Doug Flutie Highlights His Iconic Hail Mary 40 Years Later With Julian Edelman | BC vs. Miami 1984

Intro you and I were on the sideline at Boston College yeah Kent State's playing and he's standing next to me this you know he's small college quarterback whatever he's like yeah man West Welker ain't I I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that I'm faster I'm stronger I can do that I'm like this a cocky little quarterback right here good for him today we have an unbelievably special guest how about this Doug fluty we yeah Doug fluty said he was too smart play in the talking War Stories talking games ultimately talking about the God hell Mary 35 years from your game and we're still talking about this game you say hail Mary everyone always brings up this game that's how important and crazy this game is the two Defenders go up and everybody just fall to the ground and I see an officials arm I'm like you got to be [ __ ] how does it feel to have probably the most iconic play in college football history games with names is a production of iHeart Radio welcome to games with names I'm Julian Edelman they're Jack and Kyler and we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time we're coming to you from Boston Nut House bab the OG original Nut House Nut House East uh Nut House East over here in uh an undisclosed Boston location undisclosed Boston location the boy Boys Are Back In Town let's go and on today's episode we are covering the hail fluty game Boston College versus Miami from 1984 with Boston College Legend Heisman Trophy winner and one of my heroes childhood Heroes and college football and Canadian Football Hall of Famer Doug fluty dude fluty flakes himself fluty flakes this is a this is a great one this is a this is a great episode we get into talking about one of the greatest plays in college football how your life changes after winning a Heisman and the origin of the Dropkick we all remember it when he was a patriot when he was a patriot and then we wrap it up by ranking the best hail mares of all time so many historic hail marries to go over some crazy ones that that was a fun one wild one one of I mean greatest plays in football baby hell Mary yeah but before we get to Doug how about the Brady event at Gillette what a night red carpet boys red carpet boys red carpet boys oh my goodness Jackie was on Flow dude he was Drake May recognizing Jack Drake May came up to Jack and guys baby we stick together yeah no I think he just he's a star Davidson basketball camp stories chopping it up he said he wants to come on the podt at some point does he have any we got got to have some games I love I love my guy we got have North Carolina maybe some Mac Brown Carolina games although all the Carolina games that come to mind with Drake May is like Carolina puts up like 50 points and somehow at the end they lose they lose 52 to 50 the defense can't stop a nose bleed this is what we should do we want Drake Mayon so bad cuz you know we're excited for him and his start we need people to go and comment what Drake game game Tarheel or whatever maybe a PR practice I don't know just something we need to have something for us to do and talk to Drake may we love the Drake We love to Drake and um yeah I mean what a night I mean Kyler's over here getting recognized by Scott peoli Scott football guy but he was just like where's Jack no get real get real get real so yeah we're going to get got peoli on here also Jules was getting a little Saucy and heckling Brady's speech I don't know if the microphone you got to chirp it when you're out there I was not I was like fully into the show I was eyeballs to the show the whole time like crying and stuff it was I mean the standing ovation and the reception that you guys got I mean it was it was overwhelming it was surreal the Randy Moss the Randy Moss it was something else man I felt that thing in my bones it was a fun night talk about emotional we haven't got to see each other all like in one area in a long time it just we didn't even really get to see each other that much you know because it was the show so you didn't really get to chop it up with everyone it was wild I mean just I was I was honored just to be there with you table 29 shout out larrett blunt the larrett blunt table uh you were the fun table the fun T we were having fun I mean that versus the roast what would you say this was fun this was more fun because it was more our our guys right more of the guys there homecoming feel kind of vibe yeah and who's the bigger star Jay-Z or Ben Affleck I don't know I don't know that's a tough one I will say no shade to Ben we love you Ben hope everything's going okay with with the family and JLo we we want it to work but Jay-Z did put on a better per performance Jay's I mean and then two seconds later you just hear a hear a helicopter leave I wonder if that was him oh see you Bill Burr killed too Bill awesome killed dude that's a hard [ __ ] room and he killed it yeah but it's a hard room for people that aren't from Boston that guy's Mr Boston I mean like he was the right guy to have for it yeah and we had DOA there with us man doite gr gr Camille it was a fun night we got get Nico on Nik the Lanier legendary bro nikovic slate Mayo came in it was everyone was there it was Boni bonjovi Boni Joy he kind of called me out said hey he go he he's like hey I thought we were supposed to do your podcast I looked at him I go John you and I both know if we come 45 minutes early to do the podcast here in Foxboro that had just 30 people would be coming in trying to get an autograph from you everyone would be talking I want you in our environment and he understood he did okay good he understood cuz we were trying our hardest to make that thing work we were trying yeah it just it wouldn't have been right he he deserves the full treatment Focus not just stealing 30 minutes inette Stadium while everything's great and he's got a great Ros coming out oh my God we got there was talk of maybe going to The Hamptons but I don't hey we'll see any excuse to go to The Hamptons and drink Ros with the bonjovi family like sign the bonois as I think their real name is Legend bro and freaking I don't care if we're talking Philadelphia so football soul baby I wonder if he would cuz he was a early Giants fan right and then he became a Patriots fan I bet he'd want to do a Pats game but be fun to do an early Giants game sipping Ros sitting on the back porch in the Hampton sounds all right to me talking some balls hanging with Richie Sora heck yeah man Von Joi get Angie out there Angie will be pissed Angie be pissed trouble yeah my mom loves Bon jooby she loves Bon jooby bro all right let's get go talk all day November 23rd 1984 the orange bow Miami Florida Boston Doug Flutie Joins the Show College Trails Miami 4541 with time winding down in the fourth quarter Doug fluty drops back with that drop that he does he doesn't really drop he just goes backpedal very fast he launches a prayer into the sky of Florida this is is Hil [Applause] Floy welcome to games with names and today we have an unbelievably special guest unbelievably special guest we had Doug fluty in The Nut House in Boston hanging out with us talking War Stories talking games ultimately talking about the goddamn Hill Mary yes I think they named the actual play after this play H after you wore the shirt hey after we can get into the shirt yeah this shirt but when I was so how what years were you in at BC no I'm talking about the Chargers when Chargers years 2000 to 2004 yeah I had your jersey I went I went to Ross I saw Doug Floy Jersey I picked that thing up I was a little quarterback you were my hero like it's it's it's unbelievable to have you in here well you had just gotten drafted you and I were on the sideline at Boston College yeah um and what's your say Kent State Kent State was coming Kent State's playing and he's standing next to me this you know he's small college quarterback whatever and I I I knew they had drafted you he's like yeah man West Welker ain't [ __ ] I'm I'm going to do this I'm going to do that I'm faster I'm stronger I can do that and I I'm like it's a cocky little quarterback right here good for him like and he went and did everything he ever talked about but that was the first time we met and that was uh you know he's a man after my own heart cuz you know the small guy and go after it and do it and shoot you did it in a big way get out of here man you you've literally I watched you so much I admired you your ability to play the game with our height I would say maybe 3 in I'm three three CM taller maybe yeah probably shorter by the Year too but this guy won the goddamn Heisman Trophy think about that unreal today we are here to talk about the hail fluty game Boston College versus Miami 1984 and we all remember this last play of the game where Doug sits back drops back they got people come at him he steps up throws the ball damn near 65 yards and they beat the convicts the Catholics beat the convicts and it I mean this is such a Legendary game why this game Doug we had our bowl game in our back Doug Walks Through the Hail Mary pocket they had their bowl game in the back pocket it was just a brag and rights game and Bernie Kosar was the other quarterback and the two of us just had one of those days where I I don't know I threw for like 470 and he threw for 450 and we you know this is back before everybody threw the ball 100 times a game and it was just one of those days whoever had the ball last was going to win and uh they scored with 28 seconds left so it's like they won right my My Philosophy was getting near Midfield and throw the end really cool twist came up 35th anniversary of the past right I'm doing interviews about it and see a different camera angle for 35 years my tight end who was the backup tight end at the time was in the game because the starter had a sprained ankle Pete casparilla was playing tight on the play on the backside he's supposed to be in in protection and there was an inadvertent whistle I go repe I go hey they're only rushing three get wide go long down the boundary I might roll right I was going to roll right launch it right buy some time just in case if they drift I might peek back side and hit you down the back rail we get in the locker room after the game he's like we had a shot we had a shot for 35 years I hear 35 years I he we had a shot we had a shot we I saw a different camera angle Pete is all by him I have a picture on my phone Pete is all by himself at the 10 yard line on the backside when the ball's in the air they all the backside Corner the guy that jumped up with Gerard Gerard went by everybody they started backpedaling free safety was in a great position to make a play backside Corner drifted over they jump up bump into each other ball goes through clean Gerard catches it touchdown history right backside Corner the guy that supposed to be over there is 30 yards away from his man I could Pete would have been a walk-in on the backside I threw it to the wrong guy I called Pete right after I finally said 35 years later right I called Pete I said hey you were right you were open I got a picture of it now on my phone he goes yeah but I would have dropped it that's crazy because last play of the game situation which they were clearly in we had and and Doug's talking about the guy being free leaking out late we used to have a play which the last play of the game you always have a box like the Hail Mary like what they ran you have a box you got a guy two guys up top a guy in the bottom a guy in the middle that's what you try to do so a guy in the middle tries to tip it the guys in the front and the back they try to get deflections but what you said was your boy who was leaked out late we used to have a play where we'd throw everyone there and grank would go and you ever seen a Varsity Blues yeah remember when like Billy Bob they had that play where they're like hey man just kind of just kind of act like you're a little SL slow and and and get out leak out well we had a play where we put all our guys up front and grank had to like leak out like Billy Bob and he goes and then all of a sudden he Flags it you know have you seen that you know what I mean they backside it which is kind of what that is well you it it was you know just you know what's amazing is we ran three times my career we had to throw Hail Marys we C earlier in the year at halftime against Temple it looks identical to the Miami pass and Gerard catches it in the crowd on the goal line for the touchdown we were two for two my senior year on Hil Mar's my junior year at the end of the half against Notre Dame in a bowl game I threw one in Brian Brennan he played with Cleveland Brian's on a dead Sprint to the back of the End Zone it was at the Liberty Bowl and the field was Ice and there was a cement wall 10 feet behind the goal yeah he was afraid of running into the wall he kind of short armed it afraid of the wall he slid into the wall anyway but he dropped it we could have been three for three in the career it's stupid how often it it happens folks you hear that we all talk about what Aaron Rogers and his little Hail Mary Doug F was two for three in goddamn one year Well I one year in the hail Mar that Rogers One Aaron Rogers Aaron see he made it so like it was a weekly thing with Aaron for crying out he just you know what what made ours big was everybody hated Miami at the time W and it was Thanksgiving weekend and it was was a large TV audience and all that so it was little guy versus the big guy all that stuff so that's what made it so big and the Heisman Trophy winner