NESTOR CARBONELL on Shogun, Lost + Working with Heath Ledger as Joker

how's it going everybody welcome back to the big thing it's Thursday what an episode we have here today for you we're going to discuss there's been talk of Gambit there's been talk of Blade doing their own movies now uh are they going to do it will Marvel do it and speaking of blade for the MCU it's not even listed on the 2025 list anymore Bob Iger they had this this call and it's not even listed so what does that mean is it over and done with and should it be dunsky but the me of this this episode if you guys have been watching Shogun I finally watched it because I knew this interview was coming up I finally finished it and it is time for us to talk to one of the stars of that show Nester carbonal and if you know if you don't know Nester where you been Dark Night Morning Show uh lost list goes on and on and on and we talk to him today myself and Roxy strier so I'm excited for that one I'm excited for you guys to see it getting a lot of new interviews here're getting a meeting a new a bunch of new people so get on board hit that subscribe button Apple podcast Spotify anywhere podcasts are found we're excited man it's me and Roxy it's the big thing where's Brett you figure it [Music] out what's up everybody welcome back TI the big thing any and it's Thursday what an episode we have here today and I'm glad that I'm able to have this episode with my good friend Roxy strier hello roxan how are you Christian are you excited are you excited for today yeah I'm obsessed with Nester it's GNA be a good one I'm so it's like so weird to be such a fan girl of every guest that we're bringing on but we're bringing on people I love like Nester is so lost is one of my top five favorite shows of all time he just he just keeps getting great rle after great rle right he's got Dark Knight absolutely The Dark Knight is my favorite um is my favorite DC movie ever the TDK Trilogy is my favorite comic book ever uh Trilogy ever I told you show gun's my favorite movie of the year your favorite show of the Year sorry my favorite show gun is my favorite show of the year I told you that morning show every year I come on here and give it as my top 10 I like ride for that show so the whole thing is just crazy CU he's in everything that I love well when they look I've been getting pitched some good people lately and when they said do you guys want to talk to Nester I was like hell yeah and I told you you were like hell yeah you made you made sure that you were available for that one and I'm glad that you were because we're going to have a good conversation with him for sure but before we get to it there's news out there Roxy there's tons of news and the two big stories and the first one I got to get to and there's going to be spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverine at this point if you're watching this show you should have watched the movie already if not fast forward uh to later on cuz the whole the first story is all about what's out there in the news anyway so the big Cameo happened in the film and it wasn't even a cameo these are roles Jennifer Garner returned as Electra Shannon Tatum returned as well not returned I guess I guess debuted as Gambit and not a movie at the show didn't return That's Right Wesley Snipes returned as blade so with the success of the movie and the movie easily going to cross a billion dollars very soon I wouldn't even be surprised by the time that this airs if it's crossed a billion dollars Ryan Reynolds has been very active on on Twitter and saying that not only should blade get a R-rated uh Logan esque film that Shannon Tatum should have his own Gambit movie this Standalone film now no mention of Electra having her own movie but these two in particular Roxy you've seen the movie is this a a good decision to try to get Ryan Reynolds to say hey these two should have their own movies so I have some questions for you Christian go ahead I didn't see blade until last year for real rejects I did a watch along I had never seen uh any of the Blade movies and I was like oh wow these are awesome so I don't know anything really about blade once I saw this movie Deadpool Wolverine and he was there I was so excited because I'm part of the fandom now but but when we came out I heard that there was a big deal because Ryan Reynolds and like that there had been drama prior to they made a joke about it in the movie so I heard the joke I was like huh and and then yeah and then I heard that Wesley and Ryan maybe weren't friendly or fans of each other what can you tell like what's the actual te before I even give my thoughts on Ryan go going hard in the paint for these two well it depends because if you would have asked me this two months ago I would have told you it's it's famous that they didn't get along they didn't really like each other they haven't they over what did anything come out that I guess that that you know Wesley was kind of like the starv it didn't like Ryan they had a back and forth they didn't get along they just just did different personalities right who knows that's what that's what everybody thought the story was for years because that was even the rumor when the rumor start to be well there's going to be a blade in this movie and everybody thought it was going to be sticky fingers from the TV show that was that was the major rumor because they said there's no chance that Wesley Snipes is going to show up because Wesley Snipes hates this dude and he even played to it but the reason why now and whether it's just PR um Wesley Snipes was in an interview and said well that was the rumor that we hated each other and it wasn't true we just didn't we didn't talk a lot but we we didn't hate each other at all Brian texted me and I said you know let's let let's do it and so he's like I don't know how it's going to work he's said but I trusted him and it worked so I don't know what the real story is yeah it's just interesting now because maybe there was some bad blood or maybe there wasn't but now Ryan seems to especially be going be going hard for this he uh instagrammed out said there's no Fox Marvel universe or MCU without blade first creating a market he is Marvel Daddy please share for a Logan like send off uh which is like and then did a whole scroll post of him and the two of them together right and I so he's G him he's given him love he's given and and he's not wrong in where most people when you bring up what started the superhero craze right you could start and say I always say not superhero craze but gave respect to would be the Richard Donner Superman 1 Superman two that that I mean even the tagline was you'll believe a man could fly which he did uh one and two the three and four kind of Tainted that Legacy a little bit he Donner wasn't part of that but then 1989 happens and Tim Burton's Batman comes out and that movie changes the game also and like okay great this is going to be this this is a this is a big one this is changing the game and then the second one I don't love but people did it didn't really taint the Legacy but then mner Brothers didn't like how dark it was going goes to Jo Schumacher route kind of just makes it seem like these movies are just for children we're gonna nobody takes them seriously anymore right so and that was the case for superhero movies for quite a while in the mainstream until 1998 I believe it was when the first blade came out because people always give credit to the X-Men which didn't come out until 2000 um but it was blade and it was this rated art Marvel film that blade was part that Wesley Snipes did it was the first one and it was phenomenal I remember being I remember watching that movie and everyone was just people were dressing up as Wesley Snipes for Halloween so yes I understand it I mean I and it holds up it's such a Vibe it creates an entire like mood um and he does such a great job in it and I I get completely why uh people love blade that doesn't necessarily mean that the best thing for Blade is to have him come back uh and prior to watching Deadpool and Wolverine I would have thought no I don't think that that's what's best but then in Deadpool Wolverine I was like wait he lesle like more than still has it I want to see more of this and how I kind of feel where the people are coming from yeah but here's the issue and this is where cuzz that mindset I agree with right but and then let's start with let's start with chanting Tatum and Gambit first and then okay so no I feel the opposite about Gambit and chanting Tatum it was because real quick because I want to because because I'll jump back to the reason why I want to put a hold on this is because it's going to transition also into the story of what's happening with the new blade right so that it could it could combine both of them so hold that for everybody Channing Tatum the story behind this was that for years they were trying to get this is during the height of the comic movie boom Marvel is is kicking us every movie is making a billion dollars and chatting Channing Tatum was up for this movie wanted to get it and there was a rumor that the movie was supposed to cost $200 million to make I talk about it all the time I'll never forget it schneep lost his mind couldn't believe that they were going to spend $200 million on a Gambit movie he thought it was the stupidest thing it didn't happen never happened and it continued to not happen and they even brought a joke upon it right so Ryan Reynolds is pushing the Channing Tatum Gambit side because arguably funniest part of the whole movie one of the best scenes in the whole movie I love what Channing Tatum did but Roxy I think I know your answer already you don't think that this should happen this is the problem with people who like something and don't realize that you can like something and not give it a whole new life like the clear whole point of this was that this character that he created for this movie only works here you can't understand him you can't hear him nobody knows what the f he's talking about he's a joke in this movie and the fact that Channing Tatum was willing to do that so much credit to Channing Tatum for realizing I am the joke and we're gonna take we're I'm going to play that up I'm gonna have no ego attached to it and I'm going to show how ridiculous this character would have been that's what the whole point was so for them people to be like see everybody loved him and it's like yeah in this as the comic relief not as a endorsement for a Gambit movie what the f now I agree with you is what that I don't think that this should be a movie with Channing Tatum um but here's the argument you could make against it if you wanted to you could say well yes remember this is a variant of the character we are going to do a Gambit movie where you can understand what he's saying you can see the cool stuff he's doing with the cards he's not going to be a goof and they're going to give him an actual movie it just happens to be a variant inside of it my argument against that is the same thing that we'll get into with blade Marvel has is not at the they're they're coming off a win right now with the box office no doubt they need to get Captain America to be a box office win they need Thunderbolts to be a win they need Fantastic 4 to be a win if they get all of those to be a win and they get that going then they shoot into Avengers one and two they didn't they don't have the luxury of doing what DC did James gun smartly said you know what we're going to have our DCU Universe we're going to have our DC Universe and then we're going to have these side things these else World else world's projects we're going to do some things that connect to the universe and it might confuse some people here and there but whatever but we have the Batman Universe we got the Joker we have these other things that we have going I don't know where Peacemaker lies although now he said it's part of the universe but there's elor stuff that if you wanted to do something in a standalone thing that doesn't connect you can Marvel doesn't have that they have it with Sony and and I get you know with what Sony does and even that is connected somewhat I would push back a little bit on that like what would you call the werewolf by night conect we watch it's still connected it's to connect through the monster side of it they were going to they were going to make things happen it was more of a standalone piece but it's still connected inside the MCU but also we are going with Fantastic Four we're doing different time periods we're doing different universes but they're but they're connected too they're connected too you're using the word connected differently than how I use connected yeah the Marvel Cinematic Universe the storyline is all connected right where if you if you're doing a if you're doing a blade movie when where I guess