Rams Up Roundtable #48: McVay reveals why Ernest Jones was traded! + Official Rams 53-man roster

[Music] hey everybody mark from Rams up here now a few hours ago we heard about the trade and I posted a little video on it on the channel and there is some really really negative responses from Ram fans and I got Ian Ian's here to join me know Paul wallia today and I have a feeling I you're in that you kind of negative about this how do you feel about this trade you is it is it are you an angry Ram fan today I it's am I angry no am I disappointed that we ended up here yeah I guys it's it's always crappy to see a player that you want a championship with who was a big contributor who was a leader see gone just like that you know and I'm more disappointed and sad that we got ended up here more than angry now the reason why I am not angry is because I think the writing's been on the wall for quite some time we've talked about it here on this podcast weeks ago when Ernest Jones was making his return to practice after sitting out some time with the knee issue flaring up and I said it you said it and Paul said it that man oh man this is a major red flag and this is giving that Todd Gurley Terrell Lewis Vibes where it's good one week knee's not good the other Miss game here he's good for this game and the Rams do not play with that and you know check out those you know check out that video round table I'm G to say it was Round Table 46 hey we can we can we can throw it up there right now for everybody you wanna you want to uh play that for everyone I think that's a good idea then obviously he had five weeks or or not five weeks excuse me had an extra week to recover he felt good enough started you know wrapping it doing the special tape to it and then by the end of the year he had said hey I feel pretty solid then we flast forward to the end of the season we lose to the Lions and then he's held out of a lot of OTA offseason workout stuff because of that knee flaring up and it's like hm all right well better now than later we all thought right we didn't take it too seriously then we've noticed hey he's he's wearing a leg compression on that knee throughout all practice but hey whatever whatever works for a player whatever they feel comfortable in play and cool but that is noticeable right having a leg wrapped up on that injured knee then we fast forward to Cowboys joint practice which we will talk about but he performs well in that and then the next day Shawn McBay is in one of the worst moves I've seen him since the 2022 campaign in his press conference talking about injuries Brenan Jackson being hurt BO limmer old moral line injuries and then he mentions Ernest Jones his knee he's not practicing he had his knee flared up again not good not good that this is a reoccurring issue and again I'm happy he is back but guys this is not smell like another Todd Gurley Terrell Lewis situation where it's on hey he's good this week next week it flared up we don't know if he's gonna play or he misses games it does it not feel like that gentlemen Am I Wrong Ram Nation never let me know in the comments and gentleman up here with me am I wrong for feeling that way sincerely because man oh man this is a lot of knee issues within a Year's worth the oh shoot there there you go P prast tense me yeah you nailed it and um you know we're I was trying to figure out you know the whole uh knee injury thing the Rams and uh it it's reoccurring and then all of a sudden hey we got good news on it I wonder if the good news on it was about when they decided they were gonna try to trade him you know oh man it feels that way Mark and I today's press conference from coach McVey was incredibly revealing on when they made this you know organizational decision to move on from your middle linebacker your play caller on defense or your defensive signal caller and your captain so in the press conference today from McVey he said that it was a football decision and it was a decision that was made in the best interest of the football team and you know that's a lot of Coach speak and I get all that and a lot of people be like all coaches will say that but report ERS did a good job of digging into him and MCB was kind of getting a little irritated in this press conference today and I get it I get it but he said that it is not a shocking decision based you know on what the coaches feel what he feels and what the organization feels he feels really fantastic about the group and how they've stepped up when Ernest was not there he said that the decision to move off Jones started in the off season when he missed time back in the OTA period and how Ernest was behind schedule on reps on getting up to speed and how everyone else stepped up very very well that couple with Andrew witor's tweets to the fan base kind of debating our own fandom in the last you know hour or so saying how if a player wasn't G to start how could you expect him to stick want to stick around so Whitworth has some you know I think him kind of sputtering that I don't think he would say that without knowing right and he's well connected to the Rams he know he knows what's going on there he is a an unofficial coach or an unofficial consultant maybe he is getting some money who knows but those comments by McVey the comments on Twitter by witw worth and all that factors into hey this team has known for quite a while that they were ready to say peace out to you Ernest Jones and again the knee is the reason why it happened no one can convince me otherwise that that is not it because if you're on the field playing then you're probably not going to get shipped off right Ernest I mean it's just it's crappy that the businesses like this the NFL the not for long League I kind of say quite frequently on here because things changed drastically I mean gosh two weeks ago no one thought this was a possibility but it seems like Ernest knew it seems like his agent knew the Rams have known for months that they were leaning this way and McVey again said that he feels great about this group they will not add any outside inside linebacker he is happy with how the group has formed now that Troy reer and Rose boom are gonna be the starters per McVey he did say that Rose boom and reer will be the starters day one unless something crazy happens so man oh man Mark they've known for months they've known for months yeah there's a lot of perspectives on this and you know I don't really even care what they got back in return you know it's it's put it in the rearview mirror move on with your young guys they got five linebackers two of them you know really exciting young players Neil and Spates right and I I was hoping Paul could join us and he could start working on some uh some nicknames for us but uh but what I've heard about Spates you know you hear some of these these catchphrases that McBay likes to use he's a grown ass man I think it was one of them same thing he said about Jared verse um so you got okay Rose boom and reader are the starters day one don't be surprised if that changes weeks three or four or five and that's kind of that's very typical of how the Rams uh operate um I I wouldn't expect Spates no matter how well he plays to be a starter Sunday night in Detroit you know that's just just doesn't happen a lot yeah so I'm hopeful you know I mean I I i' just like to move on Ernest Jones salute him for three great years for the Rams hope the best for him but um let's just be optimistic that that this this defense we'll talk about this depth chart 53 man roster in a minute man a lot of unknowns but hey it could be a really fun exciting year um yeah right and Mark real quick just for everyone out there so everyone's clear on this McVey is excited about the group and he and the organization and coaches are not shocked about this move coming look at the press conference today if you're like hey what's this guy ins saying it where is he pulling this in from I'm pulling it from our head coach here and what he said now did he say those exact things word for word no but listen to the press conference the reporters did a good job at poking at him he got a little irritated and everything I just said in the last two three minutes about the decision of why they moved on he said those things and if that doesn't give you enough info that the knee was not good I don't know what to tell you because man oh man it's just it's it's unfortunate and again if anyone's on YouTube thank you very much for