is going out taking a deep drop no one expected him to do what he did little Shuffle throws it deep hits his roommate touchdown game over yeah Tom talks about Tom talks about his relationship with the receivers and how everybody you know you build this trust and all Gerard was that Gerard caught like five passes that year that weren't even thrown to him you know I threw an in route the guy gets lit up ball bounced in the air Gerard so slow clearing on the post that he reaches back and you know catches it you know you overthrow Gerard's there he dies and he just had a knack for finding the ball and amazing nose for the ball is this the greatest game of all time it was a great game even without the last pass like you erase the last pass it was a phenomenal game so it's in a top 10 there's just so many though there's so many out there though I love the Boise State game Bea Oklahoma and the trick play we had we had Adrien Peterson and Zack zansky zy on on the show to talk about that game which that was in my generation I was in college when that was happening so like that era was crazy but we're we're we're 40 year 35 years from your game and we're still talking about this game you you you say hail Mary everyone always brings up this game that's how important and crazy this game is is well I had I had podcast a couple years ago and I had Roger stall back on St and a lot of people like you said give me the credit for the the label of a Hail Mary right because it was Boston College and all that stuff well he threw a go route to uh Drew Pearson in a playoff game against Minnesota with seconds left looked like Drew pushed off a little bit made the catch goes for the touchdown to win the game and they referred to that as a Hail Mary at the end and that's where it was actually coined so Roger always had a little beef with me that he did it and yes I give him full credit it was Roger man Roger stall back I remember he came and talked to our team once he's an impressive dude oh my God yes he's just a a standup guy left the league to go serve the country he just looked and smelt like a leader when he walked in his entire life the way he led it and then afterwards he's ridiculously successful commercial real estate guy all that stuff just everything he touched everything he does and I went to I don't know events where you get around the other Cowboys that played with him and the way they they talk about him the way we all talk about Tom yeah you know it just absolutely uh first class he was that guy he was that Flutie’s History as a Boston Guy guy uh you see on the set here what we got we got we got a native High School helmet by the way and we got the flu flakes box the original the red box the original box we went to we went to the school and got it that's from that's from the trophy case you guys are pretty good pretty good that's pretty awesome a childhood hero I had to go we had we called the damn school we said we got to get these goddamn fluty flakes up here we got a guy on the team that played football for Nix so he he had the in for us oh my buddy my buddy Paul Paul galani followed me he was a quarterback at NAC high school after me yeah he went undefeated 38 and0 state champ I didn't do Squat and we won games we were like eight2 didn't but but Paul Paul he'd be all about having the native Comet here no it's a pleasure having you here in The Nut House so Boston Edition Boston Edition that's even better Boston Edition this West Coast stuff I don't know you know out there got to be out there bro although I do love the waves I love the waves on the west coast waves my guy flute flute's over here talking about W we're going to Costa Rica taking you we're going listen we were talking about it earlier when we walk in I'm sitting here I think it's it's 2010 11 12 or something I'm in the training room I'm getting my God damn ankle worked on we got the local news on we always had the local news on fluty talking about waves over here there was a flood in Boston some River overid something you have the local news sitting there like covering the situation they're like oh yeah the river is over here we have some crazy flooding and out of nowhere in a canoe you see Doug fluty just canoeing by he I it wasn't it this was not this was not supposed to be part of the program it's literally just Doug FL hey guys how you doing and then just keeps going while this ladyes over here talking about the flood I was so you love waves huh the Charles River overflowed that that year and um I was over my buddy's house I'm like I'm like Paul gee the guy was the quarterback I was just talking about go let me steal your kayak real quick I'm going out on the river and uh sure enough there was a camera crew I don't know what but you're going you're right though it's FL oh look as you get the picture 201 baby yeah I mean it was overflow I got my NAX sweatshirt on and everything um yeah you're going through yards I mean that's like probably in somebody's backyard or front yard going through cuz it had flood it way up God too funny how about Discussing the Brady Inauguration the Brady event last night that was pretty cool to see other guys huh absolutely ridiculous I mean I was I only got to spend one year with you guys and one year with Tom and it was absolutely amazing and see 60,000 people show up for an enshrinement type you know it's an event where you put it in a ballroom you get a couple hundred people you make a big deal they did it right they did it right for Tommy he deserved every bit of it the way people talk about Tom the way the the I I get jealous of the relationships he had because he was able to stay in one place for so long with all you guys and everyone that came through uh but God it was an amazing night I just had my head on a swivel saying hi to old friend it was like a class reunion for the rest of us yeah but uh boy and then Tom speed Tom gets up and talks it's like this guy's a NFL quarterback right he played quarterback we're all jocks right we play ball we we paddle down Rivers surfway whatever we do right he gets up like he was a polished politician with a 30 minute speech and hit every everything and was so succinct it didn't leave anyone out it just amazed he amazes me in everything he he does he that's a what you said politician I saw Tom and I was like I want to vote for him yeah I thought he was going to end the speech with and that's why I'm running for 2024 you and grank were chanting four more years at one oh we getting some chance going Jes wasck Jules was heckling Tom's whole speech I would I would more years oh my God oh my God could you imagine Tom oh my God I'll be you honestly I would vote for him oh hell yeah he's a genuine like like to have all the relationships he had but to be able to have one thing to say to every single guy that he looked at like he just he's a genuine dude I said it you know the year I I played one year with and people asked me what was like Tom Tom and I'm like you know what he makes everybody in the locker room in the training room in the front office feel like they were the reason we won the game yeah the guy on Scout team getting taped before practice hey I need a good look at it great job yesterday you were amazing we need a little more of that you need to be you know every guy and he talked about um some of the guys talked about you know there were low round draft choices coming in trying to make a oh my God that's Tom Brady I want to say hi type thing um Tom knows you that was me you said it right you said one of those right but but Tom knew who you were he knew your history a little bit already he he made a point to make you feel welcomed and and who you are you know significant right away no and that's what people don't realize like I'll be out in a city and people be like oh what's Brady like this as I [ __ ] hate this guy I am like I'm telling you right now if you met him the aura that he brings in and his just he's a sweet man he's just a sweet guy he's like a there's nothing else you can say he's a genuine person yes he is and and you see it because of his his family and what he grew up in his mom is such a A sweetheart is Dad like they're crying every two minutes during this whole ceremony rightfully so it just it was a great night it was it was unbelievable it just and I played till I was 43 right my last couple of years it was a grind you know it's like maybe because I wasn't the starter you know I was in a point where I'm definitely the backup and I'm just saying I don't know but it was hard to motiv get motivated every day to watch film and prep and all that you did it but your it just wasn't the same Tom left here goes to Tampa wins another Super Bowl had another great year after that and how at that age at that point playing for 20-some years you continue to have that drive on a daily basis to keep getting better and Tom did you know when I he was already Tom Brady when I went to you know Super Bowls and all that before I got to New England that year with him and he's watching film of practice of watching himself throw the ball and how he's going to get better and after practice how he's going to get better I like I it was just impressive on a daily basis and to do it as long and still have that passion at the very end was absolutely amazing it was it was and and what people don't realize I was in that same boat where he was already Tom [ __ ] Brady when I got there he wasn't Tom Brady yet he he wasn't Tom Brady he was Tom MF Brady were three Super Bowls he had the supermodel wife he had all the success all the accolades but if you were to walk into a an offensive room or you walk into a practice and you watch Tom he's the guy he's the guy that's working the hardest and he always practiced with a purpose it never it was never just like let's get through the motions let's just go flop it out there let's throw a couple in Cuts let's throw a couple out it was like he was so focused on every day that he did something I mean I think it was my I think we we wanted a Super Bowl we we're going back to play another one two years later and it's I think it's week 14 he's got Tom house at yes in week 11 week 12 he flies out his quarterback coach this guy who already has four Super Bowls who already is Tom Brady he flies out a quarterback coach in week 11 to work after practice with a guy just to tighten up his fundamentals a little yeah if he felt like something wasn't yo he wasn't as accurate he missed a throw the week before right he misses a throw and his quarterback Guru is out on you know on a plane the next day fixed me he we played golf uh Tom the group of us and Tom fish was his Guru with the golf you know teaching him he had a new swing and Tom was like shooting par golf hitting the ball like a pro even par after 16 holes on 17 he M hits a drive winds up with the double bogey 18 I think he either bogey he miss hit his drive again on 18th he called on the 18th green he called fish to meet him on the driving range as he walked off the 18th green he goes over to the driving and starts working on a swing because he M hit two ball and that's Tom that's who he was or who he is is that mentality just are you born with it or do you develop that or is it a combination of two yeah it's ins it's I I tell you he and I we all need something that motiv moates us on a daily basis to get better every day I always had a chip on my shoulder about the height thing right people telling me I couldn't do this couldn't do that and you know I and I remember a quote from Steve Grogan saying why is they asked him why is Doug still playing at 43 because he's still trying to prove people wrong and that's Tommy not being drafted High I think stuck in his crawl forever I mean he was already the way he was but that's why he played as long as he did I think he wanted to shove it down their throat just on a daily basis there's got to be something in the back of your mind that's driving you every day 100% And also I believe belich with his Jedi Mind Tricks and the way he put them on the table in front of everyone like I just watched an interview Tom Talking oh three weeks ago what did he say he goes you know I needed to be pissed off to play my best football and what did Bill do every [ __ ] day pissed him off Tom what the hell is it what the hell what you're trying to just give him the ball you're hitting them right what are you do you know yeah Bill had that sarcastic way he come on on a Wednesday morning meeting oh and you better have watched film and you better have already looked at your scouting report and been ready see started fired question Wednesdays you better get it right now being a Being From Natick and Playing for the Pats native guy how was it playing for the Pats with your whole journey I mean we we you went to the usfl then you go to Canada you get to come home I mean you played for San Diego you played for Buffalo but to come home and play for the Pats what was that like that was really cool I I played with the Pats in the late 80s for three and a half Seasons yeah oh here's the great this is a cool it yes it was great having Hometown fans people loving it was also a heada hassle it was also a headache because if I wasn't the starter like in the late 80s when Tony e and groam were there if I wasn't the starter I was a headache to have because every time there was an incompletion or an interception they start chanting My Name They want me in the game blah blah blah and every time I did get on the field good things did happen but it it created a little bit of an issue funny story in the 80s I would drive from Nao to Foxboro and I'd