Vuelta A España 2024 Week 2 Recap | THEMOVE

my entire family by the way is asleep so I've been yeah you've been relegated to the back patio I've been relegated to the garage and poor Johan has been relegated to a mansion in my Orca God poor guy hey hey once in a while we have to be like George you know once in a while we have to to taste the The yearlong Life of George yeah you're you're channeling your George well good morning everybody welcome back to the Move podcast talking about the tour of Spain recapping week number two of course uh and I'm frankly quite surprised I'm joined look at over there Mr George hppy George I was worried uh it's an ear it's early on Labor Day I know I know how y'all roll out there at the lake in graville but uh yeah it's it's nice to see you up and Adam I was just happy to get a response from you you know it's nice to say hey I can only do it this time in the morning I said whatever it takes to make the team happy I'll be ready had a boy a boy and Yan look looks like you're still living your best life down there in tomorrow tomorrow it's finished tomorrow back to Madrid back to reality yeah well I'll tell you what is the reality is the reality is uh Ben o Conor's lead in this tour of Spain which has been the it's what we debated last week you know can he hold on we're going to get into all that I did catch some of yesterday's stage um and I was boy we we've talked about this before is that the way cycling today has to be hard enough and selective enough that the end of that the final climb was just oh brutal I mean they they they could barely stay on their bikes yeah nasty we'll get into all the action but uh before we do Today's Show brought to by zwift zwift makes it easy they just released the zift ride an all new smart bike that is changing the indoor game making it easier and more affordable than ever before to get started riding indoors now you may not know I wasn't a fan of riding indoors back in the day but zwift has changed that for me and hopefully with zwift ride 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to do with it yesterday was September 1st first can we all just relate to that for a second where the [ __ ] did 2024 go I know it's kind of depressing and it is a little depressing and we're already two weeks into to the tour of Spain yeah man and what a you know what a crazy two weeks it's been we're seeing the Resurgence of Wildman Arts I mean back to his dominant form who knows if in the back of his mind he's already thinking about the World Championships but uh he's clearly back to his top level obviously not the the there's a lot of racing going on so all the best guys aren't there but he's still winning pretty handedly and quite impressive and and quite dynamically as well Sprints you know breakaways it's been pretty pretty fun to watch him go yeah three three St three stage wins already right for him um can't go wrong anymore something tells me he will will he will win another one um you know the other day he was close with Kaden Grove right but um it was uh it was a small a smaller group uh impressive impressive job of Kaden Groves and and who had five of his teammates there which was impressive something tells me that well vanard needs to look for other opportunities because the the the you know he's the big favorite for the for those Sprints he needs to start himself um usually doesn't have a lot of teammates left so uh it's a bit risky um but as you say George I think vanard is back to being the world vanard we we like to see you know he wins on different terrains will 100% sure win the points competition uh and is actually still in the running for the Kom which sounds crazy in this in this kind of terrain on in the tour of Spain I don't know if he will making it a goal he will have to go in a breakaway um and now we have jayvine uh jayvine in in uh In Contention together with wal vanard so um Jay V will probably make that a goal but uh but yeah W is w and um you know I I think he will obviously he has two two big goals now it's the European championships where are around the corner and the World Championships uh European championships probably better suited for him um the World Championships is very hard 4,000 meters of climbing but this wal vanard can probably do that um so yeah interest going to be interesting to see the I I just saw the Belgian sele for the for the European championships and the World Championships very strong very strong team you know different than the Olympics because it's eight Riders versus for Riders so completely different Dynamics but uh you know we could also probably think that W vanart is already with his mind in those championships which would obviously make up for you know the last two years have been difficult for him getting one of those jerseys would be uh would be amazing and and it's definitely a title he would deserve is the European Championship I mean help me out for is is were you going to ask the same question George same exact question yeah I remember when they started this yeah when they started you know the race and giving away out the Jersey I thought I mean look no offense to the EU but I'm like I get it you want to be the national champion and I certainly get it that you want to be the world champion I'm like who do do people care I think the r i mean there's only one Rider who cares it's the guy who wins and can bear the jersey for a whole year you know I mean uh we had we had uh Sagan have it a few times I think or at least once we had yakobson this year is it's been Kristoff Laport so you know it does not have the same Prestige obviously uh and especially for a guy like Walt vanard I would I think I think the the if he could be Belgian Champion that Jersey is a lot more iconic than than a European Champion but you know hey if you can't be Belgian champion and you're not world champion I I would take it yeah but does it affect his preparation for the worlds I mean coming off of such a hard