Live from Memphis: Nick Dunlap Interview + Wyndham Championship Recap

Intro [Music] H Smiley caufman for 61 wow I'm Smiley caufman and this is the Smiley Show welcome to another special edition of the Smiley Show one that we are very excited about first and foremost well yeah this is not a green screen it's not a green screen this is not a this is not we're not we're not wearing like green suits and the all filled in CGI in the back end I mean we're together in the same place which always we enjoy from a show perspective show quality perspective I I think let's see we get the next couple weeks but is this best show background to date of the year uh very well could be very well could be this is you know we're very lucky that we're here on Monday in Memphis at the first FedEx Cup playoff event and if you remember last year in Memphis how hot it was dude it's 74° right now I mean just the absolute perfect some would call it golf weather I would call it the perfect podcast weather because this is absolutely great for us we could have been dying right here out in the heat but this is off to a good start here in Memphis this is an outdoor podcaster dream if it was last year I think we would have had to wear like full khaki outfits Luc Glover um umbrella hats uh maybe a full Canadian tuxedo just to really give you the full sweat effect of the of the outdoors but the only thing we're missing Charlie is just a big plate of barbecue right here o cuz what time is it right now we're recording almost 2:00 you haven't eaten lunch you had some ribs right here very hungry could go for some ribs I also got a hot tip on here from your buddy uh Alex Sullivan oh gosh Jerry snow cones wedding cake Supreme you know about this I don't know about this sounds amazing I did not think Alex would make it on the podcast today so that uh reverse cash that ticket that's uh that's big yeah so you know as mentioned we we're here this is the 18th green at TBC southw we're on site uh this week and the next two weeks in both Denver and Atlanta for the rest of the FedEx Cup playoffs so fired up for that we got a great guest joining us today Nick Dunlap our our third recurring guest on the show so looking forward to chatting with Nick about oh what a wild year it's been his sort of path to you know making it to the FedEx Cup playoffs after winning an event as an amateur um and lots to to end today but the place we got to kind of start is Wyndham Championship recap recapping the last regular season event of the year the Windham championship at Sedgefield uh in in Greensboro and boy what a wild Week start to finish but we had like a Biblical flood sort of scenario happening with that hurricane to start the week uh play delayed until Friday morning 18 Friday 18 Saturday with a few left over and then for some Luke Clanton played 39 holes on Sunday uh insane 39 we're going to unpack so much that but I think where we got to start right is the Ry guys the Ry guys Aaron Rai wins one for the #RaiGuys we finally got it done the r guys got it done technically like we didn't get it done because you know as as most of you know that follow of the show we give oneand done picks every single week we also give three suggestions from Charlie and I so we have a total of eight players that we suggest and as I was going through with my chicken scratch notes and trying to figure out who I want to suggest I knew I wanted to take Billy hor he had a nice week finishing top 10 and I had Aaron Ry penciled in but I had just picked him so many times suggested him so many weeks in a row I felt like you know what I need to find another guy and so I I saw the chicken scratch off of rice if we need to show and check the notes I I can definitely bring that up if there's some haters in the chat that say I didn't actually want to pick Ry but I mean I I have a Time stamped screenshot a text I sent to my buddies where we we kind of make some gambling piix each weet and I said I think I had like two guys that maybe did not play well but Aaron R is my third I said Final Answer guys are going to drive the ball straight it's going to be ball in hand you know great ball Striker and he did not place that bet so Andrew yarro you owe you know owe me some money maybe a nice dinner put my kids to college that would have been the big ticket but I mean for for Ry is a season where he's played phenomenally well especially in the summer been a phenomenal ball Striker you know what that's an understatement it really is somehow still an understatement with how well he's played is I mean just kind of taking stock of of the ways he's improved cuz always been a good ball Striker but really just making some some clutch putts down the stretch I know he's not like the greatest putter on tour but just making putts when he needs to it's been a huge Improvement and now rolling with some momentum into the FedEx Cup playoffs like what are you seeing from him this year that has really kind of taken him to the next level the reason why early in the year that I started to do more Recon on Aaron Ry was because I had an opportunity to watch him at the Sony open this year and I got moved to his group on a Thursday or Friday he was playing with Austin e Ro so two players that have had nice years they were both feeding off each other playing well that day and for whatever reason it was a shot on the second hole and the wind had just kicked up a storm was kind of brewing and Aaron Ry laid back on this second hole and pulled I thought it was probably a full iron hit this uh and really the second hole at Sony you're hitting three iron nine iron into this hole or three-wood wedge and so he's hitting iron off the T and then hitting full iron into the screen which nobody ever is hitting full iron into the screen and he gets this absolute Stripe Right at the hole and I was like man what what am I am I missing something here like that was just absolutely great and he hit it well the rest of the day um and should have had a better week if it didn't putt it well and that's when I started noticing the trend of Aaron Ry which is okay he makes a ton of cuts he tries to get himself in contention but the putter always seems to kind of hold him back so I think as the year went on the big big breakthrough for him was at the rocket mortgage he had just gone and met with John Graham got some work done with his putting and on greens that are po that were bumpy maybe not the best putting surface that guys have for making tons of putts on the Year Aaron Ry goes and just starts hooping and he started making putt after putt at rocking mortgage and then really through the rest of the summer the John Deere was another week he played really well really just any week in the summer you turn on the TV and a I was on the front page of the leaderboard so it wasn't surprising to see him win because it felt like he had played well enough throughout the year to have already won and I thought the best thing that I heard on the broadcast was from Trevor imman he said the ball striking stats when you talk about stroke's game he he named three players he said you know this is not surprised these three guys are Tia green the best players you got Scotty sheffler Xander schafle and Rory macroy he said number four on that list Aaron R wow he is he talking about metrics there or it test for him metric metrics I mean it's it's it's not a you know stats facts straight hasht facts uh the I know we're a year away like we're still waiting for a President's Cup to happen here in about a month and a half but just really doing the long preview C I thinking about that he's a because you just don't know I mean who knows what's going to happen between now and then it seems like obviously guys on the team Rory said as much out loud that he wants John ROM to be there I'm assuming he feels similarly about TL Hatton but you know depending on how that whole thing shakes out and you know how they're going to tabulate world ranking points for the live guys and what picks are going to use he could very easily I mean he could qualify for the thing oh 100% Aaron Ry could easily qualify for the Ryder Cup I think that uh Luke Donald is uh I think you got to give give him you know all the credit where credits due when it comes to picking a team because I thought you know beginning of the year and halfway through the year I thought the Europeans were going to be you know really lacking depth on that team but that team really started started to round and de form uh as we got approached to the Ryder Cup had a bunch of Youth on that team so we'll see who ends up making that roster of how much of that team will stay intact from from the Ryder Cup in Rome but man Aaron Ry just seems like he would be a really nice fit for a day of alternate shot how do you think two gloves iron covers and deliberate pace of play are going to do in Beth pagee think that's going to go over that's going to go