Kamala's Empty Vessel Campaign, and Trump Makes Up With Kemp, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry

hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to the Megan Kelly show the conventions are now officially over thank God aren't you relieved I stayed up so late every day this week watching this terrible terrible production it I was I was bored I was tired I was uninspired but I had to be there because there was a lot of factchecking to do there were a lot of lies spew and um we needed to discuss it but I'm so glad that this is over so glad and now we begin the Sprint to election day vice president kamla Harris delivered her big speech last night H you know I thought it was the best she could do she did literally the best she's capable of doing and there's a reason for that we'll tell you what Mark Halperin is reporting some in the Press even thought it was magical ma it was magical and that it was make believe I mean this is not the real person we know who the real person is we've been watching her for years now there was no hint of who she actually is last night but she delivered a nice speech that obviously somebody else wrote for her and that's one of my other questions who wrote it because it certainly seems like team Obama is officially on board and all of that same team is all over the media praising her to high heaven without disclosing that they may be helping her behind the scenes which is unethical I'd love to know what about David Axel rod and the Pod save America guys are you actually writing her speeches and Advising her and then going on air and talking about how amazingly she performed because that's not okay John meum remember him out there oh Joe Biden amazing and it turns out he had written the speech and he was praising it on MSNBC anyway there's a lot of stuff happening around This Woman's makeover it's an Extreme Makeover and uh we may never get the answers it's basically just suppositions and suspicions at this point Her speech was short on policy for the American voters all the soaring rhetoric she's going to unite us okay sure we're not United we're not going to be United her boss said that too and then within a year or two we got dark Brandon uh it wound up being one of the shortest acception speeches in history which we were grateful for let's be honest so late thank God for those counting it's now been 33 days since Miss Harris took the Paton received the torch from President Biden and we still have not seen one interview and no news conferences she took a couple of questions at the back of the plane one day which were absolutely non-substantive And yet when the VP passed by the media this is their big chance NBC News was back there last night after her speech it's Kamala it's Tim Walls this is it this is great this is your chance as a reporter to freaking ask a real question question this is what happened Madam vice president how do you feel tonight I feel good now on to tomorrow good to see you last night yeah congratulations to you to Governor walls Mrs walls congratulations thank you good it's felt good I mean listen we've got 75 days to go so maybe for better and For Worse that's the way I am like that was good now we got to move on to do eny one night nice to see you congratulations oh my God nice to see you walls congratulations sir Ah that's that's NBC's Kelly O'Donnell also known as the outgoing president of the White House correspondence Association you know the people who are supposed to hold this Administration to account the same people who weren't interested in the fact that u a Parkinson's doctor had visited the white housee rep L when Joe Biden well oh wait he's still in office when he was in office and they still loved him that that White House correspondence Association the other person with her yelling congratulations that's Peter Alexander NBC News White House correspondent you have one job one job and it is to cover the White House and now this presidential race all those who want to be in the White House and you failed you had this big they tweeted that out it's not like somebody caught it on tape and then tweeted it out to embarrass them they tweeted it out they're proud of this joining me now two of our favorites Rich Lowry he's editorinchief of National Review and Charles CW cook senior writer at National Review and host of The Charles CW cook podcast for all of their work become an NR plus subscriber you will not be sorry you did one of the favorite things of mine on the NR website nationalreview.com is you can listen to all the Articles so when I'm getting ready in the morning when I'm walking the dog I click on the audio and you can listen to them even if you're not a subscriber but if you do you have to listen to the ads which of course we never want to listen to because we want to get to the content so you have no ads when you do that uh on the audio that's yet another reason to subscribe and it's not that expensive don't miss a moment subscribe to this show on YouTube and follow me on insta Facebook and X did you know know that there is nearly $1 trillion of 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should have Charlie start reading those articles really slowly Megan so you have to listen to them times two speed like your moink ads sharply loves boink okay guys can you believe that I like it's one thing to say congratulations and then Madame vice president you know you said the following Trump's already saying that's not true whatever you you always have a sub substantive question up your sleeve in case you get access but it was just like we saw all week with her uh congratulatory pat on the back let's enjoy the coronation Rich yeah I mean the Press Corp has changed I don't know whether you remember Jack germond he used to be on the mlin group I think he with the Baltimore son but he was this overweight balding rumpled guy who who wrote new numerous campaign books I just can't imagine him ever congratulating anyone for anything right he just wasn't on board he was hard bitten and skeptical if not cynical about everyone and we have a press score that's totally different now it's more quote unquote professional although their work isn't as good and fair anymore and they're totally on board and we we talked about this I I think right around the time that the transition was happening to kamla how how just in the tank the Press would be but it's it's shock me even knowing what it would be or thinking I knew what it would be like going in it's it's even been worse than I could have imagined and to have you know one of the few opportunities ever presented to ask an unscripted question and to say how do you feel and congratulations is just it's just typical it's the the the reaction to what we saw as a fairly anod speech charlyy I mean she really said almost nothing um she delivered it well especially for kamla who we know how she actually speaks was sickening I mean the the it's beyond spin it's just it's almost gaslighting I'll just give you I'm G to give you three examples here I'll play you a triple sound bite Rachel mattow Jake Tapper and Jen saki listen to this reaction all right you'll remember where you were um when you heard this speech tonight from the vice president of the United States you're going to remember where you were on this night this is an inflection point in history it was a remarkable full address one that I've never seen her give quite like this before a very very powerful speech you got to go back I think to Barack Obama in 2008 for a democratic speech like this perhaps even a speech like this at all is this magical charismatic quality in person so do a lot of politicians people say that about Hillary Clinton also true the public has to see it in order to get you elected and tonight and over the last couple of weeks she showed the public said so the text messages that I'm getting what did you mean well I mean by that is she just that was fierce and fearless how she just delivered that that's who she has been Charlie I I I'm sure you're in the middle of writing your National Review column with those same words Fierce Fearless magical Charisma is that how you experienced it well actually I managed to get a really quick tattoo of her face on my arm this morning I was so moved uh it was fine it was fine she read from a teleprompter she was better than she has been she also said nothing I think this is one thing those people are missing is that the reason that it went okay was that she said nothing they had focus groups who also said it was fine I think I saw CNN's went out to a B+ and the reason for that is that when you deliver adequately uh speech that is reasonably well written with lights on you and people waving flags and say absolutely nothing that could challenge or upset anyone they will give you reasonable marks for it but that reaction that you just played is absolutely Preposterous and it was it was fine as I say there was a piece in The Daily Beast this morning by David Roop that I think people should look up and read you got to read 16 paragraphs of it that honestly reads as if we've just won a World War that we've been in for eight years it is the most ridiculous hyperbolic hysterical thing I've ever seen but I assume most of it was written before the speech was given because Harris is a uh is a creation of the press she's an avatar her campaign does not exist at the moment H and the response was like the speech at itself completely fabricated yeah is that the you said daily bees because there's um their headline is KLA Harris nailed the greatest speech of her life and to that I thought yes well that that's true but I like look at all the others but what's what's so ging about it rich is we're not you know tappers CNN mattow MSNBC we showed you the NBC reporters here's John Carl at ABC this is all the mainstream this is is who reports on and controls the messaging in news listen to Jonathan Carl she gave a speech George that if you take out that section on abortion rights much of this speech could have been delivered at a republican convention a republican convention before Trump this is a a a kamla Harris that sounded a little bit more like Maggie Thatcher or or Ronald Reagan my I'm friends with John Carl and a admire his work but that's that's overly enthusiastic and it it's it goes to the falsity of it right when did she even if it's true and I don't think it's true if you read it line by line when did she become a republican right and shouldn't we want to know how this happened what what's this massive change that she's undergone in her thinking but there had there is no thinking she she is reading a campaign from a teleprompter that's what her campaign is she does it competently I I thought the speech was fine it was the best speech she's ever get given but that's obviously an extremely low bar and it wasn't even the best speech at the convention which might have been Michelle Obama right that line that Michelle Obama had about uh who's gonna tell Trump you know that maybe the presidency is one of those black jobs he talks about I don't know whether she came up with that on her own but it was a great line and she owned the line and she's a natural at this in a way kamla isn't she's a manufactured uh production she's uh more of a complete Cipher than we've ever had in recent presidential politics this amazing event happens where the presidential