Alexis Ohanian Explains Why He's Investing In Women's Track And Launching Athlos NYC

[Music] all right we are here in Paris Chris chabis Alexis oan here the uh head founder of the uh 776 was and on top of that now just entering the track space with AOS NYC super exciting the announcement was made months ago but now we're starting to get athletes trickling in and the uh headline performer was announced Mega stallion we're looking at September 26th that's right as an excellent night of track in New York City Lexus I mean youve got all in on this first question why why tra [Music] oh I saw something last year that reminded me a lot of what I saw in March of 2019 when I had that prophetic tweet St him about how undervalued women sports was and took him in soccer the World Cup was coming the American women even among non women soccer CLS who know as being best in the world I knew I could Market greatness and I was shocked that a team in the fresh soccer league had just sold for like $35 million to me that was upside that was opportunity obviously I bought a franchise the enemy C came into City and today the franchise is worth $300 million the end cell even the expansion fees are selling for $53 million so it's a lot of growth just three and a half years so I'm sitting here a year ago looking and I know again as a non-track fail I know the Americans especially in the windw having a legacy of greatness and exellence I know that every four years just like the World Cup everyone is paying attention to the sport it is a B shift tier one sport and then I thought okay why wen't I paying attention my Cress in a time and so I did what I did in 2019 I talked to the very best athletes I could so Alex organ back then to want and take time with M teach me about the sport I didn't realize the end of result that time was being broadcast a lifetime yeah and again I saw that and I thought oh well that's stupid but amazing opportunity cuz now I know why big reason why the market is undervalued this thing is because they're running it in in not a very intelligent thing not many people watching sport te so imagine my surprise when I talk to stars like Gabby Thomas and they explained to me for instance that you know the top top top prize in the end of the season they when it's $30,000 that's not a lot of money and and especially if you're a professional athlete you got to imagine run that down a list right it is very very very very hard to perform in fulltime just focused on your track and field support you you're getting big that so I thought okay here's an opportunity let just double the prize $60,000 for the top R for One race yeah out multiple which just why make this the largest person history of track grank dun announced back in April and and as I talked to more and more of these athletes I just got even more confidence because what they were saying was a lot of what I felt back in 19 around limit soccer and again it's a very different sport but as I spend more time with these athletes spent more time online in these track communities and again a atic guy I can pay too much attention to this but Twitter Instagram Tik Tok vibrant communities online and that was something I looked for back in 19 when I was talking about buying a team and and resting with so many of the fans came out in the comments basically said don't just talk about it be and I said okay I got a fem St and and that was the story there so uh I don't know I I I see this as business opportunity first and foremost and our North Star is always talk to the athletes work from the athletes come at of front principal as a technology company Builder that's how you have to approach problems and uh turns out it's just it's an awesome awesome Sport and I I've only got me more and more confident the more time I've spent in this sport around the sport that's Eugene my first ever track of me the probably the most hopeful part of that whole thing um was seeing our sponse from from the athletes uh folks just came up to me was to say hey this is really dope like I didn't even get the invite for it but I want I'm going to be there next year uh that that to me is the the bar War I would opened yeah I kind of remember seeing this play out a little bit in real time where you put out a tweet where it was like we is the top college track and field ath so man we responded with like a whole list list I started following them all yeah you fall and then you followed C and I remember even after the announcement about back me coming out you're like no C's been a part of like my education in becoming a track fan true story so what how have you sort of gone about reverse engineering yourself as a track fan and what was it like I guess out being at you know the US Olympic trials and in in a way also having like horse in thing in the r yeah I am so I was small forward the energy there at those Olympic trials reminded me of I don't know us opens moment where there was so much I almost got a little bit of like PTSD so I grew up playing team sports obviously I'm married to the go Serena you know the solo sport side the energy at a tennis event Like Us open is so interesting because it's there's so much anxiety there's so many nerves like it's palpable and it you know goes on for two weeks and you know there are fewer and fewer people there every day and it's a it's a feeling right as soon as walk in there those Olympic trials and Eugene felt the exact same way you I wasn't like married to one of the athletes I still can feel it because in a country like the United States we are just so blessed so many amazing athletes yeah folks don't make the cut who would be the literally the fastest person in most other countries yeah and so you put all of that in one space and it makes sense to me why Sprint and the box to box folks you know told the story around it um these trials are they're intense and I have I have folks I've got to know who didn't make the cut I have folks I've got know AR did and it's just that that that story alone is Captiva so it's a question of okay how do