overwhelm with that CR I I think you know I I'd spoken to Keegan just briefly just about uh him getting picked and and we were talking just about the logistics of the Ridder cup as far as you know how much beer is being served cuz I was like man are they are they serving liquor out there I was like I think just in the sweets because if they gave liquor to the crowd I think you you you would have an issue so we were already talking about this in advance of how crazy New York crowd's going to be for the Ryder Cup I I I'm sure Keegan's got to be thrilled for the atmosphere he's about to walk into as a captain which is going to be super cool uh second item I have on this list here smiley just says cooch Kuch Khaos chaos wait did you spell chaos with a K too I should have that's a big Miss I'll make that correction like you know we're you're you're having to put a lot of faith and trust in us we're telling you that we we were picking Aaron Ry on on notes you can't see or texts that we send uh but I have cooch chaos here what to make of cuz I actually saw an interview this morning my granddad sent me where coocher was explaining a little bit more of his side of things and so cuz I'm the first inclination I have is like dude the tour bent over backwards to get this thing done on time with a a hurricane tropical storm whatever it was coming in to get the 1818 36 finish and you were the last guy that needed to finish it up so that everyone could get done and move on to Memphis for the guys that were going there and and those guys could leave anyway it didn't really affect the outcome of the tournament but you know your your first inclination is like come on buddy just finished the hole now he said a little bit of it wasn't explained to him that Ry had birdied ahead and he thought grer still had a real legit chance to to go to a playoff or win the tournament he thought they were going to have to come back on Monday anyway um and so you know I don't know if that makes it any better in your opinion but just your reaction to the way that coer decided to finish Sunday and and a little bit on Monday as well well I think the big argument made by a lot of fans and and media was that there wasn't necessarily anything on the line uh from their perspective now I think Matt coocher would offer the opposite of that is that he's 46 years old you know from where he stood going from 12th Place to 22nd Place yeah maybe not the money is not a big issue uh cuz $50,000 would have been the difference or let's say he makes a double then probably closer to $75,000 difference but you know I I I always give the benefit of the doubt to the player whether they feel like they should finish they have the right to if if if they're not if they're told hey we you don't have to play because of of sunlight I think you should always give that to the player I think what's in question now is just the history right I think people just have had issues with things that Matt has done over the years whether it's the caddy in Mexico um is kind of the top of line thing that people think of but you know if you replace coocher with another player I think maybe the conversation's a little different not that Matt coocher isn't a well-liked player because he has been a very well-like player on T for a lot of years and has done a great great work on and off the golf course and I like that uh but I think it just kind of came off a little the wrong way is a little petty of like hey Matt Max Grazer like you you should have uh stopped on the 16th old it's like well no that wasn't an option you know like the tour didn't blow the horn the sun had gone down that point you know he's trying to win his golf tournament on Sunday coocher wasn't in it so he has a different perspective that maybe Max grman did and maybe it was a veteran move of like hey you know what every shot does count and hey let's say it comes down for Matt coocher in the FedEx Cup fall let's say he doesn't make a cut and it comes down to one shot and and he keeps his card for the top 125 cuz he he did make the jump from I think it was 113 to 103 so he made a 10 spot jump so he's got got you know 17 or let's see that was not good math he's got about a 22 spots of comfort that took me way too long this is the I haven't taken math since LSU uh freshman year so didn't take much of it there yeah yeah that's a good point that's a good point but if he comes down to one shot which we've seen a lot of times it has I mean I that's something I I hadn't even thought about until right now is we're so focused on Windam being that 70 hard cut line that you you so wait a second a lot of these guys have to go and play the whole full to finish top 125 and keep their playing status that way so that that's a fair point I mean I think that yeah I mean the Optics aren't good on it either Matt coocher doesn't have the internet or doesn't care about the internet and in either case congrats to him cuz like this thing just it's like a walking meme it's yeah all the past stuff it's just it's if you just take away what you you set up the whole conversation with which was it was a very challenging week for the superintendent the the whole staff at Sedgefield just to get this golf course playable I mean there were holes out there that I sent pictures of the seventh hole looked like the 17th hole at TBC s grass it was an island green and same with the whole before at six it where the whole Fairway was covered with water so to make this golf course playable and actually finishing on Sunday was an incredible feat now the tournament didn't finish on Sunday it finished on Monday cuz the coer but I think it's something that was obviously just made an event that much crazier cuz the chaos that you we talked Max Greyserman comes up short about with Max excuse me with Matt coocher also we we talked just briefly about Max but that was the story of the day which was a four shot we with Max graer well and let's get right into that because it looked like he he HED out was that 13 or 14 for for Eagle to 21 under 13 uh and at that point you're thinking four shot Le I think where I still at 17 at that point and you're thinking this thing's done and I I was you know flying here to Memphis so I was like trying to catch up and get like the the weird thing on the plane where you're not going to pay for the internet but you get the iMessage so I'm getting updates from you and Jack you're like this thing's going getting crazy like how you had a four shot lead um and and so you know when coocher talked a little bit about that where does he does he forp putt you know if it's if it's lighter outside I don't know I mean it it's it's easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback on that now but what we do know is this is that and this is you know twice now where he's handled the feat exceptionally well and clearly he's got the game to win on tour you know and and so I think that you know however it shakes out he made it here this week he's in this field yes and he's got an opportunity to make some noise in the feds Cup playoffs and get himself into Signature Events next year yes uh Max grman uh I thought he handled yesterday with tremendous class you know it was not easy uh to to be in the arena like that and and handle the adversity he could have easily shown a bunch of emotion there's you know he didn't have to do the interview after the round with Amanda balionas he could have said you know what I'm good I'm out of here um and he had every right to say you know what I I don't want to talk to the media after uh something that maybe as uh a former player you can consider to be you know embarrassing that you didn't get the job done you know I I thought he held his high head High um you know tremendously to where he was very poised in his conversation I think he acknowledged the mistake that he made which was on the 14th hole you know bad drives happen and we we don't like cart path on golf courses because for somebody who tends to be a little off with the driver that c path has a magnet for my golf balls and his ball hits the car path goes OB at 14 so that happens right like he he makes one poor swing but where he compounded his errors was he hits it in the left rough nexts and there's a cross buker from the 14th hole so if you did watch it bear with me but if you didn't he had an opportunity to either take on this cross bunker and push it up short of the green to where he had an opportunity to get up and down and make a six but instead he tried to challenge it because he didn't want to make a bigger number the rough was just sinking to the bottom hits it into this bunker and um unfortunately ends up chunking it out chipping up not getting up and down and making an e he acknowledged his mistake I should have wedged it short of the bunker had a good opportunity to get up and down he just Hol out on the previous hole with the wedge and Mak it an