the first thing logistically where do you put that blade or or where would you put that chanting tat movie where would you put that blade movie where do you put those movies do you mean what date what release or do you mean what Earth no no right now as far as releasing it you're you're an executive and I say to you okay well when are we going to release that movie because we have these three movies coming out it leading up to our Avengers movies in 2026 we don't have anything fit to where how this all these movies do play into how we get to The Avengers we don't know how this one does because it's connect this is what I'm saying it's connected to the universe we just do a random Standalone blade like oh and here's blade like Logan because that's what Ryan Reynolds said he said let's do a Logan type thing but now that it's connected it's like does that connect to the MCU they have pigeon hold themselves by connecting everything in this TV Universe I guess that's you assuming that that was the blade from the universe that we pulled him like I I I don't feel the same way you do about how you're describing all of that okay because I mean so you think like I don't even know that that x23 was our x23 they said they said it was they said they said that she was she had said in an interview that she was the same one from the Logan movie but but he's not the Wolverine from that I it's all over the place but it's but nonetheless we're already going all over the place the the point is that you absolutely could do a stand alone because you you could just say different Earth different time different Earth it's it's confusing to people Roxy like if you say to the a to you and I we'll be able to figure it out but the average person he's confusing then they're both confusing I know but I'm just saying if it's it's a matter of I don't know I don't think put doing a blade I and the other side of it is this you think they're going to do a $60 million $70 million Logan esque budget no Wesley snap is gonna want to do a $200 million blade movie and I agree with you on half the things and then disagree on half like yeah I'm with you I think we're both on the same page about Gambit where we don't think that that should be a movie right now uh I'm not saying establish him you got you got to establish him in the X-Men as as somebody else right just it's work they did well they did him well in X-Men 97 they did him great in X-Men 97 as Channing Tatum in the next five years do I want a Gambit movie I don't I don't think we need that but do I think that there is room for a blade movie absolutely in a few years do I think that there could be room for a blade movie I really do I think that there has been room for a long time I'm curious why it's so hard for them to figure out wait wait wait so we're saying different things here we're saying different things I'm not saying there shouldn't be a blade movie I'm saying saying it shouldn't be a blade Lan style mov right now as much as I would love to see a Wesley Snipes Lanes movie I think it's too confusing for Marvel to do because of what you just said with the Marvel with the with the actual blade movie which should be coming up because that is connected to the werewolf By Night the eternals like all that Stu way he's in I mean his voice is in the post credit scene for that scene I think it's it don't start pushing it out until you know where he's coming where is doing and what the story is who where who's coming played until you know what what play is because let let's let's just jump into that that story here because check this out this is this is something I'm reading over a comic book movie Blade not listed among Marvel's 2025 release in Disney CEO Bob iger's Q3 fiscal year 24 earning statement so last week Marvel Studios put an updated film slate through 2027 and surprisingly blade was still listed as a 2025 release but is that still the case Mark Julian right just last week Marvel Studios adjusted its upcoming release schedule with the company removing an Untitled July 24th 2026 film from its slate but surprisingly Blade the film that seemed to have the most uncertainty surround it remained unchanged yet today in Disney's CEO Bob iger's Q3 fy2 24 earning statement the top exec pointed to a number of upcoming Marvel projects as a reason for investors to feel bullish about the company's upcoming fiscal performance as he listed every 2025 Marvel project except for one a joint statement from Iger and Disney Chief Financial Officer Hugh Johnson reads looking at our upcoming theatrical slate we're excited to bring audiences a number of titles that expand our popular franchises and bring these stories to life in an imaginative new way later in the year we have the highly anticipated release of Moana 2 as well as Mufasa The Lion King statement continues in 2025 our theatrical slate remains just as robust Captain America Brave New World Thunderbolts the Fantastic 4 First Steps zootopia 2 and Avatar 3 in 2026 we look forward to Avengers doomsday a new Star Wars movie featuring The Mandalorian and grou and Toy Story 5 the first Toy Story movie since 2019 as you can see every 2025 release from the MCU is mentioned by Iger and Johnson except Blade the reboot of the superhero vampire film originated by Wesley snapes was announced back in 2019 at San Diego Comic-Con when MERS Ali walked on stage at the end of the studio Hall's presentation since then the project has lost two directors undergone four rewrites of the script Ali is still attached to Star are in the lead role but Delroy Lindo and Aaron P Pierre have since departed Mia goth is still set to appear and reportedly play Lilith an ancient vampire who needs the blood of the day Walker for some nefarious purpose but instead of targeting blade she's targeting his daughter early drafts of the film had the project taking place in the 1920s but multiple rewrites now have the pick taking place in present day blade was originally en visioned as phase five but due to aforementioned script issues and the 2023 wga and sag strike the film was pushed to November 25th excuse me the film was pushed to November 7th 2025 making it a phase 6 release so in other related news Snipes Blade returns in Deadpool in Wolverine and States there's only been one blade and there's ever going to be one Blade Ryan Reynolds Deadpool then knowingly looks into the camera seemingly making note of the film's difficult production since then Reynolds has gone on to campaign that Snipes his blade deserves his own Logan likee send off so there is a lot to relate into that story that we just talked about rocks right because I agree with you I think that there should be a new telling of Blade and it would be interesting to see the MCU do it and tackle it it doesn't seem like they know how to crack it they I don't know what to make of all this Christian because blade should be pretty easy to do but there were all these jokes in this like there is only one blade ever and this is the only blade and it's like uh I don't know I don't even know what I think they should do at this point I think that Wesley is awesome I think that mersel awesome I think that blade could really be done in the next few years and be awesome um but they don't seem to know how to do it they how many directors have they gone through like there's been a lot of people they people leaving the project constantly moving time periods all that uh sometimes I do feel like not to get all woo woo but when something's not working sometimes you need to take a step back I'm this is where I stand with it because think MERS Ali is just such a amazing talent I've been saying this and I think that this is where we are if it's not going 2025 was never going to happen it didn't seem like it was going to happen not being listed on 2026 Al be it telling also smart if you don't have it cracked right now don't say it's coming out in 2026 so everybody can say oh you said it was coming out in 20 26 it's not they don't have it cracked they have no idea when they're going to put it out if that is the case I think that they should say to Mersa listen we really want you to be part of Marvel what role do you want what do you want to do we have we have so many things that we want you to do what do you want to do that we know is coming out do that and then he does that and then if you wanted to going back on what I was saying earlier and actually not going back but fixing the problem maybe what I was saying you'd have to get this Wesley Snipes Blade movie done before the Avengers the next two Avengers movies and if it's a small enough budget you probably could do it but if you were going to in the same way what they're doing with Daredevil where they were going to reboot the whole thing make make it something different make it match to MCU and not relate it to the Netflix series they said the hell with that let's just make it the Netflix series the next it's the next season but it's going to be on Disney plus and it was a smart move at least you think it is maybe they do the same thing with blade and they go okay we couldn't crack it with Mersa we want him in the family but blade and people love seeing Wesley back we can bring him back give him a Logan likee movie don't kill him off because we can have him show up in secret War we'll sign him for a contract to put him in the Avengers and then uh and then once the Multiverse is over we it's it it's over it's done with maybe they can do it that way but do you want that depends is that something because I know you you think that might still be confusing for people well no IUS like Wesley Snipes is 62 so we kind of got to get move on sure and the same way like and that was one of my biggest arguments with Mersa Ali not doing um like waiting too long he's he's significantly younger than Wesley Snipes he's only 50 years old or whatever he is but still if you're going to connect him to be part of the doing a Wesley Snipes oneoff Blade movie if you're going to do it um you know you can sign him up get him to do it clearly he's still got the chops that he can that he can do it and that's it with Mersa Ali I would assume they're going to want to lock him down to do stuff for a while that's why they announced it in 2019 I mean there was but what other role could you really see I mean mahara could do any but what other role could you really see him dying to have like blad's the IT guy role sure I mean there's there but there might be other roles that you and I we're not we're not the comic officient AOS that like say like like the Winston and Koy are they probably have 75 different characters that could be rich and full for him I I don't know I can't come up with that's kind of the point though right like do you think that marela is a comic book of fish a you would think that he what' you say I don't know I don't know either but you would think that he would probably realize that is like general public knows of course of course that's that's why he stuck around so long of course but if it keeps falling apart how long do you wait how many jobs did people pass off because they thought they were going to be shooting it or they thought they were going to be locked into something I don't know you know I don't know if any but maybe a lot right who knows but it's it's it's getting messy but we both agree the shanning Tatum movie shouldn't happen Gambit should happen Gambit should appear in the new X-Men movie when it comes out and then if you like G this is what I keep saying to people and people keep arguing with me about it if they make an X-Men movie and they make these movies and they make the first X-Men movie and then everybody gets really popular let's say you like oh I love I love who the actor they got for Gambit I'd love to see a Gambit Standalone movie do a Gambit Standalone movie and then it comes back in and then they they show they all show up for X-Men 2 do a standalone Storm movie after X-Men you do the X-Men movie first you set everybody up who who who do we love and whoever they love give them their Standalone movies and come back to X-men too I'm so with you and it's so funny because it's the exact opposite of what I want for DC yeah where DC was like let's do justice league and it was like whoa start there let's do the Standalone and build to that but for X-Men it's like let's start there and then see who we like and then go to the stand because X-Men's a team that's what they are they're they're a team and you is a team but they don't have the same individual like you wanted to see all the individuals first and then you want to see the team form X-Men I'm fine coming in team's form right then let's see who yeah and then do Standalone movies because I think the future of the MCU should just be the Fantastic for an X-Men for the next after after Avengers and secet that's it just focus on those movies you don't need to do