Packers Total Access Hour 1 | The Packers Have A New Kicker! + Grant Dubose Gets Poached From The...

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out on packernet.com find me on Twitter Packers access you can email us Packers soal access gmail.com you can text us 865-6582 4 join alongside of Milo in Tennessee we got Jacob in Wisconsin as Fred mcfarley says uh PTA possums Unite here J how we doing today I'm doing pretty good youo how was your day I'm happy Jacob got here in time man I know he was running late what time is you gonna come my press conference late there was a problem at his presser tonight man that somebody set like way too many alarms Matt was Matt was not happy in his presser did you see that Jacob uh I did not I had to scramble to get here um I made it just time to see to see ailio stuffing his face full of [Laughter] meat I'm not even lying Clayton can attest that's not a joke is it I I did witness that myself but uh salami and cheese Jacob okay but being said listen I think there's no better way to uh to segue into um yeah it was everything I had not to look at you guys see me look away literally I was there in office if the listeners knew the crap that I deal with running this show it's probably not even not even that bad it's like a it's like a not even that bad all right so uh man we had some news dropped today as the practice squad is uh starting to take shape to the best of my knowledge it's not completely formed yet is that correct gentlemen kind of sound like there were several players that did get signed that obviously kind of caught the Packers off guard of touch um so we will hit on as much of that as we possibly can uh the goal will be another two-hour show here so uh everybody settle in crack open a cold one and yeah we appreciate y'all making us a part of you evening here uh first things first we got us a new kicker jents you know obviously the news yesterday was Andre Carlson cut kind of thought maybe he'll go to the practice squad goody stomped that out earlier today um basically talking about hey look at they're just not going to as of right now it's not in the works to bring him uh back on the practice squad so you kept Greg Joseph although many of us were kind of like is he really the kicker they waiting for you know the the cuts that happen that's exactly what happen so the Packers claim kicker um first of all let's give a shout out to Josh valandingham thank you so much sir for gifting the uh the memberships I did find out that we can compile that list of the YouTube memberships as well if we want to put them in together on the giveaways I just need to talk to the guys to see if that makes sense but uh but with that being said thank you so much Josh we appreciate you pal uh so the Packers claim kicker Braden narvis this came from our good buddy uh Rob Rob Westerman over at Green Bay Packers daily says Packer claim the kicker welcome to title Town Braden narvis now many people said who right and when you go and kind of dig into the stat who into the preseason stats it's looking kind of nice jent you know to be honest with you it wasn't perfect but I you know there's no contrary to popular belief there's no perfect kicker out there I know many people like to try to convince themselves that they're is other than Justin Tucker and maybe Harrison Buckner but so Braden Arbon this came out from Lily AOW I think is how you say our last name I apologize if I butchered it uh Braden narbon has a big leg with with this 59 yard field I'm not going to play the video you guys can go watch it on Twitter hit a 59 Y and I believe this was in the preseason this year correct jent yes we got coach Len throwing meat missiles out here it's a good day so the other thing I seen there was a video of him in pregame warm-ups hitting a 65 yard so my man has got a leg now it said this preseason he was six for seven on field goals and two for two on extra points if I remember correct too the field goal that he missed um I think was a 54 yard or something like that it was well over 50 yards so uh it's obvious the Packers are trying to get a little bit better field goal percentage there inside the 40 yard line Mark uh to uh to kind of capitalize on points because I mean they did they lost a game or two last year because we were missing kicks from that range not going to put it all on Anderson obviously in several situations the Packers took a crucial sack and lost eight nine 10 yards and it made the field goal much more difficult but since the last year at NC State he was 18 of 23 on field goals extra points 38 of 38 was also 196 of 196 on extra points in his entire college career so is that good I don't know is that is that good high score let's throw it around here jet uh let's start with you Jacob what do you think about the kicking Sig man you you called this right you talked about it several episodes ago hey let's let's you know wait for our team to cut somebody and go out and sign someone here they are man so they definitely went your route I am not going to say that I called this okay uh I honestly I don't have any pleasure in uh even being quote unquote right because I wasn't I wasn't right I just was guessing um I'm honestly pretty shocked I I will be honest like I I in in no way shape or form actually thought that they were going to get rid of honders and I in no way shape or form thought they would then get rid of Joseph and then no way she perform thought