"The Sports Forum's 2024 MAC Football Conference Show" | PREDICTIONS FOR THE Mid-American Conference

[Music] what is going on everybody happy Tuesday welcome on into the sports forums college football show I would say show of the week but that would be a livee folks we have a lot of college football shows for you guys this week if you've been sleeping under a rock we are about four days from getting ready for that first college football game of the year so definitely got to get you guys everything this week if you already missed it we got I'm just going to put it out there we got SEC Big 12 Big 10 Mountain West Conference Conference USA the acmy maxtion which is coming for you right here right now and the list goes on we are covering all the divisions guys all the conferences check them out sports for media.com also on our YouTube page at the Sports Forum appreciate you guys click that subscribe button drop a like on a video we appreciate you guys so much but Mr mclin talk with that said we got about half an hour here for the people that we're going to cover this division in and like I already mentioned guys this is one of the best divisions in football if you do not agree with that I'm sorry for you you must just be one of those miserable people on Wednesdays and Thursdays it's like oh there's nothing to watch yes there is it's called maction Baby MidAmerican conference is what that stands for Mac action okay if you didn't put that together okay we're starting somewhere Mr mlin talk your overall thoughts man before we get into the 2024 teams real quick Miami of Ohio gets it done last year they win the Mac 7-1 in the conference 11-3 overall four- one at home six and one away that was in the East and then I do want to point out in the west the big dog over there was Toledo 8-0 in the conference 11 and3 overall six and0 at home five- one away just looking at those two big powerhouses and just kind of how it finished last year what was your 2023 closing thoughts of the Mac I mean 2023 we saw a little bit of everything we saw a team just kind of absolutely tumble out of nowhere and then we saw teams absolutely rise up I mean we'll get into Toledo and Miami here in a little bit but I mean the rise of the Ohio Bobcats as well is something that I really think needs to be investigated as well because it's not everything that's happening just there in Columbus the University of Ohio they are doing absolutely fantastic things there as well so the entire state of Ohio really they've got pretty good football all around with the exception of a couple of schools and we'll get to them here very early on in our rankings but it's just nice to see that there's actually parody in one of these conferences now rather than just seeing always you know Michigan Ohio State in the Big 10 or Alabama Georgia in the SEC or you know the ACC it's Florida State and Clemson and it's just nice seeing a variety of things it absolutely is and guys like Ian is talking about here there's a lot of variety in this conference and it's one of those conferences that it feels like every year you look at some of the big dog conferences right and it's kind of like okay that they're gonna win like does anyone look at George's conference and think they ain't gonna win it I mean it could happen but they probably gonna win it y'all so looking here at the Mac guys we're going to start here as we've been doing with all of our different previews we're going to go through and rank all of these teams we're going to tell you how many wins we think for each team who's going to be on bottom who's going to be on top and who is someone maybe a sleeper that you guys should be watching for so looking here Mr mclin talk at the midam American Conference you guys can see here a quick preview here written by our Manny and mclin talk the man himself so you guys go check that out if you want a deeper longer read and you really are someone that cares about the Mac please go check this out and read through it but getting on down into the Mac you guys can see best players here once again I ain't gonna tell y'all everything you got to go over there and go figure it out at the on the site but Kent State Ian coming in the golden flashes three wins is the prediction for these fellas got them in the very very bottom spot here why is Kent State at the bottom of our ranking well I mean it's very simple it's just when you come off of one in 11 season and you have zero wins over an actual FBS team it's very easy to go ahead and put you guys at the bottom and that's not really supposed to be a disrespect towards Ken State because they do actually have a little bit of talent there at the University but it's got to be something you have to at least win something in the FBS level for you to even get out of the bar bottom of the barel and I do expect them to get at least a couple wins but right now until you show me differently I'm sorry you're stuck there at number 12 for a long long time I think I'm not gonna debate much of these teams at the bottom here guys because there's not much to debate Kent State is that bad and I want to shout out to the CU Buffs real quick because uh you know they kind of stole their head coach you know not too