all these well let's go what there's some random comic book on Kevin feige shelf that he wants to bring to light now because he thinks everyone's going to love it it's like no focus on the X-Men you have so much material there that you can do so I'm curious all right so what do you think go ahead and put your comments in there should blade have his own movie should Wesley Snipes have his own movie are they going to what what do you think about them not having that on the 2026 slate should shanon Tatum have his own Gambit movie what say you put your comments in there tell me what you think okay before we move on to our interview here I want to tell you guys real quick about our friends over at both magic spoon and liquid IV here you go I have been getting really nice comments from people lately and noticing that I've been losing weight and that I've been in shape and doing all these things and one of the reasons why is because I've been eating better been paying attention and one of those things I've been doing is Magic spoon and so many every time I talk about 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one no great transition I thought it was a wonderful I thought it was solid boo boo so let's get into it it is Nester carinal it is an interview we looking forward to for a while here here you go all right so as you heard Roxy and myself talking about our next guest we're so excited to talk to him from whether it's lost whether it is the dark night whether it is um The Morning Show and of course he is got his first Emmy nomination for outstanding guest actor in a drama series for Shogun which just blew everybody away and we're so excited to be able to speak to Our Guest today and that is Nestor carbonel Nester how are you sir I'm great and thank you that was very kind of you thank you for having me guys and uh and for your very kind words um I'm speechless but uh but yes uh very grateful for all of those opportunities that you mentioned to me and uh you know I know you guys have been in this business for a bit you know how how uh how tough it is so anytime we get to work in any capacity you know and certainly on this level is is a gift well that's what I was going to start with in the fact that you been you've been doing this for a bit and you have and I listened to your interview recently with uh with Michael Rosen bomb and and the the journey that you took and what I thought was just fascinating is that and I think that a lot of people need to hear and this isn't just with acting this isn't just with this profession this is just in life I think it's the the will to keep going the will to believe in yourself the will that it's going to it's going to happen because you're you're a Harvard Harvard Harvard educated gentleman you you were you you and then when you were in school did you know that you said okay I'm going to do this I'm going to do this thing did you give yourself a time limit you just said no I'm just going to go until I feel satisfied it's that's a great question I I um you know I sort of stumbled into to this profession I I didn't ever think that I was going to get into it I thought I was going to you know pursue a more traditional career maybe going to law like my father did uh or some form of business and it I took an elective you know in in college that you know there's only one at the time I believe that there's there's many more now offer at Harvard but at the time there was only one elective um and uh and I read this book called mner on acting in that class and that was that book that was the very book that you know that made me want to say I I think that I I want to pursue this more I want to understand this more because the way Meisner breaks down acting is all about being present in the moment and really living truthfully under these imaginary circumstances and it's not really pretending you know not the way you know you know it's not his sort of uh you know his his Mo or his his his take on acting it's really trying to live truthfully and I thought I was so taken by that and I was especially taken by that when I had my proverbial first moment in acting class where I felt like I was kind of lost for a moment because I was connected with the actor and and it's like a drug hit me like a drug and I was like I got to have more of that and I want to study how that happened why it happened and I want to be able to really you know lose myself in a scene you know if I can and you know continue to learn how to do that so I had to I finished College uh only to go back to act or go to start acting school after I graduated because they didn't really offer anything else at you know at Harvard at the time and uh so I studied at Playhouse West for about a year here in LA and then I studied later on with Bill Alderson at his Studio Meisner studio uh but that's how I started you know and um and to your other point about you know about stick tutiven and um and giving myself a time limit you know I is interesting I did finish with the idea that well God forbid the acting doesn't work out I'll have a degree and you know maybe I'll just sort of you know figure something else out um and there were there's certainly plenty of moments where I was like this is not working at all my first three years out here were pretty rough you know I mean I was working here and there and I had more advantages than most because I already had an agent you know so that already is a battle in and of itself but coming in close you know second or third on a film or or a TV show that was certainly more often than not so about three years in there are moments there where I was like this is not working out and I got to start thinking about something else and until I kind of strangely willed it to happen by figuring out sort of the sitcom world yeah that's how I kind of that's how I broke it what is the perception of you've got immigrant parents they work their butts off you work your butt off you go to Harvard you tell your parents actually I'm going to go be an actor now what happens after that uh it's a great question Roxy listen there was no no one in my family had ever got into this this business so it was it was new to all of us and uh you know God bless my parents because you know I have kids now we have kids we have two boys who you know one's 22 the other one's 19 and you know one's just finished College one's about to go to college both of them are aspiring musicians and I have no like to stand on to say to them no you can't do that right but but too much because I mean come on my wife was also an actress um but to my parents credit they they you know and you're absolutely right Roxy you know having you know been Exiles Cuban Exiles having lost everything they had in Cuba starting from scratch my mother didn't even have a high school education my father did have an education but really starting with what they had in their pockets um to to build the life that they did only for their oldest son to go you know I don't think I'm doing the the traditional thing um and and for them to be able to Pivot sorry that's our furry daughter um anyway so yeah for them to to to Pivot and support me was I'll never forget that it was extraordinary and yeah the the initial conversation was a little shocking I'm sure but you know only to be expected but they were right behind me as soon as they saw my commitment it's amazing how important it really is so important I mean obviously people can do it without the support but with the support it's Monumental I feel the same way with my father was always the same way from me when he said I told him the things I wanted to do he said look if you believe in it and you believe in yourself and it's what you want to do commit to it do everything that you want to do but like you you're the one that's going to ultimately make yourself happy you know it's like you can take a job in things that you're not going to be happy with but you got to commit to it you can't do it half ass and you got to make sure that you're doing it the right way and I and not everybody has those types of parents not everybody has that people you know it's that traditional thing so the fact that your parents could listen to you understand yeah give it a shot believe in you and that says a lot about you as a person though too where they said we can we trust him we we you know it might take a little bit for them to get to that place but they did it and they were right yeah thank you and I'm I'm so happy you had a similar experience did that happen for you as well Roxy or was that uh yeah I I can't say a bad word about I have the greatest parents of all time so supportive um hope hoping to be able to make them proud the way that you have made your parents proud because geez oh gez what a career sure I'm sure you have and I'm sure you are and that's that's and that's terrific and you're right you're both right that you know not everyone gets that support and and it is pretty enormous you know to to have that particularly because you're swimming Upstream I me know I don't know how it was for both of you when you started out but I mean you're trying to you know uh I heard another actress say it's almost like you have to you have to use your elbows to make room in this town you know you you have to kind of uh you know and you're absolutely right believe in yourself and believe that you have something to offer you know the community that you know maybe is not seen in a certain way or you know so and then the other thing is I know Den I've seen so many reals on Denzel Washington talking about this but it's consistency and discipline you know you know it's a difference between a hope and a dream you know you know it's uh and and realizing a dream is is having that discipline that daily discipline doing something something towards your goal every day and being consistent about it you know and uh you know even if it's somewhat peripheral but as long as it's somewhat Associated to your goal that that is sort of the differentiator you know in my mind do you know that I've I've watched you in everything I'm like a h just a DI hard fan I can't possibly Express I watch 120 shows a year is by far and away my favorite show of this year I'm obsessed with the morning show it was a DieHard Lost Girl so I've really truly seen you in absolutely everything which means I've seen a lot of your interviews as well and Christian and I have been doing this a long time we've interviewed every A-list celebrity out there I cannot believe you are the only person in the interviews that you do that I've seen and just now who asks the interviewers questions and cares and cares and cares no I I've never seen that I really because I am I am curious to see look we're all in this business together and it is sort of a you know it's an odd thing you know what do it to a certain extent particularly people outside of it I'm always fascinated by everybody else's journey I mean I I I'm curious to see how everyone navigates this because it's tricky you know and it's changing you know it has changed and evolved I I know both of you you I was reading up on you you both you know started in social media you know or or in sort of in this world is it 15 years ago like that it's been a bit it's yeah I mean it's it's amazing and and as I'm sure you know obviously you've experienced it the changes with within the social media landscape have changed dramatically in 15 years I started 15 years before that before there was any social media right so so I'm always curious to see you know on your end of it how you guys are navigating things too so I I I mean I'm selfishly fascinated too well I was gonna say that too I'm sure as as for what you do and I would I I mean I think asking questions to everybody you meet and learning new personalities probably puts more in the toolbox too you know it's like where you can what happens one day it's like hey uh we want you to play there's a guy out there's a role out there of a of a podcaster who's been out there for a long time doing stuff and moved over and you've talked to people and you've had those conversations like it makes sense to ask questions I mean I think you're absolutely right there's no question that certainly as an actor it helps to to learn as much as you can but I think just as an individual I I'm I'm just genuinely curious because I I you know we're all in this you know body and in this not to get too existential in this lifetime and we're trying to navigate you know our own existential sort of you know being you know and I always want to see how other people do that you know and how you how you tackle your day how do you how do you tackle your your your fears how do you how do you how do you deal with your struggles you know um you know that that applies to everybody and I'm always fascinated by how how people do it differently you know whether it's