Trump vs Harris Debate Watch Party | PBD Podcast | Ep. 468

ENT all right we are live with a crowd let me tell you you guys are crazy we go nonstop they're here what is but what's today but it's today Tu today Tuesday night it's it's uh 8:30 we're probably going to go till around midnight by the way my 10-year-old son my 10-year-old son Dylan was negotiating I'm going tonight I said Dylan you don't even like politics he says but I love you I said Dylan you can come with daddy so he's somewhere here wherever Robert is Robert's doing homework with him right now in the back oror shout out to Robert being a great uncle and uh apparently something's happening tonight there's a isn't today the first time or the second time this one person that's trying to apply for the most important job in the world who doesn't like to talk to people but her job is to talk to people today she's going to be forced to talk to people right today's the ultimate job interview right we're going to see have you by the way have you guys ever applied for a job without doing a lot of interviews this may be the first person I can pull this off can you imagine you go to a company you get a job you don't do any interviews right wow so now Tom I'm going to read a couple things with rules for tonight in a minute in 20 minutes we will watch the debate together we'll comment during the breaks and then also we'll comment afterwards and as some of us here we're going to go to the back have some cigars and have good conversations together so debate rules Rob if you want to pull this up no opening statements closing statements will be 2 minutes per candidate candidates will stand behind Podium for the duration of the debate props and pre-written notes are not allowed on stage okay Rob if you do we know who that is no that's somebody's phone it's all good okay all right so candidates will stand behind Podium for the duration of the debate props and pre written notes are not allowed on stage props and pre-written notes not allowed on stage interesting no topics or questions will be shared in advance candidates will not be permitted to ask questions of each other candidates will not be so you can't say hey what do you mean by that no no if you can't say like hey why don't you tell everybody out there how the border is doing since you're the borders are you can't ask that you can't so okay what are you going to do you going to silence them so that that's that's going to be well what if the the person's doing it I'm actually curious to know how they handle this one here because remember guys don't forget the last time that there was the debate with Biden and Trump you know none of the moderators at all tried to defend Biden and the the feedback I give at the end was the fact that I think everybody knew Tapper knew Dana knew that he was out and they're just kind of like listen this guy's not going to be the hurry up and wrap it up if they jump in trying to defend kamalo tonight guess what they knew last one he was out and they know tonight that they're trying to help Kam Tom I'm going to give you guys the polls we have the great Amy and Tom here by the way how many you guys watch their show what they're doing on a weekly basis if you watch it out there they've been crushing it right the two of them the decision 2024 and then we have a uh uh obviously so here's go rob go to the Sienna poll if you could go to the Sienna poll if you could Sienna poll if you could it's on your notes that you got right here so if you look at the Sienna poll this is New York Times September 10th today it has Harris ahead by two points ahead of trump Wisconsin has Trum Harris ahead by three right then you got Michigan 49 to 47 Harris Carolina 4847 Trump Penn 4948 Harris Carolina was Harris as well Nevada is Harris as well Georgia is Trump Arizona is Trump now this is Sienna pole Tom when you guys who study all of these poll how much credibility do you give to this poll here from Sienna well the New York Times Sienna we don't put a lot of uh credibility in there is it directionally correct yes in terms of Direction but they are off by anywhere from Two and a Half to Four Points and here's why um not many number one they're doing Aggregates and or they're doing individual polls where they get 600 uh likely voters in one poll uh and that's not enough you need to look at several polls together likely polls from good pollsters but right now what's very interesting leading into the debate what is this Rob what what is it just put up are you looking at what Rob just put up uh are is the audience seeing this do they see this live go ahead okay we're going to refer to this in a minute we're gonna yeah just a minute um right now there have not been a lot of new polls released over the last week this has happened three times in the cycle why is that happening whenever there's been a leveling or a lowering for Biden and Harris since July 15th all of a sudden the new polls stopped coming out the reason they start coming out is because they don't match the media narrative the media narrative was going to be Joe has stepped aside look at the enthusiasm from Kamala look at the bounce and the narrative was that there was going to be a bounce and they were waiting for the polls to show a bounce but they didn't they only showed about a 3 to 5% shift then he said well there's got to be more bounce at the convention well they go to the convention it was only about a twoo shift so what we're seeing right now is the polls are actually holding back there should have been about 11 new polls from credible pollsters that came out over the last week that did not nationally Trump is really up by all of our calculations and some others we'll talk about in a second by about two points Two and a Half Point uh the bias is obvious yes exactly the bias is extremely obvious you guys for anybody who follows any type of aggregators 538 is a really common one and it's funny because 538 is actually earned by the parent company ABC Now 538 claimed to be in independent they claim to be impartial from the parent company yet somehow the results always match up to a te right and so what's also very interesting about 538 is they have removed certain pollsters from their aggregate that may lower the overall polling average so the example that I want to give you guys for anyone who follows our show the decision we always reference the rosmon polls why because they've shown to be accurate they've shown to be ACC during the primaries when you look back on historical data which uh Rob we can go ahead and bring up this slide now you can see that the Russon by comparison to ABC are actually what is that the tell them what this is this is the 2020 election and how far were the polls off Pat at the end of the election when count was 6.54 off yeah Quinn was dead last LA Times third from last wow and then you see ABC's Washington Post in purple where's the 538 where's the where's the Sienna poll well 538 is now the ABC News poll and now you go up to the top there's rasmon in June of this year rasmon was evicted from the 538 aggregate poll but look how look where rasmon was why did that happen uh they claim that they don't like their sampling and they don't like they're normalizing okay so can you show can you do me a favor because we have we have the debate starting in 15 minutes can can you tell me what rasmason is reporting against the Sienna pole I want to see how the rasmason compares to the Sienna pole we can do that right now Rob if you want P that up go for because many people claim that Ras Muson is pro conservative but they've been accurate in the past let's take a look at the electoral map and we're going to tell you where we are right now Pat and this is coming from we at the map yep there we go this is from this is from on point politics and this is matching up with rosmon and this is match up with us right now we believe we believe there's a 72% chance that Trump will be elected based on tonight going into the debate these yes and Pat this organization is in lock step with rasmon and they have normalized out what's called the bias here's the bias let's say you and I pad are doing a poll we get a thousand likely voters we should have 50 Democrat 50 Republicans and then insert 5 to seven Independents that's five I mean five to seven for a independent candidate so normally you don't get that normally you're going to get about 35 people that say they're independent so the point is you balance it out properly there have been polls that have been going out like quinnipiack you see what I mean Pat so then they come out and say hey kamla Harris is up by two points well if you normalize out D6 six% on two you end up getting uh six and two is 3.2 the way it comes out so it's actually half a point or a point for Trump so whenever you see polls that say kamla Harris neck and neck in National poll that usually means Trump's ahead by one yeah because if she was ahead by one they chase she's leading but that is exactly what we're seeing right now we believe there's a um 72% chance we believe Georgia is almost done and that um uh Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania are are in the Trump column at this time anything can change and that's what this debate is all about but we believe that that is the reality of what we're seeing 100% And it's not just us that are saying this by the way obviously we can see that they were saying that too but rasmason a really big pondent in this space is Mark Mitchell if you guys don't follow him on Twitter you definitely should he has been preaching the exact same thing as us and you know what he's got a nothing but hate for it if you guys have seen his Twitter feed he is being bombarded he has gotten so much hate and so that's the question Pat why are people who are actually using quantitative data to analyze these polls copying so much hate online is it because it doesn't match with the narrative that mainstream media is trying to paint that's my impression well I mean this is good though this is good that this has happening for us to know exactly what happened because last time around when everybody went to sleep and I'm talking 16 everybody me and Tom are on the phone till 3:30 in the morning we're like yeah I mean this is a slam dunk Hillary's winning right it's over with everybody told us it's done don't even think about it all this stuff and then boom Comey comes with what he does what a week before the election and then you're watching everything they said okay Tom is like Pat are you seeing what's going on in New York time you remember that are you seeing what's going on are you seeing what's going on there vo and then all of a sudden boom they announce Trump winner Trum Trump walks on stage like babe uh you're the first lady officially just so you know that I don't know if you guys remember that and then 2020 was a complete opposite the hockey stick we'll see what they're going to do this year I'm going to tell you guys something here on what happened very important couple people to get these endorsement one of the biggest endorsements kamla Harris got that I think people are undermining I don't think people are giv enough credit for the endorsement Kamal Harris got and if you guys are not taking this thing seriously you guys shame on you because Vladimir Putin officially endorsed Harris I mean you guys got to realize forget about Beyonce forget about Taylor Swift forget about any of these guys Putin endorses you are you freak like that's resume right her next book should say I was endorsed by Vladimir Putin right and and also Dick Cheney very honorable like you know a person that we've never made any bad videos about him bad movies about him no movie was ever made called uh uh what's it called was it Vice and wonderful guy no military industrial complex nothing none of that stuff a lot of nobility there and uh uh and look they tried so hard to even get Elton John to bash Trump they couldn't do it Elton John came out and said rocket man he likes it loves it he loves it so Rob do we want to start off why don't we first start off with we have to give you know kamla Harris the credit with Vladimir Putin Rob if you don't mind showing that let's start off with some respect for us go ahead as I said before we had a favorite in coming Mr Biden but he was yanked from the race nevertheless he recommended that all of his supporters back Miss Harris that's what we're going to do first of all and second of alled and it's [Applause] ordained that show you she's doing well you know what's funny is I think he wanted to party with her cuz said come visit me in Ukraine let's get bombed yeah Tom no pun intended Tom's guys every once in a while I sit there and I worry getting a call from YouTube who would it be it's going to end up be in to probably at the end yeah listen Tom made a comment on the podcast today it's just not appropriate here's Elton John go ahead Rob show us Elton John when they asked them trying to Corner him to say something bad about Trump using Rocket Man for uh uh Kim Jun and here's what he said go ahead and play this you're not a supporter of Donald Trump's he loves your music how did it feel when he took the lyrics to Rocket Man and he used it as a nickname for Kim Jong-un and then he gave Kim Jong-un I laughed I thought it was brilliant I just good on you Don I'm the rocket man yeah um Do's always been a fan of mine and he's been to my concerts many many times um so I mean I've always been friendly towards him and I I thank him for his support yeah when he did that I just thought it was hilarious I was maybe for he gave he gave Kim one of your CDs and signed it that was that was in one of the books about him cuz Kim I guess didn't know the song so what's that he gave Kim Jong the signed CD it's he already made his point so anyways Ian it's again very very important obviously you guys know when these types of endorsements are being made with Dick Cheney with Putin you guys have to believe that President Trump is probably shivering right now extremely nervous uh going into the debate he's probably worried what's going to happen uh uh it's it's troubling Vinnie when you think about it when something like that takes place right now when we and by the way President Bush has no plans to endorse a 2024 presidential candidate Rob I think you got a clip of what uh Trump for whatever reason he's always had an issue with the Bush family go ahead and play this clip Rob go ahead all right now you can take it any way you want and it took je it took Jeb Bush if you remember at the beginning of his announcement when he announced for president took him five days he went back it was a mistake it wasn't a mistake took him 5 days before his people told him what to say and he ultimately said it was a mistake the war in Iraq we spent $ trillion dollar thousands of lives we don't even have it Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world obviously it was a mistake so George Bush made a mistake we can make mistakes but that one was a beauty we should have never been in Iraq we have destabilized the Middle East but so you so I'm going to so you still think he should be in peace I think it's my turn you do whatever you want you call it whatever you want I want to tell you they lied they said there were weapons of mass destruction there were none and they knew there were none there were no weapons of mass you can pause it right there rob you know what's funny this whole weapons of mass destruction there's not a bigger name than Dick Cheney yeah and Dick Cheney endorsed kamla Harris y just so you know this I mean that's just how you got to realize like imagine you're going out there and somebody says you know you let's just say you are endorsed by galain Maxwell so imagine somebody says man you know Jalan Maxwell spoke very highly of you Vinnie yeah wow really that's not something you want you don't walk around bragging about that kind of an endorsement by the way don't go spreading rumors that is not a true story we're just it's a joke I know some people but by the way Rob can you pull up the issues that people are looking at right now voters PE research what they're really interested in what what are people looking at with Pew research if you can pull it up the the the the chart that we were all looking at earlier in the back um when uh yeah if you can you know which one I'm talking about you had it up Rob I think you had it up or uh the brand no you had it Brandon had it on his computer okay anyways while that's going on Adam what do you think is going to happen tonight Rob if you can find that that'd be great tonight what do you think's gonna happen tonight well Pat I just left my uh white dudes for Harris meeting it's uh it's been great we uh we were in strategizing we all menrad together it was amazing by the way this is actually not a joke this is trueth that's where he just don't laugh please well I went to Chicago we all got our vasectomies I came back here I got pregnant which was insane y because I didn't I didn't fully believe the dudes get pregnant then I got my abortion thanks KLA it's amazing what's going on in the Democratic party today but that was a driveby at the DNC right yes that's what I was going to ask so uh I wish I were joking that this was actually what was going on in Chicago at the DNC and I wish that they weren't doing the ident identity politics thing but this is unfortunately as we all know uh as a registered independent who used to uh hang out with the Democrats it's actually a shame to see what the Democratic party has turned into legit it it it from MLK days from the JFK days from even RFK where he has right now the not focusing on color focusing on someone's character they're so hyperfocused on gender on sex on SE on race and it's just so laugh to me so here they have the Dei candidate going against this is Trump's seventh time being on the debate stage this is K's haphazardly first so if Trump excuse me excuse me excuse me I'm speaking I'm talking I'm speaking I'm speaking too Pat excuse him excuse crack my neck watching her Trump if if I could say anything just you think she's going to do tonight no she can't I don't know if she get cut off she's going to give the I just want to see one honestly I want to see one there's something about it so here's the issues let's go to this year issue wise when you're looking at Pew research on the debate here's what American people are worried about when it comes down to the economy 93 look at the score 93% of registered voters say which is important to them they put Trump 93 Harris supporter 68 economy meaning what's the most important thing to them Trump supporters number one is economy yeah and and then Trump Harris are like n it's 68 healthc care uh Harris supporters they have the higher score 76 Trump only 55 Supreme Court appointments Harris has 73 Trump only 54 by the way that should be much higher they want FP I know but Trump's