Just talking, with Chris Williams

welcome back to another edition of just talking with Joe berdick I'm really excited to introduce my next guest he's an actor a comedian a magician a foodie a world traveler and we all know who this guy is Chris Williams welcome to my little podcast thanks for coming on with me how's it going what's going on Joe so everybody trying to coord we've been trying to coordinate this for a while so I'm glad that we finally figured it out and it's we're we're good to go oh man I tell you what uh once I started this little podcast thing I tried to figure out all the people with the cool stories or people that I want to reach out to to you know see if they say yes and you were first on my list man and when I reached out to you one of the things I love about you Chris I'm going to give a little love before we even start talking your Instagram is so entertaining and you are so engaging I don't know I'm assuming it's not just with me but you respond to things you I see you looking at things and I love that so when you know I love dodgeball for anybody watching this you've seen him in DodgeBall um but I had to reach out to you and you just been so cool and thank you again for doing this of course Joe of course I'm looking forward to it man yeah so let's get right into it man I I know you're from New York yeah uh what was Young Chris like before you got into business what was the CR well I grew up in Westchester New York which is about 45 minutes outside the city and uh outside New York city so it's not Upstate I have an issue with people saying it's Upstate New York if I can get to Times Square in 45 five minutes Buffalo is Upstate Syracuse is Upstate I'm anyway my little beef yeah but it is up anything north of the the Bronx is Upstate considered so yeah I grew up grew up there spent my uh my youth there and with my mom and my sister and my dad and they were both music teachers and we were required to take musical instruments all the way through high school I played the OBO and the saxophone I was a boy scout I was rebellious so I did not get my Eagle Scout I got up to life Scout and I said you know what and I have my project Eagle Scout project I was like you know what no I don't want to get my Eagles my dad said I'm gonna regret it for the rest of my life well I can't say that I'm an eagle scout but uh and um yeah I did uh I did my first play I did I was in uh when I knew I liked acting was uh in Nursery School when I played a mop that got married to a raggedy and doll and uh I was like oh you can get women like oh all right yeah I'll do this you know uh so that was on my first play and that did plays all growing up and then uh I went to Georgetown in DC for college I was a psych major and a cheerleader for the uh football and basketball teams uh because I was gonna be yelling and screaming anyway at team so I might as well you know put a woman on my hand while I'm doing it uh and uh and then I came out to came out to LA right after I graduated and I was I've been here ever since I've been here temporarily for 35 years so temporarily yeah any decade I'll move back to New York or move someplace else so um yeah I've been here ever since and then I took about five six five six years before I started professionally acting um because you know all my friends growing up uh who are you know from College they went to law school Biz school or um and I was going to go to law school I was my mom wanted me to be a lawyer so I was going to go to law school and I applied and I was like well let me just defer a year and and uh I just stayed out here my sister was out here at the time too my sister's Vanessa and she was out here at the time so I got to stay with her for a little bit and then I made my own way here and I was 25 when I started started professionally acting so so I did a play and uh and a lot of people who were working in the play in the play were professional and they said um are you gonna do this or not I'm like well I better if I'm gonna do it I better get to it because they didn't want to be poor because actors are poor basically you know you you start out you know and there's no linear path to to success and acting uh and any kind of show bids just because like if you want to be a lawyer you go to college law school you take the bar you pass you're you're a lawyer doctor you know med school as an actor you can come in from any kind of different angle you can and there's no guarantee that you're going to be whatever it is and a lot of is luck a lot of it is uh right place right time and it's not who you know it's if who you know knows you so yeah I started acting when I was about 25 and uh it's been a long interesting career so you you've had a really long career your uh your resume is uh I mean we've all seen your stuff so uh that's I've had a lot of like small things people like oh you were in that I've been in a lot of lot of shows a lot of TV shows and and some uh I'm known for I would say first uh crazy ass killer from from Kirby enthusiasm that's what I'm recognized for the most I would say second uh dodgeball you know I was in DodgeBall uh and that was we just had our 20th anniversary of dodgeball and then um black and Mexican people Friday After Next I get a lot of Friday After Next occasionally I'll get something else but those are the top I would say the top three that I get recognized for the most well I tell you what the the top two are my all-time favorite man I mean we'll talk about that in a little bit especially crazy guys but uh uh Vanessa for all right so anybody watching this that doesn't realize by now your sister Vanessa won Miss America yeah so so what was that like for the family you you know you have bulk up to start you know beating up guys or that's what I said I said well well when she when she won first of all I knew she was gonna win because she's Uber talented but there's always you know sibling rivalry you know going on growing up and like she was uh Middle School president so I became Middle School president and then she was in the theater and then I was in the theater and she was four years ahead of me so it was just enough to leave a a a blazed trail that I was trying to step into and then she went Miss America and I'm like what I would I have to lift weights now like now what do I what do I have to do miss so uh and uh yeah so it was uh it was a a big time for the whole family and um I was a junior in in high school when everything went down so it was hard for me uh my formative years you know because you're if I was a I was a you know teenager small pimply faed teenager and you know back then we didn't have cell phones we had one phone so every single phone call was from my sister or you know I didn't get any any phone any phone calls because you know on a regular phone it was either busy or you know um and yeah so it was it was tough tough growing up it was tough growing up she cast a very large Shadow but I try to you know fight my way get my own little Spotlight here and there yeah I think you succeeded that's pretty awesome though um so what was Georgetown like now as a kid you know I watched a lot of college basketball and I love Patrick euwing so that was that was really he's probably the only Hoya that I could actually name but uh but I used to love watching college basketball Al Iverson dude Al Alan Iverson there you go that's right I forgot I just always remember uh Patrick euwing how he always wore those t-shirts under his shirt and I thought right that's a cool look I like that exactly well I was gonna I wanted to be a sports broadcaster believe it or not that was what I wanted to ESPN sports broadcasting because I'm obsessed with sports I love sports and uh I got into Syracuse University which is New House communications school is one of the tops in the country but my sister was went to Syracuse and you know I said you know I can't do another four years of being my sister's brother at at uh Syracuse so I did a whole another I did a 180 and went to um went to Georgetown which was a good liberal art school it was in Washington DC which was a great place to go to school there's four other you know American George Washington Catholic and and Howard were all there so it's a great place to go to school still only you know five hour drive from from home and uh and it wasn't cold there's not not a lot of snow because Syracuse had some had some snow so I loved it it was a g a liberal art school and I I didn't uh know exactly what I what I would do but if I got a basic education my parents are both Educators with their masters and and um so they they made sure that uh we went to school we went to school and and um yeah show Georgetown and and it was a really nice experience because it it gave me a a breadth of knowledge so to speak uh because you were required to take like a a year of uh Theology and a year of philosophy and um uh you had have have a language as a requirement so there was a lot of um nice liberal arts touches to the university in the curriculum and I I was a Psychology major I mean I I love psychology and I love you you know trying to figure out why I would want to be an actor so um uh yeah and then I I was lucky my Jun fortunate on my junior year uh they had a great program um and I got to study abroad in Florence Italy and that's where that's where I fell in love with Italy and Florence and I'm obsessed I'm obsessed with Italy if you can tell by my Instagram I can yeah I am obsessed with with Italy and I was there for two months last year and two two weeks to Spring and I'm planning on going there