nomination handed to her we don't hear anything about it in her own words how she felt what was her role in the transition she picks a vice presidential candidate no sitdown interview the way you'd always have with a V pick and no interviews or major press availabilities um before or during her convention and it's obviously because they switched out a candidate they didn't trust in spontaneous settings and replaced him with another candidate whose Young and better at the teleprompter but that they also don't trust in spontaneous settings yeah Ben Shapiro is taken to calling her Scala she he's not wrong this whole thing that's that was my biggest takeaway last night was it was irritating because she did well in Reading Her speech that obviously had been written for her she did well in delivering it and and she is an empty vessel she remains an empty vessel we don't know what we're electing we have clues that suggest she is nothing like the moderate Her speech writer wants us to believe she is but they're perfectly happy they the Democrats and the media that's covering for them to to keep it a mystery Charles because they understand the truth will not inur her benefit and their main takeaway is that Trump is just so such a special evil he must be stopped and we don't really care what's in the bill we'll have to pass it before we can read it yeah and it's a huge problem for them in the long run because even if it works people will eventually notice I mean Harris has not actually Advanced a single argument she's made the case that she should be president quite why she hasn't explained but she hasn't made an argument for a set of policies in which she believes or that her party is superior and so if she does become president I think a lot of people are going to be very quickly shocked and the only concession to policy in which she is thus far indulged was to talk about price controls and subsidies for housing demand which was Savaged Savaged in the Washington Post Savaged at CNN Savaged by every major Economist and the best Jason Ferman who was Obama's favorite Economist could say was well it probably won't happen which is not a ringing endorsement and so she stopped that quite quickly H this is an empty campaign she is a a shell and as I said earlier and as you have intimated with the clips that you've played she has largely left the details of who she is what she stands for and what she would represent to the press and it reminds me of this Old Ricky ja joke where he's talking about God creating the Earth and you know he says and he created the lands and the sees and he creates the animals and then he says and it was good and J says wasn't that great you get to review your own work you get to do all the work and then you're the guy who gets to do the definitive review of your work this is how I feel about the Press they've created this completely false person and they've managed to promulgate this abroad the land so that everyone has this this insincere conception of Cala harth and then they report on that they say wow look she's doing okay in the paws or people think that she's the future or people think that she's full of joy well yeah cuz you just told them um assiduously who she is you you you you you did the work and now you're doing the review there's a couple things on that so I mentioned at the top of the show um our friends over at commentary uh Matt ketti goes on that um podcast and he was suggesting today that if you read her speech it matches up perfectly with everything David Axelrod has been saying saying for a year about how Biden needed to change his messaging that the safe democracy stuff wasn't working and that what he really needed to do was change the messaging in a way that matches up perfectly with everything Kam Hara said so that's Axel Rod then today look at uh there's John favro he's part of pod save America KLA Harris absolutely crushed this presidential as any convention speech I've ever heard Ben rhods former deputy National Security adviser under Obama Kamala just did some real work on foreign policy combating ocracy supporting allies standing up to Putin speaking to the suffering of Palestinians in a way that we rarely hear this is someone ready to be president right now um my my my thought is that if any or all of these guys rich is actually advising her on how to craft Her speech her policy or otherwise behind the scene then this is absolutely grossly disgusting and irresponsible that that needs to be disclosed you you can you can help her Rod can help her favro they can all help her not without disclosing it and not without then going out and commenting on the very things that you may or may not but may have been advising her on I believe is isn't Axel Rod's former political consultancy working for her now and certainly Axel Rod David fluff is yeah so I mean it's it's all all the kind of former Obama crew and and axel Rod you know to's credit has been right about most things I mean he he was early on saying this age thing is a problem for Joe Biden early on saying we we got to we got to dump him and he's right about the Democracy message there was some of it at the convention we saw Another You Know video of a montage of the shocking images from January 6 he had Jamie Raskin and others making a January 6 type case but I don't think Barack Obama if I'm not mistaken I don't think he mentioned it once and KLA did did mention it but it wasn't the main focus and I think they're right to make a case against Trump that's more of the the kind of argument you make against the conventional Republican he wants to tax uh cut taxes for the rich he's out of touch he's all about the billionaires he wants to cut Social Security and Medicare which he doesn't and he wants to ban abortion and he's very familiar and divisive and is time to move on that that is a much more sensible case than what they were trying to do and what the Biden campaign was trying to do true I mean it and no one would dispute that that's a better message but my only suggestion my not suggestion my what I'm saying explicitly is if Axel Rod actually is advising this campaign in any way and then goes on CNN as a supposedly right clear-minded objective analyst understanding he has Democrat you know leanings and and has helped Obama That's dishonest that is unethical it's unethical by CNN this is what John meum got in trouble for over at MSNBC where he he had written the Joe Biden speech I can't remember which one it might have been the State of the Union remember this and then he went on MBC it was soaring it was amazing oh really you really love your own pen yeah it also could be could have been the Jim Crow 2.0 speech I I forget but but these all these Charlie mentioned this on the the editors recorded a while ago all these same people these historians John meim and and others Doris KS Goodwin who advised Obama uh Biden and tried to convince him he was the next FDR are gonna be there right uh in January if she wins saying the same things Whispering the same things in her ear so so no matter what she's running as now she will attempt to be a transformational left-wing uh president LBJ and FDR all wrapped into one as soon as she assumes office here's another one for you Jonathan Chate New York Magazine best acceptance speech I've ever seen he goes on to say it was perfect absolutely perfect um okay that's not that's not what I saw but I did see somebody who was a good reader and managed not to do the weird cackle know somebody was asking about this the other day online about you know the joy joy joy joy joy joy I mean it's everywhere it's so annoying Matt Tai's been going off on this it's really irritating him um it's obviously all a campaign to excuse away her bizarre cackle and the inopportune inappropriate times she uses it Charles to me this this whole thing has been actually a very smart and effective rebranding effort Trump's big you know his greatest gift is marketing and the Democrats appears to be branding which is slightly different but related thing they took one of her biggest weaknesses this weird off-putting strange cackle and they rebranded it joyful she's joyful the Republicans are Dow that was in her speech last night talking about how they're so down they're messaging so down she's happy you see she's not depressing she's a cack that that shows how joyful she is is and we're supposed to accept this as a policy prescription for our inflationary and Border problems it's risky though it is working at the moment but it is risky I think there is a very thin line between turning somebody's liabilities into a meme and making them cool by some strange process of alchemy and that person becoming a joke as a result I mean a lot of the memes about Kamala Harris if the circumstances change are going to look like criticisms the coconuts and the rebranding of the laugh U the palm trees and so on because she hasn't fundamentally changed I it's funny you played that clip the first one you played of the journalists being obus when around her she cackled she said two words and then she cackled so she can hide it on a stage but she can't hide it forever because that's who she is and I do think although I think she has a real good chance of winning in November I do think that the time for a completely substanceless mediad driven vacuous campaign is coming to an end I actually don't think that the public is shallow enough to let this continue continue unchallenged for another 70 days maybe something can replace it and it will infuriate us just as much but there's going to come a point especially when Americans tune in which they tend not to really uh until the election gets closer when they say okay but what else is there who is this person what has she done what has she think what has she said um I think they believe that they can get away with this inde definitely I don't think that they can because I don't think you can indefinitely make her appealing so there's going to have to be something else as interference well you know you you raise an interesting point how she the cackle came out after 2 seconds in that exchange so we've now learned from the reporting that she was very brushed back on her heels after her interview with Lester Holt where I mean truly one of the nicest guys in journalism um and he said to her you haven't been to the border and she say she's the borders are and she's like and I haven't been to Europe right and everyone saw what a FAA it was and how dumb she looked and the reports are that she was actually very rattled by her own performance and went underground for a while like started hiding from the press and started Googling what Fox News was saying about her it's the same person Rich who last night got up there and in one of the few references to her father where's her father by the way where is her father her father is alive but was not there and apparently does not have a relationship with her we looked for any sort of public comment it's been years since he said anything about her I have no idea what the story is the guy was absolutely a Marxist he met the wife at a civil rights event she appears to have been very marxy too and that's their daughter I really don't know what happened to Donald Harris anyway she said said in one of the few lines about him that the mother when they went to the playground would say stay close and the father would say run Kamala run Don't