you create a space then where you can have so many of the fastest folks show up and tell that story in the way that a casual American Sports Fan would you know yeah and and that was one of the so again I understand though it's just theal issues like having mad at the app but I also you know this is an advantage that we don't have with appos where you know there were multiple events happening at the same time they even we went to the London di League event there's an awesome event Pass State 4 50,000 people there out but you have to there's a there's a challenge in storytelling with things going on on the track at the same time on the field yeah and and part of the way that we try to think about it is okay again from first principles why is it the way this is let's ask ourselves from a fan experience at the event and from a broadcast experience at home how do you make it Captain it what I found in track which I love okay so the owner of a women's soccer team one of the biggest hits was realizing again grow up American Football was out sport American football is basically designed for commercial yeah think when all this starting and sto any European they tell you it's a very Herky jerky type of sport now proper like football you're playing for 45 minutes to change Non-Stop and so you really can't look away but the drama of a football match is it it's pretty flat with these spikes of oh oh [ __ ] is that about to be a goal yeah but it's a consistent oh [ __ ] and then maybe when you get to the end of time and and uh extra time now the drama starts ratcheting up or shoot out okay but generally speaking the K all those matches is pretty flat with some spikes so you can't really look away but you're also not engrossed by and then I'm watching these Tri I'm like M like there is a story and this was our North Star with Angel City LA Golf Club there's a story we have to be telling about our athletes every minute they are not on the track or on the pitch or on the green which makes people cares it's the why they cheer for these athletes it's who they are it's what they're running for it's what they have for breakfast it's all those things that social media Shameless blood did a great job Reinventing with with sports scor top because athletes can go direct and it's our job as a race to to amplify those things tell those things do better so that when they line up be and then we water really really get weird and and so I pitched this and literally I mean 100 out of 100 of these women said this is dope I'm like what about a walkout song when baseball does this pretty well but they don't do enough for why don't lean into it even more and say okay you know the WWE or UFC boxing they really amp it out so like what if we just go there you pick a song we've got strug we got we got a f you really feel like you were coming out into you know the arena we were a gladiator going out everyone love it this is so dope I don't know what my walkout song will be no one's ever asked me that before like those when those responses come so consistently from the athletes we we're on a something it's like great we'll do that everyone's now heard about my idea to have an F1 style circuit track and Gabby checked you on that shut down but is so important that's great right cuz I want to discard those dumb ideas but again I want to question this is first principal thinking why does it have to be oval I know to track experts that's maybe the dumbest question you could ask but the way to build generational technology companies is to question those assumptions why would anyone look at a front page that's not CNN and here times well maybe because of wound full of effors alone cannot tell you what the front page of the whole internet is because there's too much stuff that was my pitch for Reddit for 15 years and thankfully proved out pretty right and so we look at this way and just say first buil the athletes and so imagine we're you you're telling the story you're having these hyped up walkouts we've got an amazing YK DJ D nice who's spinning so you're going to show up to a a really fun Thursday night right folks are already going to be getting ready for the weekend it'll be a fun September night you got a few drinks in you you're having a good time D ni is spinning all of a sudden the lights shut out music stops and out comes that first walk out right and now the crowd's getting fired up each lady gets their time gets their love and now when we're talk about the drama and the storytelling especially fa football you've now built up to this moment and everyone lines up as soon as that gun goes off you it cannot look yeah and again if you're just thinking about it like why why do I want to hold some session like track in particular is set up so perfectly for this because you have a very clear payoff in actually not that much time it's in the shorter buiness but then you find the winner great everyone's fired up you're celebrating uh crowning moment and you know like if there 60 Grand everyone else is get paid out to um and the Beat Drops and your Vibe it again and and we want to bring the same kind of energy this intersection of culture and scort that F1 does so well even the damn Kentucky dirty yeah as well and that culture hasn't been relative for 150 years right and yet people are going and they're thrilled to go because they're seeing athletes go from point A to point as fast as they can yeah and so my thesis is pretty simple if you're willing to watch dudes on horses dudes in cars why wouldn't you want to watch the fastest human that seems to me go if I were explain this pitching as an alien that seems like the thing that would be the most going because it's the easiest for anyone of us to connect to and the and so that's that's the we thing about the storytelling of it and I I'm fascinated as we dipped more into this um just to see again respons from the athletes and the fact that they are especially this generation very very motivated they see what their peers are doing in other sports and they realize like hold on a second