Inside Nord Stream: Unveiling the Shrouded Truths! - London Real

there are two pipelines that come from Russia to Germany and the worry was that Russia was weaponizing its gas and oil Biden wanted an option to blow up the pipeline he was worried that Germany was under pressure to put more money into the war in Ukraine they were asked to come up with options and one of the options that emerg is blow up the place and the CIA was given that assignment the classic thing for the head of the CIA is does he work for the crown or the Constitution and most CI directors decide they work for the crown all he had to do was say if he was really innocent last September when this happened who did it he's never asked the question because of course he knows the answer his policies right now are let's see I hate Russia I hate communism I hate China and how's that working out China is writing us off will Putin use nukes do you think no he just wants Ukraine to stay neutral the US government is giving money to zalinski zalinsky and his crew are skimming a chunk off the top and then they're buying diesel from Russia their enemy to continue to keep the war going the Biden inspiration knows they're taking some off the top we know you're skimming but you're skimming too much so keep skimming but skim less because we need you to keep this war going so I can get elected that's what you're saying is going on here it's scary how simple it is it's all about reelection so is anyone motivated to actually come to peace here the deal I hear that would work is ceasefire the borders are where they are demilitarization of Ukraine is going to be the sticking point he's going to say you want to stay get rid of what you got and get it done we do not want to militarize Nato builtup Ukraine next to [Music] [Music] us the world is changing [Music] inspiration is everywhere it has never been so easy to connect share and bring people together we're learning from others and finding the best in [Music] ourselves challenging our beliefs sharing our vulnerability overcoming our fears transforming ourselves so we can transform the [Music] world how far can we go this is London real I am Brian Rose my guest [Music] today this is London real I am Brian Rose my guest today is Seymour Hirsch the investigative journalist political writer and author you first gained widespread recognition in 1969 for exposing the melei massacre and its coverup during the Vietnam war from there you went on to cover the Watergate scandal for the New York Times and also reported on the secret us bombing of Cambodia for your work you've received the pullit surprise for international reporting a record five George pulk Awards and two national magazine awards last time we discussed how the sabotage of the nordstream pipelines was carried out by the CIA us Navy and the Norwegian Navy under the direct order of President Biden since then you have published an article outlining how the US government and intelligence agencies concocted a coverup story to explain away the pipeline sabotage you've also recently claim that president sininsky and the Ukrainian government are involved in a major corruption Scandal that leads right to the heart of the Biden Administration Seymour welcome back to London reel ah hello hello uh it's great to have you here I can't wait to dive even further there's a lot of new information there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation but see more for people that maybe haven't been watching the news for the last 6 months can you just bring people quickly up to speed as far as what is nordstream what happened to it on the 22nd of September and then why did you make this assertion that America were the ones that blew it up well of course what is nordstream is a good question um there are two pipelines that come from Russia to Germany and the United States partly and the Great Britain all of us is part of the notion of containment containment of Russia containment of Communism that started after the after World War I have always been uh particularly by 1960 62 when Russia began building pipelines that were going to that were going to go through Western Europe into Western Europe and they have so much gas and oil there and it's very much less expensive easy to get to and the worry was uh Jack Kennedy was the first person president to really start talking about it was that Russia was weaponizing its gas and oil uh in the Cold War it was weaponizing particularly with Germany Germany was as you know they had a hell of a time after World War II they just spent you know 10 years bombing raping murdering Western Europe and they had to show Western Europe they could be good neighbors after the war and so they became an industrial Powerhouse and a big great trading partner largely due to the fact that they were getting Russian oil and gas mostly gas at a very cheap price and this went on despite worry but Germany wanted that gas and what the countries Now call NATO countries which NATO was set up in 49 um need need needed German gas to be keep their people warm and profitable and so in 19 uh 201 11 a major pipeline that was financed largely by oligarchs from Russia uh 51% and 49% by four different private companies in Europe uh invested many billions of dollars to build a 750 mile pipeline directly from Russia into Germany producing 40% of the of the gas that Germany needed for a year uh at 40% in one big pipeline that ran for 10 years in until Putin and because of the problems we now have the war in and by the way nothing justifies what Putin did starting the first major war in Western Europe that's not that's not acceptable so this isn't a pro or anti-russian thing but this has to do with um you you can't like what Russia did on the other hand um um um the first pipeline was such a success and Putin shut it down himself meanwhile a second pipeline was built