Be Afraid don't let anything stop you from my earliest years she told us he taught me to be Fearless but Rich she's not and this reminds me so much of the you know how it is when when you're at a cocktail party and somebody's like oh well I'm the kind of person who and then whatever comes next is a is a lie about themselves right it's what they wish they were because nobody talks about themselves that way the seven foot center doesn't tell you how tall he is so the fact that she's telling us I was taught to be Fearless the same woman who had to rehearse her dinner party conversation with her staff it's a lie right she is scared and that's a danger you put somebody like that in the position of the presidency and you don't know who's calling the shots yeah so this is the case that Trump has to make a lot of Republicans are saying it's it's all about policy he's got to talk about policy yeah you should talk about policy but it all needs to come back to the sense that she's weak that she's a phony and that she's a mouthpiece for others so therefore she's not suitable to be president that's that's what you're you're going that's the clinching argument uh at at the end of the day she's not suitable for this job the fact that she can't do interviews the fact that she was too weak to stand up to the left in 29 and told them everything that they wanted to hear and now has totally reversed herself and is all on teleprompter she's too weak she can't do this job and and that's that's the case that Trump has to make now he's gonna he has the media against him of course as all Republicans do but the the the headwinds now are stronger than they've ever been but he's got to expose her and I think you know eventually she'll do an interview I mean she's on the record saying she'll do one by the end of the month the days are ticking away here but I think it'll be you know she'll sit down with t Tim Waltz and and they'll do an interview with Rachel madow nearly weeping with joy during the whole interview and they can say they they did it after that does what does she does she have to do another ones which really is going to put a huge emphasis on the debate I think here Republicans are way o overconfident I mean she's memorizing no cards as we speak and and Trump needs to destroy her but he has to destroy her in a particular way without doing what he did in the first presidential debate in 2020 and that's gonna be a much harder task than he had against Joe Biden Joe Biden just had to get out of the way and he got out of the way and Joe Biden fell flat it turned out to be a catastrophic success for Donald Trump right it was it turns out to have been idiotic for Trump to agreed to a debate that early in the cycle he should have waited until September after the convention or late September so they couldn't do this this Switcheroo but now he has a much more difficult political problem to deal with it's so crazy that that wound up being the most consequential and as it turns out bad for Trump decision of this whole thing it seemed like such a smart move at the time right like yes agree to any debate anywhere because we know Trump's going to win we just didn't expect him to win quite that handily and for it to be such a GameChanger I've got to get to this this is remarkable back to the curated version to your word Charles Avatar that she is and that we saw last night Mark Halprin uh who's obviously got very good Democrat sources because he's been breaking the news on the Biden Saga before virtually anybody tweeted this out last night listen to this just asking what highflying democratic Rising Star obviously this is about comma who is Seeking a big promotion on a fast track has upped her speechmaking skills with the help of friendly top level Hollywood Talent the volunteer Pals of this Super Active politician many of whom are extremely creative artists including at least one Lord have been secretly coaching her ever since her boss stepped aside offering up dos and don'ts about communicating the members of this Tinsel Town Mafia are excited to see a looming high-profile demonstration of the fruits of their collaboration hat tip a little birdie it's amazing to me she's at the point where Merill stre I don't know who is sitting her down and gave pointers Charles this is per Halprin of you know this is how you hit this line This is how you Crescendo here here's where you could use a pause the absurdity the fallacy and contrast that with Trump who I realized went on way too long I was there we were all falling asleep but at least it was him at least you know what you're actually getting with that guy this is an art creation it's it's an art project that they're doing with her yeah so what bothers me about that is that it's not accompanied by any sort of thought or substance it is a movie that's the whole thing there's a script and light and there's nothing substantive below it if the story here were that you had somebody who was a person of substance who had strong views to which she had held for a long time or had changed with explanation had made a full account of her having shifted on everything over the last last five years and that person wanted help presenting her Notions to the public it would bother me less for example Ronald Reagan not that he needed too much help was an actor it helped that he was an actor he had a lovely voice he knew how to deliver a line he knew how to stand up straight and how to use his Charisma but he also really believed things deeply he read a great deal he thought a great deal he shifted over time from being a new deal Democrat to being a what became a Reagan Republican he explained those changes he made speeches when he wasn't running for anything you know and the time for choosing speech was not in Pursuit at least directly of his own political career it was on behalf of Barry Goldwater that's not a problem uh if you have a candidate who is not a great public speaker isn't eloquent isn't their format Thomas Jefferson not that he lived in our age but he wasn't a great speaker for example one reason he stopped giving the State of the Union but who had uh convictions and ideas again if they want help that's fine what is so grotesque about this is that it's almost a Wag the Dog scenario where there's no war so they're going to the Hollywood Mogul the Dustin Hoffman in the analogy and they're saying create this war for me and suddenly you have a green screen and curs in dunce with the little dog running through and all of the effect sh but there is no war the country that they're supposedly at war with doesn't know about it there's no Munitions there's new soldiers there's no explosions there's nothing and Camala Harris is a nothing there's nothing underneath it so she's not going saying hey please help me convey what it is that I want to get across cuz I'm not very good at it I would understand that she's saying help me be something that I'm not and con the electorate into making me president of the United States and like you Megan I'm actually revolted by this I I I just don't want this to be our system same I just I I can't believe she's getting away with it and she is getting away with it but for how long you know the the Bloom to me seems to be coming off the rose we talked yesterday about the betting odds having fallen 10 points uh plus against her while her convention was on and and this is why I think Rich they they released the lie about beyon allegedly showing up at the event last night they wanted to boost ratings there'd be that would be absolutely stupid if to say she's coming when you know she's not coming mhm if if it didn't have a real purpose something that helped you right that's just why would you say like we almost got her and we didn't and just disappoint everybody but it does make sense if your goal is to boost the numbers because we were looking at the numbers the other day Trump's convention didn't do as well on um Monday Tuesday Wednesday obviously KLA had good ratings on Monday because it was Joe Biden it was our sitting president and everybody wanted to see how he was and what he would say given the the Scandal right um and then Tuesday and Wednesday they had big stars of their party the OB yeah right the the Obama's Oprah um Bill Clinton but I do wonder how the numbers will be for the sort of Apples to Apples Kamala versus Trump right and uh I think the whole Beyonce's coming she's not coming thing was a it was an it was a ruse to boost the ratings that's interesting because she's going to perform at the end and you have to watch the end that's interesting I had I hadn't thought of that but you it's the kind of contrivance I don't know whether that's true as kind of contrivance she needs to to boost her I mean if you look at Obama and Trump now these are two extraordinary political talents in their own ways and great performers but they created movements right and hardfought primary battles that they slogged out and won they created new modes of of doing politics they they created signature issues and catchphrases you know whether it's The Audacity Of Hope or build the wall that they came up with on their own and there's just none of that with her and even less less talented political fig you know Bob Dole he got the nomination because he was a you know party stal for 30 or 40 years that's that's not her John McCain got the nomination because he was a Maverick and finally won his party over to his side at least temporar she she's not like that Bill Clinton you know governor of small rural state who's dismissed because he had a very bad convention speech in 1988 and then just Rises to the top out of sheer talent and verbal accuity and shamelessness and an ability to do personal po that's not her right it's just none of these things she she's like where she's originally from Oakland like there's no there there so they have to manufacture it and you know there's 75 days or less left that's that's still a lot of time but it's not a whole campaign if she had had a run at a primary I don't believe she should have won would have won and then also all these weaknesses would have been exposed and litigated because it wouldn't be you know you saying it or Donald Trump saying it it would have been Pete budded saying it if you'd run against her right so the media they like Pete right so so they would have reported it they would have at least reported the dispute and none of that has happened she's just uh you know she's like Athena from the head of merging from the head of Zeus you know just this insta nominee with this insta supposedly movement and this insta Joy what did you call her on National riew um Rich was it a thin wafer yeah wafer thin she's a wafer thin candidate she's I mean normally most women aspire to that but not in the way you're using it here um so just a note on the Beyonce nonsense they said that there was a a there's a hole in the schedule it's going to be Beyonce she's going to come and um Katie fang over at MSNBC absolutely humiliated herself with these momentto moment updates on like she's she's been spotted you know we've seen her um let me see oh yeah I don't have the actual ones in front of me because she just deleted them she's now deleted her tweets out of humiliation but they continued to update okay here we have it in our screen grabs it was like she's coming here she's hearing she's coming hearing the special guest is Beyonce