they would just hire some random Schmo that is a backup from Tennessee I mean whatever's going on in Tennessee Matt uh laflor must be talking over there because we've been sharking quite a few of their players lately um I you know I'm I'm not mad about the signing it is a head scratcher just in certain ways because we feel like we know what's going to happen and then lo and behold this was another signing or uh you know 53 man cut down I say day but it was maybe you know two or three days where we're all just kind of like whoa oh okay uh all of our expert analysis kind of went out the window there didn't it um so you know I um I like the potential here I was mis uh mistaken because I thought the biggest knock on this guy was he was basically automatic under 40 but it was kind of like a question mark once you get into the bigger stuff and I kind of thought well that means he doesn't have a long leg looks like he's got a really long leg he's just maybe not as accurate as hey now hey now he's maybe just not as accurate as we would like um once it gets basically past 40 yards but because what was it something I could be incorrect but I thought that it showed uh once he was past the 40 or something like that he was only four for 12 maybe I'm I'm reading that wrong somewhere but um I don't know dude it seems like we went the opposite of the Andrew Carlson it's like we got a guy that's maybe iffy for the stuff that's quote quot a gimme kick but he could maybe boot it from 70 whereas this guy seems like I'm going to get you everything within the 20 I'm going to get you everything within the 40 basically and so I yeah I was I was gonna I was trying to pull up I think it was Andy Herman that talked about um his ability to kick and again we got a small sample size right because it's just pre-season but yeah I'm not gonna take too much time to dig in uh how do you feel about it let's get your take and then we'll hear what uh Brian gakin had to say about the kicking position yeah the the 196 for extra points is nice but it's still from the two right so um I'm happy that he's got a consistent leg in that in that manner but uh Matt was Matt was talking about how he's you know never really been a part of it uh something like this where they're just kind of you know running it down to the wire like that but he they asked him you know what's it like bringing in you know a new kicker or um and you know getting getting along with you know getting along with the team moving forward learning everything he goes you know I he just to come in and kick and I think the guy was asking about quarterback but the same manner applies I mean the dude the dude's going to come in and kick and that's that's why they brought him in you know we carried Greg Joseph through cutdowns and then decided this dude was was the way to go um not a don't have a problem with it as long as he comes in and just does its job yeah absolutely give a shout out real quick to Scott Powell just became a YouTube member here on the channel appreciate your support and stream sir thank you so much um let's see what goody had to say is just a real quick flip and he was kind of asked about the process I believe it was and I had tweeted out general manager Brian gakin confirms braen narvon will be their kicker week one and Alex Hill will be on their practice squad just kind of like I said just quick little sound bot from uh general manager Brian gin guys or there be some sort of competition there I mean so I think we you know obviously ners will be on the active and then Alex H will be on on the practice squads we'll have two um but right now we're going to go with with Braden I guess we're back to the crappy audio again but hopefully you guys and gals heard that just talking about they're going to move forward with Braden nison as their kicker um he did say in that same interview wasn't planning on bringing Andis Carlson onto the practice squad and he said that they will have Alex Hill on their practice squad though he's gonna be that International player to the best of my knowledge so there you go so Blake be in the chat says narvis was only 78% in college over seven seasons so there you go um we'll see uh see how it shakes out here Jin coach no sorry coach Lynn had a great uh Point here he goes I guarantee no other team in the NFL has had three players signed to different teams and make the 53 man roster am I wrong I'm not gonna say you're wrong but the 49ers were the only other team that had three claimed as well so that goes to show I I believe I shared a post from uh I can't remember who exactly it was but basically it's an indication that you have an absolute bomb roster if you got guys that are getting poached and that many we talked about it how basically 26 guys out of last year's free agent Mark or uh special yeah basically free agent market after they made the Final Cuts was like 26 out of 1,100 guys or whatever kind of thing if you call six of them were either grav Packers or um 49ers I think it's clear that that means we have a pretty good talent acquisition team yeah all I was goingon to say with that was yeah the the 49ers but you said we had four right Jacob I thought I thought we had I know for sure we had three we might have I could have swore Matt said in his interview that there was four and which is even even crazier like you said that I know I know it was debose ant Johnson and uh Welch right and then there was another one though