Fantasy Trade Deadline Special & Joe Burrow & Mark Andrews Injuries

hey it's the Harris football podcast with your host Christopher Harris welcome Hey everybody welcome in my name is Chris and that's a silly way to start a podcast I'm shouting at you hello there thank you for listening to this very stupid show I hope you're doing well let's get right into it it is now clear that we as as a society are not allowed to have nice things we were all looking forward to Bengals Ravens as I put it yesterday we were using weapons on both of those teams the first half was pretty fun and I don't know maybe Al Michaels and his deal with the Devil with Amazon has put a curse on the entire Thursday night Enterprise just eventually it eventually turns into a bad game uh The Bangles had put together a strong second quarter drive after getting the ball on their own 18 they go methodically down this is like you know mid late second quarter Joe mixon's really dealing rushing and receiving this notion that Joe Mixon is bad because of his stats I think hopefully you watched it and you realize it's not true Mixon catches a touchdown from Joe burrow to make it 10-7 Cincinnati really felt like it was game on at that point and just burrow on a wildly innocuous looking throw short to Mixon for that touchdown screams in pain grabs his wrist goes down to the turf and he was done and that game was done and we were right back with Al Michaels watching a joyless Thursday night slog as I tweeted last night I'm pretty sure there are some big tough dudes who live in Las Vegas who would like to have a word with Zack Taylor and the Bengals for not putting Joe burrow on their injury list at all especially now we know we didn't until he was hurt that burrow was seen getting off the plane in Baltimore wearing a splint on his wrist there's a reason that the injury list exists it's not so that Pete Carroll can mock us it's because hundreds of millions of dollars get wagered on these games and per usual in late stage capitalism the little guy with no inside info gets completely shafted unless the teams are forced to tell some version of the truth which the Bengals clearly did not do here and if you had the Bengals getting points in this game you have a right to be pissed off yourself and this is to say nothing of the fact that on Baltimore Mo's very first drive Mark Andrews and Z flowers both had big gains Lamar Jackson scrambles for a first down the next play threw it to Andrews wide open over the middle at about the 5 yd line he makes a move to get in the end zone he gets that hip drop tackle pulled on him his ankle gets twisted in that high ankle sprain way that we are all by now familiar with and Mark Andrews is done for the entire season holy moly the Ravens would go on to romp in the second half Jake Browning is for the moment Joe Burrow's backup boy you can't do that again I guess maybe you have to I don't know he wasn't good he didn't stand a chance the Ravens went from basically playing back and being scared of the QB to blitzing like crazy and watching Jake Browning turtle and so while some of my comments here will be about the rest of the game and what I saw and things like that a lot of what I have to say has to be about how we deal with this mess going forward the Bengals are in a huge massive inescapable pickle if they don't have Joe burrow Jamar Chase stayed out there the whole night in the third quarter Browning did throw one Bomb shot to chase down the left side that he caught but was easily shoved out of bounds before he got his feet down and Chase had the stinkiest smelliest basora touchdown ever on a super meaningless drive at the end which will take the touchdown as a Band-Aid but I mean this would be like worse than Aiden oconnell and Devonte Adams you know that level of bad for Chase if can't play to say nothing of the ancillary guys T Higgins if he were to come back you know it's bad for Joe Mixon they might run more but teams are going to do it Baltimore did just plug up the middle and dare them to go deep the offensive ecosystem as they say would be bad but you know with the two main guys you're going to be stuck in that middle space where you know come on Jason Mixon are star players really hard to sit they're awesome are you sitting them for Quinton Johnston and Tai Spears you know the that's going to be hard to do the Ravens lose Mark Andrews and we know that that one is season ending it's a Crusher you know you'll forgive me if I'm not totally convinced that Cambridge massachusetts's own Isaiah likely is uh is I'm suspicious that he's ready to be an every week starter uh you know I I guess everyone was shocked that Andrews was gone and maybe with full practices Isaiah likely can look better but he didn't look very good in this game he drew a pass interference penalty early second quarter also miscommunicated with Lamar Jackson in a in a hurry up drive towards the end of the half had a short catch in a two-minute drill overturned by holding otherwise he was out there 50 snaps I didn't notice him I sure didn't see the Ravens trying to test him out very much third string tight end Charlie Kolar had the most Andrews looking catch early third quarter and listen it's the world's worst position for Fantasy so yes we are going to tell you to add I is likely next week for sure because you know the possibility however small that it turns around and looks better than it did Thursday night that's enough to give likely a shot but the answer for who benefits from Andrew's absence could easily be the receivers it looked like that last night Z flowers he you you deserve better if you started him that was rough he scored a 68 yard touchdown on a screen on an RPO and was called back for a truly shaking shaky holding penalty on Odell Beckham flowers also drew a long pass interference near the end of the half and then third quarter caught a bomb shot just barely out of bounds in the end zone this is why we watch games you know this is the kind of thing we should pay attention to how close Z flowers was to a huge Knight and meanwhile ODB himself had three long gains also had a deep shot where he roasted his man coverage and it would have been a touchdown had Lamar not slightly overcooked it but Odell Beckham left the game with a shoulder injury late so far the Ravens seem to be saying that one's not a huge deal meanwhile Rashad baitman had a deep shot at the end of the first half that was a perfect throw and would have been a touchdown but the DB rose up and knocked it away baitman did catch a Red Zone touchdown very end of the half after Beckham and flowers had gotten them close and Nelson freaking aalor pirated a touchdown that was not a very good throw by Lamar a linebacker tipped it it went right to AG hands and he motored for a score I am not to the point where I would be trusting Rashad baitman or Nelson agor uh with things as currently constituted anyway but Beckham flowers they could be different story as long as