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I'm expecting uh Tottenham to atone for their sins of L season that's what I'm expecting keski or Martinelli who's the better player it's not discussion why is Martin ell even here I thought he was going to be Brazil's next Superstar it's changed what happened to the that you were comparing him to versus Ben White Ben White every single day of the week I can't that you're going white I'm going respect bro not me he had a better season than R he did he had a better who made the P my man conceded three in the final and you're coming to bring against MPP man yo are you really Messi tax was Heavy in the Argentina let's be real that's 910 Messi what you going to do about this season we're going for the title no no not saying you're going Europe are you going to win it hope so yeah it's north London Derby week people which means one thing it's time to argue about things and we're going to put forward to the amazing panel here several debates talking topics ones that a lot of you are having online and we're going to have it out of course there'll be a part two to this video as well so look out for that on AF but let's welcome our amazing panel we have fuad we have to CL for them no come on W welcome into your L we linked up outside already com into the L the players when we go to the game on Sunday what's that you're going to clap the Aral players when we go on Sunday that's your job that's yeah exactly your job clap us now clap them later and as you see Turkish and bavs as well welcome back everyone how are we all feeling how everyone nervous or no no no no no expecting expect expectant is that word expectant I don't know I don't know expectant is what you mean yeah yeah okay I know what you mean though I'm expecting I'm expecting uh Tottenham to atone for their sins of Lost season that's what I'm expecting Redemption expecting own goal as well to start the game I probably am you know I'm probably expecting the way we give away own goals like it's like it's running out of fashion um yeah I'm expecting something on sort but I'm expecting Tottenham and an pagu to not disgrace us and let us go through three games back to back losing at home to Arsenal in the league since first time since the 80s yeah crazy yeah bro not an easy thing to do to go and win at Tottenham but Arsenal have done it twice is that giving you confidence Turkish listen of course more confident now than we was two years ago cuz two years ago we went N9 years without without winning there so you know hell of a long time so they built that kind of you know Fortress like atmosphere but now we've beaten them two on two in the last two I am confident the way an plays I'm confident obviously we've got injuries but you know if anything all right that's quietened the confidence a bit but the confidence is still there to to be able to get the job done okay well let's go through some of these debates then like I said on social media we know that everyone just loves to have it out about anything so let's put some of these debates to the panel here um and we'll fly through them you might agree on something you might not we'll start with some player Centric ones let's start with two Wingers who actually I think a couple years ago showed their best form in the Premier League we've not quite seen it from either of them keski or or Martinelli who's the better player it's changed a it it's changed what happened to the other Bo that you were comparing him to we STI to the please we didn't we didn't put for the question we didn't put forward the question I didn't make them up so are you still comparing K to zaka just curiosity I him and now Sweden's Captain listen and zin's Ukraine's Captain I think who cares man Ukraine you Sweden BR you're bring is he your boy that you call him Zin no bro but you want to it come on man it shortens the syllables bro Z was on three sybl here the thing when I look at the two types of players they're different Wingers I think Gabriel Martinelli is obviously a more direct getting behind but if you're talking in terms of who's a better footballer I look at keski I think it's technical ability the close control the chance creation that he's able to do it's almost like he's a midfielder playing out wide sometimes you know what I mean I think the issue that's happened with him I think similarly with martinell is consistency but if you're talking in terms of quality I look at the two and I'm like kuski for me is the better footballer at the end of the day Martinelli's had purple patches where you think you know this is a real goalgetter but I think over the past year 18 months it's really kind of leveled out and kind of stored back to default setting I'll say this I'll say this for me I actually think I actually think I agree with you I think koseski is the better like football if I'm looking at just the technical technical quality but I will say Martin Nelly I think he's a better finisher than kiski I think in front of goal I back him to score more so than I would bet kisi and I think Martinelli is more naturally suited to the wing than keski I've be honest I've been watching keski and I've not I've not been happy with what I've been seeing on the wings I don't think he's a Winger not in the way we play but the job that he can do in the Midfield I think he can do that to a better standard than what Martinelli is serving up right now on the flanks yeah no keski is cuter on the ball as you know in terms of the soft touches he looks yeah the aesthetically he looks more pleasing but if we take the last 12 months productivity wise you know they've both been poor but Martin 's all around game from he worked great working back I think K that yeah but Martin is different different no trust me I from K in terms of setting the Press setting the tone physically we're talking going to cover the left back area coming into M when P's floating he's the one covering I'm telling you it's not like Martin Elli bro it's not like is keski is literally like an Energizer Bunny bro he does not stop that's why he that's why he was getting picked that's why he was getting picked no matter what last season even when we SP getting picked because of his technical ability or furthermore who else could you really play I mean the manager b in a 48 million pound Winger and he wasn't starting ahead of keski so I think look you're right he's a more technical player but in terms of being a frat and behind in the speed and you know that type of that type of transitional threat I think m is much more better and I also feel