you're right freaking Roy Rolls-Royce Newman got signed by the Bucks yeah rollsroyce Newman let go ahead and hit those chats if you haven't already Jacob we go ahead and clear up what you got here big do yeah uh Josh I don't know what you're doing today man but you are on one he's he's giving gifts out like Oprah so I appreciate that very much oh there he just did another one's he's going more I appreciate that uh the hip says Chicago asked Tor to bring his green book his Green Bay Playbook with him uh if you guys don't know about that Mr samor Tor oh that's another one went to the Bears so okay um people are cleaning up our uh I don't want to say I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say nothing bad about to I love that guy very much John Schmidt says I think MLF mat lefor said something about having four players claimed was a new thing for him speaks to the depth of a roster again we discovered that I think it might even be more uh dead fish says why did the Titans cut him referring to the kicker uh they had another kicker on that roster that was booting the heck out of the ball that's basically the long and story long and short of it so any other ones for you guys that's pretty much it for the comments at the moment go ahead amilio anything you want to add there bro no I think I think we kind of hit on it uh we snagged a couple Titans players and we got to go play in week three so I hope it uh comes out on top right that's that's going to be a good game play yeah no doubt about it man all right so the Packers were actually back at practice today um West htz had tweeted out a video a couple other people did as well so you can kind of see Matt laflor here in this quick little clip dabbing up uh Malik Willis I don't know if you guys got a chance to hear him as a locker I know mil you've been watching interviews I could hear you there before we uh we went live pre-show um what do you think about what you've heard about Malik Willis so far I know he's in a perfect world we won't see him take a single snap this year right and I know chance that obviously Sean Clifford is going to be the backup is what it sounds like the plan is until Malik Willis gets up to speed and who knows maybe at that point they cut Clifford I don't know I think it would be smart to keep him on the practice squad seeing that you got 16 spots there too so Matt Matt was kind of talking about how there's just a little bit of crossover between you know a couple of coaches down the line that had uh trained him up but he's like honestly at this point we're just going to try to translate it to him like he's learning a new language he knows the concepts and things like that but it might be be called something else so we need to kind of get those um you know terms and everything squared away Matt said you know he's he's smart guy um in his the beginning of Malik's interview just thanked everybody thanked the Titans thank the Packers you know standup way to come in to Green Bay and and start answering questions um but Matt the other thing he said was if you know he was asked if he'd be able to be the backup week week one right like that he' learned enough Matt said the thing that you know could make it possible is like the playbooks going to Get shrunk down for that week right you're G to set in your your whole idea of what we're going to do against the Eagles to you know to succeed in beating them and if he can Hammer those out there's a possibility he's number two but I would say just kind of let him get his peut go from there got it you go hit on those chats if you want Jacob I think I'm eager to see did did we see where Pratt went did you hear Jacob by chance or is he still unide see the reason I highlighted that was because I was hoping that somebody would let me know um I've been trying to watch my phone all day but just so much is coming you know it's like drinking from a fire hose so I was gonna ask John Schmidt posed the question where did Pratt go I um I don't know Ron sville poses another question found just found it here we go we got breaking news seven hours ago so did Pratt have an attitude problem I saw somebody said Tampa Bay is that correct Clayton that is correct yeah the the Bucks are signing former two-lane quarterback Michael Pratt to their practice squad Pratt was the number three quarterback in Green Bay and was released the Bucks were interested in Pratt late as a late day three pick in the 2024 draft Pratt replaces John Wolford um as qb3 in Tampa Bay so Pratt definitely going to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that one stings a little they signed someone else too didn't they I think was it Roy Newman they signed maybe yes they signed Roy Newman uh that honestly might be the best best possible scenario for Michael Pratt to become a starting quarterback in this league if you think about what they got over there in Tampa Bay they got you know Baker who's gonna maybe give him another year or two I would say tops and he's got a pretty decent I would say coaching tree there where he can hopefully develop a little bit uh I I don't know I I'm I'm pulling for Michael Pratt I think it was kind of I don't 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and ads choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a reproduced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target audience with lips and ads go to lipsand ads.com now that's Li IB Sy YN ads.com