called northstream 2 that was the one that was blown up last September as you just said and It produced it was full of gas it hadn't started working yet because Chancellor Schultz of Germany who's pretty much in our pocket I would say uh sanctioned it stopped it and but when he stopped it it was full of 750 miles worth of methane gas and that's what blew up and so in the some last fall uh right before in the end of September as you said uh it was blown up and the Mystery was who did it and why it was an act of you can call it sabotage Terror War crime there's been no judicial decision yet because nobody's acknowledged it and so it was a mystery and um in October I have friends that I was I was people that I would I was dealing with for 340 years um that you know people in America when people retire they still are called upon they can they're asked to come in and this was a very Biden wanted an option um to blow up the pipeline and why did he want that he was afraid that at some point by September the war wasn't looking like it's going to be anything but a draw it's still you know you you can take it any way you want it uh it's still not looking like much of a victory for anybody but it the the odds are the people I know who see some really interesting intelligence and are close to the military I think it's it's all Putin's call how much how much energy how much how much money does he want to put into it and unlike Us in the west Putin controls his arms deep manufacturing he doesn't have to get contracts with northr Grumman he could just say I want more so he's got a lot more weapons at his disposal a lot more troops that he hasn't put into the game and I think at this point it doesn't look so good but last September uh Biden's worry as much as I can tell I'm not I'm not in his head the worry was that West Germany and Europe there's no natural gas no natural oil in that area they've always been dependent on Outsiders for their gas and oil um he was worried that U Germany was under pressure to put more money into the war in Ukraine and it looked to a lot of people even people believe it or not in NATO it looks like they're throwing a lot of bad money a lot of good money after bad we've now put about $120 billion do into that war at a time when we just cut off 15 50 million people from Medical Care just cut them off at the bottom you know we have acute problems like certainly Britain does too you have to subsidize an awful lot of a lot of people in your country to keep it going particularly on energy and so um I think the only rational explanation I can get from this is that bison's fear is that Germany is some point may choose to keep gas going in lie of supporting the war and so he didn't give him the option if this is so um uh this will play out very badly this winter uh we the Europe had a very mild winter but still prices for energy have gone up astronomically in in Germany and if you're a major let's say a a company that construction company that's got a big project you're out of bond and you or maybe out of Berlin you got a big project in Munich you're going to build a big housing complex um you you have to think I can't facture in how much my energy costs are going to be so you have to this stalls a lot of business and I've been look the people in Europe are much more interested in this story you might think I mean I'm getting a um I I don't do politics and I'm not I'm not going there to do speeches but there's a lot of concern about what happened and so far the German government has gone along uh with the American notion that we don't know nothing and it's been a sad sort sort of story for the media because they simply don't want to get around the idea that a president and this America now we're we were terrified by the Trump trump Administration and so if you want to know what I really think I really think my guess is we're looking Biden's certainly going to run again he'll be 86 when he's done and I think if anybody's got a shot at being the next candidate it's Trump again yeah you know if you're going to charge him with pay money to pay off you know some babe you know you're talking you're talking about something that goes on a lot more than we want to talk about you're not gonna get this guy in that case in fact you you've made a lot of money for him and a lot of a lot of Voters so I don't know what's gonna happen with him he's a he's a unique individual I don't like him very much on the other hand a lot of people in America do and right now Biden's P Biden's among the Democrats he's at 32% in terms of wanting to run run again so we're looking at a real crisis in politics here and so there's just been a a wall you know he did such a dumb thing whether it's it's certainly illegal in terms of the law we know economically he's he's reliable for the damages whether there's it's an act of Wars to be decided by not me but uh the resistance of the story um as you know we talked about it when I was on your show a few weeks ago maintain strong and what you when I mentioned the cover story at some point um when you do an operation like this the CIA was asked last winter uh actually in the 2021 before before three months before Russia invaded in February a year ago a year and two months ago they were asked to come up with options what can we do to forall them and there were meetings and I described them in a lot of detail and one of the options that emerges blow up the place and the CIA was given that assignment other agencies were involved too and Norway is of course Norway I I actually wrote about this later Norway has worked with us under under you know dirty tricks in Vietnam and they they were we were operating inside North Vietnam sort of without anybody in America know it knowing it and their their host May they're in the corporations that run some of the largest private uh merchandise uh Merchant