eagle so who's to say he wouldn't get up and down for a double bogey so there's two shots there and then quickly on 16 you know you talk about the four P would it have happened if it wouldn't have been you know as late in the day I think that's part you know it's it's tough to read greens late in the day and I I think the mistake was on the lag putt so he hits it he's got a 4050 footer which is not necessarily easy to get it you know in that I mean these guys are really good right but his speed was good all day and he left it above the hole I thought that was a big mistake right like this is that come back to buy some guys this year when you got a one shot lead just like time and place like you you don't need to make that Putt and I know it's it's easy for me to say it's like dude you should have left it short of the hole but you know I thought he got a little too aggressive on the Putt and then hey a 3 and 1 half footer down the hill like we saw saw this in the US Open they're not easy to make not at all well and and here we're going to we're going to peel the curtain back a little bit here and take you behind the scenes and also tease our next segment because we we actually we've already talked to Nick dlab and you made an interesting note there about talking about that decision to take on that cross bunker and the difference in that rough and that's part of the game where from an Amer level I find so fascinating talking about the different composition of courses and we we you know we heard Nick Dunlap talk as caddy you know about the the difference the rough this week compared to last week where that Bermuda when it gets grown up and and and that ball sinks to the bottom it's just here's your gap wedge see how far we can advance it and and so just interesting you know both in decision- making for Max and trying to make something happen understandably but also just on the week to week what we see out here you know from tour venues and and the way you a it looks similar out the T on TV but there's so much difference in the way you're playing some of these shots and trying to strategize to shoot a score and and yeah quad there kind of you know pulls it back to field and then Aaron Ry pulls ahead Bird's the last and and wins the tournament yeah winning winning is not easy it's you know I I think that you know you can easily say you know what well he should have won that golf turnament well you're not guaranteed to do anything with with five six holes left in a golf turnament you still have to execute because oh out of bounds is all over this golf course at Sedgefield as somebody who hit it out of bounds there a couple times and it's not easy to get to that finish the 14 t- shot's not easy 15 t- shot's not easy and 18 is not easy either so you had to put the ball in play and unfortunately didn't do it on uh on the 14th hole and paid the price uh but I think he's going to be a good learning experience for Max I'm I'm hoping that you know we have like a Kyle Stanley type of bounce back if you remember Kyle Stanley was leading at uh Tory Pines in San Diego this is gosh probably 10 to 12 years ago and Spins it back into the water on that 18th o Tory ends up losing that golf tournament next week he goes out and wins in Phoenix so maybe a Max Grazer can uh kind of just keep building off of hey I wasn't really In Contention at 3M I go out and shoot nothing and almost have a chance to be in a playoff at 300 a.m. opposite of here at sedgfield all you're thinking about is like I'm going to win on the PJ tour next thing you know you're not so he's seen both sides of it both good wearing experience probably not something that he wanted to go through on the second half but still for Max I think you got to take and just take the positives from the week that you played you know 67 really good holes yeah and and there there is more to get to you from this tournament and there's also some kind of play of forward story lines we're here sitting at TBC Southwind talking about the FedEx St Jude and and you know the way this week's going to shake out so I want to get to that on the other side of MC Dunlap cuz we got to talk about Luke plinton we got to talk about some names that barely made it in that barely missed and also just taking a look at this whole season we've been tracking signature event and and and what what it's looking like in terms of turnover for next year and the numbers the predicted numbers we're looking very close on that so surprised me let's let's get into all that but we're going to take a break first to to talk to to Nick Dunlap here it's a really fun conversation Nick joins us to talk about everything from recapping his entire year to setting goals for next year maybe a little bam of football in there uh just just a little bit of Bama football but uh yeah we we won't waste any more of your time we're going to get right to that conversation right here on the 18th at TPC South Wind with Nick dlap all right we are back on the Smiley Show and as promised a special guest live here at the 18th green at TPC South Nick Dunlap joins the show one we have Nick Dunlap who is currently 67th in the FedEx Cup he's 42nd in the world and you might be looking at that saying where's the discrepancy there well if you would have earned 500 points for winning the American Express he be about 35th in the FedEx Cup Standing so uh he he where he is you made the playoffs in your first years of pro I mean a pretty incredible timeline uh first thing we got to congratulate you on though is you're now the third recurring guest on the Smiley Show congrats it's you it's Justin Thomas and it's Jordan Speed so number three baby everything else you done you got that as well I appreciate that might be my might be my biggest honor I tell you what Nick I mean I I really am impressed though with you know just the stats that Charlie just told us about you know you being 67th in the FedEx Cup I think is such a great accomplishment right you know starting the year with zero points right after you win the AMX I think it was going to be a heavy climb just to get to this point you have to be very proud of being here at South yeah I mean even after AMX like you said I played poorly at Pebble played poorly at Genesis didn't have a good Florida swing so after I think it's the players is the last no no no it's I didn't play valpar but players the last of Florida swing I played I had like 25 points or something so the goal of mine was to make the playoffs and and obviously now I have to rewrite some of those goals but um but no happy to be here understandably so and Nick I mean you win the MX so all of a sudden you got to make life life decisions you got to decide do I want to go back to college do I want to go uh and accept the PGA Tour membership so I I know that was a difficult decision but kind of an easy one after when it all gets set and done to chase the childhood dream that you know you had yeah we almost saw it last week or last last couple weeks with L but um yeah you know colleges was a big dream of mine in playing for coach and playing at Alabama but my end dream was to play on the PJ tour and be out here play against the best players in the world so as much as it kind of sucked to um to forego that it was a easy but but difficult decision to um to do that but you know happy happy to be here I mean the the constellation prize was the turn pro so it's pretty good Nick I saw you in Pebble right after the AMX win and just you talking about the the Whirlwind week that was and trying to make that decision also this is a complete aside but I saw your name joining the show today and I was like man those sand dabs we had that night are really good like I could really go for some sand dabs now so that's that's has nothing to do with anything we're discussing here but just figured I'd mention but just that that week and that process you're going through um in in this first year as a pro on tour you've obviously played High leverage golf competitive golf for your entire life so a lot of this has to feel you know not entirely unfamiliar what in this year has been the most maybe unexpected adjustment you've made to life as as a PGA tour pro the amount of golf you play um I think SM I think Smiley can attest to that you play so much golf I mean I like it's what August and I'm already like man I'm looking forward to a break I mean it's now it's getting used to a schedule out here you know I'm so used to practicing at home for a week you got to figure out time to practice but not wear yourself out when you got three and four weeks a row on the road and um there's a couple parts of my game I wanted to see get better and one of them is driving the golf ball and one of them is chipping I feel like I'm getting slowly I'm slowly progressing in those categories um I think in amer golf it doesn't you you don't get as penalized hitting it offline and you know you can kind