Truth About Lauren Chen, Dave Rubin, Tim Pool, and Russia News, w/ Dave Aronberg & Joel Pollak

what do you make of my summary of these allegations and how troubling do you find them troubling and I think you're spot on Megan especially when you're talking about Lauren Chen you know Lauren Chen was pretty normal for a while and then she started taking money from Russia apparently around 2021 and then all of a sudden she started complaining about the influence of Jews in political life and APAC and how they were controlling the agenda what sounds like projecting to me right the whole dual loyalty thing all of a sudden she started being one of the more prominent anti-semites on social media so I have no sympathy for her and hopefully she'll be held accountable in all this uh and you're right to call her out as far as the others you know I I I worry about like with Tim P for example he was issuing broadsides against Ukraine saying Ukraine was the biggest enemy of the United States you're wondering where did this come from well you have to wonder you know was he a useful idiot for Russia I I they uh the government said he wasn't a Russian agent they didn't indict him for anything but they're sort of accusing him being useful idiots Where They are promoting Russian propaganda now all of a sudden I've seen social media where he's backing down from that and saying well you know I've switched on Ukraine I don't know if that's real or not but it's really suspicious and I'm glad the government's doing this and that they were unafraid to do this this close to the election I'm actually a little surprised because mer Garland is not known for his courage he's known for his timidity and here we are with this and for those who think this is political they could have indicted people perhaps if they really wanted to get political they did not you were correct Megan how you phrase this so it's it's an important issue it is troubling and we should all be talking about it today as you are but before I get Joel's reaction to that Dave is it it's very odd that Lauren and her husband are not named as you know to of the targets to the indicted uh defendants so and there's no way the government doesn't think it has the ability to do that against them if you read the indictment they're really among the the top villains and they make very clear that they believe Lauren and her husband they they have him dead rights they believe on knowing this was Russian money and that they were acting as agents of Russia and that they were hiding it from the podcasters so you tell me as a DA what do you think is happening behind the scenes here because those are like the only two who haven't issued a statement right well that is telling that could mean they're cooperating or in discussions to cooperate um I don't know if they've been issued a Target letter the feds keep things could they have been indicted could they already have been indicted secretly and cut a deal to work with the feds they could have cut a deal I think that a secret indictment is unlikely I I think that they could have cut a deal yes the feds are uniquely uh private about these things this is something that we're different at the state level we're public about everything the feds do work in secret uh but you have to wonder why would they do a secret indictment they would go ahead and they would indict or they would be talking to them if issuing them a Target letter and then negotiating with them perhaps they have flipped already because it is very conspicuous by her silence so you don't need to indict them as your point to get them to cooperate the the the doj the FBI shows up and says you're going to be indicted and here's all the evidence we have against you and clearly they've been monitoring their emails and their Communications for months now it's like they know where this is leading and most people would probably cut a deal because they'd be terrified yeah exactly you know the feds usually get their person because unlike the state they've got really uh Draconian penalties unlimited resources limited Discovery for defendants and that's why they win about 98% of their cases and unless your name is Mark Cuban you're likely going down so it's probably good to cooperate early on okay Joel so what do you make of everything we've just discussed because I'll just say this one thing the I know Dave is saying that like Tim Tim P was chilling on on Ukraine you and I both know that in the conservative sphere in particular being against our involvement our support of Ukraine is not that controversial a position oh shoot you know we're having trouble with Joel all right I'm going to keep it on you then Dave while we restore Joel's connection so it's not that unusual right there are a lot of people who are not shills for Russia who think we shouldn't have anything to do with Ukraine the Republican party in general is becoming more isolationist under Trump and you don't have to think think much of Russia at all to have that position and here's as far as the indictment goes that it reads in paragraph 2 while the views expressed in the videos are not uniform the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with the government of Russia's interest in amplifying US domestic divisions in order to weaken us opposition to core government of Russian interest government of Russia interests such as its ongoing war in Ukraine I mean that is quite a thin read Dave they're not uniformed but the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with Russia's interest in amplifying US domestic divisions I mean you could say that this show is consistent with an a desire to amplify domestic divisions because we talk about controversial things we don't we're not all about unity and rainbows and unicorns like this this seems like a thin read I hear you it's just the content of Tim P he didn't just say you know I disagree with our policy towards Ukraine he actually said Ukraine is the greatest threat to the