different cultures different different everything and uh and how they go about it to me that's always that's that's it's always interesting yeah I love that conversation because it's also one of these things where as you mentioned I I like to get is especially when this is the also when it comes to the long form and being able to have these longer conversations with somebody it's not a junk it you don't sit there for three minutes and it's like one thing and the poor interviewer has like a a thing that someone said hey read read this and you ask like H what was it like working on Shogun how do you feel about being nominated uh and then you and then it's over and you didn't get a chance to really have that conversation and that back and forth because I like to go into the deeper things to of course I want to talk to you about Shogun of course want to talk to you about loss and we'll get there but I also like same the same thing as as someone who does this I want to learn more about you I like this reading up about you listening to the interviews that you did I thought it was fascinating with the your your journey and not giving up Rodney Dangerfield is one of my like comedy like idols and the idea that you know he's always the one that I've used of like don't give up look at what happened to him when he was uh in in around the same same age and like and now we can jump to Shogun and the fact that look at this accomplishment of being nominated for an Emmy and doing just I mean and I and you've done incredible work but what you do in this show uh it's just phenomenal it's phenomenal and and I'm so happy for you but can you talk a little bit about hearing about the nomination going holy [ __ ] it happened well thank you so much chrisan I appreciate that um you know it's it's so wild yes I was I was blown away I've been at this uh for you know for a long time now I've been at this since you know professionally since I graduated college since '92 end of '92 you know or really committed end of 92 is when I I I moved out here to LA and to do it full-time and the irony is that my first job uh on was on prime time was as a guest Starin law in order you know so so to be nominated in this category you know 30 you know two years later um is especially meaningful to me because you know it's it it is for any actor that you guys have spoken to who's done guest work and I've done you know quite a bit of it um it's it's its own sort of animal it's you you're kind of typically coming into a moving train having to hop on and sort of trying to assimilate and and also add try to add something to the world as well um but also not disrupt it in a way that it's like jarring you know so you have to so you know so this this particular word is especially meaningful to me because of of that reasons you know I had the advantage in this particular in you know in Shogun that I actually I'm my character is introduced at the in the pilot so so in that respect there was no moving train you know I was part of that train already um but um but no it was still you know a dream obviously a dream job in every respect and and you guys know this when when you guys stumble on you know some element of of work that you go oh wow this is especially meaningful to me you know um you know it it doesn't happen all the time but everyone when you do you recognize it and you you and you say wow this was a moment that I won't forget that I'll cherish and it was an experience and it certainly that was certainly one for me where you know you're in this world that uh you know uh Justin Marx Rachel condo the writers you know and obviously based on James clavell's book with that they and the writers created that you know John langra and everyone at FX I mean really got behind um to the point where they created a world that as an actor you just you walk on set and you're already in the world there's no there was there was green screen work but there wasn't that much I mean there literally was an incredible set you that you could Escape into and then you have phenomenal actors to work off of so you know uh so so just on that level alone it was extraordinary and then the the amount of prep that we got I've never had that kind of prep which is just a gift to an actor to to work with a a Japanese coach yukari helped me with my Japanese I had Tony Alcantara helped me with my my castillan accent I had sword fighting lessons I didn't even get to fight you know right you know I special Japanese these are Japanese canoes that I had to I had lessons in that I had lessons in everything in Social training and how to Bow you know so only so I could do it you know in a bad way to to to to all everyone around me so you know you have all of that and then you're you know you recognize what a gift all of that is um and then on top of that like I said the talent around you the enormous and and uh just beautiful Talent around you to work off so you you pinch yourself you know so to to to get recognized for that in a nomination is just it's especially meaningful where were you when you found out oh about the nomination I was I was home it was early and uh and then I was trying to I was trying to you know live stream you know or do the thing and I couldn't find it and I was like oh I missed it you know and then I was like oh well it's okay you know you know or maybe it just didn't you know if it didn't happen but then I get a text from my agent and my manag are like three you got nominated so I found out through text you know but it was really but I saw but it was really sweet I mean it was uh yeah I mean it's it's it's it's incredible I mean I'm I'm so flattered you know the job alone was already the gift you know then then to be recognized by my peers is just you know it's really special was there one that you did before that you thought it was coming and it didn't come or do you not you try not to think about that you know I try not to go there you know I've been on a few shows that I've had like on lost you know a lot of people nominated people won you know uh Morning Show what Morning Show for sure Bates Motel you know um I I you know then maybe when I it's interesting when I first started out you know you have this sort of idea of you know of the awards and this and that and I don't know how you guys feel about that but you know when when I started out it was I mean I remember you know this is again before the internet you know it was like you were glued to the TV to watch the you know the Oscars certainly all the actors were that and mean and and we still are I'm still fascinated and it's still great um but the more I got into just the work of it the work of it and just and and finding the work that that became the goal more than anything it wasn't it wasn't geared towards necessarily winning a particular award because I think that could be death to creativity it's it's really about it's about the work you know it's about being truthful and and trying and in in some small way to contribute to the story and enlightening people perhaps uh about the human condition in some way I mean ultimately that's what we're doing if we're doing you know storytelling that's meaningful and impactful is we're saying or asking at the very least raising questions about the Human Condition going to your time on Shogun I think it's interesting that from watching the start of your career and hearing you talk about like even commercials you booked early and them saying like oh you really got to up the accent like let's really hear your accent and then there was kind of that chunk of your career where we didn't hear you with any kind of accident I'm sure that felt exciting to be able to have your voice back but then in Shogun we kind of come full circle where not only do you have to have an accent but you have to learn a whole new other language as well uh what has that been like for you how do you feel about using your voice that way and do you feel differently about putting on an accent now than you did when you started that's a great question Roxy uh I you know it's interesting and I I've told us to other actors and everyone's different and you guys know how you broke into this business too everyone has sort of unique experience you know uh for me it was I you know I was coming close you know to to certain roles when I first started out and then I but it was it's such a huge pool of actors I go how can I differentiate myself or how can I narrow the market for myself you know and I wasn't booking National American commercials so I said well I speak Spanish you know you know so maybe I can hit the Latino Market doesn't pay as well but I just need to start working you know and and and sure enough I was able to open up that World by I was competing against maybe you know you know 10 guys you know as opposed to you know hundreds you know in that market so so I I learned well if I can do that here how can I do that on the you know on just mainstream acting I go well I can do accents maybe I can do foreign characters you know maybe I can break in that way so and again I narrowed the market for myself in sitcoms because I was like well maybe I was one of a handful of guys who'd come in from either who's Italian or or Spanish or you know you know whatever Heritage it was uh you know I really narrowed that market for myself and that's how I broke into sitcom and but to your Point Roxy you're right after a while I was like well now I'm just doing accents you know and and cast directors often would tell my agents well you know he has an accent so we we really can't see him for this part they're like no no he doesn't he you know you know so so then part of the challenge for me after suddenly Susan doing four years of that with an accent was I got to do something completely different without an accent so that I can change perception I got to murder that character um and then I was offered a show called The Tick and that one and then but it was it was I was like oh no do they want me to do an accent and sure enough they did but the character was Batman well I mean how do you say no their character named batmanuel yeah so so I was like I'm definitely gonna do this character I don't care there an AC and it was I mean again I Had the Time of My Life on that job and that one only went you know I think only did 10 episodes but then after that no Roxy to your point and i' had heard an interview with with Eric McCormack about this very thing and he says you know you know you do a role on TV you know and you're known for that role and and your job as an actor then is to murder that role so that you can change perception do something completely different and uh and I you know and so I said I love I love how he sort of sort of couched it I go and so so I just I just made a point of saying no I'm just going to try and do something without without an accent and uh and and coming now full circle to it is fantastic going back to doing it on show gun um is is great because now I actually had a real Coach to work with for one thing you know to really nail try try and nail this castillan accent then working with a Japanese dialect coach you know I'm trying to you know make sense of what I'm saying in Japanese and then you know and then being able to Avail myself of their talents too on set and saying it particularly in Japanese if I want to improvise I want to throw a line to someone to hurry up and do this how do I say that you know those things are you know I love love love being able to do that um um so yeah so it's full circle but in the in in the most amazing way well that's I mean that's great all the way around especially the fact that as you mentioned when you were starting out or you were working people just thought that that's who you were with the accent but by the time you get to Shogun and the established career that you've already had they're like well yeah we know what what neeter can do if we need him to do it he can he can do it and you show up in there and you do that but you mentioned Justin marks I had the I had the pleasure of actually meeting Justin marks and working with them for a brief second in when I was working at Warner Brother and that's great yeah we had a we had a thing that we were kind of doing and he's he's a phenomenal person I really like Justin a lot and he's super talented and everything that he's done U from Top Gun Maverick to to this and everything so I was reading a lot of stuff of what he had said and this roller coaster of season 2 with Shogun this roller coaster of oh they're going to do uh they we can't do it there's nothing else that we'd be able to do the books only goes to this one thing and then it's like well FX is kind of knocking on the door I guess or other people and it's like hey so have you you hear anything about this or you just kind of like us same thing what the hell's happened with season 2 I you know