like we've seen the best of mtin Le cuz I think he's better centrally and we've seen him out wide so far so when he gets platform more and more but let's not forget what 15 League goals in a year that he was platform with jaini so when you give him that platform again and he's proven it at that standard there that was what one goal off the highest Brazilian scoring season ever in premier league history you yeah it wasino I think one one beino and I was at what 21 years of age so they're both good players there's no loss here right but I think in terms of profiles they're very different so it depends what do you want your team want Pace cuz we I would Arsenal cuz he got sacka so they're more technical on that side I actually think he's closer to Ard in terms of like that type of player he's more not like a Pacey wide forward more like an interior and he plays more than eight in my opinion yeah as a pace as a Winger I think he's better moved into the 10 a lot of times kind in Midfield three if you're asking me who do I want on the wings it's not even a contest it's Martin every day of the week if you're asking me which player right now probably offers more to the team I would say koseski probably offers more to the team I think it's fair to say though that both sets of fans would like a little bit more from both those players abely absolutely are but they're both Fringe players at this point in time which is Far Cry from what they were yeah where they F felt crucial couple years ago let's go on to the next one um we me to center backs now Gabrielle magal or Christian Romero see I get I get pel for this one the one with World Cup medals around his neck must ROM I'm just saying bro show some respect please don't come comp playing every sing do that how many how many appearances did mustafi play for how many goals or appearances Martinez also got medal as well so what is he the same C club I'm just saying center backs man Center back you talking you know Messi tax heavy on that argentin let's be real is how big a role he three in the final and you're coming to bring Romero's World Cup to theable mbapp mano are you really Messi tax was Heavy in the Argentina R let's be real that's 910 Messi okay either way even if we want to put international side I think he was one of the best performing center backs last year I think you could say in terms of obviously you guys had the best defensive record you've got the system lock down in terms of individually I think the way he raised his game last year I thought probably one of the most improved center backs in the league in my opinion compared to what he was the year before highest scoring Defender last year as well I think with five or six goals times he popped up but in terms of all round complete I think he's got better passing than Gabrielle if I'm not mistaken I think in terms of winning Jews I'd probably say they're very close in my opinion because I do think Gabrielle ay he's a monster but on the ground that's where I kind of tip Romero a little bit so listen it's a very close one but I think in terms of ball playing ability I think Romero comes out more there and in terms of internationally as well for your country Gabriel still struggling to break into that Brazil side where maybe the depth at Center back isn't as good and I feel like obviously Romero he's just made that team his own essentially it's close man close I don't disagree either I mean but but the difference for me is that listen they've got moments in them both of them but I think Gabrielle's managed to and it's funny saying that this season when he's made mistakes in two out of three games but so he managed to H he's managed to hone that a little bit a couple years ago he was quite Reckless but last year he became known for a more sty was he even better than SEL Romero's had them moments throughout his his hisam career it's not like he's ever you ever looked at him and said you know what he's he's noted what he has to improve on and he's calmed himself down he he can go in any game no I think I think I think you could I think you could say that last season I think you could say that last season last season wasn't that Endz one last season that that one that it was it was that was the one game last season and what what annoys me about that one is okay cool some will say that's a red card but we saw so many so many challenges like that and players aren't even getting booked he's not even gone in for Enzo's ankle there he's got first he's Lally struck the ball first and the follow through gone in on Enzo's ankle but I ain't trying to do Defense League for Romero day I think he should know better than to make those type of challenges in the Box however for me the guy's a quality Center back and he's been in this league three seasons one the first season he was our best defender second season he was poor third season for me again he was our best defender so that's two out of three seasons now where you're actually playing to a to a to a like quality standard and I agree with you I think it's the ball playe for me the ball playe is where I think he excels and he does the the defensive work well but if I'm being honest I think Romero obviously he had quality poor quality whereas Gabriel I think he was very good quality even more quality so I would say if I had say with both of them as well is I think they've both actually been improved by the partner that they have in coming Romero we saw last season Once he got vanen it was like a ying and yang once CA came in ago you see that ying and yang and Gabriel almost where you said they both look rash they both look like they've got moments of laps of concentration but you just felt like that kind of has kind of gone out of their game since they into the PFA Team of the Year and that's verted by the other players so and to make a s about partnership you're right C helps him out quite a lot and it's a close debate it wouldn't say it's like one's mile better than other right but it just depends on what you want Gabrielle for me is more of a du winning Center back you know and when to go and gets tough want him there Romero is one of those players who can you know One V one defend very well as well but we talk about Gabrielle on his last red card I'm pretty sure was against Southampton in like what Co times yeah so so a long long time ago so to make the PFA Team of the Year the rest of the players see him in the league and go you know what this guy's very hard to play against and that's why is he is he's he's quality but so is Romo okay let's go into this next one take