tuning in here for the visuals in my background here I got Earnest Jones celebrating the Super Bowl 56 Victory and then him making the the the fourth down fist up in the air when he made a big tackle uh in that Super Bowl he was a big part of so Ernest Jones man thank you for being an awesome linebacker for us and your rookie you're playing so good that we won the Super Bowl and you made some big time plays in that championship Super Bowl game and you know he'll be uh he'll be a Rams Legend in my books because of that and I hope he has a you know a good rest of his career whether it's in Tennessee or somewhere else but man oh man the NFL not for long everybody don't ever forget that yeah and my last word on it when I did watch I didn't finish watching the press conference but one both questions I two of the questions I heard McVey did not hesitate one are you going to add any veterans absolutely not are you going to change things up how you guys operate back there absolutely not they're ready to go with the guys they got uh and that's good to hear yeah so enough of Ernest Jones and we could probably talk another hour about it but um there's a lot there's plenty of other things to talk about and exciting things and worrisome things both yeah um now we injuries and suspensions we know about a l he'll be back in two weeks and his other the other tackle so what is it Rob havenstein we're 50/50 that he'll be good to go on opening night is that what you're hearing yeah I mean per McVey Rob hon it's kind of a coin flip like there's a chance he misses but there's still a chance he could so they're going to take it day by day and I mean we'll find out next week how you know if he's out there at all that'll give a good indication and then for AAR it seems that the Rams have known for quite a while that there would possibly be a suspension as McVey had stated in a press conference earlier this week that they knew about his situation and you know they were hopeful that suspension not happen but it ended up coming down and to get suspended everybody for you know the personal conduct uh either the law was involved in some sorts or alar was doing something very stupid that was uh I don't know demoralizing the NFL or putting a bad light on them it's it's one of those two things so either way gosh dang it alar you know how did you get caught up in a situation like that and it's ironic that he is also back at practice getting good reps but ain't going to be around for the first two weeks how how great is that news so one tackle our left tackle will not be ready to go come Sunday Night Football not good and then we have our other tackle who was a coin flip as of today not good either so I mean Mark how do you feel about that I don't feel good Aiden hundson oneon-one with some backups I don't feel good about that well you I assume it's going to be not boom in McLendon worst case scenario and they're you know they're they're serviceable offensive lineman uh I think it you know it's certainly not ideal uh the backup I think it would be Conor mcdermid I guess I thought I thought AJ Curry might make this roster we'll talk about that later when we get to the 53 man roster but again uh be hopeful the r will proba probably try to Pound The Rock Against the lions with a doson and Jon Jonah Jackson speaking of injuries Jonah Jackson D will and puka all look like they're good to go so that's good our interior of our offensive line will be good to go and remember you know we worry about those tackles um and you know if you park Colby TK Parkinson next to one of those guys that's going to help a little bit right I think so I think and our running backs know how to block and our wide receivers know out to block so again I I always try to look at the uh the upside I try to be optimist Detroit's a good team though Detroit's a good football team so not ideal but it'll be not idea and Mark real quick the reason why I'm a little like uh about the tackle situation going to week one is because we had a fully healthy o line going into that playoff game and you know both our rosters haven't changed extremely dramatically at least on offense and then their defense I mean no secondary has changed but at least trench warfare o line their front seven dline line Packers hasn't changed too dramatically but Stafford got hit a ton with our starting unit out there fully healthy and I'm nervous man I'm nervous about that game and we'll see how the week progresses of practice and you know when the when the bullets start flying like people like to say you know and when the pads you know are thunder and lightning would you know some players like to say when hitting starts going on in a real game we'll find out how things are going to go in that game pretty fast but I'm worried about it am well you know every every game is important but I I always look at it this way you know Road games against really good football teams you can afford to lose those and still have a very successful season so they they come they get they get a a loss in Detroit it's not end of the world uh I remember how they started last year you know was not pretty through through the first nine games but steal a win you know find a way to steal a win this is you know Rams offense has a lot of weapons we'll need we'll need another Stafford superhero performance no doubt about and uh he's capable that's a good thing you have a top five quarterback you can win any game anytime anywhere fourth quarter late in the game where you think you're out I mean Stafford's got the most comebacks of any player currently in the NFL you know as a quarterback so we got the guy to do it but yeah and I think he's and I think he has revenge on mind uh about how that game went so uh Rams are going to be pumped for that as will Detroit of course of course see the other thing we learned which you know maybe we shouldn't have been surprised because today was a crazy day man go ahead yeah you were Paul I think both of you said early on when we talked about um a couple months ago I think about what this uh new kickoff rule is going to mean for return games and you guys pointed out the punt returns and the kick well you were actually more talking about the kick returns the kick returns were going to be more like a run a run play yeah um so you might think that someone like Kiren would return kicks and then we hear he's going to be the punt returner I know it's shocking which yeah um don't quite get it I know it's uh it's today was a rough day for a lot of our fan base hasn't it been you get the earnest news and or you know the week of bad news on that Kiron being a punt returner with his you know unfortunate injury history of his own let's be honest about his we've talked about on this pod as well he's missed significant time his first you know two years in the league this is now year three for him so it's like hey why do you want a guy who's had lower leg injuries or just injuries in general returning punts where you can get smacked around but per McVey uh he says that they want Kiron touching the ball as much as he possibly can and that he feels fantastic about Blake Corum and Ronnie Rivers you know getting snaps on the offense more frequently if it falls that way uh with Kiren you know returned punts so that tells me that if Kon gets injured you know you know that's unfortunate but we feel good about Blake and Ronnie you know picking up the slack and we're not going to miss a beat right that if you look in between the liines and MCB press conference today so it is a shocking move I agree and you know to the kickoff Run game you know comment that you made about you know what me and Paul and yourself have talked about in the previous months um it seems like KY would probably fit that better but it feels like there's going to be way more collisions on the kickoff because everyone's so close together when that ball is caught or hits the landing Zone uh punts there's still some time to react and possibly avoid a full long car crash collision that you that I think we're probably going to see a lot of and a little tidbit that we did see in PR I mean this this is big ass hits that are probably going to go down in this new kickoff format punt is that possible still of course but there is a little bit more space where you can read and react and Dodge a couple big hits and avoid some you know big car crash collisions like that I like to call it so hey if they feel like this is the best way for