Donna Brazile on Tuesday’s debate and the 2024 presidential contest (Full Stream 9/9)

>> FOR DEMOCRACY BELONGS TO US ALL A GOVERNMENT FOR OUR TOMORROW'S WHERE I WAS TO SOUND IS WHAT WE GATHER BECAUSE WE HAVE CHOSEN HOPE OVER DOES THIS MOMENT IS YOUR MOMENT. IT BELONGS TO YOU. >> MEET THIS MOMENT AS THE UNITED STATES HELLO, AND WELCOME TO WASHINGTON POST LIVE. I'M MICHAEL SCHERER, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER HERE AT THE WASHINGTON POST. MY GUEST TODAY IS DONNA BRAZIL DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVE, FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR AL GORE, ABC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, AUTHOR TODAY THEY OF NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED, WHAT WE WILL GET TO TALK ABOUT, WELCOME TO WASHINGTON POST LIVED ON IT. >> PAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH THE WASHINGTON POST LIVE AND GET IT EVERY DAY IN THE COURSE. EARLY MORNING HOURS. BUT I LOVE THE WASHINGTON POST'S HAVE BEEN A PROUD SUBSCRIBER NOW FOR OVER THE YEARS, THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT A YEAR. WHAT I LOVE YOU PLUGGED IT BETTER THAN I COULD SO TOMORROW, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE TUNING IN TO A THE FIRST, MAYBE THE ONLY DEBATE BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP YOU'VE PREP CANDIDATES BEFORE FOUR PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES FOR PRIMARY DEBATES WHAT DOES KAMALA HARRIS NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TOMORROW FOR THAT NIGHT TO BE A SUCCESS? WELL FIRST OF ALL THIS IS HER FIRST BIG SINCE 2020 WHEN SHE DEBATED THEN VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO ANSWER THE WHY WHY WHY ARE YOU RUNNING? WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR? WHAT'S YOUR VISION OF THE FUTURE SHE HAS DONE SEVERAL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. WHY? BECAUSE MANY AMERICANS KNOW WHO SHE IS WHILE SHE'S BEEN VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST INVISIBLE JOBS IN AMERICAN LIFE WE NOTED PRESIDENT, AN OFTEN THE VICE PRESIDENT IS ASSUMED TO BE SOMEONE WHO'S THERE JUST IN CASE OR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE IN THE OFFICE, BUT OFTEN HEIGHTEN FROM PLANES SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO NOT JUST OUTLINES HER VISION, HER WAY FORWARD, WHICH YOU CAN GO ON HER WEBSITE, WWW.COM A HARRIS.COM. BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE SOME OR HER WONDERFUL CAMPAIGN AD SAID SHE'S RELEASING ALMOST EVERY, EVERY HALF-HOUR. I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONSEQUENTIAL DEBATE. FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER. WE'RE STILL A VERY DEEPLY POLARIZED, PARTISAN COUNTRY AND WHILE THIS ELECTION WILL COME DOWN TO PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF PRESENTS IN ABOUT FIVE TO SEVEN. SO-CALLED BATTLEGROUND STATES. IT'S REALLY ABOUT CONVINCING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS THE LEADER FUTURE SHE HAS TO OWN THE FUTURE AND SHE CANNOT GET RATTLED BY A FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. I WANT TO MAKE ONE LAST POINT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE ALWAYS GETS THE LAST WORD. IT'S I WANT TO TRY TO GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE. DONALD TRUMP WAS HIRED IN 2016. HE WAS HIRED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A CHANGE. SHE WAS ANTI ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT. HE HAD NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE AND THAT WAS REALLY GOOD FOR THEM. AND SO WE GAVE HIM FOR USING THEN WE FIGHT, WE FIGHT DONALD TRUMP AND 2020, A VERY IMPORTANT ELECTION YEAR, A YEAR THAT WE HAD TO CAMPAIGN VIRTUALLY BECAUSE OF COVID. AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HELLO, ELIE, I WANT TO BE REHIRED TO DO THE JOB. AND LET'S SEE WHAT HE COMES UP WITH THE DEBATE FORMAT IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN JUNE BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP? >> NO LIVE AUDIENCE. MICS WILL BE TURNED OFF. IT'S INTERESTING THIS TIME AROUND, HARRIS WAS ACTUALLY ARGUING THAT MIKE SHOULD BE ON SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME CROSS TALK. AND IT WAS THE TRUMP CAMP THAT WAS SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THE MICS ON. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FORMAT? IS IT GIVE AN ADVANTAGE TO ONE CANDIDATE OR THE OTHER? >> WELL LOOK, I READ THE MEMO AND I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE WOULD LIKE TO WON SIT DOWN VERSUS STAND UP AND TO SHE WANTED LIVE MICE, MAYBE A LIVE AUDIENCE. BUT LOOK, THE RULES WERE SET BY JOE BOUGHT THE TRUMP PEOPLE ACCEPTED THE RULES BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THEY WOULD NOT GET A SECOND CHANCE, SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE, I THINK THE RULES ARE THE RULES AND SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADAPT TO THEM BY, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY STAY CALM. LOOK, LOOK TOWARD THE CAMERAS OR SPEAK TO THE MODERATOR AND FORGET THAT THERE'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT HE'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT HE'S LOUD. WE KNOW THAT HE LIKES TO INTERRUPT, BUT THE RULES MAY COME FUN HIM TO APPEAR MORE PRESIDENTIAL. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE RULES CAN WORK TO HAVE BENEFIT BECAUSE SHE HAS TWO THINGS GOING FOR THEN MOST AMERICANS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S SMART. SHE'S WICKED, SMART SHE LIVES TO PREPARE HERSELF. LIKE MANY LAWYERS THAT I'VE WORKED FOR, MANY CANDIDATES OUT I'VE WORKED FOR, BUT THIS IS NOT A POLICY DEBATE. WELL SHE MADE DISCUSS POLICY IT'S, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP IS A SHOWMAN, SO SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PERFORM THE ACT OF KNOWING HOW TO LEAD KNOWING WHY SHE IS OUTLINING THE VISION AND AGAIN, IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM SO THAT SHE CAN GET A POINT ACROSS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW DONALD TRUMP, THEY KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT HIM I MANY PEOPLE DID TEST THE FACT THAT HE'S RUNNING AGAIN, ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING CONVICTED OF 34 POUNDS UP IN NEW YORK. >> BUT SHE AND NOT JUST BE THE PROSECUTOR, SHE HAS TO BE PRESIDENTIAL. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO LEAD TO UNITE US OR TRY TO BRING US TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME SIMPLE SOLUTION TO SOME OF THE HEART HARD CHARGING PROBLEMS THAT WE CONTINUE TO FACE IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH INCLUDES THE ECONOMY INFLATION, AND SO FORTH TRUMP HAS ALREADY BEEN ATTACKING ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYERS, ABC NEWS, SAYING THAT THE DEBATE WON'T BE FAIR, THAT THEY'VE BEEN UNFAIR TO HIM. >> I WANT TO ROLL A LITTLE BIT OF TAPE FROM A FOX NEWS INTERVIEW. HE DID LAST WEEK I HOPE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FAIR. WHAT PUTTING A LOT OF RELIANCE ON A NETWORK WHICH IS KNOWN FOR BEING EXTREMELY HOSTILE TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND TO I THINK 75, 80% OF THE COUNTRY IF YOU WANT TO REALLY KNOW THAT TOO HE ALSO, HE ALSO NAMED CHECKED YOU THERE, CALLED YOU A REAL BEAUTY, WHICH MAYBE WAS MEANT AS A COMPLIMENT MAYBE NOT YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT HOW ABC NEWS IS PREPARING FOR THIS? AND I WANT TO ALSO RAISE SOMETHING THAT CAME UP BEFORE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT. A COUPLE OF ELECTION CYCLES AGO WHERE AN EMAIL CAME OUT, IT CAME OUT THAT YOU HAD PASSED ON DEBATE TOPICS FROM CNN TO THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN. YOU SAID IT WAS A HORRIBLE MISTAKE. YOU MADE. YOU'VE APOLOGIZE FOR IT SINCE THEN I WANT TO ASK YOU STRAIGHT UP. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TOPICS ARE QUESTIONS WILL BE AT THIS DEBATE NO I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IT'S ANNOYING WHEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO'S A NOSE SERIAL LIAR, THE GUIDELINES SO MUCH. >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE HAS A BAR OF SOAP LEFT AND HIS MOM MY MOM USED TO TELL US IF WE SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT SOMEONE OR EVEN LOT, WE SHOULD WASH OUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP AND THEN GO TO CONFESSION. I MEAN, I WAS DRAGGED TO CONFESSION SEVERAL TIMES AS A YOUNG PERSON, BUT I THINK DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO ATTACK. I MEAN, THAT'S HIS WAY OF OF TRYING TO LOWER THE BAR AND TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BY SAYING, HEY, I AM THE VICTIM HERE UNDER ONE WHO IS GOING TO BE MISSED PRETTY WELL. KHELIF, HE GOING TO BE MISSED FREE TO STAY YOUR BUTT HOME. >> GO HOME. GO HOME. GO WHEREVER THAT IS, YOU GOT MORE HOMES THAT MOST AMERICANS, BUT IT THIS IS NOT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE AMERICAN OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AMERICAN ECONOMY. OUR SAFETY, OUR SECURITY, OUR PROSPERITY. OF COURSE, DONALD TRUMP WANT TO MAKE IT ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE DEBATE TOPICS WILL BE. ABC NEWS LIKE SEEING IN OTHER PLACES I WORKED INCLUDING FOX NEWS, HE FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I MEAN, THESE ARE GREAT NETWORKS. I'VE ENJOYED MY RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL THREE NETWORKS AND A FEW OTHERS. BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT DONALD BRAZIL. I AM A SERIOUS POLITICAL STRATEGIST. I'VE BEEN ON A BATTLEFIELD ALL MY ADULT LIFE. I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I LOVED