuice there was nothing he said that was like memorable or or laugh out loud funny or there's nothing you can quote on this movie years later were like you bunch of [ __ ] losers you deal with a [ __ ] professional ha like scary be scary you know it had zero Edge no Edge no no pop no no no Edge Edge it was like it was like a Disney like version of like Beetlejuice it just didn't have any like I got to be honest yeah I holy [ __ ] went with so disint so dis and she was too my girl like was terrible she love she on my birthday we went even worse terrible I would say I feel like it was a movie meant for kids or something but that's not what Beetlejuice was when we were kids and and it was almost like oh I don't know if I should let my kid watch this maybe the humor was over your head almost I didn't understand that was probably the first [ __ ] I might have ever heard honestly because I don't I don't I I laughed every single time nice [ __ ] model dead yeah you can break your VCR on that one I rewind rewind bro every time rolling on the floor so with that being the Benchmark yeah this movie sucked a two out of 10 and I think it be in my opinion like a a fun Halloween movie for your kids not even it was just not watchable like I will never watch that movie again it was just true really bad there was no scenes there was no memorable like nothing the one thing that struck out to me was like uh Danny DeVito was in a cameo and he made like a noise like the penguin did in in Batman Returns because it's it's you know Tim Burton and it felt it felt like that yeah he gave us like a little bit of uh you know that movie felt like uh Tim Burton just want to get his friend his wife Gib his girlfriend was in it and her her character had no purpose there's no purpose in the villain in the Monica Belushi was that her name yeah it was like a separate movie why was this happening what what do we even what is the threat here I don't understand and then at the end it just wraps up with the sand sand those cameos and and I was like Dam you know why the one guy was cut out but you look forward to Michael Keaton as Beetle Juice that's the that's the draw here right and I know and I know that I know that Michael Keaton was like the allore for Beetle juices he's not welcome back he's not on the screen that much and that's what makes his scenes impactful and memorable but even the scenes that he was in and on I have no recollection of them whatsoever they were terrible I I did you see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice no I'm not playing on it you're not going to miss I have to worst movie I've seen in theaters in 25 years sheesh it is it is a bad it is a bad movie that's the shame is that that's like his second loss recently because he was in The Flash and even Michael bigger though like Beetlejuice is a very be Beetlejuice is what were the two things that Michael Keon was known for in the 9s Batman and Beetlejuice and both [ __ ] bombed beetle juu is one of those movies that it's out of nowhere it's not based on anything pre-existing nothing it's very like Niche it would never get made today no it would never get approved to be made well clearly it did and it's terrible no no I mean the first movie I know I know what you're saying but I'm like there's reasoned I don't think it was that edgy the first the [ __ ] when I was kid it's so subtly so subtly edgy it's so it's so like when he's like let let can we ask you some questions can you be scary and he fucking's like can I be scar [ __ ] jerk off you know he just he just subtle he's always he tickles [ __ ] the girl while he's hugging Hermano oh you know he's just Ed there's an edge and a perversion he's rubbing the girl leg in the [ __ ] it's very perverted there was zero and they didn't allow for any of that nothing I don't think we survived that crash they killed Bob they should killed Bob I like Bob why did they kill Bob they killed Bob for no purpose it served no purp it just died and then then just I thought it was hilar the one movie the one scene where I laughed was when the big [ __ ] ran out and they they were running out of the house going all different directions it was just a quick gag but again and I I was sitting there going this is for kids man they really dumb this down for like and again like pussification for kids like yeah oh we're too scared to off I don't even think kids would like this movie cuz it's just they don't even know what it kind of weird it's a little the only reason a kid is going to watch it cuz maybe their parents let them watch the original and they're going to be like what the hell is this [ __ ] B true true it's like doing a Nightmare Before Christmas sequel just don't need it gra start 30 years ago you know so I I yeah I really put a sour taste in my mouth in terms of like movies it was I was hoping it would be fun and funny and they they super stoked when it when they released a trailer for it and they released like a you know that's why I'm worried about The Goonies uh I don't they should leave that the [ __ ] alone I me it's like it goes back to what we were talking about in video games it's like no wants to see that they don't have any original [ __ ] ideas anymore everything has to be a remake A remaster a prequel a sequel I don't think it's for the last Ghostbusters was [ __ ] terrible watch on HBO I was like oh bad didn't even see it I thought you guys like that one with the first one was afterlife was decent afterlife was the new one that came out ice ice whatever something I don't know I Ice Baby I think it's not for lack of creativity because I I wouldn't say that the world's the world's full of [ __ ] [ __ ] because the people in power the movie studios are so fearful giant vaginas to end up trending for whatever reason cuz every little moment can be frozen can be taken out of cont can be you could do everything to manipulate and make something seem more outrageous than it is p and then the reaction the reaction I'm going to go back real quick because the PS5 Pro thing everyone just wants to react and get their little opinion out we're sitting here on a [ __ ] show that we put money into react you know everyone's doing this so there's just this [ __ ] lens that is impossible to elude or evade and that be will not allow any kind of dangerous they're just such [ __ ] stale stagnant [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah soft they're not willing to take the risk to see something new yeah so I think that's the problem I think someone laid it out recently on an episode of hot ones really well they just had Vince vaugh on there right because he was doing an apple show where the [ __ ] is he been and they exactly they asked uh so you know Sean Crashers loved it why yeah he goes so then era of comedies you guys were just old school Wedding Crashers you know Step Brothers you know Vince Von not being them but he rattled off the ones that he was in and Vince Von gave a great answer and it was very much in that same vein these people are are scared to do anything that's going to offend they don't understand the humor they don't understand what makes people laugh the people making the decisions don't have the humor to understand they're just suits they know we're going to go in we're going to do Beetle Juice Beetle Juice it's going to bank this much money it's going to be the off box office I'm going to get my bonus I'm going to get my 20 mil b b and they wash their hands and they move on they don't care about the art they