uh in September October to figure out what area I'd like to live in because I'm trying to make a transition to move to Italy wow now I'm assuming you've been to tur Turan have I have not been to Turan not the Shroud the Shroud no I've have not been there yet this Italy is a big big place I just I just got to this last uh fall I got finally got to see Pula like a lot of P which is on the the heel of the boot and um uh I've been to you know KO and Venice couple multiple times and and Milano and uh uh I have yet to do and Naples and Sardinia I was in Sardinia for seven weeks and that is a magical magical place it is a magical place Sardinia and I will have a a place there at one point in my life because it's the island Italian people are they are they are wonderful wonderful people so and they consider themselves Italian but they're it's it's an island they consider themselves their own their own type of uh own type of Italian and I have never been so embraced a friend of mine is from there and we had a strike the actor strike uh last year for about six months right so while I'm not doing anything she's like I'm going back to see for my mom's um birthday you should come back you she because I always talk about Italy with her and she was like oh but you don't know Sardinia I was like you know okay you know she's like no you need to see Sardinia so I was like great so I flew back we flew back and she was there for a week or a week week and a half and then set me up with I got an apartment I got introduced to her family to her friends and I spent the next seven weeks in this little town of 15,000 people called Tempo Palani and uh it was it's a small it's a it's a hill Mountain Town Mountain City um and the people there were just so welcoming and you know news spreads fast after a while because I'm walking you don't see many black Americans walking around you know this small Italian town and uh so like I would go to the restaurant one of the fancy restaurants there only like one or two and the made go goes oh you're the American I heard about you I'm like oh okay yeah well yeah that's me and I was doing my own uh if you seen The Equalizer The Equalizer four I think when he goes to a small Italian town and he's eating he's eating eating his croissant and uh and cappuccino I was like I'm doing I'm doing the real real equ this is this is me but the food Joe the food the the water just drinking the water they had some of the purest water and Fountain a fountain in the park that people fill up their jugs and people fill the water is so delicious the Mountain Water it is so unbelievably good that no one has B bottled water it's which also makes the food delicious which makes the vegetables organic and you know Italy has banned any kind of man-made you know veget products or any manmade food um and it is just it is the food is UN unbelievable a friend of mine now this is how wonderful Sardinian people are my friend's friend um we went to dinner the night before she left and he and his family and he goes he speaks nothing but Italian now my Italian when I studied there was okay like I could understand a little bit that was years ago and I've been back and I and I try to learn the language most possible but one of the reasons why I really wanted to go for at least a month and a half two months is to get immersed to see what it's like to actually live in Italy and to practice my my Italian you know to sink or swim because no one in that little town really speaks English I mean everyone speaks Italian so right so I have my dual lingo that you know was my I would get up in the morning I would you know practice for 45 minutes to an hour my do lingo and then I go have my cappuccino and croissant for $4 dollar $4 for cappuccino and croissant I mean you can't delicious food and then I would go and and explore the city or or um uh you know hiking the hiking there is wonderful so uh he invited me he said I want you to come to my my farm tomorrow and I was like okay I have nothing to do B basically he doesn't speak any English so he he picks me up a 10 I go to his farm he makes a corn liquor which is no one makes Acorn Li but he has Distillery has a farm and and um he wanted to show me and then he showed me his farm and he goes yeah my father while I grease up the pig he had a he had a little pig there that you know he put oil on and and salt made the fire put it on the on the on the in the the the rotisserie and he goes my father while I'm making the food my father for lunch my father is going to take you to the Garden I was like to the farm I was like okay well father's 83 years old and got energy like this he's like oh come on doesn't care if I understand him or not really just assumes that I know Italian but talking about this and this the particular and he was this man was in such great shape he's 83 years old and walking come on this he's like the reason why I'm in such great shape is I you know I'm out here three hours a day you know working the you know working my farm and this that and the other and he goes these are the olive trees and he goes I like to put them in a circle so I can and he's jumping up and grabbing you know the straight the dead branches and I'm like oh he's exercising and he doesn't it's not exercise and that's why he's in such great shape because he's walking and jumping and and and I was like oh my and because Sardinia has a blue Zone which is you know the you know where people lived until uh c c Ian people are 100 years old there's so many of them um and I was like oh I I I get why older people they're always walking with each other there's a really sense sense of family and he goes here I'm going to show you he said we have two Wells once again the water he goes look at these Tomatoes I got 23 different types of tomatoes these are good for S soups these are good for for pasta these are good for salads he hands me a a tomato like the size of my hand it was unbelievable and uh he's like it's just so loving and so open drops him back after about an hour drops me back off to his uh his son he goes okay bye never saw him again and then his friend his son this guy remember I just met them the night I just met him the night before I don't know him from anyone but he knows my friend and and as as long as you know my friend you're my you're my my people too we go to this beautiful dinner he invites all his mind you this is a Tuesday afternoon just like today Tuesday afternoon around one o'clock he has six of his friends come over right they all you know because they eat what they do in Italy is they eat in the um a small breakfast in the morning they work a little bit and then they get a uh have a huge meal he has the pig is roasted beautifully delicious he puts a bowl of tomatoes with olive oil and salt which is one of the best things I've ever tasted all his friends bring their own wine that they made their own sausage their own cheeses it was a feast for like three hours they're talking Italian I'm there they're like here drink more more I'm like I can't handle this is It's to I'm like it's unbelievable and then one of his friends comes up to me and he goes now my as I said I just met the man and now his friend goes you have a coin and I give him a coin and he's like I like what's this for and he goes and he hands me this this little pouch and I open it up and it's a knife with a a bone of a of a a horn of a sheep horn switchblade a cell Pata and I'm like what is this for he goes now you're a true Sardinian sardinians give this to your family to protect your family I can't give it to you you have to pay for it but that's how I mean how open and loving and wonderful the Sardinian people were to me and it and you don't really I don't think you find that much in the states anymore you know because we're polarized in a in a lot of areas and people are very afraid of who is this strange person or you know I don't trust no one trusts anybody here I don't think and there's a there there's lost that sense of family and Community a little bit for bringing someone in you don't they did not know me from Adam yet embraced me with food drink and love and just companionship and that's my that's my Italian Rand of why you should be a a a um a tour guide or not or uh working for Italy getting people there you know I always say too I wish people when you go on vacation it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from everybody's in a good mood right you'll walk up to somebody with a big smile SM on your face hey how you doing where you from you say that now to somebody on the streets they look at you like you want to kill them or they they look away right yeah it's a crazy time we're living in right now and I've been to a lot of countries because of the Navy nowhere near nowhere near Italy but I'll tell you what you're making me want to go you I'm telling you Joe come come visit me I'll be there h i you know what I saw that movie you ever seen the uh The Italian Job oh yeah yeah that made me want to go to Italy just that alone but you're but what you're saying I want to look this family up and see if they I'm sure they'd invite me in for the the same way you know me you're you're good to go I'm gonna tell I know Chris Williams if you like Italian food you haven't had Italian food until you've been in Italy now I make it seem like like this if I had to describe an orgasm to you and you've never had an orgasm you'd be like okay it feels like you get warm and like being on a roller coaster that feeling and this that and the other your body and you're like okay yeah I know that