and then well after the point that um who was it that broke The Hollywood Reporter had an exclusive she's not coming we reached out to her reps they said she's not coming she's never been coming there was never a schedule for her to come or an agreement for her to come just stop after that Katie Fang tweets out I'm hearing that Beyonce has arrived she's here all I could think was first of all Steve KRA hour our executive producer who's a very measured guy he just forwarded it to us with with the word Katie Katie all I can think is like the girl at the high school prom like he's still coming he he'll be here I see a headlight no she's not coming and they were so you know they needed to believe and they certainly needed to that it hadn't been a ruse and now after the fact they're trying to tell us that this big surprise guest was a videotaped piece videotaped iay from Steph Curry the basketball player saying I'm for Kamala like that that what I it's just we're lied to around every turn they're we're manipulated at every turn in everything they do um let's get to some of the substance or or lack thereof because I do think some of these things are pretty interesting Charles she went out said um okay a couple couple of things let me get to this you can always trust me to put country above party in to hold sacred America's fundamental principles from the rule of law to free and fair elections to the peaceful transfer of power now we're going to talk about free and fair elections and what Jill Stein and RFK J and his running mate whether you like them and want to vote for them or not what they're alleging has been done to them by kamla Harris's Democrat Party it doesn't sound so free and fair but the rule of law I mean you've been tracking this closely over at National Review the Biden Harris Administration to say that we should trust them to uphold it is something that could only be believed by people who have not been watching them these past four years this is the logical fallacy I think that many people have indulged in is the idea that because Donald Trump behaved as he did after he lost the election last time around that it must not be the case that Cala Harris or the Democratic party are a threat to our constitutional order now leaving aside the attempt to knock any candidates who might threaten them off the ballot which is real um it was a problem the hit on Trump for free and fair elections and peaceful transfer of power is a fair one and it would be political malpractice for the Democrats not to make it um you won't find me defending Trump on this quite the opposite um I think his behavior was disgraceful but as I say that doesn't therefore Lead You ipof facto to think the Democrats are good in other ways and they're not and this argument about the rule of law or putting the Constitution first that I've heard out of that convention is absolutely emetic I mean this is a party uh that is flirting with court packing to the point at which it is written a law a flagrantly unconstitutional law that would have the Practical effect of stripping the power from three or two depending on where you draw the line Supreme Court Justices uh who have been appointed by the Senate uh the party is desperate to get rid of the filibuster which is a very useful tool at the federal level uh that makes sure we don't have huge swings in in um federal policy um this is a candidate in particular uh Harris who said of Neil Gorsuch that he was too interested in the law when he was um proposed as a nominee by Donald Trump um you know we do not U as a rule see the sort of constitutional hostility come from Republicans Donald Trump accepted uh that we see out of the Dem Democrats uh you find a portion of our constitutional order and they want to change it the Electoral College uh is another one you get some who want to get rid of the Senate so I just I just find this an annoying mantle for them to have taken up I do accept that one of the reasons they've been able to do it and not be laughed off the stage is because of Trump's behavior and some of the things that he has said over the years but again um they really do worry me on this and uh for for her to pretend that you know she is champion of of the rule of law or or our system is just gross well and I mean Rich we' we've just come through three and a half years of them of her boss and her Administration saying we're not we're not going to listen to the Supreme Court we don't care about the adverse rulings we've received when it comes to some of our covid policies when it comes to um the eviction moratorium when it comes to um what was the one more recently oh the uh student loan forgiveness quote unquote they they've blown off rule after rule law after law yeah and the Biden approach was was basically I think probably this is going to be struck down by this the Supreme Court because there's no Authority for me to do it I'm gonna try you know we'll see which is just profoundly against the spirit of how the system is supposed to work because it's not just the Supreme Court that takes an oath and supposed to defend the Constitution it's everyone else as well and you look at the border three and a half years you know the black and white law says you come into the country illegally you shall be detained right until until you're your case is adjudicated or you should be expelled and they've flagrantly uh def defied that thumb their their noses at it and the the plan to Bel up the Supreme Court obviously a direct threat to a central institution of American government and Chuck Schumer this hasn't gotten much attention because so much else has been going on but the other day basically said that if they get a trifecta in Washington I think less likely um than not but but certainly possible they will attempt to blow up the filibuster for purpose of of a so-called voting rights law and a pro-abortion law and if they actually did that and it's it's basically Democratic Orthodoxy now I don't think there be anyone like Mansion or Cinema standing in the way so if they just get 50 51 votes they they can do it you're not just blowing it up for those things because once you've blown it up for those things then the case is well why don't we blow it up for Medicare for all too do we not care about you know providing free healthare for everyone so it'll be gone and you potentially could see you know the court packing scheme um passed uh through that means or who knows trying to bring in Puerto Rico or Washington DC EST States so it's a the serious threat to our our our system of of government and um she she stands there and she's reading the words but they are meaningless yeah I mean this is like I think it was um Michael Goodwin at the New York Post today who was writing Charles that she's she's all into the freedom right they're trying to co-op the word Freedom which is normally a republican theme at these conventions and not once does she mention any of the rights listed in the Bill of Rights like freedom of speech freedom of assembly the Second Amendment you know they're talking about freedom to have an abortion Freedom they say to go to school without having to worry whether you're going to come home I mean this is this is a much more complicated problem right like there is a second amendment so in anyway they've co-opted that word without actually abiding by promoting the fundamental principles that really embody that word that that make up that word in our founding documents and in the at the heart of our country yeah you can thank her fellow Californian Gavin Nome for this because he's the guy who came up with this idea when he was feuding with Ronda santis you remember those gy videos about California that he put out and said Florida wasn't the free state California was now a lot of this as you say is abortion um they're fixated on it politically that does help them I'm very upset that it does as a prolifer but I I'm also obliged to look at the world as it is rather than how I'd like it to be and they are winning on that and Americans do seem to think overall that the question of abortion is a question of Freedom um I don't I I think it's a question of life um but with that one exception where they've made Headway all of their definitions of Freedom are perverse there it's linguistic games you know Josh Shapiro says the free freedom to join a union um not not really uh Gavin Nome says the freedom not to be shot now these are public policy questions don't get me wrong I'm not trying to set them off the table we should have debates over unions and what government involvement we have um we should have within reason given the Second Amendment debates about regulations on firearms and so forth um but it actually doesn't help when you get into this orwellian mode of pretending that the limitation on freedom is freedom the case for more gun control is the case against Freedom the case for unions or regulation of the economy or higher taxes is a case against Freedom sometimes the case against Freedom prevails we do not have a system of Anarchy uh we have General agreement that there are some things in our public life that ought to be limited or regulated or superintended in some way but you can't really have the argument if the words used to have those discussions are bastardized in this way and that's what the Democrats have done throughout this convention instead of just standing up and saying what they think which most of the time although not always is we actually think there is too much freedom in this or that realm um they're trying to pretend uh that they are the side that values Freedom when when they don't um so it's it's irritating and it's also dangerous linguistically and finally I actually think for them it's a mistake um I said earlier that there are downsides to running without any substance I think this is one of them I don't think it helps you in the long run if you make the case in the abstract for freedom freedom freedom freedom because next time you propose something that is clearly anti-freedom some of the people who went along with you who were fooled by it who were lulled into a false sense of security by it will say well hold on a moment I thought you were the Freedom person um so you know it might help her in the very short term but in the long run it's not a great play yeah there was there was so much of that it was like well where where where's any mention of the freedoms that we all grew up learning about and understand and hold dear and that have helped us survive some 250 years there there was nothing to that she talked about in this election many fundamental freedoms are at stake the freedom to live safe from gun violence in our schools communities and places of worship the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride it's I mean Hello like she's speaking to the 1980s 7s Democrat and Republican parties like who on either side of the aisle right now is trying to stop anybody from loving who they love with pride it's been a long time since the Republican party has been all about trying to stop gay marriage for example which has been recognized by the US Supreme Court as a constitutional right the freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water and live free from the pollution that fuels the climate crisis okay that all of that is that's her EPA that's trying to write laws without having been elected by anybody