MY PARTY. AND THAT ORDER FIRST, I LOVE THE LORD, MY COUNTRY, AND MY POLITICAL PARTY. WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS A DOWNED BRAZIL, GIVE A QUESTION, ALWAYS SAID THAT MYSELF, WHAT THE HELL IS, YOU KNOW? HE WASN'T IN THE ROOM IN 2016. WE HAD A VERY, VERY ENERGETIC CAMPAIGN SEASON FEATURING HILLARY CLINTON. AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT CAME DOWN TO HILLARY CLINTON, THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, UNITED STATES SENATOR, FIRST LADY, THE UNITED STATES, AND BERNIE SANDERS, THE SENATOR FROM THE GREAT STATE OF VERMONT MR. SANDERS WANTED MORE DEBATES, MORE TOWN HALLS HILLARY CLINTON WAS READY TO PACK IT UP AND SAY, HEY, I WON THE NOMINATION. AND IT WAS MY JOB AS VICE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTING ENGAGEMENT, VOTER PARTICIPATION AT THAT TIME. AND IT WAS MY ROLE TO TRY TO WORK WITH JOHN WEAVER JOHN PODESTA ON THE CLINTON SIDE, AND JEFF WEAVER ON BERNIE. BERNIE SANDERS SAID MY EMAIL WAS NOT LEAKED. WIKILEAKS, WHICH WAS A TOOL OF THE RUSSIANS THAT PUT OUT EMAILS AND MORE MATERIALS IN ANY PUBLISHER COULD, THEY TRIED TO CREATE A FALSE NARRATIVE WHAT CAN I DO AT THE TIME? WHAT I PUT MYSELF IN THE PLACE OF HILLARY CLINTON AND TIM PAYNE, HER VICE IT'S PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE AND MAKE THIS ABOUT ME. WELL, WE'RE LESS THAN 30 DAYS. I SAY, LOOK, I APOLOGIZE THAT I SENT INFORMATION OUT TO ENSURE THAT HILLARY CLINTON AND BERNIE SANDERS COULD COMPLETE THE PRIMARY SEASON BY HAVING ADDITIONAL DEBATES AND TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY. DONALD TRUMP CAN LAUGH, HE CAN LIE, HE CAN BE VERY CHARMING, BUT CAN YOU CAN ALSO BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A LATE-NIGHT ATTACK, DOG? HE LOVES ATTACKING WOMEN, HE LOVES ATTACKING BLACK WOMEN. HE ENJOYS THE ATTACK BECAUSE IT GETS HIM WHERE HIS BASE THINKS THAT TITAN, THAT'S NOT FIGHT, THAT IS NOT FINE. I KNOW WHAT IT IS. THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO FIGHT FOR VOTING RIGHTS. I KNOW WHAT TO DO IS TO FIGHT FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. THAT'S NOT FIGHT, THAT'S INSULTING PEOPLE. THAT'S DEROGATORY. THAT, THAT THAT POINT. HE JUST PROBE BUT I CALLED BOUNDS BUT NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY GOOD FRIEND LYNSEY DAVIS OR MY COLLEAGUE, DAVID MUIR WILL SAY, OR WE'LL ASK, AND I DON'T CARE, I'M NOT A JOURNALIST. I'M A PUNDIT. I'M A PARTISAN I HAVE NO ROLE IN ANY OF THESE DEBATES. I HAVE NO ROLE IN ANY OF THESE CONVERSATION, BUT AS VICE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I HAD A VERY WHAT ROLE AND I'M PROUD OF THAT ROLE AND YOU CAN ASK BERNIE SANDERS AND HILLARY CLINTON IF I WAS FAIR. I WAS FAIR TO BOTH OF THEM WANTED TO BE FAIR TO BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE I AM THE FORMER INTERIM CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TWICE AND NOBODY WOULD HAVE PUT ME IN THAT POSITION IF I WAS UNFAIR TO ONE OF THE MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES YOU JUST SAID THAT TRUMP HAS A RECORD HERE OF ATTACKING BLACK WOMEN. I WONDER IF YOU THINK THAT MAKES THIS DEBATE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I MEAN, LAST TIME I SAW HIM ON STAGE WITH BLACK WOMEN WAS AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO. I THINK AND IT DIDN'T GO WELL, I MEAN, HE HE BASICALLY LOST HIS COOL VERY EARLY ON IN THAT INTERVIEW AND AND SUFFERED SEVERAL NEW CYCLES OF PAIN AS A RESULT, DO YOU THINK THAT DYNAMIC IS A CHALLENGE FOR TRUMP THIS TIME? >> I HOPE HE'S LEARNED HIS LESSON IT WAS SOMEWHAT AWKWARD TO SEE A SIT-IN FORMER SITTING PRESIDENT UNITED STATES RAISED THE ISSUE OF RACE AND GENDER AND WAYS THAT I THOUGHT WAS HIGHLY DISRESPECTFUL. AMERICA IS THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES AND SHE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SAY, WE HAVE WE HAVE ALREADY LIVED THROUGH THAT DARK CHAPTER IN AMERICAN LIFE. IT WAS A CHAPTER THAT MADE MANY OF US SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS. IT WAS A CHAPTER THAT DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HOW HUMIDITY AND YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT. WE COULD BE LEADERS THAT WE COULD HELP WE COULD HELP LEAD THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WOMEN HAVE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS. IT'S BEEN PROGRESS THAT HAS ENABLED THE AMERICAN FAMILIES TO RISE. AND IT ALSO HAS ALSO HELPED CORPORATIONS, ACADEMIA, WHICH I'M ALSO A PART OF, LUCK TO HAVE MORE FEMALE PROFESSORS, MORE WOMEN IN C-SUITES, MORE WOMEN SERVING AS CEOS MORE WOMEN IN SPORTS, MORE WOMEN AND MEDICINE IN THE S.T.E.M. FIELD. >> THAT'S THAT'S RESPECT FOR WHERE WE HAVE COME AND HOW FAR WE ARE TRYING TO GO ON THE ATTACKS THAT HE MAKES, WHETHER TOM DONALD, BRAZIL AND I DON'T LIKE TO LOCK MYSELF IN ANY CATEGORIES BECAUSE