feeling I know how that feels and then you have an orgasm you're like oh okay now now I know the same thing with Italian food you're like I've never had a tomato a tomato that I was like this is the greatest thing I've a bowl full of tomatoes was one of the best meals I've ever had and I'm like oh that's what a tomato is supposed to taste like organic fresh unbelievable man see I think I think I love Italian food but I've never had Italian food you know just like I love Chinese food but I never had Chinese food until I went to Hong Kong and I'm like oh this is Chinese food I love I love Chinese food exactly exact I'd love to go to uh I'd love to go to Italy yeah it's amazing man it's amazing in the architecture and the history I I I love especially ancient architecture like that love it yeah it's just it's just a beautiful beautiful place inside inside and out like the people as well as the the surroundings it's it's incredible I can't well I watch your your I watch everything you post on uh Instagram and the funny stuff is hilarious but your your trip to Italy man you're only put you're putting stuff on there that I guarantee you're making everybody want to visit Italy yeah so that's pretty and I keep saying to myself I got to put I have all these videos and I want to put together something it's been seven eight months I still haven't put it together because there's so so much so I miss it I miss it I'm going back soon so what are you working on now I heard a rumor I heard a rumor online you can uh tell me if this is true or not dodgeball to hey you can say that rumor as much as you want I I wish it was true I I've not heard anything so far there's been talk about it they talk they originally had a um a Dodgeball 2 script going around a guy from Silicon Valley who was I I was in Silicon Valley as well and one of the writers wrote a draft for Dodgeball 2 and submitted it and at one point they said uh this is like 12 years ago they said we're making it again it'll probably be another another year and it and it never happened and then Stuart cornfield who one of The Producers he passed away and they made Zoolander to instead which I don't understand but um yeah you know and everybody who's been in that movie has had a very successful career I mean it was uh it's just pack full of and to try to pull everybody back together it'll be interesting so hopefully we'll see we'll see well was it as fun to I'm sorry I'd love to be in it again oh bet was it as fun to make as it is to watch because I laugh my ass off every time I watch it yeah well the funny thing about about how I got dodgeball is because um after crazy ass killer a aired the casting directors had me do a reading for a new movie so a lot of times I'll do a a a reading of a script with actors and with the producers and some of the actors and they haven't cast them yet so they called me in from for for this reading of dodgeball uh and it Vince vaugh was there and Justin long was there and um and of course Ben and then like uh uh Jeremy Piven was there he read one of the roles um a whole bunch of other actors that were that you know were just reading and I read the role of Dwight and man rosson Thurber who did Terry light Terry Tate office linebacker if you've ever seen that on YouTube he did these commercials with this office linebacker that said you know come on Lor you know Phil up the coffee cup uh Lori and he tackled them it's really good look it up on YouTube Terry T office line linebacker so he wrote These this script called dodgeball and it was such an amazing script like subtly funny I like wacky silly but smart you know there there's you can tell there's there's a smartness to it there's a um an Acuity that that's like really you can be hitting getting hit in the balls with with a a red ball is hysterical but when there's small things like you know when he lifts up the case and there's only you know usually remember in the movies you'd always have the all the money in the briefcase but there's only one little one little thing um just small things were hysterical so we did this reading and then they started auditioning people and they said oh you come in for the addition for can you read Dwight with um these other actors for the the the one who falls in love the Joel Joel Moore the nerd guy who falls in love with stanovich Missy pile Missy pile what a crazy uh the way they made her up too no she's a beautiful woman too so so they had me come in and read opposite you know that character so I was the one in the auditions reading and it was rain Wilson came in for that role Jason Seagle came in for that role like all these people and I was reading opposite them for doing this thing so I'm like do do I have the do I have the audition I mean do I have the roller so I had no idea because I kept auditioning and they said well Chris can you try to make it more urban or this and I was like yeah I mean I can do whatever and you know so I did it and then we had a great um oh Allan Rook uh you know from uh Ferris buer uh you know the uh and from session for Cameron right right yeah he read for the um Steven root character and uh Alan tudk who was amazing as Steve the pirate so we're all sitting around and taking a a picture you know what what a cast picture would look like even before they were cast and no he didn't have any lines in the whole in the whole thing so we're all having like a a group audition and he just goes AR like you agree I was like oh God that's perfect like he's perfect he's he's amazing and then uh when Joel Moore went in for because I was reading even in the big testing for the auditions I was reading opposite and Joel went in Jason went in I work with Jason I work with other people and they were all fantastic but when Joel went in I Ben was like so what do you think I was like Joel's the man that that goes to show you that even though you are you can be a great actor you can be hysterical you can be everything when you when the guy walks in and he's that role it doesn't matter how good you do or how you know perfect you would be for it that's the dude so Joel killed it and uh at one point I was like I guess you know they said oh by the way he wrote me a he gave me a book Ross and he said you know you're welcome to the show I was like oh thank goodness so so I kind of got in a back door to to get to get the role and we we filmed for three months we had a dodgeball um training camp where we played dodgeball learn how to play dodgeball again and and every everybody's really competitive Joel's competitive you know everyone's really competitive so we got our work out workout and bruises and soar and it was but it was so much fun I'm like I'm getting paid to play dodgeball it was so Kidd and we really uh Coes as as a group um because you really had to you know spending all that time doing that and and Ben's wife Christine Christine Taylor was in it she's a gem and and on set we had such a amazing time just hanging out and and uh uh Vince came up with this thing called out of respect like out of respect so and so could you do this out of respect so that was our little um our little phrase and uh and we also got to improv a lot too which was fun you know so you do the thing and then add whatever you wanted to like Boop dead my cousin Ray Ray Boop dead that that was an improv by by me when he comes to um when Justin's character came and so was just amazing and then we got to spend a week two weeks in Vegas oh nice shooting shooting in Vegas and that was you know it's it's so great being on on on on location you know being away from home working and being and in Vegas Vince is the king of Vegas he was the king and he would be like oh we'd sit at a a table and uh you know at a restaurant and he's like let's just order everything order everything he's said we'll have everything we had so much and we were and you know all gratus because they just want piging out and it was just amazing and then my my fun story is is we had to work the next morning at like8 in the morning and we all went to a strip club and it was like and this is you know 2003 right so we're in the strip club and I'm like I you I don't spend a lot I don't spend money in strip clothes I don't have money to be wasting on whatever so we're in the bathroom and I'm like I said uh Vince I'm gonna I'm gonna go um I'm go go home because you know we gota work in the morning he's like what are you talking about I was like we got we got work in the morning he's like and I like I don't have any more he gives me $400 he goes you go out there and you make me proud and I'm like Vince I can't he's like get get out there and I was like okay man A Generous dude a really a gem of a guy Stephen it was just it's just amazing amazing time so much fun to be part of that I'm you know iconic you guys I laugh every time I watch it I laugh my ass off yeah he's a great actor Ben Stiller you know everything he does is ridiculous and funny you know all you guys nailed it soas Jason baitman is yeah was I mean there's so many people who are in it that you're like oh I forgot he was in it yeah it was Jason baitman is so versatile I mean that he played like I don't know a doofus and then you see him in Ozark and he's a polar opposite so another one yeah it was it was a fun time it was a fun time so so crazy eyes I love I love kerer enthusiasm I love it you know once I it got good in season six that's when you know when uh when he when he adopted the black f family you know that and JB smooth when he got on there but crazy eyes that episode and I watched it again yesterday uh man that