I wasn't sure how the Cleveland Browns offense was going to fa in the early stages of training camp this point I'm glad to say I was wrong your latest lockdown Browns starts [Music] now you are locked on Browns your daily Cleveland Browns podcast part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day welcome back my friends to the show that never ends your daily delivery of all things dog pound LGB on the LLB the lockon Browns podcast BR a lot on podcast Network your team every day your host Jeff Floyd and I appreciate everybody who makes lockon Browns there first listen and the everyday crowd keeps growing make sure you do not miss out subscribe to lockon Brown's YouTube channel the show is always available it is always free wherever you get your podcast today's episode is brought to you by Game Time download the game time app create an account and use code lock NFL for $20 off your first purchase if you remember the other day I did a segment and it was don't be surprised if and a lot of it had to do with Cleveland Browns offense and whether or not they were gonna be able to start quickly against the clev uh Cleveland the first ped practice is the Cleveland Browns offense has actually fared a lot better than I expected um a lot of the Red Zone work deshun Watson has been focusing on throwing catchable balls um balls obviously that only his guys are going to catch great reception Thursday Amari Cooper right over the defensive back's head um there's this route and they've run this route for years with David njoku basically where he just does like a power slant and it's basically the ball to him the defensive back it isn't an uncoverable route to be honest with you the only chance the defensive back has is to maybe sneak a hand in or hit David nooku who they're most likely giving up 35 to 40 pounds to hard enough that they just lodg the ball from David aoku it's just not happening right now we've seen plenty of Elijah Mo whether it's in Red Zone work or whether it is in crossers and Elijah doing his thing um you know Browns have been showing some of the stuff we all didn't like last year necessarily with Elijah Moore um look you want to hand him a reverse or a jet Suite once every three four weeks that's fine um that is not the best part of Elijah Mo's game the best part of Elijah Mo's game is that he's a pure receiver which evidence showed last year once the Browns just let the young man play receiver not worry about the Percy Harish stuff that stansky used to witness in his days with the Minnesota Vikings Cedric Tilman has been pretty good pretty darn good to this point and when we talk about saided in his relationship with the wide receiver room you know Cedric brings something that the rest of those wide receivers don't he's just a bigger guy a more physically built guy still doesn't mean he can't you know get deep and today 40 yard vertical reception from Deshaun Watson certainly had the crowd in oo and Oz um certainly after you know everybody you know got up in arms because you know uh Sean watzer threw one Chili Pepper the other day short of a net or whatever I mean that that that's the stuff that gets the minutia and the monotony of training camp is that every single play if it's good is over analyzed probably far too much than it should be every play rep if it's bad gets over you know analyzed more than it needs to be just terrible you know to this point um just real quick with this um we'll get to into the running back room in Dante for in segment three probably had a chance to be the first segment of today's episode um but the news are good Dante Foreman has already you know gone to the hospital the nearest W hospital to where they are in green bar West Virginia was in row Oak Virginia uh they put him on a helicopter they got him over there all signs are positive but look this still doesn't mean that maybe Dante Foreman doesn't have a concussion of any of that sort or any of that type of stuff but it does mean neck shoulders everything body structurally is good but we'll get to the running back room certainly some thoughts there we'll do that in segment three um but Watson just continues and you know not throwing every single rep which is kind of what you know we spoke about and we have spoken about um look not every quarterback has to do everything in training camp um it is such a more modified process now more science gets into it and doctors get into it and you know doing away from the days whether were three a days or two a day padded practices you know which basically was just you know shortening careers because you know guys were playing so much football and Late July and August that was equating you know if you want to play an 18 Game season those guys were playing 18 Game season back then the amount of hitting and beating up but that's why you know we're smarter Society now we have a lot more education we have a lot more science to go to where rest days are you know vital for players um certainly you know monitoring the amount of throws your quarterback takes and all that has to do with the fact that the regular season is a million times more important than the preseason or even training camp of course I'm trying to get your you know quarterback your players to be able to give you the best 16 as they possibly can of whatever day game day is of said week um you know you can't really monitor the running game in this type of environment it just doesn't work you know you're really not trying to tackle running backs um and certainly they do not let anybody get close enough to get footage so we can monitor how the Run blocking schemes are work working something that we certainly would like to see as we do do have you know a lot of the new a lot new being installed into this offense you know through offense coordinator Ken dorsy and of course with Kevin stansky influence but of course with a new offensive line coach Andy Dickerson so you don't really get all of that you know we'll get a taste of it and kind of get a glimpse of it when we get to preseason gam certainly the players who are going to be participating in those roles