cover um Prim son versus Prime sacker son huh son I just I me give me I want know first what what is Prime song is it like a season Prime sonon is you're getting golden boots you're scoring 15 20 20 plus goals a season yeah right you can score with your left foot you can score your right foot you're winning your team games consistently and scoring against the big sides and carrying your team in big in big moments in the league and in the Champions League as well that's what sun has done that's Prime Sun we haven't seen Prime Saka yet that's what I'm saying that that was the the question I older player so we've seen we've seen the best of son in a sense right exactly with sacka we could say right now the peak sacka right now but we don't know what p sakar is he's 22 it's a bit of a naive debit to have but you're right son is best is a very scary player to play against one thing I'd say is I think the thing holding him back is that a lack of accolades you know what's he what's he done in his career because all those goals he scored there what it led to I think that's the biggest issue for him there but apart from that the quality of player purely I think yeah son we've seen the best of son we've not seen the best of sacka but son's deadly s get to a level better I think so I think so because I think he'll win stuff as well and we see internationally for England scoring important goals but right now son's got more experience so he gets gets that you raised the point that when I was thinking about this debate I was thinking about what son could do at his best but I think of those games that Thea had in the Champions League I think of those games he kind of won you and that's something you've been calling for from sacka the goal against Bayern Munich fantastic and he's so young that that can come that son in his prime became a killer and I think if zaka can you know reach that same level of sun then I'd be a very happy man I think Sun his and when you look at his career in the Premier League as well yeah bro he scored like he's had over 10 goals like seven eight years in a row now he's Ru I think he's one of the I'd say he's all time up there one of the best finish we've SE in the leag yeah definitely Absolut I could agree I'm actually deadly finisher I love that you said that cuz I couldn't agree in terms of pure finishing ability I think he's up there in premier league history with both feet as well like right left something that think it's underrated about sacka how often he is happy to go on his right foot he's happy to just go right roof and theet on the right you know what's the funny one though I actually think Martinelli on the other side I think he should model his game around ABS I thought he was doing that when he when he did he was I think that's what it is they're both fantastic finishers son's obviously better on both feet martinell is more head down type of dribing type but I think he'll learn off that if I'm martinell i m my game on hman son cuz that's a profile that can match Pace wise and to improve te always his technique in his dribbling and even his finishing Martinelli needs to reach that sort of composure level we say that but you know when it comes to finishing winning matters for us for son there tends to miss his chances is he he missed last last year was the one time time say the one time was on the line he missed I can't see the worst thing about that miss that he he bagged the one at the Emirates it's the exact same chance you know it's like on his right foot go you know cross the keeper a Vint that's my captain yeah yeah well onei us the title and to it so don't blame you trophy was on the line he said oh yeah let's go to the striker debate just signed dominant salanki uh Kai hav who I think it's fair to say with sign as a Midfield it look like but has become Arsenal's nine um son just had a great season for Bournemouth understand you understand why he spent the money hav is probably the reason why we haven't gone and spent the money so who will be the highest score of the two in the Premier League this season that's it havs because we make more chances he gets in better positions and also and also what more importantly he's had a season as well the sank just outscored him he did he did but that was he was their main goal for it you know spars have got son so they share the goals more often koseski Madison there's other players to share the goals with at Bournemouth can you name anyone who has more than five League goals you I mean so he becomes the highest us player though I think is a fantastic player by the way but havit has been here for a year he's found his position in the team as well he knows his teammates better and he also gets a lot of chances as well you know it was 13 League goals last year and he had half the year with no confidence but imagine the whole year with confidence okay fair point but Dominic sank out scored him last year Dominic San was one go of 20 last year okay we know that his goal scoring record has not been the best in the league in general but at the age he is right now at this stage of his career come into a team that will create more chances than than than Bournemouth if you look at the way we play last last season we've not really had we've not really been blessed with that Target man that we can actually that we can actually like like lump crosses into into the box and even still the we created bucket loads of Chas for a charlon bucket loads of chances for sun bucket loads of chances for for for um for so many of our so many of our attackers so I'm expecting that he comes into this team and he's able to maintain and even exceed what he did for Bournemouth last season I think our playing style suits him as well in terms of the aggressiveness that we play with I think he does that really well in terms of that Bournemouth team setting the press and things like that but I think as you said we create so many chances we were lucky that last season Sun we kind of moved in more centrally and kind of papered over the cracks and listen Sun's 32 I don't know how many how long he's got left so I feel like salanki coming in gives us that focal point and I just think it's almost like a perfect match he's a player who's been building towards that Ascension we're trying to get back to that level it's kind of like a perfect match in my opin havs I think yeah havs I think this seon should be looking to push on cuz he's had a strong think hit 20 Ed Habs because I think he's had more time so when it comes to adaptation and stuff you got a new system to adapt to you