De Beer: Silence is treason

[Music] it's the first Sunday of spring and it is the Sunday show with Neil deir the president of the United independent movement welcome Neil y good day on this Sunday but might I tell you if you were a beer last night you were in trouble because I think after that rampy game against the all black Booker Booker country was green but I think the beers suffered what a victory again showing what sport can do to take away all the darkness and United countries on the springb team wow what a great game and look forward to next Saturday where we hope we unite again as a country gang from the light to the darkness Neil the VBS Bank Scandal has jumped parties I see it's gone from the economic freedom fighters and by extension MK to thec and to no person other than the Minister of Justice I mean Chris this is the Minister of Justice so you've got to understand Tempi and kadim is the Minister of Justice that that must be fundamentally a earth shattering shock that should send cold spells down any person's spine to just imagine that a minister took an oath to uphold protect and defend the Constitution but goes further and is the person who must Implement that as the Minister of Justice and is now being told that when she was the mayor of mam municipality allowed that municipality against contrary to any ministerial or Municipal Finance act put money into VBS and undoubtedly the rumor now is that she got a 529,000 r kick to put it into a coffee shop and until today which is now a week and a half later she cannot produce the loan document she couldn't say how she paid that loan back and she's still sitting in her seat now in the only manner in this country we would go here we go again but if she was not the Minister of Justice then we would say yes here we go again but Chris this is this is crazy that Minister who has a insult into the HS into the Judiciary into investigations actually currently is now being investigated so much to the point that I hear last week the president actually asked her to send a report on these accusations in a normal country Chris where I would call it justice Paradise as an individual I would have had the honor to get up and say Mr President the mere accusation of this would let me ask that I please stand down until everything on this matter is cleared but obviously this does not fit into her principle this does not fit into the story book line it seems of thec and of this government of past and this is a thing that we will have to look at and say the pot kettle black the people are sitting there and they are supposed to be the Judiciary uh Chris shocking and we must not let the story go and we must continue making sure that this process is followed no matter what I'm just wondering Neil about another minister of the minister of Correctional Services do you think he will be a lot stricter with medical paroles because I've just been thinking about how miraculously some terminally ill people have survived um I'm thinking of shabir shik in particular um I think he's been terminally ill for about 15 years I mean he was two years into a 15 um year sentence for a an allegedly corrupt payment to former president Jacob Zuma when um he was too ill to continue with his sentence now Prof president Zuma himself was two months into a 15mon sentence for contemp of Court when he was given medical parole and there the two of them are at MK I think I think again only in South Africa you you know I call them The Walking Dead I'm absolutely Pro anybody that gets told that you are terminally ill and you give that life a good run for their money I'm one of them by the way so there are times that when you classify yourself or get classified as terally that you are then going to give it a go the problem is that terminally ill is linked to custodianship custodial where you have got to go to jail and the reason shabir Shay only served two years of a 15year sentence is because in 2009 his medical officer said that this man's about to die now if you look back at 2009 and the massive rockus that was brought out about the uh weapon Scandal the deals that were going on the bribes that were paid and may I say on record it wasn't rumored that shake benefited Zuma it was the Judgment it was clear from that judge in that judgment when he found shabir shik guilty sentenced him to 15 years that verbatim the words of the judge was that they was a clear a very clear onto relationship between shabir shik and zul on the basis of there was definitely corruption there was definitely criminality it's in a judgment so the fact that shabir is still walking around now and we used to laugh about it that every month we see him on the golf course we see him quite I think petal who has absolutely started to like fires in the department of directional Services I would say that all those kinds of cases where people were given parole because that falls under the ambient not just of justice but correction services that in my opinion they should also be reviewed right now so if Peter except for the work that he's currently doing to eradicate all the problems could review those Walking Dead then maybe we would have a bit more confidence in retrospec of Justice than just what we are dealing with now but it is a slap in the face to everybody that these people did not see the end of their Justice term because they were so cordial meanwhile there's been another dramatic shootout between police and wanted criminals this time in the Western Cape Neil for dead for seriously wounded and um it's been a trend since the election this tougher stance from the police against criminals apparently this was an intelligence-driven operation because I want to make it very clear there are many people that sit on Facebook many people that type and tipic and say that this is their opinion very few people and I'll make this very clear very few people understand what the operational scenario is when you get into a point where there is exchange of gunfire I've been there there are very few in this country that have but many in that fi have also experienced so I want to make it very clear I'm not speaking from a social media point of view I have shot and been shot this is not something that can be dictated from an armchair only when you get to the point where you stand at that minute sometimes a mere second where you have to make a decision fight or flight now you can see clearly more and