stop at the McDonald's on 109 going through is it Millis I think it's Millis and uh get my hot cakes and sausage and head to the stadium right and I'm eating and there was this woman that worked at at McDonald's and this is in the late 80s I resign an ' 05 come back for when I'm driving from nact to Foxboro I stop at the same McDon the same lady's working the window 18 years later I mean you can't make it up and she was she goes I knew you would be coming by the time that they signed you I knew you would be coming are you kidding me man that that had to be such a crazy dream I mean for me I grew up in the bay and I grew up a ners fan and I had the actual opportunity I was going to sign with San Francisco Isco potentially in in 2014 I was on a visit with the ners they offered me a way way better contract bill you [ __ ] [ __ ] no well Bill's over here for I got I also got to say this bill's over here I'm like yo bill you going to come on my goddamn podcast he goes how much you going to pay me I go I'm going to pay you the goddamn amount of money you didn't pay me when when I I signed four contracts with you that's the amount of money I'm paying you deal we'll give him the rooke deal we'll give him the rookie deal league minimum got to prove it I forgot my train of thought bill you just [ __ ] me upis 49ers yeah so I'm sitting there and just like flute said if I were to sign back with the ners the amount of headaches you're going have to deal with oh think about tickets tickets oh my God fans friends family every everyone's come out of the Woodworks that just had to be such a cool experience it it was fun to play at home and all that and the the ticket thing you know you line up in the beginning I I bought them all and put them at will call and then half the guys wouldn't show up because they just assume you're getting them for free anyway right so like ah nasty weather I'll watch it at home whatever meanwhile you bought you paid for all these tickets but it it was it was cool to to play in front of your friends and family and all that stuff but um you know you relaxed on the road you got on the road you got the extra nap in you slept on a Saturday a little bit some of your best sleep came on that bus ride in that plane yeah all the the prep now you're driving on 190 going get your hot cakes in the morning at in at the McDonald's can you walk us The Drop Kick through the drop KCK you're here in Foxboro yes you're in Foxboro your hometown area and you're getting to do something that hadn't been done since there's there's a whole drops drop kicks actually I took a picture last night with Matt cast saw Tim Dwight and Lonnie Paxton and cast through the touchdown to Tim as I was talking to Bill about doing it and I'm like are you serious yet and I ran out on the field and Lonnie was the Long Snapper so it was a cool little picture of the guys that made it all happen Chris Burman was the guy at practice on a Friday talking to Bill whispering in his ear you know fluty can drive he'd see me messing around during preg games and stuff he's like and Burman knew the history of it it hadn't been done since 1941 so he went to Bill Bill calls me in the op now I'm 43 years old I'm doing jack for the team all right I'm hanging out with pom pom's cheering for Tommy that's win a Super Bowl um I'm thinking I'm getting cut I don't know yeah I'm walking into Bill's office what do you want and Burman standing behind him just beaming with his AR Bill's like can you drop kick I go I can do it you I don't know is it legal I go yeah it's still legal he goes well work on it we're going to do it tomorrow in practice so that was the beginning of it we were going to do it on a Monday night against the Jets I got in the game we drove down we were going to do it as a field goal and we stalled out around the 35 or something was going to be a 40 something yard we didn't do it forgot about it for two weeks I'm on the sideline standing next to Bill and we're on the 5 yard line in the middle of a play Bill sees me there he's like hey we score here you kick it we were in the before he finish the sent we were in the end zone I rip the jacket off go out blah blah blah I you serious I took a ball out of an equipment guy's hand I did a little punch into the stands to I I'm I'm gonna pull a muscle I'm gonna strain I I'm in the Huddle trying to do the old man stretch all that it's 20 degrees out I got a jacket you're 43 I'm a 100 years old and uh we get out there and all the guys like they'd already won Super Bowls right this is the Patriots these are the guy they were acting like a bunch of little kids at Christmas they were fired up about this right bam I think bam chis was B bam was a Ben Ben was a he just got activated for this game he's a wide receiver he's out there Sam Madison's like you're running a fade aren't you he said no no no check no watch the slant watch the SL Pam's like no check this out this is going to be cool watch this and that's what Lonnie like there was a they used the timeout so Lonnie came back Steve O'Neal came back we were back in the Huddle and they're like Kei trailers over my nose he's going to kick my ass right I'm like they tell them what we're doing so there a lot of conversations going on to keep these guys from rushing it because they'll probably block it anyway Lonnie snaps It Keith doesn't beat him up Lonnie steps through Zack Thomas lineb steps up what the [ __ ] was that Lonnie looks right he's like that's a drop KCK [ __ ] had been done it in 64 years and you know division it was really it was it was a cool thing it was a cool thing for me because I didn't do squat the whole year but hang out and cheer for Tommy and uh you know the guys got to smile about it whatever and then I jogg to the sideline and I go to bill for a very awkward H he's not a touchy feel very awkward hug with with Bill well my daughter tells me after the game you blew off Tom Brady on national TV Tom came out for a high five I went right right by Tommy to Bill You' done that too left Tommy he's isn't he awkward isn't he Awkward on the high five I mean he doesn't make eye contact oh he got ey you know he just kind of puts his arm up uh I mean you haven't lived until you walked by a Tom Brady high five you hadn't lived until you done that this is coach coach right after it happened I that's like the biggest smile I've ever seen bill bich out on his face incredible now do you think coach wanted to do this just because he loves football history he loves the history of the game remember he used to talk about the Veer and his dad and yeah all the history of you know what that was option football back with navy and all that stuff so he loved the history of the game was he was he giving you on you know every once in a while on a Friday practice was were you guys practicing the the free kick situation uh before half where you fair cat oh yeah all that stuff and you get a free kick like it hadn't been done since 68 I think the Chiefs tried it at the end of a let me playoff yours was the last successful one no I'm talking about the free Kick the free kick free kick is a situation where yeah let me look before half if it's the last it could time could be going out but if you fair catch you have an opportunity to have a free kick where it's like a kickoff and you get to kick it on a t too right no one thing on a free kick but see a free kick you could do a drop kick as well yeah now I was with morstead New Orleans Saints punter he was at SMU as a college kid just after I had done this I retired I went into ESPN I started doing games and doing an SMU game he's all fired up to to meet me and he's like after practice we're gonna do some drop kicks yeah so we go I saw him hit an 80 yard drop kick Jesus it was like shot out of a he was an old rugby player and he could hit this thing the the punters that have the strong legs hit it on the upswing and the ball bounces off the ground a little bit so you get more was like shot out of a cannon now the accuracy the ball's doing this it's hit so hard but in a desperation situation you could hit like a 70 80 yard drop kick some of these punters now wow why how come you could drop kick um just I grew up as a kid in Florida never wore shoes but I learned to kick Barefoot and I never had anybody to hold for me so I'd drop it and kick it and just kind of messed around doing it and then Mike bner Jette and I Mike was kicker with Indie yeah Our Idiot kicker right Our Idiot kicker by P he was our kicker in Toronto and he and I would go out in pregame like hours before messing around have little competitions and he could he could really drop kick and what I when we played Indie when I was in Buffalo um we would go out I'd meet Mike on the field early and we'd mess around drop kicking and that's when Burman saw me doing it led to Burman talking to to Bill and it happening so it's it's so crazy because I remember when I I was still in I was in high school when you did the Dropkick and I'm old freaking dirt no well I'm we're we're not young but I remember seeing that and so I always used to drop kick and so in practice we'd be [ __ ] around I go to Double J's our old equipment guy and I drop kick him a ball everyone would be like fluty fluty breezing I when I was in San Diego I was I would do it all the time drop KCK all the time messing around and practice and Drew and I would get on a line and Breezy and I would play catch drop kicking from 20 yards apart you keep it down the line hit it to each other under so Breezy tried one in a pro bowl he's like flutes is it okay if I do I I got to do drop kick it was Pro Bowl and he tried it and he dropped it and had a bad Dr and kicked a line drive into the line of scrimage or something I was kind of happy it wasn't successful that's crazy now you played Changes to the NFL During Doug’s 20 Year Career from 1800s now you played from 85 to 2005 20 years what was the biggest change you saw in the league in football or through your transition from playing in three different leagues I mean people he was he went to the usfl for or the USL or usfl usfl first got a crazy contract Heisman Trophy winner then he leaves usfl you go to Canada then you come back to the NFL for a bunch like what was the biggest changes you saw in football in your career it went from because of free agency in the old days guys were on a team they were there for a while and you built an offense and you just generically we'd go red right 64 line up in a split back set 60 protection four route was a curled everybody knew their complimentary route and ran their complimentary route free agency kicked in guys were coming for one year and you got to learn the offense you got now you had to call everything so instead of saying red right 64 it was if you want to put shift some motion on it things got more complicated was like Tiff to queen left slot close act four zip act four 760 F shoot sneak you know you're calling everything and then you had a second play on that too so you know alert alert whatever right so now the wristband thing came into play I hated that I freaking I hate it that I had a freaking radio in my head well I I came from Canada where we're spreading them out and slinging it all over the place I'm calling my own place having a blast to the second of play ends you got a radio on your helmet your offensive coordinator is talking to you all right douge we're looking it's third and seven we got you know blah blah blah blah blah whatever play check this blah blah blah blah blah uh alert be be alert for the weak side Blitz if they bring to weak we're hot left but you whatever shut the hell up I got it right I I was at practice on Wednesday I know what we're looking for right so you sto thinking on not that you sto thinking but I went from in Canada call my own plays from hey how was he playing you on the backside hey no he's inside Technique we got the corner r on him let's go okay we'll go uh let's go Rebel right we got a let's go smash rout on the backside you guys we'll go 371 on the front side blah blah blah and kind of thinking thinking the play through and knowing where I wanted to put people to shut the hell up and listen and get I I I hated the radio and the helmet um I liked thinking on my toes I had to be alert for down and distance and situation and what we did in Canada we back in this early as like 90 92 empty sets calling quarterback runs out of empty if they're if they're to high safeties and they're we got Five Guys blocking four in the box and I'm off and running running tra quarterback counter whatever and all that RPO stuff that started with Damon Allen Marcus Allen's younger brother was in Edmonton and Dam we we ran all that run game out a gun yeah and Damon was eyeing that backside end and pulling the ball running naked off it if he closed down I'm like hey I can do that then I did it and i' you know get five seven yards and the the corner would come someone come off on the slot whatever make The Tackle I'm like screw that you run a fade and you run it out if he comes off I'm throwing you the ball and we started doing this stuff Chip Kelly came up to Toronto he was at UNH at the time he came up to Toronto and watched all our film and was asking questions about this side and the other thing and then he goes to UNH and just starts lighting it up with he turned it into Zone Reed and then he went to Oregon and it all became the Zone read stuff and the but we were because in Canada we didn't have we didn't have reigns on us you know i' say hey what do you want to run Julian what what do you want to oh give me just give me an option rout I'll I'll crush