the offense to have better field position for a player they trust to you know get tough yards then so be it because like we said originally here Mark right Blake Korn was drafted to replace K Williams eventually no doubt about it it is about carin's injury history and that Blake can fill in when Kiron is out they're not going to miss a beat they're not going to have to run certain plays that fit maybe a Ronnie more better or uh more better fit Ronnie better or whoever would be a royce Freeman a Daryl Henderson that we had so hey it just shows me that Blake km's done a fantastic job and it's like all right Karen if you get banged up sucks we wish you were here but Blake horn will do your job just fine that's that's a that's a big development too at least to me shoot yeah what concerns me is we only have three running backs which surprised me and we'll get to that again when we get to the 53 so hey they know what they're doing but I I still um still surprised but you know our special teams were so bad they're trying to fix it at least so Mark I don't think people realize Rams Nation out there so with all the advanced stats you see you know EPA you see all this stuff so all the advanced stats combined the ram special teams unit in 2023 last season was the was bottom five in the last 20 years horrible and obviously it cost us a playoff game most likely it cost us tons of games last year we could have had a way better record which is crazy and I think to that point mark you bringing that up I mean they just want our good offensive players just helping out as much as possible it feels that way isn't it yeah this probably a good time to segue into uh our next topic Josh Mardi still still a concern there he he's missed one field goal and the EXT point and you know I I didn't analyze you know the snap the hold or anything but yeah not good hit the post um hit the upright so another thing to be nervous about going into this game uh you know all these young players including cardi who has never made a a kick in NFL game and you know you can't say he was you know looked great in the preseason he made a couple kicks yeah so yeah um I don't know there's much more to say about it other than to acknowledge um I know dude I mean look it rookie okay was Greg zering as a rookie perfect before he became Greg the leg no he was not I get it everybody we're just gonna have to deal with the patience but you know we're we're in a we're in a compete to get into the Super Bowl you know get into the NFC Championship Game and have a good playoff run that is the mold of this roster now you could argue that sending Ernest Jones away are we really trying to do that well based off May B comments they don't feel that way and based off the you know the the positivity McVey has said about cardi even though he's missed those kicks I get a coach it's always good to uh you know Infuse positivity in your players when things aren't going right right I'm sure Bri Brian Flor wishes he did that with Tua not to take a shot at them but so I can't mcf uh positivity you know even for card's mishaps but as a fan not good not good we're special teams the last 20 years last year let's not continue that Trend please and I hope cardi is clutch and I hope there is some big 50 plus yard field goals and I hope there is not a Miss Pat like it was this last preseason game because oh baby I mean just a lot of nonsense going on this uh this last two three months huh Mark yeah and and I don't think Ethan Evans has impressed either you know he's he's area of concern he has a strong leg and maybe they're coaching him to kick differently because of the I mean who know knows I mean again when push comes to shvs week one Beyond we're going to find out a lot about schemes and how they want to attack opposing teams on special teams kickoff punt kick return but you know but there hasn't been a lot of positive shoot yeah hey before we move on to our 53 man roster I meant to add a note here um Rams named their captains really no well actually there was one surprise well we got Matthew Stafford Cooper cup Big Rob havenstein and uh Kobe Turner and Quinton Lake I I think that's right to be honest with you yeah you know the Rams the three captains from last year on defense are no longer on the team you know Jordan Fuller was not resigned he's on Carolina now I believe Aaron Donald's retired for the moment even though you know now he's racing lesea McCoy on the street and beating him and Whitworth is on podcast kind of giving the winky eye about Aaron Dole's playing days and how that's probably not over just yet cool and then Ernest Jones was shipped away to Tennessee today plus Raheem Morris is coaching his own team now in Atlanta so you're four leaders on defense are no longer here so who F those voids well who does McVey talk about the most and guys MC's press conference you can learn so much in the way he talks about things and talks about players talked a great deal about the the emergence of Kobe Turner so not a shock that he's a captain right Mark and then he's talked for years about how he really loves and Lake are safety SL big nigle SL star Corner defensive back and not a shock that those two got it and I think if you're going to choose two guys to lead the way on defense uh I think those are the right two guys they're going to be on the field every snap there's no doubt about it those two are not coming off the field no matter what it feels like and you want guys that are going to be in their playin and play out on defense to be your leaders and I think they chose the right two or the players our team chose the right two guys and you know the players aren't going to vote somebody they don't like or they don't think deserves it the Rams have never been that way since the big vet area started in 2017 so players got it right I feel and um I think I think they'll do a good job you know doing their own leadership style in place of Ernest Jones and how do you feel all you got to do is here I speaking specifically about Kobe and Quenton just I don't if you've ever heard Quenton Lake interviewed uh and Kobe Turner as well you can tell they're just they've got it together you know they are mature mature guys that have it together and one of the things that came up in the press conference which I think McVey kind of dodged was who's going to wear the Green Dot I he obviously maybe hasn't made a decision yet but I figured it's going to be Quinton Lake right it's very possible think let's think about it real quick everybody so who in the past on this starting defense now has worn it Troy rer has worn it during the Super Bowl season so he has experience John Johnson when he was a part of the number one defense in 2020 he has worn it for an entire year Rose boom has worn it on and off preseason and regular season in the past uh who else is has warn it I think those three I think that might be it I'm I'm trying to think sorry everybody I'm blinking I'm thinking in real time here but if Quint lake is on the field all the time and they want a captain to have it he's a for sure candidate and Cameron curl being obviously a safety who I think is probably going to never come off the field as well is probably a candidate as well so it has to be somebody who is never GNA get off the field so Quinn Link's in that category I think Cameron curl's in that category and I think Rose boom is in that category as well and John Johnson we don't know how things are going to shake are we just going to run the nickel package all the time where that is five defensive backs um two linebackers and and for uh upfront you know at you know not D linan but at you know front seven guys two outside linebackers two D tackles that's a very strong possibility um but who knows what's going to happen but Mark who do you think if you had to choose one guy today to have it who would you choose I'm just curious I it'd have to be Quinton Lake I that would be my guess I'm I'm gonna lean towards him as well I mean make just make the captain just make the captain the green duck guy it's GNA make life simple everybody and I I think that's the right move as well and there is a there is a lot of inexperience on this defense obviously and that's why guys like John Johnson uh Cameron curl he's got some he's been around a little bit Troy reader D will uh those guys are going to be at Trey white uh there there is some experienced guys that I think um you know this defense is going to have to lean