and now the Supreme Court is finally saying if you want laws on all those things if you want laws on on the environment on air on clean water you can do that you just have to go to article one of the Constitution and ask the Congress to draft it up then if you get a president to sign it you're in business the whole thing was just so disingenuous and showed I mean she knows how the Constitution Works she just hopes you don't rich and Charlie stay with me for the show we'll be right back after this quick break I'm a proud American and I bet you are too I believe in not relying on others when it comes to my family and I bet you feel that way too uh if you are like me I want to tell you about my Patriot Supply okay their Mega 3month emergency food kit comes jam-packed with 33 varieties of filling and delicious foods you know when I wish I had this Hurricane Sandy here at the beach we really could have use this not only does it include creamy chicken flavored rice old-fashioned Italian spaghetti Savory cheesy broccoli soup yum but you'll also get a bonus protein kit with diced beef flavorful chicken chunks and three varieties of beans plus 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snarky line out there about JD Vance well I hope she enjoyed the rockus laughter and Applause because things turned for her in the course of about 14 hours she thought she'd be getting a pass by going on CNBC this morning because she loves to talk about economic policy and she didn't expect to run into the buz saww that is Joe kernin who is not some far-left guy who gives gives everybody a pass I know him a little and this guy's funny and he's a straight shooter and uh he gave somebody else from the Harris team yesterday a very hard time about the Harris's claim that these um agricultural companies and uh shopping companies or uh food product companies are gouging people and she's going to be our savior and she's going to step in and she's going to stop them with our huge profit margins from taking advantage of tough times so he had a great interview with somebody yest yester and it happened to Elizabeth Warren again today and let me just tell you before I get to it Harris doubled down on this she didn't explicitly say the price gouging thing yesterday or on Friday when sorry last night when she gave her speech she had said the policy the previous Friday a week ago today this is how she phrased it last night she just said uh I will bring together labor and workers and small business owners and entrepreneurs in American companies to create jobs okay just so okay you're gonna how but no that's not in there to grow our economy and to lower the cost of everyday needs like Health Care housing and groceries now if you read between the lines there that's she's getting Marxist like her dad like it's not up to the federal government to lower the price of groceries but she thinks it's her purview and this is what she's been saying more explicitly over the past week that she's got to stop the price gouging at the at the supermarket here's Elizabeth Warren trying to repeat that nonsense on CNBC this morning the grocery chains have a 2% profit margin how about Apple with 50% or 40% how do you decide this is not the government's place to do these things it's a Fool's errand but one of the causes of prices going up is that there are companies that have market dominance that have said oh this is a moment when everyone talk give me another name name another one give me an instance states have tools to deal with this locally but right now we want to make sure that the FTC has the tools to do it nationally it's just another tool in the toolbox to say we support for State of Emergency the whole when did companies learn how to do this let you finish your argument I know but now did you invite me on here just a lecture to me no I just want to ask you point is to get markets that are more competitive it's not about it's not about diverting the attention away from the real issues that might actually help the middle class that you always talk about helping for 40 years companies didn't know how to price gouge until three and a half years ago the American people know what's happening in pricing they understand that they are being and who they blame for that are these giant corporations they blame the B Domin enti no you blame the Biden Administration you cannot bear the notion that sometimes these competitive markets are in fact not competitive wow Charles it's so wonderful to see someone in the media do his job isn't it you know the reason that that is especially satisfying is that Elizabeth Warren actually knows that what she's saying is nonsense this is not some Rando on the street who's been misinformed didn't have any opportunities Elizabeth waren knows that that is nonsense and she knows that what she is doing is pedling it in service of the Harris campaign because the Harris campaign has a political not an economic a political problem to solve that being that Harris has to do two things that are incompatible the first thing she has to do is the clintones I feel your on the price of groceries and everything else she has to acknowledge as a presidential candidate that the cost of basic necessities has gone up a great deal in the last three and a half years the second thing that Cala Harris has to do is shift the blame away from herself because while an a genuine Outsider would be able to say everything's got more expensive I will fix it it doesn't make a great deal of sense for Harris to do that when she's the vice president of the United States and she's actually on camera being the tying vote breaking the tying vote uh on many of the bills that flooded the economy with money and helped not completely on their own but helped to cause the inflation that we've seen and so Harris has this big problem how do you say I understand that it's a big problem that groceries are so expensive without that blame uh coming back to her and so what she's hit on is this Preposterous notion that grocery chains that make about 1.2% profit every year have and this seems to have started on January 21st 2021 magically uh been profiteering price gouging or what you will it's never quite explained by the way why they don't do this during Republican administrations Republicans are allegedly the friends of big business um and all they care about is helping the CEO buddies make millions of dollars but while Trump was President while George W Bush was president while Ronald Reagan was President they declined to do this so they did it during the Biden Administration this is her argument it's just it's insane nonsense and I know there's been a great deal of discussion as to how the price gouging Bill uh that Cala Harris was talking about would actually not work and may may indeed increase the cost of things that matters it matters that Harris's um FTC uh would be the same as Biden's FTC and would probably go down this route of its own valtion I'm not downplaying the policy disaster that would be this price gouging idea but this is a political problem that Harris is trying to solve and so of course Elizabeth Warren who inexplicably is considered in the media as some sort of expert on economics who can be trusted to talk about the economy dutifully this morning went on television to Pedal this lie and as she say ran into a buz saww and it's just delicious to see for that reason oh so delicious I want I mean as the kids say shoot it into my veins like I want more more more Joker so this is this is perfect though like that plan she unveiled last Friday she got pummeled by the left and the right she reduced it down to this passing Reference last night how she's going to you know take care of the lower the course the cost of groceries for us um is perfect Rich because what she was speaking of was creating an opportunity economy an opportunity economy and of course you're like what's that what does that mean like what is KLA Harris's version of that you don't really have to look that hard to find out because she did not just parachute onto the political scene she's been vice president for four years she ran for president the year before that and she's made very clear what she thinks about when she thinks about the necessary opportunities out there Fox News digital put together a good budded sound bite um I'll show it to you but I'm going to start with do you guys remember life of Julia under Barack Obama oh yeah right was like the woman who's going to be living off the government te from the from birth to death and that's how Obama visioned your average American woman Julia she fully endorsed it so did Biden they created their own version her name was Linda life of Linda and they put out a little cartoon early on in their Administration telling us about how Linda's life would go Linda worked in a factory here's page one of it she's a working mom in Poria Illinois she works at a local manufacturing facility as a production worker and earns 40 Grand a year she's pregnant with her son Leo Leo may or may not make it depending on our abortion policies no sorry I added that um sorry I'm gonna get back to the abortion thing because they they're so vapid in the way that they approach they couldn't care less about the life inside a mother okay you got to laugh or cry back to Kamala she's she narrated this little cartoon and then she's been all over the record on what she means by opportunity take a listen so there's a big difference between equality and Equity equality suggests oh everyone should get the same amount the problem with that not everybody's starting out from the same place so if we're all getting the same amount but you started out back there and I started out over here we could get the same amount but you still going to be that far back behind me it's about giving people the resources and the support they need so that everyone can be on equal footing and then compete on equal footing Equitable treatment means we all end up at the same place got it rich we Americans have a right no I do get it to end up at the same place yeah I mean first of all makes you your ears her I mean it's so vacuous and then what she's getting at is so unamerican in um uh unfair right Bernie even Bernie Sanders and a vow socialist I think it was on the bill Mar show a couple years ago who asked about does he favor equality or equity and he said equality right equality of opportunity we can't guarantee equal results but she's saying equal results there and it's just a instance she she had this pull side the other day in front of her playing her next to her plane and she's asked how she's going to pay for this this program I'm sure you saw this probably talked about it and she said return on investment five or six times right that's what you do when you're a student who's been caught out who hasn't really studied right you're you're asked by your teacher Professor you know what's Moby Dick about you you've skimmed the the cliff notes or Spark Notes whatever man versus nature right and they said well what happens during the book well it's man versus nature that happen how's it end well it ends with a metaphor about man versus that's all you know and and and this is that's her level of of understanding of Economics there's no return on investment on the vast majority of the stuff occasionally you get return on investment on things like the Eerie Canal or winning World War