like this is the original sport uh coincidentally 776 is named that because that was the year of the first ancient Olympic Games so 776 BC I was going to name the firm Olympia after my daughter my wife wisely said don't do that cuz we have another kid not going to get J sure enough we had another kid so great job Serena uh so we almost 776 and the reason I I ultimately picked it I love who Story the first event at the first Olympics was running about it was like 200 M maybe is and and it was woron by a cook got off his shift showed up at the Olympics and was like all sure I'll run and pass students um now okay the other reason it's a good story he's we celebrate it's a true story we celebrated as this this great example of of sports ex ult right it's the it's the epitome of like yeah you be a a cook finishing your shift and turns out the pastest in the world but it's also a reminder uh because they only invited the people from the mid he he was not the fastest man in the world he was just the fastest dude who got fight uh the ancient Greeks for all their genius didn't invite anyone from outside of Greece they also didn't even let women watch let over to space and so that serves and has served the last 4 years as a reminder to all of us to to not settle for the greatness we see in front of us and I when I think frankly of my own career as an investor as a Founder I feel kind like that cook uh because I feel like there were bigger opportunities there were other Investments I could have made and there were things that I want to keep us rooted it to never stop searching uh because you get caught up celebrating that cook you miss out on the greatness and abortion Str we started with the women for this a that yeah uh for now so you speaking to the athletes excellent play to start they get the direct feedback to the people who are this yes don't get it twisted no one gives a [ __ ] about the owners no one should care about the logos uh foros at least no one should care about the only people who mattered in the sports are the athletes themselves and I'm not get it twisted you're seeing a shift happening very very quick and and no score is a game f y so what are the frustrations that you have heard I guess from one of these athletes in these early conversations about like the current structure of drag and peel it's been Sportsman the same way for so long and like their Happ attempts at change but all you know some have fallen flat or run out of money yeah yeah that was I I was certain met with a lot of optimism so skepticism thankfully between Reddit Angel sui everything else I've done folks are pretty confident we were going to deliver in in a positive gaming way but um gosh I think be hearing even just sort of like the visibility it's like you want to be seen Gabby was very quick to jump on that I guess in New York she in April to her credit I mean we spoke first probably a year ago almost to this day and and she was definitely one of the first to come back with I mean she had an entire memo of thoughts ideas she was like the Ben diagram of enthusiastic and Incredibly insightful where the vagra was like a perfect circle and so that that was incredibly motivating to Think Through okay there's clearly a there there and so many of these athletes are Ste we haven't even announced I mean the field is is the basic lock we just we didn't want to take attention Val from Co during the Olympics as soon as these are done we're going to announce the rest of the field but what's so motivated me was you got to see this light ball go off and I'll tell you why man I yes pitching the idea of walkout music pitching the idea of a really modern storytelling digital first storytelling like yeah sure that all checks out it Vibes it's sort of obvious um but the number one thing they were all asking for was money and and at the end of the day I was like you got every right to that's why we doubled the prize that that that was there was no careful science behind it it was just okay so you're saying I could set the record for the largest purse if we just knew make it 60k and that is it and and so that but that unlock is Meaningful right you have sports like uh in espe sports you have sports like tennis and golf where those Sports have become incredibly lucrate for men and women and they've become incredibly lucrative in part because you've got serious investment You' got large purses which sort of break a lot of the fundamental dynamics of like you the PA to show up they never got paid to show up at willwood because the prize was big enough yeah that he didn't need it and so again I I I that question of why is such a powerful one this first GRS question right so you talk to agents you talk to athletes and you're like why is there an appearance to with a square and it's it's the answer comes well because that's how you get people to show up and I was like but why why why do you need to pay them an appearance feate and eventually you know you ask the athlete that they're like is they're not paying us enough for the purse you ask infrastructure that and and it you EV you have to kind of draw it out but eventually it gets to because the total priz isn't B out and and and he like and I don't know again I I like I just showed up here a year ago I a total Outsider but what's been really fun is that one word is is when used correctly very good at kind of sifting through you know this is the way it's always been to really get to the of what are we trying to solve and why are we doing this way so things like that like I there should never be an appearance Feed close because we continue to push that first sub hire yeah um we we devised uh a unique 10% give back for FR City or 10% of all of our revenues are donated to the community bu now you might ask well how is it possible Angel City has been able to get you know we have the largest for of kid sponsor in history of wom Sports obviously set records Rue part of it starts with that y of that 10% because if you look at look at any major for team yeah think of all the money they