on them not so much during the game but in the locker room at halftime and preparing for big games playoff experience too A lot of these guys have playoff experience so that could really yeah be be important down the road yeah I mean I expect I expect us to be in nickel or dime a majority of the time now everybody we do run a three four defense where it's three D tackles one of them's a nose tackle straight up on the center are two outside linebackers ver and Byron young and then we'll have the two traditional inside linebackers now it's Rose boom and reader then we have two corners two safeties now I think when we go to nickel or dime where you have more defensive backs on the field 100% you know John Johnson is going to be a traditional safety with Cam curl in the back back end deep and then cam um excuse me Quinn lake is going to be that big nickel star slot Corner whatever name you want to throw out there for it he is going to be that guy because no one else could take that position for him they tried out Darion Kendrick they tried out uh Russ yeast there they had Kobe Durant there in previous years and none of them could do as good of a job as quinnon lake so uh he's going to be there primarily is he going to be in the traditional up top I think so as well I mean I I expect all our safeties to be moved around the ton just based off you know our the teams that we play so hey we'll see what happens but Quinn Lake I hope you get the Green Dot yeah let's walk through this 53 man roster one group at a time this is this is going to be kind of fun I think I think so too and uh so what we have here uh three position groups on this first slide and and the green is for the rookies and there's a lot of them and no really surprises here I know Paul especially is not thrilled about STS and Bennett uh being the backup me either and last week I said real quick Mark I mean I said the Rams would be crazy to do it and I still think they're crazy how could you have STS let's just start there please Matthew stord All Pro All Pro level quarterback top five quarter of the league shocker all right uh Stetson Bennett qb2 Mark what do we doing and lesne said on the broadcast of this last preseason game how it would be such a hard time to get a new quarterback to come in and learn the system and that all makes sense okay I I get it less need but I don't care Stetson knows the system pretty well and is still screwing up is that any better I mean look at nothing I have no I have no personal qualum against Stetson I'm looking at this from a purely football of you know perspective the film don't lie it's been bad it hasn't been good I feel terrible about him being our backup he needs way more development and again this is only for two weeks but even for these two weeks not good I mean there's a lot of quarterbacks that are going to be available who I think are way more talented and have won games as starters in the NFL and to have Stetson be the backup at this point I'm totally against it and McVey and Co like I said last week they're crazy for that they're crazy for this decision what about you mark shoes well you know who knows I mean there probably it's a calculated risk two games keep Matthew Stafford upright get through it um I understand the thought process not want wanting to bring another guy in but the question I my question is really what happens week three when they bring Jimmy G back uh do they um try to get try to sneak sneak they're not going to sneak anyone anywhere can they get uh do they hope that Bennett can make it to the practice squad or is the yeah right else is gonna want him I mean I'm obviously sounding very negative about him but the how could any other organization watch that and think oh yeah we're gonna have a roster spot for him I at this moment there's just no way so he he'll he should be able to to um stay on our practice squad and just play more football be in the organization be a pro for a full season right and I get it all the off field stuff that he was going through last year and it's salute to him for over coming in coming back but the dude needs work to be you know elevator to be on a true 53 man roster so we are taking that calculator risk and I am nervous as hell about it yeah and I think um as we walk through this roster we have to keep that in mind we have 53 guys here in two weeks uh a LC and Jimmy come back Y and they're coming back they they'll be on the RO everybody and in four weeks um I assume Laurel meres will be added and Casey leveston who knows your guess is as good as mine those are the two guys that were put on injured reserve designated to return after four weeks yeah so um uh I and there's also always the chance that the Rams will look at some waved players and make a change but I think that's less likely but so there's going to be four guys on this 53 man roster that in four weeks probably will not be on those roster so just keep that in mind and then I mean I've been on this pod and we've talked about at Mark as well where you know I expect him to come back if he does at all incredibly like week 12 or later because of how late in the season it was last year a playoff game where he tore everything in his knee practically so if he comes back at all which will be you know not impossible but I'll be shocked and let's just be real he won't be the same player because everyone talks about it that they need a full year of playing and Recovery to finally feel like okay I have overcame whatever the surgical repair of an KNE Achilles and all and like okay I feel back to normal so even if he comes back let's say week 12 or later I mean Higg is not going to be the Higby that we all know so if he does come back I expect Hunter long to get bounced I mean do you feel the same way Markin I mean who knows how things shake up by then I mean by be completely different but I can't say anything about Hunter long because over the past month every time I've met mentioned that Hunter long might not make this roster there's uh one gentleman that just uh Reams me on the YouTube channel for doubting Hunter Long's ability hasn't done like he hasn't been crazy good or anything so I mean you're not wrong for thinking that yeah I thought I just thought that forestall or um the other tight end kenic uh they look good they did and Paul pointed I thought they one of them might bump long off this roster but I was wrong yeah so um I would think so but you know if if I had my way I don't know I have no idea where Tyler Higby is in his rehab who knows just take the take the whole freaking year off you know just I mean get get 100% and um and come back strong and that's assuming that you know Kobe Parkinson and Davis Allen and long you know do a decent job here have high hopes for Parkinson now if our tight end struggle maybe I'll change my tune on that um of course but yeah I I think Hunter long would be the first guy to go um that that's just uh kind of Common Sense there but who knows what the Rams are thinking and you know the like I said the big surprise here is to me three running backs um but me too pretty good running back room and I'm sure I I suspect Zack Evans will end up on the practice squad you know we're all surprised Boston Scott got uh cut oh yeah a few days ago me to I had I had him penciled in so that was one I got wrong but me too I mean I mean Mark I was we talked a little bit earlier about the ky's new punt return duties and how that factors and how they feel about you know Blake and and Ronnie subbing in but I really thought Boston would have some type of role on the kickoff because of his return ability that he was really good at with his time in Philly um but I mean you know he was banged up this last week and the Rams just don't want to mess around with injured people anymore right our the corner that was for I'm blanking on his name right now the corner we signed once Dari went down and Darius went down Jerry Jerry Jerry Jacobs Jacobs yes that's correct and we were like oh he's got familiar with Pleasant and then he gets injured and they were like see you later you know and the Rams just do not want to deal with unless you're one of mcvey's guys right and usually that's kind of off that's more offensive players uh if you're injured and you're not gonna be around for a while if there's injury concerns they're gonna they're going to send you away or or release you or not want you so I think that's what happened I think that's what happened with right