listen that for Trump supporters should be hired on 54 foreign policy Trump 70 uh Harris foreign policy 54 you got violent crime look at Democrats they're not really too worried about violence uh Trump supporter immigration look at the supporters they're like now who cares about immigration guys look at Trump 82 gun policy very close abortion 67 Dems 35 conservatives racial and ethnic equality uh conservatives are not too worried about it uh left heavily climate change the changing of the climate you got them 62 and conservatives 11 Tom top three issues tonight what do you think is going to be top three issues tonight so the top three issues tonight have to be immigration and the economy and women's rights those are showing up as top three in States take a look at um Arizona Arizona both uh you saw there was a big difference there where Republicans thought that immigration 82% of them thought it was very important only 39% of Democrats in Arizona 78% of both of them thought it was important you want to know why why because both Democrats and Republicans have you know uh undocumented immigrants in the front yard and they don't feel safe and things are happening around them and they're seeing the humanity come across MH so that is why Arizona is doesn't line up on a national level but I think those are the three most important but they vary from state to state in terms of who's going to get the uh touchdowns and field goals in electoral college but the big ones tonight is going to be immigration the economy and women's right I believe kamla Harris will try to make women's rights number one yeah Trump's going to try to make the economy and immigration number one I think you're way off I think Trump's number one uh Focus tonight's gonna be cats and Ducks I think that's what his focus is gonna be I don't know if by way did you guys see did you see the last picture he posted on Instagram this is when you you're about to have your first presidential debate okay with a candidate that's the first one with this one what do Trump put on his Instagram he posts this that's two hours ago folks he puts as if he's on the flight with cats and Ducks coming in anyways all right guys that's that right there is when he earned my vote with the cats hey to people that are watching this we're a minute 45 from this getting started to everyone in Florida that you're down here south Florida I want to give you a quick announcement this Saturday at 12:00 I will be at the for laud Del Barnes & Noble signing signing books of Academy that just came out first fiction book I'll be signing your next five moves and I'll be signing choose your enemies wisely come join us I'm going to be there Vinnie's going to be there Tom's going to be there Adam's going to be there I'll be signing for two hours first come first first serve you buy a book you'll get it signed by me for laudel Barnes & Noble this Saturday at noon put it in your calendar we'll see you there having said that Vinnie final thoughts before we got watches final thought let's let's how do we get here okay it's by God's good grace that Donald Trump didn't get killed that day because if Donald Trump think about it Donald Trump gets shot Joe Biden is still the president there's no comma Joe Biden wins by a landslide cuz who are they going to what who are they going to have Nikki Haley whatever so then uh then guess what they invoked the 25th amendment he steps down and she wins and from everything from 2016 from Russia collusion fake news Obama spying impeachments uh social media taking him off to everything look at what this guy has fought to to get to right here I think if he stays cool collected just stays on point Adam we talked about this to he doesn't get personal whatever stick to what you've done you have a case study of him she has absolutely nothing and Trump's going to win in a landslide period end of end of story yep there you go the angry Pat rot perspective what's going to happen Rob how close are we to this thing going or 30 20 seconds left Amy what do you think uh I think that regardless unless there is some colossal failure on K side the Dems are still going to say that she won but anybody who's rational logical and actually makes their decisions based on on on data on policy they're going to see the truth that we all know going into this thing that Donald Trump is going to crush and he's going to win this debate let's go baby okay it's officially live let's go ahead and uh watch the debate go ahead rob you want to flip race for president upended just weeks ago President Biden withdrawing after his last debate Donald Trump now up against a new opponent the candidate separated by the smallest of margins essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key Battlegrounds including right here in Pennsylvania all still very much in play the ABC News presidential debate starts right now this is an ABC News special the most consequential moment of this campaign kamla Harris together we will chart a new way forward Donald Trump we will soon be a great nation again face to face historic the ABC News presidential debate here now David mure and Lindsay Davis good evening I'm David M and thank you for joining us for tonight's ABC News presidential debate we want to welcome welcome viewers watching on ABC and around the world tonight vice president KLA Harris and president Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president and I'm lindsy Davis tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with election day now less than two months away for vice president kamla Harris this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st of course that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June since then this race has taken on Dynam BR us to the rules of tonight's debate 90 minutes with two commercial breaks no topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns the candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and this is the clock that's what they'll be seeing two minutes for rebuttal and one minute for follow-ups clarifications or responses their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak no pre-written notes allowed there is no audience here tonight in this Hall at the national Constitution Center this is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met president Trump won the coin toss he chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening vice president Harris selected the podium to the right so let's now welcome the to the stage vice president KLA Harris and president Donald Trump this is their first time ever meeting right now by the way no handshake oh she went for it good have fun thank you you didn't rip it off welcome to you both it's wonderful to have you it's an honor to think that's the first time they've actually good evening we are looking forward to to a spirited and thoughtful debate so let's get started I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country vice president Harris you and president Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters are you better off than you were four years ago when it comes to the economy do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago so I was raised as a middle class kid and I I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America I believe in the Ambitions the aspirations the dreams of the American people and that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy because here's the thing we know that we have a a shortage of of homes and housing and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people we know that young families need support to raise their children and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000 which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time so that those young families can afford to buy a crib buy a car seat buy clothes for their children my passion one of them is small businesses I was actually my mother raised my sister in me but there was a woman who helped raise us we call her our second mother she was a small business owner I love our small businesses my plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to Startup small businesses knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy my opponent on the other hand his plan is to do what he has done before uhoh which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations which will result in5 trillion do to America's deficit my opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax which would be a 20% tax on everyday Goods that you rely on to get through the month economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires president Trump question was first of all I have no sales tax that's an incorrect statement she knows that that uh we're doing tariffs on other countries other countries are going to finally after 75 years pay us back for all that we've done for the world and the Tariff will be substantial in some cases I took in billions and billions of dollars as you know from China in fact they never took the Tariff off because it was so much money they can't it would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do they're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on when I had it I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation uh look we've had a terrible economy because inflation has which is really known as a country Buster it breaks up countries we have inflation like very few people have ever seen before probably the worst in our nation's history we were at 21% but that's being generous because many things are 50 60 70 and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago this has been a disaster for people for the middle class but for every class on top of that we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails from mental institutions and insane asylums and they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African-Americans and Hispanics and also unions unions are going to be affected very soon and you see what's happening you see what's happening with towns throughout the United States you look at Springfield Ohio you look at Aurora in Colorado they are taking over the towns they're taking over buildings they're going in violently the these are the people that she and Biden led into our country and they're destroying our country they're dangerous they're at the highest level of criminality and we have to get them out we have to get them out fast I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country I'll do it again and even better we are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate but uh I would like to let vice president Harris respond on the economy here well I would love to let's talk about what Donald Trump left us Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression Donald Trump left us the worst Public Health epidemic in a century Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War and what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess what we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people but I'm going to tell youall in this debate tonight you're going to hear from the same old tired Playbook a bunch of Lies Grievances and name calling what you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous Plan called project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together know we have so much more in common than what separates us and I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans president Trump I'll give you a minute here to respond number one I have nothing to do as you know and as she knows better than anyone I have nothing to do with project 2025 uh that's out there I haven't read it I don't want to read it purposely I'm not going to read it this was a group of people that got together they came up with some ideas I guess some good some bad but it makes no difference I have nothing to do everybody knows I'm an open book everybody knows what I'm going to do cut tax very substantially and create a great economy like I did before we had the greatest economy we got hit with a pandemic and the pandemic was not since 1917 where 100 million people died has there been anything like it we did a phenomenal job with the pandemic we handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in nobody's ever seen anything like it we made ventilators for the entire world we got gowns we got masks we did things that nobody thought possible and people give me credit for rebuilding the military they give me credit for a lot of things but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic but the only jobs they got were bounceback jobs these were jobs bounceback and it bounced back and it went to their benefit but I was the one that created them they know it and so does everybody else vice president Harris I'll let you respond so Donald Trump has no plan for you and when you look at his economic plan it's all about tax breaks for the richest people I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy and the best economists in our country if not the world have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America what Goldman saxs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse mine would strengthen the economy what the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit 16 Nobel laurates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession you just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues and I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you that's just a sound bite they gave her that to say look I went to the Wharton School of finance and many of those professors the top professors think my plan is a brilliant plan it's a great plan it's a plan that's going to bring up our our worth our value as a country it's going to make people want to be able to go and work and uh create jobs and create a lot of good solid money for our for our country and just to finish off uh she doesn't have a plan she copied Biden's plan and it's like four sentences like Run Spot Run four sentences that are just oh we'll try and lower taxes she doesn't have a plan take a look at her plan she doesn't have a plan Mr President I do want to drill down on something you both brought up uh the vice president brought up your tariffs you responded and let's drill down on this because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax your proposal calls for tariffs as you pointed out here on Foreign imports across the board you recently said that you might double your plan imposing tariffs up to 20% on Goods coming into this country as you know many economists say that with tariffs that that level costs are then passed on to the consumer vice president Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas food clothing medication arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs they're not going to have higher prices what's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years I charged I was the only president ever China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so we're other countries and you know if she doesn't like them they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs but those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their Administration we are going to take in billions of dollars hundreds of billions of dollars I had no inflation virtually no inflation they had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time people can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else these the people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done they've destroyed the economy and all you have to do is look at a poll the poll say 80 and 85 and even 90% that the Trump economy was great that their economy was terrible vice president Harris I do want to ask for your response and you heard what the president said there because the Biden Administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place so how do you respond well let's be clear that the Trump Administration resulted in a trade deficit one of the highest we ever seen in the history of America he invited trade Wars you want to talk about his deal with China what he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century which means focusing on the details of what that requires focusing on relationships with our allies focusing on investing in american-based technology so that we win the race on AI on Quantum Computing focusing on what we need to do to support America's Workforce so that we don't end up having the on the short end of the stick in terms of workers rights but what Donald Trump did let's talk about this with covid is he actually thanked president XI for what he did during Co look at his tweet thank you president shei exclamation point when we know that she was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of covid President Trump I'll let you response first of all they bought their chips from Taiwan we hardly make chips anymore because of uh philosophies like they have and policies like they have I don't say her because she has no policy everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window she's going to My Philosophy now in fact I was going to send her a Maga hat she's G to My Philosophy if she ever got El she change it and it will be the end of our country she's a Marxist everybody knows she's a Marxist her father's a Marxist professor in economics and he taught her well but when you look at what she's done to our country and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly where it's I believe 21 million people not the 15 that people say and I think it's a lot higher than the 21 that's bigger than New York State pouring in and just look at what they're doing to our country they're criminals many of these people coming in are criminals and that's bad for our economy too you know you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later well bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy they have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country president Trump thank you Lindsay I want to turn to the issue of abortion president Trump you've often touted that you were able to kill roie Wade last year you said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history then last month you said that your Administration would be great for women and their Reproductive Rights in your home state of Florida you surprised many uh with regard to your six- we abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short and you said quote I'm going to be voting we need more than 6 weeks but then the very next day you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six we ban vice president Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of of abortion because you've changed your position so many times therefore why should they trust you well the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is as you know the vote is they have abortion in the ninth month they even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia the previous governor of West Virginia Virginia not the current governor is doing an excellent job but the governor before Oh in other words we'll execute the baby and that's why I did that because that predominates because they're radical the Democrats are radical in that and her vice presidential pick which I think is a horrible pick by the way for our country because he is really out of it but her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine he also says execution after birth it's execution no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay and that's not okay with me hence the vote but what I did is something for 52 years they've been trying to get roie wade into the states and through the uh genius and and heart and strength of six Supreme Court Justices we were able to do that now I believe in the exceptions for rap incest and life of the mother I believe strongly in it Ronald Reagan did also 85% of Republicans do exceptions very important but we were able to get it and now states are voting on it and for the first time you're going to see look this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years every legal scholar every Democrat every Republican liberal conservative they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote and that's what happened happened now Ohio the vote was somewhat Liberal Kansas the vote was somewhat liberal much more liberal than people would have thought but each individual state is voting it's the vote of the people now it's not tied up in the federal government I did a great service in doing it it took courage to do it and the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it and I give tremendous credit to those six justices there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born madam president want to get your response to president Trump well as I said you're going to he a bunch of lies and that's not actually a surprising fact let's understand how we got here Donald Trump hand selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roie Wade and they did exactly as he intended and now in over 20 states there are Trump abortion bans which make it criminal for ad doctor or nurse to provide Health Care in one state it provides prison for life Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest which understand what that means a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next that is immoral and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body I have talked with women around our country you want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage being denied care in an emergency room because the healthc care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot she didn't want that her husband didn't want that a 12 a 13-year-old Survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term they don't want that and I pledge to you when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of roie Wade as president of the United States I will proudly sign it into law but understand if Donald Trump were to be reelected he will sign a National Abortion ban understand in his project 2025 there would be a National Abortion a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies your miscarriages I think the American people believe moderator freedoms in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government thank you vice president Harris well there she goes again it's a lie I'm not signing a ban and there's no reason to sign a ban because we've gotten what everybody wanted Democrats Republicans and everybody else and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states and the states are voting and it may take a little time but for 52 years this issue has torn our country apart and they've wanted it back in the States and I did something that nobody thought was possible the states are now voting what she says is an absolute lie and as far as the abortion B no I'm not in favor of abortion B but it doesn't matter because this issue has has now been taken over by the states would you veto a National Abortion ban if it well I won't have to because again two things number one she said she'll go back to Congress she'll never get the vote there impossible for her to get the vote especially now with the 5050 and essentially 50/50 in both Senate and the house she's not going to get the vote she can't get the vote she won't even come close to it so it's just talk you know what it reminds me of when they said they're going to get student loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe the student loans and then her I I think probably her boss if you call him a boss he spends all his time on the beach look her boss went out and said we'll do it again we'll do it a different way and he went out got rejected Again by the Supreme Court so all these students got taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans they didn't get it for free but they were saying it's the same way that they talked about that that they talk about abortion but if I could just get a yes or no because your running mate J JD Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk well I didn't discuss it with JD in all fairness uh JD and I I don't mind if he has a certain view but I think he was speaking for me but I really didn't look we don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it just like she couldn't get student loans they couldn't get student loans they didn't even come close to getting student loans they taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans they can never get this approved so it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress wonderful let's go to Congress do it but the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government and we did something that everybody said couldn't be done and now you have a vote of the people on abortion vice president Harris want to give you your time to respond but I do want to ask would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion I absolutely support reinstating the protections of roie Wade and as you rightly mentioned nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and an an asking for an abortion that is not happening it's insulting to the women of America and understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans couples who pray and and and and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments what is happening in our country working people working women who are working one or two jobs who can barely afford child care as it is have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the health care she needs barely can afford to do it and what you are putting her through is uncontable and the people of America have not the majority of Americans believe in a woman right to make decisions about her own body and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot in red and blue States both the people of America have voted for Freedom vice president excuse me I have to respond another lie it's another lie I have been a leader on IVF which which is fertilization the IVF I have been a leader in fact when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature 2 Days Later voted it in I've been a leader on it they know that and everybody else knows it I have been a leader on fertilization IVF and the other thing they you should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month ninth month seventh month come on okay would you do that why don't you ask her that question why don't you the under you could do abortions in the seventh month the eth month the nth month and probably after birth just look at the governor former governor of Virginia the governor of Virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby president Trump thank you we're going to turn now to immigration and border security we know it's isue that's important to Republicans Democrats voters across the board uh in this country vice president Harris you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America we know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden Administration this past June President Biden imposed tough new Asylum restrictions we know the numbers since then have dropped significantly but my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act and would you have done anything differently from president by numbness so I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns drugs and human beings and let me say that the United States Congress including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate came up with a border security bill which I supported and that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents On the Border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job it would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentol coming into the United States I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by The Surge of fentol in our country that bill bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns drugs and human beings but you know what happened to that bill Donald Trump got on the phone called up some folks in Congress and said kill the bill and you know why because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and understand this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in Solutions who actually addresses the problems at hand but what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and I'll tell you something he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight even when it's not the subject that is being raised and I'm going to actually do something really unusual and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch you will see during the course of his R he talks about fictional characters like he will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom and I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you you will not hear him talk about your needs your dreams and your and your Des to and I'll tell you I to a president who actually put that I will vice president Harris thank you president Trump on that point I want to get your response resp so why did you try to kill that bill and successfully so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers On the Border first let me respond this to the rallies she said people start leaving people don't go to her rallies there's no reason to go and the people them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light so she can't talk about that people don't leave my rallies we have the biggest rallies the most incredible rallies in the history of politics that's because oh this is ABC by the way it's not us happening nationally Rob just failing nation and it happened three and a half years ago and what what's going on here you're going to end up in World War II just to go into another subject what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States and a lot of towns don't want to talk not going to be Aurora or Springfield a lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it in Springfield there eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there and this is what's happening in our country and it's a shame as far as rallies are concerned as far as the reason they go is they like what I say they want to bring our country back they want to make America great again it's very simple phrase make America great again she's destroying this country and if she becomes president this country doesn't have a chance of success not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids yes I just want to clarify here you bring up Springfield Ohio and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there uh he told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed injured or abused by individuals within the Immigrant Community all let me just say here this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food so maybe he said that and maybe a good thing to say for a city manager I'm not taking this from dog was eaten by the people that went there again the Springfield City manager says there's no evidence of that vice president I'll let you respond the rest of what you've heard you talk about extreme oh God you know I this is I think one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush Mitt Romney and John McCain including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney and if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is if he didn't make it clear already just ask people who have worked with him his former Chief of Staff a fourstar general has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States his former National Security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit his former Secretary of Defense has said the nation the Republic would never survive another Trump term and when we listen to this kind of rhetoric when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed I think the choice is clear in this election President Trump I'll give you a quick minute to respond here uh thank you because when I hear that see I'm a different kind of a person I fired most of those people not so graciously they did bad things or a bad job I fired them they never fired one person they didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who's who's were just killed viciously and violently killed and I got to know the parents and the family they didn't fire they should have fired all those generals all those top people because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen so when somebody does a bad job I fire him and you take a guy like esper he was no good I fired him so he writes a book another one writes a book because with me they can write books with nobody else can they but they have done such a poor job and they never fire anybody look at the economy look how look at the inflation they didn't fire any of their economists they have the same people that's a good way not to have books written about you but just to finish I got more votes than any Republican in history by by far in fact I got more votes than any president sitting president in history by far let me continue on immigration it was what you wanted to talk about earlier so let's get back to your deportation uh uh proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well president Trump you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country you say you would use the National Guard you say if things get out of control you'd have no problem using the US military you also said you would use local police uh how would you uh Deport 11 million undocumented immigrants I know you you believe that number is much higher take us through this what does this look like will authorities be going door too in this country yeah it is much higher because of them they allowed criminals many many millions of criminals they allowed terrorists they allowed Common Street criminals they allowed people to come in drug dealers to come into our country and they're now in the United States and told by their countries like Venezuela don't ever come back or we're going to kill you do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down you know why because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country and this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow and I think they probably did it because they think they going to get votes but it's not worth it because they're they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done there's never been anything done like this at all they've destroyed the fabric of our country millions of people let in and all over the world crime is down all over the world except here crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made crime in this country is through the roof and we have a new form of crime it's called migrant crime and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible president Trump as you know the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country but Pres I defra they were defrauding statements they they didn't include the worst cities they didn't include the cities with the worst crime it was a fraud just like their number of 88,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud president Trump thank you I'll let you respond vice president well I think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted for National Security crimes economic crimes election interference has been found liable for sexual assault and his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing and let's be clear where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement the former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement 45,000 agents get this on the day after he was arraigned on 34 f counts so let's talk about what is important in this race it is important that we move forward that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people address what we need to do about the housing shortage which I have a plan for address what we must do to support our small businesses address Bringing Down the price of groceries but frankly the American people are exhausted with this same old tired Playbook vice president Harris thank you excuse me every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent and I'm winning most of them and I will win the rest on appeal and you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court I'm winning most of them but those are cases it's called weaponization never happened in this country they weaponized the justice department every one of those cases was involved with the doj from Atlanta and bnie Willis to to the uh Attorney General of New York and the da of New York every one of those cases and then they say oh he was he's a criminal they're the ones that made them go after me by the way Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case and what happened in my documents case they said oh that's the toughest of them all a complete and total Victory two months ago it was thrown out it's weaponization and they used it and and it's never happened in this country they used it to try and win an election fake cases president Trump thank you a really quick response here vice president Harris on this notion of weaponization of the justice department well let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place the United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate I'm quoting terminate the Constitution of the United States that he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies correct someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the white house with no guard rails because certainly we know now the court won't stop him we know JD Vance is not going to stop him it's up to the American people vice president Harris thank you lindsy vice president Harris in your last run for president please got this is the one that weaponized not me she weaponized I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me they talk about democracy I'm a threat to democracy they're