I'm I'm sort of out of the loop on that in that regard I haven't talked to ju you know I emailed with Justin a little bit after the nomination he was very sweet he reached out to me and and we Mo back and forth you know I congratulated him obviously on his tremendous incredible work um um I'm hoping to see him at the emys you know and and catch up with him but I I can only imagine because I think they picked it up for two seasons is yeah two and three yep three so I I you know I can only imagine um what that writer room must be like because you're absolutely right I I don't know where they're going to go with the story and you know who knows but uh but uh I'm excited to see what he comes up with what he and Rachel did was you know and I'm sure you guys agree was extraordinary the way that they focused on sort of those power dynamics when the within the regions those Japanese regions and really exploring the chess match of of what they did and where you see you know t a hero playing this basically this Grand Master you know how Justin crafted and and Rachel how they crafted this incredible sort of it felt like the entire season felt like a chess match and in the most beautiful way um was extraordinary so I can only a wait to appreciate that the following chess match because I'm sure a lot of it will be about manipulation I imagine it will be the next two seasons you guys shot in 2001 which is quite a bit of time ago is the conversation on that when you're shooting we know this is only one season is that how everybody felt you know I I just assumed it was I assumed it was because you know the original miniseries was you know was that was just a Min series and I figured well it's a book and then there's no sequel to the book that really picks up where it left leaves off yeah all the other books are sort of their own entities so I just assumed I I truly just assumed it was a miniseries and then uh and I was hoping to to the last episode there had been talk about me coming back for episode 10 but I think they couldn't figure uh you know all the elements out at the time um so I just you know I I just loved and enjoyed the ride when I was on it um I will tell you this though Roxy it was I I've never been a part of something certainly in TV as as as epic in scope you know so like on we we shot like at the tail end of Co it was still it was post you know shutdown is when things were starting to open up a bit but you know we're in Vancouver and their laws are pretty stringent still at the time so we were double mask you know we're Mas or we had a shield even outdoors and it was a whole you know and we were tested every day naturally but on Wednesdays and Fridays everyone was tested everyone and so I remember one Wednesday I walked in and I was like well what number am I today and they're like you're number 1534 wow and that's so yeah that's how massive you know I mean obviously they every subcontractor had to come in and get tested anyone remotely Affiliated had to get tested on those two days and I was like you've got to be kidding me this many people are working on this production yeah isn't that crazy how you were talking before nether with the change in the business overall how crazy that is to even imagine that that kind of scale would happen on television like if like 20 years ago you could even imagine that I mean I remember when Rome came out on HBO and it was like I remember I think it was like a $100 million for that show everyone's like oh my God that's they're breaking the budget here and that's they were like ahead of their time in what they were doing so can I mean from your perspective how different is it and the opportunities maybe are there more opportunities obviously through doing something epic and cinematic like that how do you think it's changed you're absolutely right Christine I mean it it it is I mean dramatically changed I even remember uh with lost as a pilot you know that that pilot alone was massive and and and and still I I just rewatched that long ago because I took part in the documentary uh the Lost documentary and so I wanted to rewatch The Pilot it's it holds up I mean that thing is it's it's I mean it's JJ Abrams you know but it's also even in terms of the special effects and how big it was it was like that that was a big deal certainly for Network massive for Network um yeah I mean I I I still Marvel at the amount of you know money that goes into executing these epics you know it is extra Game of Thrones obviously you know obvious one um I'm Amazed by it I mean you see it obviously on the bigger features on the you know the tent pole features and I I certainly got a taste of that on Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises I mean those are you know they're massive uh budgets but you just I've never seen that certainly not when I started out in television you know 30 years ago it was unheard of um it's it's amazing and I love that the the streamers that the the studios are getting behind television in this way because we're also getting to explore characters in a more profound way we're getting 10 episodes as opposed to two hours you know so you're really you're really getting to explore all of these characters in in a deeper way so I'm I'm glad that that much uh that that many resources have been shifted to television so I know you don't know and even if you did you probably couldn't tell us about season two and three for your character but you know that you make it out and also you know you're nominated for an Emmy so I'm going to go ahead and say they would be absolute fools to not have you in both those Seasons if you are in show gun season two and three what are you hoping for what do you want to see from your character oh thank you Ro I appreciate that I listen I I I I would love to be in as many episodes as they'll have me because it's uh you know obviously it's a role I just love and and a show I love um what what I love for the character to have I mean what I loved about the character is he's kind of like you know in a fellow he's sort of the Iago character he's this mellan character who's just conniving he's not as smooth and op Ator as certainly not as taga is not the grandmas you know uh chess player but he's like he's like the Central Park chess player the guy who does the speed the speed chess you know he's sort of shrewd and he's quick and he's that kind of thing and he's always looking for an angle he's that he's that kind of a chess player so I want to see more of his moves you know he's got he has the rudds on Blackthorne you know and then he's got Blackthorne to deliver to taga so he's always working an angle I just want to see him I want to see him a get in more trouble you know and ha have to find it fight his way out of trouble uh because this is a guy who is not afraid to insult everyone around him in any language because uh he knows his worth but I want him to push it to the point where you know he asked the question whether he's going to be safe or not you know that I'd love to see that it's a great great answer um I heard you mention something that I got to bring up because I'd be so mad at myself my audience be mad we got to talk about working with Christopher null we got to talk about dark and I got to talk about dark right so because that's coming off of or right around yeah it's coming off of Lost after that's after lost so you um really as I mentioned to you I heard the journey and you get this role un lost and it kind of reignites or kind of really pushes you in the Forefront of your career and tell me about getting the role in The Dark Knight and then when you're getting this role because you're and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your wife was was involved in Batman in some way or another too am I wrong she she boed the character in the cartoon Inc she voed so she did voiceover work okay so yeah we we have some Batman in our family you know she was Inc I was Batman well uh I I this you'll like maybe I was a really bad Batman when I was starting out here at a birthday party yeah and I remember this is like one of those you know one of the jobs that like a buddy of mine was doing he was doing birthday parties and I was like he like you're doing it he goes yeah they PR pretty well they tip you well and I go okay great I maybe should give it a crack and you got to learn balloon animals and all this stuff and I was horrible at that party and I almost left in tears and they made the kids made fun of my utility anyway it was a disaster so I I had to somehow redeem myself if it wasn't Batman wild is hopefully to get on one of Chris Nolan's amazing movies um but the way that worked out is I auditioned I auditioned for Chris I I'll tell you what happened this is actually quite interesting and hopefully this you know this appeals to people outside of the business as well in terms of you know how things work you know and how life can you know you know give you C balls and and and expected surprises but I had done a movie called uh smok and Aces yeah you know and and um it hadn't been released but um but it was a really interesting character that I had never played before this uh and so then I went on and I got lost and then uh while I was doing lost uh yeah I had this audition come in and it was for you know Chris noan movie I I I had like one night to work on it you know the next morning I was there reading for Chris and Emma his wife and uh and producer and um and I thought it went okay and and you know and you know and but I didn't know and then I didn't hear anything uh I said ah well obviously didn't happen and then I was in the jungle in Hawaii in aahu um shooting a scene with Michael Emerson and I happen to have my it was a flip phone at the time at my flip phone and for whatever reason I decided to look at it and it was it was a call from my manager and I go wonder what he wants and he's like hey so they want to see tape on you for Chris no's movie this is like three months after I read and then I go really I go for what movie though because I figured it they already shot it whatever and he goes the Batman movie The Dark Knight and then I go really wow I didn't I thought that was gone he goes no so I said well why don't you see if we can get tape from smoke and Aces from Joe carahan who directed it at Universal because that's the most recent stuff and so they were able Joe carahan finally was able to release those scenes to to Chris noan and the next day I got the offer so so it's just wild how things you know can work out and you know um and when in you know in the most unexpected places okay you go to set and I know that you said that there was this big speech and it gets dropped to you the night before and you but you had written this is crazy Christian okay you had written a speech because you didn't know that you were going to have to memorize the speech so you wrote your own speech I have to know what you wrote Because you ended up not performing that they give the other speech that you perform but you are sitting there you write a speech you learn this speech what was it what did you think you gonna say I thought I was just gonna say something about policing and about I forget what I wrote but I tell you what I did do Roxy because I did this because I was the first scene that I was in the first scene that they shot on The Dark Knight it just so happened to be the way the schedule worked out that I was first up with Anthony Michael Hall and it was just a scene that was going to play on a TV screen in a police station but it starts out as an interview he's interviewing the mayor about crime and Gotham and this and that and there was nothing on the page you know it was just like you know you know there's like maybe one line or something that you know he asked me whatever and then I was like well I've got to say something even though it's just being seen and there was no dialogue written so I just I just talked to Anthony I said why don't you ask me a few questions and I and I wrote my own answers about how he felt about policing and you know and how we needed a is you know more support and you know we were hamstrung whatever was I don't know what I came up with but I came up with stuff so we just did this improv kind of it it felt very it was improvisational this interview and what they use whatever they use so I assumed when I got to my speech when you know the Joker was going to shoot me there was literally on the script in the script there's only one or two lines and I figured oh well okay I I'll write another I'll write something else about you know you know policing and crime and this and that and I just I I wish I remembered but I'm sure it was all of it taking a hard line on crime and how we have to restore Law and Order just basically talking points I'm sure it was nothing riveting um but it was just you know sort of like basic stuff