cracks me up so tell me how you got H how a a kid from Westchester New York became crazy eyes because that's a that's a funny story it was season season 3 episode 8 and I would not have normally now if they had that role now I wouldn't even be able to audition for it because they would bring in a rapper they would bring in stun cast you know with a real rapper so I did a sketch comedy show one of my biggest breaks was um in 2000 I did a sketch comedy show called hype with Frank cendo do you know Frank cendo he does the yeah Frank was in it I love frank a whole bunch of other people were it was a sketch comedy show and uh uh I uh I used to do I got to do a lot of characters a lot of my stuff my standup and stuff was doing characters and doing different things and they knew I could do a master I did a masterp impression and as a rapper but um uh the casting director Marla Garland was Jeff Garland's wife right so she's like oh you should see you should see Chris for this and supposedly Ghostface Killer Sticky Fingers Mike EPS like these people all these people read for for crazy oh for for Cur and was playing a rapper now for the audition all you get all you get is a piece of paper that has it was like you're you're at your engagement party uh you talk to Larry he he likes Asian [ __ ] if I could say that like I was in the Navy you can say anything you want and uh and you can't live without it that was it for the audition so and you're a rapper and I was like okay so I knew I knew the of see with CB what makes curb so funny is you have to know what makes curb funny and what makes curb funny is Larry is such a he's not an [ __ ] he just says what he thinks and he has he's very opinionated and you know gets away with a lot of stuff and just says outrageous stuff but if you can make Larry out of control you can take his control away where he as a such a strong character really doesn't know what to do with himself because he always knows what what he's what he's doing or what he's saying he's always in command but if you can take that away from him and that tension is where the comedy came from so I was like let me take a swig at it and I put Brown I blue eyes put I put brown contacts in to make me look harder and I had a tattoo here that said wolf wol L FF and I and I had these fangs from the show I had a grill here and these two silver fangs so I said I'll call myself Like The Wolf Man oh like some some dumb rapper you know and I call myself The Wolfman and I uh I was doing my research on rap watching MTV RS watching cribs remember I used to go and Ghost Face Killer was giving a tour and so I want to get an idea of what I could bring as as crazy eyes so I left I live my house you know I left my house I had Chris could not be there because if I came in like this okay I'm ready to read and then I went into it you're not you're not going to believe in the first place so I left my house as wolf man so I I went to a the wrong the wrong uh office just to see if I could get a reaction out of the receptionist of like yeah I'm looking for dis for kby enthusiast they're like uh she's like yeah it's down that way I was like yeah yeah thanks I was like oh it's working like I don't I don't know if I'm it's working or not so so I go to the audition and I go in there and the great part about early seasons and I don't know what they did in subsequent Seasons but Larry was in the audition because you have to audition with Larry it was Larry Jeff Garland Robert Whitey and the casting director and uh Robert Whitey directed it and um and of course Jeff Jeff and and Larry and I went in there and I was like yeah what's up what's up what's up and I was like not in awe of going oh my God it's [ __ ] Larry David you know what I mean like you know I love your show I didn't do any of that stuff I was just like you know what's up I said what your name your name Larry David Larry you got two first names how'd you get that [ __ ] man he's like my dad I was like I like that [ __ ] man I like this [ __ ] you know he's like oh so this guy's like you know whatever and we did the scene and that's when I came up with I said because in my world as a rapper at that time I would be like yeah you're my [ __ ] right which automatically makes him go I don't know if I should answer that I don't know if I'm to answer that I don't know if it's inappropriate or whatever and he kind of went with it and I was like yeah yeah yeah because that's to the creative part of the the character side of it that's you know what I would say that that wouldn't mean mean anything to me but like yeah you my [ __ ] you my you like you're my friend and he was like oh yeah yeah I am and then I left and uh Jeff you know Jeff told me later he's like Larry was like is is he a good rapper he's like that was funny is he a good rapper and he's like yeah Larry yeah he's not a rapper he's an actor he's like what so but they Jeff knew and and and Bob knew um so I got the role now the great part about it was I had these fangs and this these contacts and I don't wear contexts and I'm like I don't I can't I don't want to wear these Contex like and they called me up they said okay what's your character's name and I was like I don't want to be the wolf man I was like I was like oh I got to take one out and I I'll call myself like Crazy Eyes killer with a with a with a K because I knew the the outline of what the story was going to be was going to be that I'm come you know I'm gonna come get you later because you ruined my my marriage or my engagement so I kind of knew ahead of time what I was would I be dealing with so named crazy I killer and they named the the episode after me so when I got on set also I still didn't want to be like I'm a big I'm a big fan I still wanted to keep a little bit of little bit of rub this or like he didn't know exactly who he was dealing with and to Jeff and and and I was just trying to be as hard as Chris could be as crazy ass so I was really pushing it pushing it as much as I could and and there's no audience like if you're doing a sitcom or you're doing a play or something you can feel the audience believing you or not believing you or whatever but I had no nothing to base it base it off of and I'm like Jeff is is it is it going he's like keep going keep going I'm like okay well I was like yeah just kept on with Crazy Eyes now the house tour since I knew the house tour was going to be he hated House tours I needed to make it as mundane as possible as well so I was watching MTV Cribs and I was watching you know and I said they got some floor made of some like floor [ __ ] he's like yeah yeah floor floor [ __ ] and he actually we were we cut and he took me aside and he goes you you're doing a great job with this with this Ro and I'm like oh thank you so much he's like I could have written it but you know I was like I'm I'm sure you could have Larry I'm sure and he's like and so it was such a nice um way for me to at least Express and it's all improv people don't realize there's no script there's an outline of what you should do so that whole house tour they're like give a house tour so I have to come up with things that I would think that would be mundane ridiculous and I have outtakes from it too where I'm like I got a pool I put some water in the [ __ ] pool otherwise be a hole in the ground you know what I'm saying I put some water in the [ __ ] you know like that type of you know and at one point uh we go into a music room and I had uh some people in there by the way delicious is my six foot five bodyguard oh really it's not a it's people think it's a made when I say yo delicious I say yo delicious tell Matilda to come clean this up M because when he first comes to the door and he knocks on the door and I answer I didn't answer the first time they cut it out it's this big big brother that comes the door he's like yeah what do you want he's like I'm here for Crazy Eyes he's like yeah and then he shuts the door and then I come out so they cut that whole thing out so when I yell delicious it's a My Bodyguard and I got that from uh SE Cedric the Entertainer had a thing about how you gonna call a grown man delicious so I used I used Ed that from him you you borrow things from people you borrow things and and you incorporate them see I just learned something about that episode yeah so we were in like we've been the room and then uh he's like uh I go yeah that's my cousin DT who was my barber as my cousin and I use his name I my cousin DT this that and the other yeah got a couple couple [ __ ] you know what I'm saying he's like yeah you know you got to have a couple [ __ ] around yeah you got have allp [ __ ] around but you got to spread the [ __ ] out you got a [ __ ] here [ __ ] there and you walk in a room you go oh [ __ ] [ __ ] and he's like I like your theory of spreading the [ __ ] out that got cut cut which is good but it was funny uh and being able to make Larry laugh or make him break that was that was the PS the resistance for me and also if you say if you look at my face when they cut back to him and they say he goes are you my Caucasian I'm not ready for that remember it's all improv when he says that I'm like oh yeah you because I was like oh that's funny that's like but that's Larry's BR is like that made the the character sing right there you know that that relationship between the two of us it was it was great and I got to I got to play and it was and the fact that I got to put an imprint on a on a classic show that really is was my character and my Creation in part of a giant machine you know of curve I was so