of play from out of the rough and here it's it seems like every week it's like all right if you're out of the rough you're not really going to score that well I mean you can figure out a way to get it around but you're you're not going to contend um so I think that was something that I really needed to get better and how much of that you know you're talking about obviously a lot of on thecore stuff was there a an off- thee course adjustment process where you have to build like a team around you there's all sorts of things you have to think about there Beyond just trying to get the ball in a hole for 4 days of the week yeah um I've had to deal with a couple challenges I didn't think I'd have to deal with but um yeah it's uh I I didn't realize how many different parts there was to professional golf I didn't realize that you like said you have to form this team around you that can handle all your stuff going outside of golf that you know you may not have to spend energy on and and you know the the less amount of time you can do that the more amount of time you can spend doing time what you love to do and that's playing golf so that's been a little you know I've had to play a role in who I select and on what parts they're going to help with so that's been a little little difficult but I always thought you know with this PJ tour University which hopefully we get to talk about that but yeah think I thought I thought I would have some time and you know I'd have two 3 4 months and I'm going to be able to plan this out and have time before I turned professional I didn't think I'd have 4 to8 hours so it was um that part was a little challenging but yeah do you think learning on the fly has been beneficial or do you do you wish you had more time to plan out just like am I ready you know just all the steps that you take you know he talks about the driving the chipping you feel like learning on on the fly on the golf course against the best players in the world has been more helpful for you long term yeah um I think it it's hard to see it sometimes especially I he the margins are so small as you know it's like I feel like there's a lot of weeks you're at two or three under and you're like man like I'm two good swings away from being in 10th and two good swings away from going home so it's or two bad swings away from going home but it's uh yeah it's it's taught me a lot about um not necessarily letting the result dictate how you're feeling um I think even last week like I felt like I played some some good golf I got one bad break and made triple and one sloppy three putt those are my only two overp par holes and I just didn't really make any putts and I ended up missing the cut so it's like that's how it goes yeah it's like the results bad but I didn't feel like I played that poorly so it was um trying to progress that way but yeah I think it's tough in the moment to be like yeah this is you know this is easy but I think two years down the road looking at it I'm going to be in a much better position than where I would have been and staying in college and and trying to get better that way so and as rookies I think preparation is something that you know we we all know that PJ tour players do like it's something that I think is assumed by fans that these everybody does work hard but there's there's certain categories that that guys are in that you're you know guys that are the better players that have been out here a while they get the pramp slots they get the good times but for you all year you've been learning new golf courses not in the proam and you're traveling to new cities you don't know where the Lo room is even today had no idea where the 18 every week is a new experience for you how difficult has that been how excited are you for next year to finally know where you're going yeah yeah very and the golf courses like it's it's funny know a lot of the time it's either Sunday evening or Monday is been my travel it's like all right well if you count up all the Mondays like a lot of these veterans get out here Tuesday it's like if you count up all the days that you're you know using throughout the year like that's a lot of days you could you could spend you know rusting whether it's practicing at home whatever that is and um I remember coming from Reno I was uh we you know we missed all day Monday Monday was washed because the flights Delta was all messed up oh that was a crazy travel deal had to fly out didn't get in until like 6:00 on Tuesday and then I was the second to last Pro AMT time and I was third off in the morning on Thursday so was like which what what would that proam te time have been that it's like a four no it was later than that it was almost 5 it was like 53 we didn't get off the golf course almost like didn't leave until 9:00 and then you're teeing off and then we teed off at like 7:14 or something on Thursday oh man so that was uh but yeah I mean you kind of get thrown into the deep end a little bit and you learn from it and you learn how Hunter is really good at it but I'm not that great at learning courses on the Fly and learning you know whether you look at it once or you don't get to look at it I'm I'm getting a lot better at that I used to um in college you look at it one or two times and you have coaches telling you where to go so it's uh that's been a little bit different and Charlie I saw Nick Dunlap in the airport this was Should Nick start an LLC to save on baggage fees?? leaving The Travelers Championship he was heading to Detroit I was heading home and I look over there and he's got about five bags he's checking and he looks over at me and says hey where you heading I'm like I'm going home he's like all right never mind cuz the lady behind the desk at Delta is about to just basically just like hand me all your credit cards I'm to absolutely take you behind the Woodshed so what was the total in the bag there it was I think it was almost like 300 bucks for I mean you have like two extra bags plus like your overweight bags and yeah it was a mess I I learned a fun new trick on this this week all right so here's what we're going to do we're going to start Nick Dunlap media LLC all right you get these media baggage credentials and they charge you like half of the of the baggage price when you go past the allotment like they were going to charge me125 a bag yeah it's ridiculous I had all these media badges they charged me 75 so I think I think really the play for you is you just get a bunch of we can save some costs here have you heard about hulka oh yeah the the the massive bins so hul is a guy that travels week to week out on tour and you can buy a bin and you could store things that you would already need out on tour so shoes people put their clothes in there like just regular golf clothes and uh I had a b for the years I was out here and just would make travel so much simpler if we're Nick five bags I'm like oh poor guy and the the tough part is like one of my bags is like half of it all my fishing stuff so I got my fishing pole I have all my extra crap in there so it'd be nice if I could just you got no no I don't what's what's the best fishing stop you've had tour stop wise this season you found like any new ones where you haven't gone before I guarantee you this is a good one this is I 3M would be my guess oh I didn't get to fish cuz we got in super late on Tuesday um played uh players to be a good one players was a good one I can't remember where we were it was up in um I fished in Rhode Island it was only a couple weeks ago was it the Travelers maybe it might have been The Travelers run the whole season runs together how manyun how many times have you woken up this year in a hotel and have no idea what yeah no idea where you're at like I'm in where am I yeah it's hard enough to keep the schedule straight as it is but then to do it off of fishing stops makes it yeah it makes it even harder I think it was Travelers Travelers I went and fished the coast for a little bit and that was yeah it was really pretty it was a lot of fun so you kind of noted this a little bit and hidden underneath that table over there is a gasoline take for Smiley's flamethrowers of of of takes on the PGA tour U topic so I'm really excited to get into those but all Thoughts on PGA TOUR U point system right let's just curious your opinions on obviously what what you did what you were leading into you win you have the decision to to go pro off of that so simpler for you but what we're seeing from from Luke Clinton and others you know guys who are very obviously tour caliber Pros I mean Luke's had three top 10 finishes this year two of them top fives and where he currently I think he's I think he's at 13 points currently of the 20 he needs I mean do you think we've been kicking around some ideas do you think the system should be adjusted or you think it's fair how it is um I don't want to I don't want to be too harsh