in those preseason games they're not really going to be the main players that we're going to see come week one week two week three and so on and so on um so you know tough to get all that type of vibe but I mean and you get to it and you know you have you know with Amari Cooper with Jerry Judy who returned today in pads Limited capacity usually the way it works is you know you put the pads on you'll start to do your positional drills and you'll do anything where there is no contact but usually first day when you're kind of back or our back you're not doing contact just yet you're still working into it um you know it's no different than you know any other type of you know Athletics where you know you may be back but you just don't jump in full bore you work your way in and the rounds with the you know large monetary investment that they have in a Jerry Judy that's certain what they are going to do here the point is for Jerry Judy to hit the ground running the last week of August and September you know not to pick up the tempo now you're just continuing to phas him in phas him in um but you look at the four wide receiver set possibility of course of marari Cooper Cedric Tilman um Amar I'm sorry I'm just not doing any particular order Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore it is a really really nice looking group all bring different aspects to the table Amari and his great route running Jerry Judy some circus catchability and certainly his route running Elijah Moore quicker than a hiccup and you have the physicality and the size of Cedric Tilman it's that group is really really rounded into shape and all four of those guys you whether it was Amari Cooper um then the following off season It Was Elijah Moore drafted Cedric Tilman that offseason traded for Jerry Judy this year you so back twoe slot you put together basically top four wide receivers your wide receiver room and it's just got a really really nice look to it diverse all guys really looking ready to perform and for Cedric Tilman looking like he's going to take that jump here um he's really really been a guy that's contributed all throughout training camp and certainly does bring that size Factor something else to the room that the Cleveland bounds are currently lacking at the wide receiver position so you know continuing just to watch it unfold the way it works you know the practices in Green Brier they' had been pushed back they've had it been moved up dealing with some weather down there trying to get just the best elements you possibly can to get your players out there and of course avoid injury risk it's going to happen we know it's going to happen and it already has happened but you try to do everything you can to prevent it we'll continue on here your latest lockdown Browns appreciate everybody for being along for the 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the point that I anticipated um and I think there's a lot of factors to that we're going to point out a couple here for me one of them to this point David ajoku um and it wasn't a surprise as to what daavid nooku did last year um everybody knew the ability for David nooku was there as far as the athleticism as far as the traits and you there were times where we saw glimpses and then you there were times where you know there was you know a lot of mtime um you know 2018 after a good rookie year he starts to see some good things in 2018 2019 some Miss time then all of a sudden 2020 Browns bring in Austin Hooper because they didn't have a verdict yet on David njoku but you've always known that there was this potential with David and the question was whether or not David was going to be able to you know hit that full potential level and with any athlete you know until they can basically Unleash the Beast of their ability it it it changes them once they are able to do that you know you see players in whatever Sports you know all of a sudden they're just you know a good player they can do some good things and then all of a sudden that year comes where they put it all together and they go from a good player to a great player and that was certainly the case you know for David last year um overcoming the adversity of the accident at home you know showing how much the team meant to him by going out there and ra that Raven game and he wasn't able to contribute much but just being out there was important enough and week in week out he just became more and more a fixture of the offense and you're seeing that now in trading camp that has it left David knows what he now there's now a capability for David njoku there is a standard for David njoku of what type of player he is and the you know type of production that David njoku can put out there week in week out so now it's even for David it's a raising the bar of you know I want that I know what my minimum is can I raise that bar once again and with all that he can do and the fact that he can challenge deep he runs great Crossing routes for a tight end he is a difficult guy to tackle the blocking has come light years from when he first joined the NFL and it's a factor of you know and we say it all the time in the everyday or no linebackers cannot run with David njoku and defensive backs are too small to cover in David njoku so it makes him the ultimate mismatch nightmare now playing with this high high confidence level after what he did last year and you know certainly you know last couple of weeks of the regular season kind of being the focal point of the offense you know being the one who basically shut that door early Thursday night in the Clincher against the New York Jets it has just been an amazing run for number 85 and now that you know you've had that taste of such a high level of success you know you yearn for it you churn for it day in day out more and more and you're seeing that David is pretty much the one where it seems like the passing a is going through right now and if that continue to be the case which I don't see why not it cannot be the case it just makes Amari Cooper's life easier it certainly makes Judy's Moors Tans all the other wide receivers