II but these social welfare programs no and you know Charlie's right about the difference with Elizabeth Warren she does know better but one of the additional delicious things about that interview is how Huffy she got because it just goes to how these these um um puas and and senators you can go through life saying things that are idiotic and untrue and cynical and get away with it and be treated as as if you're brilliant and then the minute you get in in some uncomfortable environment where you're challenged you you're you're you know you're outraged by it you know your umage comes to the for how dare how dare you challenge This brilliant idea of mine which is completely absurd there are lots of things they can say on inflation right you can say a supply chain overwhelmingly it happened in other countries and it's gone down you can even exaggerate all those things right but at least those things that they're Colonels to truth to it instead they've come up with this ridiculous PR price gouging argument can I just add something on economy thanks for reintroducing that yes wait can before I give it to you can I just show you a little bit more because I I saved the budded sound bite for you Charles knowing your love for her and this principle this one actually was put together by end wokeness on X watch he's talking about Equitable meaning at the result will be everyone ends up being equal equity which is everyone should end up in the same place it has to be about a goal of saying everybody should end up in the same place and if we want people to be in an equal Place sometimes we have to take into account those disparities President Biden and I have put Equity at the center of all that we do oh go ahead my friend I was good on that I know people glaze over when you say this because there're so used to hyperbole but that is actual communism so but but I was going to say on the opportunity economy so the great irony here and I wish that Trump were focused and disciplined enough to make this point the great irony is that the United States had an opportunity economy in 2019 now that wasn't because Donald Trump the head of the federal government was The Wizard of Oz and everything he did was perfect and the president is in charge of the economy or any of those superstitions that we believe but through a tax cut and deregulation um we had managed to create Foster uh the genius that is the American free market system uh and we had an economy in which people were thriving uh and you know when you want to talk about equity in which for the first time in a long time um the black and white unemployment rates looked similar um and the Harris campaign slogan is we can't go back and I I think that this is something that the Republicans ought to say over and over again again don't pretend that they planned this great economy that was perfect and the second they get back in it'll go back to it none of that but that what killed the best American economy since 1969 in 2019 was Co at the convention Bill Clinton gave this statistic where he said you Republican presidents have accounted for 1 million jobs created since 1988 interesting cut off year and democratic presidents have accounted for 50 million and this is technically true but of course what it misses is that Republicans have run Congress for most of that time so if we're really going to start saying you're responsible for this or that you have to include the legislature but also the fact that bad things happen at random times I mean the crash came in 2008 Co came in 2019 life is just so much more complicated uh than politics would allow but one thing that is indisputably true is that until Co came in and destroyed everything for a while uh the economy in 2019 was was humming along leaving people alone works uh that was an opportunity economy and if if I were in charge of the Republican messaging which I'm not never will be I would say over and over and over again why is your slogan we can't go back which part is it that you don't want to go back to why do you have all these bizarre ideas about what it is that takes it takes to build a good economy why do you need Equity why do you need price gouging Zars why do you need the FTC to intervene what you need to do is keep taxes low keep regulation low allow American individuals to do what they do best hopefully not have a pandemic um and not spend so much money on your friends that we end up with the worst inflation we've had in 40 Years cuz she's totally vulnerable on this she just hasn't got a clue MH well said um I do want to follow up on the abortion reference because they're so callous we've been talking about I know you guys have as well the fact that there's an abortion truck outside of the DNC this is what they decided to do to celebrate their Joy is to kill a bunch of unborn babies but nothing says joy like a bunch of dead human beings I'm sorry but it's so callous you can go with the safe legal and rare lot of normal loving patriotic Americans are pro-choice and that's how they see this it's downright ghoulish to have an abortion truck outside of your convention and Bill it as joyful there are women parading down the street in abortion pill costumes there I don't know if you guys saw the tape it's unbelievable and then the final cherry on top of that Sunday last night as she's speaking and of course they just call it Reproductive Rights you know Reproductive Rights if you want if you want Reproductive Rights you can get them you can get them in every single state some states are a lot tougher now post dobs but go live in California it's a sanctuary state for abortions whenever you want them New York my my own home state anyway List look at who the DNC decided to show as she was speaking about quote reproductive Freedom meaning abortion look at this and when Congress passes a bill to restore reproductive Freedom as president of the United States I will proudly sign it into law it's a newborn baby yeah it's two on the nose isn't it it's unbelievable if only we could have gotten rid of that one and little Leo in the belly of Linda like this is this is next level Rich yeah have we ever known anyone who regrets having one of their children ever even if it was the child was born at the quotequote wrong time or in terrible circumstances no and ghoulish is exactly the right word for that van it's like something out of you know huxley's Brave New World this is a a terrible thing that that that is happening so women some women regret it the rest of their lives and and there's another entity you know at at stake who has an interest in and rights so I mean is cliche to say it we've said it so many times but we're so far from safe legal and and rare which had a sense this is this regrettable that this that that is better all things considered to to have a legalized abortion regime but abortion itself is not something to be proud of or to promote and they've totally gone over to the other side where it's something to be proud of right it's it's this is something you know used to be a mystery address in in some Far part of town and and they're they're bragging about having a van committing these these acts so they they feel permission to do this because obviously the politics of abortion have swung against Republicans since dos but they they think there's absolutely no limit on how far they can go and that may be true in in this moment I don't think it's true ultimately and obviously in moral terms it's a travesty it's crazy when you think that they actually are pushing to have abortion stay legal all the way through the ninth month and then they show a baby who's obviously just a couple months old like what do you think babe how do we think like you almost would maybe you'll make it maybe not you were on the cusp you know under our policies the one that she's promising to make right now your little brother your little sister might not make it are you Pro or against this absolutely insensitive to the millions of Americans for whom This truly is a life or death issue they take it very seriously it's just a middle finger and it went out on the dnc's feed on their YouTube channel they they're leaning in it actually kind of reminded me of um when Oprah was speaking the other night you know and she whoever's running this DNC feed is just a Savage person um she was talking about yeah the child's cat lady and and they showed this like overweight not that attractive forgive me lady I don't I can't remember exactly who she was but I remember was like all right she might have had some struggles um and they're like oh okay we have the sound bite and you'll see the woman at the end of it watch I've seen racis yeah watch it and sexism and income inequality and division I've not only seen it at times I've been on receiving end of it but more often than not what I've witnessed and experienced are human beings both conservative and liberal who may not agree with each other but who' still help you in a heartbeat if you were in trouble these are the people who make me proud to say that I am an American we don't wonder who their partner is or how they voted no we just try to do the best we can to save them and if the place place happens to belong to a childless cat lady well we try to get that cat out too all right we're going to show the correct sound bite in a minute but that was another one but with on their original feed they showed this poor lady like huh to a childless cat lady like it's just absolutely no sensitivity for childless cat ladies which I'm told is a bad thing to be insensitive insensi to them but I queued that sound bite up too you guys because we had a week of women getting up there and trying to get us to feel sorry for them or to be oblivious to their actual circumstances from Michelle Obama who brought up the her mom who really is suspicious of people who make more money than they need to Oprah literally one of the richest people forget women one of the richest people on Earth who decided to take her 5 minutes of fame and talk about in part the misogyny and racism she's faced from the country that made her a 2.6 billionaire uh to kamla Harris last night who decided to bring up her mom who was a PhD from Berkeley her dad who is a PhD at Stanford talking about them and like the working class upbringing she I me would you stop because you lived in a duplex when your parents had a divorce does not make you work in class your parents were double phds you had all the advantages in the world Rich I just can't it's like so over the top when even Oprah can complain about this country and the terrible isms she's faced yeah where's where's the Gratitude and and they're all condescending towards or hostile to JD Vance who actually grew up in those kind of circumstances goes to Ohio University you know en lists in the Marines and then eventually makes it to Yale law school and that's a bad thing right so uh it's it's it's perverse and if we're gonna have Equity you know either we're all going to have to get a lot richer or Michelle Obama is gonna have to to lose a lot of houses and money yeah you know it's a good point do we get under KLA Harris's plan Charles maybe we get we get what Oprah has aren't we all supposed to wind up in the same place great let's do that yeah one of the overarching takeaways I had from the whole convention is that the Democrats in that Hall haven't actually met many Democrats