on it it did it did give me the platform to go out and that's the reason I got the MX start was because I pitched that pju and for one I think it's the whole idea of it's unbelievable like it's giving us an easy way to get to the PGA Tour and I wouldn't say easy but it's giving us a way to get to the PJ tour pathway right and whether that's corn fairy whether that's Canada it gives us we don't have to go to Q School which is great um something that yes Q schools not fun not great forunate and hopefully I don't have to go to school um but I do think maybe the points there's a way to because I was talking smile there's going to be a time where these high-end college players don't play College events they're just going to chase the PJ tour STS which I was on that track I I probably would have done the same thing it's a I think some may question it I think it's a lot easier to come out here and make a cut and get a point than it is to go and try to win the the Western am and get two point like it doesn't yeah you know I think or especially if you are a highend player if you can get these spots off sponsored exemptions I think it is the way to go like you know you go and you go and win the US Amal that's three points like I think you know you might could ATT test this I think it's easier to make three cuts out here than it is to win the United States Amer I think you know 100% so I would do the exact same thing now I don't know if there's a way to to elevate that whether like you said you I mean top 10 I think should be more than one extra point um so I think if you you know gave two points like an extra point on top of that I think you know Luke would probably already be there and we're with you on this I mean the system in general we we we support the pga2 you we we think it's a great pathway for college guys to go play well earn their way on but with the way things have changed in the professional golf landscape we just think maybe just a re examination of somebody who's like well maybe we need to look at hey a top five might be worth uh a couple more points uh when you look at it against hey what else are they comparing the points to but we'll get off that subject cuz we don't want to get you in trouble and we don't want to get in trouble either all of us to leave this set not being in trouble but one of the one of the questions I I had cooked up here is that you know when you win the the MX What piece of advice from another player has helped Nick the most now you're in a category where you're playing with other winners you're playing with top T talent and when it happened to me I I embrace the opportunity when I play with these players to try to pick their brains a little bit just about anything whether it's hey this is what what did you do down the stretch did you do X and I'm just curious was there any advice that you picked up on from a certain player this year that stands out that you've been able to implement throughout the year or maybe something that you're going to use um in years to come yeah um it's a really good question um I don't know if anybody's asked me that that was a good question um I would probably say will zures honestly um I played a prac round with him of the players and how I don't think it was necessarily what I asked him I think it was watching him and how he prepared for that tournament it was very structured Scotty's very similar in that he's like I think Teddy helps him a lot with um you know where to chip from they have they have the app or something where you can see stats from years previous and where to you know it might be the percentage of making a birdie may be better from the right R than the left r you're aimed another four yards right or whatever that is so like you feel like they had a plan when they show up in a practice where like where for a rookie showing up you're just like wellway let me wear in the holes you know but these guys are already looking at ho locations pins on Sunday and where to Chip and Putt from yeah so I think you know will had a very good cuz I I hated practice rounds in college I hate them here there it's I just don't like prac rounds but seeing how he prepared and you know there there may be a couple whether it's two or three shots a tournament where it's like there's this left pin it's like man I didn't really get to look over there like is that bad like can I attack this pin I don't know and there's that little uncertainty that maybe I should play a little further right and I I you know that that could be a shotter to a tournament so um just seeing the way he kind of talked about it seeing the way he practiced you know where he puted from to these certain holes it was very uh very eye openening for me Charlie are you familiar with PJ w where he won the MX yes oh absolutely so are you familiar with the 16th hole there that par five with the big bunker left when he talked about a left pin that you weren't sure about it's my rookie year on the 16th hole I I was I never in the practice round went down in that bunker I went down there and I'm hitting my second shot on Sunday I'm like 700 playing great hit it down in the bunker and I get down there and I was like holy I wish I would have gone here in the practice round and and knew this was this bad yeah yeah it literally there is a reason people are hitting it up like in the people like right like 40 yards right up into the hill like it is I do remember if you're as long as you're short like chipping kind of back up the green out of that bunker but if you are whole High it is whole High buddy I mean like big old red X it's no pointy I How much has Nick thought about the Presidents/Ryder Cup think Nick it's fascinating to hear you talk about decision-making process for guys that are amors coming through the college ranks so hey it's it's easier to come out here and try to to make a cut than to try to win western interleg or something like that I think what that speaks to is it's amazing how much young Talent we have right now both currently still playing college or like you just making out on tour and I'm looking ahead to like the President's Cup this this full Ridder cup next year and if I'm Jim furck or I'm Keegan Bradley I got a list and it's got your name on it Davis Thompson Luke Clinton Gordon Sergeant maybe even throw in Michael dororon or Jackson Ken yeah just because you look at what Luke Donald did betting in guys like Lou Oar Nikolai hoard and and Rome and you know obviously lud Vic's kind of on a on a plane of his own but just trying to to create a pipeline of young American talent I'm curious has anyone from those team setups reach reached out to you to kind of stay in contact and and you know whether it's for for this you know President's Cup this ball or Beyond kind of say hey we're trying to kind of get you in this Pipeline and have you on a team in the years to come um I played with actually my first yeah I think it was my first ever US Open I I think I won the US junor and he won um maybe it was the US Senior Open so I got to play with him and met him then that was um that was a lot of fun that was my first eye openening hard golf course I think and and some some things I needed to get better and it was um I talked to him for about an hour after the round and just picked his brain on some things I need needed to get better on um but yeah I played with Keegan at 3 a.m. right after Reno this year I don't know if that was on purpose or coincidental but either way it was it was nice to meet him and and get to talk to him a little bit but um yeah for right now it's completely focused on the playoffs but the Ryder Cup is um it's got a big circle around it that's for sure all that yeah I mean you're you're pretty good in match play I can if you need me to just uh send over to Keegan your match play record I think at one point last year I was doing the math you had won close to about 20 straight matches or something like that I know you and Jeff and I were trying to figure out the math on it it was a lot too a little that's all I know uh so obviously something that you're very good at and it's not coincidental so we're at the playoffs we at TBC Southwind the same week as the US amers going on where you won last year so just I mean we're here last year when the USM you know you got all the dreams in front of you you don't know what it looks like did you ever see that you'd be sitting in this chair right here A year later no I if you would have said going into the USM if you would have said hey you're going to win two College tournaments and you're going to make two cuts in a PJ you're right like yeah that did pretty good like see my game elevating like but no if you had if you had have said fast forward a year and I'd be sitting here like I I don't even know what I would have said but um it is fun like I looking looking back I'm I'm it's going to be fun to watch the usam this year because