Marine ships have also done things for us we just have a long relationship it's got a 14 I think 1400 mile border along the Atlantic Ocean it goes all the way and meets Russia at the Arctic Circle and way up North we've probably put if not half a billion uh more than a billion dollars worth of new bases air we've upgraded air bases we built a new sub we it was a close submarine base they had nor way iians used in World War II we re rebuilt it we put in a more advanced radar we monitor Russia from from we made Norway a number one target for Russia too by the way but the Norwegians are great Sailors and the first thing that the CIA team that was involved was was to head to Norway because it we don't know much about the Baltic Sea and the one thing about the Baltic Sea that makes putting a mine and blowing up a pipeline under the water is there's no gas and oil there so what do you do if you're an American ship you suddenly show up and a bunch of divers jump in and a week later something goes off I mean that can't work so it's complicated and they ended up the team ended up ended up thinking you know people in in the intelligence I'm sure you know some people from some of your five and six people they're pretty smart people and in the end even though they did what the president told them to do they began to like it less and less it didn't make sense because the option of blowing up a pipeline and first of all uh how do you hide it I mean how do you hide who did it and so here we have the United States of America now in the position my and of course what they did is they built a cover story yeah you can't do an operation unless you have a cover story in case it's blown and the cover story was because I think last time we spoke Seymour the cover story hadn't broke yet and I think you told the only thing that was happening was is that everyone was calling you out saying where are the sources you're like I'm not going to name my sources but anybody who knows my record knows that I know what's going on and that my sources are always there and so that's the way they were attacking your credibility and I think you said you said Brian the German Chancellor is going to DC next week and we're going to see what happens I think that's kind of where we left it and then from there the chancellor went there and then I think we saw this cover story emerge in the New York Times that's what's happened I think since the last time you were here went there on on his plane big luxury like just like we have an Air Force One a big beautiful plane with no reporters that rarely happens went there by himself no State visit no joint con no joint press conversation with the president we have a chain of motels called Motel 6 that's about 15 bucks and my joke was I we probably put him up in a Motel 6 for that night we have no idea where he spent the day came on a Thursday or Friday uh it was a Thursday I think and the next day they finally had one event from him a 10-minute session in which each sat in front of the press Court they were brought in no questions to be asked and um they each had read from notes about how wonderful the other guy was and then it was over and and then they we learned pardon me we learned a couple days later they had an 80-minute private meeting in which I did learn a little bit about which is certainly did discuss um uh Joe Biden has a lot of reason to know what I can do I could just tell you from his days in the white house and there were times when he wanted me to do certain things he knows I have PE he knows I know things I've been around you know in this town for a long time and he'd been I got here in 65 he became a senator in 72 um he's an okay guy um he you know he's just okay not great and his policies right now are let's see I hate Russia I hate communism I hate China and how's that working out China is now emerging as a major force and just you know sticking it right in our eye cutting a deal with the Iranians cutting a deals with of all people the Saud these buying oil in the end and probably going to start using its currency to buy oil I mean it's just amazing how we've lost leverage and nobody pays attention to that very much anyway the point of all this is um out of this emerge this amazingly strange story that they tried to sell which was that a group of um Iranian dissidents did it and there was a boat called the androme andromida named a classical Greek myth a lot of boats are named that with that name including one of the top 100 biggest yachts in the world it's a it's a very it's a old folklore story about a a beautiful virgin woman um who was naked and saved by somebody you know sort of interesting story anyway the bottom line is they came up with this story and they had it already that they had done it and I got to tell you everybody bit it was a 49 F foot yacht everybody bit on the idea that this yacht could sail to a point uh in the in the Baltic uh 260 feet deep drop an anchor 260 feet and then have some divers go down and you know divers that have to they have to have divers have to have guys dress them I mean even though it's a modern lightweight it's not like the old steel suits you saw and they had a you know a mixture gas and you have to have a recovery facility for them when they come up uh uh otherwise they spend all day down there coming up so slow you have to go up stop three times and you don't want to do it on a covert Mission so that was the story they sold and a lot of people bought it and then I wrote a piece because I just had to saying that look that was all pre-planned by these guys you know we like your intelligence service we have a lot of smart people in it as I said and it doesn't mean they're always right uh they do what the President says and these are guys who you know the the classic thing for the head of the CIA is does he work for the crown or the Constitution