invest in convincing fans they are invested in the community why do that later if you know that's the end game when we're a billion dollar franchise why not just start it at the very beginning build it into the values of Team cuz yeah local community sports that has the day sing in obviously you should be invest in the community and what that unlocked what that unlocked was a ton of Vine Brands made the fans and BN je you did the same thing with LA Golf Club 10% of our revenues are going to a course in Ewood I get halfway and then for AIS New York 10% of all the brand out scor 10% of all the dollars from a rers ticketing hot dogs merch all this stuff cooled and then divided among all three to show up and again this is the V1 version of it but we want to align the brand of AOS with first and fam like I said do right by a and if we can prove that and show that our bet is Brands will want to be a part of it fans will want to be a part of it and and what I told everyone is I want them to come away from this event feeling like it was one of the best tracks they ever been AFF fart of and further if they had been able to watch it would have been one of the best sporting events they'd ever attended and that's our promis that running shows up New York right this is a city that is famous for amazing scorting venues amazing scorting events whether you know Nick's playoff game is finally happening again or I guess I'm not really a baseball guy but assume Yankees do a thing or obviously US Open finals we want to bring that energy that's why it was an no-brainer to call it me and be like hey look Rihanna Super Bowl me athl like that's that is what these athletes deserve and and this is what helps tell a story to the world that the Olympics are over but athlos is here and this is these are the exact same women running for big dollars and and you know if we execute as we hope even more down the road and and Alis Tower and and bringing that cultural and squiring on L thing good for context I guess for the people who are coming into this now seeing you enter in the space what was the light bulb moment that you had when it's like I need to get involved in women's sports and investing in it helping it out because obviously now we're seeing tons of people flock to it ership numbers going up in the WNBA I mean you get to sit back like how was early on all this yes and because I tweet so much the receipts are all there exactly basketball 4 years ago after the weight room Scandal when the NCAA these women at just a joke of the weight room and they weren't even allowed check this they weren't even allowed to say March Madness back then yeah I tweeted at the NCAA and offered to buy one of the basketball from it and I was not kidding the reason why and I told him was like you were squandering something that is so obvious and now again favorite question why look at social media follower accounts top college and I tweeted up in three years ago the top 30 college basketball athletes the vast majority were women and follows now haters of my replies would say oh that's because all the best men graduate early doesn't matter you would it up I want to know for college basketball if I get try to run a principal base argument for college basketball do I want toest in the men or women the first place I look is the most democratic expression of attention which For Better or Worse is Instagram and a follower account so I'm making this decision not because I'm a girl dad not because my wife is swinging because I'm a businessman who loves winning and when I see Market inefficiency I call it out and I put dollars to get and so again the receipts are all there the college basketball that Trend was obvious 3 four years ago and what's Wild is someone at the NCAA should have already been fired for sping this because it wasn't just sexism and racism it was it was also just business incompetence that you weren't investing in these women back then because they were driving so much more attention on social forget the media deal forget what some de a room decides what goes on TV the open internet points with their valuable attention this is the thing I'm coming from Tech that's the wild part of buing the sports the athletes are the ultimate competitors the a athletes ultimately play the only real zero Something game you win or you lose in sports and you know at the end of the day all the rest of us we kind of dude ourselves we look at our share price we look at our dollars raised we look got our Revenue we're kind of just bullshitting with our you know how to be win or lose today athletes have to do it but I'd say one of the biggest advantages coming from Tech especially creating Reddit is you have to fight and you all live a version of this you have to fight every day for attention in the open market of ideas you were competing with someone's dating life right you're competing with someone's bordedom you're competing with someone's whatever app they're using on their phone right now to get their attention have to earn it and what's so interesting is in these entrenched Industries you have a historical lineage where it's like no as long as you have the rights to broadcast the thing you kind of like that's where people's attentional happen and the bigest advantage of investing in these previously underinvested in sports whether it's being at soccer um or down track these is you you almost can't help but look at it from first principles because there is such a grow there's such a ground swell of support attention online where you just realize okay if we're not burning the attention of our fans every single day we losing and that's not the default Mo of the folks being traditional Sports because just got landf the system that works really well Distributing your idea and uh and I think that's good cuz that bre the competition which pushes people to get better and uh and so yeah I just saw this buiness Sumer to like I said it started at 19 obviously like Serena is the perfect example of an athlete that defined a sport you know in America