him yeah just give me okay you do that you clear them out on the outside you guys in huddle your your call plays oh yeah it's like I mean you had your your plays but we go to we could talk because I was calling the play you were also you're the you're Tom Brady of goddamn of Canada football like so like you know it's it's a little different where you know if you're the flutes in Canada now do you think that that play style a little bit more of like kind of like the fluty magic to Different Playstyles in the NFL and CFL running around making plays just you know use your soul instead of using your brain worked really well for you in Canada it what worked in Canada and and I yes you could get the CFL game you could get away with being an athlete I say I was thinking about this if Jules had gone to the CFL as a quarterback he would have stayed a quarterback it just would have been on BC Lions you know still got a contract to this day yeah they D so they took they got yours they took my rights yeah I bet he would have gone up as a quarterback because you could as a quarterback in that League get away being an athlete and taking off and scrambling and be competitive the difference was because the field was wider wider it was wider there was more space it was like a joke if you wanted to scramble it was a joke it's like okay it's on I remember the first first preseason game we had Slants or something and I held it and I moved to the right went outside and kind of turned the corner I'm like holy mael I got 12 more yards you know you you kind of have a muscle memory on what it took to turn the corner and stay in bounds and I got all kinds of space out there so that part of it lent to my abilities but also I was still a pocket passer I I still did the mental part of the game and could pick things apart and all that and then when things broke down take off well you know and we'll get into the game but uh we were watching this game and flutes is 5'9 and three qu huh in three quarters in three quarters not anymore though I I got to be I'm I'm under 5'9 now I haven't measured hon everyone always says that and I always I always like when people call me shorter because it's it's more impressive yes you know what I mean it becomes a thing yes no doubt I'm 5'8 okay well regardless DUS huh Dustin pator is 5'2 by now yeah bler show shout out p p love you P but you watch this game and and when you have a shorter quarterback I was a shorter quarterback the in Breaking route like passing in the intermediate is it was the hardest thing but if you watch this I mean I think you started what 13 for 13 or 12 for 12 and all the plays you're stepping up in the pocket and you're hitting guys on 20 yard in Cuts you're hitting like you had that Vision which was it's you're a pocket passer I I had Tom Coughlin as an offensive coordinator at Boston College for my first three years he built my discipline taught me to read coverage and so what h i I did make blind throws but I knew where the Defenders were yeah right I find the defender you find that little window and then boom in the Gap you know timing wise here he comes bang um that was you was and you brought up in routes and early in the game we hit a couple with Gerard coming in on third downs and they played a three deep Zone but the corner locked on with Gerard and chased him chased his ass all the way in and after our first third down conversion I go to Gerard I'm like was that the corner on your ass he goes yeah he chased me I go that was Zone coverage and I go hey next time we call that put your foot in the ground run a corner route and it was a Pocono I saw that yeah later in the game two huge third Downs in the fourth quarter I think Gerard put his foot in the ground ran the corner route good route oh my God it just like he started in the guy was chasing boom took off and uh we crush and it's amazing to me to think that I was so relaxed at that time that I saw it you know that you see you know it's it's three deep Zone you're thinking I got the post in comment I'm going to go in down to the underneath route right it wasn't that way I saw that guy chasing him Gerard saw him Jason I waited boom he went through the corner roundout Meg that's what they call a Meg where they they locked the guy on them it's crazy did you ever consider changing positions when you when you left college or did will ask you to change positions because you're a ridiculous athlete not when I left college but when I came to BC there were four upper classman ahead of me yeah Gerard was my roommate he's already seen playing time as a receiver on run situations special teams he's on the field I'm not really on the field I my first plays to BC were punt return I I uh opening day against A&M I'm back there Fielding puns um you like that but it was like I was very close to going and saying hey mov receiver because I knew I thought I was a better athlete than some of the guys that were on the field I'm like I know I can be on the field I'm not on the field now and I was a step away from asking at BC to move to because they were upper now none of the guys actually actually Matt Ryan's Uncle John lockrey was the original starting quarterback he tore tendon in his thumb and then the other two guys got a chance to play didn't play well I finally got in at a game and at Penn State and lit it up and was off and running ain't nobody ever want to put flute in but when you put flute in you're always gonna win right baby that's how it goes back now let's go back in time we have a On This Date segment where we go back in time towards the the era of the game what is that is that is that Wayne World Way World Way world oh my god so let's go around November 23rd 1984 number one movie Supergirl oh my God no idea I didn't I don't heard was a flop flop I never heard of it no I don't know $35 million budget only made 14 mil boy this was uh this was Fay done away but it was movie it was number one that weekend it was Thanksgiving weekend is that a weekend tough movie weekend yeah number one song Wake Me Up Before You Go go wham we know that one yeah Gerard love I Gerard loves wh wh guy he was a yes I was like Van Halen and shoot mle crew whatever Gerard loved Wham John Bon oh I Big John John I've been to more Bon joovy concerts than John has been you know what I saw him yesterday I saw him yesterday and and we've we've developed he's he's such a goodl looking dude yeah like the hair is still silx the hair hair can see that smile hang out in the handsome uh West Craven's Nightmare on Elm Street premieres I I saw it it was a classic it was a classic it was one of those you know is that that's Freddy Krueger right yeah the Terminator Karate Kid Ghostbusters the original Karate Kid original the original Ghostbusters wax off wax on wa wax off with Mr Miyagi Miyagi by the way hey sweep the leg sweep the leg I have Alex Guerrero from the first time I ever met him he's in my phone as Alex Miyagi because he was like that weird you know what I mean with all his little techniques and [ __ ] that's what I used to call him Alex Miyagi Purple Rain Purple Rain uh man Karate Kid that was such a crazy crazy cultural F phenomen what was life like for you in 1984 oh my gosh I 1984 my senior year college um I was I didn't I was football football football Leonard scanner I've always been I'm a Skinner nut Skinner nut I'm listening back 84 I was listening to a lot of Van Halen nice um in fact there's like a highlight reel from our senior year and we're at the Cotton Bowl in the locker room and I'm blairing Van Halen stuff going to California something but I was just I was a naive kid shot I I didn't party I didn't go out I didn't do Squad I was just football um then I signed with with Trump and the usfl and all that at the end of my senior year but I was a once once football season was over I was a Hoops junkie lived in the replex playing you still play Hoops I still I tried I played on the cruise ship a couple of weeks ago with old guys it's like I we took it to the young we lost the champ there was a three on three tournament so I'm 61 I got a 57y old and another 60 year-old on my team and we're playing like young college kids and we made it to the finals let's go we made it to the finals and then they realized to stop shooting like I said guys back off we're on a cruise ship right the the ship's moving the wind's blowing back off these kids are too stupid to do anything but shoot they'll shoot the ball and we you know people and we just you know go into get some layups and beat him but then finally the kids smartened up in the in the champ they just went inside and like put it up until they yeah but we lost that FL what's your what's your bball game like I was a point guard um I was a non-o now I'm a shoot now I shoot the ball well once at three-point line three-point line wasn't in play when I was in high school in college that's right so it was like if you took an outside shot you were stupid yeah you know it's like don't do that it's work until we there's no shot clock there's no three-pointer let wait till we get a good shot I was a p penetrating dish guy and all that and had fun in fact that BC I played my four years of football I didn't red shirt I signed my contract left in the spring came back the following fall to finish up and Michael Adams was a starter Mike had left to the NBA and Gary Williams was the head coach Gary came and asked me to play for the team because I used to play pickup with the team all the time I was going to there's a picture of me somewhere AP of me walking the ball up the court we were working out Bill Walton had just signed with the Bill Bill had just signed with the Celtics a bunch of Celtics guys were BC and we're all playing pickup and I'm walking up the floor with Bill Walton next to me I As Trump permission to play with uh BC he's like knock yourself out do whatever and then he saw that picture he's like I can't let you do it you get hurt I'm out a lot of money so I ended up not doing it damn that rocks we're a big Pro Bill Walton podcast so hearing that was that was high rip man that was sad these last these last weeks absolute Legend man you know with Walton I I grew up in the Bay area so I Lov the Pack 12 and then I moved out here and there was nothing like college sports here no it was nothing like a Tuesday night at 11 o' 10 o'clock at night here and you hear Bill Walton having a mushroom story when he's talking about goddamn basketball and he's talking about the goddamn Grateful Dead like guy can feel he could feel the air oh nothing like it man never will be again either oh in the Sports World in 1984 national champions were BYU yeah that bothered all of us BYU went undefeated because they didn't play anybody and then they played Michigan who had like a six and five record they played Michigan in the bowl game out in San Diego and and they claim a national championship that bothered all of us I'd love a you know there's Catholics versus convicts I'd love Catholics versus Mormons oh oh that's some religious Warfare quarterback was Jim McMahon no was was Ty Demmer doing his might have been Ty Ty um oh this was BOS I believe BOS yeah very very good who won the Heisman in 1984 Joey Bag of Donuts yeah Jo Joey finished second how the hell Doug flu wins the highman 1984 how was that that was nuts that was my junior Flutie Winning the Heisman year I actually finished third it was uh Mike Rosier Steve Young and then me and so I was the front runner going into my senior year and we had a big win early in the year against Alabama at Alabama I was 2 and0 against B by the way just but that out see you I was the front runner most of the year the the Hail Mary happens and it's like now I'm thinking this was something was so out of the question to me of of having in the realm of possibilities of winning the Heisman it became honestly what if I don't win it now I have to have that prepared you know how do I answer questions about not winning it the day of the Heisman though we played Holy Cross that day it was our last regular season game we I go from there did a quick press conference go in a van with the family and everybody to a local airport uh bclm had a private jet waiting we take off go to cheeter Boro in Jersey we land put my wife and I who my girlfriend at the time fiance um we take a helicopter ride over to the city my parents everybody got in limos and head over to the city helicopter ride land at a heliport across the street from the Downtown Athletic Club get out of the helicopter well first of all we're going over we had a little extra time and and I go any chance we can do like a tour of the city and the helicopter guy you know he's know asked permission they hey knock yourself out you Doug FW it's his day go so we do a little lap around this is my 20 you know we're 21 22 years old my wife and I in a helicopter in a helicopter going Heisman Trophy cruising around New York City we land on the across the street now I'm a kid out of I we had no money nothing I'd never done anything like this so they have a limo to drive us literally across the street get out of the car go up they had a room waiting they had food and stuff I had about 20 minutes to kill and it's all said my wife looks at me goes you think they do this for everybody you had to have won there's no way they do this they had no way you know because you don't know until they announce it and that that was just all very surreal it was it was just a cool experience and what's really cool now is go back every year and be around that room with the guys and the storytelling that goes on there's a hospitality