know when he's come habits is had a whole year in a system now you can see now everything's like natural to him whereas last year he thinking about more stuff soank will have times and he scor goals as well so I think he's a good signing second year it will be equal more equal debate cuz he's had more time but I think this year I'd Edge havs cuz we score more we make more chances and and he gets a lot of that threatening positions as well so essentially that would be havs having his best ever season yeah yeah 100% last year was last year was his best in the Premier League it was 13 quite easy as well when you you take it all into consideration he scored when it mattered the most at the end of the year bear in mind this is being recorded when he is a nine you know all the injuries he might be 10 or eight by the time Sunday comes but true if if he starts up front I think he should do it but I think both should get 20 if you hit 19 for bourou you get a 65 million move to a big six Club it's 20 goals mate so if you put a number on it you're saying 20 you saying leag all comps I'm saying do Premier League Premier League I think sank will out score him if he gets 20 in the league in his first I think out scoring personally do you really think that I've set the target of between 16 he's a better I think he's a better finisher then I think the only way he outscores him is if we drop hav to Midfield that's about it I think if they both played nine all season I think havit will outscore him we'll see boy I think artetta and Arsenal concede possession when they want to sometimes and then there'll be a lot of defend for habits to do there'll be a lot of bringing the other players into play not saying sank doesn't do that overall game but I could see a lot of the football being channeled towards sank and him getting a lot of goals so I think it's you could make an argument for either I don't think hav is definitely kind of walking away with more goals just because we're expected to I don't know beiring the table in anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if sank out scores hav um but let's go into the next one you sign a lot of good young players what of Arsenal fans have been talking about last few years one of the youngest squads and all that so over the next next five years who has the higher ceiling with these current squads ceiling is in what like trophies or you know the the the highest they can go then Arenal these groups of players do you think so who's Clos to who's closer to a league tit in the next honestly speaking I think but the question what's the question is it like Squad in terms of like the quality of player or like who's more likely to win trophy is trophy isn't just predicated on oh my God like trophy multiple factors go into trophy you need a manager it's like I think we're talking further your process the thing in 5 years time the potential of these groups of players because there is excitement around Tottenham is there I would say we're almost in like the second we literally are in the second year of an whereas I feel like you guys have almost had like four years you've really kind of gone through your teething process you've kind of figured out how to really compete at the top consistently if that makes sense we still haven't even got to that point so for us to get there I still think this is a year of almost like close the gap to city and Arsenal see where we can get but at the moment look if pep was to leave at the end of the season or whatever you would think Arsenal are best in place to kind of take that position and go on to win Spurs are not there right now and as you said we've sign a bunch of 18 year olds I think three or four this summer the ceiling of them could potentially be very high and in 5 years time they might be the players that we hope can kind of push us towards tile but right now can they do that I I don't too much to ask for yeah like you look the players you just listed now so obviously I didn't watch gray much in the championship but I had more Arsenal fans than Tottenham fans come to me and tell me You' signed a bad boy like like they're ranting and raving about this guy so if what they're saying is true he could be one for the future but I don't expect him to be the difference between Spurs finishing Fifth and finishing second this season I don't expect to like the signings that you guys have made even I think he's talented but again I think might move us to one position himself he's good of all the ones we've signed he's the one I'm the most excited about I'll be honest with you he is the one that I think I mean who's this group we're talking dry gray um Mike Mo I think he looks Wicked is the one who's playing with Ethan wi 19 he look he looks good um like we got we got some I think for the first time in a long time we've actually like Spurs have actually done quite well to pull together like a talented poor players and even if all of them don't make it because you've just basically managed to just Club so many together now just by virtue of trial and eror one or at least two are should be able to actually go and be like a main stay in this team so let's see how it pans out man but were just too early in comparison to on the other side what do you guys make of kind of your situation with the youngsters obviously you've had chido Obi leave over the summer um K duber as well who's taled to be like the next sacker these kids needs to come down that's what I think yeah who do they think they are at 15 at 16 how how's football falling off like this that 15 16 17 year olds are putting big big clubs like this under pressure not just us it's happened that most of our clubs with youngsters over the it's a disgrace you want a go go that's how I see it you're 15 16 go good luck to you but where's your head at how's it how's it a better we're talking about Obi in particular how's United a better stomping gr to go to oh you're going to get more minutes and a bit more cash I go do that then is there not is there not a fear of though maybe they're not seeing a pathway at Arsenal which is why they're looking we're also a very we're also a very good side right now so if we were in like your position or United position right now when we were sacka Smith roow there were players coming through there's less opportunity now so if you if you want to bring into a top top side you got to be very special you say that but on Sunday I'm seeing your fans say play Ethan yeah because there's injuries of course you need that as well but if ard's fit like he start there's never a chance