tennis is as much a women's sport as a men's sport more Americans watch the US Open final for the women today than the men and that's without even an American playing it'll still show those numbers and why is that well Billy Chen kicked down the door on pay equity and then you had generational Talent you know revolutionized the schort 3s and they're getting paid with still not enough frankly but getting paid very very very well for it and now you look at that list of most successful athletes or assum wealthiest athletes the top women are almost all task players right and that's going to challenge the next 10 years but that was the proof that you can make women's sport as viable as men's right my house um but I Ser will admit she was very skeptical what I disturb of agent City you know it's funny I set aside uh I put 250k in a trust fund for Olia and then a future kids we had so congrats to um and like just on that investment load four years ago they're now multi bues and as a father obviously makes me very proud um those kids are going to be fine anyway but that to me is a bigger part of the why where you have this opportunity that will not come back this this underinvestment the Delta between where women sports is today and where it should be and you could argue I would argue in some sports it'll be superior than men's I I've said this before I think the endell should be more valuable than the MLS 10 15 years you of all his valuations um because Americans love Excellence unfortunately for us American Med and the MLS is not a our wall and women are and K continue to there'll be other sports I think the wfba if we get to parody win but the NBA has such I mean it is an American events in the sport it is one I mean American men have more challenges than ever obviously because of the success the had won more pches are great but the best athletes all still want to get and so that's going to be a cultural dominance that I think I I could see getting to parody but I can't I don't see the same nwsl at T um and then like I said with track we're just starting uh and and it was obvious again from an attention standpoint the women of track Noah and I saw him went B Village yesterday and I was like dude you're pulling so you've got so much of event's track on your back when it comes to the attention that you generate for it he was creating those story lines and what's Wild is it's just such a golf between him and somebody other man no disrespect to the guys what true it's it's and and again I have no I'm not clearly no athlete I'm just thinking about it from the storytelling standpoint there are so many more storytelling opportunities on the L side yeah and again social media rolls everything around me like I just look at follower accounts and you look at engagement look at that and that's where we want to start with that F but uh you know I thankfully no one's no one's been really mad there have been some trolls the internet or like what about the men and I'm like yo come on like is it that bad that the biggest like this record-breaking verse is happening for the women first like that doesn't happen at T in sports uh so let's start here you know I guess like similarly too it's like the only other that negative seen back has just been sort of the the field events right I know yes okay so I've been talking to Tara about this um there are such stars on the field side so Tara is a great example like and I I was crushed watching her in Eugene cuz she messed up those first couple right no but I mean watching the agony on her she's already she's such a show show show woman show Person and she's she's so Dynamic the crowd is energized they're so excited this was dramatic as hell okay what so hold on a second we got to run an event real quick and and now there's a track event happening and like if for from a storytelling standpoint you had all this amazing drama in the long job and and as a fan as a casual I'm like well wait I'm trying to pay attention to her why is there a thing going on here like could you imagine like a 32 count bases low all of a sudden it's like and wait a minute we need to get to uh the bullpit Jill over here throwing some pitches out and it's like wait what like this and and so that's going again I'm not I understand the purpose of that is not Storyteller the purpose of that is to figure out which of a ton of amazing American athletes get go but we get to look at it in a different way from first principles our whole eventually only last a few hours I wanted to fit in that window of a traditional American Sports Fan weing diet and and maybe have a little time at the start at the top of the end for the folks in person but but really happens something that when we know are partner uh on on broadcast on streaming that you get to see something where it's like yeah I got a few hours almost want the F the world it's going to be done and a production quality just like the Olympics with you know dollars on the line that have never been on the line like this before so uh that's how we're on do list now I I like how you brought up sort of like you're looking at this for a business standpoint you're one obviously you're pouring a lot of your own money into this really but it also sounds like you're in it it's like all right first year yeah this is going to take it I'm taking it it but then going forward you're in this room belong this is the best way to describe it and I and I heard this was one of the things I heard talking to these athletes was you know here you Ed that started this I Coke Tri versions before didn't stick around the last thing I wanted to do was come in with a ton of hype and make I certainly wasn't going to make this about any I'm it's all about the athletes on trading um but but set expectation is too high I would rather under promise over deliver um and so it's but we had to Hur our right to even put on this first for that by winning over the best you right world and doing that well do we earn the right to do it again I think so I think so but uh wanted to Pace it out