banged up in that uh week leading up to the last preseason game he obviously didn't get any action really at all was a Zack Evans show and they were like you know what we're not going to deal with it so now he's on with a Steelers practice squad Boston Scott is and uh had hopes room and I know you did too but it just shows you that the Rams are Savage they do not care man Whoever has the Giants on their schedule needs to sign Boston Scott because I if you saw that his stats against the Giants incredible and you know I do these player Focus Features um on occasion when the ram sign a free agent make a trade and it's almost a curse uh it seems like every guy I do a player focus on thinking they're going to be uh you know it's this great new addition and then a month later they're gone so maybe I'll stop doing those that's good content man I mean the the not for long League you never know so it's all good yeah hey let's move on to the wide receivers and um no surprises here except for the fact that Xavier Smith didn't make it we all thought that he he was out there so much we should have we should have known what that meant but he was getting it done you know um yeah and to your point mark about him being out there like oh if you're playing the third preseason game then it shouldn't be a worry I get that but just based off you know based off the numbers it's like okay NOA cup and Robinson the starting Trio are going to be on the field 90% of the time and then you need Atwell who's going to rotate in to be a deep you know big play guy deep so we know he you know he didn't play at all and then wington showed out in the first couple games so we thought he was a lock and then Tyler Johnson has playoff experience catch and passes from Brady and we know that he's a solid player to have on your roster in the receiver room so the numbers were like okay Xavier is just going to have to play because there's no one else to play but I thought with his speed and his returnability IL to Scott that I thought he would make this roster and be our pun returner not kyn Williams or he would have some time um in the in kickoff duties based on the nice returns that he had in this preseason so that is a shock he'll be uh for sure a practice squad guy and if he doesn't get poached which is a very real possibility that he does get poached um but I am shocked based on everything I just said I mean I know Paul shout out to you Paul when you listen to this later I know you want him on this rosts really bad and we agree we all agree on all that and uh I was disappointing to see that he was not going to be here to contribute right now by the way by the way disclaimer here on all these position groups I just threw uh I don't mean this to be representative of a depth chart XYZ receivers or any of that it's just that the starters on the top the backups underneath um in Whittington you know maybe a long-term project I mean you know it's we get so excited about these rookie receivers some times but then you got guys like ncua that come along if Whittington gets his opportunity I fully expect him to to be an impact player it's all about opportunity yeah to that point mark I mean Robinson's on a one-year deal he unless he has like a 900 yard season or something as a third receiver which is very possible he's got a lot of talent I mean they're probably going to move on from him and Woodington will be stepping in but you know everyone's future is up in Jeopardy let's just let's just keep let's just be real about this receiver room you know adal's on the final year is of his deal excuse me cup has uh some years left but the Rams can 100% get out of his deal and not owe a ton of money to him you know cap wise or real money if he has another injury plag season where he's not 100% or he misses games Tyler Johnson's on you know this is this his final year as a ram as of today Robinson like I said one-year deal so it's just n and Winnington are guaranteed for the future yeah right and um I expect Winnington to play this year based on all the reports from from our great reporters you know Gary Jordan Adam and whoever whoever else I'm forgetting thank you everybody that you know Jordan was getting obviously first team reps with Thea being out but he was being featured a lot in Jet Sweep stuff blocking he had been a good blocker based on reports so I mean he's going to rotate in if he and I think he'll do well if he does have to play so I think everybody in this you know graphic you have nicely put here Mark I think they're all going to get some time in some way shape or fashion I know maybe Tyler might be the odd men out in that but I think top three guys no doubt Atwell no doubt about it and I would put money on Winnington getting some snaps in the Run game whether him getting the ball on a Jet Sweep or him blocking or any other Crossing route which uh you know get the ball in his hands and let him run because you know he's got some speed to him and some tough and and they could go with some for R certainly almost certainly absolutely going to go with some four wide receiver sets that'd be cool to see that'd be cool to see I like that offensive line and you know so we got some issues here uh allic Jackson is not on this slide uh Casey leveston the the seventh round draft pick is on IR designated for return yeah uh Connor McDermot makes it over AJ a curry that surprised me but hey who knows I don't have eyes on those scrimmages and the joint practice IES and such and that's probably where they made that decision yeah uh and hey Logan brass and Bo limmer both on this roster kind of cool and uh Warren McLendon Warren McLendon like we already discussed could end up starting week one I um so we got nine guys and this is a group you know when when a lyric comes back uh someone's gonna get cut for sure right yeah but um the interior is great yeah I mean look at Ava Center they were messing around this past week of limmer taking first team s we talked about it on last week's Round Table H that was a good idea you got to practice the break glass scenario right if more linemen aren't ready or more linemen go down have a up go back to Gar where he's proven to be good at have Bo limmer who has done well according to all reports as a backup or you know a lot of um other teams fan bases were mad that we snagged him because they thought he you know limmer is a starting level Center and based on his play he's shown to prove that so we have a good backup happy about that but good to hear that Jonah Jackson's going to be hopefully ready to go for week one Kevin doson hopefully he continues to be one of the best guards in the NFL and continues his good play havenstein like we talked about earlier coin flip hopefully he's back note Boom the ultimate six men we're happy that you know we kept him even though it's crazy that we paid him to be the future left tackle and then he got beat up by thear but he's getting paid a lot of money and his cap hit is a lot so he better play well and I hope he does come uh week one and you know talking about bruss and mcder maybe being like Shockers over some other guys uh per McVey today in his press conference he said it's not anything that Connor or excuse me um it's not anything that AJ or others didn't or Zack Thomas didn't do is that mcder and bruss were just better than those two guys and it's as simple as that so it's a shocker to us but you know to the coaching staff they said no this they performed better than the other guys so here are Mark I mean good for them I'm happy that bruss is no longer a complete failure as a third round pick where we had people jumping into the pool never forget that Rams Nation we have people jumping in the pool for him and it was a disaster so not to not to drag him down or be negative about it but it's good that he has made significant progress and now that uh he is at least you know on the legit roster as a backup and maybe one day he'll be good enough to start you know hopefully we'll see what happens probably not with the money we invested on the two guard spots but it's uh it's good to see and then mcder shout out to him I took my imaginary invisible cap to him for performing some other guys that we thought were going to be on this roster I mean Sho yeah and mcdermid has some experience too he's been around a while he started uh he has started in the NFL um and you know I I I made an argument you know months ago what people wanted us wanted us to move on from