fortunate to be there and then the dinner you know they had the episode the dinner at the end of season 3 big dinner they're all swearing yeah I was supposed to be there for the dinner with Wanda but Wanda couldn't make it she had a sking conflict so I I didn't I didn't get into the uh into the episode but then I came back in season 10 yeah after that's the the fatwa yeah yeah and I had a whole I didn't know I didn't know what we were gonna do but I had a whole history where Crazy Eyes converted to Juda Judaism and I was doing Fiddler on the Roof of my car I was like Matchmaker Matchmaker find me a [ __ ] like I had this whole thing I had a yamaka that had you know sparkles on it and um he's like no we're not gonna do that I was like okay well you gotta be ready and then they showed uh they showed the the did the episode yeah I'll tell you what it was so ridiculous when he was popping those bubbles but I was when I was watching it again yesterday I was thinking to myself if there's bubbles guys are going to pop them now we're not going to do it at a party stepping on them but we're going to twist those things and we're going to pop a few I I still do it and and the uh uh when you wanted him to uh give you some advice on your rap I mean that that's all improvised when he's like that I like that Snapple and crack thing or S he didn't know he didn't know I was gonna bring out a rap he had no idea so when I'm when I'm reading it to him he has a reaction to all that kind of stuff and I had a whole thing called you want Steinfeld right and he wouldn't want to correct he's like sein Steinfeld whatever [ __ ] [ __ ] I don't care you know that's something that a rapper would do not being disrespectful but just you know I don't want rapper not crazy not gonna watch Seinfeld so he knows about like Steinfeld I call it Steinfeld and he would be offended like I would you say but he can't be because he doesn't know if he's afraid of him or not right so I got to read it and and he's cracking up and then he and then you do another take of it you get the germs of you know the of the seeds of it and then you build it up into you do it again in and uh yeah I kept making him laugh which was which was a just such an honor for me to do and at the end of uh when I say I thought we were it's kund de la c n d l everyone thinks it's cool de la but it's actually kund de la with an apostrophe and um that was a a word me and my boys made up on Martha's Vineyard just see if we could start being funny or whatever so as an omage to my boys I used kund de la and it worked because he's like whatever kund de la is we are K de so people think it's cool de la but now you know the rest see I always thought it was Kuda K yeah because I I was I'd say that to my son all the time I'd be like hey are we kud d'a and he's like we K d'a so I've been saying it wrong no you can say you say has a life of its own now well tell your boys from Martha's Vineyard it's still going so I thought I I I just I love crazy eyes now yeah have you ever have you ever thought about like your with your Instagram stuff getting it getting in Crazy Eyes mode and giving marital advice because he gave some good advice he liked the Asians a funny thing happened was uh Lenny Kravitz became a fan of crazy eyes because a friend of mine knew Lenny and I met him at a an Oscar party and I did a little thing with you know little video with him on in and like this is we're talking 11 years ago and we did a little little skit whatever and my friend he's like hey Lenny wants to fly you down to the Bahamas and do a crazy eyes thing with him rapping on his album nice I flew to the Bahamas and I spent four days with them and we I'll send it to you I'll send you a clip of it that I have and you'll love it not many people have seen it but and I never released it because Lenny did not his people weren't happy with it but we did a whole skit and I have one clip from it that uh where I'm actually rapping on Lenny's album in the studio as crazy eyes so I I won't I won't send it out or do anything with it I I'll send well you can do at this point crazy crazy eyes and and curb is over so you can do whatever you want with it but I'll send it to you it's it's really funny it's really funny yeah that's so I got to so I've gotten so many great things from curb and crazy eyes um and Robert White who won for best directing for that episode they only won two Emmys uh and the first Emmy was was for crazy eyes as a director and he thanked me uh on stage which was like you never get to thank a guest star on stage so I was really honored that he had the chance he did that for me that's awesome yeah that all these years later I mean I'm still loving it and I'm surprised when I meet people and hey you know I'll say Hey you know you watch Kirby enthusiasm and and these people are like no I've never watched it I'm like you got to watch it it's way better than Seinfeld and absolutely hilarious you know that whole thing too with the with you giving him the tour of the house and I I guess I had forgotten about it Jeff and uh uh suie bought a house and he didn't want to do the tour so there was no way he was telling crazy eyes no exactly so I had to make it as mundane as you know make it as boring and like he really doesn't want so that's that tension like he you know he doesn't want to be there but he's forced right you don't force Larry to do anything he doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do but if you can put him in a position where he has to he will do something being forced to do it that that's what makes it funny y that's what makes it funny and I got a chance to I had many friends who were on the show and and Kim Whitley called me up who was monina in the carpool lane monina she was like you know what should I do I'm like just go for it and you know so you know I told her my my experience with that and um it's been a really wonderful I've gotten recognized all over the world that's awesome you know as as crazy I was in Japan I was in uh I was in Croatia I mean everywhere like on the train people like are you crazy I was in Spain you crazy ass I was like yeah so it's been really a wonderful gift that's awesome hey that that speaking of uh monina that episode has some wild history yes indeed yeah that there's been so many cool episodes of that show I watched I binged through the that so many times now they're doing a podcast uh Jeff and Susie have they have you done they done that episode yet I did it I did it uh last year oh okay yeah right now I've only listened up to EP uh season two so they're just gonna start season three y on the video part yeah it was too bad about uh this last season they made such a they made so many jokes about um uh Richard Lewis dying and then he actually dies that's yeah so that's life yeah that's how life gets you that's my dad always said dying's part of living and uh Super Dave also oh he was he was so funny on that show he was incredible yeah you know who his brother is right uh let's see his last name was Einstein uh no I don't who's his brother Al Brooks no really yes I didn't know that Albert Brooks is his brother oh my god there was so many funny episodes with him and and then they did the funeral for Al Bert books Brooks later on well it's funny you say that crazy eyes wouldn't watch Seinfeld because JB JB smooth he always I never watch that show so when they did the reunion and he's like who's that little fat bastard he's like you never watched the show I know it's yeah and uh what's his name has been really uh JB um is a friend too I've known him for a long time and he's a great guy and he's he he took he took curb to another level he did he really did once they got you know once they he that whole season six with adopting the family from the hurricane it got so much funnier and the stupid stuff like the uh showing up the day after the you know the uh a party invitation or something that's genius and stupid at the same time I love it so that that must have been awesome being part of that it is it is totally so um so you're a big football fan oh wait before before foot no let's talk football you like the bills yes I my I have to tell you why I like the bills why do you like the bills because I'm not from Buffalo people assume that I'm from Buffalo and you have to be in order to be a Buffalo Bills fan you have to have suffered like why would you choose to be Buffalo Bills fan my mom's from Buffalo and every Thanksgiving we would go up to uh my dad's not wasn't really into football so I didn't really have a team I like Minnesota Vikings the the Jets or Giants I didn't really have a team so we ever go every Thanksgiving we would go up to Buffalo you know for Thanksgiving dinner and my cousin was a buffalo Jill cheerleader they had cheerleaders one Thanksgiving in 1980 one Thanksgiving she brought home a linebacker she was dating Lucius Sanford and a defensive end de Hardison to Thanksgiving dinner and they got me the whole team's autograph I'm like I'm 13 I'm like oh my God that I'm a Bills fan I'm I have Bill's blood now of course I've suffered for the past hey I'm a brown fan so you want to talk Suffin yeah that's Browns is rough too yeah so in 2007 I went to um back then I was dating this um Super Fan so I don't know if you she was the bone lady for the Browns she would go to these games and uh beehive hairo and this crazy outfit but but uh so in 2007 I was dating her and the Browns went 10 and six and didn't make the playoffs that year but they went 8-0 at home well one of the games in 2007 was against the bills and it was