on and sure enough you're absolutely right I get after shooting a scene the one with the Effigy that slams against the wall with you know um you know shooting that scene I go back to the hotel at night and I you're right I get this long speech and I go I just you know I got this now I got this tomorrow morning this is crazy and uh and I do remember being up pretty late trying to you know you know memorize this and forget what else I'd written and then uh and then asking God bless her Maggie Gyllenhaal to to run lines or to to see if I was even remotely close to the speech you know uh the next day and and uh as we're making the walk up to the to the de to the podium um and she was so sweet but um but yeah it was frightening it was frightening yeah but did you know Maggie at all you just felt com you were just like hey Maggie Hall can you help me exactly it's like Maggie you don't know me but here's my little can you just make sure that I'm on book here because I'm I want to try and be off book I don't want to have to read this you know you know so so she's like you know she's like yep yep you're good now she was great solid team solid team I like it you know and speaking speaking to that too anybody every time you know we we've had the pleasure of talking to people who've worked on that movie and I've I have to ask you know when it comes to the legendary performance obviously of of Heath Ledger when did you know like when you're looking at that scene you're watching him do his stuff did you know you're watching something pretty special I I did and and I'll tell you because I didn't have much interaction with him but I did have that scene where you know I make uh Gordon the commissioner you know and and Heath is in you know he's in the cage um and he did improvise that I remember he improvised the clapping and I go wow that's a genius choice that is just so on point I go this guy's he's in it you know he's he's not performing he's he's in this character so that's you know and even when I talked to him briefly you know when I introduced myself and you know I talked to him brief ly you know he was very nice really polite but but I was like I could tell he was like oh he's in a head space I'm going to leave him alone because he's he's he's there and he's really he's really there I go fantastic you know and uh so yeah you could tell I mean you know you you never know with these things how how they how they work out I remember you know reading the you know his role thinking yes this is a magical role uh what he did with it was just as we all know it's extraordinary yeah there were rumors obviously for a long time that he was method on set but you're saying when you introduced yourself he was Heath in that moment oh yeah yeah and he was lovely he was he was sweet and I know he he I think he was listening to quite a bit of music as well um you know um but I think he was he was very much trying to you know stay within the bounds of that character as much as he could uh you know was my guess you know but uh but no he was lovely when when we talked and uh um yeah really really sweet you know that's what everyone else who worked with him you know more of an experience with him than they all said yeah legendary character legendary actor and legendary film so I I think that um and then you get to do the next one and they and they kill you off they get you I know I know they blow me up I was like does it have to be I know I you might have heard this in another I don't know but but I I do remember when they did blow me up and they had one of these air cannons you know to simulate something and uh they put uh a bit of you know my my hair was was was pretty solid at the time because it was was I think they put a little bit of a you know spray on it and you know so it wasn't moving much so I remember I remember Chris is like why don't we put some stuff in the air cannon so I was like what are you gonna put it was just like foam and stuff yeah oh my God I I do remember uh thinking like do we have to blow me up and do we have to see any of that maybe he survives Liv you know he's like no this is it it's done for you you're over um yeah yeah two well and you've worked with some whether it's legendary directors you've worked with some big uh obviously other other peers and and the cast in the morning crew is just w i mean holy moly that goes back to what we were talking about with how things have changed today with streaming and the like because what that cast alone talk to me a little bit about working with a cast of that size or working with a cast of that magnitude also and what's that like you know when you come up there and working with do you do you ever get nervous of like how are these people going to be because I think are they going to be are they going to be their ego is going to be too big are they going to be welcoming does that ever cross your mind I mean I think I think that cuts across every industry right I mean I imagine you know first day in a jobob first day in school anything like that but you're absolutely right when you're when you're when you're talking about you know the you know these huge Stars you know all on Ensemble you you wonder you know how how is this going to jel I especially if you don't know them I knew Jennifer a little bit before you know before the show just socially a little bit social um but you know I didn't really know anyone else in the cast at all um they're amazing you know they're amazing and and and it you know my experience certainly in television in film as well but really in television when you're on a show is that so the attitude is set from from the top you know you know and and and you know Rees and Jen have have created an atmosphere where you really we're all free to to to try things to experiment to to you know to you know to change things if you want or suggest things and so you I never from day one I always felt that freedom which is amazing you know and it's obviously much more conducive to creativity from every department so um you know that's not always the case you know on on every show you know um because everyone works differently too and you know obviously different personalities that could not be a more freeing set it is it is an actor's dream to work on that show you know having said that you're right there there's some some big players there you know Steve Carell you know first two seasons you John Ham came in last season obviously you know you have Mark dupas and Billy crudup you know you have tremendous great Elite you have great actors uh around you uh but they're all act you know actors actors they're all they're all there about the work and they're it's all about trying to make it better more credible more authentic um so everyone's sort of working towards the same goal and then the same thing goes for the crew I mean Mimi leader as a as our producing director who's an extraordinary director along with all our other directors and a phenomenal writing team and this show was created by Carrie Aaron um who I worked with on the privilege of working with on bass motel and and now Charlotte Stout is taken over and and that both of them are extraordinary powerhouses it probably has the most star power of any show maybe we've ever seen honestly uh with some of the names you name plus like Mindy Kaling I mean people pop in and out of that show like crazy uh I think when people sit at home they think about all of these people being friends on set are people eating lch together like are is it just like who's who's of Hollywood how does it work that's a great question um you know our schedules are so different so like I I you know Marian cotard is is is you know joined the season you know as is Jeremy Irons I've only met them through zoom on table read so far you know I hope to meet him on set you know I don't want to give away story lines or anything like that but um you know it all depends on Whose storyline you're in it is a massive cast so so often you you know I'll shoot a season and I won't see certain actors because you you obviously we're on different sets you know do shooting on different days um so uh but I treasure those scenes and we've had a number of them like a Gala scene where pretty much the entire cast is there uh where we're all these moments we have had this is fun this is like what you kind of live for as an actor is like where you're all kind of like all right you set up the shot now you got 20 minutes while they light and so you're all hanging out and then just swapping stories and that those are those are moments that I really treasure because you're getting to yeah right hang out and have lunch and and talk about everyone's like we were talking about before everyone's life experiences in the business out of the business kids no kids whatever it is um those are great moments I mean they don't happen every day but like I said on those big group scenes how I live for those those are great well the next time we talk Nether and you got and you wind up do meet Mary and kotto I want to hear about the stories you guys share about Dark Knight Rises because I assume I assume I you're right I did meet her I met her at the makeup chair Dark Night Rises I have to remind her of that yes yeah we met briefly she had to suffer through one of my speeches at the uh at the you know um the Bruce at the main Wayne Manor you know estate but yeah she was great that's awesome um go I wonder because it is such a political show I always wonder this when I'm watching political shows and obviously you've spoken about you come from a a background family I believe it was your great uncle who was just like an unbelievable hero in Cuba and was massacred because of it you have such a a political background yourself and at the political show are people's politics getting involved on set are people talking about their opinions on certain things you guys cover woman's right to choose you covered Co you cover everything that's going on current day you know it's interesting not really no I mean I think we we're because we're actors we're there for our characters and and you know as an actor we're taught you have to be your character's best defense attorney you have to defend whether you believe uh his or her opinions on any given issue social or political this is your goal this is your job and you truly have to invest in that so the energy is spent on that and yeah not really on no I don't think anybody I I you know I think people are we're really there to honor the work you know as much as we can so yeah we don't really get into it anything like that that would be epic that um or not probably for the better it's true yeah you would answer I think you may you probably would answer that previous question like yeah I don't want to deal with that person ever again after that conversation it's true I mean it's like you're not g to talk about that stuff with family you know you know it's like you know you're certainly not going to bring it up at work and uh no I mean every you know I mean and the the show is like you said Roxy you know it's so topical and political as it is that you know all of those things are already out there anyway uh the but the challenge really is just to make you know you know bring your character to you know your character's perspective to that topic and do it justice as best you can yeah and actually you've worked on some great Ensemble casts obviously the one we just mentioned obviously Shogun which you you're again congratulations on the nomination which is just so amazing I'm so happy for you but the other things that we as we were talking about the first thing when I asked you that question earlier about it were there roles that you thought oh maybe the first show that you actually brought up it just in that conversation was lost obviously and the the from the things that you had been um how it changed your career and how that now what you I heard on Michael Rosen bomb show for what you had said inside of that interview you was that the first it was a guest it was a guest roll so you do you do the role you go okay this is cool I got a good spot I love the show my wife and I love the show we had a kind of uh who's going to get the who's going to get it first whoever gets it first we'll go out to dinner or whatever it might be and you do and you get get it but then it turns into this major role um so if you can talk about that a little bit where that phone call of no no no the guest it's not it's not a guest role because that show always I love that show one of my favorite shows of all time but it always confused me in like they didn't have that mapped out already they didn't have like Richard comes in they didn't did they know Richard was coming back or they just didn't know or you did such a great job they like yeah let's bring them back um thank you I I it's a great question and