JD Vance - Why Have a Government if it's Not Functioning? | SRS #130

Introduction Mr JD Vance this an honor to be with you here in New York City today on September 11th and uh what a somber and uh and uh difficult day for a lot of people and and uh we got a lot to remember yep and we got a lot to be thankful for today well yeah well thanks for having me man it's good to see you it's my pleasure it's my pleasure um so I wanted to talk to you about out a little bit about 9/11 and just get some of your personal stories so sure where were you on September 11th 2001 yeah uh so I was at the school Library Middletown High 9/11 School and I I remember that because we were sort of in our library session and um you know everybody flipped on the TVs in the library because the World Trade Center uh was was under attack and I think we were still in that phase where it's not totally clear whether it actually was an attack or whether it was just an accident uh but I was a junior in high school and just sort of watched the day unfold and obviously we didn't do a lot of school workor that day all of us were just glued to the TV and I remember going home and you know for one reason the memory that really sticks out cuz I lived with my grandmother at the time you know my grandmother raised me is um we were really worried about gas right because we sort of realized this is an attack from the Middle East we didn't know who we didn't know any of the background but I just remember like taking my grandmother's car and then a family member's car and waiting in line for gas because we wanted to like make sure the tanks were filled up in case something crazy happened in the Middle East and there's just a sense of of instability and uncertainty right like we didn't know what was going on we didn't know if that was going to be the last attack and of course you know for people in New York like i' had never been in New York in my entire life but sort of got to know uh the perspective of a lot of people since then and you know even just some of the stories I've heard today like we went to a fire station with President Trump uh after uh the memorial Ceremony this morning at Ground Zero and you know there's this there's this plaque in the fire station of this guy who died on 911 this firefighter who died on 911 and um there's like you know all these little you Trinkets and and sort of uh pieces of of the guy's life there to me memorialize them by and sort of hit me that you know talking to people and seeing some of this stuff that he had a son that was born on September the 13th 2001 so his wife was pregnant with her fourth child he goes in he loses his life and 2 days later she delivers um her her her fourth child and I met that kid today and so his 23rd birthday is in 2 days and I talked with his older brother and his older sister and you know it's it's what what you realize I mean I have three little kids I have a 7-year-old a four-year-old and a 2-year-old is like each of these kids remembers their dad differently right so the the guy who was four when his dad died you know was just kind of phantoms of a memory right remembers a face or a smile he has a couple of memories and then the 8-year-old she's 31 now she was eight when he died she actually sort of really remembers her dad remembers his personality and so forth and you know it it just interesting to hear them talk about their dad because on the one hand the young kid is kind of you know happy that he doesn't remember that day because it was such a terrible day wow but then you've got the 8-year-old daughter who's like yeah it was a terrible day but at least I got to remember that and just man it's wild it's wild what happened to this country it's wild how many brave people how many how many amazing stories of heroism there are on that day something I always do on 911 I just to go on for a little bit but um I I haven't done it yet today is I would re I would always read the story I think it's an Esquire and it's about the falling man photo I know if you remember this photo but it's it's like this amazing photo of this guy he's head first it almost looks like he's like intentionally flying it's just the craziest photograph and it goes through who that guy might be and it just takes you into the perspective of you know your loved ones goes to work down there and cell phones aren't working and you know some people they get a call four hours later from their dad like oh I'm okay and then some people never got that call and you just realize man what what an what a crazy and terrible and tragic day but what what an amazing number of heroic stories that came out of it right it's this amazing duality of terrible tragedy incredible heroism and that's like the story of 911 in this country did n is was the military on the radar at the time before 911 happened for you no not really right so you know I came in some ways from a military family so the grandmother who raised me she had six grandkids um two of my older cousins had enlisted in the Marine Corps and um I think they were both still in the Marine Corps when I was a junior in high school maybe my oldest cousin had gotten out um but I I thought a little bit about it but not really right I sort of assumed that you know they were tougher than I was go to the Marines and and I'd do something else and 9/11 really did change that right you start thinking to yourself like oh if this is our generation's you know greatest Generation moment where we have to go and do what the country requires of us then I don't want to look back in 30 years and say I had an opportunity