you're a podcast listener and this is a podcast ad reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from lips and ads choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a reproduced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target audience with lips and ads go to lipsand ads.com now that's L IB YN ads.com the move I don't you know whatever I'm not going to hate on this is the time of year where everybody thinks they know what they're talking about yeah and we we we overreact to certain things and then Midway through the next season we're all like oh I always like the Malik Willis signing I I I don't know what you're talking about so I love see that's the problem I have with the victory Labs is when they get it right they run the Victory lap you just never see those people pop up and go man I got that one wrong so that's that's why with my whole kicker thing I was like Dad I locked into that one I was just speaking out of my butt and yeah well I love in the chat here FR mcarley said Josh straight making it rain tonight as Josh Val lanningham with another five memberships yeah are you are you trying to do this on purpose Josh or I hope he hasn't been on the whiskey what I'm worried about you know what I mean he's just over there it's it's uh yeah well I was I was eating some peppered bourbon uh cheddar right there that's what Jacob was making fun me but that sounds amazing actually pepper BB pepper bourbon cheddar I don't put on the grocery list Jac Jacob's like I'm not touching it not touching it I'd never have a canoli I love it so Turtle says I lik 20 I like 24 on Valentine if you guys may not have heard uh Carrington Valentine is now wearing the number 24 so uh and what Malik's wearing number two right yes sir that's correct Willis is wearing number two so it's going to be fun to see how this team kind of shapes up man you got got a couple of new faces here obviously with Malik Willis and then uh and the new kicker um it's going to be uh G to be really cool now one player another player that got uh stolen away from us I guess you could say was our buddy Grant deos right oh that one hurt that one hurt kind of bad um so this was Brian gin he was actually asking and I apologize for the volume guys you can see I've got it cranked up there's nothing more I could really do um general manager Brian gin talks about how difficult the decision was for the Packers to cut wide receiver Grant theose with how well he Bo Melton and Malik Heath all played this Camp let's see what Brian gakin had to say and I want to get your all's reaction to one of our favorite players of the 2024 training camp obviously in Grant Theos but here's Brian I think at the end of the day um you know some of the things that that Malik and did just made more sense for us at this time um at the same time if we would have kept um Grant um again he he he earned it he deserves to be somewhere and I'm glad he's getting the opportunity in Miami how much that was special teams yeah it's definitely part of it I mean and he well first of all you know the thing I love about Malik is obviously um all those guys are excellent um I they do the the the grinding the Dirty Work they you know the blocking um willing to do that their toughest Nails Malik's got a very unique ability to make play in the matters kind of his he's a great ability to go attack the football make tough catches um you he's been a playmaker from college to the moment you got here and um I think he's just a very reliable player when it matters think all right so there you you you guys heard him mention it he mentioned special teams didn't he and was pretty vocal about it I think special teams is what kept Grant neose off this roster where did he sign you guys remember was it Miami am I thinking right yes yeah so that also coincides with um apparently Odell Beckham wasn't gonna be on the active roster he's on the pup so they were a little bit shallow in their I mean he dude he's a he is a top four receiver I think on most teams which you know it's tough I I'm I'm not happy that we lost him but I'm happy for him just as far as where I think that he might actually have a decent an NFL career now because he gets a better shot than he would at Green Bay um but you know yeah like Jay Cole said you know best of luck to him I think that this fan base is pretty good that we're we're not bitter some stuff we are don't get me wrong nobody's forgot about the uh the freaking uh what are the biggest ones we always remember of um JJ Watt TJ Watt and the Kevin King thing and the you know obviously we have a few of our fanas yes exactly nobody mentions that anymore though now that we got a $220 million quarterback right yeah let's just not talking about that yeah yeah right exactly so um like John says here he goes Miami is a great fit for deo's best of luck I agree I I hope that good it works out and alelia brought up a good point the other day um where we uh we looked at how many active Packer ex Packer players are actually still around floating around the league that was kind of fun to just take a peek at you know so um yeah Kevin King did get by Atlanta so you know is what it is but uh yeah there you go all right um another thing that came down to pck earlier today you know obviously we talked about Aaron Mosby making the team and I know Jacob was happy that that his boy Brenton Cox Jr made the roster as well um and we're going to talk about the entire practice