and most CIA directors decide they work for the crown which always is a problem um that's always a problem um because they end up doing things that are legal in this case they did something illegal and um but they had a cover story and the fact that so many people wanted to believe that story says so much about the resistance to the truth in this case in the UN there was a vote of 12 to3 against doing an investigation with the United States lining up the 12 and to this day not one of the White House reporters has ever on a in a in a open public you their their broadcast the the daily news conferences with the press secretary nobody's ever gotten up and said have you ever the president has the United States president has the right to task it's a formal word t the intelligence Community to give him solve a problem all he had to do was say if he was really innocent last September when this happened who did it and he's never task the community he's never asked the question because of course he knows the answer and I don't know why um it's just so hard for the media to get over this they just can't get to that I guess they my guess is the paper I worked for the New York Times and Washington Post the other sort of standard Liberal Liberal papers uh are just so much afraid of of another Trump or another Republican right they're going to back this guy that's they protect him either consciously or subconsciously they want to protect him at all all means which means the truth goes out the window or any any form of real investigative journalist goes out the window and they just ignore it and move on to the next thing which is probably shocking for you to see that happening at the New York Times a paper you worked at for a long time that used to be considered the crown jewel of Journalism and now they came out with the article and talked about the Iranians with the Bulgarian passports on the yacht and look Seymour I had just spent an hour with you and I know a lot of people that are up on the story and I was almost laughing out loud because you told me that it takes experienced divers you told me about the mixture of the gases that you need you told me how complicated of an operation it is and then they went to that island where there's a few people there and they interviewed him and they were like oh yeah we saw a few people on the yacht and I'm just thinking there's like 14 people on that island like it's like come on I mean you had to know delivered food to them yeah there must a bunch of people I mean it was it's just ridiculous one of the great Mysteries is they only destroyed three of the mines and the fourth what happened why what happened and uh actually a pretty good news reporter for a German newspaper came to see me and um um uh was sort of mad at me for writing the story I did because he had a different point of view of it but he said he he said to me um uh his big problem was well you know he said of course the French and the Danes uh tried to go and recover the one mine that didn't go off remember there were it's a mine it wasn't it's it's a C4 bomb but underwater it's called a mine and they didn't get it and he said and I said oh I I said I didn't say I agree with him I said why do you think why didn't they get it he said well the Americans were there first and I said to well was interesting to me and I said why did they get there first and he said you know how the Americans are they want to be first and the thing that was funny about it it's really very simple why the fourth mine didn't go off when you're down 260 feet underwater you've got only two miners the trick of a covert operation is you keep it very tight that's what made the Norwegians so important Norwegians fronted for us there was a Norwegian boat the Norwegians did the basic work told us where we could hit both pyth lines send people down you have a shot of getting it we trained for months in the Baltic Sea and um um it's it's a it's a very rapidly you know turns over every year it's a a fast cooking and not very salty anyway so that what happened is they ran out of time you can only stay down there about 15 minutes and they ran out of time and so they they they did three they they were told get out of here so there never was a fourth mine but if there had been a fourth mine which everybody thought it's the most lethal thing in the world and the most difficult thing it's an unexploded mine and powerful enough to blow up a New York City building it's a big pipeline they want to be sure they can get it the pipeline is steel but it's covered by a big concrete barrier that keep saltwater from getting near the pipeline and and it's it's most difficult job in the world to extricate one of those and there's so much dumbness stuff going on it's so obvious that you couldn't go pick up an empty mind and then then there were talks two weeks ago that they found a fuzzy something there some fuzzy thing I don't know if you saw the story it was a picture of some fuzzy thing under the water they thought could have been a Sono device that triggered the fourth mine that failed and I'm sitting here thinking they never was a fourth mine you know and you know maybe I should have said that earlier seemed like a small detail but they made such a big deal out of it it's and the swedes and the Danes I'm tired of pretending that maybe they didn't know come on in that first story for a lot of reasons I didn't say they didn't know what I said is the way we I did a lot of lot of negotiation about these words that um we never told them what they should have figured out okay that's how we left it that's how because obviously there allies they don't like Russia Sweden's trying to get in it in the UN and the Danes um um Denmark um I think was one of the first signers of the of the 19 uh initial signers of the NATO treaty and so now if you carry this out to where it's going