no boom and and I said you know we need to keep we need to keep guys like that I'm still traumatized from from whatever year that was where we had 13 different offensive and uh but you know if you think about it I I know I'm more optimistic I think than than you and Paul are but with you throw Jackson into this mix we have a pretty deep group of offensive linemen uh probably not a single pro bowler you know although you can make an argument for doson but some pretty darn good players so I'm happy about where we at with her but week one kind of sucks but overall it's a pretty good group yeah and you know the Silver Lining with all the injury chaos these last couple months is that no boom has gotten a lot more reps than he normally would at left tackle or right tackle I've heard he practic as well Mendon has got a ton of reps and has improved dramatically according to reports and coaches about his time filling in for havenstein and or um you know allic so it's not like oh no allic got suspended out of nowhere and he practiced all offseason it's not like oh no havenstein had an ankle injury you know the week of the Sunday Night Football game against Alliance at least at the bare minimum noo M lendon were getting really valuable practice time at the facility and then we're getting joint practice reps with the first team against other teams very very valuable and I'm happy that that happened but I'm still worried about Aiden Hudson kicking their ass let's be honest you know we'll see what happens let's move on to the edge here and we kind of saw this coming Five Guys couple late cuts um and I think uh Brenan Jackson uh finally getting onto the field is what um what M ended basically Osan Math's time with the rants although he could very well could very well end up on the practice squad I think so but yeah I'm again another group that I'm really hopeful for you know we got to see young and verse do it together on the field oh yeah um a lot of upside here huh I think so I mean I I've been talking about it for weeks since the joint practices have been kicking off uh you know a month or so ago now that we're we're going to which is crazy all reports from opposing reporters our own Rams reporters Jared verse and Byron Young have been kicking ass all offseason our own practices against ourselves every day at the facility joint practices they've been wreaking havoc against you know the Texans starters the cowboy starters twice and the charger starters that's great news and we're gonna need it obviously Aaron Donald is not around anymore but we last year we were frustrated about the lack of sack production from The Edge and you know Byron young being a rookie player and him being you know inexperienced but he had nine sacks that's a pretty good year and we expect a lot from our first round pck Jers adverse and again based off joint practice work based off our own practices they have been fantastic I expect a lot from this Duo Mark and Rams Nation I expect a lot of good play from them now again it's practice I get it as Alan hson once said we talking about practice but that's all we can go off of right now right that's all we can go off of and based off what we've heard they're doing great and I expect great things so hey yeah again you know yeah there's concerns but hey let's just be excited especially about this group you know and I like Michael Hoy being a rotational player right Mark and I like you know Hampton as a rotational guy I think that's perfect and you know Ho's obviously starting caliber as he proved last year now is it like the ideal starter that you want because he's a bigger dude and all that and you know we don't want him dropping into coverage because that's just not his for like duh that's why it was frustrating to see that all last year and I hope that's really not a a whole lot we see from Jared verser young either it's going to happen because we they are outside linebackers and there's going to be moments where they do drop in the coverage that's fine but not as often as we saw them do it last year and I think schula will understand that then let those let number zero and number eight who I think we're probably going to mix up sometimes we're watching the game at home or at a barber in person because you know a zero and AA from far away that's GNA look the same they're both jacked up outside linebackers that are you know we're going to confuse them which is fine but uh I hope to see a zero or an eight in the back field of opposing offenses the ton and I think we'll see that yeah and um just consider how young this group is too and and that's another you know I talked about the veterans and some veterans with playoff experience that are going to be key and Mike I didn't mention Michael Hoy I should have and uh he's he's going to be really important with this young group I think so that's a pretty young group but a lot of potential there and really no surprises Kier Thomas and Zack V valkenberg maybe both of them end up on the practice squad and maybe Osan matthysse as well so the defensive line we got two more rookies uh and then we got Kobe Turner and Bobby Brown uh Tyler Davis hopefully he can help in the interior there I think that's where he's going to play Paul's kind of thinks he could end up playing outside a little bit three technique or whatever yeah then Mr Irrelevant Braden fist another guy with tons of upside yeah and Cory Duran um I I don't know what the Rams are going to do here when lurel meron comes back um maybe it'll depend on how deran plays he I know he had a really yeah Duran had a pretty good preseason I think and maybe the Rams H add a defensive lineman subtract a linebacker there's a lot of ways they could go here but this is probably the group that even though you know Fisk and Turner I'm really excited about them and Tyler Davis is as well um it it may be to me I don't want to be over dramatic but I'm I'm a little concerned about this group being able to hold up over a 60-minute game against uh you know some of these rushing attacks yeah but but F Fisk and Turner you know that we know it well we don't know we're hopeful what we're hearing about Fisk is all good we got to see it on the field and we know Kobe Turner is pretty darn good yeah I mean just like verus and Young I mean Fisk has been in that category of guys who have just been kicking ass all off season and all leading into the season practice the facility joint practice he's one of those guys you can throw in that category of we expect a lot and good a lot of capital will spent on him and we expect big things and that he's going to be one of the starting you know three technique defensive tackles Kobe Turner should have been defensive R rookie of the year I expect good things for him to continue and for him to grow now a captain good for him sh no not a shocker and Bobby Brown now we expect we've talked about in this pod he needs to be available and when he is available his play needs to his impact of play needs to increase what I mean by that is that we appreciate his run stuffing ability but can you make a difference when uh it is a pass play when we are in our three4 defense so everyone real quick our our base three four defense would be these three right here in the middle Bobby Brown to the nose Braden Fisk and Kobe Turner as D tackles and then we have Byron young and Jared verse as the outside linebackers so when teams say oh you're in your base three four defense like you're trying to stop the run maybe and they throwing us can Bobby Brown be effective trying to get after the quarterback and he has shown an ability that lacks in that department where Tyler Davis from his time at Clemson and his you know action in the preseason is showing that he is more Shifty he is more Nimble and getting past offensive lineman and getting to the quarterback and he can also be a nose tackle and stuff the run and do everything that Bobby Brown does so that's going to be interesting you know for me and I'm sure Paul as well because we agree on that and I know you do to uh Mark and Rams Nation for the most part that Bobby Brown isn't cut in or he's just onedimensional I mean I expect Tyler Davis has to plan him at some point in this uh this season and get those reps at that nose tackle or be moved around that Paul wants to see at a traditional D Tackle Spot so that's going to be really interesting to see um you know how that plays out at that nose Tackle Spot between him Bobby Brown and