long ago who's you know now on to his own Ventures there um but with that said Kent State still appear to be in that rebu building phase they haven't got the offense back that they had you know previously over the past few years so tough one for them man I feel bad for them I think they can fight I think their ceiling feeling is four wins but their floor is like one win so you know they better be very careful there but guys it's the me so you never know maybe it won't be on the bottom there but jumping on down to number 11 here Ball State Cardinals coming in three wins is the projection you mentioned here the offense having some problems finding consistency defense needs new Playmakers Amen to that that's my number one knock on Ball State is I just don't know who the heck they going to stop right now on the defensive side of the ball what's your thoughts here on these guys overall so honestly I could have easily put these guys down at number 12 very very easily with Kent State but the fact that Kent State can't even win a game at the FBS level that kind of just put them down in the seller dwellers but yeah same kind of the same thing with Ball State I honestly believe that Ball State probably has the weakest roster out of the 12 teams here in the Mac I do believe that they may have an ability obviously they're going to win their game against the FCS opponent but beyond that I feel like they're going to be able to stay competitive maybe sneak away with a couple games but unfortunately this feels like it could be another situation similar to Kent State where the rest of the Mac kind of sees them as an extra bye o damn man shots for extra bye the disrespect get the shovels Out start digging the great boy you don't want to be known for that y'all but you know man Ball State this a tough one for me but I think I agree with you where they are in the ranking at 1112 you're right you could put him at 12 sure but I think that they're this much better than Kent State Kent State really is I mean laughing stocks a mean word but that's pretty much how I would describe that football team so there you go guys a lot of question marks on ball stage shouldn't be much of a competitor but jumping on down we're getting into our big 10 so at least we're getting somewhere the AC Zips this team to me Ian is kind of known year in and year out for just being a gatekeeper you know what I mean like kind of like you're mentioning about bye like they're just one of those teams you see here they've won seven games over the last five seasons four of those wins being against FBS teams but you mention that there's hope Morehead good head coach you said he was great at Fordham the defense was miserable in 2023 once again that's my biggest fear with these guys guys in the Mac we do tend to see defense kind of being a problem over there if you don't have a defense you're in big trouble because the big dogs at the top of this list they do have a defense so what does akan have to do to finally not be the laughing stock of this conference it's really simple for them just get The Passing game going and stay efficient and be more efficient than completing only 52% of your passes because you do have the weapons on the outside you just inherited a pretty good tight end at a Wayne State as well so I mean you have the opportunities to make this happen you've got a solid quarterback there as well and like I mentioned the defense was good in 2023 it was decent but it was the offense that kind of fell apart 2022 it was vice versa so now year three you would have to hope that they could put two and two together and make potato or whatever you want to call it or no wait this is AC they make rubber there you go make four I don't know yeah yeah two and two they make four that's where I have them I just don't see a whole lot right now I just feel like there's a whole lot more Talent here in the top half of the Mac that's going to be able to steal a few wins but look out for akan they may be able to get a win over say like your Buffalo's your Eastern michigans teams like that well I'm glad that we're in agreement here because I agree with you that these guys are not the bottom and I've seen quite a few ranking lists out there that they did put akan at the bottom and I guess you know based on the last five seasons it that that makes sense but at the same time guys I'm with Ian here I'm glad that he me mentioned the potential for this football team they're on their way they're not there yet but they are a team that I agree with you they will beat someone in our big five I would actually feel rather confident that they're probably going to do so so we'll see what happens there but there you go guys number 10 akan Zips they're not on bottom I think they'd be happy just with that but the number nine Eastern Michigan Eagles by the way I almost went to this school it's pretty cool school there but five wins on the year or is the prediction a to seven season last year this football team man I'm kind of glad that you mentioned it in this piece right here because they're they're one of the only teams that I consistently don't feel a 100% about I don't know when I want to fade them I don't know when I want to take them I