to be if next this winter was mild um next winter the odds are will not be they have that gas they're paying more for it in France um I know friends that are paying five times as much for electricity because one of the things about having so much cheap gas is you run your generators on gas you you know you don't have to have coal burning and now they're talking about putting back two nuclear plants that were shut down um because you know everybody knows what happened in Chernobyl Three Mile Island they're shut down because it they're they're terrific if you could be sure you can get people to run them right and it doesn't turns out it's hard to do that now they're thinking of reopening those but that's not going to help a lot and so um what Germany did last year to get through the winter is they subsidize everybody's home I can't say how many hundreds of millions of marks in the bons 20 to 20 some businesses were subsidized 25% their heating bill that's not going to be able to be done this year the money's not there so it's going to be a very rough If the fall comes cold is going to be looking at tremendous Anger from Western Europe because he's costing everybody a lot of money it's three times three to four times as much for natural gas in Italy um and um uh everywhere it's just it's inflation is booming you know how it is here and meanwhile Biden keeps on asking Western Europe for more money and tanks he's now got German tanks um fighting in Russia for the first time since World War II yeah and I want to get into that War I just want to finish up in the pipeline because there was the New York Times did the article on it and then one of the reporters was was put on a podcast I think an internal New York Times podcast and when they kind of pressed him more on the issue he really seemed like he either didn't know or even the sources didn't seem even incedible to him and that story kind of finished up by saying we we probably know that we'll never really know and it was I've never ever heard a major paper like that report a story like that where it's like oh it felt like they were literally owning it in they're like we just are writing the story cuz we kind of have to and we just hope that nobody asks us again that's literally the way it sounded it's you know you know I worked at without getting you're right his message was he gave up he did a podcast he didn't have to do it he went the New York Times now is like a lot of newspapers very audience you know I subscribe to the New York Times and I get there's 15 different magazines and things I could get you know what I mean it's so full of it's not B the business isn't newspapers anymore anymore the paid circulation used to be 1.7 when I worked there 1.7 million now it's you know 310 or 15,000 you know the the newspaper soon going to be gone it's all going to be online yeah but when I by the way the other big riff about me is unnamed sources and I worked at the New York Times about eight years during which I want all sorts of prizes wrote a story about domestic spying in the CIA I'm not I'm not always a friend of the CIA they they would they tried to kill a yend they probably did but you know I'm never going to get that sorry they certainly were involved in overthrowing him in Chile and they also they did what the president asked and they also were involved in spying on American citizens for Johnson he thought everybody against the war was a communist and Russia was running it you know that kind of nuttiness but I did all these stories when all these PRI maybe 40 prizes in seven eight years there and 95% of them had no name sources and the paper knew in the beginning the first few stories they asked me and I would tell them one time I'll just tell you one one of the early stories I did they asked me and it was the chairman of a major committee and the head of the CIA with the unnamed sources and I showed my notes to the end after that he said I I give up go away I don't want to hear what you do so it's just bizarre to me it's not about me and it's not even about you know I do this stuff on substack and by the way it's say substack I hire the best editor I worked with in the last 30 years to work for me and I hired the best fact Checker I worked at the New Yorkers magazine for I don't know probably 15 20 years over the last 50 and always with a lot of hard stories particularly after the invasion of Iraq a lot of stories about CIA involved in the middle of Iran and all that and the the fact Checkers know my people and so I hired one of the best who's retired he came out he's having fun it's fun to do it you're going back into play and making noise so I'm I'm I'm aware that I'm flawed I can always screw up like anybody else I can get the wrong date or I can have the wrong story or I can miss something and that's so I have the same backup I had only I'm paying for it now happily and but and and so what's the difference the difference can only be as I said earlier a a visceral fear of the coming of the Republicans that's all I can think of right and you know the same in the Washington Post The Washington Post now has stories that begin they har a story about Ukraine and they'll have a little there'll be five bind lines on it and they'll say this story was written by the following and they name them all and I I say to myself that's the first lie five people writing a story that's the desk is writing that the editor wants to know that's her her she's a woman it is a woman and um um so they begin with the LIE when they have all these names on the story right so they're Towing they're Towing the line because they want to make sure literally Trump doesn't get in office and so the news is now all pro Ukraine and Ukraine is winning the war that's the narrative here in Britain and in the us. which is not true from what I've heard from actually CIA sources and the recent