tour Spain successful tour of Spain I feel like of course cycling has changed we're wrong many times now but I would focus on one or the other perhaps uh but maybe like you said he's not so confident in his ability to overcome that many that that amount of climbing at the World Championships who knows but my guess is we've seen him climb pretty amazing one stage of B two um with this kind of form the guy can do anything I'm with I'm with George on that yeah well you know the European Champion it's in limberg so uh you know it's it's a bit like Le B Le I'm gold race perfectly perfectly in in the possibilities of bonard uh and it's you know fresh off uh you know if he's in the shape he's now I don't think he needs any special preparation for that it's just another race in the leadup towards the world championship so um and and also you know these kind of races will be a lot more tactical with teams of more Riders so uh um but yeah I mean listen Walt vanard the way he the way he won that stage uh what was it stage 10 stage 11 stage 10 you know would break away with this poor french guy Kon pasi from uh from groupama you know the poor guy just did everything he could and he it was like a a professional racing with a junior uh that day um yeah that's one of those finishes where you go there's no chance you're goingon to lose that what can you do what can you do guaranteed win there's also really exciting to see two firsttime Grand Tour stage winners with Eddie Dunbar coming off a really tough year injured didn't know if he'd ever make it back to the pro pelaton and just did one of those all or nothing nothing to lose attacks right there with a k or 1500 metes go and I to me it was personally exciting to watch somebody like that to go through so many you know trials and tribulations throughout the season to be able to win a grand tour is dream come true and fun to watch yeah so some of some of these stories you only find out because you know then Eddie Dunbar wins the stage and and then I read he had like eight crashes in the last yeah in the last 18 months or something yeah uh you know to see him take that win was uh he he timed it perfectly and uh but you know you had to be there um that that particular stage I would like to know your guys opinion on that guys uh as you know or may not know uh there's this experiment of the UCI with the yellow cards you know they've talked about it in the tour they now experimenting with it and uh three Riders of decathlon h2r plus the direct plus the director got a yellow card uh for an incident so basically what happened was there was as usual a big chaos big war break away go away and then the team of the leader goes to the front they basically close off the road and for some reason I don't know why what happened kapas crashed and they got given a yellow card for Dangerous riding what's your guys opinion on that I mean I saw the crash I didn't I didn't really see that the guy in front moved into carass he just established his position on the road which I mean cycling is all about positioning and taking you know your control of of the space you have so if you have a team team strong enough to have six guys on the front and you want to sit all six on the front you in my opinion you've establish that right because you got there um and if somebody wants to get around they got to figure out how to do it uh it's a tough sport we all know what it's like to control um a race for the for for for the for the GC we've done it many times and doesn't get any harder than that than that and I didn't see like any malicious attempt by this de cath to crash Richard kopot I think Richard carots obviously super strong Rider trying to get in the Breakaway maybe just took a little bit of risk in that in that in the in the shoulder there and got stuck crashed I didn't see them do anything wrong they were in the front just riding their trying to control the race you know what I just realized or was is it it maybe shouldn't be called the yellow card cuz it everything you just described by the way I think it's a silly experiment it just on its face but uh it it should probably be called the antim mosa card everything we just laid out there George all this stuff you've talked about you know since you grew up since you were like two racing bikes you know your dad was like hey George you gotta be most I'm saying that to my son right now yeah I'm sure you are right but I'm I'm with you I mean come on what what thank God it's just an experiment well the problem with these things is that these experiments tend to become uh rules afterwards and I'm you know independently of the issue of whether it was dangerous riding or not I think this this thing with the yellow cards is becoming a problem because you know yellow card is supposed to it's a warning and and then I I mean I haven't looked into the details but I suppose that if you get two yellow cards it turns into a red card like like in football soccer over here and you can you you're disqualified or thrown out of the race you know incidents like yellow cards for example in Bunch prints uh they're also going to give yellow cards and and I'm I'm really concerned that they won't implement the the the interpretation of the of the situation is an issue and you can as a Sprinter for example you can get a yellow cart and that's not even your fault because you need to do something you're in the bike race you're I thing to stay on your bike uh you get a yellow card second yellow card you're out of the race I think that's a bit too much so we'll see you know I think there's already enough rules and you know there's fine where where where is the riters Union in all this listen Lance I have news for you and nothing has changed in the last 30 years on that front um you know there's they're a bit more organized then you know what then we're going to give a yellow card to the riters jion how about that yeah around yellow cards and red cards and pink card I mean whatever