don't care about the actors and the script and the actors are willing to take the payday we're in a dying age of medium we're we're in a yeah we're in a strangulation of of creativity what is the what is the waking wake up here like when is it going to will it can can it ever recover people finally stop going going to see these things and stop paying for the subscription services and that's not going to happen it's not going to happen can I make a a Counterpoint though kind of different what wasting B just getting ready to interrupt before I'm going to start talking so [ __ ] we need the SP and I'm already forgetting now what I was going to say [ __ ] no well so here's the thing too there is a certain point where a lot of stuff has just been done already like okay so if you're going to make a a movie that takes place in the future oh Blade Runner you know or if you're going to make something that's been done in the old west how many times has that been done or if you want to make something uh you know post-apocalyptic oh well you know that's Mad Max or or Fallout it's there was a time where like you could make new stuff because it hasn't been done before I feel like a lot of [ __ ] has been done how many new environments or settings can you create I'm not saying it's not possible I'm just saying it then you you run into the problem though well now you're going to get sued because this movie is too similar to that one meanwhile that's how stories have been told for Generations they've always SP and [ __ ] all the classic movies that we've never seen have are constantly ripped off Gladiator in the 60s they came out with two movies like a year or two apart from each other Rio Bravo and Rio Grand and they were same [ __ ] movie and they both starred John Wayne and one had [ __ ] uh uh Dean Martin and then the other one had somebody else and it was the same [ __ ] movie twice so I don't want to hear complaints about things getting remade not yesterday this is another part someone walks in your office I'm going to paint a slow picture here someone walks in the office and they go I got this i got this idea for comedy funny movie it's gonna be a guy who's a pet detective right and he's got to look for this dolphin and snowflake he's gonna run into XYZ they're never going to make that [ __ ] movie they're never going to put they're just not going to do it because they don't want to take the R they don't understand it they don't get oh we're going to insert this guy Jim Carrey and he's going to carry the whole [ __ ] thing in point when's the last time like DreamWorks came out with a [ __ ] animated movie now we got Despicable Me four but that that's actually a good point that bring when is the last time we had an emerging star come out of a and build a franchise from like one new Innovative IP like Ace Ventura right ace fura gave us all these other movies you know it's a sequel that's a top 10 maybe even five sequel movie well what I'm saying is that SP spun off like you know liar liar and dumb and dumber and you know all these other Jim Carrey movies and there was that whole era of Jim Carrey Chris Farley Adam Sandler movies and now you don't have anyone coming up Chris frat you want to know why well where but where's the next Jim Carrey where's the next Adam Sandler like where's the next uh you know Eddie Murphy like I I was watching the Beverly Hills cup it was bad it's just I turned I watched maybe 30 minutes of it I was like this is terrible you it's it goes back to the risk factor where did Jim Carrey come from do you know and Living Color who did that the Wayne's Brothers right they let the Wayne's Brothers run a show on Prime Time [ __ ] Frid he was a stand-up comedian before he was on a Living Color but he he was he got his he got his break Living Color right and that that Dirty Harry was allowed someone who said we're going to do this Pet Detective movie right this guy yeah they were like yeah I think they're not no one's willing to take the risk to do In Living Color well my the other thing is like when's the last like huge breakout how much racial humor is an un Living Color tons you know what I'm saying there's a edge we we are lacking Edge it's not creativity it's not lack of inspiration it's the people who make the decisions will not allow there to be anything that is perceived to be edgy people there's a swath of [ __ ] [ __ ] waiting waiting behind the keyboard to just Title Wave the [ __ ] out of anything that seems I don't knowes are considered they're offensive for other people that they aren't by that logic it's almost like the death of Comedy for for now yes usually pulum swings tired usually with everything I I don't subscribe to that I don't think it's as when's the last time you went to a comedy movie I mean there when's the last time I go to movies for those movies but what I'm saying is we went to see wedding Crushers we went to see Austin Powers we went to go see like all these [ __ ] movies old like we went to the theater to see these movies and we looked forward to them you know the last one was probably hangover you know things like that again one's the last breakout star for Saturday Night Live that spun off into his own character and made like his own character into movies and things like not at the rockberry things like this like we don't have who was the modern day Adam Sandler we don't have it Chris Pratt is who is our CHR Pratt is not a comedian say well I'm not saying that he's a good but how could you compare Chris Pratt to Adam s they put him in [ __ ] everything and he started off on theice Ro you're [ __ ] Jim Carrey cuz the rocks and everything they're not [ __ ] comedians we're talking about it's not it's just not tangible I don't I don't buy into the and also uh it's funny uh Bill Burr who's my favorite stand-up comedian he's [ __ ] hilarious and if you watch his shows this is not a problem you know he's he's still funny comedy yeah but he's not as he's not as mainstream as I'm I'm not talking about that I'm just saying Bill Mah tried to pull like the oh you know this cancel coach is killing comedy right he's like no it's not shut up like we can still tell jokes it's not that serious like it's not you know it's not that I'm not talking about standup comedy stand up comedy will always have Executives who sign off on million doll [ __ ] movie Bud exactly right it has nothing to do with the comedians or the people NBC is is n taking edgy people onto SNL they're not allowing the writers to be edgy there's limits there are guard rails on every Edie Murphy would stand outside the building and tell jokes that's how he get on the cast and he left after for a year he was like [ __ ] this place cuz he made more money in the [ __ ] two movies so good it was like they threw him out there to do a close because they they had to fill time um I'm just seeing like the insane amount of like talent that came through the pipe on those shows that we don't have like they were almost like the training grounds the NXT uh if you will of like you know Comedians and and something that you can make a improv like [ __ ] you know Wayne's World um [ __ ] Austin Powers like all those movies that you know Matt Damon has a very good explanation to this question uh there's like an interview uh that came out this year sometime recently where he talks about how much more profitable it used to be to make movies because then you not only had the theatrical release but then you could look forward to the DVD release and