the Blizzard game uh I don't know if you remember that 2007 the it's the the morning started off raining so we were all soaking wet and as we're walking to the stadium blizzard white out condition blizzard and we're all Frozen people are getting sick you couldn't see the field it was amazing game and then the Browns field goal kicker um Phil Dawson yeah every every time he kicked a field goal God was a Browns fan he would open up the skies no snow would come down and he hit these K oh my God it was an amazing game but the Blizzard game is uh you'll always remember that oh heck yeah and then they've been a disappointment ever since but uh Des Sean man yeah it's tough being a Browns this is year three with DeShawn I'll tell you what it's uh it's a struggle it's a struggle you know Nick chub going down last year well he's healthy though well you know this is his second catastrophic leg injury on the same leg I mean he did the same thing in Georgia so I mean I'm praying for the guy we love him in Cleveland yeah I thought a couple years ago you guys had a squad that I was like oh for sure they're going to and and it just it's just not the Browns Browns years it never is we're we're cursed or something but the bills man you know uh Alan so close dude four in a row we lost I know and then the 13 second game and then the miracle of Motown in Tennessee so many and then supposedly I saw a stat saying that we've haven't lost by more than like six points or whatever in like 20 games or something like that but you know we can't get over the over the hump so hopefully this year you know it's always you have hope for the year and you know we'll see we'll see yeah I know we say it every year this you know maybe next year we we call where the Browns play the factory of sadness so uh it's uh it's been rough my entire life getting so close Ernest biner fumbling the ball and the goal line for to go to the Super Bowl John Elway driving 99 yards and to tie the game and win it in overtime uh I I would love to see an AFC Championship with the with the Browns and the bills of course bills but that'd be that'd be a wonderful thing to to see so well if they if they get that far I'll I'll make some kind of side bet with you or something yeah perfect so so let let's talk about this magician thing too I mean you you are a such a a rounded guy I mean well I don't have a wife and kids so I have a lot of your time to do a lot of oh yeah that makes a huge difference it does make a huge difference I got two kids in college and that's why I've been to 52 countries so you know I couldn't If I Had a Wife and Kids well um but uh yeah so I for my birthday uh for my 40th birthday I got there's a place here called The Magic Castle which is a really magical place no pun intendant but it's a really beautiful place it's a giant like kind of Castle that has uh five different bars has a restaurant and it's dedicated since 1960 dedicated to Magic so you have to be invited by a magician or member to Club to be invited by a member you have to dress up all the men have to be in suit and ties all the women have to be in dresses you can't take it off there's no Photography in the in the club it's a beautifully uh curated establishment and they have less there they have a they have a library there that as a magician's member I can go in and I can look at any trick like they have books of like if I want to know how to do so and so and there's workshops you work with other magicians and I took I took uh I got classes there or I went to magic school and I was like because I always done you know tricks and Magic you know we all everyone knows like a trick or two right but I got to be in this little magic school and it was it was so much fun and I and I got the bug and then in order to become a magician's member you have to perform in front of like some of the best magicians in the world shoot shoot oawa and um all these you know like I'm telling you you're oh yeah shoot of course you would I know D I know David Blaine exact uh whole bunch of Mag a panel of magicians and then I I was accepted as a magicians member and then you had to do three skill tricks to uh to get in so yeah and I've been doing it for 16 years now 15 15 years now learning new things and I've got a lot of great magician friends and and uh and there's friends of mine like Eric Jones if you don't know Eric Jones you should follow him on Instagram he does coins he's a he's a pre preed digitat he does coins and he's a fabulous magician Adam Wy who's got like a million guys on Tik Tok he's a fun he does he does uh walk around some great some great magicians that I'm I'm privileged to know and and I can get some insights on stuff and we you know we exchanged you know techniques and stuff like that but you know even as a magician and I see some of the things that I've seen at the castle because there's a close-up Gallery there's a close-up room we have like 25 people and you see some of the best magicians in the world do close-up there's a parlor which is a little bigger then there's a stage a a palace of mystery where they have you know words and you know you know swing people that kind of thing but so I really love close-up magic and uh the things that I've seen just un unbelievable that even if I know some techniques and I know what's going on I have no clue because there's such so I consider myself I'm an amateur magician like I'm an amateur magician but these guys the professionals these guys are incredible can do incredible stuff incredible stuff it's pretty amazing amazing stuff I can't figure it out so I just I don't try I just like to be amused by it I want to think about next time you come to La you got to go to the Magic Castle you know I used to live out there I went to college at the College of seoa in velia oh yeah when I was in the Navy I was stationed in LaMore oh no okay by Fresno nice yeah nice yeah so I love that out there yeah yeah it's fun you uh you have a really cool relationship with your neighbor oh Cheryl yeah yeah I I for those who yeah are just uh my neighbor Cheryl she's 81 she's Japanese her her husband live across the street I've lived in my house for 20 years they've been here since 1977 I think they've been here you know 50s six years whatever or 46 years 50 years and um whenever I'm outside he sleep he goes to bed at 9ine in the morning he's up all night on his computer doing something he's 83 he's up all night and sleeps from like 9 in the morning till like 3: in the afternoon and she gets up at normal 7 in the morning so she's just bored and it's just the two of them they have no kids and um whenever I'm outside doing my yard work or something she'll come over she would come over and say hi and this that and the other and February of or January of last year the 2023 she's coming over and I'm like how you doing Cheryl she's like oh you know I'm fine she's just a a little Japanese later that's just bored basically and she's like you know I lost my my mom and my sister and she's like you know I just I just want to die not that I want to commit suicide but I don't want to be here anymore I'm like you what what do you mean she's nothing to look forward to called tanim they used to have the tan tanim Club where you would go and look forward to doing something and I'm like so okay Cheryl we're going to walk every Saturday that's what you're GNA have that's your tashimi Club so we've been walking every Saturday for the past year year and a half now so it's it's like she comes over and we go now we have our own little path we walk about uh almost a mile she's in great shape too and she talk we go to a b Bakery and we get our you our standard things they know us at the bakery now and we sit there and then she never learned Japanese because she was in an internment camp a Japanese internment camp she was American she was born in Wyoming and then moved moved to Los Angeles and um so we've been taking Japanese lessons together so I'm du lingo so we'll do we're both learning Japanese at the same time but it gives her something to do and also give makes me feel like I'm I'm trying to make a difference in in someone's life you know that uh and she tells me stories so it's it's therapeutic for me as well and gives me something tanima to look forward to that's pretty amazing and I took her to uh on Thursday I took her to a um uh Independent Living place so she could see what it's like to be because you know if you're 81 and 83 they've been on their house they don't have any kids I want them to be in someplace safe and someplace nice before they have to be in someplace you know what I mean right while they they can still enjoy it so hopefully in the next year we can get them we can get them situated wow yeah that's pretty awesome when I you know I see you posting videos just you guys out walking or talking just you know nothing in particular I think that's really awesome that you do that and my neighbor up the street is 104 years 103 Mr Stanley's up the street and I get to know I I kind of be like the mayor on the Block and introducing people and funny thing is there's another guy named Richard who's also 81 who's also Japanese who lives six houses up on our street and I said Cheryl you know Richard right she goes no and I was like you don't know Richard because she know who's she doesn't go out at all you know Richard and Richard came over he brings me he goes fishing brings me fish and I introduced him he's like yeah we were born in the same internment camp in Wyoming wow I'm like you've lived each across from each other for almost 50 years and you don't