suite every weekend and uh you know it's just it's just the storytelling and the guys that have been together for so many years and the sad part is every year um you know somebody passes away and and they used to have the de set up as and they still do but by age and at the end they put a helmet to represent anyone that had passed since and it's like once I get to the other side of this table I'm not going anymore it's like no once we I'm still I'm still left of the podium I'm still on this side of the podium once I'm on that side forget it I'm not going oh my God but you know what next year for the Heisman we're getting an addition we're getting Reggie Bush back oh Reggie coming back so Reggie Reggie's younger than me that's going to bump me to the other side that's going to bump me to the other side right there reg take that Heisman back take it back I'm done no not I'm not going man D how do you go back to campus after that was really like you fly to Heisman okay that night's the the the TV event and then you're there for a couple days doing lunch whatever blah blah blah and they wear you out I bet like I was worn out for three days doing non so what I did was I wanted to be back on campus I I flew back that night and flew back to New York the like took a day before I went back to New York because it was such a whirlwind I I hated all that stuff and that it was really cool cuz uh one of the women that works for NBC when I was doing broadcasting came up that she was a BC around the time when I was in school she was on campus she said and you don't know this stuff goes on you don't know how people perceive you and what their attitude about you is at all it was a really cool story of how everybody got to go together in their comment areas to watch the presentation show and the announcement and how you could have heard a pin drop on campus and then when the announcement the place exploded everybody's out partying and throwing you know vandalizing probably but you know it and then it's just cool stories to hear because you weren't a part of that you didn't know that was going on so you I heard you you wanted to be back on campus what's like the Food Spot you went to in in's what the Food Spot did you go to penos I went to penos I still go to penos anytime I'm near Cleveland Circle or BC i i s by penos they used to hand roll their own pepperoni it was awesome they don't do that anymore like I was very disappointed I talked to I was like you got to go back to the old pepperoni they say that's a isn't that the sister restaurant of Joe's in New York I'm not sure I I don't know well one of our our partners he always talks we go to penos all the time time get the the cheese steak there you get a you get the slice of pizza I always love to hear like the college spot yes that you like to eat at that for me was was penos I'd always hit penos there was a place called fantastic food factory that was down on the back side of it wasn't Beacon it was on K it was the 24-hour food you could go there anytime in a night morning whatever and everybody always f it was it was junk it was horrible but it was open middle of the night Fantastic 4 all right let's jump into this let's start breaking this before one thing before we wrap up in Hooping with Jordan 1984 just because we need two 49ers won the Super Bowl de marinaa won MVP Larry Bird won MVP and it was Michael Jordan and Mario lemuse rookie season what a year in sports what a year I got Jordan that that's first of all bird you know bird was my generation like that was Larry I still watch Larry Bird highlights on my phone always always because it was I'm old I can't move anymore so if I play basketball I better be smart and it's like the stuff he did was so like I loved when he'd have his back to the guy like trying to back him in he'd reach around the guy with a two-handed pass and go like that pull up the guy turn his head and just sit there stuff that takes no athleticism right it was just just smart SM he's like he he played kind of like Luca he just cuz Luca's like that or or or or Joker you know these guys they're like The Savvy dude at the YMCA when you're watching them like the tall good dude at the YMCA that just playing with all the young guys and still just roping and dop Jokers Larry didn't get enough credit for being as athletic as he was when he was young CU we all picture him later when his feet were bother me was just shooting but he did whatever the situation called for what and it was just a reaction to whatever was going on in front of him pass through uh Jabar Kareem's legs just behind the back all all the stuff that he just reacted to whatever the situation was in front of him he was great I was watching the one the other day where he had the Atlanta bench literally like falling over as he's torching oh yeah yeah one in New Orleans they play that random game in New Orleans 60 something points he's falling out of bounds three and the guy in his face and it goes in and the guys on the Atlanta bench are just cracking up on each other like you got to be kidding what about that there was the one game where some guy who talked to him and so he he played like the whole second half and only shot with his left hand he well he went into a game saying I'm going to just play this game left-handed he scored 18 or 20 of his points left-handed that night yeah yeah it's just stupid stuff Larry we were my wife and I were first row balcony of the old Garden for the game where bird steals the ball on the inbounds pass from Isaiah and he were there hits DJ going to the hoop yeah we were that's it's a Boston folk of course flu was there I mean there's a flood you're going to see flut there's a there's a championship game you're going to see flutes oh it was it was it was a fun time it was a fun run with their championships and always watching the Red Sox and it's just it's unbelievable you guys you know we just so spoiled at Boston so spoiled best sports town in the world bab it is but my my Jordan story was it was during the NFL strike and the Bulls were starting to practice and we used to go play pickup ball with the bulls Scotty Pippen Jordan you know I used to cover sad all three he played with LA and he was in Chicago at the time because he was the only guy that I could almost you know he was only four five inches taller than me you know and uh that was that was a cool time when Jordan would show up like the days that Jordan wasn't there I I handled the ball covered my guy had a hoop or two you know was comfortable when Jordan was there the intensity went through the roof and I was just like get the ball to somebody you know get ready to get it out of your hand it it was I remember walking through the training room and Jordan's getting taped and uh I started by go oh Doug your brother had a is that that's your brother plays for BC yeah yeah he got a great game against Syracuse my brother broke his hand and had a cast on one hand he's a receiver yeah and he had a couple of touchdowns a couple one-handed catches all that and and Jordan saw it and he's like mentioned I thought that was the coolest thing ever a little different from when the first time I met him Mike probably won a lot of money on that game [Laughter] so we've already talked about the story is out there but the first time I met him we were in the Super Bowl 14 and it's him and Jeter and I'm out to dinner I'm taking my folks out to dinner before the Super Bowl and and I'm leaving and I see Derek Jeter and Michael Jordan and I'm like sitting there like oh my God this is our show I gotta go say hi to him you know what I mean Jeter most Charming dude ever Jordan didn't say a word in till I was about to leave he goes hey kid I got a lot of money on you don't [ __ ] it up I mean just Mike I love God the wouldn't any other way Breaking down the Miami Hurricanes and BC Eagles let's talk about this Miami Hurricanes team let's run through the uh oh these guys they were sick we had no business being on that field we had no business if you were to watch that game their defense you were carving them up they played Zone it's like are you kidding me three deep three like Penn State was a dream country Penn State played the like they dropped the spots you know it was it was the the the the difference in that game was we sacked Bernie I think twice and picked him off twice and that was the only difference in the game you know we went up and down but they like you couldn't tackle Eddie Brown you couldn't tackle well Alonzo High Smith was hurt a guy named um oh my God how am I drawing a blank on he had five touchdowns that day running back but he had the day of his life life that was Melvin Bratton right Melvin Bratton we couldn't tackle these guys they were like elad Eddie Brown Willie Smith Alonzo Bernie a quarterback uh defensively you know they were just stud athletes and we were my senior class there was a coaching change at BC we were a bunch of Ivy League kids we were going to go to Ivy League schools Gerard was going to go to the Naval Academy and all that there was a coaching change at BC and they were just scrambling and signing guys we didn't belong on the field but this is Jimmy Johnson's first year too Jimmy Johnson's first year but cuz see I always in my mind looking back on this game it always feels like the full David Goliath but like this was number 10 and number 12 ranked teams at the time which was it wasn't that DAV Goliath they were coming off a national champ we were it's it's why you play the game you know it's like the Boise State thing against Oklahoma I I remember all the pundit that I was oh yeah they won the game but they're not as good as and it's about winning the game right it's about making plays doing what you have to to win we finessed people actually I say that we ran the ball great we had we had Boston College has always had good offensive lineman that end up going NFL cope C was a BC guy so uh actually in the cottonball we ran we rushed the ball for well over 200 yards and all that so we we could we had Troy straford was our tailback that played nine years and three of our receivers played in the NFL two tight ends four five linemen Bill Romanowski was on defense Roman you know we we had we had player we we had the guys that develop into players I love Roman Al spitting JJ sto's face oh my remember what you it's like that dude was crazy Kelvin Martin was the only real athlete on the field he was he was he was an NFL Talent athlete he weighed 160 pounds he was like a 153 when he came in he weighed 153 pounds when he came in as a freshman but he he was amazing you guys were averaging 33 almost 34 points a game oh we it was at a time been Trophy winner of course they are right well it was at a time when we could we threw the ball and not a lot of college teams were good or efficient at throwing the ball BYU was doing it we were doing it Iowa had a guy long Chuck long who who could throw the ball and you know passing offense you had that that was The Equalizer with teams like playing Alabama and playing whoever we played Miami we could throw the ball at him e the lines it's tough you get you can't you can't run the ball against those big boys Steve trillo was a first round draft choice offensive line for us Mark McDonald played in the NFL I think first or second tomble played with Denver uh it was you go down the list and all these guys well Gerard was drafted but had a bad knee injury my brother Darren played in the NFL for three years and a bunch in Canada uh Kenny Bell Easter hand and Troy straford all three running backs had careers in the NFL they're just ridiculous how how would you sum up this 1984 Boston College team we were the class that nobody wanted so it was overachievers it was all guys and and you guys talked about it on stage uh it's you don't want to let your teammate down trust thing and all that that's who we were we and I always say at a college level you get away with that you know at the NFL level you need a Randy Moss you need a couple of those guys but at the college level we didn't know we weren't supposed to beat Alabama we didn't know we were we weren't supposed to beat Clemson and Miami and all we weren't supposed to be on the field with those guys you know what when I went to Kent State I was playing quarterback out there I would get so mad when we would go and play like we played Ohio State and a lot of these kids they grew up in Ohio so they we lost the game before yes it even started because they were intimidated like oh this is they they made it such a thing but to hear that you your team we didn't know better you you didn't care we were naive we were Steve Stan who wind up playing in the NFL for a while with the Raiders Steve we go to Clemson to play Clemson Clemson was a defended National Champion yeah they told Coach Bick don't have your team on the field when they touch the Rock and come down it's very intimidating and sea of orange and all that and bicks like if it's that cool I want to see it yeah and that's who we we were we show up Stan's like put grabbing bags of grass like baggies and and putting the gr saying I played at Clemson and put that on the Shelf you know um that type of stuff but then we we play we didn't know we weren't supposed to be on the field with guys like the fridge and all the all these first round draft choice guys how how was it having Coughlin as a head as a QB coach it was and and I go to his go said you already referenced yeah I go to his golf tournament every year and he and I still talk about this are you taking the New Gen X when you're when you're there cuz I see you in