that you would still be getting paid years later off of this stuff where now because physical media has has died Off streaming services who have a choke hold on the industry Netflix Amazon and [ __ ] you don't get anything for streaming on Netflix if you're actor you get pennings it's like streaming your music on Spotify and apple well the main actors will get Frac of well they get deals up front they get up front money they don't have to worry about residuals really right but to to and again the res so I I it's a combination of circumstances for sure but I just think that there is Def Beetlejuice Beetle juu was a bad movie cuz it lacked Edge it wasn't it didn't have the elements the first movie had that made it good was the same uh like writer yeah Tim Burton Burton salute Tim Burton I was so hyped and excited like the first like 10 seconds of like they they showed like you know the intro with the music and I like oh this is going to be good and then Danny DeVito came on like oh this is and then it's just like I fell asleep and in like 30 minutes in it's like this is what is this like and the other mistake that that movie made is they just panned to beat juice in a random scene you're not supposed to show him until you say his name three times right [ __ ] that up too did they show the shrunken head guy though yeah all was that was that funny they give him a good little shine it's just not it didn't have any weight or any like substance to it it was just it was an empty [ __ ] shell of a [ __ ] there were there were certain things out it was like a G-rated [ __ ] Beetlejuice not even PG like it was a G-rated [ __ ] kids Beetle Juice most of the original cast I mean Gina Davis what what movie has she made in the last she wasn't not him and her and Al Balwin not Alec Baldwin's wanted because he [ __ ] shot somebody in a movie set the father you didn't need any of those people all you needed was Michael Keon that's all you needed it doesn't have any of those they that family dealing with they had the mother they had woda Ryder that's all they needed W ryer Michael Kon you don't need anybody else and Wednesday Adams there now [ __ ] J Ortega Orga yeah she's great I thought she was you know great for what was doing in the movie I thought it was interesting with the [ __ ] kid and he's dead I was like I called it right away when they didn't show the parents like face oh I called him she crash cuz uh cuz the way he popped out what is this [ __ ] guy doing in a treehouse right away and then it was like oh they won't care about the fence I was like oh it's dead and then yeah they go inside and you don't see their faces I was like oh they're he's dead anyway it yeah it it it wasn't funny and edgy and didn't have the elements make that giant [ __ ] zero giant [ __ ] zero I enjoyed it just to you know whatever with my girlfriend and watch it but I wouldn't be watching really ever again zero um so Rob we were talking about since it's you know Friday the 13th like who is your all-time favorite horror movie character could be horror movie it could be like a universal monster character but like everybody gets one choice no honorable mentions one choice wow that's it you don't get an honorable mention no honorable mentions we [ __ ] cuz then whoever answers first answers for everybody else you got one choice that's going to happen bosi Dracula we're going to get through BOS bosi Dracula and he has the same birthday as me B when did that come out 1950s old 1960s you don't know what bosi is bosi no I knew it was old youever see ab and cast stro is Dracula yeah yeah I just forget like when came the original uh Universal monster movies you know Dracula Frank Stein wolf man he's the original Dracula why is that your favorite well I mean that was like my intro my mom was huge huge Universal monsters movies um Frankenstein was okay he's probably my second but I yeah and then the L Cheney fan movies are fantastic like they're really great even a man who's pure of heart and says his prayers night I become a wolf when the wolf Bane blooms and the moon is full and bright yeah those are great movies too but I was raised on those and and Bell Lugosi was like you know I loved his his I used to have the little glow the dark Universal monsters I still have them love them you know they're building a whole uh Park dedicated to that at Epic Universe oh I got to go yeah it's going to be a whole thing dedicated to the original horror Universal horror but that's to say not as an honorable mention but it's even though Bel Lugosi is my favorite dra like you know character of like monster movies I will say that my favorite horror movie though is the original Halloween oh amazing that's my favorite like Halloween like I every year I got to put on the original Hallen and that segue is like right into me uh my answer is Michael Myers and my favorite series would be the Halloween series and I'll tell you a quick story about Halloween and like growing up as a kid in Brooklyn we would have like um these uh spooky I guess you call them spooky walks haunted mansions there was like a haunted neighborhood that we would go to every year and it would just have a massive amount of people there like a huge think of like a parking lot full of like people waiting online to go into a concert and we would just like try to get close to like the front of these houses that had all the decoration and then they have people like in character dressed up as like Michael Myers or Mama Bates or Freddy Krueger things like that and there would always be like this frightening fear in my stomach and I'm I'm like six seven eight years old like they would have one guy dress up as Michael Myers and he would walk around with like those plastic uh knives that when you press it in like the knif retracts but he would have like uh like um make believe like blood like fake blood and he would put that on your face and it was just such a creepy like feeling like it made me feel like I was in an actual Halloween movie you know like Michael Myers movie so till this day like I just have such great fun memories of like that uh and growing up and going through like you know corn mazes and spooky walks haunted mansions I love all that stuff I love Halloween it's my favorite holiday I love Universal monsters it was a big holiday for me my mother would get all the decorations out as soon as October 1 hit and we would have them up for the whole month all the little you know posters and paintings and streamers and you know orange and black balloons and things like that and every year we'd have a Halloween party my mother would go ham on on the you know the trick or treat Bob Apple bobbin pin the tail on the werewolf all that stuff stuff so U she would make like a witch's brew and we would have like you know make all the trick-or treat bags for the kids and we would just go all out and you know go trick-or-treating and you know shaving cream when you got a little older and stuff like that but I miss those I miss those memories I miss having that you know now it's being afraid of something being afraid of something and just having that like that fear of like oh [ __ ] like I don't like he's scaring me he's he's actually like bigger than me and he's scaring me now it's like [ __ ] nothing really bothers me but yeah but yeah Michael Myers by far my favorite character one thing I think you I think helps with uh stuff like that is having kids because when you're living vicariously through them yes it now at our age but