squad here in just a second I just want to hit on this first and get some of these goody comments out of the way uh Aaron Mosby this preseason this is from PFF Green Bay Packers 86 PFF grade had an 81.9 pass rust grade one sack four pressures one interception one force fumble this dude we talked about Christian Welch doing pretty much everything he could and and I still believe that Aaron Mosby right there on that list as well and I think it just shows you if it did come down to like do you want to keep Mosby or do you want to keep Welch obviously this is a tier one of importance position right here right there's no two ways about a Edge Edge Defender and a three Tech on the interior or your top priorities on defense um but it was pretty cool because Brian gakin actually talked about him today and more specifically he had mentioned how he feels like the the shift from the 34 to the 43 really made him kind of pop off the screen on the tape says uh and I tweeted out Green Bay Packers general manager Brian gakin talks about how Aaron Mosby adapted very well going from the 34 outside linebacker to a 43 DN Crank That volume gang here's goody talking AR MO s your reaction to eron Mosby's you know finish to the preseason and also you know to make that yeah really proud just of the way he he's progressed you know he's when we first got uh you know when we first got him you know he's a little bit of a tweener you know was he an inside backer as he an outside backer in our our old scheme and then as we we moved into this 4 three um we put his hand down and he really kind of took off you got to give him a lot of credit he's put a lot of work into it and really you know um not only is an edge rusher and his ability to rush a passer do all the things we were asking him to do on the defensive line but in special teams as well you know his ability to kind of play multiple spots there just and play it well um and then he produced he just did a really nice job producing kept getting better each week and showing up in practice showed up in the games excited for what he was able to accomplish Camp there you go so obviously they seen something on tape from Aaron Mosby I mean obviously he bowled out that last preseason game but um sometimes that happens it's rare that you'll take someone who was kind of a tweener like he was saying of is he an inside backer or an outside backer in the 34 defense and then you go to a 4-3 you would think all right there's just as much chance of Aaron Mosby to be a stack backer as there is to be an edge defender or a defensive end they put him at defensive end and he just took off so uh I'm I'm really eager to see if this is just a Flash and a pan him going against the twos and the threes or if this is a guy that's uh actually going to contribute this year because there are some people I was listening earlier to today some people believe he may have passed up he has a a an opportunity to pass up Kings lari on the dep chart that kind of blew me away some people believe he's ahead of Brenton Cox Jr right now now it's can he passar so but ailio when we talk about switching from a 34 to a 43 and again we're just talking base so that's really the only thing that changes typically you're playing one Gap out of the nickel 245 or the nickel 425 whichever it is um what do you think about what he what goody had to say there with Mosby as Jacob continues to be pissed off at me that I mentioned that he may have leaked frog brenon Cox Jun yeah well I like you said I think he uh he performed he showed out I think going to that three-point stance really helped him you think about it sometimes when you're standing up you kind of do a double bounce off your heel sort of thing um Michael Lombardi was talking about it the other day that Al would freak out if he saw a DN that was leading with his left foot right right because he's like when have you ever seen a sprinter start off with his left foot you you lose half a you lose half a step um that's why they're all starting out with the right foot so maybe him being down in that three-point stance being able to explode out of there uh really really allowed him to to take off and I'm happy he made the roster if he's if he's a Difference Maker we need it as many as we can get on that defense and uh just just let him eat back there yeah definitely if you guys and gals would take a quick second hit that like button for us we appreciate yall hanging out with us Channel is going absolutely nut right now if you like this kind of content we go live pretty much daily other than Fridays during the high school football season um but we appreciate yall spending time with us here go ahead Jacob what do you think about about Mosby and and go easy on the kid all right hey man I I like Mosby um obviously if he's gonna start competing with my man Brenton C Jr you mature yeah man I'm trying bro we're monetized uh so I I I like the what we've seen from him I think that it is fair to say that when you came down to whether or not a guy like Christian Welch Who You'd maybe see in a really it take a lot of um situations happening where a lot of injuries would have to occur or some crazy special team stuff where he'd actually be an impactful person on this team and the fact that he was just a little bit up there in age I think Mosby just you know he just he played too good like we just said for him to to get snubbed and um that's I I think that you can argue that