like to take them at the spread I feel like when I do they lose by 30 and then all of a sudden they're in a game with someone till the very end like I can't figure them out so help me out here for those watching is Eastern Michigan a team that should surprise some people I do believe that they have the ability to surprise some people again I think their biggest issue is going to be trying to get that defense put back together because the transfer portal absolutely decimated it as well as a lot of their key players graduating and moving on to the next level or just moving on with life in general but I do believe that Eastern Michigan they do have a pretty decent amount of talent there on the offensive side their schedule is actually relatively lenient compared to some of the other teams here on this conference list here as well so that's why I have them at five wins I don't know if they're going to make it back to a bll game and let's be honest if they make it back to a bll game are they just going to get blown out 68 to 10 to South Alabama again I don't think anybody wants to see that so I just hope that they have a much better showing there any ifs Salan you know I understand why you got them here at nine but I think call me crazy I might put akan at nine and I might put Eastern Michigan it 10 here um just because I feel like Eastern Michigan just has more question marks for me and I do like teams that are trajectory is going in the right direction and with these guys these guys are these guys are in the hospital bed and they're lying looking like this bro they ain't doing nothing so with that said man Eastern Michigan at nine guys five wins is the prediction I'm gonna say that's their ceiling I don't think they're a better football team than five games here for me personally I have them at four on the year but jumping on down to number eight here the Buffalo not the bills folks it's the Bulls if you guys don't already know I'd like that you mentioned here about they um turn his three-year run into a co-defensive cordinator gig at Alabama man this football team right here they're one of the only ones that on a weekly basis if you watch them you never want to like not take these guys in a juicy dog spot you know what I mean because like they're one of those teams that they they get in those 34 31 shootout kind of games all the time and I love taking me a buffalo bows money line against you know a Miami Ohio or a Toledo I always love taking them because I think even though you put them at five wins two of those five wins are probably going to be upsets absolutely it is and this is one of those teams that absolutely appears to be the Kryptonite of some of these higher Echelon teams here in the Mac it's just a matter of can you get them on their right day and again with Pete limbo he's coming in he has to back up Lance Leopold I'm sorry but we've seen what he's now done at Kansas he's turned into one of the best coaches across all of college football and now Buffalo they've got to find a way to get back to it I do like their roster a heck of a lot more than the bottom four in this roster at least so I can see a few wins on their side however they do have a couple of tough or tougher games on the road especially having to go to Toledo that's never a fun option there but again you mentioned it this is this team where they like to Spring that upset where nobody thinks that they're going to get there and they'll spring an upset or two and maybe they get to six but I feel comfortable saying that they will get to five out of curiosity in your opinion is which are the one or two games that they're going to be dogs in that you feel like right now are like serious bark potential for those people out there and I'm not talking about like you know like oh plus 120 like what who in the big five do you think these guys can beat this year when they really break it down maybe looking at like a plus three plus 400 straight up moneyline type of bet straight up moneyline kind of bet I personally like them against Ohio I really like their defense I think that they're going to be able to line up against the Bobcats really nicely there as well I would say that they're probably going to be my favorite as far as being an underdog as far as them playing against like your miamis or Toledos your Bowling Greens I just um I'm not 100% confident that I would actually say that I would take Buffalo as confidently even if they are an underdog it just may still be too much for me to take them over the others all right I like your Ohio prediction there I I kind of agree with you it hurts me a little bit because I'm I like Ohio they're one of those football teams that they're another one of those teams I don't like fading them and when they're a dog with a spread I love taking the points with Ohio I think that they're Fighters over there but you're right man that they're one of those teams that's susceptible to losing a big one so with that said speaking about teams that like to lose big ones in number seven Western Michigan the Broncos shout out to Broncos country but you mentioned here everyone knew the first season under Lance Taylor would be a little bit Rocky offense improved a little bit defense