know each other so bringing the community together Joe that's you know what that's that's awesome man see now everybody should pick one person out and do do something good for one person and then we won't have this crap in our country exactly exactly exactly each one teach one you know I did a I did a conversation my last conversation I did I did with my congressman I'm friends with my congressman here and we were kind of talking about what's going on in the world and he said the problem is people don't fear God or fear jail and those two things you know if you don't fear God and fear you don't fear going to jail then you're going to do whatever you want to do and so that's very true that's very true so it's a crazy time we're living in right now crazy crazy time and all you can do is just the best you can do you know what I mean right be good to other people and and try to do your best you know you know that's that's what I look if if everyone just was took their own responsibility to be nice and then just do your job if you just did your job whatever job it is if you just did your job and had respect and had courage for the people be such a easier easier place to be and people just need to calm down take a deep breath and you know it's nuts right now but it's not the end of the world so just just relax talk to a stranger exactly exactly you you know like what you're doing you you took this time out you're spent an hour a little over an hour with me man this means so much to me you know I'm sure there's a lot of people out there in LA that are like nah I'm good but no you you asked me nicely and I was like and I've been meaning to to to do with you so I'm so glad we had a chance to have a chat yeah no this is really cool uh before we go I mean what kind of advice my daughter my daughter wants to move out to LA she wants to be in the entertain take a deep breath I know she's 21 and I don't want her to you know I want her to live in the area code of course of course 216 not you gotta let him you gotta let him fly oh my God I know I wasn't preparing myself for that and You' also you've also taught her enough she knows who she is she knows where she comes from you've done your job now you gotta it's like your arm walking away from yourself and going it doing its own thing you just got to let it go and trust your parenting what you've done so it's gonna be okay I think I did a good job but it still scare scares the [ __ ] out of me yeah bet but uh what advice would you give some young person uh getting in the business I know you you kind of find financed your own uh your whole way and you took a big gamble on you yeah uh which I respect I did that with my business I I took a gamble on myself and you know to be My Own Boss yes inde so you you did the same thing what advice uh would you give some young person now well a young person I would say you don't know what you're gonna end up doing you really don't know what you're gonna end up doing but the the formative years while you're in your early 20s try things try doing something you wouldn't normally try try something that has some interest to you and go for it because you can't do it when you're 40 you really can't because you're gonna be locked in on the other so now is the time to you know to fail to try and fail you know that's what I did when I was as I said 25 I started and I was afraid to you know I was afraid to to because all my I didn't want to be poor so I had a regular job and I and didn't want to give up on whatever it was but if I was going to be an actor and do what I wanted to do I got had got to try so when I was 25 I had 10 credit cards I think back in the day and I was financing my career and I was at one point from 25 to about 31 32 I was $60,000 in credit card debt try but which I don't recommend but remember I'm in a business which is a a gamble business where you can hit the jackpot big you know on small things you can hit the jackpot so I uh as long as I saw forward progress as long as I was getting a job here and that job believe to this job that job could lead to this job as long as I could see forward progress then I would I kept financing I'm like okay well it's still going it's still going and then the more work you get the more exposure the more experience you can expand expand expand and then uh I got that TV show hype and it knocked out all my debt just like that and then I could start over you know then I could start from you know square one and that's what led to you know this and of that list leads to that so my advice would be to try things try out things give it a shot don't have any regrets if it doesn't work there's always but also getting an education too I mean I went to Georgetown my parents were like you're going to get a degree in something even though college is first of all good for you for financing the college is expensive college is is ridiculously expensive so if your parents are paying paying for your college get your damn get your damn degree just to honor their honor their commitment to you uh and uh get your degree and then from there go for it try to do what you can and and and figure out what it is and and fail and you may and you may succeed and in that failure you may find something else that you didn't know you even liked that could have been you could be trying to be an actor and then all of a sudden see what a producer looks like or what uh a grip looks like you know um sound or and have a wonderful career in something else within the industry and also if you're going into the actor or the um you know performer aspect of it make your own content we're talking about Tik Tok YouTube I if I had Tik Tok and YouTube when I was in college these guys you know I'm I'm I'm on such a so long so long in the tooth right now that I'm struggling to get my uh my things out there but these kids got energy make your own content if there's a story you want to see write the story and shoot it you go for it just do it try it out and I'm I'm reading a book right now uh what's that and listen to your parents I'm I'm reading uh Gary s's autobiography right now and he kind of went the same way he got the bug and doing plays and started his own theater company and I think he's doing all right yeah exactly right hey one more thing too say yeah steppen wolf right that's world it's world renown yeah yeah um you put uh you do a lot or you love a lot of music and and you put a lot of stuff on there yes who who's your top five uh favorite musicians uh Prince I love Prince I saw him 14 times he's just as a perform did you ever get to see him no I mean I grew up watching and listening to him and never saw him as a performer that man was playing the guitar singing it's just an un the best performance former I mean incredible uh as a musician I love shade as you can tell by my Instagram I always have like once a week I'll have some with shade I've seen her three times perform I think she's an alien because she comes in she comes out does an album does a tour and then disappear you don't see her you don't hear about her she's not you don't know where she is but she's just got a ethereal quality to her um this group called Kang Bing have you heard of them k h r u n GB i n crumbing they're a trio out of Texas I'm going to see them August August 11th at the Hollywood Bowl they have kind of like um um Soulful just a guitar base and and uh drum drums and uh I just love their Vibe it's a very cool Vibe uh very relaxed um I love Leed Zeppelin I'm listening to their autobiography right now I love me some Zeppelin and uh and John col train I love jazz so I love um so if I had to do five of my you know my my five of my favorites I would say it's a a wide a breadth of of uh and also um chaikovsky 1812 Overture which which I go to see every year at the Hollywood balls so nice I like to keep a because my parents are both music teachers so I like to keep a wide you know swath of musical taste I'm always disappointed and we have the Rock Hall here in Cleveland I'm always disappointed that uh whenever they talk about the greatest guitar players of all time they never talk about Eddie Hazel now Eddie Hazel was in Funkadelic and he played the the guitar in Maggot Brain oh wow that have you do you know Maggot Brain no I'm telling you you got okay D listen to Maggot Brain uh the the album covers Got a Woman and she's got this big giant round afro that's the one you got to listen to oh nice I like that Joe it's it dude it's it's a lifechanging song I'm telling you Eddie Hazel it's a 10-minute guitar solo and wow so George Clinton told him in the first half of the song he wanted him to think like his mother was just murdered so he played that guitar thinking his mother was just murdered in the second half of the song he told him to play it like he found out his mother was still alive so the the emotion in this song automatically should make him top five greatest guitar players of all time but Maggot Brain by Funkadelic it's I will listen to that thank I I guarantee it will change your life you will want to play that song all the time there's not one word spoken in it uh but you will love that song thank you man I appreciate you turning me on to some new music you're gonna you're my heart you're gonna sit there and listen to it and less than one minute into that song You're GNA feel it you're gonna feel it I love it and hey I wanted to say one more thing about Syracuse University I was gonna say earlier arguably the greatest running back of all time got a scholarship most people don't even realize this maybe some Browns fans