one starts right and also furore he's 17 as well so very excited for our youngsters I think I look at Ethan right now I go okay you look to me and Lou Skelly you look the closest to me to actually breaking to the side the lik of K D Co they were good but they never look special to me you know and I didn't watch Cheo be like anyway so yeah I'm excited but yeah I think there's a reason why they there's not a power right now because we've got players in those positions that about all right let's talk combined Els the statement I've been given no more than three Spurs players get into the Arsenal Spurs combined 11 who I take you I say this right there's a lot of players I would take in your squad for in our Squad I think your players are good right but in the first team is a bit harder walks in for doy left backs in over what's Cali and Timber walks over every what's C what's caliy done so fin in the leag didn't he get subbed off on the weekend for Destiny where Destiny got the assist go and heal your ankle brother remind when matter the most when it come to the starting 11 our boy started and when he got injured your boy came as a backup pretty man is what it is but don't forget you say this ain't no love Island but don't forget that if not for injury our boy would have been starting at the Euros our boy did start at the Euros yeah because oury got injured injur he wasn't playing left back though he was playing C back he was playing bro I'm talking about Destiny we're talking about left back right Destiny would have started for for Italy at left back if not for the injury right so I know that his form dipped a little bit towards the back end of last season but the qualities that he's displayed so far in the league for me I can confidently say yeah okay cool cify looks good Timber looks good but I don't see it as a still kind of unknown cont yeah I don't see it as a disc for me to say yeah at this point in time i' he got the ground work because he's got a season under him so if you're going to use that then there is no argument but in terms of us seeing the quality of Timber in particular not so much for me K Fury I've only seen him at Arsenal in a few minutes for Italy but Timber you know there's something there with with that guy and I think you give but that's where he started for us last year before the injury and that's where he's coming for us this year so give him 10 15 games and I think this conversation is different but if we're talking about groundw do looked good last year I think would loveely doggy I can't lie I'll probably give him that yeah I think that's said I take him in our Squad but to start in 11 11 straight away takes time man I need to see him do a little bit more he's very young how old is he he's 21 y he's young so I want to see him do it for a bit more time in a better defense as well but yeah I think he's a good play let's work through the rest of the team then Vicario R so Vicario for me last season he had a better season than R he did he had a better who made the P 18 the year yeah because you had the meanest defense in the league yeah so that no but also it's voted by the peers so the other league other Strikers have gone this is the hardest game I've played against no no no but but you you got that on a technicality technity okay yes you literally got it on a technicality because you can't say to me you cannot say to me confidently that he was the best performing goalkeeper in the League last year that would be a lie yes I can so do you believe that yes I do so you are saying on record you honestly believe he was the best performing in the last season you are a disgraceful liar why is that because I know you the most don't get me wrong I I don't think that the players stick they forio was then no I don't think he was the best in the league but I think he was better than riy so who was the best of The League last year if it wasn't Rya I'm trying to I'm trying to think Allison was better than him Allison so why the default like why would the players not that's I'm trying these are the play it's not my opinion these are the other players that question put me on the spot but what I'm saying is what David ryer served up the first half of last year he literally can't be the best performing goalkeeper he got that on a technicality because your defense was mean you had Dean rice you had CBA you had Gabrielle you had Ben White you had these man holding it down so they were there the year before Rams though as well they were theread the year before we upgraded for a reason so rice wasn't and you you were blaming Rob Holden for for for for catapulting your your Premier League hopes because you were saying that gabri was monstrous that CRA was monstrous that Ben White was monstrous so let's not do this let's yeah he was so let's not do this didn't you do the same with Romero and and vanen and Z DOI and basuma these men are monstrous they only play together you have a better back don't forget that on a certain podcast there was Guy saying that Spurs got a better back four than Aral who said that I don't I don't sucribe I said that about we were talking about individuals not as a okay so you got better individuals so as I said to you we we had Destiny we just had that discussion we can go through the rest if you want versus Ben White Ben White every single day of the week cool that's what you tell yourself I that going white I'm going white respect not me he's better than porro listen I don't think so I think defens good but Ben White for me in terms of passing ability one of the best in that position only second to Trent if I'm not mistaken how many assists did he get n assists last year from that position going up and down engine and I think the year before everybody talked about defensively questioning because what Sherwood was saying bro that was his first six months in the league since then how many how many wings can we actually say have cooked porro he's I still think he's got work to do again Ben White can do everything poro does and more he can invert he can overlap he canward he can't attack L you said he can do everything por can do he can't attack l he but he can't attack like P's better than him as an attacking overlapping fullback primarily but in this modern day football with systems and if you have one that can tuck into a threee go into a two-man Midfield he even we've even seen him in final third mid this I think sitting on the fence no I'm not I think Ben him I literally said it I think Ben White is better than him you can think that that's fine but for me I'm telling you I think