and um but to answer that they they did not have everything mapped out and they're they're pretty open about that Damon and Carlton or Damon lindoff Carl cuser you know the the the showrunners and writers creators they they're very open about the fact that uh they knew where it was going to start when they knew they were it was going to end on on Jack's eye open on his eye close on his eye uh and everything else was sort of movable Parts which was sort of freeing to them you know in a sense you know and but they did map out every SE every season thematically so there there was definitely a theme to each season and that was cohesive but I think they were definitely moving Parts all along and I think what they what they did is they they went to what what what uh what they felt was you know know responding they I mean they responded to what whatever they felt was working on on their dailies you know whatever you know they came over and I think the they were intrigued I I imagine they were intrigued by the notion of of of uh Richard uh having some kind of a history with you know the dharm initiative and after the episode with Juliet Lewis jul sorry with with Juliet uh after after uh he was introduced there it was like well who is this kind of weird guy who's just killed her husband to recruit her to come on the island what is what is you know what's that about and do we and how do we bring him back you know if that was in the past how does he sort of materialize and I think it was just sort of a i benefited from the fact that it was a very eerie and mysterious storyline and and I was there's no no question about that that part of that was was was certainly not me it was just the fact that my characters shrouded in mystery and it only became more of a mystery as we discovered that he didn't seem to age yeah and then it was like that at that point I thought I think you know maybe I might be here a little bit longer because at some point they'll have to explain that you know uh and so so the the more mystery he was shrouded in the more I thought I think I have a chance of living a little longer than I thought um and and lo and behold you know that that's kind of what happened this is also a career where like any career you need to make a living and provide for your family though and when you're on a show and right now you're like how long am I here I don't know how this is going um and you have to take other opportunities is that something that you just are like okay my team will deal with that or when you're on set are you dropping hints like make me a regular already come on I'm here all the time I you know it's a great it's a great point I think I think uh you know typically you know that that's you know your your representatives your agent your manager those are the things that they typically handle but um and then you try and just focus on the work and do the best job you can um I think with with lost it was a unique case because like you know justan you both pointed out you know they didn't necessarily know where it was going and so you know to their you know in their defense it's not like they were like we can't make your regular well they can't because they really genuinely didn't know where that character was going they hadn't fully maed it out um but once they started you know seeing that there well you know people are responding to this character then you know we can extend it and sort of you know as much you know as we can and see how do as as we go along but with loss you're absolutely right Roxy it came to the point there was one time where I was like I got to know you know I have kids now in school you know we got you know uh I've got to provide for the family I you know pilot season's coming up you know do I do a pilot you know I don't have a deal with lost I'm just sort of I just show up when they call me and so there I I did have to sort of roll the dice and I did a pilot one year called Kane for CBS and that's that that's exactly what happened um we we we let ABC know Hey listen I'm going to do a pilot but I won't do it if you give me a commitment and they're like we don't honestly know where it's going and I said we said fair enough let's roll the dice but I had to provide for the family so I did that pilot and then and then I remember doing that pilot going back on loss when they did call me you know and and they said hey they said you did a pilot I go yeah yeah yeah but it's it's it's about you know about a Cuban American family in in Palm Beach and I remember uh one of one of the guys said oh wait a minute this is is it about the no that's not going to go it's not going to get picked up you know whatever it was whatever the rationale was and sure enough they got picked up oh wow but I did say please don't kill my character off you know okay I want to come back that won't get picked up it got picked up and then I do remember going to the tcas and having to field questions from a number of uh reporters about like what's GNA happen because you didn't die on lost and you're doing 13 episodes of Kane and then I go look I in a perfect world you know it's up it's up to the powers that be but I would love to be able to do both and um and sure enough I only did ended up doing 13 episodes of that show and then and then and then not long after that I had a deal with lost yeah that's I think that goes to you know just from speaking to you this last 50 minutes or so is it's it's the attitude I think that you're bringing forward the positivity and those types of things I'm sure that that all adds into it like look I got to do what I have to do I have to provide for my family but I also want to work with you guys you're open and honest and it also I think though goes back to what we said a little while ago with how different the business is back like because back then that was one of the reasons I think it wasn't mapped out is because it was Network television um and I think when you have that many episodes you look at something like look at the comparison look at Shogun Shogun knew exactly where it was going knew it was going to be based off a book Put on this this the service where it's like and even how FX Has Changed with putting stuff up into what you talked about before and how epic of a show that they could do because FX is putting out quality stuff right now between this the bear I mean just quality stuff so good so good and so what they're doing and then you look at they they're going to give you a commitment obviously because they know where what what's happening in the story so that's got to also same question from before it's got to be the change in the way that things work because if lost is made today I bet you it's 10 episodes on a streaming platform and they know exactly where your character's going yeah you're absolutely right you're there's no question that that the game has changed you know network was different you know I think they responded to often focus groups how your character tested that kind of thing yep the other thing that did change was uh was the Advent of social media was kind of starting really Twitter all of that started went with lost right around that time and and that that definitely played into what characters came back what what how social media uh was responding to each character I think you know I think that certainly uh was a game changer for sure I know that was a case also on psych when I worked on Psych that Twitter I think essentially was one of the things that they were really active on Twitter and that helped establish a really strong fan base for them too the social media did at the time so yeah things have certainly changed yeah as the game has changed one of the things that we see now every day is a new prequel or sequel is announced do you think that there is room for more with lost I hope so I really do I I you know I uh I I love I mean that world was so was so magical um I love how they played with time you know you know how they how they played with characters you know I mean you you really got to you know I mean a full in-depth look at every character I I hope that there is room for that I just don't know if there's the appetite for you know for that for for Damon and for for Carlton I I hope there is because uh I I can only imagine uh all the actors would be game for that uh I I mean I would think but um but I I I hope so I hope so you know they'd have to be convinced I don't know I don't know how you convince them to come back they have to go back we have to go back we have to go back Perfect Look at that perfect and I think that um you know speaking of how you mentioned beforehand when it was lost or Batman or things that you kind of wanted to do and and projects that you were interested in even before you know you you you worked on them is there stuff out there now and especially and I guess relating it into Shogun with the success that you've had on this show and the and the rightfully the rightful praise that you've been getting for your your work in this role have you been getting opportunities for other projects that you're like oh I don't know if I would have gotten that call two years ago but I got it now and I'm very interested in it um absolutely you know there's a few things I can say and some I can't yet but um yeah I've been very fortunate you know uh to to have had a few you know a number of opportunities come my way and and and now just trying to assess you know how how to navigate which is a great problem to have mind you as we all know in this business where it's it feels like feast or famine a lot of the time um so yeah and I'm so grateful again again you know like you guys pointed out we shot this three years ago and I Remember Loving that experience like like I mean it was just beyond words uh the experience and then but I remember thinking okay well you know I almost you know I had to put it aside mentally because I had to focus on the present um and then for it to come back in the way that it has come back and certainly get the reception is is just uh has been extraordinary so yeah no thank you Christian to your point it it's definitely opened up doors I'm so grateful for that and to be honest with you I'm grateful for any any job I get and I and I that goes for you know the smallest of jobs to the biggest of jobs because you know what we get to do is is special in the sense I me we get to play pretend we get to tell stories hopefully that have an impact on people and you know you can't take that for granted I mean it's a it's a unique thing yeah and Roxy I'll let you close it out with I just want to add do a followup to that real quick where similar to what you just said with loss when you were like Hey listen uh I need to figure out am I on this thing or not because I got other opportunities and now with these other opportunities do you tell FX and you tell them Hey listen are we doing shun season two or are we not because I got I got Marvel knocking on the door I got DC knocking on the door I got I got Star Wars I mean what's what's the uh what do you say there I mean I I honestly to me my my focus has always been just you know focus on the work you know focus on things that I can you know have some control over which is my creative output and the other stuff is is is quite Beyond My Control I mean you know my Representatives you know they they sort of weigh the options and they they present the options to me and my and my wife we both make the decisions together and um you know because it affects our family naturally um so but but really the focus all I can do is focus on trying to you know execute the you know the work that I have before me as much as I can you know I I I leave that to to to smarter Minds you know you described it as feast or fam and I think that's a really uh good way to describe it um I recently I thought that I booked a role I I did book it then something happened where the director just didn't like my voice and I had thought I had it they didn't like my voice I ended up getting the call that I didn't get it and then I ended up listening to your interview where you were talking about having um a job you go to a table read and then after the table read you no longer had that job and so that you feel like you are constant you have to audition for the roles that you even already have booked um which is frustrating in the famine part but is there is there anything that from that like anything that you're really glad that you ultimately didn't end up booking because the universe or whatever ended up making way for the things that did work for you you know such a great question and thank you for sharing that I know it's painful to share those moments you know believe me I know I you know if you if we all stick around in this business long enough you're gonna get your lumps you know um and but I feel like that those lumps you know as long