arguably the greatest running back of all time had a scholarship for lacrosse at Syracuse University exactly I didn't even know they had lacrosse back then but Jim Brown played La Brown was a bad [ __ ] and the fact that he I love the fact when he played for the Browns he got up every you know about him getting up slowly you know about that right yeah he gets up slowly so you don't know if he's hurt or not and then he goes and he Sprints and runs and just destroys you and then quits when he said you know what n years nine years yeah years he still had more to go you know what's funny I mean Jim Brown I'm I'm trying to find it while I'm talking but so sports with my my son it's it's our thing once he was nine we started going to Browns games and I took him to a Bears game in January which uh oh nice my ex-wife wasn't a big fan of But but so I got I have a lot of connections with my business and and my son like you said when you got to meet those football players at 13 from 9 my son started meeting meeting a lot of athletes you know he got to meet Aaron Rogers he got to his bedroom upstairs is full of him and photos with people he's met but the very first person he ever met and as I'm trying to find this I'm probably not going to be able to find it but we're on the sidelines and my son didn't know who it was but this old guy is walking real slow towards us and I'm getting all excited right because it's Jim Brown he's walking and and Jim Brown always had a reputation where he didn't like signing autographs you know for adults he didn't have time for guys like me but my cute little son right there you know he's walking towards us and my son is you know looking all cute and nine years old and I said Mr Brown can you sign my son's uh baseball hat and he's like yeah so then he starts talking to my son I'm still trying to find this picture because it's so exciting but he he's talking to my son and my son didn't know who it was you know he's starting to get a little scared I think but he signs my son's hat and I said hey can I get a picture of you with my son he he comes down and he gives my son this bear hug from behind and so I I take a few pictures and then he's talking to my son a little bit more and I can't find this damn picture but uh he he he uh if I can't find it I'll just send it to you on Instagram later or something but so he gives my my son this big bear hug and and you know and he takes a few pictures he's walking by and I shake his hand I'm like thanks sir I really appreciate this and my son's like who's that dad you know and I'm like Joey that's the best the greatest football player of all time just walked by and he's like but he's old and this guy saw it and my son's there with his little hat and this guy says hey I'll give you $100 for that hat my son's like yeah I'm like no so that Hat's in a c in his bedroom Fant the first person he ever met was the greatest football player of all you start start off like that though everything's downhill from there oh I know you know but he's gotten like I said he got to meet Aaron Rodgers we went up to Green Bay and to we had a friend that was a fullback on the Packers and and so he gave us his family pass and my kid got uh you can't see it but in the background there's a Packers helmet over there and all the teams signed it for him fantastic who do you think is gonna win this year who you got what do you think you play Fantasy Football too I do yeah uh uh all right so I gotta go with my Browns I gotta be a homer I mean our offensive line is amazing our defense is amazing the only thing that is a question mark is is always the quarterback I mean I had Des Sean you know I I picked him last year my quarterback oh man you made a mistake come on Des you should have picked up Joe flacko I right come on DeShawn I had Deshawn and I had uh what's his name from Detroit who got hurt oh Indianapolis um the rookie the rookie um not betet no no the the the you know the the rookie who's doing yeah and he got hurt and then so I got all these hurt quarterbacks so I was scrambling last year oh man to get my quarterback you know it's crazy when uh Demar Hamlin when he went down in that game my son and I were at the Cavs game uh Cleveland Cavaliers and that was the night it got overshadowed because of Demar Hamlin but but he and my son and I watched uh Donovan Mitchell score 71 points wow the greatest basketball game I have ever seen in person wow 71 points and they were guarding him like crazy and he probably missed 15 points but it got overshadowed because obviously what happened he an extension right oh yeah yeah he just signed a big one too I think I think four years he's good man H CS are looking good though man you guys are young Cavs look good our bigs need to just bulk up they need to start drinking some milk or eating some steaks or something Moy right yeah we got Moy and Allen and uh yeah yeah we love basketball here too yeah yeah yeah I'm a fan all right you know I uh I was at we were Courtside for the uh Cavs Nicks game a couple years ago during covid and we were in this uh this bar and um I hear this voice this guy sitting next to me and I'm like man that voice sounds familiar and he's got a mask on and I'm like man so he takes that mask off and I'm like oh my God I normally don't get Fanboy when there's celebrities because I don't get impressed like that anymore like I did when I was younger but I looked over and I'm like it's turtle from Entourage so uh um uh uh Jerry uh Ferrera yeah yeah yeah I'm like oh my God so then my son and I are s uh sitting in seats one and two on the side right across from the Cavs bench and Jerry Ferrer is underneath the the hoop you know when we go back out for the game and I'm like I I don't feel comfortable doing this but I go over to Jerry Ferrera and I said hey I never do this but I said man I loved you in Lone Survivor I said I'm a you know I'm a veteran I love that story Marcus Latrell I do charity work with him I love that you were part of telling that story and I know he thought I was going to think Entourage I love Entourage but uh but uh so I got I meet him and then I handed him my business card I'm like here if you ever need anything let me know and that was it I got I got a picture with them and then the funny thing was the next day it was at the Nicks game so he's obviously a big Knicks fan that's why I brought him up but the next day we had a my kids had a snow day from school and uh my son texts me from the rec center he's like hey Dad Jerry Ferrera is here I'm like what he's like hey here playing basketball I'm like go play with him so he went up and uh he started playing basketball with Jerry Ferrera and he gets a picture and Jerry ferrera's down here and my son's 63 oh W yeah so and he didn't know who Jerry my son doesn't watch He's 19 doesn't watch movies doesn't watch any of that stuff so oh wow but uh so he wasn't impressed but uh and they're both in they're both in school yeah my daughter wants to be a lawyer in the in the entertainment industry okay and um uh my son is studying Sports business so I think that's a great compliment to me because I raised him with sports and he wants to pursue that as a career he wants to maybe work for the Browns or something fantastic so yeah I'm pretty proud of both my kids excellent yeah let him let them let them live let them fly Joe let them fly oh I know I know it's tough you know I I always say the the the best part about being a father is watching your kids grow up and the worst part about being a father is watching your kids grow up so exactly the best and the worst yes inde so well listen Chris I really appreciate this conversation you know I uh I'm not an interviewer I'm a I'm a talker so uh I'm so thankful and appreciative you uh you did this for me this uh of course man that was a lot of fun thanks for having me on I appreciate it yeah talking uh uh you know one of my favorite movies and and I might be overstepping my bounds here but can I get a little crazy eyes killer before we go yeah but [ __ ] you m [ __ ] yeah I ain't doing that [ __ ] um uh and actually upload upload is coming I'm the fourth and final season of upload on Amazon I'll be in uh the first episode of it so we'll be filming in in in a month awesome so that that'll be coming up soon but yeah good deal you know Joe I got to say you might you're my Caucasian [ __ ] you know what I'm saying I love it I love it man you could de lie with me man we co de lie all right I said it right now yes indeed awesome Chris well listen hey and tell your sister I said hi I will she's doing the devil wor Prada in in uh in the West End in London right now so we're going to see her in December 8 musical Elton John's right did a musical yeah so she's on stage oh that's awesome yes indeed it's a actually my one of my daughter's favorite movies go out to see him take him on a trip to London you know I do want to go out there on November 5th that's guy fox day that's supposed to be a big party time yes indeed so yes indeed that's one of my bucket lists but I think I want to go to Italy before I want to go to England let me know when you're coming yeah I will buddy so all right Chris well thanks uh thanks a lot I really appreciate this and and by the way this isn't monetized so I'm not making any money on this this is just me uh reaching out to fun people awesome fun I appreciate it man thanks a lot I'll send you the link when I get it uploaded fantastic and I'll send you that that crazy ass thing for you yeah that'd be great thanks you got it all right man talk to you soon yep all right bye right