card I don't think I don't think it's an issue of them Wan thing it's just an issue that the UCI just has everything under their control and they don't let them have the necessary voice uh it's not never been different and won't change uh so you know we can sit here until next year to talk about this uh anyway let's let's talk about something else something really exciting in tace okay well because that is what is exciting right are you going to talk about benon whether or not he can hang on and Primos rogich no I'm first first going to talk about Pablo Casto I mean yeah out of nowhere two stage wins yeah well not really out of nowhere you know not really out of nowhere um for for some of us yeah yeah yeah you can you can give me a yellow card on this if you'd like for not not knowing the guy's shoe size but definitely the first time he comes to the fourth if you follow his season this is the best Rider in Spain of the non World Tour teams he's been very consistent uh little bird has told me that a few months ago he has already signed with inos so mooves steams to inos um I think uh it's a rider with huge potential I mean that stag when yesterday was unbelievable I mean unbelievable yeah I thought that was a when he went I thought that was a TV attack I I said the same thing TV attack because he looks like he was suffering so much the whole way at the bottom of the climb Lo like he was on his last breath and not riding away from panicing exactly I mean I thought this is there's no way he can do this yeah I mean COV COV was obviously riding for J but then you have vov who is you know a top five contender in any Grand Tour and if when you saw the face of vlasov when he came back I said okay that doesn't look good at all you know little little detail also the first so he win stage 12 and he in Stage 15 the first stage when he won was actually very emotional I don't know if you guys caught that the founder of the team uh EXC me the the night before the night before that stag win and uh you know he he he got that Yan I didn't George was sneezing there is a mute button on that Zoom picture George I Know It came it came up quick okay the founder of the team what the founder of the team uh passed away the night before before that stage win and so the whole team I saw footage the whole team got together they you know they obviously very emotional uh but he dedicated uh the stage wi to that uh to that man and um yeah I mean it was it was super super emotional and and for this team man I mean it's it's one of the he there's four second division teams in Spain uh and only two can have an invite so they have they have a role they CH two years two two teams one year two teams the other year so this year is the turn of Ken Pharma uh but man having two Stags in in their uh in their national tour that's just that's massive it's massive yeah and they they were already in the breakaways from day one I mean they've not only represented the breakaways they've got two stage wins we were fortunate enough to be in h Jona last week or 10 days ago and we we got the ride with Danny Vander talk who's also on Kent farmer I had actually never really known I never really knew much about the team but uh he just spoke very highly of the team um and what you know what a great organization they have and Danny actually signed with with lot I don't know if you know that Yan or if anybody knows that but yeah so he's going there and um it's just uh for a team like that it's a dream come true scenario that they've already won two stages I they could just pretty much ride to the finish and not do anything else and have a successful Welter wow uh let's get into all the rest of the action and I said you know all right the big headline is can he do it or can been which I think we all agree but we'll get to that uh Today's Show also brought to you by Ketone IQ we often hear that fasting and exercise are good for the brain hvmn launched the world's first drinkable Ketone in 2017 Ketone IQ is their 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got in the in the right in the right break got I would say you know helped a bit by the unfortunate crash of Brandon MCM and Jay Vine I mean that that was that was a scary crash especially Brandon mcel who amazingly came out of the came out of the dep and uh got back on his bike and finished the stage and seems to be doing all right but Mike Woods said you know 37 years old uh that was a hard climb when he when he won typical Mike Woods climb you know the last three kilometers extremely Steep and he won that uh yeah very dominantly so uh you know nice for him to to win in the national champion jersey of Canada yeah I mean like I've never seen a I don't know about y'all but when I saw the images I've never seen the Canadian it looked more when I saw the pictures I was like wait a second what is he doing the you know the World Championships or the Olympics it looked more like a a national team jersey I've never seen it you know what I'm saying like I've never seen it represented like that yeah they did they did a nice job on the design yeah I thought it was dope I mean what a incredible rise he's had I mean like you said Yan 37 38 years old still winning a stage in the gr Grand Tour won the stage the Epic stage last year in the tour to France um started sort of relatively late to the sport was a runner I remember watching him in races like T Utah where they're like we don't even know if the guy can stay on his bike but we know that he can go uphill really fast so to watch his ride big engine super super big engine and Yan I don't know if you had some Nostalgia watching our boy Brandon mcnolty climbing out of the the cliff because I know with there's some famous pictures of you doing the same thing and that's every cyclist worst nightmare fall off of a cliff um terrible this in the case of Branda mnti the scary part was actually the the the metal rail you know I mean that those things here in Europe I don't