more people are asking why are people being killed in police exchange of fire now I make it clear I don't think the attitude is that we do not want to see the full circle of justice one wants someone to pay for the crimes that he or she has committed but they can and I make it clear there can never be a millisecond in this country where we condone endorse or support the fact that a criminal who makes a clear decision to resist arrest and to fire upon police can be led to be doing such an act the only response to that is to return fire and protect the life and limb not only of a police officer but those whom are around it now in Cape toown recently in molan we had a a position where people got intelligence that extortionists were going to go out there and they were going to cause bodily harm they were tracked they were cornered and they decided in the middle of a town to open fire the police shot for wounded for the previous week Kaa shot again the previous week Durban shot again I think there's an attitude shift if I you can see there's a clear attitude shift on the controlling command of the police and I fully endorse it because I have been there can and that's not going to happen and if we can have that attitude although it is not palatable it's not but until you have not stood there and found lead whizzing past your head then at the end of the day you cannot be 100% right in your opinion go stand there get in the boot sit in that van and be fired upon this is not right so I think we should stop this scenario of complaining and saying that the police are brutal they're not brutal they are just being just that's my opinion and there's many cont do that but I don't like the people that sit there and have never ever worn that uniform saying that there's an ulterior way to dodge an AK bullet in the middle of the day and there seems to be a clearer link now between intelligence and police actions let us just go to the mapu longa military training camp what is the latest yeah there was an old saying silence only stretches as long as the payment continues uh I always say when you stop Bing people they get nasty and then the tongues start to work and it seems that in that Saga the M Camp it seems that new new information is coming out from within so the latest alleged info is that the people that were trained the quickly exited libyans were absolutely military orientated that they were rumors that amongst them they were members of Isis and that clearly the instructors that were put day were changed at one stage to upgrade them to people of exmilitary personnel this comes through a source that spoke this week and this now brings another scenario to the question not the illegal training not the illegal parameters of how it was from a security to military process not the failure of s that could not keep control and not the fact that the people were currently being abused in that scenario it now must be on the centerpiece of the Hawks and I understand they there of who not just of the instructors the camp owners and the security entity who allowed that process to allow that now clearly people that were brought here for military process could get here through so many loopholes and until we don't know the who the where the what the why and the way I don't think we as South Africans could rest and feel at ease and there's another scenario CH that another Camp has been found uh people are now leaking that information and I understand it is in the western co uh and that process is now also being followed we as normal South Africans already facing horrendous crimes in this country to couple this now with people that are in our visible areas of residence also now being trained to handle guns and commit Terror it's unacceptable but I see we are cracking down and that is at least the light at the end of the T well it's not only the police that have taken a tougher stance since the election you I see there's an increasing Crackdown on illegal immigrants not only from home Affairs but in the Metros as well and to the extent that many are returning to their almost fleeing to their home countries yeah this is this is again something that has got nothing to do with race it's not xenophobia it's not a country as I said it's not an individual this should be about the law now I get many comments people comment now on email now that they got by email to give me some little sets of info and some comments and I love it and CH we can post it afterwards uh N 1@gmail.com I love the comments and the suggestions and one of them was from a gentleman that said Neil you are right it's got nothing to do about your race religion Creed or country it's about the possible and I see more and more the minister of Home Affairs Dr Leon sh saying that we cannot just look at one aspect V visas visas is a fifth of the total circle of insuring that our borders are protected that's point one in other words secure the border and we are doing that and there must be more the military should get it and we should we should put an ironclad do around the country's borders secondly those that are inside illegally should then be expelled but it doesn't help that you continue throw them out and then they just swim the river so we've got to do this all simultaneous we've got to strengthen the Border tighten the grip at every exit and entry point ensuring that the people that come in are legal get rid of the people in the country that are illegal ensure then that we've got tighter restrictions on qualification of entry and number five it eradicate and Blacklist any person that is caught in this country that has committed a crime is deported to never enter this country again I think if we do that then we at least are starting to take a grip of a matter that we cannot deny was out of control and was causing major ruption in this country and that's it the law is the law and we should enforce the law Neil before I talk to you about our ESO is I quickly want to take you to Tuan where the Democratic Alliance mayor has been fighting the Battle of his life you are a big supporter of his what can you tell us yeah again I think I think people always say to me why do I speak good of s BR well I know him it makes it easier and the fact that I'm not within the same political Fray or mentality means that I'm saying to you that you can see for the past two weeks that mayor has fought for his life he's escalated social media briefings