it's going to change somebody's life just like it did mine and it's uh just the platform they give you like it is the Pinnacle of Amer golf like you get to play in three Majors you're playing in front of ginormous TV cameras big crowds It prepares you for you know not exactly the crowds you're going to see out here but the cameras like it's the exact same thing so it'll be uh it'll be fun to watch it do the same to somebody else last one I've got I'll keep it quick I just can't leave you without asking a question about fifth preseason Alabama football many how many wins how many wins and also have you picked up the sticks yet I know you're very busy but have you played EA college football yet I haven't I haven't typically typically I do travel with my PlayStation um I haven't these past two weeks uh for whatever reason I don't know why but I typically do but I haven't played it yet if you're short on time just leave it at home do not 2 a.m. nights trying to get North Carolina football back up to high heights but I mean what do you think about you know the Crimson Tide this year with the new head coach yeah I I actually I got to spend a little bit of time with him I helped out um uh coach Sav with one of his charity events in Birmingham he was there um and we sat in a hole and hit some shots together and he was it's different than coach sa obviously he's got a different mindset towards it you know coach sav's obviously very old school very disciplined very you know obviously his his one way worked for him for a long long time and I think coach dor is doing a really good job of um how the new game's being played he's adapted really well and obviously his record stands for itself I I think the guys have responded really well to him and I think that's all that matters personally I think if the guys buy into what he's what he's doing then we're going to be pretty good so I think we're going to have a um I think we're playing is it at Arkansas maybe no no it's not play at Wisconsin it's Wisconsin that'll be the test and then obviously George at home will be the yeah early in the season you find out what type of Team you going to have I mean I think a lot of people are predicting you know being right on that cusp but probably being on an SEC Championship team but with the new divisions meaning no divisions and it's just a wide open SEC with Texas and Oklahoma joining we'll see if the bo can get uh to get him there I mean shoot West miles won a national championship at LSU fallowing Nick Saven and I would probably take Caleb dbor less miles so I think he could probably do it at Al as well it does help having a you know I don't know if jaylen's a senior or a junior but it helps having yeah a guy been there that has some um experience under the under the lights so I don't I don't think they're going to be all right we'll see man well best of luck this week at TBC South I I if you need any directions or a road map like where to go this is 18 I saw the range and I'll have to figure everything else out we see we see some fish you know over there you maybe some over there if you're going to bring the pull out I definitely will I have it have it in my car so appreciate you taking the time yeah absolutely thank you guys there you have it Nick Dunlap on a variety of different topics really enjoyed catching up with him and hey look our third recurring guest and we just might have a fourth this week just might have a fourth just might have a fourth this week we let you take take a guess in the comments who the fourth might be this week uh you few more items to recap from Windom kind of played It Forward a little bit one is one that we just discussed with Nick PGA TOUR U Accelerated discussion very hot on this topic Luke Clanton finishes solo fifth would have earned him 110 FedEx cut points this week for this finish um to to date this year and the starts he's been given in in just PJ tour events not not talking about major here but he's finished top 10 three times and two of those have been top fives and he's earned of course a point at each of those events for making the cup and only one additional point for those top 10 finishes uh and we're we're talking here about PGA Tour you accelerated standings once you get to 20 points you earn your tour card Gordon Sergeant has done just that uh Jackson Coan I believe since at 17 points and and uh Luke is is in third with with 13 points but to just expand on that a little bit and some of the ideas we introduced with Nick of ways we could you know just take stock of what's a good system creating Pathways for young players and make it better and we you've suggested you know a bonus point for top five paches i' I've suggested maybe a a multiplier for multiple top 10 finishes where's your head on on this right now so for the pga2 Oru and the criteria that it's kind of laid out I would say that for the players that are playing in college versus the guys like luk Clan who's had success on the tour there's more points awarded for good play in college and I think the argument that Luke Clinton should make and that I'm making is that it's more difficult to earn a top 10 on the PGA tour than it is for some of the criteria that's currently listed on the PJ tour you accelerated program list I would just like that whether it's a top 10 or a top five to equal that of some of winning some of these events in college to where PGA Tour you right now in this program you get one point for a made cut on tour you get one point for a top 10 I would argue that there should be a tops five category that Awards three points or maybe even four because I think that's very difficult to do M and then a top 10 would maybe be closer to two points versus just one I think we've arrived to this place because we have a very good problem on our hands for the pju program and the accelerator program there is a lot a lot a lot of good young Talent getting these opportunities to play in PJ tour events so that that's a great thing and I think it's like let's commend this program for for getting us to where we are now where we're saying hey these guys are so good that we should look at change in this thing right but I do think I completely agree with your point which essentially is what is the the best indicator of whether or not a guy's going to succeed on the PGA tour it's probably playing in PGA Tour events that's that's what I'm saying so if you do it and you top 10 three times we should probably be saying okay you you look very tour ready by the look of it and I think it's you know again great problem to have and I'm sure there have to be discussions Happening by whoever you know administ TR this program right now of like well it's cuz we're tweeting at him you're welcome all you Collegiate out there and like we said with Nick as we T up we support the program we think it's fantastic but as things are changing in this whole landscape we just want you know the Luke Clanton of the world who from my perspective if you go look at how many points he would have earned if he was a PGA Tour member he would have earned our stats Department by the way crushed this this morning Charlie doing some research 400 points is what he would have earned that would put him at right at a 100th on the FedEx Cup uh points list which would be in front of Matt coocher who we talked about a moment ago so I I with that being said and Luke Clinton being technically if he was a PJ tour member enough to have already secured a card for next year that's where the argument goes to all right how close is he to the 20 points necessary and sitting at 13 it feels like that is a little further away than where he should be I agree I also love that like this is the second year running where we've had like the shadow FedEx Cup we're doing like minm Le special temp points last year and now we've got we're doing Nick dlap if he got points for win of the AMX and and you know maybe that's something we'll workshop for year or two with the tour is can Charlie award these players a shadow FedEx Cup it's not the real thing it's just the what would have been thing and one of the arguments to I've seen on on uh on social media is that that why doesn't Amer why why don't amers get FedEx points they're playing they should get him I think it's way different teeing up as an Amer than it is as a pro and we're not advocating that he should be granted FedEx cut points because I think there is an element to hey um you know teeing it up as an Amber there's you know when when you're a pro it's the responsibilities that of of being a pro and what that entails is you know it's a lot more stress well it's and it's just there has to be some sort of dividing line so I understand it as much as we made look at it and say well you know it's it's the same thing as hitting a ball and there's OB Stak and there's the other OB steak and it's just out of bounds like I should be able to play this