backs coming out of the backfield because if you have to account you know four you two sets of eyes to number 85 you can't single cover Amari Cooper you can't single cover Elijah War you know those guys are going to crush you in one-on ones that's just the way it is going to work so for David he's making this transformation making this jump from a very very good tight end to now a great tight end top 10 tight end maybe top five tight end and it just overall makes for so much more that this offense can achieve and the fact is if they can get so many teams on their heels and having to so much respect the passing game respecting number 85 and the wide receivers the running game which we don't know much about yet and you know we won't obviously um because you just really can't simulate that and you don't want to simulate that when you're practicing against your own teammates because all those scrums and piles are how people end up getting hurt and you certainly don't want to take those chances so you continue you know just with it and you know with you know the Ascension uh you know of David njoku and you know you talk about cedra Tilman who has been really really good to this point you know you see all these you know cimps and you talk to everybody who's there you know we hear about Amari Cooper haven't heard understandably so enough about Jerry Judy at this point and certainly a lot of his time as he's working his way back in starting on Thursday we have a good idea of what Elijah Moore is but for Cedric it's really coming together and you know I if anybody remembers I talked all last year about you know the just the difficulties it must have been for a rookie wide receiver to have to you know turn around each week and find that there's somebody else under their Center you know the only real Advantage at at any time where I think Cedric was truly comfortable last year ironically enough of course was you know playing with Dorian Thompson Robinson that was his best game last season in Denver while dill and Thompson Robinson started that game before exiting early still was a cheap shot it'll always be a chap cheap shot so DTR left that game early but that was best Cedric vman's best game of the career then you went back you know the PJ Walker route they went back of course the you know then a Joe flacko and you know he and Joe flacko didn't necessarily have a ton of sync with each other so it was really you know I got reps got a chance to work on some things but now certainly A lot's being changed with a new offensive coordinator um so you know Cedric the playing feels a little bit maybe more even now you know Cedric got reps last year and sometimes it's better you got to learn more from your bad reps then you're certainly going to learn from your good reps that's just the way anything works you know you learn more from your mistakes than you learn certainly from your positives so you know it's really been the fun for Cedric right now and just watching him and you know quarterbacks can get away with certain things when you're wide receiver 6'3 225 you know high in away balls you know you can throw those you can throw passes to C I mean Cedric zman you can't throw to Elijah Moore and the fact is you know because he's a bigger receiver you can maybe have him run those short more difficult routes your third and four your third and fives but once you start to click on a couple of those that's when the respect Factor comes in and people have to cheat up a step or two to honor that and that's what you get you see today where you have Cedric pass somebody for a 40- yard touchdown so uh you know s's said's been big he really really has and you know I know there's people already saying well how are the Browns gonna manage all these wide receivers you know this year well first off it's a great stinking problem to have it's a great problem to have because we know there's always people question of people missing time or whatever but the you know nobody ever complained you know that they had too much pizza right there nobody ever complained that there was too much beer in the fridge nobody is going to complain that the Browns are too deep at wide receiver it will work itself out everybody will get opportunities but I think the fact that we've got you know Cedric Tilman who you would say is probably wide receiver for Elijah Moore but I think it's that you have these guys who are probably wide receiver three and four pushing closer up to the pack and you know it just helps deshan Watson and his confidence level with every one of these guys it doesn't have to be you know all right third and seven if it's not Amari and it's not David we're probably not getting this first down that is what's going to make these this season hopefully even better than last season that's what makes it where you can maybe say it's not just the playoffs it's getting wins in the playoffs it's getting to the AFC Championship Game you look at so many big games in football history and it's not necessarily the Star Quarterback the star receiver sometimes a lot of times it is the Star Quarterback and wide receiver three wide receiver four because everybody put all their attention on the other top targets and the quarterback still had confidence in somebody else to get the play done we'll continue on here we said Dante Foreman injury we'll get the latest on that your latest lockdown Browns continues appreciate it ready for be along for the ride we get to the summer and to this time of year and the sports aren't sporting the way I want them to or the way you want them to but we're getting closer we've got football this week but the thing is FanDuel lets me keep the sports 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and at the time you know what we knew was severe taken off the field putting on a board taken off you know uh you know on the medical golf cart that accient was getting in a helicopter and flown to a different state because it was the closest helicopter I mean it was closest hospital to where they were so he went out to r no Virginia to get checked but my first initial