it's a different you'd have to jump scare the [ __ ] out of me you'd have to kick through the wall and oh I agree I I hate I hate the um you know what I hate the really you're talking about the old neighborhood and everybody kind of joining in together to put on this show uh you know there's like fear of each other and this divisive fear scared of each other the C full of crack cocaine but one time in one place it might have happened once like and everything's extrapolated into every we hate each other CU one thing the same thing you just said about movies it's the same nobody's giving away their drugs for free it's and kids aren't trick- or treating like they used to either my streets used to be packed I can't remember the last time someone knocked on my door I got full-sized candy bars and I couldn't give away a whole [ __ ] box I'm talking like an 18 pack there was so few trick-or-treaters nowadays oath 2003 we were out and droves still and I was in high school yeah we were out in droves with toilet paper loaded every street [ __ ] eggs shaving cream we were going nuts but you were also [ __ ] getting major Halls of candy you know and they was over sto trick or Trea when I was 11 everybody need to get I I trick or I was old as [ __ ] stopped at 11: I would be going when I was like 15 to 16 like yeah know I'm 12 you know I just wanted the candy too much there's too much of the known now where before it was like the unknown that made it like kind of like oh what can happen to me if I go out on Halloween night now it's like now you know what could potentially happen with you and it'll be [ __ ] uh videotaped on camera yeah it's like nobody wants to [ __ ] like do that some people um I remember I remember really fond uh memories of in Old Neighborhood Massachusetts there would be uh huge huge gathering at my friend's house his mom would go all out my mom would go all out when I was a kid M but his M the whole [ __ ] neighborhood was going all out at their house Sal has to be nuts around Halloween Salem is [ __ ] annoying on Halloween but you know uh yeah it's cool to be there just a day it's over I would give anything to go back to those days just just to it was a hell of for one day just to happen my mom always put on the the Halloween even having a video of it which I uh you know I miss going shopping too for the Halloween decorations and the Halloween costumes I miss like you'd always do it like in September like right as like they started putting out the decorations you try to decide what you want to be one year was Dracula one year was Freddy Krueger one year is Jason one year is you know you had now it's like we got to be in before Sundown when people just go to their buddy's house and get wasted and they wear hor costumes and [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] when I was a kid we went to the Roosevelt Field M child element Halloween anymore remember mall shopping where they were doing the candy because of the the big candy scare I remember we went to the Rosevelt Field Mall when I was a little kid it was a it was a uh Halloween 1992 and they had Michael Keaton Batman in the mall doing an appearance and [ __ ] and kids can take pictures and that was like right at the time I was I was dressing as him I'm pretty sure I went there dressed as the other thing about Halloween is it became less about being spooky and scary and dead and and you know monsters to being what's funny haha that's that's a great outfit which I'm guilty of it you know I like a good funny outfit and then you know the girls it's like how [ __ ] how hot can they look as uh you know sex dead nurse again I bring it back to like not having children right now so I think that's a big part of our generation probably has the least amount of children out of any ever before us so it just you don't have that opportunity where you want to put that on and like put on the spectacle I think that's a I think that's part of what's missing is is being able to live vicariously through versus we're not repeat my childhood but I can at least offer we're not carrying over our Traditions from our parents to anyone right now right so it's just dying with us well Loser recipes it's it's so it sucks so uh to answer the question uh the one that I think about the most or the one that scared the living [ __ ] out of me as a kid nightmare stuff I would have nightmares Freddy krer Freddy [ __ ] Krueger man when a Freddy Krueger guy would pop out in Halloween and like run up the block the knif terror pure white fear kind of like the Wolverine you know but worse cuz he infiltrates your dreams God he was yeah you so vulnerable to Freddy Krueger and going to sleep as a kid yep that's the hardest thing you're scared of going to sleep you're like I'm never going to wake up or whatever paranoia you have as a kid so it was just playing on the worst kind of fear you could ever have psycholog I [ __ ] remember watching I remember it was like taboo for like the kids to go to a Nightmare on Elm Street movie where my mom would like rush out of the house with my older neighbor who was like a couple years older than me and she would like go with him and I would always be like [ __ ] furious because I was like 5 six years old like I want to watch this and finally you watch it like in the middle of the night when they're sleeping you take the tape out from underneath the couch um but yeah like those are memories like I would give anything for again I remember dude and those movies were like you know you watch them they're so bad now whatever Halloween still holds up Freddy Krueger was krer it was grainy you know it was like he was funny more than anything he Wasing around a lot he was and but the new nightmare one was really [ __ ] that one had me shook for years as I was in like fourth grade or something it was like new night Freddy's New Nightmare oh first 3D movie I ever saw in the theater too Dream Warriors the crack in the [ __ ] ohd glasses dude and then also when the blades come out of his stomach when he's sleeping oh yeah remember that and then they killed the girl like they did in the first movie by dragging her up the wall after to cealing that bleeding her out totally I was [ __ ] up my mom was like you watch the scary one time my mom played a trick on me worst she played the worst trick on me ever so in my old house we lived in a in a three-story house in Salem and there was a middle the front door had a corridor and a staircase that went up but we didn't use that it was blocked off we had the first floor the landlord had the one above us and his daughter had the third probably right around now now maybe in this season or something I [ __ ] got home I was with a friend we were wanted to watch Freddy Krueger we put it on we're watching it on [ __ ] VHS my mom yells from the bedroom I'm like what get up go go to the bedroom she's gone that's weird run back into the kitchen I'm like ah go outside like PE and I'm young I'm Pro this has to be like fourth grade look at outside she's nowhere she's [ __ ] totally hiding but I am so like immersed we're like Midway through the movie complete Panic dude I [ __ ] crying my neighbor came downstairs and then my mom pops out like a dick and is like oh I'm sorry she got me stone cold so good and I'll never forget that cuz I was like traumatized in that moment because I was so bought into the movie I was so parents would never do that today the too much of a [ __ ] [ __ ] my mom always they're still [ __ ] with the kids and