porro in terms of what we need for our team and in most modern day fullbacks you want an attacking fullback nowadays and porl for me is the who P more who suits pep Mo yeah the guy that the guy probably yeah he could but Ben would definely he doesn't even want no know about you know a Ben White would suit exactly what Pep's been doing the last three years center backs across the back four whether it plays right center back or right back in doesn't doesn't do that but you just mentioned in in modern day day pep pep the Bible to Modern Day football you know but he's Chang to the gaffa copies him don't mean everybody else it's not just it's not just it's not just my gaffa it's gaffas all over the world are copying him listen they can but I'm saying in terms of the modern day fullback I think porro is the prototype for that I agree Ben White I think has shown he can play that position no problem going forward I think poro is better defensively I think Ben White is better who would I prefer I think poro cuz he's more look there's moments put it this way two years ago I thought the link up with Ben White odard sacker was almost indestructible last year I felt like that kind of faded away a little bit and it was because of Ben White's lack of almost Effectiveness in that final third if that makes sense and I was like bro it's moments like this where you still look like a center back masquerading as a right back so there's Arguments for three positions there porro oogi Vicario do you want to go into the center backs or just move on WE CBA CBA will get there yeah and we I think I think the other one is where we need to disc Gabriel vanen Gabriel van what vanen what we're just leaving Romero Addis just a minute ago you know saying are you I've given you out of the back five you're giving Mana we got the best defense in the leag the best defense in the leag giv us we should giv you who else is in there give him who else is in there I said already I'm making the cases for the other what players in what Aral players in this back five in your opinion I said for me for me it's vario just leave for me Vicario and Vicario and Destiny that's the ones you see cuz this B their body no but this is the craziest thing because if you look at it last season you had the best defense what was it how many clean sheets 15 14 15 18 it's always going to look crazy if you say anybody should be AB cuz as a unit you were the best but I'm looking at it individually that's the difference here but football is a unit game it is a unit Destiny and that's it at the back five that's how I that's how I see it do you think your back four that you'd have the best defense in the league no cuz I think an puts our defense at a disadvantage with the he Saida had your group of Defenders and goalkeeper have the best defensive record yeah would Toten have the best defensive League I think he would genuine interes I do think artetta system definitely does help you lot you can't deny that I think I think also with the you don't have a Ben White you don't have a um Timba you don't have these like that's where that's where it differs you don't have the fullback we don't have a as well yeah our fullbacks are more Wing backs your fullbacks are actual center backs yeah because you need that as well CU your forwards aren't as good as our forwards either so you need your fullbacks to help you out we don't need that as much we can have Ben White show at the back and likewise Timber and have the rest of the players do their jobs and Stu I would I would I would want an to have porus chill at the back would you little I would he's more effective going forward no he is but I'm saying I don't want him to be playing as a number 10 every single game I don't want it to just be and I think this is this is one thing that I I've been saying it for the longest time we can see the 61 goals last year so the default is oh spurs' Defenders aren't that good Romero was they play together 15 times Romero was fantastic last season I'm going to say and Van vanent one game there's only one game anyone can point to where they can actually say van was was weak in Newcastle and it happen it happen but gab Gabrielle there games I can point so yeah what I'm saying is these guys individually you're watching their most weaks and you're like yo these guys are actually putting in some good performances and SP are still losing SP are still conceding goals why is that why systematically exactly I think our Highline handicaps that defense so much and we've always used vanen as almost like a get out of jail card and you saw against Newcastle two weeks ago when van wasn't there was still playing The High Line Romero gets caught out I don't even think I don't even think it is just just playing a high line I think it's more how the manager uses The High Line right because van event he is suited to playing The High Line Romero there he's he's an aggressive Center back he's a front not doing it for 99 minutes of the game but it's not it's not even about that be per it's more it's more about no no it's more about it's more about can you set up your defense in such a way that you're not putting so much burden on your Center back that's why I'm saying por you don't have to be playing the number 10 all the time defend with four defend with five it pisses me off honestly it pisses me off I'm I'm watching Newcastle and Newcastle was probably the one of the few games last season or few games I've seen in a while where like we're playing a high line but we're ready we're ready for the Counterattack with four man at um four man ready to defend against newcastle's Runners at times and we don't see that enough we don't see that enough when we're watching to all I've learned from this is you two need a channel that's my take away all I want to say is this our two center backs okay cool Spurs fans will say I'm I'm selling out for this but I don't think our two center backs are as good as Arsenal two center backs but I want Arsenal fans to acknowledge that our two center backs are class League yeah 100% right and I want why don't we do that we'll give you the center backs we'll take the full backs Who full backs I think that's fair I actually think that's a perfect back then white is clean one of the best defenders in Midfield now let's go to Midfield um this one's easy what the what who are the indisputable this one's easy sorry go for it odard Madison De rice okay sorry you okay yeah yeah yeah yeah you think don't mind that no no I don't you say don't mind that you should say that's the that's the guarantee m is a