it's right here it's like the OB Line's got to be somewhere so and Luke Clanton you know if the the decision he has to make whether he wants to stay Pro or uh excuse me stay Amer or turn pro I mean he won't be able to play member guest if he turns pros and I think that's the ultimate decider here in got to be huge motivating factor you know like he shouldn't get FedEx Cup points because that's what he's eligible to play member guests I think that's where you have to draw the comparison game here entirely unrelated Luke but if you're watching or listening and you want to teed up at Hope Valley in about a month I got a spot for you so uh you know there you go I and I also think too he said a couple times he's like I really want to win a National Championship with Florida State and it's similar to like Gordon coming back at Vanderbilt I never thought we were going to see that type of decision and honestly even though Nick turned Pro and I think was the right decision and of course if he validates it with another win in the same calendar year same season I'm sure there's part of him that wonders what it would have been like to play play out the rest of the season in Alabama and see what they could have done you know those are really really cool moments that you just get to have for a brief period of your life so I I get it I I get I understand the motivation there and Luke Clan obviously we're going to keep cheering him on if you haven't listened the episode with Luke Clon go back we've interviewed him a month or so ago right after the John Deere after his big week um but there's one other topic at the Windham Championship that's in my brain which is how did the Windham Championship perform just relative to last year which was a absolute Banger you know for for a minute there right it felt like you know Max graser's got a four shot lead he's going to go and win this golf tournament and there's just not as much drama around the top 70 where last year right Justin Thomas one of the you know the top players on the PJ tour over the last decade is like the 71st guy so the drama was there almost chips in I know that and I guess this year that the story would I guess would be Victor Perez and Davis Riley but not as much drama to me there but I I assume you probably have just an opinion on Davis winning a colonial right well absolutely I mean I think what an interesting Jos of guys where Victor Perez DP World Tour graduate coming off an amazing week at at at a HomeTown or home country tree Olympics rather and just blistering finish on the back nine narrowly misses out on a medal everyone's roooting him on like I'm amazed this guy got on a flight to Greensboro North Carolina and played this week but he was at 71st heading into the week so he he couldn't you know not play this week um so to to to again feel a very different sort of pressure much less you know French people hanging out at seio Country Club to cheer him on uh and to be right on the bubble of making it in this week and then of course having a chance to play his way into Signature Events next year with a good week J opposing that against Davis Riley where this a guy who won an event on tour this year and misses out in the playoffs and that's just that's hard for me to wrap my head around but I think it speaks to you and I were kind of talking off camera before and I think you have some great thoughts here just of how competitive it's gotten and and specific to this event you know we're talking about graser maybe was going to win it going away but then makes it interesting at the end and just looking at that sort of bub competition that that this event's got a great identity going for with the playoff setup 100% And and I think you know with the top 70 guys that made it ailano uh well hold on it says on my app oh I need to I need to update it this upate you official projected that need the why projected it hasn't quite updated yet uh but in years past Windam Championship we're talking about the top 125 guys to make it to the playoffs and so that to me is going from 125 to 70 guys I'll just give you the difference from a point standpoint when we look at the FedEx Cup points comparing those 654 points is top 70 that is a a really nice season you know when I look at uh 654 points for somebody who's played on tour I I would have loved that that's a that's a great season because you get 500 points for winning so that's just saying that you know Davis Riley are 147 points outside of his Colonial win so it just goes to show you that you have to play really well and consistently all year around you can't just go out and win One Time Peter Mady another guy that won at valbar also not making the playoffs yes that's right that's another good point I'm sure there's another player I'm missing there as well but the the number for 125 right now is 282 and that is probably the lowest I've ever seen this number when I uh used to play on tour it used to be you know if you got to 400 you were safe that was the number that you tried to get to so when we talk about 70 now being at around 650 points and I know that Signature Events are giving more points out now and that's changed some things guys are less eligible to win more points in these open events y so the benchmarks and and the the number that you got to get has changed but to your original point the competitive side of the PJ tour I I think it's legit like you got to come up and show up with your lunchbox every single week because you can't you can't have stretches where you play Bad on tour you're not going to be here in Memphis I think that's a great segue too because I think that that discrepancy between 70 and 125 being so large you'd have to attribute that to the way the the schedule set up with Signature Events and kind of the weighted points there so this is something we've been tracking all season long and looking at sort of the the the tour projection on the front of the year was 34 to 38% turnover you know from the guys you know so so effectively 19 guys playing their way into Signature Events and and the following year 19 guys playing their way out right and then that would be 38% and that is currently where we sit heading into the last event that will determine signature event qualification for next season and I think we both found that a little bit surprising I I had you convinced that there wasn't 2025 Signature Event qualification gonna be anybody that changes in the top 50 because I was just so blown away at the at the uh points distribution list comparing a signature event and a open event that and even for let's go past that let's go to the the ones that are the 300 Point weeks the the opposite field events you you basically like if you go up and shoot finished 30th that week it's you might as well just get a u a lunch box on your way out cuz you w't getting any points yeah but I it surprised me and I I think that uh I I would have expected that there would have been a much tighter in that top 50 and I I the only thing I can think of of the reason why is that Scotty shord just gobbled up all the points that that makes a ton of sense to me I think all the guys are just like hey Scotty you just keep winning because it's keeping it's keeping the points in one place and not as much of that top 50 the guy that are playing in all these events cuz let's remember the events that Scotty all won he won all these Signature Events you know the he's taking away the 750 points every week so when you had if you would have had a mixed bag of guys winning Signature Events this year I think you would have seen a different result in that top well I know we're not we're top 70 right now and this is a a FedEx Cup playoff event here at Memphis that 2,000 points goes to the winner so you're going to see a big mix up here this week but uh as we maybe kind of just look ahead to 2025 that I expect it's got to be a little tighter next year like maybe closer to 14 15 guys I still feel the advantage of Signature Events is there I I think there could be cuz I guess the place my head goes is you know what was unique about this year or or where do these guys come from right and they actually came from some pretty unique places like the the the DP World Tour graduate class had a great great year and and I think that's awesome that's like you if you're trying to Matthew P Matthew pavon the the big one didn't do so well in uh Paris even though there was that was your was your guy but uh but I mean I think you know that that was that's got to be success story of you know you're if you're trying to create you're saying hey we're we're limiting access to these events but we're going to create Pathways for other groups of players to play their way in that check that box a lot of young guys having success you know even if it's you know dlap when he's an AM and then you know of course qualifying for Signature Events and making his way in that way