definitely between him and um and a guy like Welch it's like I think a fifth round a fifth string even six string rotational Edge Defender is is more valuable than a fourth fifth string middle linebacker if that makes sense to you guys you know what I mean like because there are situations where if guys are gassed or if they just need some new lungs or they need some new legs they're throwing them in there especially if it's like a third and long and they're like hey we know what you can do go go show us stay off the damn we exactly so you know somebody said lungs I don't know I'm just checking let's let's hit the chat jaob see what the listeners are saying right now man yeah Dennis is coming in hot goes Mosby's game transformed on he put his hand on the dirt I think you meant win and that's kind of what you were talking about there Clayton he does seem like that's of that track stance he's catapulted out of that and uh it's fun to see you know I don't know about you but I I I'm pretty confident with him and guys like LVN Preston and Gary like I I think it does help their game I maybe I'm speaking out of turn but I always thought that I didn't like the way that Gary had that two-point stance where he was just kind of like ninja pose where I'm like I feel like he has no momentum by the time he hits that tackle how dare you the tackle's just kind of like you know I it just to me it makes more sense where you want that dude shot out of the dirt like a cannon that that's my opinion um any any comment on that alilia I see over there grinning yeah Runners don't Runners don't start their stand Standing Up right so I don't know where he's getting his explosion when when that when that when he said that dude that that hit I was like man there is I've never seen the Olympics where Hussein bolt starts up like this right right exactly so and and then you lose how much power when you're standing up like that how when you're trying to set the edge you could set the Edge by you know set sending the tackle a yard and a half back but if you're standing up you're giving up that you could give up that yard and have no problem yeah and the thing too like the whole point of them standing up as outside linebackers when that really took off was in the 90s with blitzburgh with Dom Capers in Pittsburgh and he had Kevin green and Greg Lloyd and the goal was you would rush one one second and you the other the next the next SN like you would you were constantly making the offensive line adjust and be ready for the Blitzer to come off either side and the other guy was dropping into coverage now it's easy to criticize that looking back because you know without without taking into consideration in the 90s and even the early 2000s you had a lot more 21- 12 personnel which would trigger your 34 defense right so even even on those early Downs it was very seldom that people would go to three wide receiver sets on first down you you had an opportunity that if the team wanted to pass on first down out of those you know those uh those base formations I guess you could say with 21 and 12 then you could really put stress on the offense one them not knowing how to set the protection and where the blitz was coming from and two you running that fire zone Blitz making the quarterback really have to dig deep on post Snap reading so the problem that we had with it in my opinion and again it's not like this defense was horrible last year they were what 12th in scoring I believe it was 12th in scoring defense so you were right on the cusp with being top 10 in scoring I'm really eager to see how much this this defense improves because if it jumps three or four spots it's going to make a world of difference it really is as far as the win win and I'm pretty sure I correct me if I'm wrong but I heard a stat I think it was on the athletic today talking about that the defensive front four was top three in pass rush um from last year and that honestly surprised me a little bit after I you know was thinking but if we could even get a smidge better than that with our front four this year that's going to be unreal and letting hle you know do what he does and having the uh the linebackers in the secondary to back that is what's what's all going to come together right and and the what I was getting to there with that point too was like we began using that 34 Jam as we're just bringing five we're bringing five we're bringing five so there was no the only time that we would drop an outside linebacker into coverage and the fans would lose their minds but we would do it when they would Flex a receiver on that side you're like okay we need to get someone in that throwing Lane to take that hot read away real quick right so you would just in in many cases they would just cheat him out there there's no manipulation there at all so you're losing that surprise Factor uh when it comes to doing that so uh you know it's just a change in the times is part of it too it'll come back around I guarantee everything always comes back around um I remember when the Wildcat took off there in the late what right around 20 probably 2009 2010 you remember when Wildcat remember Reggie Bush kind of reinvented that didn't he yeah and and you had uh was it I think Cadillac Williams was running it and you had Ronnie Brown in Miami he was like the master at it down there so that stuff coming back it's like that is old school football that was Smash Mouth football like the ball