the threat to democracy with a fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere we have a lot to get to Lindsay vice president Harris in your last run for president you said you wanted to ban fracking now you don't you wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons now your campaign says you don't you supported decriminalizing border crossings now you're taking a harder line I know you say that your values have not changed so then why have so many of your policy positions changed so my values have not changed and I'm going to discuss every one of the at least every point that you've made but in particular let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania I made that very clear in 2020 I will not ban fracking I have not banned fracking as vice president of United States and in fact I Was the tiebreaking vote on the inflation reduction act which opened new leases for fracking my position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our Reliance on foreign oil we have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognized that we cannot over rely on foreign oil as it relates to my values let me tell you I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hardworking mother who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager the values I bring to the importance of home ownership knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes increase by 3 million homes by the end of my first term my work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather and my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable my work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long standing work that I have done protecting seniors from scams my values have not changed and what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name calling the true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down it's in lifting people up I am intend to be that president president Trump your well first of all I wasn't given $400 million I wish I was my father was a Brooklyn Builder Brooklyn Queens and a great father and I learned a lot from them but I was given a fraction of that a tiny fraction and I've built it into many many billions of dollars many many billions and when people see it they are even surprised so we don't have to talk about that fracking she's been against it for 12 years uh defund the police she's been against that forever she gave all that stuff up very wrongly very horribly and everybody's laughing at it okay they're all laughing at it she gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like she was big on defund the police in Minnesota she went out wait a minute I'm talking now if you don't mind please does that sound familiar she went out she went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned down Minneapolis she went out and raised money to get them out of jail she did things that nobody would ever think of now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison this is a radical left liberal that would do this she wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania if she won the election fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one just to finish one thing so important in my opin so I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before they took when they took over they got rid of it started getting rid of it and the prices were going up the roof they immediately let these guys go to where they were I would have been five times four times five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago they got it up to where I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were were quadruple Ling and doubling you saw what happened to gasoline so they said let's go back to Trump but if she won the election the day after that election they'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead fossil fuel will be dead we'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out you ever see a solar plant by the way I'm a big fan of solar but they take 4500 Acres of desert soil are not good things for the environment thank you Lindsay thank you we have an election in just 56 days and I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power which of course we all know is a Cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president uh in a moment of Crisis uh Mr President on January 6th you told your supporters to March to the capital you said you would be right there with them the country and the world saw what played out of the capital that day the officers coming under attack AIDS in the west wings say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office you did send out tweets but it was more than two hours before before you sent out that video message uh telling your supporters to go home is there anything you regret about what you did on that day you just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically I said during my speech not later on peacefully and patriotically and nobody on the other side was killed Ashley babbett was shot by an outof control police officer that should have never ever shot her it's a disgrace but we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly I ask what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in she was the Bazar remember that yes she was the Bazar she doesn't want to be called the Bazar because she's embarrassed by the border fact she said at the beginning oh I'm surprised you're not talking about the Border yet that's because she knows what a bad job they've done what about those people what's when are they going to be prosecuted when are these people from countries all over the world not just South America they're coming in from all over the world David all over the world and crime rates are down all over the world because of it one of those David one of those people going to be prosecuted one of the people that burn down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted or in Seattle they went into Seattle they took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle when are those people going to be prosecuted but let me just ask you you might ask her that question you were the president you were watching it unfold on television it's a very simple question as we move for forward toward another election is there anything you regret about what you did on that day yes or I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech I showed up for a speech I said I think it's going to be big I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington DC and the mayor put it back in writing as you know I said you know this is going to be a very big Rally or whatever you want to call it and again it wasn't done by me it was done by others I said I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers they rejected me Nancy Pelosi rejected me it was just two weeks ago her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened they want to get rid of that tape it would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs I wasn't responsible for security Nancy Pelosi was responsible she didn't do her job the question was about US president not about former speaker Pelosi but I do want vice president Harris to respond here I was at the capital on January 6th I was the vice president elect I was also an acting Senator I was there and on that day the president of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's capital to desecrate our nation's capital on that day 140 law enforcement officers were injured and some died no they didn't and understand liar the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason but this is not an isolated situation let's remember Charlottesville where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches oh they know that she's about to lie so they're pausing it good come on this is going on on ABC this is ABC proud boys a the president said the former president said stand back and stand by so for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was I say we don't have to go back let's not go back we're not going back it's time to turn the page and if that was a bridge too far for you well there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country to stand stand for our democracy to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome and be clear on that point Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath oh God if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking let's turn the page on this let's not go back let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past let me just follow up here it was a different term and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business that was where bloodbath was also on Charlottesville that story has been as you would say debunked Laura Ingram Sean Hannity Jess all of these people they covered it if they go an extra sentence they will see it was perfect it was debunked in almost every newspaper but they still bring it up just like they bring 2025 up they bring all of this stuff up I ask you this you talk about the capital why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border how come she's not doing anything and I'll tell you what I would do and I would be very proud to do it I would say we would both leave this debate right now I'd like to see her go down to Washington DC during this debate because we're wasting a lot of time go down to because she's been so bad it's so ridiculous go down to Washington DC and let her sign a bill to close up the Border because they have the right to do it they don't need bills they have the right to do it the president of the United States you'll get them out of bed you'll wake them up before in the afternoon you say come on come on down to the office let's sign a bill If he if he signs a bill that the border is closed all he has to do is say it to the border patrol who are phenomenal if they do that the border is closed those people are killing many people unlike j6 we talked immigration here tonight I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you because it really brings us uh this into Focus Truth uh in these times that we're living in uh Mr President for three and a half years after uh you lost the 2020 election you repeatedly uh falsely claim that you won many times saying you won in a landslide in the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate uh you have said quote you lost by a whisker that you quote didn't quite make it that you came up a little bit short are you now ack knowledging that you lost in 2020 I don't acknowledge it at all I said that sarcastically you know that it was said oh we lost by a whisker that was said sarcastically look there's so much proof all you have to do is look at it and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval I got almost 75 million votes the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten I was told if I got 63 which was what I come on her face is so funny how is this happening and we have to have good elections our elections are bad and a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in they're trying to get them to vote they can't even speak English they don't even know what country they're in practically and these people are trying to get them to vote and that's why they're allowing them to come into our country I did watch all of these pieces of video I I didn't detect the sarcasm lost by whisker we didn't quite make it and we should just point out here as claric and you know this you and your allies 60 cases in front of many judges many of them at and said have standing that's the other thing have standing a technicality can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing the president of the United States doesn't have standing that's how we lost if you look at the facts and I'd love to have you you'll do a special on it I'll show you Georgia and I'll show you Wisconsin and I'll show you Pennsylvania and I'll we have so many facts and statistics but you know what that doesn't matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now that's old news and the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in Decline and they have put it into decline we have a nation that is dying David Mr President thank you uh vice president Harris you heard the president there tonight he said he didn't say that that he lost by whisker so he still uh believes uh he did not lose the election uh that was won by President Biden uh and yourself but I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days this was a post from uh president Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away he said when I win those people who cheated and then he lists donors voters election officials he says we'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law which will include long-term prison sentences one of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us we won't let him suppress the vote is that what you believe he's trying to do here Donald Trump was fired by 881 million people so let's be clear about that and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that but we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts as he did in the past to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election and I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president the United States and world leaders are laughing laugh in at Donald Trump sure I have talked with military leaders some of whom worked with you and they say you're a disgrace and when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament or or the ability to not be confused about fact that's deeply troubling and the American people deserve better I'll give you one minute to respond Mr President let me just tell you about world leaders Victor Orban one of the most respected men they call him a strong man he's he's a tough person smart prime minister of Hungary they said why is the whole world blowing up three years ago it wasn't why is it blowing up he said because you need Trump back as president president yes they were afraid of him China was afraid and I don't like to use the word afraid but I'm just quoting him China was afraid of him North Korea was afraid of him look at what's going on with North Korea by the way he said Russia was afraid of him I ended the nordstream 2 Pipeline and Biden put it back on day one but he ended the XL Pipeline the XL pipeline in our country he ended that but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany the biggest pipeline in the world look Victor Orban said it he said the most respected most feared person is Donald Trump we had no problems when Trump was president but when this weak pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago that if he weren't in that debate he'd be running on set of H you got no votes he got 14 million votes what you did you talk about a threat to democracy he got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office and you know what I'll give you a little secret he hates her he he got 14 million votes they threw him out she got zero votes and when she ran she was the first one to leave because she failed and now she's running I don't understand it but I'm okay with it because your time is up I think we're going to do very well we've got a lot more to get turning now to the Israel Hamas War and the hostages who are still being held Americans among them vice president Harris in December you said quote Israel has a right to defend itself but you added quote it matters how saying International humanitarian law must be respected Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians you said that nine months ago now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead nearly 100 hostages remain just last week prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate how would you do it well let's understand how we got here on October 7 Hamas a terrorist organization slaughtered 12200 Israelis many of them young people who were simply attending a concert women were horribly raped and so absolutely I said then I say now Israel has a right to defend itself we would and how it does so matters because it is also true far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed children mothers what we know is that this war must end it must when end immediately and the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out and so we will continue to work around the clock on that work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution and in that solution there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians but the one thing I will assure you always I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself in particular as it rates to as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel but we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve president Trump how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza if I were president it would have never started if I were president Russia would have never ever I know Putin very well he would have never and there was no threat of it either by the way for four years have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you edit up far worse than people understand what's going on over there but when she mentions about Israel all of a sudden she hates Israel she wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech she refused to be there because she was at a sority party of hers she wanted to go to the sority party she hates Israel if she's president I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now and I've been pretty good at predictions and I hope I'm wrong about that one she hates Israel at the same time in her own way she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up Arabs Jewish people Israel Israel will be gone it would have never happened Iran was broke under Donald Trump now Iran has 300 billion dollars because they took off all the sanctions that I had Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different uh spheres of Terror and they are spheres of Terror horrible Terror they had no no money it was a big story and you know it you covered it very well actually they had no money for Terror they were broke now they're a rich nation and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around look at what's happening with the houis and Yemen look at what's going on in the Middle East this would have never happened I will get that settled and fast and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended if I'm president-elect I'll get it done before or even becoming president vice president Harris he says you hate Israel that's absolutely not true I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people he knows that he's trying to again divide and and distract from the reality which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on National Security and foreign policy it is well known that he admires dictators wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself it is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine it is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant it is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un and it is absolutely welln that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear they can manipulate you with flattery and favors and that is why so many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace that is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on National Security including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military vice president Harris thank you they're the ones and she's the one that caused it that's weak on National Security by allowing Every Nation last month for the year 168 different countries sending people into our country their crime weights are way down Putin endorsed her last week yes said I hope she wins and I think he meant it because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible it wouldn't have happened with me the leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent and they are they're grossly incompetent and I just ask one question why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made nordstream 2 the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe because they're weak and they're ineffective and Biden by the way gets paid a lot of money thank you we have a lot of issues to get to we'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the national con institution center right here in Philadelphia by the way I did a poll on Twitter I did a poll on Twitter right before it got started if you can pull up Twitter Rob and you can mute the TV yeah if you can go here's a poll I ran right before it started how many times will ABC moderators interrupt correct Trump tonight to help K I said 012 3 4 to 67 a lot of people commented they said it's going to be zero no one's going to say anything he's he's been interrupted now eight times so far eight times so far Tom how do you think he's doing how do you think she doing uh she's doing better than I thought the she's memorized the um the responses she's doing okay answering questions she's not the word salad I thought she would be um on some of this stuff says but I think Trump is doing a very Noble job making the point and they're TR they are deliberately poking him everything that she's saying like about project 25 and things like this she's deliberately throwing lies at him because the strategy here is to piss him off and to get him really irrationally angry but he's coming back and he's staying within himself and I think his responses have been very very strong far as that and she's just she is repeating lies I went down this and I'm really shocked at the level of lies that have been repeated and I'm not saying this from a partisan point of view I'm just going down here and looking at the things Charlottesville things that have been debunked they're bringing them back up in front of the American people as as this the fact she's gaslighting in the middle of her of her answers trying to piss him off and he's not biting Adam well look let's not get a twist they're they're debating for the most powerful job on Earth and you're going to use every trick every line every talking point that you possibly can um I've been sort of scoring this like a boxing match I have Trump on the different uh topics they went economy tariffs abortion immigration fracking uh January 6 2020 election and Israel Gaza I have Trump up 62 right now of course she's winning on abortion this is all they got y'all they got abortion and if it's a if it's the election comes down to abortion is the number one issue then welcome to the presidency of United States KLA Harris ridiculous anything else it's Trump I mean she's obviously like Tom said she she's had how many weeks to practice and memorize all the Talking Points I wouldn't be shocked that she knew ahead what the hell has been going on he's debating three people right now he's not debating one person he's debating them I hope the people aren't dumb enough but P you know this what she's saying the bloodbath the this the ly the January 6th the people at home they're not factchecking average Americans that are sitting there not like us the awake people they're like wow he said this he said that I still don't think it's enough to to get the average person to flip on Trump I still think he's kicking butt well it's interesting to see that pretty much the entire line of questioning is all favoring comma right but I will give them credit for the one point where they asked her about flip-flopping on some of her policies at least they did that but were you guys satisfied with that response personally I don't feel unburdened by what is been I don't know about the rest of you I'm definitely not feeling unburdened by what is been I think she's doing um you know like Tom said better than most of us expected at least it's not a word salad but when you look into the substance of what's being said Donald Trump is winning by miles miles how do you got it scored right now about you oh no I I'm breaking down my tweet you know every time there's debates I write a long ass tweet that's going to go out yeah I mean I'm I'm I'm watching his highlights her highlights um she did the abortion thing so eloquently she was so good she looked at the camera she looked at him if you guys notice this is where Trump's looking not one time has she gone like this yeah this is how she is the entire time he's like this basic uh one most basic things to be thinking about for those that does anybody get headaches when you hear weird voices who gets headaches I swear to God if we have to listen to that voice for four years of her speaking the way she speaks like she's lecturing you the entire time you know how you have an aunt or somebody you date that's just lecturing you and you're at dinner and in your mind like she's lecturing you're like dude I mean I've been done with you for two minutes I'm just waiting to get the hell out of here have to have a little bit of fun and we are done you want me to listen to this for four years I can't that voice that sound somebody talking like that it's tough but however um Trump is not as agitated as I thought he was going to be I thought he was going to be more when they tried because she poked a lot so we'll see what's going to happen what do we have left Rob 20 minutes 30 minutes is this the end of it where they say what do you like most about Trump and what do you like most about Kamala what from commercial break let's get started let's go ahead and go to It constition Center in Philadelphia Pennsylvania Here Again David mure and lindsy Davis welcome back to this historic ABC News presidential debate tonight we're going to continue here and I want to turn to the war in Ukraine we're now two and a half years uh into this conflict Mr President it has been the position of the Biden Administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin to defend their sovereignty their democracy that it's in America's best interest to do so arguing that if Putin wins he may be embolden to move even further into other countries you have said you would solve this war in 24 hours you said so just before the break tonight how exactly would you do that and I want to ask you a very simple question tonight do you want Ukraine to win this War I want the war to stop I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions it's the millions it's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting with your fake numbers look we're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are they're in for $50 billion less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO yes they paid billions and billions hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore so that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people but you take a look at what's happening we're in for 250 to 275 billion they're into 100 to 150 they should be forced to equalize with that being said I want to get the War settled I know zalinski very well and I know Putin very well I have a good relationship and they respect your president okay they respect me they don't respect Biden how would you respect him why for what reason he hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin hasn't spoken to anybody they don't even try and get it that is a war that's dying to be settled I will get it settled before I even become president if I win when I'm president presid elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one I'll speak to the other I'll get them together that war would have never happened and in fact when I saw Putin after I left unfortunately left because our our country has gone to hell but after I left when I saw him building up soldiers he did it after I left I said oh he must be negotiating it must be a good strong point of negotiation well it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him he had no idea how to stop it and now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse and it could lead to World War II don't kid yourself David we're playing with World War III and we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president we don't even know if he's a president and just to clarify they threw him out of a campaign like a dog we don't even know is he our president but we have a president that doesn't know he's alive your time is up just to clarify in the question do you believe it's in the US best interests for Ukraine win this war yes or no I think it's the US best interest to get this war finished and just get it done negotiate a deal because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed I want to take this to vice president Harris I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment but also as commander-in-chief if elected how would you deal with Vladimir Putin and would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden well first of all it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden you're running against me oh I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up and that's not who we are as Americans let's understand what happened here um I actually met with zalinsky a few days before Russia invaded tried through Force to change territorial boundaries to defy one of the most important International rules and Norms which is the importance of sovereignty and ter territorial integrity and I met with President zansky I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself days later I went to NATO's Eastern flank to Poland and Romania and through the work that I and others did we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense and because of our support because of the air defense the ammunition the artillery the javelins the Abrams tanks that we have provided Ukraine stands as an independent and free country if Donald Trump were President Putin would be sitting in keev right now and understand what that would mean because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military Alliance the world has ever known which is NATO and what we have done to preserve the ability of zalinsky and the ukrainians to fight for their independence otherwise Putin would be sitting in keev with his eyes on the rest of Europe starting with Poland and why don't you tell the 800,000 polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch vice president president Harris thank you we've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight Afghanistan came up in the last hour I I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier and I please I'll I'll give you a minute here Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women but he would have been sitting in Moscow quiet please he would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now but eventually you know he's got a thing that other people don't have he's got nuclear weapons they don't have a talk about that he got nuclear weapons nobody ever thinks about that and eventually uh maybe he'll use them and maybe he hasn't been that threatening but he does have that something we don't even like to talk about nobody likes to talk about it but just so you understand they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started three days later he went in and he started the war because everything they said was weak and stupid they said the wrong things that war should have never started she was the Emissary they sent her in to negotiate with zalinski and Putin and she did and the war started three days later and that's the kind of talent we have with her she's worse than Biden in my opinion I think he's the worst president in the history of our country she goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country but let me tell you something she is a horrible negotiator they sent her in to negotiate as soon as they left Putin did The Invasion president Trump than thank you you did bring up something you said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin vice president Harris have you ever met Vladimir Putin can you clarify tonight yet again I said at the beginning of this debate you're going to hear a bunch of Lies coming from nine times and that is another one when I went to meet with President Zen I've now met with him over five times the reality is it has been about standing as America always question about Putin as a leader upholding International rules and Norms as a leader who shows strength understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies because you adore strong men instead of caring about democracy and that is very much what is at stake here the president of the United States is commanderin-chief and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the for the benefit of personal flattery we've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin I do want to talk about Afghanistan it came up in in the first hour of this debate answer the question I wanted to move on to Afghanistan said Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen he got these countries the 28 countries at the time to pay up he said I've never seen he's the head of NATO he said I've never seen for years we were paying almost all of NATO we were being ripped off by European nations both on trade and on NATO I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before if you don't pay we're not going to protect you otherwise we would have never gotten it he said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done thank you I want to turn to Afghanistan it came up in the first hour of the debate and we witnessed a a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan I do want to ask the vice president uh do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out well I will tell you I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan four presidents said they would and Joe Biden did and as a result America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war what and as of today there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this Century but let's understand how we got to where we are Donald Trump when he was president negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine he calls himself a deal maker even his National Security adviser said it was a weak terrible deal and here's how it went down he bypassed the Afghan government he negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban the negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorist Taliban terrorists released and get this no get this and the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David a place of stored significance for us as Americans a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy where we invite and receive respected world leaders and this former president as president invited them to Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the president of the United States to be commanderin-chief with a level of respect and this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged demeaned members of our military fallen soldiers and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world vice president Harris thank you president Trump your respon to her saying that you began the negotiation tban so like if you take a look at that period of time the Taliban was killing our soldiers a lot of them with snipers and I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing that's the Fighting Force within Afghanistan they don't bother doing that because you know they deal with the wrong people all the time but I got involved and Abdul is the head of the Taliban he is still the head of the Taliban and I told Abdul don't do it anymore you do it anymore you're going to have problems and he said why do you send me a picture of my house I said you're going to have to figure that out Abdul and for 18 months we had nobody killed we did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo was a very good agreement the reason it was good it was we were getting out we would have been out faster than them but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers we wouldn't have left many Americans behind and we wouldn't have left we wouldn't have left $85 billion worth of brand new beautiful military equipment behind and just to finish they blew it the agreement said you have to do this this this this this and they didn't do it they didn't do it the agreement was was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do and these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country and by the way that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are President Trump thank you I want to move on now to race and politics in this country Mr President you recently said a vice president Harris quote I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn and she wants to be known I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent I don't and I don't care I don't care what she is I don't care uh you make a big deal out of something I couldn't care less whatever she wants to be is okay with me but those were your words so I'm ask I don't know I don't know I mean all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out and I'll say that and then I read that she was black and that's okay either one was okay with me that's up to her that's up to her vice president Harris your thoughts on this I think it's I mean honestly I think it's a tragedy that we have um someone who wants to be president who has consistently over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the American people you know I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us and especially by race and let's remember how Donald Trump started he was a a a a land he owned land he owned buildings and he he was investigating because he refused to rent property to black families let's remember this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent the Central Park 5 took out a full page ad calling for their execution this is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States