struggled too much agreed and the Special Teams weren't quite strong enough I think you're being a very nice person by saying weren't quite strong enough they sucked and as someone who's a specialist that was embarrassing call me coach I got one year eligibility left let me pull up because Ian that's not gonna cut it you can't be undisciplined on special freaking teams you gotta find a way to be better than that so with all that said your thoughts on Lance Taylor overall and looking at this year do you think this is an improved football team from last year it needs to be an improved football team from last year because like I mentioned there in that third paragraph that schedule at least as far as conference play you avoid three of our four top or actually I believe you avoid all three of the big dogs all all of our top three that we have in the match Western Michigan does not have on the schedule this year now granted it is going to be a very Rocky start because they open at Wisconsin then they go to Ohio State so they're going to be starting 0 and two but again when you have but again when you avoid the big three that is got to say something and you have to be able to come up clutch You' got to come up with some Road winds here and you have to be able to defend your home turf and again you mentioned it special teams that has got to be the key for the Western Michigan Broncos you've got to get it through the uprights you've got to start pinning your opponents deep because otherwise you're just setting up your defense for failure Amen to that brother so my question though six wins do you think it's more likely that these guys win four or these guys win eight I I know yeah and see that is the tougher question because again you just kind of look at their schedule they're gon to get the bethon cookman game let's just agree on that they'll they'll get that game in week three but then you go to Marshall you go to Ball State and then you're home for akan those are three of those should be wins yep and then from there you go to Buffalo you're home for Kent State you should beat Kent State Buffalo game I mentioned earlier Buffalo they like to try to Spring an upset I don't know if you would call it an upset but that's going to be a pretty close game there then they get a bye and then you get Northern Illinois Bowling Green Central Michigan Eastern Michigan so you could probably win two of those that's why I have them right at about six because it feels like they're going to get there but if they're going to get closer to four or closer to eight I'm going to say they may end up falling short of six is it more likely that they beat one of the better teams they're playing or more likely that a team like akan or Kent State upsets them I think it's going to be the first of the two options I think that they're going to be able to handle their business only because they do end up getting akan at home they do get Kent State at home as well they get Northern Illinois at home and they get Eastern Michigan at home so their only real tough road games this year really is going to be at Bing green and at Central Michigan and those are both in the middle of November so I mean the Mac they do like end up beating each other up I do feel like Washington Michigan they may be able to Spring a little bit of an upset if you want to call it that in either of those games there you go guys number seven Western Michigan Broncos but we're jumping on over here to number six the Northern Illinois Huskies and Ian this is a very interesting one for me man because I feel like Northern Illinois they're one of those teams that I feel like is a couple breaks from being on top of this whole damn thing they're they're very disciplined which I like about them yeah they've had their moments but they're very disciplined football team but you put here consistently hasn't exactly been a strong suit and that's the only place where I think you could say that consistently consistency plays into being disciplined right you shouldn't go out there and KCK the out of Toledo and then being a three-point Thriller with akan that's not that's not supposed to happen right and that's what these guys do and I'm kind of surprised personally that you have them in the six spot here I had them a little bit higher on my list but I understand why you have them here for me it's more of the fact of I'm kind of optimistic when it comes to Northern Illinois I think the offense is sneaky good they can put up 30 a game when they really are feeling themselves their defense does tend to stand on their head they have a great home field advantage when they play at home I like Northern Illinois but please explain to me why you only have them at six wins here and don't have them in the big five and again it all comes down to that very first word in this three paragraph breakdown the consistency we just don't know what version of the Northern Illinois huskys we're going to get are we going to get the team that can stand up to the power five teams like your Boston colleges or are we going to get the team that falls to Southern Illinois which is an FCS school they play to their team's ability rather than playing to their own and I think