the commercial BB that thing off new genx new genx Total T is thaty he I was the most I was Tom Brady during the years that I had Tom cofin I was the most disciplined I'd ever been I got my best grades I was a road scholar can I was a finalist for Road SC I I got more out of myself because of his discipline in me and teach he taught me more football than any other football coach then on game day I head coach Bick so I was relaxed and went out and just baled and played but he's to this day we ran whirly bird option like trap option come down the line I can still do the footwork because he ingrained it into my head 5 minutes every day doing that stupid footwork and he was he was meticulous and he was what I needed as a college kid Coughlin was the best thing ever happened to me and and gave me the chance to do what I did n yeah I almost signed with him in 13 I was a free agent where was he Giants he was with the giant he was the head coach of Giants and we I sat in his office with his little red cheek and uh you guys got some red cheeks well when I signed with you guys in ' 05 I almost signed with the Giants to go with Coughlin because Coughlin was a head coach and the offensive coordinator was John huffnagel who was my coordinator in Calgary but he you could just tell that you know him and bill came from that same kind of tree from the parcel thing you could just tell he was a tough dude and he ran his ship tight tight all my classes had to be in the morning done before noon go grab lunch I'll meet you here at 1:00 you're here you know now regular meetings didn't start till whenever but I always met with him first um and you you know it was that you better be early and the book is open you're ready to take notes feet flat on the floor no no elbows on the table all that stuff no hats in the meeting room just regiment and he built discipline in me geez what do you think about the Billy O'Brien era of BC football now I I Billy O’Brien Era of Boston College saw Billy last night I'm excited for him I don't know why the hell anybody would take a college coaching job anymore I just I I it's all just a a GameChanger everything's different uh you're going to have these kids and develop them you got a spring to develop these kids because they're going to play in the fall and then they're going to leave you next year you know I love BC I love the football I'd love to see them there's no reason why they can't be competitive football-wise in the in the ACC basketball is another question but um I just think we should be in the mix you know there's Clemson maybe Florida State talent-wise and then everybody else and we should be the top of everybody else and giving them a run for their money I mean you got to recruit your own goddamn players yeah that's what that mean every year every year that's that's free agency every year high school transfer portal your own team I I just talked about all these guys and I could tell you all kinds of We're the bond that I had with my BC guys four years together you know and we still see each other we're in text change and email these kids aren't going to have that no they're going to a school about the money not about the school not about the coach about the money they play for a year and if they're not the guy if they're not doing what they hop they could do they're gone then if they do what they H they could do they're still looking for more money out of someone else so there's that's all out the window you know I I was thinking about it like I went to Ken State my first year we bowled out we had like a historic year for the school if it was this time I would have went to Oregon right after I mean why wouldn't you why wouldn't you well that's how you get a lot more money you're going to get to play in the west cup you know what I mean well like Kent State Boston College Wake Forest those types of schools we first Stu don't put us in that category we're we're a step for two below but I appreciate it the point is that those type of schools take a risk on a guy that they see talent in and develop them and maybe by their junior senior year they're studs but maybe the sophomore year they help junior year they're play but if you get to that point they leave yeah once you develop them they're leaving now yeah so they there's just no way to get it done ridiculous Jack why don't you give us the game leadup let's get into this leadup of this game as Doug mentioned Game Lead Up and Breakdown earlier this was a day after Thanksgiving Day Day game that Prime 230 spot Brent musberger on the call this is vintage college football this is good stuff Miami entered 8 and three as we said earlier ranked number 12 BC and two 10th ranked team BC had already accepted the cotton bow invitation so as Doug said earlier this was playing for pride and don't forget they had Holy Cross the next week too so can't look past the Crusaders baby and it was uh Miami Sixpoint favorite in this one we're talking betting lines shout out Michael Jordan um and Miami Miami is coming off a crazy loss to Maryland the week before Frank re they're up 31 nothing at halftime Frank Reich we know Frank Reich these days storms back and they beat him beat him so they're kind of reeling probably pissed really wanting to get a dub out there picture this okay Miami you know top 12 team right up 31 nothing wind up losing to Maryland insane insane play us lose on the Hail Mary at the end of the game go to their bowl game and play Ohio State who kicks a 55 Yard Ohio State I believe it was Ohio state 55 yard field goal in the last play of the game to beat him their last three games what how Jimmy Johnson is like I'm done I I quit oh my god oh Jimmy just went and got better players oh har on the nil deal early oh my God yeah what a crazy way to end the season my God uh that's nuts but getting into this game it was a windy Misty foggy day down at the old Orange Bowl started out it was a track meet from the jump from the jump 14 nothing BC gets up then Miami storms back ties it up 1414 do at what point were you just like oh [ __ ] like just give us the ball back every time well it it felt like it felt like a practice like you were just completing passes dropping back and throwing driv and in the third quarter we actually punted and we had to kick a field we punted once and we kicked a field goal and I thought that's where game over game over and uh like I said the difference was we had a pick at least one Bill Romanowski picked them off over the middle and it was a stop and that got us back into that they score we score thing and we got back into that Rhythm but I like I went over to coach pick they had third and 21 they had a penalty with three and a half minutes ago they had a penalty and had were on their own five yard linish and birdie we almost sacked him for a safety he gets out he dumps it to the back he gets 20 yards and on Fourth and short they get the first down there's still a minute and a half there's still two minutes on the clock I go over to Coach B I go let him score just let him [ __ ] score so we can get the ball back with enough time yeah and uh they milked the clock walked it down and and scored with 28 seconds it's like yeah right 28 seconds what are we going to do with that and then we get down to that play that we all know yeah down to the Miami 48 when we got the ball my mentality was we've got three or four plays here let's get the ball to Midfield just make sure we get to Midfield we take a couple shots we had two timeouts college football the clock stops after first right so we get a first down on the first one on a seam route we get a first down on the second one out of bounds and I'm like we're already across Midfield we still got two timeouts so there was one play was an incompletion I never used the timeouts you know I we still had two in our pocket and uh are you calling timeouts you're dropping them I yeah that's another thing we call them on the on the field yeah but we were really good at two minute in College college is they waste more time know looking to the Seline getting the play and all that I mean I was just calling my own plays so we get it we line up in a hurry I get to play called I'm ready to snap the ball before the official and then on the whistle boom he snaps the ball yeah we didn't waste time we may maybe we lost a second and a half you know but uh we were we were good at not wasting time on our two minute not didn't have to use the timeouts so you didn't have to use a timeouts and it goes into the last play now what's your mindset can you take us beat for beat with that my mindset is I was hoping to get a little closer didn't happen incompletion 6 seconds okay it's time for Hail Mary I'm getting in the huddle to call the play and they're running a freshman on the field with the play like I got to freaking listen to this it's like sea Sean debrowski freshman Dumbo was his nickname they put they want him on the field because he can jump yeah it's not going to be it's like you're a freshman sit down um I'm waving him off the field because I want Troy straford he was a fifth year senior I wanted Troy on the field for the play and him be one of the receivers he was a running back but I wanted him in the mix little that I know Troy had a pulled hamstra he never get the field on the so Troy starts to jog off the field I'm yelling at Troy to get his ass back here and Dumbo off the field so the Freshman does he's like I'm listening to Doug and I'm off the field Troy comes back to the Huddle the bench sends Shawn back I'm like no sit down so we get the play called we go to the line of scrimmage and there's an inadvertent whistle and a flag and there the Defenders were on Gerard and on Troy leaving Kelvin Martin the outside receiver to be the Free Runner to get down there first and after the inadvertent whistle we line up again now I tell the tight end go down the backside and my My Philosophy is buy as much time as possible making a jump ball but back then everybody dropped back throw it the receivers are still trying to get there you know you got you got to buy time to get time get your guys down there last second the defender decided you know what this is the guy with speed I'm going to go Jam him it walks off Gerard goes to the outside Defender allowing Gerard to be the first guy down now Gerard they did a niceo on the replay he looks like he's running a 5440 I mean we're in a wet he's just chugging down the field with his head down and when I rolled right they all the Defenders sat flat and let your go right by him he's deeper than the deepest and turning around and seeing the ball thrown but then when I pulled up it kind of like a javelin you know on the Move threw it and got it there I was going to look backside but a linebacker was running at me so I didn't have time to look backside I get outside I just let it launch to an area I see the two Defenders go up and everybody just fall to the ground and there's a half second delay and I see an official's arms I'm like you got to be [ __ ] kidding me I start laughing my ass off and start running towards the pile and I never got down there there's a great picture of Steve Trillow with me in his arms I guess I jumped his jumped up and we all saw your little got hairy hair then there's a better picture that I love of me and my brother's arms from the back of him with fluty on his jersey at me with my arm in the air too that was a cool pick man um but I and then I everything settled down starting towards the locker room I didn't know who caught it I assumed Gerard caught it I didn't know caugh I say I ran into our strong safety Dave prer I said you who caught the ball oh Gerard caught it da now how did was there a roommate chemistry oh no doubt that's why you Randy was talking about putting his locker next to Tom yeah yeah there's Jord and I finish each other sentences yeah four years together roommates the whole time all that kind of stuff and talking at lunch talking at and that's where you build the Rapport and you understand what the other guy's thinking yeah you know that and it's not like you intentionally are having lunch together to talk about football you just talk about at dinner you know talk about practice oh yeah that was that was a cool route like you know we should do this we should do that what about this subconsciously yeah you guys when you know each other I mean there's a trust it bill you we you knew in those situations who to lean on and Gerard was always that guy in college Eric molds was that guy for me in Buffalo Tim Dwight who's a good friend Tim was that guy for me in San Diego yeah um yeah fast fast why boy he could run he just got his hip replaced too did he he's running again man he's so he's so fired up he's oh he's jacked like he's got a little bit of looks like he might have a belly it's all ass he's like he could be a boxer he's just he was lightning yep now how does it feel to have probably the most iconic play in college football history I I you know what I say I say most of us are forgotten even if you win the Heisman whatever people forget never forgot keep going at least I have a play people remember and it comes up all the time and they all have their memory of oh you know we turned the TV off and went home and found out on the news back when you didn't have your phone you had to wait till the 11:00 News to see the Highlight right um you know I so many stories about where they were who NFL guys were uh it was a Friday afternoon and all the NFL guys that I ran into later said they were in the locker rooms after practice watching the end of the game and you know so you get