recording it look at all these [ __ ] videos of the Grinch you know breaking into Christmas and then the kids I love those videos I love those I live for those they like run like SC draging the [ __ ] tree out of the house when they actually really do some damage and they're like taking some you know running out with the gifts I love that [ __ ] trying to fight back and [ __ ] it's so funny yeah Chris what's yours well I I do want to just say Michael Myers had the best music I mean you know that that song no other horror movie has ever been able to have such an iconic uh soundrack is that now we' moved on to the religious stuff it's more religious like [ __ ] terrible yeah yeah well no now it's also a lot of like it's a documentary like it's shot like it's an actual Paranormal Activity type Wich project wi type stuff I remember everybody being terrified when that came out like it's it's real um so I do have to say that I mean I was going to go with uh Freddy Krueger it's different too because because you have different types of of monsters you have the slow silent you know Jason uh Jason Vorhees maybe I mean like he him and Michael were silent I would say Jason had the best kills like Jason's kills were [ __ ] he was like superhuman strength you would watch those movies for the kills as you got like as an older kid but they're very similar Jason and and Michael and that they both wor the mask no but Michael Myers the original Halloween you never saw him kill anyone like right because it was uh what what was it any it wasn't even like him right wasn't it somebody else no it was him but like you wouldn't see blood you wouldn't see like the actual cutting or decapitations or anything like that like he would just it was more about suspense it was more suspense I'm [ __ ] I'm mixing it up cu the first Jason movie it wasn't actually Jason it was to Friday the the first Friday the 13th the mom was the killer Paran but then Friday the 13th 3 was when they introduced Jason with the hockey mask yeah sh when I was a kid Jaws was a horror movie oh probably the only one that competes with the music considered a horror movie I didn't want to touch the floor I wanted to jump from like the couch to the other couch don't touch the floor floor is lava there was a lot of smaller horror movies too like I don't know if you guys ever saw Basket Case Of course People Under the Stairs so many people never saw basket I would spend Friday nights at the videotape getting the cheesiest shittiest [ __ ] horror movies yeah there were some pet cemetery People Under the Stairs Gremlins but Basket Case [ __ ] me up a little bit cuz I saw that [ __ ] when I was like four or five years old my brothers made me watching Razer Razer [ __ ] up yeah there was wish master was another one if you wish Master Exorcist is a [ __ ] phenomenal movie Le was when I first saw Basket Case is the first time I saw Chucky I mean little if you don't know if for those who don't know basket case it was like a conjoined twin that was removed from his brother and he was like this blob with sharp tee puppet mask you ever see lived in the basket and there's one scene where he's like [ __ ] flicking the tit around yeah it was the first time I ever saw a tit yeah it's always one of those I didn't understand was that your was that your topic like the first time you saw something you shouldn't have hold on I didn't even choose my guy yet you said who did I say I'll stage that I was going to go with Freddy I didn't choose him I thought I thought we weren't doing honorable wies you gave us three already I didn't give you three I just said you guys were talking about six other movies I said you ever see Basket Case that's not you said Jason You Said Fred you said maybe Michael I would have to I was going to say Freddy but just to keep it different so I'm not choosing the same thing Vin went with um but Freddy [ __ ] with your head so that was that was what was different about it was psychological played on normal situations and [ __ ] turned it into hell I will go with Jason because Jason you know it was just like that tragic tale of like the the the young kid you know he's bullied he was like you know I guess uh he was special and they bullied him and he drowned in the lake and the the want for revenge and I don't know how he went from this you know slow weak kid to this giant monster I superhuman hell [ __ ] yeah I mean he's dead know he he always comes backck sh sick [ __ ] he always comes back um and then also I had to say too the video games for the Friday the 13th I mean when me and Joe like first became friends you know when I first met Joe around about um that was one of the games we would play together we play that Friday the 13th game but not for the one for the NES cuz that game is terrible the one no the one from the NES back in the day I played when I was a little kid and that [ __ ] scared the hell out of me I can see him walking with the machete right yeah dude that was like a classic game that had a a cold F blood splatter what was it splatter splatter house house spaugh house on uh turbo Graphics splatter house splatter house sorry splatter house on turbo Graphics was Friday the 13th like Jason VOR he [ __ ] and you were Jason awesome but that Friday 13th game we had a lot of fun you know trying to escape from the map and then they they unfortunately chainsa Massacre is pretty good not as good one there's a uh I think it's uh something something uh yeah no um oh dude oh you [ __ ] said that and now I you know what [ __ ] I'm not doing the honorable mention but nobody mentioned them and you can't not we can't move on to the next subject Leatherface Lea face totally forgot about Leatherface that [ __ ] scared the [ __ ] out of me I did a book report on him dad my dad ruined that movie for my Uncle Joe cuz my unle Joe said this is the scariest movie I've ever seen he showed it for my dad you know my dad sometimes they just make him laugh for no reason and it was the scene where the truck driver comes out and he's like all tough and [ __ ] and then he he and the guy's eyeballs pop out of his head he jump and my father got hysterical laughing to the point where my Uncle Joe he said he ruined his your dad your dad looks at movies like this though I just shoot him I just [ __ ] turn shot F talking for sh everything I've ever seen him watch he's just like you turn and shoot I don't like Supernatural he's Undead it doesn't matter if you shoot him you [ __ ] well I don't know if leace was Supernatural was he he wasn't but that was also what made him scar he's based on a real guy Ed gain who [ __ ] he would he would uh Rob Graves and face do this type of [ __ ] he had the first Facebook Jeepers Creepers je creepers is another good honor that was great movie for you know and all the great like zombie movies Day of the Dead Night of the Living Dead Dawn of the Dead Dawn of the Dead Evil Dead the M right that was Evil Dead to Army of Darkness was always freaky zombies always [ __ ] you up it's not even to mention games like Resident Evil I mean honestly those were always the most scared that I would get was playing like the Resident Evil games more than any other horror movie could ever was pry Silent Hill yeah I mean [ __ ] Pyramid Head you know I wouldn't play any of those games I was like was so weird Resident Evil 2 had jump scares it would you know the liquor jumps through the [ __ ] interrogation room [ __ ] window and it just scares I [ __ ] oh yeah those [ __ ] the first time the