they're both healthy based on how it looked here you'd certainly say ODB looks like a a better inheritor of a big Mark Andrew's workload than Isaiah likely though it is only one game and that Baltimore backfield okay we did feel like we got the switch away from Justice Hill and toward Keaton Mitchell as the second back but meanwhile Gus Edwards just runs around like an elephant and scores two more goal line touchdowns the Jamal Williams season is in full effect there was basically one non-t touchdown run that Edwards made into anything it was inside Zone and Kirk Herbst Street was going like wow what a cut great quickness by Gus Edwards and I watched it back the entire left defensive side completely collapsed down all Edwards had to do was not run into the pile and he still needed to basically stop and manually bring the barge around to make that cut he Pitter pattered his feet pretty good and like he does not cut without stopping to his credit he did it but it was not what I would classify as quick but yeah I mean you just keep riding the Gus bus you know you know the trick week is coming right when you don't least expect it where they just don't get carries inside the five but it keeps happening and you know a lot of people made money on Jamal Williams last year the other two Ravens running backs yeah so it turns out every tiny running back does not bust an 80 yard touchdown every time he plays wow Keaton Mitchell got a lot more run in this game and plenty of run while it was competitive in the first half Edwards played 14 snaps Mitchell played 10 and meanwhile Justice Hill wasn't seen in the offensive backfield until the three minute Mark of the second quarter Hill would wind up playing most of the two different hurry up drives at the end of the first half but he was certainly more of an afterthought here one carry one catch Katon Mitchell eight carries one catch and you know mostly frustration stuff between the tackles he he got ragd dolled a little bit and didn't find any room third quarter Red Zone carry he slipped on the grass and fell down late third quarter the Ravens went super spread with double stacked receivers way on the outside on a first and 10 to run a draw for Mitchell so he wouldn't have so much traffic around him and he took that one for 21 yards also got a fourth quarter series entirely to himself with three straight carries but yeah high ceiling bad floor last night we got the floor next week the Ravens have the Chargers on Sunday night and the Bengals are home Steelers but without Joe burrow they're not only not a playoff team but they will struggle to keep those two star players Chase and Mixon relevant today's okay on today's show what a bummer injuries happen and they are always a bummer so first up on the rest of today's show I'm going to talk about the other injuries that we'll have to keep track of going into the weekend and then I'm going to hurry along and get right to cousin Josh because Josh and I this time every year we do a fantasy trade deadline 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Twitter rendering opinions and diagnoses and Recovery timelines and people like taking them seriously I don't know it's truly bizarre all I can tell you is that we're just going to wait and see and and see what the teams say you have surely heard by now that deshun Watson is out for the year and will need shoulder surgery this week the Browns will start rookie Dorian Thompson Beckham but are apparently also talking with Joe flacko uh that's you know I don't know I don't think that'll go very well Justin Fields will start week 11 against the Lions after missing four games with a thumb injury Matthew Stafford is back at practice uh taking first team reps after missing week nine with a thumb injury as well uh seems pretty clear he's going to be out there stealing cheese plates for the Rams Raheem moard has been registered as a limited participant in practices this week he's coming off a buy so that's not ideal uh but we think he's going to play the real question is whether Devon aan will be activated here in the first week he's eligible to come off IR after his knee injury he too has been listed as limited so far we've assumed based on what Mike McDaniel has said that we think he'll be okay to go but you know we got to check in uh khil Herbert is practicing fully this week for the Bears he also has not yet been activated from IR um he was reportedly close last Thursday for that game against the Panthers so at this point again like aan we think he'll be able to play Sunday against the Lions and Deontay Foreman in that same Bears backfield has been Limited in practice so far with an ankle injury no indication he's going to miss uh Alexander Madison did something in practice on Thursday after missing practice Wednesday he could get cleared from the concussion protocol in time for Sunday night's game I assume we'll know that in advance of having to make lineup decisions Ty Chandler would lose a lot of his luster as a potential start outside desperation situations if Madison uh were able to go though I have to say I'm somewhat skeptical given that Madison was diagnosed with a concussion Damen Pierce has missed back-to-back games and still hasn't practiced this week because of an ankle injury if he plays I don't think we like anybody in Houston's backfield this week if he doesn't Devon single can be an okay I mean until last week we would have said emergency my tendency is to still say emergency starter but you can use him if there's no Pierce Antonio Gibson if you were thinking of him as a Hail Mary check in because he has a toe injury and hasn't practiced yet this week Justin Jefferson that's probably the biggest unknown of the week for uh week 11 he's been classified as limited so far in Vikings practices this week as of my recording this we still don't know whether he will be activated from IR in time for Sunday night he will surely be back soon uh but we simply don't know if that's week 11 and of course there would be risk in using anybody coming off of ir who could tweak his hamstring right away again and suddenly give you nothing but I personally wouldn't live with myself if Justin Jefferson went off on my bench KJ Osborne he was concussed two weeks ago against the Falcons and reportedly like Madison has been doing some stuff in practice but he has a week more of recovery time than Madison does so sounds like there's a legit chance Osborne returns and if Jefferson does not return Osborne gets a little bit of fantasy relevance for that Bronco game uh but if Jefferson returns I think we're probably not using KJ Osborne Tyler Lockett hasn't practiced yet this week theoretically I guess could miss this Rams game but feels like Lockett has been on a managed schedule because of his hamstring most of this season and you know that PD Sunshine messes with the injury reports so so far I'm assuming locket will be okay the Texans receiving Corp their box of receiving toys you know