IT BUT QUITE HONESTLY, DONALD TRUMP IS SOMEONE WHO INSULTED CALL A FEE OR RANNEY FIORINA, AND 2016, HE INSULTED NIKKI HALEY AND 2024. >> SO IF YOU REALLY ASKED ME, HE INSULTS ANYONE WHO IS NOT KISSING HIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I DON'T WANT TO KISS ANYBODY YOU KNOW WHAT? BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A HIGHER FAITH IN A HIGHER ORDER AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO SEE US COME TOGETHER. THEY WANT TO SEE US FIGHT LIKE TEAM USA DID JUST RECENTLY IN PARIS. WE'RE ONE TEAM. WE ARE ONE AMERICA. AND THE FASTER WE GET AWAY FROM THIS TRUMP ERA ERA, I THINK A BETTER OFF WE'LL BE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED TODAY. THERE WAS A POLL IN THE TIMES OVER THE WEEKEND THAT SAID 63% OF VOTERS WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS IS POLICY POSITIONS. YOUR, YOUR ESSAY IS BASICALLY ABOUT THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR VICE PRESIDENT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU MANAGE THAT AL GORE'S CAMPAIGN IN 2000, HE WAS IN THAT SITUATION HOW WOULD YOU GRADE, HOW WELL HARRIS HAS DONE IN THE THIS LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS? IT'S BEEN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME IN ESTABLISHING HERSELF AS SEPARATE FROM BIDEN AND ALSO DISTANCING HERSELF FROM SOME OF HER OWN POSITIONS THAT SHE HELD BACK IN THE 2020 RACE THAT SHE NO LONGER HOLD WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK SHE SHOULD GO OUT OF HER WAY TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM JOE BIDEN I'M GOING TO TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP. I LOVE JOE BIDEN. I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I WON'T HAVE JOE BIDEN POSTED BEHIND ME IS BECAUSE IT'S ALL OVER MY MY LIBERTY AND MY DINING ROOM. I HAVEN'T PUT THEM UP. YEAH. JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN A CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENT. HE HAS BEEN A PRESIDENT THAT NOW ONLY HAS LIFTED OUT OF THE DESPAIRS OF COVID, BUT A PRESIDENT WHO'S TRIED TO LEAD US INTO THE FUTURE BY INVESTING IN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, INVESTED IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNTANGLING ALL SUPPLY CHAIN CHAIN, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF A.I ENERGY INDEPENDENT THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO IS REBUILT OUR ALLIANCES ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE IS STANDING UP FOR THOSE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY. SO DON'T SEPARATE YOURSELF. I THINK SHE HAS TO PRESENT HIMSELF AS THE CANDIDATE OF THE FUTURE. THIS IS A TOY SELECTION BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE SHE HAS TO PRESENT HERSELF AS AS PART OF WHAT THE FUTURE WILL WELL LOOK LIKE. AL GORE HAD THAT TALENTED EASILY WHEN EVERYBODY KEPT THINKING, OH, IS YOUR ALPHA MALE OR OBEYED I'M LIKE, WHAT IS ALPHA OR BETA MALE? I NOW KNOW WHAT IT MEANT BECAUSE WE HAD TO SHOW BACK IN 2000, BUT RECORD YOU KNOW, RECORD JOB CREATION OF AN ECONOMY THAT WAS ON THE REBOUND. WHAT WOULD AL-GHOUL? WHAT DO DIFFERENTLY TO MOVE THE BALL FURTHER DOWN? THE GOAL, THE FIELD TO MAKE YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HOW MY HARRIS HAS TO REALLY OWN ON NOT JUST THE RECORD OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION. SHE HAS TO OWN THE FUTURE. SHE HAS TO TALK ABOUT YEAH. WE'RE STILL FEELING SQUEEZED HE'S I MEAN, I WENT TO THE GAS STATION JUST TWO DAYS AGO AND I FEEL THAT MY TEAM FOUND THE $40. I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT $60 AND IT WAS 40. I WAS LIKE, WHAT I GOT $20 MORE, YOU KNOW, I WENT IN PASCO AND GOTTEN SOMETHING ELSE AND PUTTING A HOT DOG, BUT SHE HAS TO OWN THIS ECONOMY AND TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN PRICES DOWN, INFLATION IT WAS COMING DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT COMING DOWN FAST ENOUGH TO HELP YOU PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY. AND ALSO SAVED FOR THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID SHE HAS TO OWN THE FUTURE. DON'T SEPARATE SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE FORGET THAT YOU'VE BEEN PART OF AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS CREATED 16 MILLION JOBS AND ADMINISTRATION THAT IS INVESTING IN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY I THINK SHE CAN DO BOTH. SHE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SHE CAN SHOW UP AS A CANDIDATE OF CHANGE AND KENNEDY FEATURE THAT IS GOING TO BE HAVE A MAJOR TEST TOMORROW NIGHT. >> I MENTIONED HER CHANGE POSITIONS FROM THE 2020 PRIMARY RUN THROUGH THE LIST SHE WANTED TO BAN PLASTIC STRAWS WHO WANT TO BAN GAS-POWERED CARS ARE STOPPED SELLING GAS POWERED CARS. FUTURE DATE SHE WANTED MANDATORY GUN BUYBACKS. SHE WAS AGAINST FRACKING ALL THOSE