as you allow them to affect you in a sense that say okay well there's nothing I could have done about this X Y and Z changing this person's opinion um but as long as you find some some energy behind getting yourself back up from that experience to to to fight another day and say okay well you know some of this is subjective you know I may be so and so's cup of tea but so and so really just doesn't like me and maybe it's just a taste thing whatever it is um you can't control that you got to move on and and I think for me the most grounding thing you know even lately has been you know focus on how we can all you know we're all in this entertainment business together you know if we can somehow explain something about The Human Condition anything we do whether it's you know you know whether it's your amazing show your you know that you have right now you know talking about issues that affect everyone even Beyond entertainment naturally or or you know or being part of a show or film that will somehow illuminate someone about the human condition in some way whether inspiring them or make making look at a certain issue in a different way um focus on that make that the focus the other stuff is noise the disappointments you it's all part of it you know it's all part of the struggle you know but the goal is to leave something behind that will help someone else hopefully in the future say oh wow I never looked at life that way oh I never looked at those problems that way that's an interesting way to to approach life um if that's the goal I think that that you can't you I feel like you you kind of can't go wrong wow what a what a wonderful way to end the episode here with Nester thank you so much for joining us and congratulations again guys you guys are amazing thank you for this this is I really appreciate this and and it's just wonderful I love talking to you well we would love for you to come back um I know that you're with your Emmy win when that happens and well all of that and from everything that you're doing because as I mentioned you before the positivity everything else you're going to be doing 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interesting I'm just like whoa so you really you know me you care you spend time on this it's just it's a cool effing feeling um and he does it everywhere he is it's why he's probably just s not the only reason but it's why people like him he's such a massive star like well he's just but he's he's genuine and you can tell and he brings that out to in his performances he brings it out in conversation it was a pleasure to talk to him it went by super fast could have probably talked to him for another hour because we did we we barely scratched the surface of his career um but we got a chance to talk about Shogun obviously which is what we wanted to talk about we talked about the Dark Knight which is obviously what I wanted to talk about you talked about the morning show we talked about lost which I think everybody wanted us to ask him about so it was even mentioned psych like it was that was cool he's worked on so many amazing things it was one of the not that I don't feel like with a lot of people we could talk for longer but there was it was one of the only times we when I look at the clock and I'm like oh go we're at 55 minutes and I genuinely think that we could have had him for three hours and not run out of things to talk about because easily yeah he's just done so much stuff and his answers are so he understands what we're doing like it even if I would ask a question and he was like I can't really give you what you're asking for but I'm going to give you something that the people are G to like yeah and it was like yeah you you get this you get how to give people information about what you're doing that really cool for that yeah because it's beneficial to him we put a clip out on the channel and people click on it and to look at oh what is he talking about with lost it's like oh what's he oh he's nominated oh Shogun I'm going to go check that out and watch on FX and it's like this it it he's he's smart and it's and it's a good it it was a really fun conversation I'm glad we did it so I'd love to hear your comments man put your comments in there about Nestor what you think of the interview as we continue on with the super sized episode of the big thing we're going to close out with this Roxy one of the things he was impressed with and what we're all impressed with is how much freaking TV you watch you watch I think he was scared I think he was afraid he was you 120 holy yeah maybe so there's stuff that you're watching tell me what's the first thing Bachelorette man oh gosh broke my heart this week because somebody left and it wasn't even who jeen was into but then she had a whole spiral session like am I not good enough for anybody and I was like girl no come on you weren't even that into him like we got on our big girl pants right now and she did uh I I really like this season I really like the a couple of guys on the show some of them are so fratty and douchy are gonna be perfect on Paradise so I'm looking forward to that also um but I used to think that she wasn't gonna be that entertaining because she's just so genuine and sweet and I think the entertaining part is that you just you want her to find her person you know that's the part that is entertaining that you like her so okay it's a good season all right so then moving on from bachette which is still that show's going to be on until we're long dead so I told you I've been slowly watching slow horses because the Emmys uh and I was like all right this show is nominated for a ton I gotta watch watch season one okay I watched season two okay I was like it's a little slow but then the finale the final two minutes of every episode have a big thing literally the big thing season 3 I have one episode left season three is so effing good really I don't know if everybody feels this way because I'm not watching with the people but I was I was not blown away by one and two how many seasons this is the the one that's nominated season 3 is the most recent season and it's coming back I think in a month or two or something for Four Season three is so good the cast is just now dialed in I understand the tone the pacing isn't bothering me anymore because I care so much about the characters that even when it's slow I'm living with them so I don't know maybe that's why this show is getting nominations now maybe everybody felt that way about season 3 but I've just been sitting here like what are you guys all talking about I guess because you care maybe they roped you in because you care so much because you watch season one and two you care so much about three yeah Poss possibly I don't think it's a ringing endorsement for a show where it's like just get through the first two seasons I but I haven't heard that though from everybody else that I've heard is that they love this this all three seasons like my friend David Gambino swears by this show yeah everyone I talked to too um my manager who you met he's like what are you talking about low horses is the best season 3 I am finally like this show is really good I've been wanting to watch show but it's good I've been wanting to watch it and so maybe I will you know did I tell you what I did what you did I watched I watched three seasons of The Umbrella Academy in a basically less about a week how you feeling I really like the show a lot good yeah I my interview with David castan actually drops tomorrow with in capes in capes and cows we're going to put it in capes and cows about the upcoming fourth season what I've been blessed man we were getting some good people like and but but I don't just mean like people that like oh what a good guest that is I mean just I like talking to these people yeah yeah that is always better when cool 100% all right next one you haven't seen the house of the Dragon finale I have not oh Christian yeah I know like what am I supposed to do with you did I just tell you that I watched three seasons of The Umbrella academ look at you right now did I just tell you that I watch three seasons the umbrella did I just tell you that I watched three seasons the Umbrella Academy in a we everybody is a lot of people were disappointed in this finale yeah that's what I heard I the penultimate episode was Stellar the finale is a little more lackluster okay but still really good and I love the politics of this show so we're wheeling and dealing and setting up for season 4 I think people are just exhausted right now of the boys entire season setting up for next season the bare entire season setting up for next season and now House of the Dragon finale setting up for next season I think people want payoff and those three shows coming back to back to back having those nerdy a audiences where all of them were really more setup I think people were just like screw you house with a dragon but I loved it so I'm not with the people okay fair enough I'll have to I'll let you know when I see it uh next one is to ought to handle how its finale listen I can't believe I did some research afterwards Christian do you care if I spoil this one for you oh I care so much I don't care yes so the two couples that were left they're still together and this show wrapped seven months ago that's the most success that this show has ever had uh listen one girl won $25,000 just for keeping it in her pants that's a lot of money to keep it in your pants nobody gives me money for keeping it in my pants I've really kept it in my pants I should be a millionaire uh and then the couple that won I thought they were really cute together so yeah I'm super I'm into this show it I don't it doesn't make any sense that these people every time they make out with each other they lose $6,000 what is wrong with you guys stupid [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] but it's fun to watch of course all right finishing it up I watched the pilot of My Lady Jane I did this as a watch along for the wh girls and I forgot to tell you about it yeah and I really liked it I'm gonna binge it this week so I'm telling you guys now so that in case you want to watch with me so I can talk about it next week but I thought it was really good it kind of is giving the great Vibes it's like an alternate Twist on history so this apparently this Lady Jane girl in real history she was beheaded and this show is like but what if she wasn't oh okay uh and she's a little Rebel girl so she's fun to watch but it's a little more mystical than that there are creatures and stuff and I I like the pilot so I'm going to watch the show well there you go that's a good thing to go into this weekend for all the TV picks Roxy this was a super sized episode and we got yeah we got your shun peeps we got your Shogun peeps we got your little see you thought Shogun was completely out of your life it isn't I didn't think that I knew Shogun wasn't going to be Christian I wanted to say this to him and I didn't um I feel like I'm owed a massive thank you from FX and everybody over uh at Shogun because I don't shut the [ __ ] up about the show yeah you're the only you're the only person because of you I know I'm not the only person but I really feel like I was on board so early and I didn't shut up and I called everybody you got to watch the show you it was you and Roa the two that wouldn't that kept talking about it and Steph Steph too too St too Steph was very mad at me that I didn't watch it for so long yeah Steph was like on top of this and she's not usually the TV girl so but I called everyone I mean my siblings my grandparents my I mean everyone watch the show I love the show so basically you're welcome you're welcome you know well thank you Roxy well thank you guys for watching the show really appreciate it love to hear your thoughts um if you want to see some of the clip outs from not only this interview that we had with Nestor we're also going to be doing we have clip outs from all the interviews that we did on the new Christian harof Clips channel that you can just go it's in the description make sure that you click on those links to our sponsors you saw our wonderful sponsors here today please click on those links like I said browse around you get something wonderful but browsing around helps us too so make sure you check it out please Roxy where can they find you everywhere at Roxy strier simple to the point all right thanks for joining us here today again thank you to Nester thank you to you guys we'll see you on the flip side everybody see you back tomorrow for capes and cows and our special interview on that super siiz show will be David castan from the Umbrella Academy talking about season 4 and it's going to be a good one so check it out all right thank you to Roxy here we go bye see you where's this leg I think I got it oh yeah I found it here it is [Music]