guarantee so what's the what's the guaranteed for you well I I think right now from what we seeing yeah but we see Marino play as actual left number eight I feel like I feel yeah because Madison's a 10 bro I'm using I'm go fix his shoulder bro come on man to bro you are not having no I'm just I'm just saying I'm just saying you're using two1 and one six realize how you would be might be better than no but if we base it off okay let's base it off the last 12 months Madison's form dropped off a hell of a lot last season let's say that same form happens this season and at the same time Mourinho comes you tell me mourinho's form no no but what I'm saying he's my Midfield would be more balanced right you don't have two 10 and one six I don't want two ards in same Midfield I want a number eight I want like a 6 eight Jaa right and so Jaa is why your fans complain about de R playing that position Now isn't he be hon isn't he a if Bon had the last fo I would have definitely it would have been rice Benton Co and old God Madison's in there Bon hasn't and we don't have an eight so he's in the much bance get what I'm saying so Point balance but you're talking about balance cool but I'm talking about playing FIFA no no no no don't say if we're playing FIFA let's let not do that do that let's do that because I'm seen I'm seen you man play in there and he's turning like a like like a double decker bus and you're you're not liking it you're not liking what you're seeing you want someone in that in that position with more G so there's no way on Earth you're telling me a Midfield of Madison odard and de rice are not going to mash work they're going to mash work simple just good off the Bo on the ball I Works Madison but Madison works hard off the ball doesn't mean it's good off the ball you can work hard you have to be good as well yeah but he's not as good as a du winner as maybe Camarino is naturally he just isn't yeah it's not about it's not always about con winning je you've got a D moner you need that as but you've got a D monster I could run back all the time if I can't win the ball back don't matter but you've got a du monster there and deam rice yeah as a six and you got so man city that's like me man city when they had Kevin De bruy David Silva Fernand so you always want to play with two six sorry you always want to play with two sixes no 6 eight that's what it is you could have a six an actual six like rice a 6 eight like a Marino and number 10 eight I think Madison could play the eight I think for Spurs can play as an eight but I don't think he play I think if he did that erard would be the eight and then mad I'm saying you have to balance thir but I agree I think if Bon Co was fit for the year and showing what he's kind of shown his spells he'd be in for bance for sure I don't want to long this out but just in in a quick word papar do you rate Ian he's not in the conversation he's 20 or something no 20 21 do you know do you know the thing with Pap I love him jack of all trades but I don't know what he's the master of do you know what I mean so it's kind of doesn't make this all right so with the front three then what are we saying there surely come on surely this one should be open S Ki salanki son no I'm joking s San's son not San no son I give you for sure but no I think har is better than San why 100% I think based off what I think he's I thought he scor more goals I think for what we need feel he will but he hasn't I think he'll work better with son as well have yeah son can out down the middle as well but what what we need for have what we need right now from no no he just said that and I'm not he said anybody what's the he he's a very good combination Salan is the type of wants to be in the Box majority of he he bro compared to hav compared to hav you're telling me that you can compare sank being up front meld is going to that's what we're comparing right now who will create more space in behind H or orank who creates more space in behind Salan creates more I'm not even a fan I'm not even a fan will create more space than San 100% in front of the defense not behind it behind it 100% I don't agree we'll see with Sterling this year but Sun would work well with so you're back in should get 20 goals Sterling should ReDiscover some of his bestc Sterling should should cuz I was watching a I was watching the live stream on your channel don't worry about them live stream I feel like in my front three I think that's a very good balance son Saka goal scorers hav can provide score goals as well I think it's perfect no no no I think it's Salan for me so you're going I'm going San s Saka H's son same s son wow nasty reality is I'm playing trossard false n over all to be honest all right shout let's wrap it up there all right I think this where Tottenham fans might have a bit of fun the statement Arsenal now are no different to Spurs under poch in fact let's include the arteta arsal in their Prime I know better than Spurs under poch and their well I mean if if we're doing full artetta seasons cuz obviously you did the FA Cup in that half season before no no no it does count it does count but I'm talking if we're taking full seasons into the best version of Arsenal under artetta ver the best version of Tottenham under poch they're the same they're the same like we had the best defensive record back toback Seasons That's not forget that with Toby ovar V tongen had the same solid backline we played swashbuckling football just like you guys you know second third guys we're nearly there we're building we're cooking something and then the Thanos finger listen 2019 was a hell of a year I'll say that but so this is if you if you want to if you want to add Nuance obviously they've had two se you have had two seasons going at a back to back whereas we had the season when we went for the title we didn't accumulate as many points as we did in the second season but if you want to look at it holist Ally what fuad is saying is right like in the end of the day these are two teams who were fighting against a team who were go also going for the title scored the most goals ConEd the least goals playing the best football in the league but ultimately didn't win the league but we didn't wi the league to Man City you lost to Leicester no no so did you though don't forget that cuz that season you the league for the long that's the compar that's the quality of also we finished four it was never fourth or third it was always second fifth or second that's what it is we jumped straight to fighting for a title to the final day of the Season as well you