leak we saw from the Pentagon told us quite the opposite and so what they're doing is they're suppressing anything that might not get Biden reelected including we saw a few years ago thanks to the Twitter files all the hunter Biden laptop stuff all those things where the staff at Twitter in conjunction with what looked like the CA and every other government subcommittee and agency was trying to plant this Russian collusion story trying to suppress that laptop story and they they corrupt the journalism at the end of the day this just seems to be happening on a massive scale is that what's happening here again I I look you know I um I mean know um I probably I mean I'm not a political I'm a a classic sort of um uh lib lab although I I've given money to Republicans you know I I'm not a big I don't I I I donations don't work for me because um most of the time if they come public they they hurt the person but I certainly so it's not about you know the reality is uh we've gone nuts on foreign policy under Biden and he has this group of guys around him Tony blinkin who was the Secretary of State who was never been an ambassador never worked in the state department he's been the handhold for Biden in his third last 20 30 years of Congress bid became you know by seniority became chairman of the he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee he's been chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and he's been there as his right-hand political guy and the uh the guy running uh thetion security security advisor Jake Sullivan is his name was Hillary's lawyer among other things uh when she had problems with Gmail and the problems I will tell you if she'd been elected she would have a lot of problems for me I'll tell you that about what I know about that and so you have the most experienced guy is Bill Burns the um who was a a deputy secretary of state ambassador to Russia when he was Ambassador to Russia about a decade ago he finished his they he retired after that I think maybe one more tour and he wrot a book about his experiences warning not to keep NATO coming east because Russia at some point Putin will sometime will go to war he doesn't want NATO coming into particularly in Ukraine and you mentioned the story that I wrote a couple weeks ago about corruption and I'll just tell you it was Burns himself had gone to um um to to to see zinsky in Kiev um and the message and he wasn't alone there were other people in his Entourage obviously because I would to go he certainly isn't going to tell me this story his message was it turns out and you can only it's hard to get your head around this um Ukraine needs diesel fuel to run its War to run it's they operate mostly on diesel uh refined diesel It's a much easier to refine than the kind of gas we use here and I'm sure in England too but you use a lot of diesel too for your trucks anyway the military equipment the tanks and everything running run on diesel and since the War Began 14 months ago this is he's been buying his Diesel from Russia I can't this I can't fathom so UK keep on going okay keep going it is a huge Kickback involved the agency in its investment is a it's internal analysis figured out to Kickback so far on just on the the gas alone the diesel gas is 400 million bucks and there's a mechanism in Ukraine for spreading the money you got to spread the money and if you now if you think about it um now every agency in the government if you have to buy toilet paper for a division in the field 20,000 troop that's a lot of business and all the agencies that used to deal directly with producers and manufacturers now have front companies they now have they've brought in a third party because that helps the skim they can have more corruption God knows what the real corruption is it's in the bons you know obviously so the message the CI director gives Linsky who we we applaud as this great leader is hey buddy uh you got a lot of generals and Senior guys in the government really you know really pissed at you because you know you're taking too much of the take cut back the percentage I know this sounds like mop talk I think I use that word it's like out of a mafiosa movie yeah and so what he did was there were we gave him a list of 35 people that we knew were corrupt in the in the bureaucracy military and in the bureaucracy and what he did was he fired 10 and the 10 he fired were the most ostentatious and I'm here to tell you I have not been there myself but I've talked to people about this much of Kiev is an upper middle class world it's a high livers gu guys with drivers um liquor stores where you can buy I read a story the other day you could buy a $600 bottle of rum if you want Even though that's not the drink of choice there um uh it's just a luxury land parts of it because it's so much skim and and the guys in the field they know this they know what's going on which also doesn't help morale not being reported and so he he got rid of the 10 most ostentatious guys and there we go what are you gonna do is the American government going to talk about it and when I run this story with direct quotes from the conversation he had not one paper picks up on it and I think you're I think you're absolutely right I think it's a visceral fear of the next election because you got a guy that's 80 and he's not you know uh he had a talk two days ago in which I was told he began to wander which you do when you get older take it for me you begin to wander wander around quite a bit and so just to summarize the the the US government is giving money to zalinski lski and his crew are skimming a chunk off the top and then they're buying diesel from Russia their enemy to continue to keep the war going and the war is big business for the top aelon of the elite of Ukraine the longer it goes the more money they're going to make the Biden inspiration knows they're taking