Why Oklahoma State Coach Mike Gundy's Controversial Defense of Ollie Gordon DUI is Fireable Offense

um but we got some sound from Mike Gundy so I haven't seen it yet you understand that Mike gundy's you don't know anything that's going on with mik some context before all I see right now is a still screenshot of Mike Gundy and he looks just as a entity ridiculous but to be fair a still shot when you're in the middle of a video you can catch people blinking I mean you can find any still shot it's not his facial expression David it's just my Gundy looking like my G does he have a high and tight mullet yes he does Jesus so the story is that he has an All-American player named Oli Gordon II and there's alcohol drunk driving involved and it turns out that you'd think there'd be a punishment but it turns out that in his mind the punishment would only be we're going to play him more not less and he was serious but that's not the worst part about what happened with Mike Gundy so I looked it up on my phone what would be the legal limit like in Oklahoma is 008 and oi was um 0.1 so I looked it up and it was based on body weight not to get into the legal side of it but I thought really two or three beers or four I'm not justifying what Olie did I'm telling you what decision I made well I thought I probably done that a thousand times in my life and and I you know it's just fine so I got lucky people get lucky Allie made a um a decision that he wish he could have done better but when I talked to olly I told him I said you're lucky you got out light because you make a lot of money I'm I'm insens because he then tried to cover it up he got in trouble his PR department and you got in trouble for that what was wrong with that the claim was no no I didn't say I was drunk driving a thousand times I said I've made a thousand bad decisions in my life except that's a dangling modifier he said he got lucky meaning he got lucky he didn't get banged for drunk driving we have another clip he's going to play and um I'm going to do what I think what we think is best for Oklahoma State football uh and I think it's best for oie to play uh if there's any punishment it's make him carry the ball 50 times in the first game is that the police coming for Mike Gundy I it should be the ad coming for his job because he would not survive this if I'm the ad of Oklahoma State I mean you you've said that you're in sense you're upset but you haven't explained specifically what about it um he's got a responsibility he's got a responsibility to lead men to lead young men whether they're employees whether they're making money with nil whether whatever age they are he has a responsibility he is the face of a university the football coach is the face and what he is saying and four days ago was it four days ago can we can we can we pause for a second to acknowledge that I believe the audience should be aware of what has been happening which is that there is a giant fire alarm okay very good so we're not going to die no the very boy who cried wolf situation here where the big one's coming at some point but no one's ever concerned because it's a daily occurrence and so when they say in your ear if you're going to be in that chair when they say ignore the alarm and keep going what that means is you don't need to talk about it on the show oh yeah not sure I agree with that as the host of the show um I believe in you Chris thank you David what point does the so Mike Gundy deserves to obviously be criticized for this ridiculous take but at what point does is it a take like this is what bothered me about it it's not like a Stephen A Smith take in his mind what he was saying is hey we all drink and drive and four days ago what's the name of the uh the Minnesota Vikings player I believe he just died and got killed by a drunk driver absolutely four days ago I I so the the point that I'm making is I think think it goes higher than Mike Gundy is Mike Gundy is not new to this type of nonsense we were doing a little reading about Mike gundy's past this morning and he allegedly is responsible for a lot of I guess recruiting violations is one thing that he's been alleged of but that's not as awful as some of the things that he's been accused of as far as like interviewing the orange hostesses and which are like the women who are there to welcome the recruits and arranging for them to uh have a good time with some of the recruits he was like these are ACC I said allegedly twice oh you got nervous get a third allegedly we I'm I'm tied to you there needs to be a leader of men and Mike Gundy is not that leader you're talking about things I didn't that he allegedly did this is not alleged he this is his unless it's a photoshopped I've seen that on the internet recently oh like deep fakes where people are pretending they're talking but it's not them talking pretty sure this isn't that so this is him he released statement afterwards um so yeah this is a real thing and this is really how he feels I think the concerning part is you're right the leadership of men situation it's like a cliche but I get the point it is about the example that you set and to be fair I don't want to get up here and get all Grand standy um holier than thou and act like I haven't been a part of teams where it is understood that we say certain things uh behind or when there are no cameras and then we say certain things to the camera the shocking thing to me is not that Mike Gundy feels or says the things that he says the shocking thing to me is that he's been a coach since remember I'm a man I'm 40 that was like 15 years ago like 56 now the shocking thing is I'm a man I'm 56 I've been a head coach of a major college football program for this long and you put a mic in front of my face and I'm still stupid so we're on the same page because what goes on and people have called me hypocritical because of this but what goes on when you're running a team is that who who to I'm going I'm going to move right past that and I'm going to say I want to fight him call my dog a hypocrite I do you have a dog so here's my issue we're gonna we're gonna have can we have a writing list we get another Journal note to for David yes Dominique no no no no no all right go ahead I'm sorry I I think that we I love that we are jocular but this is not to me this was not a jocular moment and and I took it seriously on nothing person I'll take it seriously here in front of people there are different things that go on when there's no cameras in a clubhouse there are and we've acknowledged that but this is so irresponsible that you can't you cannot and