or they have they haven't quite adjusted yet to what the party is now clearly the parties have shifted somewhat their coalitions are changing and some of the rhetoric really did feel as if it was left over from another age an age in which Hubert hrey was going out to speak to Minnesota farm labor types uh and genuinely meaning it when he talked about the difference between Country Club Republicans uh and uh poor Catholic Democrats RS and so you end up with that weird spectacle of Oprah Winfrey talking about income inequality and Michelle Obama talking about people who have too much and the weirdest of all that's rich mentioned is this Tim Walls line that he repeats everywhere he's clearly proud of it it wasn't an off thear slip where he criticizes JD Vance for going to Yale and it was so odd for three reasons I could identify it so the first one is that before he said it about two hours before bill Clinton had spoken Bill Clinton's story is that he was a guy from difficult background in gr poor and somehow managed to make it in Clinton's case to Georgetown Oxford and Yale um so that was one of the big selling points for Bill Clinton in the 90s so it's bad now when JD Vance does it I don't I don't understand the argument the next thing that W said was you know he had 24 students at his class and none of them went to Yale if I were a teacher that's not quite how I was s sell my record the last one right and then the last one is that the Democrats have made a big thing in this convention and elsewhere of how the Republicans are supposed to be anti-education um and yet they're critical of people who made it to one of our Elite institutions it was just a very strange um thing to say and and and a thing that you you would have expected from a different Democratic party and I think they just haven't quite caught up yet with who their voters and who their base is now H that's interesting yeah there uh Ian Hayworth on X the other day had a great post on on exactly like the number of speakers there who had been to Yale and Harvard I mean it was actually hold on a second I've got it here but it was it was pretty remarkable like the number of people who were up there and who went to Yale who went to Harvard who went to Georgetown here's just a quick list per Ian um Jamie Harrison Yale these are the people who spoke Gina Rondo Harvard Oxford Yale Hillary Clinton Welsley y Jamie Raskin Harvard Chris Coons Yale Chuck Schumer Harvard Michelle Obama Princeton and Harvard Law Barack Obama Columbia and Harvard Law Jared polus Princeton Chris Murphy Oxford Andy Kim Oxford Bill Clinton Oxford Yale Westmore Oxford Pete budajudge Harvard and Oxford Amy kashar Yale Cory Booker Stanford Oxford Yale Mora Healey Harvard we can keep going so is it only bad to go to the ivys if your name is JD Vance and you started off genuinely poor it's unclear Rich yeah and there's a lot of hypocrisy in this too right if he had just gone to Ohio State University they might have been condescending about that but those schools I mean they're the breeding grounds of the the American Elite and the Democratic establishment is the heart of the the Democratic Elite in in many ways and not everyone who goes there is intellectually or politically corrupted but but there is tends to be a a dominant monochromatic point of view that all these people represent all right we've got a lot to get to over on team Trump side because he was not quiet while this was going on he spent a lot of time at the border and and I think probably two huge significant things happened in terms of trump getting endorsements or Building Bridges mending fences you know pick your um your your favorite but I think one of the big ones was last night and Brian Kemp Brian Kemp was very very popular governor of Georgia hasn't been going well between those two because Kemp wouldn't do what Trump wanted him to with the nonsense around the election Trump decided he was a devil and attacked him only recently again like let bygones be bygones for the love of God for the sake of the country he needs to win Georgia and Georgia loves camp and Trump took a shot at Kemp and his wife blah blah blah Kemp goes on Fox News I was watching this it was pretty remarkable and uh starts saying nice things is about Trump listen here it's uh s 24 look we got a win you know we got a win from the top of the ticket on down uh I've been saying cons ly for a long time we cannot afford another four years of Joe Biden and KLA Harris and I think you know KLA Harris and Tim W would be even worse uh so we need to send Donald Trump back to the White House we need to retake the Senate we need to hold the house we need to hold our legislative majorities that we have in the great state of Georgia so Trump actually appeared with um Brett Martha shortly thereafter and said in Return some nice things about camp and then I think later put out a um no he said us and then and then he put out a truth social that reads as follows thank you to Brian Kemp for all of your help and support in Georgia where a win is so important to the success of our party and most importantly our country I look forward to working with you your team and all of my friends in Georgia to help make America great again I mean this is classic Donald Trump is it not rich classic all he needs is for you to extend a little Olive Branch him and you're good yeah very transactional also everyone around Trump was telling that this was idiotic and he should he should bury this so he did the right thing he never should have revived it and Brian Kemp by the way is one of the most impressive uh Republican office holders going you know I I'm from uh I'm not from the south so when I first met him around a conference table for about 10 minutes I was like what's this this draw you know this guy's not very impressive and within about 10 minutes like whoa this guy's really on the ball he's the one Republican who crossed Trump on something that Kemp felt was very important you know his his duty as governor and had Kemp Target him I'm sorry Trump Target him go after him H hammer in tongs and Survive and Thrive and that's an extraordinary uh political achievement and then you know he's he's he's a party guy he thinks Trump will be better than Harris obviously so he was just willing to to to move on and and try to win Georgia and then Trump at this rally there's some theories that that there's a anti- Kemp Republican who spent time with Trump prior to that rally and kind of Spun him up but to spend 10 minutes attacking Brian Kemp and his wife obviously destructive made no sense and it's good that this breach has been healed at least for now Charles it's a i it's I'm overusing the word but it's kind of a heroic moment for Brian Kemp because I'm sure he's not a huge Trump fan he just attacked Trump just attacked Brian Kemp's wife like two weeks ago but he I think is accurately deduced that Trump must have Georgia he must win Georgia and so in an extraordinary act of selflessness he was the first to come out and say something nice and he knew exactly the effect that would have on Trump who does start these fights but is also quick to finish them under circumstances like these well I don't think it's extraordinary in the sense that I think what you're seeing there is the difference between a disciplined politician who wants to win and Donald Trump you know Donald Trump has a lot of talent but he's mural and capricious and despite all of the escatologico rhetoric around this election he doesn't seem to believe that the election of Harris would end the country because if he did he would be more focused he'd be more in other words like Brian Kemp and not just Brian Kemp but the vast majority of Republican office holders at the state level who stay on track uh I live in Florida DeSantis stays on track and he wins and he gets things done this is true of Brian Kemp just up the road in Georgia it's true uh in Iowa it's true in Ohio it's true in Texas it's true in Alabama you know the idea uh that Trump is some sort of exceptional politici without whom the Republicans would be lost is false uh at least at the state level uh Governors within the Republican Party have done an enormous amount and got an enormous amount of wins over the last 2 or three years on school choice on constitutional carry on tax cutting on abortion because excuse me because they don't get drawn in to stupid feuds um so I I don't think it's extraordinary from Brian Kemp I think it's absolutely ordinary I think what is extraordinary is that there was a a breach to Hill in the first place that that Trump allowed himself to be spun up by this anti-m politician when anyone else in the firmament um I'm forgetting Glenn yunin up in Virginia whose approval rating is about 60% anyone else in the firmament would have looked at that person before the rally and said are you insane I'm about to speak in this state that I need to win where the governor you want me to talk about uh has a 65% approval rating and a whole bunch of wins under his about one on Earth would I start a fight with him yeah I my own theory on it is that Trump it's not that Trump is undisciplined exactly I I take your point but I I think it's that he just believes in his own gut instinct Above All Else and if his gut instinct is telling him to lash out at Brian Kemp he hates Brian Kemp he thinks that's the right thing to do because his gut instinct got him a billion dollars and got him elected president and everybody all along on the way has said no no no no no you're wrong he's been right more than he's been wrong and so that's how he operates through life we've talked about this before but he was raised going to the church of Norman Vincent Peele who wrote the the power of positive thinking and uh it's it's a fascinating read if you haven't read in a while I can go back and read it but it is very much it's actually a lot more biblical and um religious than I think Trump actually is but the messaging is very positive I think that's just how Trump thinks I I know best I'm gonna do the right thing I trust my God that's that's clearly part of it but also the idea that that he really won the 2020 election it was stolen from him is pretty core to his political identity right if if he didn't believe that he didn't convince a lot of Republicans of that he wouldn't been he wouldn't have been the nominee so for him Kemp and and his wife having crossed them on that is is a pretty major transgression transgression that's hard to forget now I don't think that speaks well of trump I'm totally on Kemp side in this dispute but I think that's also behind it and and the reason why Kemp's wife is particularly not enamored of trump this pressure campaign if you hear about it in in detail from them it was extraordinary they it was very personal they took it very personally after the 2020 election for for good reason so so there's a lot of ill feeling there it's better for everyone that it's it's papered over but there there's a reason we had this eruption that is back to my high point Charles which does make him extraordinary Governor Kemp able to put that to the side and do what's best for the country so Bravo it's a good moment for the Republican party and they needed one and they're going to get a second one in about a half an hour we believe in Arizona stand by quick break more with Rich and Charlie and we'll pick up the topic of RFK J hungry