and I think the American people want better than that want better than this want someone who understands as I do I travel our country we see in each other a friend we see in each other she asked a questiones a leader who is Con trying to have Americans Point their fingers at each other she hasn't asked the question 40 minutes ABC probably said something to her she sounds angry or something discour there no way you go 40 minutes ask how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the Ambitions and the dreams the American people knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speak we all have the same dreams and aspirations and Want a President Who invest in those not in hate and division president thank you Lindsay president Trump this is now your third time this is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country there's never been anything like it they're destroying our country and they come up with things like like what she just said going back many many years when a lot of people including May Bloomberg agreed with me on the Central Park 5 they admitted they said they plead guilty and I said well if they pled guilty they'd badly hurt a person killed a person ultimately and if they pled guilty then they plad we not guilty but this is a person that has to stretch back years 40 50 years ago because there's nothing now I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world and I'm going to build it again it's going to be bigger better and stronger but they're destroying our economy they have no idea what a good economy is their oil policies every single policy and remember this she is Biden you know she's trying to get away from Biden I don't know the gentleman shake her head she is Biden losing the worst inflation we've ever had cannot shake her head a horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad stay solid and she can't get away up I want to respond to that that's right resp tsy G response clearly I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump and what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country all right so you are taking one who believes in what is possible one who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses which is why I have a plan let's talk about our plans and then let's compare the plans I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction to pursue their Ambitions their Innovation their ideas their hard work I have a plan $66,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical state of your child's development I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeing in terms of the American dream by offering a help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for firsttime home buyers that's the kind of conversation I believe David that people really want tonight as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name calling let's turn the page vient Harris thank you let's turn to polic let president TR let's turn to policy pleas plan to defund the police she has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun she has a plan to not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else that's what her plan is just Rec I just need former president has said something I'm sorry we're going we're going to move on President Trump this is now your third time running for president you have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act also known as Obamacare you have failed to accomplish that you now say you're going to keep Obamacare quote unless we can do something much better last month you said quote we're working on it so tonight nine years after you first started running do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is Obamacare was lousy Health Care always was it's not very good today and what I said that if we come up with something and we are working on things we're going to do it and we're going to replace it but remember this I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it they wouldn't vote for it they were unanimous they wouldn't vote to change it if they would have done that we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare but the Democrats came up they wouldn't vote for it I had a choice to make when I was President do I save it and make it as good as it can be never going to be great or do I let it rot and I felt I had an obligation even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away I decided and I told my people the top people and they very good people I have a lot of good people in this that Administration we read about the bad ones we had some real bad ones too and so do they they have really bad ones the difference is they don't get rid of them but let me just explain I had a choice to make do I save it and make it as good as it can be or do I let it rot and I saved it I did the right thing but it's still never going to be great and it's too too expensive for people and what we will do is we're looking at different plans if we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare then I would absolutely do it but until then I'd run it as good as it can be run so just so yes or no you still do not have a plan I have concepts of a plan I'm not president right now but if we come up with something I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive and there are Concepts and options we we have to do that and you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future vice president Harris in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government run Health Care System two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option what is your plan today well first of all I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private healthcare options but we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act but I I I'll get to that Lindsay I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made I've made very clear my position on fracking and then this business about taking everyone's guns away Tim Walls and I are both gun owners we're not taking anybody's guns away so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff as it relates to the Affordable Care Act understand let just look at the history to know where people stand when Donald Trump was President 60 times he tried to get rid of the the Affordable Care Act 60 times I was a Senator at the time when I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain who you have disparaged as being you don't like him you said at the time because he got caught he was an American hero the late great John McCain I will never forget that night walked onto the senate floor and said no you don't no you don't no you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act you have no plan and what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions I don't have to tell the people watching tonight you remember what that was like remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma if someone was a breast cancer survivor if a if a grandparent had diabetes and thankfully as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices he never did we did and now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month since I've been Vice President we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year and when I am President we will do that for all people under understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just the privilege of those who can afford it and the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act not get rid of it in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot made a mistake at number one John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years but it wasn't only him it were all of the Democrats that kept it going and you know what we can do much better than Obamacare much less money but she won't improve private insurance for people private medical insurance that's another thing she doesn't want to get people are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private she wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait 6 months for an operation that you need immediately president Trump thank you we have another issue that we'd like to get too that's important for a number of Americans in particular younger voters and that's climate change president Trump with regard to the environment you say that we have to have clean air and clean water vice president Harris you call climate change an existential threat the question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change and vice president Harris we'll start with you one minute for you each well the former president had said the climate change is a hoax and what we know is that it is very real you ask anyone who Liv lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences who now is either being denied home insurance or it's being jacked up you ask anybody who has been um the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home having nowhere to go we know that we can actually deal with this issue the young people of America care deeply about this issue and I am proud that as vice president over the last four years we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to Historic levels we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been Vice President we have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs he lost manufacturing jobs and I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Shan feain who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American made products American automobiles it includes growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up Auto plants not closing them like happened under Donald Trump vice president Harris thank you that didn't happen to Donald Trump let me just tell you they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month it's going they're all leaving uh they're building big Auto plants in Mexico in many cases owned by China they're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people what they have given to China is unbelievable but we're not going to let that we'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place what they've done to business and Manufacturing in this country is horrible we have nothing because they they refuse you know Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars he's afraid to do it between him and his son they get all this money from Ukraine they get all this money from all of these different countries and then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one that one Ukraine China why is he why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of moscow's wife why did he get why did she pay him $3.5 million this is a crooked administra and they're selling our country down the tubes president Trump thank you thank you we'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates and historic night this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia back okay this was interesting Tom so what's what's interesting that I've been watching is that um she came in tonight she needed to survive the debate and I think she's done that um she has not collapsed the way you know Joe Biden did uh but she's not convincing she's merely and she's I I feel like I'm being lectured by my ant um is how I feel I do not feel warmth I do not feel an I do not feel leadership uh I feel she's doing the best she can with the tools that she has and the way she was coached for this moment but I'm not feeling leadership saying I trust that leader to go negotiate around the world I don't trust that leader to go negotiate with Congress that's not what I'm feeling and once again he's getting getting poked at him and he is staying short of full Fury and I think he's doing a very good job you know responding and reminding us with the truth of what was happening Vinnie if you had to guess who do you think is would like if you what do you feel that the American people right now are the America it's not that's not how I'm looking at I'm looking at Independence if I'm thinking Independence 7030 they have Trump ahead I don't care about the the American people left or the right mag's not changing and the progressive left's not changing in the independence 7030 they were Trump right now okay and then and then Adam you were talking about the the the women with the abortion uh cuz I mean yeah not not the men they're not no what I'm saying is they not doing just the women but what I'm saying is do you think that that's shifting at all or it's can it are any of those women going to vote for Trump what's what are you asking I'm like from tonight from listening to what where you going abortion I don't know I'm just thinking I just feel like the way that she's performing right now everybody could everybody tomorrow from the bill Mars and every they're going to put her on a pedestal and make her seem like she's the she's the second coming she's going to be the Savior I'm telling you right now that's I'm getting messages right now like oh my God our boy's not doing good oh my God he's failing like I got four messages in a row saying that Trump is losing the debate okay Adam really I'm dead serious I got you got another one there you okay I'm getting text that that Trump is losing I think there's only one time that Trump kind of lost his cool and that's what I was sort of saying can Trump just keep it cool bro you saw with Biden I mean Biden is literally this isn't the same fight though there's two different fighting styles make fights yes this is a different style of a fight different St of fight he the other one you don't have to do anything the one the other one the guy was knocked us like Tyson fight six seconds it was over with this is going she's going ninth round 10th round 11th round it's going there is no knockout yet right he he's not going to knock her out she's doing okay this thing coming back right here uh there was only one time he lost his cool when he's like you're going to take the guns and you're going to all that kind of stuff like that you even were like oh chill out bro uh she's a VI she's a viable opponent but she's not a viable candidate if that makes sense she's not likable she's not that smart she's just doing talking lines she's a Dei candidate respect I get it this is what the Democratic party is at this point and she could beat Trump where I'm at with Trump right now is he is so much more qualified than he was eight years ago I understand why people dude eight years ago it's crazy no way Trump he knows what he's doing at this point he's going to have people around him at this point are there things that she's doing better at namely uh the abortion issue and uh a couple other issues yes she has the Democratic machine behind her and she also has mainstream media behind her how many times has the uh moderators interrupted her it's Trump against the world at this point and you know she's saying that he's a disgrace and he's saying that she's destroying America and the voters in The Independents are going to basically determine what's but it's been Trump against the world since he announced that he was going to go and think about it in 2020 they had a global pandemic that came from China that still has no accountability and everybody had to vote from home and Joe Biden did that overnight leap right now this is what what I'm worried about this election is is the 20 let's say what the number the realistic number 20 million people Pat and you said the step we had the debate with Candace and Chris comoo how many of the states 20 million people are going to be here how many of the states that we have that you don't have to show photo ID or any proof of citizenship 16 16 10 seconds they're coming back 10 seconds I mean they talk about Vibes Joy you know she's the candidate of Joy the vibe I'm getting is disingenuous and we could go through every single point that she made and find where it was disingenuous disingenuous and where she just used word salad to get out of the segment basically Rob bring us back tell us show us is it still in commercials okay Amy if you had any other thoughts keep I mean I took some notes Here on some of the things I thought were extremely disingenous she talks about the fact that Donald Trump left the economy and the job market in a terrible state admitted the fact that it was when the pandemic started and literally nobody could work how is she going to admit that from that very what she thought was an impactful point that she made but we could go through list by list there's so many points here we go let's roll David mure and Lindsey Davis oh yeah welcome back tonight the time has come for closing statements and vice president Harris we begin with you so I think you've heard tonight two very different Visions for our country one that is focused on the future and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward but we're not going back and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us and we can chart a new way forward and a vision of that includes having a plan understanding the aspirations the dreams the h hopes the ambition of the American people which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy investing in small businesses in new families in what we can do around protecting seniors what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do I'll tell you I started my career as a prosecutor I was a DA I was an attorney general a United States Senator and now Vice President I've only have one client the people and I'll tell you as a prosecutor I never asked a victim or a witness are you a Republican or a Democrat the only thing I ever ask them are you okay and that's the kind of President we need right now someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you the American people vice president Harris thank you president Trump so she just started by saying she's going to do this she's going to do that she's going to do all these wonderful things why hasn't she done it she's been there for three and a half years they've had three and A2 years to fix the Border they've had three and A2 years to create jobs and all the things we talked about why hasn't she done it she should leave right now go down to that beautiful white house go to the capital get everyone together and do the things you want to do but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in you believe in things like we're not going to Frack we're not going to take fossil fuel we're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong whether you like it or not Germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants we're not ready for it we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad Vision but I just ask one simple question why didn't she do it we're a failing Nation We're a nation that's in serious decline we're being laughed at all over the world all over the world they're laugh I know the leaders very well they're coming to see me they call me we're laughed at all over the world