POSITIONS. SHE'S MOVED AWAY FROM I'VE BEEN STRUCK BY HOW SHE'S MOVED AWAY FROM THEM RATHER SUBTLY. SHE'S NOT SAYING THESE THINGS OUT LOUD UNLESS ASKED IN THAT ONE CNN INTERVIEW. THESE ARE BASICALLY THINGS ARE REPORTERS WERE BEING TOLD ON BACKGROUND BY HER CAMPAIGN. DO YOU THINK SHE'S DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY? SHOULD SHE BE MORE FORTHRIGHT IN HER EVOLUTION IN TERMS OF POLICY AS TIMES HAVE CHANGED, AS THE POLICY SIX OF CHANGE THAT SHE'S CHANGED WELL, FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DA SHE HAD TO REPRESENT HER COUNTY AND HAVE JURISDICTION WHEN SHE BECAME AG AND UNITED STATES SENATOR FROM THIS GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SHE HAD TO REPRESENT HER STATE. >> BUT WHEN SHE BECAME VICE PRESIDENT UNITED STATES, THIS WAS NO LONGER ABOUT HER 2019 PLATFORM OR HOT 2009 POSITION LOOK, ALL OF US WANT TO GO BACK AND WEAR A SIZE TEN JEAN. >> I MEAN, I WOULD BUT I'M NOT SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS NOT TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT TO GO FORWARD I MEAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHEN I HAD A REALLY STRONG AFRO HAIR. OH, ALL THE OTHER STUFF. >> LET'S NOT GET CAUGHT UP INTO WHAT YESTERDAY MEN. >> BUT INSTEAD, LET'S BECAUSE ON WHAT THE FUTURE MEANING FOR ALL AMERICANS, SHE'S NO LONGER REPRESENT IN CALIFORNIA AND THE UNITED STATES SENATE. SHE IS REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE FROM MY BEAUTIFUL HOME STATE OF LOUISIANA, BY THE WAY, I'M PRAYING FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE GOLF BECAUSE THERE'S A HURRICANE OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE TO PRAY FOR THEM, BUT SHE'S ALSO REPRESENTED PEOPLE IN MONTANA AND WYOMING? A YES. AND VERMONT AND MAINE. THIS IS THIS IS HEADACHE. WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT? WE SHE'S TALKING INTO THE CAMERA TOMORROW NIGHT THERE'S SOMEONE IN NEBRASKA, SOMEBODY NEBRASKA WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY. SOMEBODY WORD ABOUT THEIR CHILD GOING TO SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY. SHE HAS TO TALK TO MOMS AND DADS ACROSS AMERICA AND GRAHAM PARENTS AS WELL BECAUSE IF SHE'S TABLE TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND TO SHOW THEM THAT SHE SHARES THEIR VALUES, THEIR CONCERNS, THEN SHE WILL WIN THIS ELECTION. >> YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE BIDEN, YOU'RE AFFECTION FOR HIM. YOU PLAYED A BEHIND THE ROLE OVER THE SUMMER, WORKING WITH DELEGATES TO KEEP THEM BEHIND BIDEN DURING ALL THE TIME COME ON EARTH AFTER THAT FIRST DEBATE. >> AND THEN WHEN BIDEN GOT OUT TO MAKE THEM MOVE QUICKLY TO ENDORSE HARRIS, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT ROLE YOU PLAY THERE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU DESCRIBE IT ON CAMERA BEFORE. >> LIKE WHAT WHAT WAS YOUR JOB THIS SUMMER? WHEN ALL THAT WAS GOING ON IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS FIGHTING WITH ITSELF OVER WHETHER JOE BIDEN SHOULD BE THE NOMINEE YEAH, I'M FINALLY CLEANING UP MY HOUSE. >> HAVE TO THE MOST AMOUNT TO SIX WEEKS IN OF MY ADULT LIFE I HAD TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WASN'T A HURRICANE KATRINA THAT ALSO MUCH LESS THAN PAIN AND DAMAGE IN MY LIFE, IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT WE'LL CALL IT TO WAKE UP ONE DAY AND NOT KNOW IF YOU'RE DEAD, YOUR SISTER WHO WAS DISABLED? I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE MY FAMILY WAS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY MADE IT OUT SAFELY AND IT TOOK OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ABOUT TWO-AND-A-HALF WEEKS, THAT WAS A HORRIBLE PERIOD. I WOULDN'T WISH THAT ON ANY AMERICAN FAMILY, NOT ANY. SO ANYWAY, ON UNIVERSE, THEN HE'LL COME OUT GORE CAMPAIGN. I REMEMBER THAT THEM DAVID LEE, THOSE 37 LOAN DAYS, EVERYBODY KEPT SAYING, GET OUT, GET OUT, GET OUT, CLOSE IT DOWN, WHATEVER. AND OF COURSE, INSIDE WE WERE ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD COUNT ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED THIS FOR COUNTIES WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT 2000 AGAIN, BUT I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT THAT, THAT WAS PAINFUL. I THINK THIS ONE HERE TOPS EVERYTHING. I'VE EVER DONE IN MY ADULT LIFE. I'VE NEVER BEEN IN SUCH EXCRUCIATING PAIN. THIS IS THE KIND OF POLITICAL PAIN I'VE NEVER FELT MY LIFE. I HAD A SPLIT SCREEN ON ONE AND I CALL INTO NEW HAMPSHIRE. I CALL RAY BUCKLEY THE CHAIR TO PARTIES SAY, HEY, RACE, DANA, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOK AT ME AS THE FAYETTEVILLE CHECK BECAUSE I BET AND THEN IN DEMOCRATIC POLITICS BELONG, I SAY, RAY, WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW SHE DELEGATION? >> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING I MEAN, I ANTICIPATED AFTER THE DEBATE AS