These are dangerous ideas: Senator slams Trump over refusal to say if he wants Ukraine to win

♪♪ >>> THE CREW MEMBERS OF THE SPACEX POLARIS COMPLETED THE SPACE WALK THIS MORNING. THE CREW LAUNCHED INTO SPACE ON TUESDAY. THEY FLEW TO THE HIGHEST ORBITAL ALTITUDE HUMANS HAVE REACHED SINCE NASA'S LAST MOON MISSION IN 1972, REACHING 870 MILES ABOVE THE EARTH'S SURFACE. LET'S BRING IN DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MARK KELLY OF ARIZONA. HE SERVED ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THE JOINT ECONOMIC COMMITTEE. SENATOR, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DEBATE, DONALD TRUMP VISITING YOUR HOME STATE. FIRST, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS INCREDIBLE SPACE WALK. >> I WAS WATCHING SOME OF THE VIDEO THIS MORNING. TO SEE JARED ISAACMAN OUT THERE DOING A SPACE WALK HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY FROM EARTH IS PRETTY EXCITING. THIS EXPANDS THE ABILITY FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS. WE'RE MOVING TO COMMERCIALIZE MORE BUT ESPECIALLY LOW-EARTH ORBIT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MISSION. THEY'RE MUCH FURTHER AWAY THAN WHERE THE SPACE STATION IS. THE SPACE STATION IS ABOUT 250 MILES. THEY'VE GONE UP TO ABOUT 850 MILES. MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE VAN ALLEN RADIATION BELT, SO THEY'RE STUDYING THE EFFECT OF THAT RADIATION ON THE HUMAN BODY. >> EXTRAORDINARY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DEBATE. LET'S MOVE THERE NEXT. I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO ZERO IN ON DONALD TRUMP'S REFUSAL -- OUR FORMER COMMANDER IN CHIEF, DONALD TRUMP'S REFUSAL TO SAY THAT HE WANTED UKRAINE TO PREVAIL OVER THE RUSSIAN INVADERS. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? HOW DANGEROUS WOULD A SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY BE IN LIGHT OF THAT NOT ONLY FOR UKRAINE, BUT ALSO FOR POLAND AND THE REST OF EUROPE? >> JOE, I ALMOST COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT HE SAID THAT, BECAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR ME -- AND I SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY FOR 25 YEARS. AND IF THE FORMER PRESIDENT DOESN'T WANT UKRAINE TO WIN, TO ME, THAT ONLY MEANS ONE THING, AND THAT'S HE WANTS RUSSIA TO WIN. YOU KNOW, HIS ATTITUDE TOWARDS AUTOCRATS AND DICTATORS, SUCKING UP TO THEM, THINGS HE SAID ABOUT NATO, THAT WITH REGARDS TO NATO, PUTIN CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS. THESE ARE DANGEROUS IDEAS. I MEAN, NATO ITSELF AND OUR ALLIANCE WITH OUR ALLIES, IT'S REALLY ONLY AN IDEA THAT WE WILL COME TO EACH OTHER'S DEFENSE. DONALD TRUMP HAS MADE THAT CLEAR THAT HE JUST MIGHT NOT DO THAT. AND TO JUST WANT RUSSIA TO WIN AFTER THEY ATTACKED AN ALLY OF OURS AND THEY PUT OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES AT RISK, WHICH ALSO MEANS THAT WE ARE AT RISK, SO DONALD TRUMP'S RHETORIC AND HIS ACTIONS HAVE ALREADY MADE ALL AMERICANS LESS SAFE. >> SENATOR, THERE WERE SO MANY MOMENTS -- THAT WAS ONE OF THEM THAT YOU JUST VERY ARTICULATELY OUTLINED DURING THAT DEBATE. IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS READY TO BE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND DONALD TRUMP IS NOT. AS YOU KNOW, A DEBATE DOESN'T WIN AN ELECTION. YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND WHAT'S ON THEIR MINDS. WAS THERE A MOMENT OF THAT DEBATE THAT YOU THINK I WISH THE PEOPLE FROM ARIZONA CAN SEE THIS MOMENT, I HOPE THE CAMPAIGN PUTS MONEY BEHIND IT, BECAUSE IT REALLY DRAWS THE CONTRAST. WHAT STUCK OUT TO YOU THAT YOU THINK WOULD REALLY RESONATE WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE? >> JEN, I COULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF ABOUT TEN THINGS. LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW. THE VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WAS VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS PRESIDENCY, A FUTURE DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENCY, IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN, WHAT IT COULD MEAN TO WOMEN IN ARIZONA. SO DONALD TRUMP TOOK AWAY A VERY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR WOMEN, AND THAT'S TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR OWN BODIES, ABOUT ABORTION. HE TOOK THAT AWAY. HE KNOWS IT. THEY OWN THAT IN ARIZONA. BUT THE DETAILS DO MATTER HERE. SO WE HAVE SWUNG BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ONE BAD ABORTION BAN AND ANOTHER. AND ON NOVEMBER 5th, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN ARIZONA TO FIX THIS THROUGH A BALLOT INITIATIVE. BUT I HOPE ARIZONANS SAW WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT HIS -- ABOUT A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. HE WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF HE WOULD VETO THAT AND HE WOULD NOT GIVE AN ANSWER, WHICH TELLS ME THAT IF THERE WAS A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN PASSED BY CONGRESS, THAT HE WOULD ALLOW IT TO STAND. AND IT MAKES SENSE THAT HE WOULD DO THIS. THIS IS SORT OF PART OF WHAT'S IN HIS BAD DEAL FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ALSO KNOWN AS PROJECT 2025. AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO ARIZONANS, IS EVEN THOUGH WE COULD GO TO THE BALLOT BOX AND RESTORE THESE RIGHTS, IN AN INSTANT DONALD TRUMP COULD TAKE IT AWAY AGAIN. AND HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR HE WOULD DO THAT TO WOMEN IN ARIZONA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> YOU MENTIONED DONALD TRUMP. HE RESUMES HIS CAMPAIGN TODAY IN YOUR HOME STATE IN ARIZONA. A FEW QUICK THOUGHTS ABOUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S UPCOMING APPEARANCE? >> HE'S GOING TO BE AT THE LINDA RONSTADT'S MUSIC HALL. SHE REJECTS THE IDEA THAT HE SHOWS UP IN A PLACE THAT HAS HER NAME ON IT. SHE'S A TUCSONIAN. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S PLANNING ON GOING TO THE BORDER. THAT'S WHAT HE USUALLY DOES. HE GOES DOWN TO THE BORDER TO TAKE A PICTURE. HE ALSO MADE IT CLEAR DURING THE DEBATE THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO SOLVE THE BORDER SECURITY ISSUE THAT ARIZONANS FACE EVERY DAY. HE TOLD REPUBLICANS IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE AFTER WE, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, NEGOTIATED A VERY STRONG BORDER SECURITY BILL, THAT THEY COULDN'T VOTE FOR IT, BECAUSE HE NEEDED IT FOR THE ELECTION. HE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR. BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP ISN'T ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. HE'S JUST ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THEM. WHAT WE HEARD FROM KAMALA HARRIS IS SHE IS FOCUSED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SHE WANTS TO HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SHE WANTS TO HELP THEM DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY FACE EVERY DAY, WHETHER IT'S THE COST OF HOUSING AND PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION AND CHILD CARE. SHE IS FOCUSED LIKE A LASER ON THAT. AND DONALD TRUMP IS JUST ABOUT GRIEVANCES. WE SAW THAT OVER 90 MINUTES DURING THIS DEBATE. I MEAN, HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT, MADE-UP STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE EATING PETS. SO I THINK THAT DEBATE MADE IT