Nico Collins has been Limited in practice but he told reporters that he thinks he'll play this week against the Cardinals Robert Woods was limited on Wednesday with practiced INF full on Thursday tank Dell since he came back from his concussion he's been fine but Noah Brown has a knee issue and has not yet practiced this week seems like if anyone in this gang of four uh is in danger of missing this game it might be Noah Brown all we can do is wait obviously you'd be chasing two big games hard to get away from if you use Noah Brown last week but he might not play Jerry Judy got added to Denver's injury report with a hip issue midweek uh midweek Edition is never great all we can do is keep listening to the Broncos beat reporters and see what we see Pat fmuth as of my recording this has not been activated from IR just like those other guys but just like those other guys he's practicing so I think we expect activation to happen for Fri MTH uh in advance of this upcoming game against the Browns and Gerald Everett hasn't practiced yet this 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from your anxiety and depression with mind Bloom mind bloom.com harris1 100 promo code Harris 100 today's guest cuz I'm a sinner a home League winner I'll tell you what to pair with your dinner I'll steal your cheese plate and I'll run I'm a joker I lose it poker I'm a cocktail smoker don't invite me to a kids party not one he's a cocktail smoker but don't invite him to a kids party it's cousin Josh you can find him on Twitter Instagram and that's about it Twitter Instagram detective fish f i c hey cousin Josh how are you it's good you know I I haven't brought the cocktail smoker out in a while and when you buy one of these cocktail smokers they give you so many wood chips Chris to use in it and it's like you know Geor gets me like it's like four types of wood chips it's like Cherrywood and Maple and I will have this for the rest of my life and like there's no reason to have this many chips because when you're using it you put like I don't know a Sprinkle in and I'm just like I have I could make a fire with the amount of wood that I have here like if if I'm going to someone's place for a holidays Don't Buy Kindle I'll just bring over this and just pour it in it just it's so much wood chips well I mean it just means you're not smoking enough cocktails that's clearly the lesson here is you're not losing at poker enough and you're not uh smoking enough cocktails it's so funny that made the song Losing at poker because I I I could be wrong I don't remember anything but I think the only time we ever really talked about poker was when you visited Austin that time like so long ago like seven years ago I mean maybe even before I started the show or may no probably like right after I started the show and you came down for the winner like not for the winner but you know you visited for a week and we had a big poker game with all my friends down there and you didn't win that like you're good at poker but that story stuck with him yeah well apparently I'll I'll have that for the rest of my life I'm sure there'll be another song or two about that but yeah there you go all right well uh this is a huge huge moment obviously massive because uh we're here to do our trade deadline special in in in a lot of like uh you you know the standard settings of leagues at Yahoo or wherever else I don't know about ESPN I'm not sure about CBS to be honest but I'm assuming most places are about the same next week midweek is usually about when leagues are are uh have their deadlines La Liga we're a little later than that or the week after that how about your home League next week yeah yeah so I mean it's pretty standard that's why we do it you know we want to have you to do it you're on on Fridays so this is probably the last Friday before a lot of uh uh folks will do their trade deines now of course there's one more piece of data to come because before your deadline because there's one more game for all these teams or a lot of these teams um and so there will probably as we talk be times where you and I might say okay wait till after the game or you know whatever or do it before the game that that is actually relevant in terms of strategy um you know we both did uh players that we wanted to buy when we did the Huggies and baggies um I had Sequon Barkley as a as a by low that feels like you know when Daniel Jones got hurt and Tyrod Tyler got hurt that kind of feels like kind of went I I just bought Barkley in large I just bought him but I bought him real you know I bought him low because the other person's like yeah I don't believe anything good is going to happen and he might be right um I also however had ra Andre as a bold call Finishing top 15 the rest of the way since then he's already 11 I'm not saying I'm just saying you know another thing I wonder Chris during this do you think at any point you'll say not in my league do you think at any point Point that'll come up or no well we're in the same league so maybe not um uh you had a trash bag you thought would redeem himself in the second half Joe Mixon so that's pretty good and then you know Aaron Jones you said wasn't going to bounce back uh and then your lvp the rest of the way was DeAndre Swift so we'll see if some of these names come up I I stayed away from well Barkley I did buy low on Barkley but you got to buy pretty low and probably it's too late to to get the price that I would have wanted on Stevenson so those names aren't going to come up for me we're going to go back and forth It's kind kind of a uh a pointless countdown but uh you know whatever whatever order you want to go what's your number five um I guess we'll go with the cell since I'm pessimistic in life so um I'm curious for some reason I feel like you're GNA have this guy but I could be wrong we we almost talked about it a little before during our warm-ups you know you and I like to stretch and and shatter but um I know that Matthew Stafford is back now and Cooper cup you know what Chris he's been quiet for weeks Stafford's got the full practice in and he's ready to roll wrong so here's here's my feeling everyone on earth now has cut back in this week and and agree this is what you said a second ago I don't disagree that right now he's a wide receiver one you said it and you forget it you have to put him in one of that top 12 spots you picked them for a reason and it's great but I think we just saw what happens when Stafford goes down we already know cups had some injuries I just look at this and I'm saying I'm not taking like whatever you're going to throw at me to deal Cooper cup but I also know if I'm looking to win a title like the risk to have cup on your team right now when you know the Rams are sitting here at three and six what are they going to do if they're five- 10 with a couple of games left like are they really want to jump from that five pick to the nine like they understand how the NBA Works everyone