they don't understand what happened to us as a nation we're not a leader we don't have any idea what's going on we have wars going on in the Middle East we have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine we're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons the power of Weaponry I rebuilt our entire military she gave a lot of it away to the Taliban she gave it to Afghanistan what these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country the worst president the worst vice president in the history of our country president Trump thank you and that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the national Constitution Center I'm Lindsay Davis and I'm David M thank you for watching here in the US and all over the world and from all of us here at ABC News good night done okay all right uh now that it's done Tom go give your full analysis on what you got so my full depth analysis goes like this um she was very well coached uh I don't think we've seen her this way um but I don't think the Independence really saw something in her tonight uh the independent is what's here this isn't about the 43 or what we look at it this isn't about the the the the 44 and the 45 that are locked in it's not about that this is about the Kennedy voters that have not made up their mind yet yet this is about the independent voters that are in the middle and I don't think the independent voters are going to be swayed by what they saw if they if they look at it objectively she had a lot of emotion going I think she scored well on the abortion question uh she spent more of her time I think uh being defensive in her answers the way she went um and I think they got him irritated but he didn't go over the cliff and I think overall you know you know I score this thing really close I score it probably you know 6535 like 1/3 23 is probably is probably how I end up that's really close no I no I'm said that's closer than I thought it was going to be W but I mean I I see so you thought it was going to be a blowout your your initial thoughts was this was going to be a blowout but looking at the Historical performance in the presence of her which is all the data we have and we saw in California quite a bit um where she would really make a speech and when she would it was like this is our Senator you kidding me um that's kind of that's kind of how I yeah but but you know tell me I think a little part of that plays in though because of how bad Joe Biden did anybody that does anything even half is what she did is looking like oh my God they're they're back I'm not going to lie she she she surprised the hell out of me she memor whoever was coaching her it was AO bar yeah yeah exact was freaking the bar was in the seventh ring of hell when it came to B it okay yeah I know yeah it was horrible but I mean like and listen is is this going to sway the vote the vote is not till what November I don't know I think like you said the independence the people in the middle I hope they really really see through all the BS Trump has a proven track record she's done absolutely nothing and I know some people are like well she hasn't been the president no she's sitting right next to the guy she has saying a lot of things if the border is her number one job and she failed I don't trust her to do anything else period hands down so there was a couple different things like sort of nuance in there I have some interesting stats so she mentioned Bernie Sanders they they talked about how she supported the Medicare care for all did you catch when you guys when you she talked about sha feain UAW United Auto Workers anyone catch that this is a full-on socialist who basically came out during the strike and was like yo I straight up don't believe in the concept of billionaires you remember that now here you have Trump who is an avid capitalist and who is a billionaire so there's a fundamental difference like you know something that I've learned being around Pat all this time is like cut through all the Clutter and the and the personality and really go to policy and what's going to happen is the following she's gonna Implement more Marxist Socialist Communist likee policies I'm not saying that she's a communist but she's definitely a collectivist California comifornia we see what's going on there Gavin Nome we see what's going on there Nancy py like we have eyes and here you have Trump whether you like him or not whether he's uh too much to De with or whether he's just exactly what you want he believes in the old adage peace through strength he's a capitalist and he's going to protect small businesses the fact that she of all people is like small businesses yeah nobody's buying that bro who's thinking that she's there for small businesses um I will say again and again and again she crushed it on the abortion thing uh it is a deeply emotional issue gentlemen out there who have women in your life sisters in your life girlfriends in your life do yourself a favor have nice soothing conversations with the women and say really what is the most important to you and make sure it's democracy little you got a little weird no not weird not weird at all if you want you don't have to put Luther to an abortion sound like a script maybe like but Trump did have the funniest line of the debate you ready you have the funniest line I I I have a lot of he has a freeze B writing he goes this one right here wants to have transgender operations to illegal aliens in prison it's true okay it's true so I was like damn like he's hitting illegal aliens immigration prison reform transgender and all inone boom and the government's paying for it take that so I got by the way very good commentary Amy I'll give you the last one I got a few things I want to share with you guys go forward yeah um so I'll just go through a couple of the other notes I had so far was like disingenuous comments so did anybody else notice when she was talking about the Border Bill and talking about how Donald Trump shut that down specifically what bipartisan border bill they call it bipartisan what conservative actually supports x amount of illegal immigrants still crossing the border what conservative supports providing what was it hundreds of millions of dollars in Aid to Ukraine to fund these International Wars as well again completely disingenuous when she said that she brought up comments that Donald Trump made about Armed Forces which number one cannot be substantiated while literally less than a week ago she created an entire media frenzy about his patriotic Arlington visit like this woman is literally so hypocritical it's just absolutely Beyond me I don't understand and then finally she talks about having a plan she talks about having a plan and yet like Adam so clearly stated that plan is inching America in the direction of if not communism definitely socialism okay I come from a country that is it's not socialist but it does have a little bit of a mixed economy and I see the way that that affects the mindset of the people and we do not have a constitution there to protect us from some of the the terrifying things that they're bringing upon the Australian people and other Western countries around the world so thank God for that Constitution that we have but if somebody like camarella Harris does get elected as the president she's going to do everything possible to undermine that and to bring these socialist and communist policies to the United States okay so so I got a very good commentary from all of you guys I got a question for you guys so here let's go through this yep go to 2020 Joe Biden against Trump okay let's take 2020 Joe Biden against Trump that person and he debates to today's trained Kamala in a primary there's nobody else on stage so take every Corey Booker off stage take everybody off stage it's this Kamala versus so there is is no Elizabeth Warren there is no Bernie Sanders it's this Kamala Harris trained the way she was today versus the Joe Biden of 2020 in the primary who wins oh I think that would be a lot closer I think that she would actually be think win in that in that 2020 election so that's the point that's the point well she's been no no wait wait a minute this is a very important uh uh point you just made so so if that Biden mhm who beats Trump goes against this Kamala you're saying this Kamala beats that Biden um based on policy and performance she'd send a chance let me ask you guys a question what do you say let me ask I'm going to ask a question I want you to make noise it's pretty tough to make noise for this but how about we do hands instead of making noise right how many guys say the 2020 Biden beats the 2024 Kam of today's performance raise your hand okay how many guys by the way look at that not a lot of you how many of you say tonight's C performance guys this is kind of like the 2006 Michael Jordan against you understand when you're putting players against players does keris today's Kam haris does she be 2020 Biden put your hands up yeah that's formidable that's the part you have to pay attention to okay with what just happened there now we we don't even to ask the question does today's Kamala beat the Trump Biden debate that just took place whatever uh two months ago the answer going to be what it's not even a question do is be alive so so let me let me share with you a couple thoughts that I have here's what happened here so to me if I can read this tweet uh Tom your you're Rob I don't know if you can get on this screen okay there you go so uh tonight's commentary versus Biden Trump debate tapa Dana Bash interrupted Trump zero times I remember I counted exactly how many times not one time tonight we counted it 11 times it was a three to one debate Kamala did her best to agitate and try to get under Trump skin which by the way she did she did multiple times she brought up project 2025 even though they know and moderator never corrected she claimed he and he was ter terminate Constitution moderator never corrected misusing bloodbath Charlottesville j6 he wants to be a dictator on day one Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment the worst pandemic these are very good lines to get under his skin very effective Trump followed through to do the same thing she said they left the tariffs that Trump left on China for three and a half years meaning you followed my lead she hates Israel he said that even though Dems have 7 1% of Jews are voting for Democrats just so you know it's a very small percentage of Jews voting Republican she doesn't have a plan it's like four sentences okay I was going to send her a Maga hat her father is a Marxist he taught her well these are very good lines her vice president pick abortion in the ninth month her boss Tom can't read it he spends most of his time at the beach these are great lines they didn't fire anyone that's the most important point for me as an executive how the hell do you not fire anybody all the stuff that's happened last four years you've never fired anybody that's like the first thing the person should say that's a good point you have the toughest job you don't want to fire anyone then it continues I'm sorry I'm talking now so he did to her what she does she is Joe Biden you know this is crooked right and then it goes the her highlight of the evening abortion topics I thought she crushed it the economy when you listen to her with the economy honestly you know what it sounded like how many guys don't like math raise your hand if you can't stand math raise your hand if you're not a math person how many people know what happens when a math person is in a math conversation and math comes up and economy coms I you're kind of like check please don't ask me a question bro I swear to God I'm begging you don't I still don't know what a four don't ask me what a 403b is 457 don't ask me unrealized games please let's skip this topic she knew nothing about the economy okay she never maybe I thought for that moment when she claimed she smoked wheat she did in the economy class that's when I realized maybe she did I think was telling the truth then his highlights economy Rob if you can go a little higher his track record with no war when he was president he challenged her to leave the debate stage and go to DC to sign a bill to say the border is closed his downfall eating dogs that part I think his team could have done a better job I I I I thought I was and also getting a little bit agitated at the end and trying to over selfinking is behind showed a little bit of you know little bit of weakness at the end so biggest marketing mistake of the night to me was Kamala when she said I invite you to go to one of Trump's rallies please please leave the rally if people leave the rally early Trump's marketing team is going to use as even Kam Harris wants you to come to the rallies right even though he doesn't need that Trump's marketing team can run with that last observation about the debate kamla kept looking at him he looked straight he was focused when they ask about the moderators when they ask if Kamala has met Putin they never once followed up on the question yeah they never once follow why do you not follow up on the question they followed up on Trump three times on a question why the people want to know by the way what do you think the answer is if she's ever met Putin doubt if the answer was yes what does she say within a first second of course she said I've met who dides she say she met five times five times I've met zalinski five times five meeting zalinski five times doesn't equate meeting Putin one time say yes or no we still don't know the answer to the question that was a bad thing for moderators even though they interrupted Trump consistently they did better than expected I thought David Mir believe it or not I actually like this guy on the way he did it I thought he was good I know couple times when Trump wanted to get the minute and they were trying to digress to a different topic or change to a different topic David gave him the minute I like that he didn't seem like an that's my read I liked him Lindsey Davis asked one of the toughest questions of the night of Kamala uh even though you can tell she does not like Trump I give her a seven for whatever reason it seemed like she was gone for 20 to 30 minutes I don't know if that was an ABC thing or not but that was definitely weird so again Kam sounded like a condescending ant lecturing kids he sounded like an angry Patriot defending his Nation either way I think this was a much better debate performance wise than the Biden Trump for entertainment purposes for fight for all this other stuff I thought it was good but to go back to it to go back to it so somebody may say well pad the question you're asking about will the 2020 Biden beat today's Kamala the answer resounding is what probably yes no no no hang on Adam will the 2020 Biden be today's Kamala no all of you said no no correct okay correct so then the next question is is 2024 cuz cuz it's it's games it's opponent Styles all that stuff right then it's markets and conditions is today's market conditions the same as it was in 2020 meaning at that time everybody was saying man I know what Trump's GNA do but I have no clue what Biden's going to do maybe he's going to be nicer yeah maybe America's going to be more peaceful maybe we're going to have less protesting riots right yeah the difference here that is nothing close to 2020 and the argument of whether Biden or camalo beats who is irrelevant we have four years almost of Biden and Kamala that is the biggest difference and you put four to four it is not even close the four to four of results with a resume you have two people applying for a job okay what are some sign Tom if you're interviewing we interview hundreds of people per year right yep executive people that were hiring for $200,000 Sal salaries $300,000 salaries 100K 50k 80k you got two finalists as candidates resume resume what things do you look for and you're like nah this is not for us what do we look for I just look at Effectiveness and results you have some people's resume said I was part of this team I was part of that team they have other people turning reserves I raised I raised the growth of the company by 6% I raised profit by 15% I found 22 new customers go like that if you put them side by side on the economy you know Biden doesn't want the numbers uh and they have to shade because those are bounceback jobs those were bounceback jobs so if you look Trump on the economy and inflation inflation job creation job creation the foreign policy where the wars were and what they spent and you went down by that you would say can I ask you a different question though Tom this is the strongest guy let me ask you a different question by the way just so everybody knows outside of ABC's YouTube channel being Live tonight we're officially the biggest live in the world tonight on YouTube Just so you guys know that all right just so you guys know that there is hovering between 145,000 lives watching tonight concurrent is what we got right now okay but but by the way let me go to this watch this question to the listeners and the viewers and all of you guys sitting here you ready very simple question you have two employees say we are Goldman Sachs we're about to hire two financial advisers two Bankers both Bankers have been at Morgan Stanley for four years and both Bankers we have very good relationships with a HR and their bosses we look at the resume of one Biden Kamala we look at the resume of the other one Trump all the numbers of performances here that is the difference between voting for a president today versus 2020 you actually have all of their performance of what they've done in four years in their four years of being in office this one has raised let's just say whatever $18 billion this one's ra 2.1 whatever this one has had so many writeups this one's done this this person's done this you can look at every single thing and say yeah based on resumes and what's happened this one may be a little bit more you know cocky about himself and this one may be a little bit more like Elias like when she's coming in because I went to the right schools or whatever you're going to sit there and say yeah based on this we're hiring this guy now that is assuming Independents are going to do their part that is assuming this goes the way it does if Trump kind of plays the poised game I think he has an edge if Trump keeps getting upset and agitated the way they were doing them at the end I think they're going to play up that all over TV all over news and they're going to say oh he lost control he lost his emotions Adam yeah I love the analogy of like if if if Trump Trump didn't have those first four years and Biden have these first four years then we would actually not know I don't think I think it's the first time that two former presidents are running against each other since like Grover Cleveland in 1900 or something like that but it's