Ruud "the Bugman" Kleinpaste - Jamie Green - Radio One 91FM

bed right now on the phone from PTO Bello I have rude clonea plasa I probably got that wrong I knew I was going to but good morning rude no no no you're good at right CL PO is pretty good what you just did there was probably some of your best work oh thank you very yeah yeah you see the thing is you're not found wrong no that's right and and this see this is the thing in in life too what we're trying to do is is we're trying to minimize you know our carbon and all that sort of stuff output and we're minimizing all the things that we do so we're actually trying to be less wrong you know but why not try doing a bit more right in the world and I think that would be cool I think I I like that I like that yeah do more right instead of being less wrong right you're a civil culturalist um and a celebrated entomologist uh and you're in town no no hang on let me stop you there jery I'm a fraud I am not an entomologist I've never studied emology in my life no but you got interested in it I I love it it's my passion it is your passion but you're a silver silver culturalist yeah I studied forestry yeah I know how to grow big plants and cut them off the ankles I know about that um but then you but you you you were looking up at the trees one day and then you went to tie your shoelaces I guess and then you looked down into the soil and and the uh the leaf litter and then you found something new and exciting can I use that because I've never used that story I think that is so cool because everybody gets dead good yeah that's it it was kind of like that it was slightly bit different because when I was a young young boy of about seven six seven I was fascinated by birds MH and I had binocular since I was 6 seven years old and I was always watching birds and insects never came into the equation until at University when but the Father the father of a friend of mine a study friend of mine who was an entomologist pointed out that his bugs were feeding my birds and suddenly things became really interesting ah yeah you the chain began yes exactly and now I'm a lifelong learner and you keep on adding new things to it and I think that is so cool have um I'm surprised you actually haven't got an honorary doctorate in uh in in the col um enology by now no no I've got an honorary doctorate in I actually don't know what it is it's probably it's probably about science communication and yes and and and entomological awareness and all that but I I should look that up it's from the University of V it's I was actually blown away when I got it but I was really cool dressing up and all that but and it's and I use it when I need to yeah yeah of course but no but I suppose I it is like that for that entomological Journey yet yeah well I I think might have to make a a submission here um set a position um anyway what would that young man and I said I Ed young Loosely in 1978 on his way to SLE in a foreign country think of where you are now like would be thinking that's crazy it was crazy Jamie I just now you're putting it you have a neck of putting things in a really way I I can remember coming with my my one-year-old son who was crying all the way from Amsterdam to Oakland during the I must have hecked a lot of people off in the plane but um I came here and I've always wanted to go here because I read everything there was to know about New Zealand so I made a PO positive choice and the more and the longer I am here the more I believe that was the best choice I've ever made nice that's great you know that because if you look here in the Eden at what you guys have got in the form of biodiversity nature and all that sort of stuff and opportunity you can say this is it this is really it this is the center of the diversity on on on the planet almost it's amazing it's pretty amazing though it's got to be up there with Borneo yes Borneo was good it was good that's where I was I was born nor in Borneo but in Cho yeah in in in the but and of course the tropics have got a diversity which is because of the temperature and the climate and all that a lot different but my goodness we know B all about what happens in Borneo and we're starting to get a hold of the stories here in AOA and I tell you what I love it nice and we we love that you love it rude um now I mean like exactly what you were getting everywhere has you know every every little pocket of everywhere in the world has its own unique little environment right um and in Alti Den you know we all know about penguins we all know about the seals and the albatross but what what is it in denan what lies underneath us the things that we don't really hear about unless they're endangered or if you look at the Kev kishan velvet worm you know they were putting in a new Motorway and all of a sudden we all knew about this worm that we didn't know about before that's exactly the point and if you start digging deeper you suddenly realize all the the Miracles and the stories and the wonder that is living literally around you and it is only like a millimeter or so in size the irony is Jamie we we think there might be what 10 million insects on the planet we know only 1 million yeah and there and most of those just a name A genus name and a species name what they do for a living we have no idea so not only is this the center of curiosity where kids and people and Young And even older people can learn so much about nature um this is also the place that we suddenly have to be really careful that we don't do that damage like a other way and make stuff go extinct before we can even research them think about the stories tell about the stories and listen to this Jamie learn from these creatures because I have just realized lately that what we learn from nature is incredible incredible MH mhm and learning from is important yeah yeah yeah well I mean uh in a lot of ways right when some in some ways you look at frogs the canary and the coal mine um you know um and you look at other other creatures they they teach you how to look after we we um look after the thing we live on or you know and they teach us so many things but we don't tend to listen do we no that's the point and you know I I can sum it up in one sentence we seem to have lost the operations manual of planet Earth and we need to ReDiscover that in a h before things go wrong mhm I mean which animal make harvests things from nature extracts it from the soil uses it under Heat beat and treat technology like you really spend a lot of energy making stuff usually rubbish then use the stuff for a couple of months and then throw it away now picture yourself a map of the Earth and I'll give you a stick and I'd like you to point to that magical place we call a way yeah so if you then look at insects you'll see that they don't know the concept of waste that everything is a resource whether it's dung or or or you know whatever and they they have a circular economy soly I go hello Economist hello Economist are we still in the the the the linear economy of take make and waste or are we going to go into a circular economy and how what should that look like and when you start studying for instance just intake you come to the perfect picture of what we should be doing MH and you know they've been here for a lot longer than we