he's proof of what he's doing and the you know it seemed that the guy at the end of the day was starting to plead with this country not to remove him because that removal would set everything back that he did now there is a massive upswell new in support of s Ted the party up and an attack on removing now the interesting thing actions the RO players Herman mashawa Michael bont and and and and he's exited took the ston to say that we are going to be part of the removal Chris what that thing caused on X Twitter on all of those social media platforms was a negative regurgitation against actions I think more than what they expected I think now when you see what's happening that every post from actions is being met with vile where they are saying but you are treasonous we voted for you to keep thec out so now what's happening is the vote of no confidence was stayed off on Friday selia went to court that's the one thing and secondly the people thec the actions say the people they withdrew that motion of no confidence on Friday it doesn't mean it's and then this morning we are now learning from inside sources that there's also not 100% cohesion in actions a to do what they were going to do so so obviously I hope that sanity will prevail because at the end of the day it's not about one of these B Parts it's about Service delivery to the citizens that staying 20 and if they can focus on that which they find very difficult you know it's like the most disciplined dog in the world will sit at your at your knees but when you take the tennis ball it goes so your problem is it seems that if everything is okay and we disciplined and whatever we just as a political P clay God help ourselves when greed and power comes to ourselves so I pray that that sanity will prevail and there will be a change and that we can continue not with s here per but with the effective it of an individual's attitude Chris to perform and to bring change in May I say if that attitude could go and and flow into all our public servants attitude we have a better quite Neil I've been meing to ask you your opinion where are our s OES now m i i i someone said to me what does that word mean I said coffee because you know in the olden days we used to take beans cook the living yell of it and that that was left was called M so I don't say to a person your M I'm actually inviting you to coffee so so beautiful so so a person has to say at one stage every day every week every paper every news clip was about the total demise of s soe and you remember the honorable minister provin I used to call him hord hordan because he used to hide behind just absolutely battered it wasn't a one day day and night seemed that he stretched the test wickets when the implosion of SAA happened when the absolute disruption of denell one of the best Armament entities ever created in the world totally kaps and got stared by Gupta when we saw portnet haret spet rainet bnet all crumble and fall and we actually saw the total demise of what was once the pride and prowess of our country suddenly there were now scenarios of we are selling sa8 we are now going to look and revamp the N we are going to try and save the harbors and the ports they still haven't be the total eradication of the escom structure was for one as you will remember the biggest irk of this country now Chris I'm asking myself am I back in La culle it's as if it's just disappeared all the charges all the Looting all the destruction all the ghost workers all the money that was looted all the problems with these s o e is now not even discussed it's as if we've just moved on now my opinion is G billions and G trillions of your and my money went in there our savings Our Lives Equity went in there and I'm just amazed that those are state funded entities in other words paid for by the taxpayer and we are hearing absolutely nothing and in my opinion because it's government owned govern government fund and it was so wrecked and rude it is as if silence is treason to the people now I don't want this to go I want to know what are we going to do with the S so what is the plan and what is the benefit to me the taxpayer to continually fund entities that was so destroyed that we don't even talk about it we we cannot let that off the radar we mustn't forget as the people what was done to us what needs to be done and how do we correct it meanwhile president s Rapa uh is paying another visit to China and I see Democratic Alliance Minister Dean mcferson is very excited to be on that J yeah they're going to China I hope they get a takeaway I I I I I I find it amazing how enemies using so much vile and poison pre an election can then sit down and probably spent 18 hours on an aircraft winking at each other and sharing a Duma well they're not the only ones and I'm sitting and I'm going really and not only that going over there looking at your peing duck but now sitting at the same moment and seeing the honorable minister minister of Agriculture John deia John Stein is going and having a meeting with the exact human being whom four months ago he stood with a pile of Dockers in public and saying that Paul mail is a criminal he's a he's a criminal and he did this and he did that and he did this and then they have they have tea they actually sit there and they sit and look at each other in this manner what the hell this is the thing Chris that makes me at anytime as a person that's not been in politics long and that understands now the two and throw this is what amazes is the power in politics of politicians to at one moment want to incarcerate destroy and throw the key on and at the next moment you are asking Two Sugars in a milk I'm sorry these are just people that are probably better than me because if I knew who you were I fought to get Justice done I am never going to relinquish that I don't care for what amount of money I don't care who your lensy sh you both equip me if if you're a criminal if I know you are you must go to jail and the fact that they can one month say jail and in the another month go mock I don't get it I don't get it and um well this is probably politics quite Neil just when we think we've seen it all South Africa's politicians have a power to surprise us over and over again that was Neil deir the president of United independent movement speaking to Biz news after another interesting week in South African politics and I am Chris stain thank you Neil thanks Chris [Music]