United States stuff that is so Preposterous you're like wondering did Vladimir Putin write that himself and now I don't know if this is true because I saw on Twitter I don't like calling it the other name but on Twitter that he's now changed his position I I don't because I don't know what to believe anymore if there's it's a deep fake or not but if he changed his position overnight because of that that's also telling uh one more thing on that remember there was that attack on the concert venue in Moscow in March it was an ISIS attack and yet the Russians who were involved with this operation told the folks at tenant to push the narrative that it was Ukraine behind it and apparently some of the folks that were eager to do so so you know that's why it's like it's a little more than just saying we disagree let be specific that's let's be specific I saw that same allegation it's and it's probably the worst the worst allegation in here about what they did but it's not them it's not like first of all I want to reiterate on Tim P because you're saying okay he was maybe he was Shilling but he's not even alleged to have known that the Russians were here like were paying him so there would have been no reason for him to change his pos position to be Pro Russia he may he may have just been Pro Russia he may have just been anti- Ukraine I I think that he was anti- Ukraine and I think he could have come by that and did come by that totally organically without knowing he was getting Russian money that's what the indictment says but here's the thing that you're referring to that does bear some discussion and that is on page 24 and 25 of the indictment uh they write that uh honor about February 14th 2024 one of these Russians she goes by a couple different names but one of them is Helena sudra shared with tennet they don't say tenant they say us company one but we know it's tenant a video of a well-known us political commentator visiting a grocery store in Russia that's obviously Tucker um Helena posted the video on the producers Discord Channel that's an internal that's like how you communicate um in like a more protected way internally as producers at tenant um later that day producer one and we don't know who that is privately messaged founder two that's Liam Donovan Lawrence husband on Discord they want me to push this writes this producer again we don't know who it is referencing this video of Tucker but it just feels like overt Shilling founder two meaning again Liam Donovan replied that founder one that's Lauren Chen quote thinks we should put it out there producer one aqu asked responding all right I'll put it out tomorrow then the next example as another example on or about March 22nd 2024 Helena the Russian shared in the producer Discord Channel a video of the March 22 2024 terrorist attack on a music venue in Moscow which killed approximately 145 people and injured more producer one privately messaged founder one meaning Lauren Chen writing I don't know if you saw it but they want me to post some footage from an attack in Moscow today there's a watermark in the middle of the page that's blurred which looks bad and it's also pretty graphic you can see people getting shot I'll be it from far away that's a very normal producer email to send it's got a watermark meaning somebody else owns it and there's excessive violence is that something we're going to put on the air founder ju Lauren Chen did not push back on the content of the clip but replied in the producer Discord Channel quote I'm not sure uh it's it's a good idea to blur out someone's Mo Watermark then weighs in the Russian Helena assuring the the group that quote it's fine no worries it falls under fair use producer 1 and producer 2 found a video clip of the attack without the watermark and posted the clip to X the next day Helena privately mess messaged founder one Lauren Chen on Discord asking that quote one of our creators record something about the Moscow terror attack despite public reporting that the foreign terrorist organization Isis had claimed responsibility for the attack Helena requested that tenant media blame Ukraine and the US writing quote I think we can focus on the Ukraine us angle the mainstream media spread fake news that Isis claimed responsibility for the attack yet Isis itself never made such statements all terrorists are now detained while they were headed to the border with Ukraine which makes it even more suspicious why they would want to go to Ukraine to hide end quote founder one meaning Lauren Chen responded that she would ask commentator 3 we don't know who that is and and the next day confirmed that commentator 3 said quote he's happy to cover it that's the entirety of getting one of the hired podcasters or influencers to directly shill we don't know who commentator 3 is but it's not Ruben and it's not Tim p and it's not the woman who's been uh mentioned not Lauren Chen but the other podcaster and this person all this person would have known was that Lauren Chen was asking him to push this message and there's not not even an allegation that he would have known it was a Russian request just that luren Chen who brought him into this company thought this was a good angle to pursue that's as far as it goes I think we have Joel now Joel welcome your take on all of this thanks Megan and hi Dave you know I just want to say Dave is one of the most fair-minded people out there it's great to hear his take and I remember watching in 2016 when he came out with a decision not to prosecute Cory leowski over the incident with my former colleague Michelle Fields and we all expected him to prosecute lowsky because he's a Democrat and it's Palm Beach County and he didn't he looked at the facts and he called it as he saw it so he's a real great person to meet here at least virtually oh I think that this is I think this is a case where there are different people who are swept up in this I mean I think it's funny to call people who received Millions of