weird because I'm going to go bill and I the Science Guy here if you guys ever watched that back in the day and talking about the scientific method method you have the control and you have the variable group so Trump was the control he was the guy he was there 2016 to 2020 and what we basically realized in 2020 we're like yeah we we do not want this guy anymore there was a Resolute decision from the country basically saying chaos candidate we don't need this the co thing cemented that in and then enters the variable sleepy Joe Biden and we're like all right let's let's give this 50-year politician a chance maybe he can kind of do something here but what he didn't realize and these are terms that I never even knew of five plus years ago the progressive woke left Dei leftist Marxist intersectional decolonialization war on the west agenda took over and instead of Easter it's happy transgender day of visibility y'all it's like what just happened here and you just every day Americans are sort of waking up so to use the scientific method here you had the control which was Trump and insert this variable and at this point you have to look back and be like yeah I'll just go take those Mean Tweets again and just it's fine I'll take a little chaos it's all good let's strike some fear into some countries that we should probably strike fear into let's maybe make NATO pay a little bit how about we put up that wall that we thought was racist turns out it wasn't really that racist and uh you don't know you know the women will have the babies and the men will kind of do their job and play their part and I think of all people Trump of all people is sort of returning America to traditional Jud judeo-christian values and that is not something you would have thought of trump in 2016 so that's why I'm with him this time uh I mean I'm going to be with him I mean my socks even I don't know if you guys could see my socks have the Trump okay my hair but here but but but here's the thing Pat here here like let's not forget the democrat's plan is so far working okay no matter no matter what anybody wants to say let's think about their plan okay they wheeled out Joe Biden they let him debate and what did you say earlier Pat about the the moderators they were they weren't act treating him like this they let Biden go they let him go and make a fool out of himself cuz they know it was up late they they pushed the debate early Biden was out there he got ruined okay then what do they do they do the little coup they get him out they push Kamala in and now what's what's he going up against he's going up against the woman of color all she's going to do is is use race talk crap bring up his P he doesn't really have anything because every everything that he's going up against he's saying it's you you you it's that wasn't her technically it's it's Joe Biden correct and I think that's what they're going to use but at the end of the day after tonight when's the next polls come out Tom uh the the polls will be Dro well that's a complicated answer but the polls have been taken over the past of the last week um they're not going to want to roll those cuz those those are more moderated it'll probably take a good you'll get snap polls in four days you'll get overnight polls that are week that the the news media will pop up but the real polls will take about eight days and and no more debates pbd that's it I think there's going to be a third debate I thought I thought she didn't she didn't agree to any debates any more debates I but from what you're saying once the polls come out then I would like to see what type of game that they're going to play cuz what if we see the polls and she's this debate proves that the American people have you know have woken up The Independents are going uh towards Trump the the the RFK vote uh Tommy is actually pushing them towards Trump then what I I I I then they're not going to drop the polls Vinnie exactly like we've seen in recent times we're not going to see the proper number of polls come out because again it's not going to align with this narrative that they want to push um a quick ner on what you guys were mentioning it this whole conversation around temperament and Trump's temperament really frustrates me you know that um adage U Mean Tweets world peace I think any of us who are logical and actually look into the policy would be down for that any day but it's so frustrating that we need to cater to people in a way and need to tell Trump to to God his temperament or sense to him in a way just to make him more palatable for something that should be so obvious as soon as somebody does just more than true seconds of research so what I just really hope comes from this is that those independent voters the people who would have gone for uh you know RFK or anybody else I just hope that they look Point by Point into every single question that was asked look at the policies they won't do that do that that's not thing you're living in a logical World we're not we're not in a let me just read you this okay this is from New York Post Trump surges 14 points with Independence Latinos shift 19 points in Trump's favor okay Rob if you want to pull this up Trump's gained momentum among key voters group surging 14 points with Independence uh leading cares 49 to 46 still close and 19 points with latino voters leading Now 51 to 47 reversing his prior deficits in the demographics these gains followed RFK Jr's endorsement of trump and Harris's warning post nomination boost the poll shows a close national race with Harris edging Trump 49 to 48 in a multi-candidate contest however Trump leads on key issues like immigration economy Middle East Harris dominates on abortion favored by voters seeking change voter perception remain divided with Harris leading Trump by 15 points among women and Trump ahead 12 points with men so this is I I don't know I I I think uh here's what's going to happen so she leaves when do you think is the next time she's going to do a town hall or debate or podcast what do you think she's going to do like between now and election day actually how many interviews town halls and podcasts you think she's going to do Tom between now and now and November 5th you think it's Zer I don't think it's zero but what do you think it is I think it's I think it's zero I think they're going to keep running her out to these rallies to what they think it's going to be to hold the wire on her ears I'm so busy I'm so talking to my investors and I'm talking to all these world leaders around the world look she did okay tonight far as they're concerned they don't want to screw that up so why put her in front of the media to get a performance like you've seen in the past why put her out to have a word salad that she's done in the past or say something dumb you're going to run her out at all these rallies and just keep her on the road doing the rallies like this avoiding people she's not going to sit down for an adversary interview if she does it's only because they gain confidence tonight that they could prep her to the point that she can get through it but I I don't think that's the case if I was managing her and I'm thinking like them I would be like hey we got through tonight don't screw this up MH yeah what do you think I think they're going to take that strategy I think they are but I but but here's if you notice the media even on the left lost their cool and their frustration when they're like she doesn't want to talk to anybody New York Times is very so I I don't know I don't know like when she said she said don't go to his rallies you think he's going to she's going to do any rallies between now and the end of the year you think she's going to do any rallies between November 5th is is the strategy just going to be after here go on vacation relax don't show your face do nothing no go to the go to the small rallies and read off the teleprompters but don't sit for a a dynamic adversarial interview with the media yeah I have a and change and change your accent B based on the city here's my question the old if I can go to Fifth Avenue and shoot someone I won't lose a vote what are the chances that Trump could literally do anything to lose someone who's already going to vote for him vote I don't think that there's a very high like how many guys are actually voting for Trump in this room right here okay all right and then how many of you are actually going to raise your hand for comell and get beat up here who's gonna okay all yeah here we go um I don't think Trump's going to lose any mag of votes he has it it's in the bag what's my point uh he's got to take a different strategy for the last 60 days go only talk to women go to uh what's the place that does all the uh the uh abortion places go to plan Parenthood and hug wom like do something drastically Blue Ocean strategy different you already have mag's vote why continue to do the exact same rallies to your actual base you're preaching to the converted go find more people to convert to Trump has his base he's got it go find people who are like yeah I don't know about this guy go talk to them will he do it we'll see well what are the chances that Trump's losing your vote no absolutely not exactly so why does he need to still talk to you go talk to someone else I said this a couple days ago pbd on the unusual suspects ask any anybody that was on the cast that's here about 10 minutes ago Taylor Swift Just endorse kamla Harris that that right there that vote that independent and it's on her Instagram I just send it to Rob Taylor Swift said like many of you I watched the debate tonight by the way canned response by somebody else if you haven't already is a great time to do your research on the issues at hand and the stances that these candidates take on the topics that matter to you the most okay as a voter I make sure to watch and read everything I can about the proposed policies and plans of this country recently I was made aware that the AI of me falsely endorsing Donald Trump uh presidential one was posted on his site I really uh conjured up my fears around Ai and the dangers of spreading misinformation I brought it to the conclusion that I need to be very transparent about my actual plans for this election as a voter the simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth I will be casting my vote for kamla Harris and Tim Walls in 2024 presidential election I'm voting for kamla Harris because she fights for the rights and the causes I believe need a warrior to champion champion them that that now we're talking about that independent those people in the middle how many swifties follow her how how many and think about this earlier finish it keep reading I want to read the whole twe keep going my bad here we go I think she is a steady-handed gifted uh leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in the country if we are led by comma not chaos I was so Harden and impressed by your selection of running way Tim Waltz who has been standing up for lgbtq IVF and a woman's rights to owner on body for decades I've now done my research I've made my choice your research all yours and your choices you make I want to also want to say especially my first time voters uh uh remember that in order to vote you have to be registered I also find it's much easier to vote early I'll link where to register and find early voting dates and info in my story with love Taylor Swift childless cat lady and I told you about the Democrats what a fantastic tactical move we were talking about those middle the people in the middle those girls the swifties she earlier this year didn't she'd say something to go out and register to vote it was earlier this year this is a major ma wait who who do you think wrote that that was planned it was time perfect the moment the debate was finished and now now this is what I'm talking about how how tactical these people are what a gangster gangster move you want to talk about swaying a vote how many followers does she have how many followers hold on 283 million 283 M how many do you think are going to go and register to vote right now because Swifty told them to that well that's what I'm saying guys so they're playing a whole different they're playing a whole different game so yeah that's huge I mean I listen I honestly I would have kept this for or a week out I would have kept us week out right now it's what seven weeks out how many weeks out are we seven weeks out election something like that I would have kept it for a week out two weeks out this is pretty big it doesn't get bigger than like who's going to come into like Kardashian who's going to come in and do something like who you going to get that is g to have this is their number one draft Pi I actually think it was a stupid move to do it on the exact same day that everyone's talking about waste of a card yeah like you want to do that boom when nobody's talking about anything else everyone's talking about the debate no one's talking about this it's a PS it should have been done Friday or Sunday like boom before the weekend after the weekend major story I actually think was a horrible decision so but but but I mean hor decision but at the end of the day she's saying look at the bottom vote early go do it now and register we can say in a week by the time people register and do all that type of stuff I think it's I think it's a perfect time and leave it up to the Democrats to do something like that which is listen they got her she's she's uh she's in the bag it's way too early it is way too early how many adults sad I mean by the way have you seen her concerts her concerts are full of dudes by by the way by the way why don't we do this let's play the game okay hang on let's play that game said how many adults let's go through it 283 how many are in America or followers out of the 283 million followers how many you think is in America no 20% fine let's go you guys want to do 20% I would say 40% 30% let's say 30% let's say 30% that's 880 million out of the 80 million how many are under 18 years old half I don't know guys the you guys want to say half say half that's 40 million of the 40 million above 18 years old how many were already going to vote for Kamala anyways the majority of them yeah okay so of the 40 million that were already going to vote for Kamala give me a percentage it's not all of them what's a percentage 75% so there's 10 million left of the 10 million that we're not going to vote for Kamala how many are just following them because they're a trump fan and their kids follow Taylor Swift so they follow them they like the music how many of the 10 million are Trump guys and there's no way they're going to do anything half I think maybe a little let's say half what's left 5 million of the five million how many can be swayed to actually get up and go to work and vote and do their thing how many of the 5 million I think it's so much less guys I think it's so much up to I think it's like 5% to be honest with you 250,000 and P if I can add this that's the number if you really break down the numbers all the way down to seeing that put a 10% 500,000 okay cool and and the reality is Pat she doesn't need a million or a half a million she needs 10,000 in Georgia what you know 5,000 in Nevada you know there's the by states that even makes it worse that's my point that even makes it worse and less relevant so meaning a big name in a Battleground State saying something is more valuable than a Taylor Swift if you you know what this would have been most important you know what would have been very strategic if her writer if the writer would have said I I'm willing to do you know whatever specifically if you're in the following states I'm doing a concert in Geor atanta Six States just these Six States if they really want to get strategic like look how RFK did it RFK did what kept them on the ballot for 40 States took them off off the ballot for 10 states that's super strategic they wasted this tlor Swift hit this was actually very dumb it's uh very dumb the way they did it they could have done a better job than this I'm curious on how much they paid her that's a lot of you got to pay a lot for one so P how much would it be for Chelsea got paid 20 million by fiser to endorse the vaccine of course these two are beauties Legends they're both Beauties but I mean think about to to I think Kim Kardashian gets I want to say 5 to 10 million per what what what is what kind of money are you getting to promote kamla Harris on the night of the debate right when it's over that money by the way stone look at us Trump melts down lies about migrants eating cats after Harris trolls him this is what they're saying ABC Taylor Swift B so they're they're spinning their the spin job is officially here so's moderat David miror there's there's Trump coverage yeah so so anyways we're going to see but I think this is early I thought this was good for America for them to see exactly where people are at everybody needs to go do their own due diligence Amy you are right people should go do their own research and kind of see what's going on unfort fortunately they're not going to be doing that the closest thing they're going to be doing is the Instagram stories to see exactly what's going on rather than going down through the policy but um at the end of the day um Trump's going to get up and work and do his part between now and then the other side is going to try to play the games we're going to see who's going to come up winning on November 5th I will tell you guys one thing in about a week and a half I may make an announcement that we may have one of the biggest election night parties in the world and I'm just telling you and I'm talking outside of two parties that people will be hosting I think we will be hosting the biggest election night with thousands of people being with us it's contingent one thing being done that one of the biggest something crazy happened today I don't want to say anything we have to wait about seven days to find out I will tell you once it's finalized because that thing needs to be there's this thing called the John Hancock once that thing is finalized and I make the announcement everyone's going to lose their when I tell you what we're doing November fth but stay tuned we're going to have a lot of fun it's going to be it's going to be a lot of fun for us to everybody that joined us to the millions of people that joined us on our live tonight you're amazing uh again Saturday for laudale book signing come on down the Academy Book first fiction book I have ever written in my life just officially is being shipped out today Rob if you can put the link if you support our podcast go place the order read the book it is the one I've written this book 13 and A2 years it's officially out today's the date go support us go to Amazon order the book and I'll be signing books on Saturday 12:00 at Barnes & Noble God bless everybody take care everyone bye-bye bye-bye