some off the top and the old Moss comes in and says look we know you're skimming but you're skimming too much so keep skimming but skim less because we need you to keep this war going so I can get elected in the next 16 months cuz without a war going on I got no chance I barely have a chance with the war going on and now that Trump is is starting to open his M mind mouth I got even less chance that's what you're saying is going on here you just you should have been a good editor and you said it in about two sentences you gotta it's it's it's scary how simple it is right it's all about reelection and what happened today today in my new old newspaper the New York Times a long story about how the leadership in Russia Chi and others are just walking away from us and cutting deals uh they've cut deals at Saudi Arabia we talked about what they're doing and it's a long story never mentions the fact that we have been from the moment this group blinking winking I call them blinking winking and LD nod for new Victoria newand this like a kid story they've been so outspokenly full of hate of Russia but from the moment they got in two months after they got in they had the the Secretary of State Tony blinkin who by the way he's personally apparently a very nice guy I don't know him but he just has longstanding hostility to everything communist he he met with the Chinese in in um in Alaska and he really pissed them off he began telling him what they should start doing internally you know we're a country with I just wrote the other week about Guantanamo you know yeah we I want to get into that we we we murdered ourselves by putting those people the taking people dragging them and throwing them in jail and mistreating them in in in the Middle East are you kidding we're going to pay for that for a long time what we did no due process anyway and so we have a secretary of state a month ago some balloons we taught China when China was our buddy against Russia we taught them about using weather balloons for low-level you know intelligence collection we gave him we gave him the formula for it we that about I didn't know yeah about three decades ago we gave him we taught him how to do it and so the secretary estate of the United States is supposed to go meet with his counterpart in China there's been a lot of tension and relationship ships and he canceled it because of a balloon that we shot down with a brand new Air Force plane the plane was an F22 was the first combat mission of a plane you know the cost overrun in America is always because it's private Enterprise always is it's like anybody has their house done redone there's always over extra that the the contractor comes here with there always is in the in the airplane business too but I will tell you it's what I'm telling now is true it's just a silly fact the first combat mission of the 22 this new plane we have a base it's in southeast America where they're based it's a fantastic plane uh it first hit the first combat mission was destroying the balloon and the pilot who did it fired the missile you know that missile that probably cost eight times as much as the balloon a million dollar missile knocked it out lands and in World War II you're you're I I've read a lot about the air war in Britain That's a classic talk about integrity and and guts and intelligence and willing to die but when they got the mistress Miss they used to pant them on the side um the little plags and and we did it with the p-51s and the zeros against the Japanese zeros I go back to World War II we and so the guy came back and he planted mockingly like a little balloon on the side of his plane the first hit was a balloon but the the the the secretary estate won't visit its counterpart because of a balloon right well let's talk about China briefly because it's a real issue and then I definitely want to get actually I really want to get your thoughts on Trump and then I do want to finish with Guantanamo but China I mean they're making serious moves I mean every day I open up the paper online news and boom uh x's in Brazil boom x's in the Middle East the boom UAE is is selling oil based in the Yuan um they're making major moves around the world obviously with Belton Road initiative um they're they're they have this long game where they're think 100 years out maybe a thousand years out and you know our current Administration is doing nothing to check them whatsoever um it's looking really dangerous and they're refusing to engage at all with the us or vice vers by the way you're saying here and it it it looks really dangerous what's going on right now China is writing us off they've been writing us off now finally there's a it was actually in the New York Times that I writing us off a long story about what China is doing why they're writing us off not one mention of what the Biden administ hostility towards China has been hate hate hate everything Chinese which is and China's got problems you know they have that the the old Silk Road they want to build the salt and whatever they salt whatever something Road they're down 70 billion bucks on it they've they've invested heavily in navy bases they've got a they put a lot of money into you know just a big natural Harbor uh theyve in the Bahamas they put a lot of money into it they've done one in Nairobi they've done one in Pakistan in yes in Pakistan Karachi they put money into they're not getting money back people are stiffing them so they actually have a currency problem they have a lot of reason to want you know and what's Biden going to do now uh you know there's so much we we do so much trade with them he's now going to issue some orders I understand cutting back you know um sanctions cutting back American abil willingness to continue watching the rest of the episode for free visit our website London real.tv or click the link in the description below [Music]