if you have them in the in the US but you know they're they're just and he he slid right under it I mean that's like a knife you know uh so he was very very lucky to uh I mean he he's he was full of blood but it was very superficial so uh you know it looked a lot worse than it was Hey FYI those are called guard rails guard rails okay and yes um we do uh have some of those in the United States okay okay well they're dangerous for bike riders ask chlo yeah I've done I've been there too following you down s San Sebastian down the yabel went one guard rails fun ended up in the hospital Johan what rating are you giving um the kathon right now obviously a great rating for protecting the GC I think they haven't really shown um they're doing everything they can to their abilities my question is like Red Bull what's going on there I feel like they make these little mistakes that a team of that you know stature shouldn't be making with a rider like Primus Rog glitch I mean this little little things like for instance yesterday was the bike change necessary was that an absolute like what how much would that help him I can guarantee you that that did not help him uh that that effort took a lot more than I don't know I don't know about that it was obviously was planned you know he already did it in the jro when he won uh one stage so mean he he seems to like this setup of one by with you know a small a small chain ring a small but I'm with George on this yeah it's not worth all the the his the drama the risk now yeah I mean and also like at some point you caught an AUD you have a team like movie star the front going full gas you know to keep this break breakway in check we know this is going to be not an easy task I mean as me as a director I'm gonna I'm going to probably question that decision say you know what let's just stay with the bike we have and uh get to that climb as fresh as possible I think it clearly affected him at the end no it did it did I mean obviously you know independently of all that the 22nd penalty he got is is very expensive uh you know and they should have known better you know the he should have just drafted off other cars you know and not with there exactly in terms of um you know sorry to interrupt but also look they have so much information on the route like you like Midway up a climb or on a place where you know the cars are still going to be all bunched up they changed it was a downhill windy section they knew it was gonna be all spread out like you got to make that call where it's a an opportune time to change a bike if you do decide to do it figure out the route figure out the best place to change the bike yeah yeah I mean I I agree I mean it's not the it was not the safest thing and especially you know it's not like he's desperate it looks like the trend he's got he's on uh from his his side and the trend Ben o Conor is on it's going to figure itself out by himself so that's right right do experiments or or take crazy risks but um I mean you know surprisingly yesterday you know yesterday after the finish I saw he was with at 43 seconds then all of a sudden I saw 103 they gave him 20 second penalty and today in his press conference interview he says you know he says it's okay I'll survive so he feels he feels very confident I think um well if you look at the final week yeah Ian I mean yes he he uh now you you still have to race the race and not have bad days and and and he still has the time trial right but this last week is is I mean look at some of you put him in the in the show notes Johan like the is there's some diabolical climbs like this the time difference on paper I mean you'd be crazy to bet against him yeah um but but George's George brings up great points it's like why get cute like and by the way if you are that confident and you you can sit there and saywell I Will Survive well then don't try things like that yeah yeah I mean there's just no need and and and look I'm huge roget fan but we we never would have done I mean it's just like just keep it it's maybe also I think at the end the the the responsibility lies also on r on Primos himself he needs to know that he should find other Wheels other other cars uh rather than I don't know who's driving the car but that car should have you know as soon as he saw that he was behind he should have gone out of the way and said hey come on look for another car you know yeah that's too bad but Hey listen it adds a bit more to the suspense of the race I think uh I think 103 is not enough for Beno Conor um you know about decathlon you asked me what what what do you rate them uh you know they've done an amazing job in terms of you know defending there's one thing that I saw the other day which which I do not understand one of the stages I don't remember which one uh Ben o Conor was having trouble and you have Felix gal who is obviously great climber who who who rides away from the leader and and comes in 30 seconds ahead of the red jersey I said what is going on there uh that was not and then yesterday all of a sudden I I looked at the results he lost 26 minutes pH it's not like he was riding to be in the top 10 because now that's that's that's over so that was a bit strange maybe OK Conor told told G okay listen go because I prefer to ride my own pace but even then you don't leave the leader of a grand tour on his own you know that was a bit strange I didn't understand that yeah no I agree Johan and it's easy to sit back and and criticize a lot of stuff going on but those things are simple you know cycling 101 stay with your leader to the very top and who cares if you're in ninth or 10th Place you got have a guy winning the the to tour Spain right now yeah so maybe may I mean Ben Conor is leaving the team that's one thing uh that should not be an issue there's there's a big pretty big chaos going on in that team there's a whole restructuring I don't know if you saw they fired Von laven the the founder did they really did yeah they not