haven't done that either you were just glimpsing from a far away you just dist like from miles away we both won nothing that's the thing we have W furthermore we have won something so that's that's but it's not because FA Cup team how many question yeah why we're better it's not because of the FA Cup it's because I think we're closer to beating and winning a title than you guys ever were okay but you being better for me Isn't that relevant because ultimately if I'm using your example about trophies isn't isn't that what matters at the end of the day there's parallels to be drawn okay you we you had 84 points in your first season we had 86 points in that season with PCH but then you had 89 points last season in the end of the day we're still talking about two teams that tried to go for the title okay you took it to the final day but you didn't win it you didn't win it and you the point is we went one step further than you did how how many but it's aching the same thing in winning nothing the end result but the end so it's marginal for sure for sure I'm not saying there's a major difference I think can I make a statement at risk of upsetting both fans but here we go I think on the Arsenal League argument I think Arsenal got closer to a team that looked like title winners but Tottenham had a few FA Cup semi-finals in there the Champions League final like and we've really failed on everything outside of the Premier League I think that's kind of two and can I just say as all can I can I just say as all so yeah like you were able to push you may have been able to push more but you had more resources Spurs Spurs were having to do this pochettino is having to do this whilst having whilst having to to to balance balance plates he's just he's just taken a team from fifth to challenge him for a title against Leicester that you were also challenging for a title with and we we fell away and what was what was his reward um 17 million wait wait wait what was his 17 million Jansen 30 million tsoko 11 million wanyama 11 million Inu four players signed only one of those players only one of those players were good enough to actually come into the team and be a starter can you say the same for artetta last season no he wanted de 105 million he wanted Kai have at 65 million potinho didn't have any of this and still accumulated at 86 points so when we're trying to draw parallels we need to take that into consideration as well so if he had if he had the money if he had the money if he had the resources who's to say that we wouldn't have Tak buta had didn't have the like for example Kane coming through that's a result it's a different type he had s but it is different S I want to ask you question was walking into being a 20 goal a league Striker but he had Saka Sak s on Saka on his way to be still on his yeah he's still and Kan was the Kan Kan was Kan on his when P came in remember he just broke through the year before and it was after a bunch of failed L spells like hurcan wasen as Wonder 17 season Kane was a he was 25 goal season that was actually his breakout year I would say that was a year he himself as a world class player his break was I would say the year before but Kane was Kane missed like two three months that season yeah he missed like two three mon he the only reason why Kane scored so many goals is because he's Kane like he only played 29 League games that's another thing the question again read out stat well yeah Prime arteta AR not their best versus their best well he's the better we'll beat them can't Li what is it 24 16 17 toh yeah I mean game that's harur to finish in the League this season do you think or last season which what the 16 17 yeah your best version of I think we'd be better than Liverpool and I think we' we'd be as good as Arsenal as I think we'd be in no I don't the reason let me I think I think our first 11 our first 11 can go I think we but I think Arsenal Squad is deeper than what we had and that's that's what let us down that's what let us essentially both haven't done anything yeah if anything I felt B sorry for times cuz I was like if yeah you deserve more money to spend but you didn't have that and that's why I've never been scared of us being like you cuz we have that thing we didn't have the money you spend and so I'm able to go okay I'm confident my team will of course I'm not so when so you winning it this season hope so yeah no no no don't say hope so are you winning it this you the season you winning this season so I mean you're talking toam what are you doing this season don't tell me I we going to win the title we are going for the title that's what we're going what you going what you going for this year what you going to do we're going to go for go for the title what you me to say we're going go for you me to for the so what yeah question going for a title is that yeah because you're Arsenal you're the better team you spent more money you got the better manager so what you going to do about this what are you going to do about this season we're going for the title no no not saying you're going are you going to win it I hope so yeah oh you I think you could have win europ you hope so so uh let's just sum up the various debates we've had keski Martinelli I think we just agree two very different players Kulu perhaps more technical Martin perhaps a bit more direct than a goal threat we went Gabrielle versus Romero and you just were split on that except TOS did to be fair lean towards Gabrielle on that one very fairly and unbiasedly um son Prime son versus sacka Prime son uh salanki will outscore havs again that was 5050 wasn't it completely um higher ceiling it's kind of difficult to to really come to a conclusion on that question um Arsenal I think even we ConEd that one to be fair yeah uh the combined 11 it's fair to say you argued for more than three players I think I said it straight one two three four for me four to five players make that Madison do the fullbacks Madison Salan that's about five doy Sony medic no medicine San and noar no no noar hey that man six no problem it's more than half no problem oh wow so what you not doing this got more than half got six players I didn't realize five players equals the whole team this is what I don't get oh but if you got more better players than us what are you man saying no I said five I didn't say six yeah just about Boule seven bro no I would and some agreement that 's Arsenal still till they achieve something no further than Tottenham so uh there we go let us know your thoughts in the 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