should not be able to come back from that by claiming you were talking about something else which is what everyone does when they're caught no no you misunderstood me or no no I'm a sex addict or no no I I need rehab for whatever when I get caught this is him making it okay he is making the behavior okay and it's just not okay talk to Kyrie Jackson's family it's just not okay but nobody expects anything to actually happen here or do you do you think that this is a this is a Rubicon for Mike Gundy this is finally the thing if Ali Gordon were a worse player I don't think Mike Gundy survives it but I think that I mean if Ali Gordon was the worst player I don't think Ali Gordon survives it and so there would be no uproar for Mike Gundy the only reason why he's getting 50 carries is not to be a punishment to Ali Gordon it's because you give him 50 carries is because and he said it in that statement he said we're going to do what's best for Oklahoma State that was the first thing he said before he said anything about I'm offended or appalled by his actions or we need to make sure that we're raising our men to take responsibility he said I do the same let's get a dub basically let's translated that like let's try to win this Heisman Ali all all of this reminds me David especially of like how like what role sometimes the media has to play if we're going to live in a society like I immediately I see this on the internet I see this now for the first time and I'm like we can move past this as an internet as a people who are uh online like within an hour like oh yeah my guny says something stupid I see people saying stupid things who are employed who are everywhere all of the time they may even get elected the thing about what the media has to do though is be the thing that Dominique said he wanted to avoid which is we have to be the scold like in the absence of a school that's going to do something we have to be on some serious level and we're a show of course that wants to be both stupid and smart we have to do the smart thing of saying like we all actually agree that this feels like a boundary we can't take UNS seriously like this feels does this feel firable yes to all of us on like a moral level and maybe it's the Lifetime Achievement Award of stupidity but it's just like yeah I guess that's what the media has to do which is where the media gets to be campaigned against all of the time some things last more than an hour some things have Pablo's that's what Pablo's point is so this is this to me is one of those things but how do they last more than an hour you need someone to be like sorry to break up the jokes but this is you need a booster you need someone it's like when sponsors walk away from a team because you're associating with the player you need that and the sponsors are the boosters you need someone to come in and say hey we don't want to be Associated now with this program but we're also assuming that like boosters have this like moral High Ground that they live on like they just want to be relevant right and like Oklahoma state is not right but with the new playoff system I think they were ranked like 16th last year like they're right on the edge of relevancy there and olly Gordon I think is the best running back in college football so are they going to risk getting rid of their coach and then maybe not being relevant anymore over these comments like they probably won't take that moral stand he's Pro they're probably going to agree with Gundy that they should do what's best for Oklahoma State and give him 50 carries maybe that is a punishment does he normally get do we know how many his average carries are what if his average carries are only 20 and he really does view 50 as a punishment because he'd be all tired the I think that this is his high was 34 in a game last year so I guess that's a punishment it's going have to work harder part of the challenges I think with being like a uh intelligent modern person is that you are capable of rationalizing anything is I could understand and depending on your perspective and where you are in this situation I could understand how someone in that school would say that okay Ali did something stupid but Ali is so important to everything that we are doing here we're not going to punish everyone else by punishing Ali for doing something stupid and I also could understand them coming to that same rational I'm not saying it's right and I think Pablo's right to call me frankly personally to the carpet and saying that I'm like pointing out that I understand that these things are said and we' SE them before the differen is that he's said it publicly I'm completely comfortable with that but I think part of it also is like what and this is just being completely honest it's not a defense but I feel like what is actually going to happen because I know how this works and because he said this does not mean that this is that people are going to behave any differently I think that a lot of college football coaches and I've played college football and professional football the point is we need to go win games and anything that gets in the way of that is going to be a problem now if if we create a big enough stink or if the media creates a big enough stink around this Ali Gordon thing then that gets in the way of them making money it gets in the way of sponsorships it gets to the point where people aren't buying tickets where people are are choosing not to go there because of it or it's distracting their players then there's a reaction to it so I guess that's Dominique did you really need to do mental gymnastics To Go Pro Player on this on this story out of nowhere where you could just been like yeah it's sort up he shouldn't have done that is that the the way simpler take thanks Charlie damn I'm not I'm just I'm not going to say I'm not going to say the trend I'm noticing with who Charlie is at war with today but their first game is also against South Dakota state so you could be like you know what Ollie not playing the first game but South Dakota state was undefeated last it's the har Michigan Plan suspend him for the games early that don't matter and say now everything's okay the problem with that is he's a Heisman candidate and winning a Heisman Trophy means a lot more to the institution then uh like it can change the way that they're going and every the Heisman is a lot based on the statistics and so you are missing a game where you could possibly get three touchdowns in 250 yards that's going to change your Heisman uh possibilities where you're saying is that Ali Gordon is no fourth starter