that's what's going to end up hampering them in the long run they do also have a couple games against Toledo and Miami as well and I just don't see them really being able to stack up with them as we get further and further into their schedule they're going to be able to handle their business they'll beat their Kent States your akans your Eastern michigans but when it comes to the big dogs I just don't know if they're going to have enough especially on the defensive side of the ball to contain them yeah uh I think I think your your concerns are valid my man I I see what you're saying but do you agree with me that when they play their game they're arguably a top three top four team in this confer confence if they're on if they are on yes they are absolutely a top four team but again that means that they have to be on for a full 60 Minutes not for 45 not for 50 a full 60 which is their thing you'll see them ball out for three quarters and choke a 17-point lead in the fourth quarter and you're life exactly what is going on with these guys exactly I don't know man all right guys there you go Northern Illinois Huskies coming in with six wins on the year I'm I'm going to say that these guys for me guys we'll talk about this next team but I think these guys for me are in my personal big five but now you got the central Michigan chipa was coming in six wins as well in the Five Spot Central Michigan supposed to win go to bll games and be in the mix but they have not been what is going on do you think Jim head coach there I ain't gonna try to pronounce the last name because I don't feel like butching it right now so Ian what's your thoughts here on the head coaching for Central Michigan and the team in general why why did you put them above Northern Illinois so I did put them above simply with the coaching from coach M Wayne we saw what he was able to do at Colorado State he turned Colorado State really around before Jay norell got there had a little bit of a rough spot there down at the University of Florida and it seems like he's really found a spot there with the central Michigan chipa was here he does still like his spread offense and if Bert Emanuel junior is able to really become the quarterback that a lot of people expect him to be he's easily going to be a top five quarterback they've got a lot of good transfers coming in a couple from other Max schools are actually choosing to go to Central Michigan to go play with berd Emanuel Jr and I think it's all going to come down to if he stays healthy and if he's able to scramble like a lot of people know that he's able to I could definitely see Central Michigan pulling off a lot more games successfully than I do see with Northern Illinois and that's why I have them here at my number five spot interesting I I completely see what you're saying I personally feel like the ceiling is higher for Northern Illinois but you're right consistency wise these guys are a much more you know what you're gonna get when Central Mission G goes on the field I feel like you know what's up teams know how to beat them but they also are very good at saying you're gonna have to beat us we're not GNA beat ourselves and in maction a lot I think teams do beat themselves a lot in this conference so there you go guys he's got Central Michigan at five I'm gonna do a switch of ruie there I'm gonna put Central Michigan at six Northern Illinois at five but it's very very close there obviously we put six wins for both of those teams so you guys can go ahead and cut that cake however you feel like doing it but getting into the big four Bowling Green Falcons shout out to my family uh if you Haven been to Bowling Green maybe don't go but I love that place I really enjoy it out there if you guys want to be on a college campus with nothing else in sight head over to Bowling Green it's a great place to be but Ian you have these guys at the four spot but you also have them with six wins like everybody else at five and six so why are these guys four spot so yeah so four five six and seven I have them all at six wins only because again with the Mac this just becomes kind of a meat grinder kind of situation where there's a lot of 5050 games through a lot of these especially in this 4 through seven range for Bowling Green I just like their ability just to be able to have a little bit more of an edge here I actually like them to win more games I have them likely winning more games than I do have the other three there only two losses that I know for sure are going to be losses are when they go to Happy Valley and when they go down to Texas A&M I'm sorry Bowling Green I love you guys but it's just not going to be there for you but just kind of looking at their schedule as well they get Northern Illinois at home they get Miami at home their only real big road game is going to at Toledo on October 26th in that game right there Bowling Green has the defense to keep up with Toledo's offense so that's why I actually like Bowling Green a little bit more than 5 six and seven I just feel like their defense is going to be able to stack up just a little bit better against the big dogs maybe steal an extra game there so I have them at six wins they definitely have the ability to