in NFL is learning you sit your guys they're they're not feeling well they're hurt I just want to remove any risk of a Stafford or a cup injury as I head to the playoffs so that is my reason he is my first sell on here okay so uh yeah I'll uh I'll I'll say you know we'll try to gauge the not in my league you know try to gauge the price but like I think it's the most important thing is to put people heads in the head space of the players we're thinking about and I have to say cup didn't make my list as a sell in of himself however in some of my buys he is bait so I on the same page so there are a couple of running backs who were on buys this week and I also know that especially in my league there are people who are like four and six and you have bejan on a buy and I know he came off a nice a nice game but you might also have a desperate team who doesn't want to fall to four- seven so I think if you have the ability to go out and get a guy in a buy like a beon or a Taylor tremendous that to me is the pie in the sky now I'm also okay and this is going to get complicated so just stop me I am fine Step stepping down so to speak from a cup to someone like I don't know AO Samuel someone in that range that I like and maybe I add a lottery ticket like a sharpan a as well but if you want a one for one while I will go down to a running back how about you just give up cup and again I would wait till next week for someone like Pacho versus Philly so wait for the cup good game this week but I would take someone like Isaiah Pacho after this and maybe you get something else thrown in now you think probably selling a little too high on cup for Pacho but I would shoot for a running back higher the thing is I don't understand the market and like you know what I'm going to do I'm going to look at that Fant fantasy pros uh group link because you know we love fantasy pros we have Pat on this week like uh you know I I am interested in checking it out and they have Cooper cup 19 overall so like so like no I don't think you're wrong I I mean if that's how people are going to Value him that's why he's going to come up on M P's probably fine and you're right you want to wait past the Monday night game um but yeah like I think that's fine the the Debo and uh shanet thing I definitely think you'd get that done yeah again to me it's removing the risk I'm also a paranoid player like I've cashed my chips in maybe get the nice week this year he does his 110 this week 110 2 TDS you go this is great they're back hey you interested in taking Cooper cup off my hands right well if you you know if you would do samul and Sharon I think you would definitely get it done you know pending what Debo does cuz he hasn't done anything yet yet right he came back one game and didn't do a ton last week um all right so I have a buy at my five and I will say we're doing something a little different this time from our normal trade and it's because of akos who's a listener who's also a friend of mine who's on the yacht possum softball team here and he suggested that not only should we when we're buying not only should we say this is what we want to get away with this is the least we want to pay but we should also say the most we want to pay so I'm going to try to give kind of a range and of course that's tough to say that you understand what the range is based on me giving two sets of but like at least it's two data points for you to look at and as always I'll put all of our proposed trades on in the show notes so you can take take a look at them um I'm going to I'm going to this is uh buying a not great running back that nobody will be surprised about but I'm going to buy khil Herbert whom I like and who is coming back but hasn't played yet uh and you know he still has a bye which isn't great there's a bad Vikings game in there uh in two weeks that not great there's a bad Browns game the semi-finals of the fantasy like there's there's stuff wrong but that's okay because you know I think he's going to be cheap I don't think people are going to expect the moon for him if you want to trade for him this is like a minor more minor deal and if the if the 10% chance happens and he's a League winner then you know then we've done something good uh fantasy pros has him as their RB 40 rest of the season I have him 27 that's 998th overall for fantasy pros that's 75th overall to me I kind of feel like this is one where I don't need to be super specific about what to offer because you're not offering star players like this isn't a deal for Star players you know my I promise that when we get to my other buys they'll be higher tier um like I'll say the least I would pay like an extra receiver could I get khil Herbert for the neighborhood of like Maris Brown yeah I think you could I think people are so like yeah I don't know what's going on this team's bad Foreman's been going wild yeah who knows with Roshan I think that you can probably get that done and then the most I said was like uh an I don't know an extra running back can you think of a of a running back who you're you're kind of like well you know I was I was trying to put my my head around like um because my ranks are different than than the than the world's but like I'm gonna suggest Jerome Ford a bunch and I have nothing against Jerome Ford that's probably about the most I would pay and that's real he's a real player that's real I think a lot of people would say whoa you would give up Ford for him right because I feel like Ford's upside probably isn't great right now does that make sense to me like to you like KH Herbert's upside I'm saying like it's probably higher it's probably not that likely to work out but if it happens he's an rb1 by the end of the season you know I don't see a situation where Ford is more than like a annoying low-level orb2 Flex the rest of the season yeah I get it all right next on your list um we'll go I guess with Pat momes is he on yours he's not so you and I think have discussed this um Kansas City debacle a great length they were on a list last week I think of our surprises their offense seems broken I think we joked around and said if you didn't if you just started watching football now you'd say man do you take CJ stra or do you take momes like I don't know this Mahomes guy he really does some silly plays sometimes they don't go deep are you buying him or selling him I'm buying him I'm buying him now I have him down as a buy and look they're coming out of uh they're coming out of that bye and I think if you're going to make a play you have to do it now before they play the Eagles who have the second worst pass D bu statistics if you're making a shot at momes or Kelce in my opinion it has to be this week because we know what happens if they come out of the buy and you want to wait and see something and they throw out one of these 30 you know it's 3834 Mahomes 380 and four and kelse like goodbye that's it this is why I drafted them in round three or round one so I think the play has to come now um I just feel Chris that when the playoff comes you don't like drafting these guys that high although I've taken quarterbacks in most of my leagues but when you're in weeks 15 and 16 and 17 I feel so comfortable going into these playoff games when you have momes and Herz and Allen as opposed to like no that's cool you know I got the you know insert goof at like on the road and you're like I think it'll be good and then you finally get the eight-point game and you go yeah I'm out of the league it's over yeah so anyway here's my question to you I just mentioned this guy before can I can I give you a smoking red hot in the MVP discussion maybe CJ Stroud with a receiver like DeAndre Hopkins I mean hopkins's name is gonna come up yes yeah I bet that I bet that would get it done that's the get away with it that's the that's the low range of what you want to pay right yeah yeah now here's my next question yeah we just saw this guy explode again last week I own him in league if I said Justin Herbert do I have to add much to that like would I guess my question is would the person who has Mahomes just say I'm done with him or do I even have to throw in like I don't know an Adam thielen the Pickins like something like that or would that get it done um I don't know why they would take on the trouble of Herbert if you if they you know like Herbert has some of the same issues on occasion um how about the most you would pay what's the most you would pay for Mahomes so I tried to think about this because it's tricky when it's a quarterback so I'm like what type of running back or receiver like if I offered someone DJ more from momes I think given given the team's needs right they lucked into Stroud they have Mahomes and Stroud they're dead at receiver they really could use that high level wide receiver too I could see it working out yeah or again maybe I said him before maybe you have goth and Mahomes Maybe you have one of those quarterbacks you took in as your backup who consistently is putting up 20 to 25 points and you're like I'm fine using this just give me a wide receiver too for the rest of the year right uh all right I'll do a sell and he's a pretty good convenient mention DeAndre Hopkins I would sell him and I think it's just that I'm surprised what the market thinks of him I got surprised starting on Wednesday with Scott panowski he had him as wide receiver 16 for the week W um I'm looking at his Flex ranks at Yahoo you know I don't really believe in Flex ranks for you know one because I just think risk has to factor in um but Andy has Hopkins 30th among all players non non- quarterbacks in his Flex ranks this week Andy Barons like ahead of Garrett Wilson ahead of Terry McLaren ahead of DJ Moore ahead of a lot of good running backs fantasy pros has him wide receiver 25 the rest of the year I'm like you know it's the three touchdown game that's sticking in everybody's mind right and that the possibility that will Lis is is a more aggressive player and therefore even if it's not perfect for the Titans it could work out better for Hopkins I said it yesterday it just scared me I did him INF flexual healing like I it just scares me uh watching that last week like nope it didn't seem like it worked out at all like I'll tell you right now uh give me khil Herbert for DeAndre Hopkins straight up right now I would do it in a heartbeat you'd get that person would say send quick quick quick quick send it like you would get that done immediately I would do it I think name wrecking yeah ah I I yes I would do it and here's why the gar C at running backs like I think you have to take some shots now and if you miss I don't see Hopkins like you like I'm with you he's not in that Echelon of like wow I just gave up like a rock solid player I can count on every week like it just to me he's in that group of of you know 15 to 25 receivers where I don't feel amazing about and I feel like I can get you know Replacements relatively easy or or close to that 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but I I do like the Packers at home this week as disgusting as they are to watch and they hang around in these games but but they're three-point dogs at home versus the Chargers whose offense is just taking on you know some injuries it's also I like taking these games where someone flies West Coast to East Coast warm weather team goes into the cold you know that Wisconsin's not the East Coast though right but okay fine it's Midwest whatever you want to call they're going over multiple time zones Chris right they're not on Pacific Time like right now we're recording it's probably 6:00 a.m. for you and what 5:00 p.m. for me yeah exactly you're in Hawaii yeah so but I mean the chart I I said this on on the the YouTube the bonus episode which everybody should go look at youtube.com/ haris football um I said it too like the Chargers as a home as a road road favorite okay all right okay that's what you want to do but I don't think I would do it yeah and again a Green Bay hangs around they're home I feel like this is going to be one of these where it's halftime and it's like 17713 or 1613 and you're like huh and they're just they might even be up the Packers in Flatout win this but you can give me the Packers three-point home dogs versus the Chargers all right I I was on that side too uh you folks can find out all of the picks that Jim McCormick and I made uh at youtube.com/ Harris foot you're number three in this trade deadline special that you are recommending I guess I'll go with another person I hate on because that's what I do um I think I've made my hatred for this player um pretty obvious over the last few weeks years Raheem moer Chris I think the time has come is he on yours he's not he's not okay but he'd be more sell than buy for me but I I also think the market is kind of adjusting the thing is the market super seems super excited by hn returning right yeah so like again Devon hen's back this week we think we don't know what capacity but even without that or you know people are going to be incredibly happy that they have Raheem moard to me it's like you did a really nice job for me thank you and I will say admittedly I did this last year with Josh Jacobs on the show and I'm like thanks you've done your job now you can leave he went great like I know and he went crazy I say this and I don't know if Justin Richie who's in my home league is the one seed who's sitting there with Raheem moer and DeAndre Swift just playing with fire he just sits there laughing but I'm saying this like as someone who's the champion right now cut ties with this guy before it's too late I just think Chris like you've gotten what you've needed he's found money me honestly yeah you don't you don't need to explain it any further everybody everybody listening knows I'm what I'm interested in is what you think you can get for him because I think the it's been it's it the maybe the Market's starting to sour a little so here's my thing I think everyone goes to sleep at night dreaming of finding a way to get into that wide receiver tier which I know you're not getting the AJ Browns and the Diggs etc etc no correct so here's my thing of course you're going to shoot for that see if you can throw in an extra but if you can't I would like to drop down into that group of Brandon auk jayen Wadd which is like that High to lower tier and I think that's very reasonable and my reasoning again is I don't straight up though you so here's my question you think you don't think you can get that done or you think you the person should be paying more no I don't think you get that done I think I mean you know the thing that I'll say once again is that of all the people in the world who know the fantasy football trade market I might be the worst like I just don't pay that much attention to other people's ranks so when when I do these specials with you and I go go to fantasy pros and I see Raheem moer listed as the 51st overall player I go oh there's people out there telling you you know like they all have hn ranked higher for the rest of the season and the receivers you're talking about are like auk's 23 Waddles 28 like I thought you were going to pair him with a receiver so here's the other thing I'll say there's guys I don't want to name yet but without spoiling my my my my top person but I'll say I think you can find yourself in that realm like I work my way down into the auk into wad into Deo what I'm getting at is that good receiver 2 class in your league I'm telling you this Chris as in I'm in a league where there's a lot of teams depleted at running back and while they may not think the most you know pun intended of mostard you can probably go ahead and get a receiver off their team just because there's people who are literally starting like I'm starting chuba hubard every week like I'm just sitting there going oh guess so so ex like this is definitely should almost go without saying but let's say it like for sure you know just because I'm I'm kicking a little bit of a you know fit saying no you can't get that not my league like that doesn't mean somebody shouldn't try it I 100% agree with you there let me ask you though that if I assume that you wouldn't let adding a I don't know uh the Jordan Addison typ player and most I don't think Addison I think it's too high I me just be worried that Jefferson hurts himself again I think I want to hang on to Addison but I mean Drake London you know somebody usable some receiver that's that's usable that's fine like that wouldn't stop you from doing from getting auk for you know if you had to throw in uh someone like that with most I don't I don't think so because I think like you just said there's that group of receivers who are all in that same class and like yeah you know what I I give up Drake London but like isn't tank Dell and ni Collins and all of those players kind of in like that same group of like not saying get him off the waiver wire but it seems like a lot of people have those types of players as their fourth receiver and if I'm going from Drake London to one of those guys I don't think you're losing much if you need to go ahead and upgrade somewhere else all right agreed all right so I have a bu here uh it's a slightly bigger name you may know him as uh the in Cima but in fact his name is actually Alvin Cima um since he's back he's uh PPR rb2 mhm uh since he's in standard rb4 since he's back and yet fantasy pros consensus is calling him the RB 13 the rest of the way and uh that made me think I value Alvin cerra maybe more than the market does um so so I don't need to sell people on the notion of Alvin cerra I guess maybe if you want to buy him the thing to pitch is like if it's jamus will he be 700 one yard check Downs to Chima it could get bad could get ugly tesm Hill steals a lot of stuff and truly it's actually true but show me the wart free players you know show me the guys I don't have worries about I'll take Alin CRA so I'm going to I'm going to picture the least I think I might be able to get with you get away with you tell me whether you think it could get it done I'm trying not to be well how about this Cooper cup straight up for Chimera yes no cima's on a buy right now or he's back I forget C the Saints are on a bu this week yeah I think that gets it done for this week like because someone might need a player now so that's that's that's on the lower side I think Fair like cuz like you say Wonder back much more scarce than wide receiver how about I'm going to try to do ponies for a horse even though one of the ponies is a horse you love DK medf how about metf and I'm I don't mean to pick on Jerome Ford I don't view him as a must cell but he's in that range of running backs that if I'm upgrading from Ford to Chima I realize that's a big upgrade and I need to make a CH you know I need to add something in so again this is the I'm on the lower end here metf and Jerome Ford for cimera yeah on his bye I think you get that done I think there's a lot of people yeah I think it's close yeah look I think there's a lot of people and I know this cuz I'm watching I just saw bejan Robinson get traded in my league like I see I'm seeing a lot of these players all right let me tell you about the most so like that that wasn't enough to get it done it might not be how about how about how about David Montgomery and Devonte Smith yeah that's getting it done if you're combining one of those running backs with a good receiver you're getting that done for Alvin CH on his bu and wouldn't you think that it's worth it if you were the person getting Camaro wouldn't you like that deal as long as you could afford as long long as you could afford to lose Devonte Smith I mean that's a hard thing to lose right I have an uncomfortable um life well CRA too I've had him for two years and like I've been punished when he doesn't score the touch I I can't watch this so you're asking the wrong guy but if I was objective yeah again I'm looking to set myself up let's move yeah let's move on uh because I because I get your point I totally get your point all right so we're down to your number two I got John Taylor on here Chris buy him you're buy I'm gonna buy him I'm gonna buy him and look I think we're back to where we would have been with him as a lottery pick so to speak the way you know what his what his fantasy pros rank is overall I'm going to go ahead and guess that he is six three oh baby now I don't now here's what I'll say in a redraft he's not going three but he's around one pick I don't agree I don't know I mean not he wouldn't be that high for me the you know I'm I'm nervous about all of it like I don't think the Colts is a very good environment He's on by this week like yeah that's you're my point just being I'm I'm sure you're right you don't have to sell us on Taylor just tell us the compensation because because it's GNA have to be a lot right what's the give me the least version First the least version I put in here is DeAndre Swift okay and I wrote Jordan Addison like I think that's a reasonable offer for a guy in a buy right now what's the most and then here is the question if I would actually put this into someone's box like I wrote down Swift and would I do Keenan or is that too much like now you're really like that's that scares me a little but like I'm in that realm of like I'm not sure I would go Keenan Allen and Swift because like again that's like a Godfather offer maybe you're someone who has you know you you drafted Keenan in the fourth or third whatever it was but you also happen to have like you doubled up and you went lamb and Diggs which like you know I had a similar team to that so maybe you want to do that but I think under that like the Swift and Wadd the Swift and auk like that is a very realistic offer to get Jonathan Taylor then I'm not gonna write in the notes Allen if you don't want to make that deal if you think that's too much you can give me Swift with either Wadd or auk yeah yeah yeah yeah okay I mean that's more of a Godfather you know the Godfather offer I agree is that Keenan Allen that gets it done I think Swift and wle probably gets it done too obviously you know the person who's trading Taylor knows that they could have a League winner by the T but Swift has been good you know little bit diminishing returns but yeah I it's it's a I'm it's a good range I think it's funny that Swift is both your least and your most it's pretty funny all right my two uh I have another cell um I'm gonna sell Bree Hall wow how do you feel about that I mean I'm in love with them so I'm listening you are wow all right maybe I should sell them to you unfortunately I don't have him in La Liga um fantasy Pro consensus rank says Hall is rb4 RB before Josh or before on the Jets what is that insane or is that insane it's it's a little high for my taste again I like him but I don't like him as wide wide receiv running back four so he's five overall in their in their consensus rest of the season ranks I have him RB 13 I feel like putting in RB 13 is generous he's really good I mean he can make a big play there's no question but it you know this is he finding it hard to run right now yeah you know what happens when your quarterback Zack Wilson the last four weeks he's RB 23 since he's made a big play made hadn't made a big play in four weeks you know hadn't scor a touchdown on a big play in four weeks so like I mean if you're telling me Al like Alvin chra is ranked like significantly behind him I will take who who would you rather have rest of the year even including the bye this week Cima or Beall I would rather have Hall I'm being serious but I see what can go wrong I see I see why you said that I see it I get it because CRA isn't the Like Home Run threat you're not going to get the 80 yard run out of CRA that you are going to out a hall and those sometimes can win you he he goes on a on a heater right um although he has the Browns in the final I looked at that jet schedule already I know it's really really rough I mean it's not too bad until the last one I don't I'm not that afraid of who like Buffalo Miami twice Houston Washington I'm Not Afraid any of those guys but but I don't like Cleveland um here's what I'd love to do though what I'd love to do with Bree Hall if if the people in your league feel about Bree Hall the way you do I want to get mcaffrey for him I want to package him with something a real I'm on Ross St Brown Hall and I'm on ra St Brown from mcaffrey yeah send it if you were in My League by the way and I own mcaffrey I would say send it over to me and I would take I'm on R Brown I swear and brle and go enjoy Chris sure but like you like I I do it because I can afford to do it at receiver I I I recognize that I'm you know it's it's it's horses for a bigger horse but like mcaffry is the League winner mcaffry is the one we would do anything to get mcaffry on team and I'm saying that's the kind of thing that I would do you yeah I mean I like those two that's like that's that's two horses for Secretariat I mean like gu yeah I mean I don't think you but you get my point maybe that isn't the right combo of guys but but you know you should be if you're going to sell Hall I I say only sell him if if you can really get a lot all right your number one potential trade deadline deal I don't know man and maybe I'm on an island of my own and I will continue to pound the drum and it has nothing to do with because I'm so envious of DK meda's body Chris but like I'm telling you man I will continually and I will ride him into the ground I have in my home League people ask about him I go can't get him I go and any League any League I would go out and get him I just think and I know you watch these games you have to it's just part of Chris Harrison who you are the the professor the Headmaster whatever they're calling you these days the lack of production ction from DK to me and I've seen at least two or three of these games is more of a Gino Smith issue it's a little bit of bad luck who plays quarterback for Seattle again though Gina Smith man dream a dream like listen I I mean we're GNA run short on time and we don't need to spend a long time we understand first of all why you like DK so much and then also clearly you know we see what could go right you know this is a cold streak and and you're saying buy relatively low on DK nobody needs to have it explain to them why he's low so I'm this is I love the fact that we're doing thank you Akash I love the fact that we're doing least and most cu the least I know you're gonna come up with like a you know kind of like a little weasly offer and we'll see if we like it what's your Le here's my weasel offer tank Dell and jayen Warren I'm a weasel yeah I don't think that gets it done do you probably not no but I've seen I saw tank D Miley go for locket so yeah it could happen all right so what I really want to know is the most what's the most you would pay to get MF does James Conor do it no does well again you and I think different of what these running backs are worth so you would say that a a Conor or James Cook wouldn't get it done um it like I mean for my the way I think about metf like metf has fallen in my in my ranks I looked I looked yeah yeah so like for me I think I would probably consider it especially if I'm getting any PPR um and and honestly I probably feel better about cook you know I probably think like I I would love to do it for cook but you probably I think people would value at this point don't you think they'd value Connor more uh given what Buffalo is starting to do in their back field but uh I just don't think the market is going to agree with us on Connor like I've just been higher on Connor all year I've I'm higher on him this week we talked about it with Scott it just feels like I think you're going to have to especially that can't be the most that you would offer that can't be the most like this is where I get to