crows break through the glass in Resident Evil one [ __ ] myself oh and you find uh you find uh your F your dead friend I don't remember who it was you find uh one of your your friends dead the there what about Final Destination I never really cared for I still don't like driving behind trucks with logs everyone always remembers that yeah first what cuz the plane crash the playing on all those fears they're playing all these key the Scream movies the Saw movies scream was another one I was thinking about because was like at the time in the in the '90s that was the biggest thing ever but it was almost like a parody of like what we loved before that like scream was like playing on your love for those movies that were kind of like not giving us anymore were mixing and then they started remaking like Rob Zombie remade Halloween the first one was good after that it was it I Know What You Did Last Summer also and then there was just like that stream of like shitty horror movies which scream was scary because it was psychological was not scary scream was scary because the guy would call you up and he would be like ah you know he would be [ __ ] [ __ ] with the girl the first scene to scream is crazy the opening scene yeah the first the first scene with drewberry Mo that's wild that was that was a crazy thing but then it became like comical with the two kids and they're in it together and it just got so that's one genre that hasn't really suffered and like lost it [ __ ] high school cuz like it didn't have the supernatural element you look at like terrifier and stuff like that they're still very edgy like horror movies it's not like comedy where it's like suffered this like blow where like people BR guys horror hasn't skipped a beat you know what I was thinking you want to watch a good zombie movie The other thing that makes Jason and in Halloween and those early ones really like honestly it was the first time you were seeing that kind of violence on film and tits and tits yeah blood and and Gore and death and murder and a way Crazy soundtrack hey the Toxic Avenger was the first time I saw tits oh it was yes well we've all answer when the first time he oh that had to be uh Desperado good Des I still have a huge crush on Salah because of Desperado I if she SE nipple in that I seen tits in that one are you kidding me straight up [ __ ] her in the scene and see the whole tit [ __ ] body was amazing I'm going have to watch that honestly wiin scene hired her so I believe it I'm thinking of like uh was the Vampire movie she was in oh from D Dawn she was not naked in that was naked SE was naked I got to looked this up got to watch Desperado again I watched that movie with my grandmother for the first time don't tell she's like don't tell your don't tell your mom you watch this that was one of those Melvin the M that was also my first DVD ever was Desperado went to the whz they were they had a big blow they were closing down and we got our Blu-ray player for mock down uh not Blu-ray a DVD player and uh we ended up getting a bunch of DVDs and I convinced my dad I was like can we get Desperado it was like Antonio bendas with pistols on the front cover so my dad's like yeah sure I was like [ __ ] d i I do have a wrap up question I know we're want we have a couple comments say we want to do the comments yeah and also I was just to say why have they never made a Bloody Mary movie Bloody Mary was [ __ ] terrifying as a kid used do that for Halloween I used to believe that [ __ ] I would go in the bathroom alone and I would I would [ __ ] they made was czy they made Candyman yeah Candyman yeah Carrie was a [ __ ] Carrie those are Christine [ __ ] me up dude that Silence of the Lambs yeah hey Rosemary's Baby is fantastic Anala hanbal lecture The Shining R baby shining Shin such a [ __ ] well obviously we're uh we're going into the Halloween season here so we're definitely getting in the mod here uh from the dungeon said did you guys mention leprechaun somebody mentioned leprechaun um Urban leg Leprechaun in the Hood tits HBO like oh the leprechaun's on it Chucky no he said Chucky that was another [ __ ] up skinx uh and then Phil said uh I watched The Witches when I was four and it killed me I don't think I ever heard of that one I remember watching the Spawn movie on TV and then like when it ended it was cuz I enjoyed the Spawn movie but then after that it was a movie called the dentist and I started watching it that [ __ ] me up and I was like I can't finish this movie I remember being a kid when that came out that was an HBO one yeah that was a weird movie that gu and that no he like cut the kid's like mouth and he was like bleeding and I'm like that's it playing on my fear of the dentist too Dr Isaac yankum well we were kind of touching uh upon it before but uh you know there was that point in our lives where we were we were all younger and we so desperately yearn for that Nostalgia so that brings us to our final topic of the day which is what is a TV show how do how do we word this I'm going to [ __ ] it up TV show when you were younger that your parents for or movie I guess or a TV show I was thinking to frame it up really easy the first like forbidden movie you watched as a kid like a movie you knew you weren't supposed to watch and you know you watch it with a friend at a friend's house you you know whatever there was just a circuit you went to a movie with a friend a movie you just know like oh I'm not supposed to watch this parents were like you're not you know you're not seeing that [ __ ] say movie and TV show you know it doesn't have to be sex or you know whatever whatever yeah violent right you know so again the same answer would be uh you know uh Melvin the mop boy and uh Toxic Avenger tox Toxic Avenger there was sex there was blood there was guts it was kind of like a goofy kind of movie but like at the time it came out I was I was probably five six years old so um not supposed to watch that watched it late night while my parents were sleeping and uh it's also like different because as a kid like my mother would let me watch whatever I wanted as long as I was with her not porn but like I get she would take me to Freddy after a while like after I begged her for a while like we would watch Michael Myers and Friday the 13th together we would watch all the universal monster movies together like all that stuff my mother was big into Halloween so she never like pulled me away from watching movies that I shouldn't but if you're talking like pornos like I don't know no not pornos porno like I mean something that's like forbidden I I guess like my mother wouldn't want want me watching that at like that age but then talk about the age of like you know illegal cable and we had all these you know channels like spice Channel and HBO Cinemax andr Playboy channel and all these things so um that would be my answer for like a forbidden thing but I I would almost say she probably didn't want to W want me watching um Toxic Avenger at like 5 years old but right right I have a a funny story for this so um TV wise South Park I just remember specifically one night too no I mean I watched it I love South Park the movie is it or just the show no no the show KY I just remember one night specifically too where me and my brother used to share a room and we were watching South Park and Chef breaks out into song about you know When A Man Loves A Woman Like he starts like breaking down like you know Isaac uh what was his name Isaac hay and he starts you know