maybe it's a little bit more dramatic too to be a looking the Aly could have a little bit of both the trip out is great uh but uh but I do sincerely feel like this is a thing that's got to be earned and this was it's a similar approach even watching uh Angel City the first things we did were reach out to the supporters groups in La there were already people who were fans toone soccers begging for someone to bring a team to LA and they would come to lafc match this is one of the men Way La with signs saying bring it if sell LA and those were the very first quarters literally that we reached out to to bring them on board to share some Vision with them and start R out this Cadence of like hey what you bought a franchise hey here's what the team is going to be named and and we're running that same Playbook and Kayla to her credit she ran out for City she's go for abs she gol too um she's the she's a star there we see final question I got for you just sort of uh what Serena made of you become track P are you like pulling up your phone being like I got to turn into Watch Fate Kon run this race I I got got to say she's she's been very entertained by all of this uh whether it's been soccer or golf or now track I one of the things that the Track Town folks did for me was just really awesome even though we're I like I would like to have bibs they did give me an ohanyan bib to get to Olympia and for a good two weeks she said she was going to go on track uh she changes what she wants to do when she grows up every two weeks uh right now she wants to be a singer for a while she was like like dual track cas like Varian singer at night track start for two weeks spr I had her watch g s to spring with me um so we got we got about I'd say two weeks wor go track star see uh but now Serena's I mean the Sho puts up with a lot for me uh and I feel like since I have never I don't have an off I don't even have like a downshift and man a few years ago when I was talking I she do this with be first side of dating like I I will never retire I will never stop like I get so much joy with being able to build especially through zero it it does not interest me to own an existing team I I am much more interested about building things from the scratch because you get to move a lot faster uh software is a key component all the things we're building building software uh and it turns out software is useful all kinds of all kinds ofp uh makes life a lot easier in a lot of ways and uh you know it's it's also a nice coincidence September 26th is her birthday oh wow so that'll be a nice uh nice coincidence there atos amazing all right so let the people know working they find all the information take it take it to roale now yes aos.com a l that is the Greek origin of athlete so there's a little foreshadowing like I said I've been talking to Tara I think there is there is a way to incorporate field events I very we always first and foremost have to do right again not just by the athletes but for the Integrity of the sport right this is this will be a fully sanctioned event but this is a real thing with official times folks set World Records there we're going to have some really fun consentes for that um like this will be and it's at Icon yeah um so legendary track New York City could be a fun Thursday night get your weekend started early with the fastest one in the world of n the stallion D nice it's going to be a lot of fun and I'm trying to recapture some of that energy I felt on those rallying Uso phic night matches you know the we want people to bring the energy we want people to have an amazing time and and realize the Olympics are over and we we play but these ladies AR b anyway and they're still here and they deserve the best possible stage and and one of the other advantages and we'll see as we start to announce the brands that we parted with the goal here is keep that bar of exent as high as high as possible it's the nice thing with bag bring it is we don't have to put anybody and say hey we can instead we're Cherry we take the really lines that are great plue is going to be very well positioned among Beast Bas again just to keep elevating you keep bringing attention to it and and halfway casual track F I wanted to write by the hardcore fence by your follows I want yall and and please give me the feedback I I read everything you this is the byproduct of no Reddit I read it all and I have very thig skin read it uh so I want to hear all of it everything we are doing first goes through a filter of just literally asking his athletes what do you think about this and and that is always going to be our North Star and that's our promise which is like total Outsider I don't have any gold medals uh but my dream is to build something that empowers these athletes and and creates opportunity the same way Angel City has for women soccer and you could argue maybe a broader women scorts womit um we want to do that here we're going to have a city's bag team in New York loc yep and who would have thought that like you know you fall in this track account would lead to us covering an EV you should take all the no you should take the credit because that short list was incredibly helpful for me that's Friday too yeah so this again this I I cannot stress this enough like I know the things art you know the things we know really right when it comes to Building Technology when it comes to building Community when it comes to building a lot of s operational excellence okay check know nothing about trap and so I am a I am a sponge for the knowledge for the insights and like I said the first place was talk to the AET and then the second place is spend time in those community centers online because it'll cost me anything right I don't have to get on a plane I can just go online and up there're in those Community hubs so your comment sections like those are the spaces yes and it's it's been a lot of fun so Al bring up thank you and I'm looking forward to to you know being at the event it's going to be a lot of fun thank you great amazing it was great