YOU WELL KNOW ON JUNE 27, AND BY THE WAY, DONALD TRUMP WON THAT DEBATE. >> SO WE CAN IN THAT CONTROVERSY, HE WON THAT DEBATE BUT I ANTICIPATED THAT MAYBE I COULD HEAR SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ANXIETY FROM THE VOTERS, FROM THE DELEGATES THEMSELVES. BECAUSE AFTER ALL THE PRIMARY SEASON WAS OVER I ONLY HEARD FOR MAYBE TWO OR THREE DELEGATIONS THAT THEY HAVE WON. >> A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE STILL ROCKING I HAVE BECOME SHAKY AND WE HAVE IMMEDIATELY DEPLOYED TWO MOBILE ASSETS. >> AND THIS WAS NOT CAMPAIGN DRIVEN, THIS WAS NOT DRIVEN BY THE OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT. IT WAS NOT DRIVEN BY THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THIS WAS PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND I CAN MENTION A FEW OTHERS. I JUST GIVE CREDIT TO ONE SOUL BECAUSE I NEEDED A PARTNER IN THIS AND SOMEBODY WHO WORKS LIKE I DO, WHICH TENDS TO BE 24/7 TO I CALL HIM MY FRIEND BAKARI SELLERS. HE'S A YOUNG MAN, HE'S A LAWYER AND I SAY BAKARI, I'M ON THE RULES COMMITTEE. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, POLITICS AS WELL. LET'S CALL INTO THESE STATES AND WITHIN THREE TO FOUR DAYS AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE BUT UNQUOTE, BAD DEBATE PERFORMANCE BY JOE BIDEN WE KNEW THAT BIDEN WAS HOLDING HIS DELEGATES ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY HAD COME TO POLITICIANS SOME LOCAL A LOT NASA. THEY'RE LIKE HE HAS TO GO. I SAID GO WHERE THE DELEGATES ARE STILL WITH HIM. I MEAN, HE HAS THE DELEGATES AND I REMINDED EVERYBODY ABOUT THE ROLES I'VE BEEN ON THE RULES COMMITTEE SINCE 1997. I REMINDED HIM ABOUT, YOU CAN'T JUST REPLACE HIM. HE HAS TO STEP DOWN HE HAS A STEP BACK. HE'S THE NOMINEE. AND AS IT THERE'S A PROCEDURE IF HE STEPS DOWN FROM THE PRESIDENCY SEE THAT'S IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS RULES AND THEY WERE VOTED UPON AND SEPTEMBER 2022 MANY OF US WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE RULES COMMITTEE, WE GO THERE ON OUR OWN NICKEL AND DIME. I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK. WE MOVE 45 TIMES A YEAR AND SOMETIME ONLINE, AND WE TRIED TO GET IT RIGHT. AND WE CAN ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING AS YOU ALL KNOW, VIPER WERE ON A PHONE CALL ON SUNDAY AND JULY 21, AT ABOUT 1:31, 42, I BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT SENT THE LEAD OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, YES, I RECALL WHEN STEVE RICHETTI OF THE WHITE HOUSE REQUEST TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. IF HE STAYED IN OR IF HE DECIDED TO STEP BACK. AND SO I GAVE STEVE TWO NAMES TO PAUL. I SEE I WANT YOU TO A GIRLFRIEND. WE CALL THEM DELEGATE DAY HE'S A WONDERFUL FRIEND AND MAN CAN COME BETTER THAN I CAN, AND I'M FROM LOUISIANA, SO YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GET THE NUMBERS MIXED UP AND OF COURSE, I ALSO SAID THE GYM ROOSEVELT, THE GRANDSON OF FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, WHO IS THE CO-CHAIR OF THE DNC RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE. JIM AND I HAVE BEEN CLOSE FRIENDS FOR A LONG TIME. AND I SAY THOSE ARE THE TWO PEOPLE YOU HE SHOULD CALL I WROTE UP SOME PLANS FOR HIM AND I SUBMITTED IT. AND THEN THE REST IS HISTORY, BUT I KNEW I HAD TO MAKE THOSE CALLS. WHY? BECAUSE JAMIE HARRISON, THE CURRENT CHECK TO MAKE THE CALLS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A VIOLATION OF THE RULES. HE CAN GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND I KNEW NOBODY IN THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IT WENT BACK TO THE DNC. AND AS A DNC MEMBER AT-LARGE, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, DNC MEMBER. I JUST CAUGHT MY FRIENDS AND MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS A CONTRACT CALLED MALCOLM KENYATTA AND PENNSYLVANIA CALLED AARON FORD IN NEVADA, PASSED SPEARMAN, NEVADA. I MEAN, LOOK, I'M A WALKING I'M A WALK IN TEXAS WELL, DEMOCRATIC POLITICS IS MY LIFE YES. >> ACCURACY THAT IS CHILDLESS WOMAN WHO DID YOU HAVE TO ARGUE SO THERE WERE THERE'S TWO STAGES TO THAT. >> THERE WAS THE ARE YOU STILL BEHIND JOE BIDEN, BUT THEN ONE BIDEN SIGNALS, HE'S NO LONGER RUNNING YOU ARE PUSHING FOR EVERYBODY TO GET QUICKLY BEHIND HARRIS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED. DID YOU FIND RESISTANCE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS EITHER BEFORE BIDEN GOT OUT OR AFTER BIDEN GOT OUT, DID YOU HAVE TO REALLY ARGUE? >> OH YEAH I FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFE AND I TOLD THIS TO MY OLD ASSIST AS HE SURE. I KNEW I WAS A LEADER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP I THOUGHT SHE WAS NUMBER ONE, I WAS NUMBER THREE AND I LET I'LL LET THE HOUSE OF NINE CHILDREN, SO I KNEW I CAN LEAVE. BUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW. I