Tyler Davis the rookie yeah I think the rans will rotate to some degree regardless will yeah matter of uh when if Tyler Davis you know uh starts getting more snaps than brown at some point yeah okay what do we got the this is the group that we all you know we had a bit of a wakeup call today no Ernest Jones and five linebackers which uh is to me is kind of crazy I don't really have a problem with it um maybe the Rams are keeping Neel there as insurance um reer and Rose boom are are not going to be household names anytime soon uh but they're solid uh reader certainly has a lot they both have a lot of experience actually and uh humble great special teams player and then you get the true two undrafted free age um and so the pr surprise here was really Neil as the fifth inside linebacker to me yeah um and we'll see if that holds when they start bringing players back but yeah sea mcvey's happy with this group apparently oh yeah we talked about the beginning of this pod I mean M is not shocked how this group has performed he liked how this group performed when Eris Jones was missing time and how they didn't miss a beat when Ernest was not at practice or not enjy practice and look it like we had stated earlier is this group perfect of course not but I liked how rosean played last year he played Emeral he was a good contributor and then he was up subbed out when we did go dime package sometimes we go the uh the three foures nickel where it' be you know three tackles two outside linebackers and one inside linebacker so I expect Rose boom to be on the field a majority you know to be that three down linebacker as of right now and then Troy reader is a good Thumper he is good attacking downhill but he has pass coverage flaws you know to the time he won a Super Bowl a couple years ago and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon but I don't expect him to be on the field a whole lot truthfully because we are as I expect it to be and I know you agree with me Mark a lot of nickel and dime packages this upcoming year so I know everyone's like oh my God what is Troy reader have on the Rams how does he keep getting away with this and it's it's funny to see that and uh you I get a little chuckle out of that but he does have value it's not in pass coverage but he does have value and experience so those are going to be the two guys as McVey said and then hmel won the Green Dot as well that's good depth and then I expect Omar Spates to crack this starting lineup at some point this season and why do I say that Mark because of the history of how M McVey area McVey era excuse me has handled inside linebackers let's just let's just rewind real quick let's go down memory lane since he's been our coach so it was Baron and uh Alec ogry who got a big contract right he played through 2017 and then what did the Rams do hey we have this undrafted guy named Cory Littleton who we think is just as good as you so see you later Al gole Tree boom traded his ass away after we gave him a big deal for a middle linebacker then it was Mark Baron and Corey Littleton and everyone was like oh wow Cory Lon is actually kind of better than ogal tree and we rode with that up you know into a Super Bowl loss unfortunately against the Patriots where you know corlon and that defense did a good job that was good enough to win that game and I don't mean to bring up bring up painful memories but he was a serviceable good inside linebacker then we go to 2019 pretty much the same group uh solid we don't make the playoffs things change and then it was Cory litton's like hey I've been a good inside linebacker where uh where is my contract and the Rams were like hey we have this guy named uh Micah Kaiser and we also traded for an inside linebacker named Kenny Young from the if you remember where we uh sent away Marcus Peters we got Kenny young in return we're like hey I think we think those guys are just as good as you see you later enjoy your time as a Raider he signed a big contract things didn't worked out shocker then we go into the uh 2020 season see you later Mark Baron as well Micah Kaiser Kenny young is the group then Kenny young gets hurt excuse me Micah Kaiser gets hurt and then it's Troy reer cracks the lineup and Kenny young was playing really good as well for that number one defense in the ENT NFL then what happens 2021 comes you know rolling around we draft Anders Jones Kenny young is playing fantastic uh you know with traven Howard and who whoever else and then Kenny young gets shipped away to Denver after EA was having a good start to his season and the Rams are like hey we have this guy we dropped in the third round named Ernest Jones who he think just as good as you and we don't have to pay as much as you then he's in wins the Super Bowl is a good player for us and now we end up back here so why do I bring up this long solid of how the Rams have handled inside linebackers is because I think history is going to repeat itself Mark and I think Omar space is gonna crack this lineup at some point this season I just have that feeling whether it's in place of reer whether it's in place of Rose boom I think that is 100% gonna happen and based off everything I just said about the Rams history of inside linebackers I will bet money on that and and you know interesting you bring up Cory Littleton and Kenny young especially Cory Littleton because he signed a big contract with the Raiders yeah and it did not work out well for the Raiders he I wouldn't call it a wash out but it was not a good signing and Kenny young I kind of I don't think he got a big contract with Denver or or anything like that but he was just just another linebacker and you know so yeah I forgot about Cory and made the right and you know I I don't know if we could go back and check social media Ram fans were responding to to the Rams not keeping Cory Littleton it was probably very similar to to what we're hearing today all three of those guys who were playing good for us that got sent away or didn't get resigned the exact reaction with Ernest was on that similar level now Ernest is better than all three of those guys by I think a wide margin just based on the film and everything we've seen from ER and I know you agree as well Mark and I'm sure Rams Nation agrees with that point but the Rams have done this over and over and over again and every time it ended up working out which is kind of crazy so I get it Rams Nation it sucks that Ernest is gone I know you don't want to see tro reader and Rose boom as your week one starters and again I do think Omar's going to crack in there eventually but the Rams have done this and it has worked out every time since McVey has been our head coach it's really crazy and it's just that's just how it is man and I would think just here and I hate to to burst any player's bubble not that they're going to care what I think but I suspect that in four weeks we'll have four inside linebackers rather than five that's just my guess though feels that way yeah feels that way I don't know who it might be if we took a vote among Ram fans I I have a plain who they might who they might elect for uh expelling from this roster yeah okay now just everyone's aware quarterback safe the safe way of presenting this is defensive backs because some of these guys are all over the place you know I have I have uh you know um I have Quinton Lake listed here it could very easily be listed as a safety bit so please bear with it just 11 defensive backs six cornerbacks five safeties you could flip it Trey Tomlinson goes to IR we that's unfortunate man that's unfortunate he's everyone out there he's not on the IR that's designated to return at some point he's on the IR where they're shutting him down for the whole year and that's yeah that sucks for him man because the hype around his college play at TCU he was a fantastic corner he won the best corner in the nation award and we had high hopes for him and it just hasn't worked out and I don't know what injury he's had uh probably going on for a while now because you don't just go to IR randomly the week of the Season or you know leading up to the season the weeks going into it so that sucks for him for his development to get better and what a bummer and then obviously Darion Kendrick is out for the year most likely with his tourn ACL so you know we're pretty thin here but you know if Darius Williams plays to his Super Bowl level season then we have a pro bowl level Corner if he plays to his