like I think I might have even been like suck on my uh chocolate salty balls and Chef is like oh my God they were grooming exactly now put in your mouth and suck them The Grooming but I could see why you wouldn't want your kid watching this and I remember hearing my mom's footsteps get all of her weight was walking on her heels just bump bump bump I we me and my brother H her and very quickly we we switched it back to Nick at night and three thre's company was on thre's company too and my mom knocks on the door bum bum bum come on knock on we open we were like ready for we open it up hey what's up and she's like she looks at the what are you guys watching we're like laughing too loud we're just watching Three's Company and she's like yeah thre she's like she was so caught off guard by it and she kind of laughed she's like oh yeah haha I remember thre's company yeah that's that's a funny one and then she [ __ ] walked out of the room and we put it back on and I don't know it's just one of my favorite little memories of uh you know meanwhile th company has a lot of undertones too but yeah South Park at the time and now it's weird because my nieces are starting to watch it and it's like you got Randy put his balls in a microwave and now they're [ __ ] he's got to carry them around in a wheelbarrow and it's like I don't know you know it's it comes full circle you kind of see how uh maybe you wouldn't want your kids watching this [ __ ] they don't P they the thing is with kids like going to talking like Beetlejuice you're not perceiving it in that way you don't even understand some of the humor and the undertones cuz it's just not there not fully you don't you don't get it at all right it just doesn't click the chemicals in your brain are not there yet to be like it's just funny cuz he grabbed his nuts and made a honking noise Hong Hong Hong Hong it's just funny cuz it's the noise fact he said [ __ ] it was like that was myv by far one of the first [ __ ] I ever heard or when he's tickling her he's kind of he's lifting up her dress you know he's doing you know did you guys ever see Drop Dead Fred oh my God love no panties when Reigns in dreams I can't she squashed my head bro that was one of my all-time favorites I can't believe you said that my mother me try to that's so [ __ ] funny uh so my my movie that like I I was watching and I knew I should not be watching it it was just like too much I was probably I had to have been five or six because we were still here on Long Island I was at a friend's house and it was Terminator 2 that's right Judgment Day it was just come at me if you want to live but I vividly remember I was telling the guys before the the little town carpet with the streets doing Matchbox cars we were doing Matchbox car that guy just died and he had [ __ ] a you know a TV with a VCR built in give me your boots your clothes and your motorcycle now probably yeah still to this day you know my CPU is a neural net processor a learning computer you know how good that movie is my dad despised going to the theater didn't want to do it my mom was always the one that would take me to the movies and we saw everything together like everything Ghostbusters to Rocky Batman Ninja Turtles everything but the one movie that he wanted to go see because of the hype was terminat too and he loved it how and my my dad was a hard cell because he was older he was much older than my mother at the time my stepdad this is um and he would like you know black and white movies he' like war movies but like the one movie he always loved was Terminator 2 movies great movie the immersion of the movie is another word you believe it it's happening there's nothing about it where you're like oh it's not even the robotic when he pulls off his [ __ ] skin and they show the arm it just looks so [ __ ] real that was when ilm and computer generated Graphics were at the Dawn at the very beginning liquid metal it was the most incredible [ __ ] thing ever seen on screen especially when those now you watch it in [ __ ] 4K HD you can see all the little gaps but whatever back then seemless so believable there's nothing in that movie also kind of like a horror movie that nuclear coming you know you when that bomb goes youone not wearing SPF a000 is going have a real bad day I I say the I don't mean the word forbidden like I just mean like oh you you know I'm not supposed to watch there's too much cursing there's too much you know vience guns my mom was like on top of that stuff she wasn't like oh and especially when I was again like five years old it was it must have been 1993 the movie came out in 91 or two I probably around that yeah so yeah it was on VHS so it was definitely like he just had it scooped it couldn't have been 93 cuz that was Jurassic Park it had to be like maybe a year or two before it 91 I'm feeling like it was definitely in that that 92 like cuz I was young young I was like 5 years old I was on you know you're on like a play date you're at your friend's house and I just vividly remember I think July 3rd 1991 I got it right again oh wow what a weekend for a [ __ ] box office before I was born yeah T2 so before we uh get to Rob we just throw some of the other mentions in the comments there cuz from the dungeon had a good one he said uh porkys por you know cuz that one's pretty pretty runchy right uh and Phil dumpy said uh biodome and or Wild Things Wild Things We just watched Wild Things the other night we were playing uh Harry Potter Monopoly and we put wild things on the background on Netflix and my girlfriend got really mad when Denise Richards and N Nev Campbell were [ __ ] and got naked hell yeah the whole point in the movie she's like you you're staring like you're a little kid I'm like [ __ ] what do you mean look at her Denise [ __ ] this is like when I was like prime time it like 12 13 I don't even remember now what what year did that come out 96 Ben Wilder was another one that was like really runchy for the the time that it came out well Fast Times at r m high is the first time you learned for my generation Fast Times at Ridge M high is like the first time you figured out about sex and you saw like sex someone lose their virginity some you saw boobs for the first time you saw like haing broken VCRs yeah so I mean if you've never seen that that's an alltime like classic that's on Long Island oh yeah I'm like 99% sure it was like California though I I could the way they framed it up it felt I I forgot what actually get said cuz he goes into like a 7-Eleven I could swear he says something that I had to i' had to check back thought it was Califor they talk about surfing and stuff so oh right that's true there's surfing all there is yeah what's uh what's your forbidden thing that you washed uh against maybe your your parents best wishes I mean it's tough to pinpoint something I mean I remember I used to watch like Ren and Stimpy and like duck man and [ __ ] with my dad my dad was really cool about watching [ __ ] my Mom hated all that stuff so like my my dad was like the free pass to like kind of watch the raunchier TV shows that probably shouldn't have been watching but as far as like like truly on my own like my parents didn't know like neither of them I remember one night I was like having trouble sleeping and I went in the living room and I turned on the TV and that was when I first discovered Cinemax had had stuff later on oh yeah and I remember like I don't know if it was like taxi cab confessionals or one of those shows God