snapped to the quarterback in you're running these are designed quarterback runs essentially what the Wildcat was now they were manipulating the defense by flexing the quarterback out so when you would go into the Huddle you were showing 11 personnel and then you would come out and it's like there's no chance he's passing right here or even if he is someone has got to be on the quarterback and and God forbid it be on the and they would try to strategically line up the quarterback on the side of the better Corner if that corner didn't travel in man coverage um you know think of like Richard Sherman you put a quarterback out there you just isolated one of one of if not their best defensive players with a quarterback standing there with his you know his hands in his pockets not going to do anything so it's all about hat count it's all about gaining a hat and that's one way you could do that and then you would kind of iso the run with the Wildcat so that stuff is old school Smashmouth football that came around and it's already gone again right you remember I'm gonna give y'all some PTSD here you remember Colin Kaepernick San Francisco running all over the Packers right that read option uh some of that if I remember correctly they ran pistol that that caused McCarthy to go to college football and talk to the best defensive minds of col footb go how you guys stop in this this Zone read because I can't figure it out right and really the answer was attack the mesh Point attack the mesh Point well as you start to attack the mesh Point guess what has evolved now the RPO game so it it's just this constant you know revolving door of certain styles of offense that that gets hot and and then other cases it's not so it comes and goes but uh Greg Ross how dare you C hey it still hurts me I I refuse to go back and watch that go the the highlight of the game for me and I know he got penalized for it was Kay Matthews just saying Hell with this I'm gonna hit this dude way late out of bounds that's get your money's worth playay because nothing's working bro just go ahead and get you a shot so um let's go go back to the chat there Jacob I know you got several Mar yeah I just want to clear these out real quick these are kind of going back to some other topics we covered earlier white9 says Miami is gonna use him that's being granted Bo because they only really run two wide receivers often but he'll get a few catches if he can make the roster I think they he's saying that he's a really good blocking uh wide receiver and that goes that goes to Amelia knows that uh Blake be reiterates that says McDaniel is a smart dude he was copying gudy's work and listening to his buddy laflor regarding the bows I mean I don't think it's unfair to say Clayton that most NFL coaches it's not that they copy but they definitely um oh no they copy emulate right you just we we seen it last year do you guys remember the play to Luke Musgrave uh remember the the double fake swing the double player the whole year y that I'm trying to think of who ran it it was the week before it was either Shawn McVey or was Kyle Shanahan ran it and all of a sudden it pops up in our Playbook and then we tried to go back to it later in the year and it didn't work I don't know if you remember that double pump double pump seam covered Jordan Love's like what the hell do I do now um it's just so cool to see that stuff because it is it's a copycat League man there's no doubt about it um it it what what happened when Shawn McVey and Kyle Shanahan that whole coaching tree started to have success you know KY Shanahan obviously paved paved the way with the wide Zone Boot and how he kind of evolved his dad's offense and then he he breaks off sha MC Vegas job with the LA Rams he takes him to the Super Bowl and now everybody's going if if there's a coach in the league that has any kind of ties or any kind of History Shan MC B bring them in for an interview that's the future of the game right and now you see some of some of the most successful teams in the league are running K Shanahan's offense so uh nothing wrong with copying man I'm telling you uh that goes for business too man that goes for anything in life I'm just telling you like someone else has already done it and they've been successful all you have to do is duplicate it that's it that's all you got to do and it's not illegal to do that like it's I don't know man some people let their pride get in the way like they try to reinvent the wheel rather than go hey this works let's do it so that's definitely how the league Works um all right Jacob what else you got started there big dog Josh Val landingham again another five memberships I know Josh you're you're I I'm hope that you're all right um I hope that you haven't just been trying to forc through like a glitch or something like that and then tomorrow you wake up and you're like oh no I've seen that before for sure Rob Tim's in that padded room they're talking about Josh Val landingham's card he may yeah Ron says wait Tim's not here has anyone check the padded room today I'm assuming he has to be talking about uh maybe the kicker talk I think that may be the only you know uh and chewy says he's in a psych ward with a suit and tie at least he looks good you know and then uh Mr Fred mcfarley says rostered 60 ends okay only one plays special teams not okay in Mr Fred mcfarley opinion what do you all think about that real quick I'll just say that I think