get to Seven where with the other three teams I just couldn't justify seeing them getting to seven wins Bowling Green I can see them getting to seven so I'm comfortable saying six and I don't think I could have said that any better than you just said it I'm right there with you on the exact reason of why these guys are in the big four and the other three behind them are not because Bowling Green has a legitimate defense and if these guys are on mark my words folks they can be the top defense in this conference they can be will they perform as it I don't know they still got to outdo Toledo's defense but I think right now I like Bowling Green I like them defensively and honestly I think that their offense is better than a lot of people think it is I mean these guys are in a lot of 30p Pointes games there so and the one thing is they're good at holding you to 24 or less and in this conference if you're holding people to 24 or less you're probably in damn near every single football game so look the only thing I'm going to switch here is you put six wins I'm easily going to put them at seven I think they could definitely win eight games here I think they can go on the road I think they can beat Toledo I know they're like a 42 and a half Point dog in their first two games um but as of right now hey give me the spread I like these guys they're not goingon to win one of those like you mentioned but guys I think seven to eight wins for the Bowling Green Falcons is absolutely in play here but getting on in to the big three here and this is where it gets very very interesting the number three Ohio Bobcats you have them here at seven wins you said it stinks to dive into these guys and complaining about what's not there so help me out Ian what's not there with the Ohio their top two quarterbacks are gone because of the transfer portal their top two quarterbacks ended up going to Indiana and out to Cal Berkeley so they're having to play with a whole new quarterback all of basically their entire receiving Court anybody who is a pass they are gone now as well thanks to the transfer portal defensively they got suckered out there as well their linebacking core got sucked up their defensive line did however there are a couple of big areas where Ohio has been really really good especially looking at that offensive line you base it around Parker titsworth the center there I feel like he's actually the All Conference Center right now I feel like he's going to be one of the really big anchors and again if you have a strong o line in the Mac you should be able to get a run game going and as far as I know running backs they were able to stay but again you want to be able to protect your new quarterbacks and I feel like Ohio's offensive line easily one of the best three across the entire Mac and then defensively we all know it can be a little bit of an air raid situation especially given against a couple of different teams that are either ahead of them or behind them and I do like the fact that a lot of their secondary did return and again they are a very very solid team out there in Ohio I just am not 100% confident in them as I am with our top two teams I I couldn't agree with you more the only thing I'm gonna switch here I I like my boys at Bowling Green more than I like these fellas right here and once again guys I don't I don't blame Ian at all for putting Ohio at number three they're supposed to be number three I just don't think that they're going to play like number three the ceiling for me on Bing green is higher than it is for Ohio Ohio though once again I think guys it's right there it's a coin flip but I think bowling Green's name deserves to be in this conversation a little bit for the big three just for me personally maybe I'm tripping but that's how I'm feeling there guys Ohio definitely a team to be reckoned with but I do think overall that uh if you want to argue that Ohio belongs in the top two I think you're wrong guys that that's all I can tell you right here yeah yeah I definitely think I would say your top two are have a nice break three four have a nice break and then five six seven eight they're there and then the bottom four until proen otherwise I here's the thing I can't even call them trash because there's actual potential with those teams as well I mean you get them on exactly and that's why we love it so well there you go guys number three coming in there as the Ohio Bobcats but scrolling on down here two number two who's it GNA be Miami University RedHawks baby and no we ain't talking about floa if you guys ain't been out to here then uh you are missing out what a beautiful campus beautiful School great team great coaches I love everything about this University but Ian if you are going 11 and3 with a MAC Championship despite losing your Star Quarterback Midway through the season you're doing something right Amen to that my brother help me out here though why are these guys not number one so this is really going to be a tossup type of situation here as to why they are not number one because again as you can tell at this point we do have Toledo at number one Miami they did do a lot of good there in the transfer portal as did Toledo and I do believe that