dollar victims you know usually when you talk about victims of fraud they're the ones who lost millions of dollars so you know maybe I wouldn't mind being a victim who got paid millions of dollars but but anyway um look I think they are going to suffer a little bit through this controversy the only two that I know are Tim p and Lauren Chen and Tim P I've been on his show a couple of times I was there last week and he's always struck me as a straight shooter nobody should assume that because he had sponsorship from this organization or that person that he's taking their view he has strong views he has views against our foreign policy in Ukraine and so forth and I don't think anybody could have bought him either way Lauren Chan I don't know very well but I got to know her sort of through X or Twitter back in October where she came after me out of the blue when I said some things about Israel that were pro-israel admittedly quite strident and emotional after October 7th but she was pretty hostile and she was the first influencer or person with any kind of following that I really noticed who was representing what surprised me as a kind of anti-israel strain of thought on the online right you know we've all seen the left explode in the streets and on campus and there's always been some anti-Semitism on the right and the left especially online where people can comment anonymously but Lauren Chen represented this very passionate and quite rehearsed strain of thinking that was very anti-israel she di dialed it back over the months as these mobs emerged on campus and I think she took exception to that but it now seems to me that we have to take every manifestation of some of this online anti-Semitism or bigotry or weird commentary of any sort with a grain of salt because we don't know who's being paid to say what and if that's where this came from if this new resurgent anti-Semitism online is coming from people who are paid to do it I think on the one hand it should make us feel better because I don't think Americans are imately anti-semitic on the other hand we really have to be concerned about how much this sort of thing is affecting our discourse and I think I I think but I think there's no there's no evidence of that there's no evidence I've definitely seen her anti-israel tweets I mean she's been as aggressive as anybody and but there's no evidence there's not even an Alle in here how is that you know that she's she was doing that to satisfy these Russian handlers of hers um the people who are CU she was also making Banks she wasn't making as much as Tim and Dave but she was making thousands of dollars I think they alleged she she made $750,000 in the not quite one year that this tenant media was operating so she was getting paid a lot but it seemed like it was mostly to be pro-russian not anti-israel I'm I'm gonna defend her Joel by saying she came by that one honestly I think she just genuinely doesn't like the you know the country of Israel or those who support it but in any event let me just ask let let me say this okay so I want to get to a little bit of their what the guys are saying in their defense I take your point that they've made a lot of money and there are many people online saying are they going to give it back are they going to give it back well that's sticky because I'm sure they paid people to help them with like I mean Dave was doing this show on viral videos I'm sure he had somebody he paid I don't know where that's going to go but here's what Dave says he says these allegations clearly show that I and other commentators were the victims of this scheme I knew absolutely nothing about any of this fraudulent activity period people of the internet that was the name of his show was a silly show covering viral videos which ended four months ago the doj has never contacted me regarding this matter he put this out last night and I have no intention to comment further this screenshot directly from the indictment speaks for itself and there is there's a explicit um admission by the doj that these podcast did not know that Lauren they say knew and her husband knew and they kept it a secret and misled these guys into thinking this Edward guy his Parisian was really the money behind it and again I can I can tell you myself that's what Dave told me um Taylor Hansen he's another one of the faces he says these allegations are a complete shock uh I want to be as clear as possible I was never directed to report on any topic had complete freedom and control over my reporting at all times I would never agree to any Arrangement where I'm not the sole person in charge of the stories Matt Christensen he's another one at no point has anyone ever directed me what to say or what not to say I would never agree to anything otherwise my videos and streams for tenant are exactly the same as my videos and streams from my personal channels every words from me and me alone Tim P we have him on camera because he reacted on a show today here's what he says in part did you read the indictment it clearly says that I as well as the other personalities were victims we were deceived by people intentionally to trick us into licensing our content to them uh I will add I have a statement about this which you know we'll we'll launch the full segment but uh we never produced anything for them we had an existing show that was already in production that they licensed distribution for which meant that the show that we already produced appeared on their Network that was the gist of the deal so uh there's no one from their company involved with ours their company paid a license fee to broadcast a show that we produce that we run that our employees are involved with and they have nothing to do with I don't know what I mean like politically you're going to see a bunch of Democrats making claims and all this other stuff I can't speak anybody else involved in the company because they don't know what 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