and then you know right now obviously needs a lot this week to to get top 50 next year but you know and then you kind of mentioned Scotty gobbling up a lot of the points as well so next the Dynamics of next season could be different we could have different you know I'm not sure how strong the DP World Tour graduates are going to be or what other categories we're going to see guys winning out of that aren't from that signature signature uh group um but i' I'd say in terms of P piloting a program for the first time given the skepticism we had about this heading in you got to kind of look at where it's at now and say that's that's a success that's kind of where we want it to be and when I think about this too you know guys that were in the top 50 last year had an opportunity to plan their whole season around the signature events y now let's look at other players like Davis Thompson or Stephen joerger players who were not inside the top 50 heading into the year you know they're able to put a a bit of an emphasis on every open event is an opportunity to get themselves inside the top 50 for the next year and say maybe these guys were were you know they had more to play for at these open events and and more opportunities to go out and and try to win maybe for Less points but you look at guys at Signature Events who maybe didn't have good years and weren't playing as well they're playing against better competition and so the they the opportunities where they're playing against lesser competition they're they're only doing it half of the amount of the time as maybe a Davis Thompson um or a Steph jger who's playing against the we I would say maybe the weaker fields that aren't the Signature Events but you know that's why they that was proposed at the Signature Events you still got to go play well because if you don't play as well it puts in more of a uh you know an emphasis for you to go out these open events and have to go out and play well yeah I mean and look at or how about like guys like Billy horel yeah that was having a great year only played one signature event one signature event and I think and it sets up too for some interesting story lines next year of I think that's that's my biggest question mark going forward is how are we going to continue to use the exemptions because if we're looking at the numbers and the stats and it's telling us the turnover is where we wanted to be at a number we're all comfortable with cuz I don't think anyone's going to argue it needs to be more than 38% you know I I think at that point what's the kind of the purpose of the event anyway but I think there was some sort of questions around you know who the exemptions were going to and for what reason and I think you and I would both like to see you know a little more menu Lee next year you know and that's our guy uh but you know Keith Mitchell and guys like that and just you know or maybe some younger guys as well just a a mix of guys give them some chances to play their way in you know play their way into a swing five category or a next 10 category or whatever it is um but but I'd say overall like you know that's a good first year for the signature event program the sponsors invites didn't bother me at all this year I understand they went to uh to players like web simps I think he got one in just about everyone like next year Ricky's going to get an exemption into just about everyone and and he he draws a crowd sure he draws the crowd and he's been great to a lot of these events and they want him back so why wouldn't you want him there and I think that uh that sponsors invites are get so debated by people and and there's four of them right like maybe there should be more that's a debatable topic but he they can do whatever the heck they want and it's been a little political at times the Pebble Beach one I thought was a little political as it was very policy board You Know maveri M Peter Mady being two pcks they were like wait hold on Peter monat got picked over who right that was like that that was one where I can understand the debate but um yeah well and I think and some of those guys you know you got to casat in on those Adam Scott I believe inside the signature event list right now uh you know making the most of those making those sponsor exemptions so a big week that's why this is a big TPC Southwind course discussion week this is big big week and thrilled to see how it plays out and you know what do we have I know you haven't had a chance to fully walk the course yet I'd say give me your brief course notes and then you're going to do some walking the next two days and we're really going to dig into it here's what I'd love for you to share that I thought was interesting listening to you and Nick talk about was the most crucial t- shots on this course like like the the moments where a guys's going to have to stand up on a te and and really make it pull a shot off and make it happen you know so you can kind of win this event or or get yourself a contention to make it next week past that that top 50 line you know TBC South wins a golf course that uh it's typically stood the test of time with with the growth of the technology boom in the game of golf you know when we talk about oh we need to keep lengthening golf courses um to make it challenging for pros well this golf course is really do hasn't changed anything really like they haven't lengthen in a ton what they have done though it's it's a strategical positional type of golf course where you got to put the ball in the Fairway because the rough is a flyers Paradise meaning it's hard to get it's hard to get spin on the golf ball coming out of the rough and the greens are firm they tuck the pins so when you have Bermuda rough and you have firm greens that keeps the scoring uh manageable uh that's kind of the the two main things when it comes to uh you know keeping these guys challenge right is uh is making them hit the Fairway and then firm green so you got that out here uh you can obviously take it deep out here if you're hitting Fairways but they are narrow um you've seen a lot of players that that have played well here are are guys that just are able to find Fairways so um as I go and check out this golf course this week I think that'll be kind of the consensus of for what I'll try to figure out in my research is are the fairways firm Are they soft are the balls rolling out in the fairways because it could if you know if the fairways are soft it brings out a lot more guys right but if they're firm now you're going to you have to really be able to manage your ball out here well Smiley starting to get a little warm starting to get a little steamy feeling some raindrops out here uh I walked 11 minutes from a holiday and express to a Starbucks this morning for a wrap that I ate at 7:30 a.m. and I'm absolutely Running on Fumes right now somebody feed me right now so some barbecue right here give me some barbecue give me a snow cone I will eat anything you put in front of me right now I might eat these plants behind you but what what the next time we we'll be talking you know to to the audience people we're going to be indoors in in the clubhouse here uh TBC South Wind I've got a little sneak peek the location it's going to be a really really cool setup uh so looking forward to that on Wednesday night that that that episode will drop with another special guest potentially recurring guest um but until then smiley what you what do you want to leave the good people with as we head out ooh man gosh I uh I need to come more prepared for these cuz I uh I always give you a final thoughts too I don't feel like I can close the episode without it uh what did I do this weekend uh I played I played golf we might play golf this week yeah we might play golf this week we'll see um I am debating on whether I should keep interlock or go back to overlap grip so that's big topic conversation uh when it comes to my golf brain okay so we'll keep I'll keep you posted on that but other than that pretty chill week uh good two weeks at home I'm pumped about being here uh this is going to be great 70 dudes battling for 50 spots in Denver uh but I'm also excited for you know we got a lot of great shows coming up yeah thrilled to be on site this week and the next two as well so hope you enjoyed today's episode and we'll be back here on Wednesday not here in the larger sense but in a different location here at TPC Southwind for more preview of the FedEx St Jude Championship we appreciate you watching and listening and we will talk to you then you know I listen to this podcast Like and Subscribe it's really cool all of our fans and subscribers but make sure you like And subscribe it's cool to see what you guys are doing I know golf fans appreciate it but we we do too so please keep it up for all the good people YouTube like And subscribe you guys have some good takes so I'm happy to come on and and shoot the