the quarterback play of Miami it's going to be good however that wide receiver room still a little bit too shaky for my liking Toledo's offense I just is just maybe a half a step ahead of Miami's defensively I feel like these two teams are absolutely on par with each other but again when you go 11 and three and you lose Brett gabber halfway through the season and you're still coming out with a conference Championship you're still coming out with double digits wins including a bull win you know that you're doing something very very good Miami I don't see them really going anywhere I feel like I shot them low saying that they're going to have nine wins though it's just be one of those I feel like because Miami and Toledo they're going to end up playing against each other twice this year it's going to be during the regular season and then once again in the MAC Championship I know and you can read it in my article I know I say it's not going to happen again because there's no more divisions yes it is going to happen again I'm sorry these two teams absolutely the class of the Mid-American Conference I just like Toledo just a little bit more there you go guys um Ian the only thing I'm gonna add to that I know we're on a little time crunch here but the only thing I'm GNA add to that is that I agree with you that you are being conservative with nine wins I'll say that I think these guys are much more likely to win 10 games than they are to make it only seven games I don't see how these guys win less than eight that doesn't that doesn't make sense to me so this team should absolutely guys be in our top two but getting on over to number one the Toledo Rockets not supposed to be normal me out here I know we only got a couple minutes man but Toledo Rockets why are they number one what makes this the best team in the Mac well I say it right there in our third paragraph 14 Seasons since the mid since the 2010 team 11 bow appearances this is not supposed to happen in the Mac where you just have a team absolutely just kind of take over and absolutely run away with it but it just feels like Toledo has finally found their groove they have found their identity and once you have a coach there that is still consistently finding an identity in keeping to their identity I'm not going to say that he's on Jim Harbaugh's level or anything of that nature but when Michigan found their identity nobody could stop it when Toledo finds their identity it is damn hard to stop it and right now I just feel like their offense is going to be able to light everybody up in the M conference I also believe that when it comes down to playing against the Miami University redot I think that game is going to be a shootout in both appearances but I do like the Toledo Rockets to Come Away with the Mac there you go guys Toledo Rockets there coming away at one Miami at two Bobcats at three Bowling Green four Central Michigan five and the rest are falling back from that point there guys please check out sports4 media.com this article's up there for you and there's also about five or six articles before this one on some of the other teams in the Mec if you guys want a deeper dive on a few of the teams there Ian went ahead and did those for you guys as well but we do got to get ready to get up out of here Ian my final question to you brother Miami is plus 250 to win this conference Toledo is plus 280 Western Michigan is coming in at plus 650 are you then locking in Toledo at plus 280 to win this conference I do like Toledo at plus 280 again there's so much of a gap between one and two and the rest of the conference I would like to see what Ohio's number is however I feel like that just may be one of those yeah 10 to one I just feel like that's going to be a little bit too far out again Ohio Miami Toledo they'll end up beating each other up but in the end it's all about the rocket power in Toledo there you go folks all about the rocket power in Toledo I like how you ended that one there but there you go guys that is it for that I'm gonna go ahead and throw out there just for a little bit of fun my pick here to win this thing I'm gonna go out on a limb I'm going bowling freaking green there at plus 750 guys I just think this defense like I mentioned will be top two in this conference if you got defense you can win can they get the quarterback play can they get the coaching I think that they can and also I think you've pointed out Ohio Western Michigan Miami Ohio they have a couple little you know problems with their armor there and I think they could get beaten so I'm gonna go ahead and say if you can get through Toledo you can get it done guys there you go he's got Toledo I got Bowling Green best of luck to everybody in the Matt conference it's been fun that's Ian mlin talk give him a follow at Ian see mlin talk Rigo rig Sports Talk please guys as you see down there follow at Sports Forum news on Instagram and Twitter also Sports Forum Co Sports Forum wa and on YouTube The Sports Forum click that subscribe button drop a like drop a comment we appreciate you guys as always more college football conferences coming your guys way as the week goes on take care everybody and we will see you guys very very soon [Music]