thought was if we changed all these things on special teams I thought the point of it was to hopefully try and prevent player injury um luckily for Dev Dante Foreman the word is he is good he's been cleared he is ready to go back to the Green Brier and join his teammates again we don't know if it's a concussion there's a very good chance it could be but structurally his body is in good shape his neck his shoulders apparently all you know all his extremities he is moving okay but that was my first concern and my first scare certainly was that you know this you know was you know somebody and you know for the running back position you know it all comes down to you know when Nick comes back can they tread water while Nick is gone you know I still think Jerome Ford will shine to be the lead running back in the time he's away I think there is going to be a nice role for nem Hines for this team just with his versatility the things he can do out of the back field I was never that sold on Foreman um not that you know there just been a lot of mileage and a lot of hits on that body but this certainly does open up the opportunity for undrafted free agent Aiden Robbins certainly opens up you know an opportunity for maybe Pierre strong and there were some issues last year as far as you know holding on the ball for pier strong but you know I do believe it was the Seahawk game Pierre strong was able to contribute over a 100 total yards so there is Talent within that body there's no doubt but the Browns running back and we'll see I mean because if we we hear Foreman it's going to be a week or two you're playing preseason games next week right now Dante Foreman's not playing that game uh most likely nem hin is not playing that game Nick chub is not playing that game I really don't want to risk J own Ford playing that game so the Browns may be in a situation here where they may have to get a running back here and quickly you know is it going to be just a flyer on a guy I was actually hoping my guy Dylan Johnson who somehow already got waved out of his undrafted free agent role to Tennessee Titans was still available he already got scooped up by the Carolina Panthers so he's there you know do you want to go to a guy like Damen Harris who recently retired in March and maybe try to get you know him to maybe say you know what maybe I'm not done maybe I just needed the right opportunity maybe the Browns could be that opportunity veteran Matt breida 29 years old is out there and available these are all things to consider um Shelby Harris is still out of practice which means that's most likely you're starting two defensive tackles D thomlin and Shelby Harris certainly again we've talked about this we'll continue to talk about this you've got that Mike Hall morrice Hurst seak eeka all battling you know Mike Hall it's going to be my battling for legit playing time you know for Hurst eeka are one of those two battling for the last remaining spots at defensive tackle on the final 53 man roster now we get to the linebacker position Tony Fields is apparently in a walking boot uh Charlie Thomas who was an undrafted free agent last year out of Georgia Tech um he was put on the injur reserve list uh injured slash Reserve list so which means Charlie Thomas has sustained an injury so certainly an issue with him so certainly questions with that about that and you know for fields and you look I I think there's a really good chance Fields make this roster but we've been talking about this it is Fields it is dein Bush it is diabate is bookie Watson you probably have four linebackers fighting for three roster spots who's going to be the odd man out and for Tony field certainly not the best scenario for him to be injured at this point I do think regardless he's probably one of those four that has a lock on making that final 53 but it's certainly not the most advantageous situation for him to not be getting reps right now so you know you brought back Caleb Johnson they brought back him um he was released up about a week ago but certainly guys familiar with everything can come right in contribute immediately should be a guy that's going to play a lot in the first preseason game for this team so these are all factors that this team has to deal with and you know everybody's got injuries and you know for the Browns you know you're hoping and look at none of it it you know other than the foreman thing today seem to be really really serious you know we're waiting for tlins son coming back off you know the knee scope uh Greg Newsome coming back off the hamstring surgery um but you know you want to have all your guys out there you want to have everybody the best chance to compete remember like Jarvis Landry said years ago on Hard Knock is you know you don't want have some of your top players have to take more reps than they have to take but guys got to go out there to make sure everybody gets a quality look so you certainly don't want to be in a position where you're overworking any of your talents at this point in the season it's just foolish um it becomes an issue and then that's how these lower legs and these calfs and these hammies and these rolled ankles you know tend to pop up even more and certainly tend to prolong as the summer goes on so these are all things you got to watch out for these are all things you got to deal with so you know for the Browns it's been good news that nothing appears to be super serious on the injury front certainly got a scare from Dante Foreman today but it looks like everything on that front is going to be okay clevand Browns practice continues offense has looked much better than I anticipated to this point and kudos to DW and all the guys on offense for that I am Jeff Floyd I appreciate you all for making lock on Browns here first listen uh the everyday crash you're a bunch of filthy animals but you're my filthy animals join the filthy animals if you haven't by subscribing lock br's YouTube channel the show is always available it is always free wherever you get your podcasts this has been your daily delivery of all things dog bound LGB on lob let's go Browns