have and they'll be like like like it's in 3.8 billion years of life and they'll be here a lot longer after we're gone yes yeah but we could be here a lot longer you had listen to them right that's right you got it it's exactly that and you you have to so here's another story so when life started on Earth we had a lot of methane in the air lot of also it was a toxic Place Earth it was not good and we got bacteria to start slowly cleaning up then we got little cellular life and we got stuff coming out of the sea onto the land and if you follow that whole story through and it's too long to explain it you realize that since life died on Earth it created conditions conducive to life yeah now that that simple sentence tells you that we're already doing it all wrong we're stuffing everything up that's right well with of course that's where the oxygen came from right you got it yes so far you've gone to the periodic system and gone to one element called o yeah yeah yeah yeah there's so many more to come and it all it all comes from um well you know essentially it's the waste product of a of of a living creature you got it yeah yeah yeah it's exciting isn't it oh it's amazing it's it's absolutely fascinating Roe I absolutely love it and I can understand why you got into it without studying it you just study for your life it's it's incredible um the things you've done because of course I mean myself and so many other people have grown up watching you and listening to you um and know I wonder does does bug in with rude is is that in the does that play in the NE is that screen in the Netherlands so all your family could see that it's actually true what you're doing yeah it was it was screening all over the world yeah I've seen episodes that were translated into Japanese and and Italian and I laughed and laughed laugh I've never heard a Dutchman speak that anyway like that but it was funny as to fight but it was also good to see for my family indeed because you know I I left in adland a long time ago M and my dad was always asking me what have you done with the degree in for and I said oh Dad look it's all right I'm doing cool stuff and said what did you do with the it was just so funny he was so he was so like that it was great and then he he had the audacity to go into Amsterdam W no actually regularly and if he heard New Zealand speak he would ask do you happen to know my son and he would do his own his own little survey this is crazy wonderful but he must must he did give me credit most that he met overseas knew who I was which I thought was quite something yeah quite proud of that oh but it must have been great from the first time he did that he been like no he's he's he's not he's lying to me he's he's probably doing nothing he's he's probably just chainsawing down pine trees no no I was I was as a student in the ne in the Netherlands I was not the first fly on the 30 though yeah I was actually I was a really thorough student it took me 10 years to get an Ever SE I was I was really ridiculous that's a while it's a while it sounds like me actually yeah well there you go all right so wild denen um the um the Festival of nature tell us about um what what what role you're playing uh within the festival because it's a big thing and I'm sure you're not part of every 50 event well no not on every event but we're going I'll be going to be spreading myself quite thinly over the next four days um but the big gigs at this afternoon I'll be doing a talk with teachers because I believe that what we just talk about can you imagine if you get nature literate teachers who's going are going to turn out cohort after cohort of nature literate kids so I decided why don't I do a little workshop with teachers and that's happening at uh uh 3:00 this afternoon at the Museum and then of course tonight we have the uh the evening starting at otago Museum where I give my talk um uh on on well messages from below let's call it that that's not I like that I like that why do we have to look up we can just look down eh that's the one that's exactly what we're doing so that's uh that's going to be tonight and uh then on Saturday I'm going to be to the I'm going at the market and doing an interview on excess radio with the kids this Barbara Anderson do you know that name she she she's she's a woman who works for I think land care research and she works with kids here and she set up a thing called aepe called mothet the most amazing wild needing initiative that I know in strikes in the heart of Education fabulous we've got a lot of moths down here lot of great moths and weird moths Yeah my cousin's a collector actually she's got one named after him who is that um his name is Case Case green he uh found one that hadn't been seen for 50 years and and and Brian petrick and people like that said yeah we know we don't know what it is let's call it after you yeah yeah Co see this is what I mean so this is the Eden for you I mean you have to know Bally who you know really and then you get a mo named after you but that's only a short time you live here so there okay so on Saturday we do all that sort of stuff and then we have Peter Peter hayen and Rob Morris are giving a talk at toy to at 3:00 that sort of stuff yeah and it goes on and on and on but the most important thing I think that I'll be doing here is a couple of talks today and and pop up and or a Cano on Sunday and so on and so forth um it'll be good it'll be bloody good man the whole festival looks absolutely amazing it is wonderful that is absolutely wonderful job but then again where else in New Zealand can you organize a wild festival and make such a comprehensive uh program where else but in Den think about that that's true it's true it's absolutely true well because we've got everything is on our footstep on Dust it's right there you tryland oh no still try they're still trying to wake up hope to get out of traffic going on a field trip in Oakland sounds like a nightmare an absolute nightmare oh I love it Jamie hey well we're going to have to leave it there thank you so much for uh joining me this morning it's been an absolute pleasure it was brilliant talking to you and it was wonderful wonderful having all these I loved your questioning it was good I I'll give you a call I want a copy of this tape because that's how you do an interview oh hey thank you so much and you started out on radio so that means a lot there you go no the problem yeah brilant um so everything is online on the wild denen website you can check out everything and rud will be today over at the Museum which is an absolutely wonderful place um once again R thank you so much for taking the time out to speak to me this morning and I'll be seeing you around Alti ped and Eden over the next few days yeah I'll be spotted in the wild indeed indeed thank you so much love your work J thanks buddy bye oh mate that was so nice rude he's so great um yes everything is online go and check out Wild denen for the entire program uh wild den.com uh see everything there rude will be talking tonight at the Museum but there is so much going on it's the holidays so get the kids out so many family events so many things are free go and see the Dark Skies go and look up and then go look down with rude there's so much to do so much to do right here is