all the stories of where everybody is what they did I know where I was and you've got a hell of a lot more see I didn't know we didn't realize it was that big a deal it was a big deal to us you know we just won a big game you know we land now Boston we talked about Boston is not a college sports town it's Pro this Pro Sport baby we landed Logan airport and there's like 10,000 people and they had the Jord and I they pulled the side we we go into like everybody's going to the team bus and they shoved us into a cruiser and get the hell out of there and it was like Beatles stuff it was like that was that didn't happen in Boston no for college sport for college but I mean when you guys go out and have probably the most impossible play literally we're still this is 35 years after and we're still talking about this play I mean that's so cool that's such an insane you know you have all those moments in your head of big plays plays that helped you win the Super Bowl the play that was a pivotal play and we all know those plays for ourselves game to game but this is one that that everybody saw and everybody remembered so it's it's a pretty cool thing to have what's that mean to you though like that's got to be one of your is this is this your proudest moment you know I I don't know or was it the gray cups I I always go to the we won our first gr my first championship my first ring was a gray cup I was playing in Calgary and we had to go 88 yards with a minute on the clock no timeouts into a 35 mph wind and we went the length of the field and I run it in for the score that's my go-to cuz that that was not a great cup game that was the like AFC NFC Championship game to get to the Great cup and then I won my first championship in the gr cup so that to me was maybe the most important but uh this is obviously the most talked about man that's amazing still to this day what's the aftermath Jack Miami goes down in the Orange Bowl BC oh was UCLA not oh y so my bad we got that one UCL UCLA hit a 55 yard field goal on the last play to beat him not AIO State sorry about that uh BC comes out Victorious 47 45 one of my worst games ever was that Holy Cross Game the following week we won big it was Holy Cross Trap game trap game my yeah my little brother had a hell of a day he had a couple touchdowns and catches and a great run but yeah I I played like crap can you imagine playing with you're the Heisman Trophy and you throwing touchdowns your bro it was the last regular season game cool that's [ __ ] cool he was a freshman that went in on rundowns and blocked and came out and he had maybe 12 to 15 catches that year you know a couple of catches here and there and that Holy Cross game he had his first touchdown uh it was a cover two and we had a deuce formation two tight ends two flankers he was a flanker out to the right and we had a run play called I saw cover two I checked to three verticals and I went play I don't even know if it was play action dropped back I looked the safety in the middle he was a walk into Darren down the rail I didn't even realize he was in the game thank God I would have overthrown him or something if I knew his I would have screwed it up so I turn and that was pretty cool but we get the ball back come back and he runs a little trap two guys in the whole bounces off spins goes like 20 yards for a touchdown and I was like that was cool because he earned that one like I did kind of the work on the first one yeah but he really got he got the it was really it was cool for him to be a part of that senior year for me he left Boston College as the all-time leading receiver wow and then signed as a free agent played three years in the NFL was a Hall of Famer in Canada didn't didn't you guys have there was a fluty that played on our team was it his son or was there wasn't there at BC no but for the Patriots for a second like came into our camp wasn't there a I doubt it but Billy my nephews my brother Bill's boys um Billy played at Boston College my other nephew Troy Darren's son played at Boston College yeah that's what it he didn't he have a big play or didn't one of the fluty I just remember when when I was playing here there was a there was a young fluty yeah that had a big play or well Billy Billy had a play where uh they beat Virginia Tech on a fake field goal and he threw a touchdown pass he hman he had a big touchdown pass uh that's what he was and then Troy as a freshman got a chance to play and start and played well for a few weeks and then that whole he he got into at a little bit by the situation and the coach and all that didn't play well for a while and never got our shot but uh had a couple couple nephews still a lot of flutes though everywhere right a lot of flutes keep it going Jack that's right BC would go on to beat Houston in the Cotton Bowl as we mentioned finished 10 in to number four in the nation and Doug landed on the cover of Sports Illustrated after this one Sports Illustrated back when it was Sports Illustrated yeah that's pretty Dar wasn't even his coolest thing he got flu flakes what was the origin of the flut flakes how did that come along well I had left the CFL I signed with Buffalo and during the off season know training not mini camps whatever I signed a a deal with plb sports to do some type of endorsement we hadn't decided on what kind of food they asked me a frozen food and I'm like frozen pizza I'm a pizza guy Let's Go frozen pizza they come back to me with well the profit margin's better on a breakfast cereal I go why' you ask me you know so then they asked me a favorite I was like Frosted Flakes guy you know let's do a a flake they yeah sure we do it supposed to come out during beginning of the Season training camp well everything got pushed back delayed it didn't happen and the timing happened to work out perfectly with when I took over as a starter it finally came out it was like fluty Mania and buffalo it was nuts I was scheduled I had scheduled a autograph signing in Rochester at a home quarters like a Home Depot right during the like early on before I was playing well now it was the height I was playing the fluty flakes were out it was supposed to be 7 to n that night on a Tuesday people were showing up the store at noon they had to close the they had 25 200 people in the store by 2 o'clock in the afternoon had to close the doors and not allow I went to sign I got there an hour early I signed from 6 o00 to 10:30 oh my God and did not get through half of the people it was a zoo it was just the whole thing just blew up and became a big deal and the flues was about Foundation it was a big it was a big thing I mean when you went and took the store I remember that I mean I liked you more and when you're a charger but let's name this let's name this game Naming and Scoring the Game so we this is a segment where we name the game we score the game what do you think we should give the name of this game The Hil fluty the hail marry game the miracle Miami the Miami Miracle or something that comes to your mind what should we name think the miracle in Miami was the one that stuck and fits that fits the Hail Mary game could have been Aaron Rogers any week of the Season hail fluty is a little presumptuous but that's what the internet likes to call it if you that's the best Google oh really yeah but that's cool this is his miracle in Miami I Miracle Miami there's been quite a lot of miracles in Miami too I know we got smoked on the last play game when we had grank in there for the hail Mar and then they didn't oh my God still too soon let's score let's score this score of the game is this the greatest game of all time let's score it Stakes 1 to 10 decimals okay on this game the stakes of this game it's a high nines oh the stakes in the game Stakes the stakes it meant nothing it was bragging rights it was situ because the week before cotton bow we took the cotton ball bid because they wanted a New Year's Day bid they wanted a winner goes to the sugar loser to the fiesta and the fiesta was not a New Year's day bowl at that time and our Administration didn't want to take a chance they didn't have trust us they didn't want to we could have played for a national championship if we went to Sugar Bowl um but we took we took the bird in hand so the stakes were five crazy how the bows worked back then Jes Stakes I mean he's got a Heisman Trophy going Underdog a I mean this is still Miami versus BC David versus Goliath I'm going to go with a seven okay Jack did a seven .4 I did a 7.8 it's an Integrity score by Integrity score it's an Integrity score star power 0 to 10 this was this was this was nine primarily because of all their studs and then I was the front runner for the Heisman at the time V tester was a backup quarter he was on the bench you got Vinnie Tess you got Bernie Kar you got Doug fluty Heisman Trophy winner you got Tom Coughlin I think at this point Tom Tom was gone but you had uh Jimmy Johnson Jimmy Johnson yeah I mean I'm Pro I'm going to go eight and a half I like it did 5.9 I did 7.3 I was a Russian judge there sorry what am I thinking game play come on this is an all time this is great unless you're a defensive coach um for me it was one of my most polished games I there's like three throws I wish I had back in the third quarter um start out like n you started out 12 11 of 11 11 11 and I can't do that in practice Yeah I was not a high percentage guy I was a wheel and deal throw it up the field it's make big plays so my completion percentage that's why I started running shovel passes up in Canada keep my that completion those high percentage throws um game play both offenses were amazing the defenses not that they played poorly they just weren't I I got to go like 85 nine somewhere 85 high scoring for me it it was fun the hail Mar at then I mean that's that's a nine nine I mean you guys no one stopped anyone this is this was basically what we all wanted in the future Jack had a 7.8 which I think we're going to need to get some ice checked on Jack Kyler had a 9.5 there were a couple of punts in the game name of the game we got to score the name Miracle in Miami cultural re cultural 40 years later we're still talking about it I always refer to it as the miracle in Miami because I think that was the headline on Sports Illustrated so I I've always always labeled it as that I'll go with Miracle of Miami so what's the score of the miracle in Miami you got to score the name oh score the name you got to score the name Doug 7.5 75 I'm GNA go 84 Jack has a 9.1 I have a 9.7 all right where does it go 796 what does that lead in in the score jimy heartbreak would be a fun one or Bernie's heartbreak heartbreak ber that's right above game five of the 2005 NBA Finals Spurs versus pistons and right below Super Bowl 53 Patriots Rams this one's way too low this is going to be a game that needs to be rescored at some point in the next what we got what is this our top game these are all the games that we scored rated and the game fits in we had big shot Rob 23rd for that 2005 the Rams who did we have Slater slate matth Slater this is a way better game than that this is crazy whatever this should be a top five game amen amen Doug did we miss anything Wrapping up with Doug about this game or this season or Boston College probably not we just raked it over the coals but we beat Alabama at the beginning of that year that kicked off the season we were down 3114 Carrie good had just returned the opening kick off the second half he was a stud went 10 whatever yards and we're down 3114 at Alabama and we came back to win that and Tony Thurman had a couple big interceptions I think he had three interceptions in that game and uh that was the game that made the season possible and that's lowkey the game that helped you win the Heisman as well ABS that was like early in the year high-profile nationally televised when things weren't nationally televised and coming off my junior year that put me as the front runner early in the year man you want to plug anything just our foundation Doug fluty junr foundation for autism we have an event coming up in August that is going to be my life's work you know I I thought I played football a long time I've already had the foundation for 25 years um and we are it's it's really cool to see the difference we're making and helping people and building facilities and building opportunities for kids with autism you know that that was the first time Doug and I ever got to meet I was a huge childhood fan I was so fanatic of Doug fluty I was a 510 59 quarterback he was my like God and I disappointed him never never never you gave me the invite I think it was basketball game no it was a Hard Rock Cafe oh the Hard Rock Cafe thing yeah we did the Hard Rock Cafe I got to meet you there and it was for the Doug fluty Jr foundation and it it's impressive to see where you give your time you know we we all talk about how great he was on the field in college with the gray the gray cups as a a professional in NFL but to see your life work and where you you put your heart and your time with with with your Doug fluty Jr Foundation I remember to this day and I'm very thankful that you know I put that early on in his career he we was there you know supporting me and supporting us and being there that was really cool and I remember that no doubt that and I remember the basketball game we played somewhere out in wer or whatever and you came out for it it was how how terrible was the basketball game that I played in that was a terrible B we had we we we had like celebrities verse cops or something no it was like a harlem glob rers typee team and we want to