COULD EVER CALL PEOPLE THAT I TRULY ADMIRE AND RESPECT AND SAY OH NO, NOT ON MY WATCH. AND UNDER THE WATCH OF ANYBODY I KNOW, HERE, YOU WILL NOT REPLACE JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS. THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WITHIN OUR PARTY AND INCLUDING DONORS, SOME OF THE DONORS I KNOW VERY WELL, SMART PEOPLE, LOVELY PEOPLE. THEY GOT MORE MONEY THAN ME, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT I OFTEN REFER TO AS THE POLITICAL ALL SMARTS. I SAY, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU THINK YOU CAN OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS AND REPLACE BOTH BIDEN AND HARRIS AND IT CAME UP WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ABOUT AN OPEN CONVENTION AND A LITTLE SMALL PRIMARY. AND I HEARD FROM FORMER PARTY LEADERS AS WELL AS I HEARD FROM FORMER PRESIDENT'S. AND AGAIN, I WAS I KEPT MY POSITION AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT BOTH FORMER GOVERNOR DEAN OF ALL MY CHAIR ALONG WITH FORMER MY GOOD FRIEND TERRY MCAULIFFE TERRY MCAULIFFE. AND HOW WOULD DEAN I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T CREDIBLE. THEY REALLY STEPPED UP. WE DRAFTED A LETTER AS FORMER TEARS AND WE GOT IT OUT AND WE RE CIRCULATE IT. THERE ARE STILL EFFORTS TO BASICALLY REMOVE BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. AND THAT'S WHEN I HAD TO GO INTO WHAT I CALL MY MOST IMPORTANT STRATEGIC ROLE THAT I KNOW, AND THAT IS TO CALL PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY POWERFUL AND APPOINT. AND I SAID WE'RE GONE TO BAT THIS DOW AS SOON AS THE PRESIDENT MAKES THIS DECISION, I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS GOING TO COME ON SUNDAY AT 1:42 BUT ONCE IT ONCE IT WAS DONE, WE'VE GOT OFF THE CREDENTIALS POLL, WHICH MEANT THAT EVERY EVERY DELEGATE AT THAT TIME BECAME FREE. WE'RE NOT BOUND A RULE 13 J AND I GOT BACK ON THAT PHONE AND BY THE TIME I TALKED TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT 9:21 P.M. ON THE 21st, I TOTALLY WERE TIPPED ME 48 HOURS. IT TOOK ME 32 HOURS, SO I WAS QUICKER BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE OCCURRING BY THEN. I STARTED EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, WHAT STAKE TO CALL BE EVEN GOT TO WEST VIRGINIA. I'VE TALKED TO JOE MANCHIN. I WAS CALLING EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY WAS YEAH, I WANTED TO LAUGH NOW, I'M WONDERING LET'S WATCH THIS VIDEO AND PUT IT IN THEIR BOOKS. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS WASHINGTON POST CAME OUT WITH A POLL THIS MORNING ABOUT BLACK SUPPORT. I'M JUST WANT TO READ YOU SOME OF THE NUMBERS HERE. 69% OF BLACK AMERICANS ARE CERTAIN TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS UP FROM 62 AND APRIL. SO THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S BELOW 74% IN JUNE OF 2020. AND IF YOU ASK BLACK AMERICANS WHO THEY PLAN TO VOTE FOR 82%, SAY THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR HARRIS. THAT'S UP FROM 74% IN APRIL. VOTING FOR BIDEN, BUT IT'S SHY OF 87 THEY WANTED TO VOTE FOR BIDEN IN JUNE OF 2020. SO HARRIS IS CLEARLY HAD SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM THE SPRING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET AMONG AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS. BUT THE PARTY IS NOT WHERE IT WAS IN 2020 AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONCERN IN SOME OF THESE STATES WHERE AFRICAN AMERICAN TURNOUT, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ANY SCENARIO OF DEMOCRATS WINNING A STATE LIKE NORTH CAROLINA WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN AMERICAN TURNOUT. AND SUPPORT. SO WHAT IS GOING ON THERE AND WHAT MORE DOES HARRIS NEED TO DO IN THESE IN THESE FINAL MONTHS? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL YOU'VE BEEN READ MY MIND BECAUSE ABOUT WELL DAYS AGO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'M A FORMER CHAIR. I'M A PHONE MY CAMPAIGN MANAGER I HAVE SEVEN PRESIDENTIALS ON THE MY BELT IS A STAFFER AND I GOT THREE IS A CONSULTANT. AND I AM PAINED IN 49 STATES, ONE MORE STATE AMOUNT BECOME ISSUE. I SEE WHAT OTHER BIKINI. SO YOU KNOW, I FEEL THIS FROM A GUT LEVEL. I WAS DOWN IN GEORGIA A FEW WEEKS AGO. NOW ON BEHALF OF THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A CANDIDATE STAFF ANYMORE. AND I SAID AT THE SMELL IT THERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT I CAN STILL SEE WHERE THERE WAS SOME GAP IN HOLES AND SOME WEAKNESS THIS IS AN REACHING THE VOTERS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE $500 MILLION IN A BANK. YOU CAN RUN AS MANY AS YOU WANT TO. >> YOU CAN DO DIGITAL, YOU CAN DO TV AND RADIO. >> YOU CAN PUT STUFF IN THE NEWSPAPER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU SEE THIS GAP AMONG BLACK VOTERS, THAT SHE IS NOW EXPERIENCING, JOE BIDEN HAD A LARGER GAP AND NOW IT'S COMING DOWN THE ENTHUSIASM BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN AN ACTIVE AND GETTING INVOLVED. YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE. YOU CAN NOT, THIS IS NOT LET ME RUN IT ED. THIS IS LIKE, LET ME GO AND TALK TO MR. JOE. A Ms MARY, I'LL GO TO THE CAMPUS WHERE WE KNOW THEY ARE THEY'RE YOUNG, THEY ARE RESTLESS SEARCHING FOR TOMORROW. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REACH THEM THROUGH THOSE EVEN THE QR CODES THAT NOW EXIST EVEN SOME OF THE TIKTOK STUFF, YOU'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY MEET THESE PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE. YOU HAVE TO GO AND SIT OUTSIDE SAFE GIANT AGO TO ONE OF THESE, UNIVERSITY GAMES. BUT WHEN I SEE HOW UNIVERSITY THAT MEANS DOWN IN GEORGIA, YOU GO TO SAVANNAH STATE AND YOU GO TO ALL OF OUR HBCUS FROM MORE HOUSE TO SPELMAN, YOU WILL HAVE WILL FIND THEM. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REGISTER IN THE POLLS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FIND THEM. REMEMBER, DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF 545000 PEOPLE PER PRESENT THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN ANTICIPATING SHOWING UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T GO AROUND SAYING, I'M A TO TRUMP, BUT THEY DON'T SHOW UP. YOU SAW THAT FROM 2016 TO 2020, THE CAMPAIGN MUSK FIRST OF ALL, REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT IN COVID FOUR YEARS AGO, YOU CAN REACH PEOPLE TO ALL THESE OTHER MAGICS OF THE INTERNET. NOW YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO AND SEE THEM, TALK TO THEM AND CONVINCED THEM. I THINK THEY CAN DO THIS AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT SHE CAN GROW HER SUPPORT STILL FROM WHERE SHE STANDS IS A TIED RACE THAT MEANS THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE THE DONALD TRUMP EFFECT IN 20 YOU 24, BUT BRING IT UP FOR THE 5,000 MORE PEOPLE IN EVERY PRESIDENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY GOT ABOUT ONE MINUTE LEFT. I WANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE WONKY QUESTION HERE. YOU MENTIONED YOUR OWN RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE. I'VE COVERED YOUR RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE'S DECISION TO CHANGE THE EARLY NOMINATING STATES AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, CUTTING OUT IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, ELEVATING MICHIGAN. ONE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT CHANGE WAS IT WAS FOR ONE CYCLE ONLY. SO THERE IS NO NOTHING BINDING THE PARTY, NOTHING BINDING RULES AND BYLAWS TO MAKING THAT THE SAME ORDER OF STATES. NEXT TIME AROUND IN 2028, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE AS THE PARTY GOES BACK? KEN, TO THAT PROCESS AFTER THIS ELECTION, WHAT SHOULD THE ORDER BY OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE WHAT, WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED IS A PRETTY SOLID PLACE TO LAND I HAVE AN OPEN MIND ONE OF THE THINGS I ENJOYED THIS PAST CYCLE WE ARE SEEING 17 STATES COMPETE TO BE AHEAD OF THE CALENDAR WE CALL IT IN THE PRE 1TO, THE PRIMARY CALENDAR, THE WINDOW I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING SOMEBODY STATES ONCE AGAIN, COME IN, BASICALLY CAMPAIGN TO BE NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, WE DIDN'T SET OUT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE ASIDE, WE JUST GAVE ANOTHER SET OF VOTERS IN ANOTHER REGIONAL OF THE COUNTRY AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE FIRST DECIDED. >> IT WORKED THIS TIME. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL WORK IN 2028, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE EARLY ON IN 2025 AND 2026. I'VE BEEN APPOINTED TO THIS POSITION AND I WAS REAPPOINTED TO THIS POSITION. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THE NEXT CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE NEXT, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE COME UP WITH THIS DECISION, BUT I WILL GIVE MY INPUT AND THAT IS SHAKEN UP DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> BRINGING ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE NUMBER ONE, HOPEFULLY MY ALMA MATER ALSU, WILL HEAR THAT. >> IN STRIDE, GETTING THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM TOGETHER BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HAVING SOME DISAPPOINTMENT WEEKEND, IT'S THE SAINTS ME TO BETTER YESTERDAY, BUT THIS IS ALSO A SPORTS SEASONS. SO YOU KNOW, I GET I GOT I GOT TO FEED WAS GOING ON AND I'M HAPPY BOTH WAYS. I'VE LOVED SPORTS AND I LOVE POLITICS. SO I'M IN A HAPPY PLACE AND THEN NOTE, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE OUT OF TIME. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY. 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