see that yeah that was I mean that was ah I don't know uh this guy I mean wow from all the French directors I think he was for me my experience with all the French directors back in the days he was the most um I I I completely agree with that yeah I and a lot of these guys this is the same right and we often refer to our our days or our years or our decades I mean there Mark mtio is still there lavue was was still ber I mean these are the same yeah characters that 20 30 years later are still there and I'm with you I thought Lau was um it just always seemed so reasonable and and calm and that that's surprising to me yeah but and then especially if you know that you know this guy started this team very little was a very little team chazal or something like that the guy mortgaged his house to have the team survive a few years and now he just got called for meeting and and and got fired on the spot he he he needed to give in his his laptop and his cell phone and that was come on I tell you wow so you say you know you know you know what that you know what that is okay I'm gonna bring this full circle all right I'm gonna get whoever whoever did that I'm gonna give him a yellow card red C red card okay red card that's two yellows equals red I'm giving them a that's a red card yeah un that happened but that is shocking I mean they had the best year season of their I feel like their history of their team this year so maybe something happened internally but based on their results he should not have been fired no yeah yeah I know uh before we run I just want to kind of go down the list of some of these um for those who are just going to watch this last week and check it out and look he's got a minute stage 16 Loos zabad donga which is I've never done that climb everybody talks about it uh the WEA can be an issue as we saw some bad weather yesterday um you know from what I've heard and watched over the years epic uh a couple transition stages uh stage 19 Alto the mon 8 km the last 4K or double digits yet again super steep uh final and then boy stage 20 the most elevation of of uh I think I'm reading this right most elevation of this wel the whole yeah so he has time right he still has he still cannot have bad days let's not forget I mean this is not a a foregone conclusion he still has to he did not look for my money Rog did not look great yesterday I I agree I agree you know I mean had plan was the plan was different for sure y yep so just just folks just keep that in mind and then finally I I do think if it did come down to it and and the time stays where it is you got a 24 km time trial at the end I mean there's there's the and you're The Spectator and you it's like how about we just keep it like this and get to the last and get to the last I mean that would be fun to watch but there's a lot there's a lot of racing left to go yeah I think we're dealing withy RIT you know I mean listen he's he's a triple welta winner won the Jiro second in the tour uh the quality of this guy and the mental toughness of this guy is is you know he knows how to do this um yeah and and he's riding I mean based on our counterparts analysis I mean he's doing some of his best climbing numbers of the entire year so he's obviously got the fitness the confidence um I just feel like you know they they're just making little mistakes that a team like that shouldn't be making but I'm not taking the the way the chance that he's most likely GNA win the Tour of Spain so he would become the four the second rider ever to win four times the two the welta uh only guy who' done it until now is our ex teammate Roberto heras yeah yep yep I think that was a trivia question in this WTA it was even I knew that youan all right guys I gotta fly to San Francisco George probably has what do you got you probably got a big day out on the lake doing some wake surfing although is it is it it looking a little rainy in the background is that going to put a damper on Labor Day no I'm GNA go take my gs1 on this gravel Trails right behind my house here and then maybe do a little bit of Surfing and Ashish is in town Ashish and his whole family is there for La Day weekend correct yes Johan all we can ever do is just kind of see this dreamy background behind George you know it's and now like Ashish is there with the whole like I love the guy like I how many times have I invited you and you say you know you know what it's like you never invited me George I I you're welcome anytime I am relegated to the garage by the way right around the corner we have a great golf course as well I'm going on a on a little bike ride also now I found a new uh riding mate here in uh in mayorca is the the son of a certain Miguel induran who uh who has a nice Bike Shop here and uh yesterday I had a little ride with him and had fun with a little video he sent to his dad me still we wheel sucking the wheel sucking Belgian of indur as does he does he does he pedal like his dad I I'll post I'll post the video on social media yeah let's see he doesn't because big Mig man he had that he had that style that was just so fluid it just perfect he just curious if that trickles down he actually told me that his dad right I mean and see I know I've spoken with a lot of people he Miguel just does all the gram fondos George maybe a future and he is unbelievably strong he trains like an animal and is incredibly strong at 60 years old it's pretty impressive I'm out all right everybody thanks for tuning in we'll be back next uh what next Sunday or let's do it uh one of those days Sunday or Monday is a little crazy for me next week but uh recapping this see what happens yeah one week to go a lot of climbing I'll be in I'll be in Bensonville Arkansas uh for the funo so be a little difficult but yeah okay as usual per usual we'll work around your schedule George we'll make it work might be might be yet another early one all right everybody thanks for tuning in we'll see you in a week thanks guys out [Music] [Applause] m