Jacksonville Jaguars level then we have a pro bowl All Pro level corner and then if Trey Davis wi is anywhere close to his All Pro what a bargain that was for 9 10 million as well so I feel good about the starters I feel good about Kobe Durant filling in but you know if any of those guys go down then we're holding our breath if something else happens right let mean Sho yeah Woods Wallace who knows you know they well in Camp um they'll probably most be special teams guys and then uh yeah the late Cuts I thought cam lampin had a real shot at making this roster too Sean Sean Jolly seems like he's been around forever yeah and know one or both of those guys could end up on the practice squad and Darion Kendrick he's going to come back back uh he was really making strides and I think we're going to hear from him next year and then the safety group kind of a continuation you know Jaylen Mulla is a guy that really stood out all preseason and the other the other four you know I thought I thought I had a sneaky feeling that yeast might lose a spot on this roster I have no yeah there was there was that chance for sure yeah I I don't have any data or uh you know anything I can point to that led me to that conclusion just the hype I was hearing about some of these other guys yeah I didn't think they'd keep 11 defensive backs so that may have saved him may have saved woods and Wallace as well but uh you know John Johnson he's a solid safety reliable uh knows the defense can wear the Green Dot if you need him curl uh everybody's saying that he has been lights out so far um and kinchin a lot of promise there and then M and us young guys um so you know I feel good about this group um Jason Taylor and Tanner Engel I think were the late Cuts yeah um kind of saw it coming with Taylor uh Engle engle's played well you know he's for two years now in the preseason I think he's played well yeah just just a numbers game how do you feel about the safeties here how do you feel about this group I feel good about it yeah I yeah I I feel very good about it mark and um you know cam curl same thing like the other players we highlighted he's been kicking ass John Johnson's been a Green Dot wear he's continues to be okay taking vet minimums to be a starter or get playing time great to have him back of course Russ yeast the former starter last year so he has tons of experience who I thought played really well at the dime linebacker spot which is really nice as well so anyone out there that is when you sub out a Troy reader and you put a safe in that position so I think he'll do uh well there and then Cameron Kit's for all reports has really improved and has really made a name for himself as a rookie so don't be shocked if he you know starts at some point over maybe a John Johnson you know towards some part of the season so I feel good about it Mark I mean hey that's great news you know we gotta make ourselves feel a little bit better now that Ernest Jones is no longer here we gota we gota be like okay who who could be a good player in place of that or who can make up for that if someone's got to come in or not and uh I feel good about the secondary and who would be out there and the depth of the safety room for sure yeah feel the same uh we know who our special teamers are Ward Evans and cardi um I don't I I think Ward's an excellent Long Snapper the other two um they have some proven to do in my mind and then we already talked about KY returning punts 2 two returning kickoffs I think we've known that since tutu announced it uh during that podcast a couple of months ago right yeah I know that there was obviously like the bosses SC Xavier worthy that we were holding out like hey maybe they can be valuable there but well tutu talked in the third person proclaimed himself to be the Return Man and uh I think that's that's good he's got incredible speed and I hope uh he breaks some big runs and scor some touchdowns for us because we will need it desperately on that side of the ball or that phase of football I have another uh slide here that just the interesting things about this team five inside linebackers we already talked about that yeah five undrafted free agents uh 2024 uh undrafted free agents all on defense that's uh who would have guessed I think that I wonder how often that happens it must be pretty rare um two yeah 2 two Atwell Bobby Brown the only players now left from the 2021 draft crazy dude yeah we have 14 rookies nine draft picks we had 10 draft picks the only draft pick not on this roster right now is Casey leviston so this number could tick up if he gets added to the 53 he will and then yeah and then we have 25 players with one year or less experience pretty crazy so crazy yeah and the I have six six total undrafted free agents that's including Corey Duran who was um he's I think he B bounced around a little bit last year before the Rams latched latched on to him so pretty uh man crazy day um you know what what was uh if you were going to say I mean obviously the biggest surprise of the day was Ernest Jones trade as far as a 53 man roster what was the biggest surprise to you good question I I would say the the uh Xavier not making it in the wide receiver room like we had talked about earlier the the kick return punt return ability I thought was going to be incredibly valuable and is what got him to crack in to this 53 man roster so definitely him that was very uh surprising to my most surprising for sure yeah I thought Neil was a guy that you know Paul had talked him up a little bit and he wasn't really on my radar and just doing the numbers they're not going to carry five linebackers there's no way and I it if they had kept Ernest Jones you know maybe that maybe that's you know kind of the what Sean McVey is telling us we needed to make room for some of these guys but five linebackers one of them being Neil with and not and that's not counting Ernest Jones that's pretty incredible if you had told me that this morning I I would have uh said hey you know I I think you need to look at this roster one more time and and do do some number crunching are you g to carry uh five inside linebackers but yeah good stuff um so I don't know you know overall this time of year I'm always just super super optimistic uh I stayed optimistic during the Jeff fiser years actually so baby so so take that for what it's worth but um man it's going to be fun watching all these young players out there uh especially in the early going yeah and again everybody if you haven't subscribed hit the notification Bell uh if you are watching on YouTube very very very appreciated if you do it helps you know this channel out it helps other Rams Fans and their you know YouTube algorithms be able to see this video or get you know notified or suggestion to watch it and we're very thankful for anybody listening in Spotify Apple music iHeart wherever you listen to your podcast as well we're very thankful for everybody tuning in and man oh man buckle your seat belt it's been a crazy off season uh it's going to be even crazier I predict things are just never ending with this team it feels like and uh again NFL not for long let's hope that uh we get to enjoy this uh good postseason run a good season a winning season and uh I feel good about the 53 and then the two guys who will eventually rejoin us a garoo and a and a lar after the suspension so man oh man what a day Mark yeah it was fun and um just so everyone knows um we we'll see what happens with the practice squad uh I may come back with a a video or a pod making some predictions there or at least you know talking about the guys that are are selected in a couple days here yeah and then uh in over the next week I'll be sharing my power rankings for what that's worth and some game picks and lots of good stuff and uh we'll definitely be doing the Tuesday round Tuesday night round tables and a lot more content coming at you as the season gets rolling hell yeah yeah thanks a lot Ian that was fun A lot of good stuff we'll get Paul back next week Paul Paul will easily add an extra half hour to our discussion he always has some good insights and uh hey hey Paul if you watch this you we are you have your assignment we need some nicknames for some of these rookies there's a lot of them y there is man and uh again thanks thank you Ram Nation and uh oh man just be as calm as you can be as rational as you can and uh in mne We Trust Sean McVey Les need I'm with you on that okay thanks a lot man out here