root is one very easy way to eat healthy they will send you fresh highquality groceries simple delicious recipes and essential supplements it's like having someone else do all the planning and shopping so you don't even have to think about it hungry root gets to know your personal health goals dietary restrictions favorite foods how much time you want to spend cooking and more then they build you a personalized cart for the week including easy four ingredient recipes to put those groceries to use each order is fully customizable they've got fresh produce high quality meat healthy snacks and more and everything from Hungry root follows a simple 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and consider telling Congress to guard your card while you're there too Clear Choice this pack this DNC aligned pack that was created speciically to take us out has spent millions of dollars to take us out we wanted to win we wanted a fair shot uh the Dancy made that impossible for us they have um bandas Shadow bandas kept us off stages manipulated polls used lawfare against us sued Us in every possible State they've even planted insiders into our campaign to um disrupt it and to create actual legal issues for us is exclusively because of the democratic party taking us out and I am so disappointed I ever helped them I am so disappointed that I helped Chuck Schumer in that Georgia runoff um SEC secure a majority it's probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life Welcome Back to the Megan Kelly show Rich Lowry and Charles CW cook of National Review are with me become an NR plus subscriber right now go check it out as I said RF KJ's running mate Nicole Shanahan talking about the dirty trick she says the DNC was using to keep them from pursuing democracy which is supposed to be a value on team blue Jill Stein also running um sent out a tweet in response to I believe this was Michelle Obama's speech where she was talking about oh what happens if you lose an election you you just get to fail forward and Jill Stein tweeted out stop the gaslighting right now the Democrats are trying to sue us off of multiple State ballots hiring spies and infiltrators to sabotage us and even withholding public funds that we qualified for months ago Democrats absolutely cheat and change the rules to maintain their grip on power Nicole Shanahan responded saying I'm sorry it's happening to you too Jill amazing how convincing Michelle Obama is when she lies so these are two important people in this sliver of vote from people who are not necessarily ready to vote for Harris or Trump and the reporting is that in about 15 minutes RFK J Rich is going to drop out of the race officially and endorse Trump though it's not 100% confirmed and then Trump two hours later has an event where there is a surprise guest many speculating the two men both in Arizona it will be RFK J with an endorsement what do you make of it yeah so look all those those efforts to keep them off the ballot if these were favored candidates if these were candidates the media liked it would be characterized as authoritarian illiberal and anti-democratic right instead we haven't heard a word of it in basically in the mainstream media you know maybe page A10 if you're still reading a print newspaper you know three column inches or something but it hasn't been a focus at all at the same time obviously a major theme of their campaign against Trump has been their the pro-democracy people so these these two things don't get together don't go together it's another instance of hypocrisy and they're caring more about power over everything else now RFK was fading you know one it hasn't been a great campaign the most memorable things about it were the alleged brainworm and then then the the dead bearcub which is such an RFK thing because it's a very outdoorsy thing to even think of picking up a dead bear CB and then to drop it off in Central Park because you have to make it to a dinner at Peter Luger Luger is is the other part of the Kennedy lifestyle but he had also been fading because the so-called double haters the pool there still are double haters but the pool's smaller so he he was in the teens in some polls early on now five or six uh points and if you're Trump you know you won as in you want his endorsement if if someone's going to win Pennsylvania by 10,000 votes which is plausible and that could turn the election which is plausible even if you get an additional 2,000 votes in Pennsylvania or someplace else another key swing state from this is obviously worth it I love that video where RFK J reveals that bear story to Roseanne and I love Roseanne's reactions he was trying to get ahead of it was about to break and he just decided to tell it to Rosanne and she's like what wait what what' you do to the bear cuff huh she knows she's she stumbled on gold um Charles I know you are not an RFK J fan you're not a trump fan either but this is this is significant as far as electoral politics goes we went through the numbers yesterday in the various swing states he does have support and they tend to be more right leaning and if he comes out there and says I you know I'm telling you please vote for Donald Trump and Donald Trump's agreed to work with me who obviously you like these slivers of people in the swing States it it could potentially swing this election yeah I think the you like part of that is the key that's been my operating assumption too that even if the RFK Junior support splits evenly which or close to evenly which some of the polls suggest that it does that if you're not a fan of either of the two major candidates then that's for a reason and that if you've told people you're voting for RFK junr then that's for a reason and that if the person you prefer over the other two then comes out and says well I'm dropping out but uh I think that the best choice remaining is X then you might transfer at least disproportionately your vote to X so if if I were Donald Trump uh then I would absolutely want RFK Junior's support So Trump as I mentioned has been down along the border and just heartbreaking stories this is very smart and very disciplined by team Trump Trump's down there personally meeting with moms who have lost children to illegal immigrant violence people who came under the Harris Biden Administration and committed just these disgusting murders a mother of five it's been horrible horrible to watch and it's been effective um but he's also doing some other stuff that's kind of interesting now you guys know you know me and sports rich and yes I did listen to you and Andy yesterday and I do now know how to catch a foul ball if I go to Yankee Stadium you got to go for the batting Pro we got to go for the batting practice that's we got Andy and I should take you to a Mets or Yankees game at some point I would need the translation um so but he's been he did the thing with the very popular golfer um and then he sat down with his very popular young podcaster named Theo vau and they had this exchange about cocaine which has got almost 10 million views almost 10 million views on YouTube I'm going to show you part of it how did you get addicted how how did no I would just do cocaine that was really yeah so not just yeah that's it down and that's down and dirty right yeah and this is yeah this I mean it was yeah I but you don't anymore no I don't do it anymore man and I'm not doing it is it too much too much to handle some of the stuff started to get a real rattle in it too I don't know where it we were even getting it from in this country but yeah it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something so the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part right yeah but well what I want probably is cocaine but I know that if I have a drink then it'll give me it'll like be like okay well I had a drink then I can do this is cocaine a stronger uh oh yeah up yeah yeah yeah cocaine so you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of cocaine will turn you into a damn owl homie you know what I'm saying it'll you'll be you'll be out on your own porch you know you'll you'll be your own Street [Laughter] Lamp again this interview it's got 10 million views and this is who they need they need young guys who were motivated you know how this whole thing's gotten into like the matriarchy and the patriarchy him versus her mamaa whatever yeah you tell me Rich this seems like a very smart thing to do well you know I had a similar conversation with him when I had lunch with him in Bedminster about a year ago was during the Bud Light thing and I was talking about Bud Light and how it's terrible it doesn't really taste like anything he's like wait you can taste beers beers taste different I was like what a weird question then it occur to me he doesn't drink so he has no idea drink so yeah but um yeah he needs he needs to do these kind of things things to get above and beyond the traditional media that obviously either doesn't want to cover him he not going to give him a fair shake and then the Border event I do wonder if the rallies themselves kind of outlive their usefulness because the media is now are so obsessed with playing up the riffs and they're always riffs right he he wants to entertain himself he wants to entertain the crowd so so you know that that's what happened in Georgia we're just talking about Brian K it's not like he talked about Brian K for 90 minutes but you talk about him for five minutes if you've been on message the rest of the time all that gets ignored and all we hear is is that you attack the sitting Republican Governor so doing these thematic events issue based events I think you should do more of them you know sit down with um families of victims of of around a round table victims of fenol or or sit down with hardhack guys who work work uh you know in fracking in natural gas industry in Western Pennsylvania and will he stray yeah of course he will but he's also really good in those those kind of personalized settings and it and it guarantees you're at least getting coverage that you have an event about this so in the local press that's what's critical in the local press yeah but but again as we were talking about earlier he's got a much harder challenge with KL Harris now and is really you know in 16 and 20 he both kind of he he wandered a lot and then he kind of closed uh well well enough to win in 16 not quite in 20 but he he the closing needs to start pretty soon and it is going to have to be good all those things that suggest more discipline you know making up with Brian Kamp that's good accepting the RFK J deal if that's what's going to happen that's good going down to the border to create local news opportunities because really what matters is not the that the national media picks it up but that the local picks it up and that the local people in Arizona see what you did and see the problem and are reminded of how it could creep into their lives that's good so all those things are good we're done with the Democratic National Convention thank God I I didn't I I mean it was just painful I just had four nights of pain but I do it because I love you guys love all of you love you rich and Charles too thank you for being here thanks for next week yeah I want to tell you before we go go to Megan kelly.com And subscribe to our once a week little email it's from me and I've got a good one for you today check it out