be competitive and they want to do their tricks so it's like but it went well it went well man Doug I just want to say thank you for taking the time come on my podcast I mean you're such a huge inspiration for me for a lot of kids but for me individually man I love you to death and thank you for coming on games of names thank you Doug little [ __ ] at my guy well that was awesome to have Mr Boston in Boston dude Doug foot is so cool man that's like an EP when you're pitching games with names that's a games with names episode that is a games with names Hail Mary I mean old flutes just rolling around in a kayak during a flood or canoe looking like sea pen down Hurricane Katrina down there saving lives paddling through the water getting a workout in NAC High School sweatshirt on yeah everywhere bro I mean he's still he still has that Competitive Edge that competitive fire I almost fell out of my chair when he's talking about dropping 30 on a Carnival Cruise Ship playing pickup with 19y olds like backing them down crafty old veteran basketball moves incredible flutes he played with Jordan play pickup Jord wild where did that one needs some I mean more unearthing oh my God we need to do a games with names on that we need to do a games with Nam on that I need some footage I need security cameras picks whatever I can get that's incredible we got to get them back on we got to do like a gray cup for our Canadian friends we do I'm down bro I mean CFL needs love too C he was legit one of my heroes I don't blame you man you know and then he exceeds they always say you never want to meet your hero nah you can meet your hero in its flues cuz he's just a great dude heart over height all day baby rolls up what was on his uh what was on his his request Starburst Starburst 5 drink Coca-Cola and a Coke love it baby and he still looks great he was telling he said a handful of Starbuck Starbursts get him right he's the best noville no nothing just a handful of Starburst hey he goes my energy was down I just need a starburst what's funny we were at a bar the other day and like the new genx commercial came up I like I know that guy yeah now I got to get Frank Thomas on secret ingredient new genx Starburst Starburst ground up Starburst in a capsule in honor of Doug floody's legendary Hill Top 5 Hail Marys Mary we're going to rank some of the best Hail Marys of all time we'll come to a consensus of our top five what are they this is tough let's get into them here you want to uh should we read through them real quick first let's read through them yeah all right so first of course the BC Doug fluty to his roommate Gerard failen vers Miami we talked about that one got to put that in the list he always kept them the first name basis too Gerard Gerard Gerard big Wham guy do you buy we got to look at the tape again but do you buy that the guy was open he text me I forgot oh the all the all he text me a picture of it okay well we'll put that on the show we'll put that on the show cuz I yeah I had never heard that one before cuz I feel like a guy like that he always has to talk about that play he's got to like come up with some little like wrinkle or fun little inside thing that he texts me a picture he go it's a picture of the film and he it's zoomed into the guy is the play as memorable if he just hits that wide open guy and he walks in no no yeah but maybe B on field all right the band is on the field uh we got Russell Wilson the Golden Tate vers Green Bay that was back on September 24th of 2012 I remember that someone was a little bit more Infamous than famous that's the the Fail Mary right I believe so yes why is it the fail let's throw it up real quick cuz it shouldn't have been it should not have been a catch but what do you mean why not I remember this but I don't remember this this was fake refs yeah I remember this okay this is the right one oh this was refs on strike year yep all right so we got that one on the list next which by the way against the Packers and didn't the Packers have one then we also have we've included Green Bay Aaron Rogers to Jeff Janice against the Cardinals January 16th 2016 isn't an NFC divisional round game that is which is wild that's still the game they lost when Larry Fitzgerald had that crazy play at the end correct yes this was to tie it yeah and then the not Larry Fitzgerald had that crazy play yeah that's a crazy that's a great that's a great game we should do that game at some point I'm down get LaRon get LaRon um then we're staying in Arizona Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins versus Buffalo November 15 2020 also known as the hail Murray crazy one that was a great I remember that one rolls out lets that thing fly moving to the college game before we move on from Kyler Murray as a Kyler myself I've never met any other Kyler the world and so I've always like whenever I meet a Kyler it'll be like a moment and the first Kyler I met was Kyler Murray and I can't stress enough how little he cared you hate to see it you hate to see it you hate to see it man Kyler then we're moving to the college game this is the 1980 Holiday Bowl BYU SMU BYU came back from 4525 down with 3 minutes and 57 seconds left in the game this is a crazy one the holiday bull comeback maybe for all you Mormon fans out there we do this game at some point yeah should I say LDS members LDS members is that Steve Young what's an LDS member Latter Day Latter Day Saints we got a lot of Latter Day Saints uh people in my life do you really yeah agent oh tight Carter Chow shout out I didn't know that Alex Guerrero shout out really I did not know yeah this was Jim McMahon by the way Jim McMahon Jim McMahon forgot when they were were QB yeah wow qbu then we're back to Aaron Rogers man Mr Hail Mary himself the miracle in mtown vers the Lions this was on an untime down another crazy one and then back to the college game we have LSU vers Kentucky Marcus Randall to Dey Henderson the Bluegrass Miracle this game has been requested 74 y As Time expires what year this was 2002 I believe Nick Sabin was Nick Sabin LSU quarterback was for Kentucky Jared Lorenzo the big guy bsur throw boy baby he played for the Giants for a while yeah oh I loved him as a in the early 2000s oh he was how much did he weigh like 270 and then he got when he was in the arena league he got he got got why he he just did he just got he played it like 285 Dang if Doug Doug fluty to you was like Jared Lorenzen to me he was 64 though I thought he was shorter no he's a big guy I was thinking he was like 61 yeah had a Canon um Canon for an arm do we want to uh how do we to do we want to watch a couple of these do we want to just we got this we got this all right what are we thinking we we already saw the the fake one is that making the top five the infamous yeah no it was it shouldn't count it was real done no fake gra fake fake F fake news fake news I think you got so what's five first we got five we'll go five we'll start at five what are you thinking Jackie I think Rogers has got to be in here at some point I think I kind of feel like putting one of the Rogers ones down here for being a guy that probably is removed as ever from like religion and like these like a probably a science guy right this guy has the most hail mares really you know what I mean it's crazy so he's got to be in there that is funny it's the mother Gia yeah what the the aasa long I don't know which is cool which is cool float your boat so which so they lost this Green Bay game right yeah they end up losing that one so be that one one they won the one against the Lions has a good name Miracle and mtown yeah this I feel bad cuz we're we're such a pro Lions podcast I we like mcdc we like Calvin we we like Matthew we also just like the Motor City we do baby we like Detroit Pizza Detroit piz hate the turf though Turf is hated hated like the Ford Museum the largest M I think it's the large or is it the Ford Museum there's I think the Fords own it but that's like the largest museum per capita in the world still want to go it's amazing all right so that one's in all right we'll put that at number five four um I feel like we gotta the Kyler Murray one is a regular season game it is a regular season game but it was very impressive DeAndre like rarely do you see a hail Murray where the guy pretty much goes up and high points it which very true DeAndre did DeAndre Hopkins I mean after this every like it just shot out he had the best hands in the league also hail Murray it is hail Murray we'll go through four three so what do we got left we've got BC we've got the BYU and the holiday ball and we got the blueg grass miracle I like I'm part I love a good I'm a sucker for some SEC ball man I kind of want to put that at three I kind of think it could be two maybe even two honestly could be two wasn't the that wasn't the year LSU won the title was it with Nick Sabin believe so uh I think we got to go with byuu for three because they're both Christian schools and this is a Christian play kind of I love that I like that get your rosary beads out I don't think neither of those christianities use rosary beads Catholics do but BC will I don't think SM oh yeah no Protestant or something I don't know yeah big time no you're right the holiday bull at 3 the holiday bullet 3 now between the Bluegrass Miracle and the hail fluty one or two or he calls it the miracle in Miami I think you got to put that number one flu's got to be one flut won for sure's won we're giving it to our we can we go with with give LSU number two I think we may have to redo it yeah we got a there are a lot more in here Aaron's got two hail mares so he's got to be probably number two I don't know if it showed up in here but didn't he have a game where he had two hail marri's in the same game Aaron Rogers has like the craziest like he has crazy things about his career and like what his strengths are like he's the best at using his Cadence we used to have a Green Bay Cadence named after Aaron Rodgers where the guy jumps off sides we snap it so you get the free play how many times does he get that a lot yeah he practic his C his Cadence gamees probably some of the best of all time great Cadence game The Double H Mar this yeah was in the same drive against Arizona Cardinals this is that Iona Cardinals game that they lost yeah this is crazy yeah that is pretty impressive our top five hail fluty the Bluegrass Miracle the holiday ball BYU SMU hail Murray and then the miracle in mode time please audience tell us why we're wrong Jules can we do a quick I don't know that we did it enough with Jules but can you tell us by the book what you're supposed to be doing on the hill Mary well I don't know no I do know teaching wise I know it's a free-for-all at some point you you're trying to for a last play of the game situation you're trying to get as many guys as you can in the endzone and you create like a box or a triangle where there's someone in the middle who is trying to get up and High Point the ball like the example of DeAndre then you have either one or two guy you have two guys in front of him then you have a guy behind him that are trying to play the tips okay you know sometimes it's a box we have but it's hard getting all the guys down there but that's what you're trying to do you're trying to get a box or a triangle with a guy in the middle so you can just try to play the best possible situation out for deflex guy who's in the middle is trying to High Point if it doesn't the other guys are trying to play ricochets that makes sense this ain't Madden where you just click four verticals and and scan the field baby there's some science to it there's also like the counter Hail Mary which Doug was kind of saying oh we had the guy the tight end and the backside where you know those three guys will be going up in one side and I know this is podcast this is terrible podcasting but you know you got three guys going here and then the last second one of the guys goes to the back end to try to create a one-on-one because you they're all they all know you're playing the box so if you can get one guy like we'd have a grank play or grank would go over there so you can get a match up potentially oneon-one two onone is better than having like Five Guys on three over here so there's that as well but hail married by definition is everyone getting End Zone let's try to let's try to play it what was fun about this Bluegrass Miracle one is that they were like 15 yard short got tipped up the guy were like snuck through and like split the Defenders and that's a real hair that's a great one inv that was number two I mean rightfully so did you ever attempt a Hail Mary at Ken State I don't think so I was going to say I know I know the Ken State tape but I don't remember any I I never did there's a couple at the end of games I think I've been involved in an end a game one actually no cuz you h no I feel you I just feel like I have because we've practiced the situation a million times football ready for it so the next time it happens it's deja vu well what a game thanks again to Doug that's been another episode of games Outro with names subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify wherever you listen to your podcast comment a game you want us to do and remember rate and review so much better so much better remember to follow games with names on YouTube Instagram X Tik Tok and Snapchat leave a message on the hotline at 424 291-2290 we'll see you guys next week games with names and a production of iHeart radio for more podcasts from iHeart Radio visit the iHeart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts