at least in in my liking and you're the expert here he decisively lost it he might have made some very good presentations on where the economy was but it was all over the map and this is that first occasion where it wasn't just a close call it it it was a lopsided one wasn't even a close call hi again everybody your eyes do not deceive you it's 5:00 in New York and those are words the ex president cannot handle quote he decisively lost Donald Trump hated hearing that from Neil kabudo over at Fox so much he attacked the Fox News anchor in a social media post last night calling him one of the worst on television but Neil kabudo is not alone in that assessment of Trump's debate performance even at Fox even among places typically solidly friendly to the ex president New York Times reports this quote several Trump allies and advisers who spoke to the New York Times anonymously said they saw the night as a colossal m opportunity Trump had one overriding goal for the evening to force Miss Harris to own her leftwing policy record and to attach her in voters Minds to the most unpopular aspects of the Biden Harris record instead he found himself defending many of his decisions and past positions while spreading unfounded claims about immigrants eating pets indeed it appeared as the New York Times reports that quote Mr Trump snagged himself on every trap Miss Harris laid out for him and he showcased how he is becoming more and more completely beholden to fringy far-right influences and conspiracy theorists new reporting in the Atlantic explores how Trump has quote exhibited himself as someone who is not simply on the internet but as someone who is of the internet in real life he speaks in posts emblematic of the terminally onlineon is a figure who is dear to much of the online far right for his moves to erode Hungarian democracy but who is likely not a well-known figure to most voters transgender operations for illegal aliens in prison is a phrase chat GPT would spit out if you fed it right-wing posts and ask it to parody them Haitian immigrants eating people's pets in Ohio is a hallucination that was born on the right-wing internet as well that last claim is one spread online by prominent farri conspiracy theorist Laura lomer who we know traveled with Donald Trump on his plane to the debate she also accompanied him yesterday to an event at a New York City Fire Station commemorating the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attack there's one problem with that just last year Laura lomer called 911 an inside job she's a 911 truther on Sunday she posted a racist tiate against vice president president KLA Harris it was so racist and offensive that we've made the decision not to platform it and and show it to you and even staunch Trump Ally and farri extremist herself margorie Taylor green called lumer out for it and we only tell you that to answer the question how bad was it it was so bad Marjorie Taylor green was offended now with just uh two months left to go before election day it is people like Laura lomer who were driving the Trump train R and it's where we start the hour with some of our favorite reporters and Friends NBC News correspondent Von Hillyard is in Tucson Arizona for us where Trump is holding a rally today supposed to be about the economy we're going to keep an eye on that for you plus former Republican Congressman MSNBC political analyst David Jolly is here Democratic strategist and professor at Columbia University MSNBC political analist basil schichel back and the editor at large for the 19th the host of the podcast the amendment and MSNBC political analyst Aaron Haynes is back uh Von hilard I start with you um I wonder who thinks this is working it's a good question Nicole um I think for Donald Trump he thinks it's working and I think that that is how this campaign is operated and when we're looking at how his co- campaign managers and Senior advisers have postured themselves towards Donald Trump it has been through ensuring that they are not acting as Gatekeepers to him we have seen in past administration officials come and go he fires them that hasn't been the case this go around and that's because they have not obstructed anybody who wants to get the ear of Donald Trump from getting the ear of Donald Trump and if Donald Trump says that he wants Laura Lumar on his plane Laura Lumar is on his plane and I think that this is a moment where you kind of see the Nexus of even 12 years if I may of conspiracy theories and Donald Trump's flirting with them and outright Embrace of them coming to a head mere weeks before early ballots go out and I think that Arizona you could say it's quite fitting to be here because right as we were coming to air folks were giving a round of applause and standing ovation to carry Lake as she entered of course she's running for the Senate but there's another notable figure In This Very Room this theater where I'm at where Donald Trump is set to take this page and that's Joe RPO Joe RPO who sent his posi so called posi members from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office 12 years ago to Hawaii to investigate the birtherism claims surrounding Barack Obama's birth at the same time that Donald Trump was calling heightened attention nationally to that very issue 12 years later the two men are here on the cusp of potentially winning the White House here yet again and for what consequence will Donald Trump lost in 2020 but for both of those men they are still greeted by rounds of Applause standing ovations there is a base of support that has been propagated by right-wing media from Charlie Kirk to J Jack bobic who gave uh perpetuated and elevated the conversation around the quote pet eating and Laura lomer whose hundreds of thousands millions of followers are are all but legitimized by the former president of the United States Donald Trump who talks about them he's praised them from the stage and I think that the question here is at this point in time just how many people in this country follow the uh propagation of these types of conspiracy theories we saw them rejected in 20 2020 we saw them rejected in 2022 the question here is in the weeks ahead as those mail and ballots come out is Will crowds outside of this room of course but will crowds those independent voters will they reject those types of things that are coming out of the words of the Republican nominee Nicole I mean to surround yourself with someone so crazy that marjerie Taylor green is mad and attacking you um tell me if there campaign is still about getting more votes than kamla Harris or if this is a different project well I I think that this is I think that there's two things happening there's a campaign happening and then there is another Power Dynamic which is simply a movement and those who are seeking power within it right Marjorie Taylor Green speaking out against Laura lomer who has plain access it's flying around with him to a debate to 911 ceremonies and frankly the only two people who have publicly within the Republican ring spoken out against Laura lumer associating with Donald Trump's are Marjorie Taylor green who over the course of 24 hours led lumer to go on a a mass posting on social media attacking Marjorie Taylor green as anti-semitic attacking her family the other person was a republican uh member of Congress who came out and said that she was trouble and Donald Trump shouldn't associate with her and in turn Laura lomer just this afternoon openly to her massive followers suggested that this member of Congress is gay suggesting that he needs to come out of the closet and that is why people are fearful of Laura lomer and Donald Trump and his campaign despite a a flurry of officials from NBC us reaching out asking there was any effort to disassociate the two or to push her away or make her sure she was not on the plane there has been silence and that is why Laura lomer continues to see an ally in Donald Trump and frankly until we hear other wives from the Republican nominee I I I think that we are watching unfold in real time a power Dynamic that is taken over a Republican party elections aside even if he loses this is a conversation that is going to be taking place about a hundreds of million dollar uh organization that happens to be a political party that's really really dramatic and really nuanced and really important