where I'm like at what point is it become risky like does Devon Anan coming back now like is that a risk to go out and get DK doing that it's a risk yeah you could wind up eating it but that's the question for you who wants DK I don't really feel great about trading DK you're sitting on Anan he's found money you're okay at running back and the Medcalf owner comes to Callin are you willing to pay that price I understand it's going to hurt that's the whole point of the the most that you would trade yeah I think it comes down your team I'm also higher on DK I love that playoff schedule which is which is a joke it's you know it's Philly it's Titans it's Pittsburgh like you you can light up those those past these and I know that we don't think too much about that or you try not to I do but I just think that yeah it's fine I'm asking you though I'm asking you because you're the one who for this podcast I'm putting in the show notes the most you would pay for medf would you do hn for you I don't think I do him I think I do Brian Robins I think I would do Brian Robins oh why'd you bring him up I don't know I'm throwing it out there we're having a great time you can give me Brian Robinson I would pay off off a nice game last week on a long te dat I mean it's fair I I would probably take Robinson that on that side of the deal so um but I don't think it's dumb you know it's like again this is this is the point of this part of the exercise give us the most right the the one that hurts the one where you don't feel like you're ripping the guy off with tank Dell and Jaylen Warren you feel like you're ripping the guy off yeah yeah uh all right my last one no one's going to be surprised people have been waiting for it uh um I've been hinting at it all week I would buy Tony Pard buddy I I I I'm actually aligned with fantasy pros we have them exactly the same we both have them 16th overall we both have them rb9 but I look at everybody else's rank this week against Carolina Barons has him rb19 peski has him RB 17 I have to believe there are people out there who want out from under Tony po they don't want to take the chance that it's just done that there's something wrong that he's just become incapable right and I don't know it's a big risk to do it it's a it's a big risk I get it I do get to buy low you have to admit I do get to buy low he was dealt in my league this week so I'm listening to what you have to say I'm just trust my eyes I'm trusting my eyes and I'm going to hope that I'm right I'm not always right for sure uh okay so the least I want to do if I'm going to do ponies for a horse in the least side uh I'm gonna do how about Kiren Williams and Christian Kirk no um I I think you gotta go a little bit higher than kir Williams well the thing is yeah I mean Kyon Williams is people are like is beloved but he's not playing this week so that is fair that I I was pretty low how about how about Jerome Ford and Christian Kirk I think that's a low offer maybe someone is just completely sad but maybe I mean I think he probably got to go a little higher okay do do you value tank Dell as much as you value Kirk I value Kirk more okay all right well these are the low-end offers that I would make we let's get to the real business which is how about uh I mean I would do cup would that get it done I mean you're to the thing I think about is I'm Pard I'm a Pard owner I spent my round one pick on him I want someone who I feel safe about at receiver I feel like how about Mike Evans I don't think I'm so bad with the PO stuff I don't think it gets done I think you got to still go into that group of like the Keenan like I almost think you got to get to that point so I guess I wouldn't do it then I mean it doesn't feel like at that point you're buying low feels like that's the price he should cost if he was playing well that if he was like the rb8 which he is definitely not that's the price you would pay so I just I I guess I just don't agree but I I respect your your sense cuz your par was just traded what was he traded for in your league Bean straight up on the buy so the person saying I'm done with it just give me bejon on the bu I don't want anything to do with po anymore I mean I consider that to be a lesser offer I I would prefer Evans to Bean I guess depends on what you need position wise but I sure if you want to like I don't think that's a no-brainer because if I'm wrong about Pard and I very well could be beon could explode but like I mean you're you're selling low on bejon too right he's he's a little better last week but um so okay I mean if you think that's I think offering Mike Evans uh is like a better offer than beon frankly but doesn't matter doesn't matter what I think like we're just putting it this is the range that we would want to pay uh to to get Pard and and no I don't think I would pay Keenan Allen I think that's too high I think that's the price I would pay if he was if Pard have been playing well and clearly he's not been paying well playing well um I had a couple honorable mentions um selling courland Sutton even though I don't know if people can be tricked by stats but if there's anyone in your league that could be tricked by stats not that I feel like it's a must sell but just like I might kick the tires um I was thinking of maybe buying Stefan Diggs because again the fantasy pros rank is low people are getting scared I feel like this could be the the only moment but then again that's a bad schedule to bills they have the Jets this week and a few weeks they have the Chiefs and after that they have the Cowboys these are not defense pass rushes that you want to be and then the Eagles are is in there too like you can usually throw against Eagles but it's a hard pass rush so I almost thought about it um any honorable mentions for you you know I put him on rossan Brown on there as a buy but it's just I've liked him all year I almost picked him in round one this year but it was just ridiculous um I just think he's safe you know what you're getting out of that Detroit team I'm trying to get teams I know there's stability on players I should say stability mention he's stability but it's just exp he's expensive as hell right he's be expensive as hell yeah I tried to think about the tight ends and I'm just like I know we already kind of discuss the Chiefs so it's it's yeah I didn't want to put that on there all right well I hope folks find this interesting put all the names as best I could process them as we were talking into the show notes and uh Josh will be back uh early next week because there's no show Thursday and Friday so on Wednesday you're going to get cousin Josh and probably just going to talk about week 12 ranks with him he can rip apart my ranks which is always fun to have Josh well done my friend thank you for doing it find uh Josh on Twitter at detective fish f c bye-bye it's a cheery way for Josh to say goodbye uh thank you for listening 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