that the Special Teams game is different than it used to be whereas we need more athletic maybe more lighter type dudes that are Fielding this new kickoff am I crazy about that no not at all I I think that you know if you think about it where is where are the spots he's going to be it'd be on Punk cover maybe punt return and then you know kick return kick cover he's not going to go on field goals or anything like that so he's got four chances to get out there if he's not faster than than Tyron Hopper you know if he's not faster than Zayn Anderson um if he's not faster than KO then why are uh why are we gonna put him out there if he can't block better than you know your boy Brenton are we gonna put him out there um I mean I think it kind of all you know just falls on um if he's athletic enough if it's going to happen but um I I don't see a problem with it I don't think no all right um let's see J I believe it was Andy a pack had a question oh I'm sorry did you want to hit that one you just had Jacob about no you're good I got a few I got a few lined up here Andy a pack says thoughts on Matt laflor answering the question today saying it wasn't a question for him but for rich instead now some people were going what are you talking about Andy this is what he's talking about right here uh Matt schneidman had tweeted out Matt laflor on getting Braden narvis and acclimated to kick week one that's not a question for me that's a question for Rich bace you you just got to come in and perform I don't know how else to put it could the kicker situation affect play calling absolutely 100% no different than when you go out there uh go out and there's inclement weather so if you're not feeling comfortable and again we talk about this pregame you take the kickers out there with the current weather situation and the field conditions and you have them test their range right you and you get a good feel for okay is the on today is the off today what's his range what's the yard line that we need to okay once we reach this point we're in go range type of thing but I I know many people and I'm not saying you did this Andy many people took this is that a shot at rich is their problems no it's the the reality is they br in Rich bace to fix the Special Teams Rich bace handpicked Andre Carlson there's no secret to that right yeah it sounds like he handpicked Braden arvon as well so they're they're giving him the Reign to that and and Matt's I feel like he's answering the question truthfully and saying yeah man if if a guy's currently on a cold streak we're probably going to go for it on fourth down right but what's your all take on that because that was a fascinating conversation on Twitter and Andy thank you so much for bringing that up if I may interject quick uh you know I brought this up the other day just because I thought um hey what up murf what's up uh I I think that it's fair to ask because we we brought it I think just maybe last night where it was like does Rich Basia have too much unfettered power does he have too much control over the team are they putting too much TR in him I mean I don't I'm not going to speak on that right now because I just don't I don't know if we have enough body of work but I will say Clayton you just said you know sounds like he had complete control over who this or that person was and how they were going to use him so in that fact at this point if I'm being 100% honest with myself and with the organization my Roi with Rich basashi is not good it's it's not where I would expect it to be with how much praise he gets um I would like to see that change this year you know um and like you said hopefully uh this new kicker just kind of unlocks some sort of I don't know man new success with the Special Teams because right now I just I haven't seen it I I this is hey coach Len just said this right now like just a second ago he goes Rich has too much on his plate assistant head coach and special team coordinator great point that could be a thing that I haven't thought about man I mean I think that he has a lot of stuff going on right now yeah go say asking a lot yeah yeah I mean I definitely think that it's a a rich question because I I honestly was laughing when Matt said that that whole that whole interaction the way it kind of came off um but I think that yeah it is a rich question get him in front of the camera answer it and I I think you know you kind of move forward with it we we made the decision it wasn't Anders it's not going to be Greg so we have to move forward with what we have right I don't know how um you know how how they're going to keep paying attention to what's back there we got to kind of get this train moving because the dude's gonna have to kick for us in Brazil um like Matt was talking about uh you know they're they're even starting practice I think today or it's either today or tomorrow they're treating as their Sunday and then it'll be Monday then they have their day off so I would assume they're going to be heading out there kind of soon and that they were even going to be running some night practice IES that are uh um they're going to run like the meetings in the morning they'll send them out for a little bit then they'll come back and run a night practice to try to get used to the time frame and uh you know under the light sort of thing with for Brazil yeah for you guys listening on the Pod we'll pick up on the other side with hour two thank y'all so much