remember that was that real sex but that was like that was the first time like I like caught something like on my own CU my parents were always like on top you know my dad always lived in the living room watching and [ __ ] it was like first funny but I still that that took me back cuz we we brought up the conversation boner anymore boner I Haven in a long time boner dude I mean a boner man you got a boner son got a boner used to be put on 68 and it would be like Scramble Play but like for if you kept watching eventually all of a sudden it would show you the picture and be like purple and like green but it's like whoa tit C that free internet free internet the best had first thing you did with the internet download Sunny and Sable kind of along these lines though um I do remember when I went to Blockbuster and me and my friend had already rented conquer's Bad Fur Day which we brought up earlier [ __ ] and it was crazy it was a great game it was a little runchy but it was a very fun game like it was pretty much banjo kazui in a sense it was a rare game I believe and then we tried to rent it again like we returned it and tried to rent it again and the [ __ ] guy I remember his name he worked at Blockbuster his name was Morris this [ __ ] was like this game is restricted that's how his voice he had like a list he kept telling my friend's mom this game is restricted it's not for kids and my friend's mom didn't actually care but she felt like this guy was like putting her on the spot and making her look like a bad parent so she didn't let us get it but then like a week later she ended up like just letting us rent the game but I just remember like that was the first time I encountered where there was some [ __ ] gatekeeper that was trying to me out board Warriors yeah well no I mean he's doing his job it's true it was a mature game can't get you play pay him extra to [ __ ] just sitting here in your Ser sh the game is plus 17 but you remember that you would go to GameStop like if you were getting a game like that I just want to play some Dungeons and Dragons they would rattle off a speech to your parent like if I remember my friend's mom went into bias uh I don't know if it was Grand Theft AO at GameStop and they literally gave her a speech are you aware that this game has nudity blah the government got involved the [ __ ] hot coffee had and they would have to say yes coffee they would have to approve the game yep it's crazy the government was no putting their noses in that well that happened like long before hot coffee and Grand Theft D started with uh splatter house on the turbo Graphics cuz Moral Combat too splatter house they created the ESRB for was Mortal Kombat Splatterhouse was the first game to have animated blood in it before Mortal Kombat and then yes when Mortal Kombat came out uh the Super Nintendo version did not have red blood in it that was a nogo my mom my mom Moral Combat that was off limits that was one I could not get over here my mom wouldn't give me the co must heard about come on and then my [ __ ] step brother came over with a Super Nintendo and we played the [ __ ] out of like but it wasn't blood on that one the Sega Genesis version had the blood oh okay oh I think I was exposed to a lot of [ __ ] prematurely because of my older brothers I'm the youngest so I was seeing [ __ ] that you know I should show you stuff to see her reaction right right exactly there porno mag you know whatever the [ __ ] you know that that probably goes back to where you probably would look in the candy Stu and you had the porno mag section oh you would kind of peek just oh oops I thought that was a comic book oops oops and then they start yeah when you would go to the candy store like they had a whole like porno mag magazine collection some open the lotto Place really that going a lot yeah more like those places put in yeah but sometimes people would open them and then you'd be lucky and you find the cuz Larry Flint and the whole war with the penthouse in the Govern created a big thing about that so they started putting him in that black sleeve you could just see the face people versus Larry Flint another great movie Woody Hon's the man in that a good one does he play Larry Flyn harson plays Larry Flint so good Harvey ad p and then uh kirco Bane's wife there Courtney plays his wife it's actually it's a really good movie it's a fantastic I love you Larry I love you too you crazy crack hooker another we going on a three hour show here jeez yeah well it's always good to talk about you know the old I don't have to be up early tomorrow so I can hang out a little bit longer you the fortune I had a good flow earlier yeah You' were gone for the whole conversation so Rob Miss PlayStation but uh right through the toilet day it was nice nice not living until you have water a squirt your R and then you don't have to wipe some Jesus all right take we are we're uh we're apparently living like cavemen over here because everybody else around the world says day I'm telling you you know toilet Pap greatest one of the greatest things I ever [ __ ] got you day too yeah oh yeah got to get I'm telling you get a [ __ ] tushy does not sponsor our show you ever want tushy man these guys it's great we're should [ __ ] up their ass you know it's clean there's a certain confidence that comes with knowing you have a cleaner [ __ ] than anybody go right into that so before you used the bedet when you used the caveman toilet paper as you pronounce it when you wiped did you stay seated or did you get up and then lean do you think we going into why we got to finish the convers we had such a good talk about [ __ ] to end the show talk about how we ourselves brought 1% female demographic is tune out no but I'm saying like there's weird people out there who can stay on the potty and wipe while they're on the potty and just hunch over break your back you got to stand up I can't do that H you know there's no way maybe the B maybe the Beday is the way I don't the day is the dude I'm telling you get one get one and take a [ __ ] a half hour my [ __ ] cleaner than yours we want to finish with this comment help all right guys this has been the break room podcast where everything's random and the conversations just go into complet different places Lees and I had to go you know the [ __ ] three hour [ __ ] block hour hour [ __ ] I [ __ ] I thought I was done and then I had to sit back down on the bowl hour Skipper all right guys this has been the break podcast please hit that subscribe and the notification button and please tell your friends we are so close uh we're we're just shy of 8,000 and uh maybe I'll do a special Vegeta uh video when we finally get 9,000 and we'll get Joe to dress up like Nappa I don't know going to 10,000 next how's that we're going to get him to dress up like NAA I'll be Vegeta it's [ __ ] fantastic but this has been the breakroom podcast thank you so much for tuning in snoochie bis and May the force be with you 3 2 1 oh my God you table and the computer just shook it is uh no one was mad that you the go anywhere what the do I do with that yeah and the M Madness and the hul Mania on top of that you're the best friend store of all time so I absolutely adore you being the cream of the crop yeah let's go idiot you have no idea what you're fing talking about God they were saying Sony apparently said that the PlayStation 5 you the end every pixel of the game engine into the face can't that Dallas um what you know when that's like part of my Christmas