to serve I was a 17 18y old kid and I didn't answer that call so you know I graduated about a year and a half after 911 graduated from high school en listed the Marine cor my senior year of high school uh we actually invaded Iraq in March of 2003 I enlisted in April of 2003 and so when I had listed just the Assumption was all of us were going to go to Iraq which of course I eventually did go to Iraq but it was just what you did right I mean I there there were two kids on my block McKinley the 300 block of McKinley Street in Middletown Ohio who graduated Middletown High School class of 03 both of us were in the same boot camp platoon in Paris Island South Carolina so it it there was this Spirit of of patriotism that was very real and not you know to get too political about it but I I do want to look back at that moment and think about what you know you had Republicans Democrats Independents everybody kind of United together and I do think in a lot of ways our leadership screwed that moment up because you could have done something amazing with that sense of patriotism we were all on the same team and unfortunately you know 5 10 years later it was like we were all back to fighting each other again but we had something I think very special uh for a couple years after 911 I try not to forget that I'm with you you know it America United was as tragic as the incident was I've never seen the country more united absolutely than those than those months afterwards and um it'll be great to get back dude it was it was I remember talking to my recruiter like he was turning people away like there were so many people who were volunteering in a time of War right we were in Afghanistan we had just invaded Iraq you had so many people volunteering in Middletown Ohio that the recruiter was like picking and choosing between kids who wanted to join the Marine Corps like now we have a massive recruitment shortfall you know just 23 years later you think about what that really means about where the country was psychologically man we were you're right for all the tragedy we were in a very good place as a United Country and it's uh it's heartbreaking in some ways I I think about the people who died on 911 I think about the people who died in the Years sort of the immediate years afterwards and I think in some ways they'd be disappointed with what the country's become because the very patriotism that motivated them to serve I think it's it's it's going away I think a lot of people are disappointed with the country's going yeah of course but it should be you know speaking of 9/11 and the 20 plus year war that it that it triggered yeah and you being here today speaking with the famili speaking with the Sons and Daughters of firefighters who have died police officers that have died yeah we both served we have friends that served I mean what what is it like for you to talk to these people in such an intimate setting knowing that that the Biden Harris Administration is actively funding terrorism yeah and not just them every taxpaying American you're funding them I'm funding them right everybody that's paying us taxes is now funding terrorism y we're sending 8740 to 87 million a week to the Taliban the IG report came out and said that they had accidentally sent $239 million to the Taliban mhm 9111 was a $500,000 budget what are they going to do with 239 million yeah I've been working really hard to bring this toight with uh colleague of mine scottman and Sarah Adams and we made a lot of Headway we brought a petition up to to bring massud in to talk about um how some of our policies are affecting Afghanistan and the fact that we're funding them sure uh that bill has been kind of squashed Bill Hagerty now is spinning something up in the Senate that's a little more aggressive Y what and I know we're we we are pending a potential government shutdown on October 1st would it be a good idea to shut the US government down if we continue to Government shutdown fund terrorism yeah so it's kind of crazy if you think about it right because we're the the Taliban so Al-Qaeda of course was the organization that planned 911 but they had the explicit support the Taliban right it's like you know North Korea and China during the Korean War right these guys are working hand inand they're working in the same territory and the idea that we're now sending hundreds of millions of dollars to the Taliban after they've taken complete control of the country and of course they've got a lot of our military equipment there it's completely insane and you know just on on the mechanics of a government shutdown fight so I've actually I've been in Senate all of two years I've never voted for continuing resolution in part because of this very issue and what when I mean by continuing resolution like you can do two things in the budgetary process right you can basically take what you've done and rubber stamp it for another three six months or a year that's a continuing resolution then there's the traditional Appropriations process where you actually go in and say why the hell are we spending money on that should we spending less money on this thing more money on this thing you actually have the real budgetary process that leaders should do right I don't like the continued resolutions because you do this exact thing right you're rubber stamping more money for organizations like the Taliban Man by the way while we're on that topic rubber stamping more money for the open border cuz you talk to people right and one of the biggest fears with the open border there's a lot but one of the biggest fears of the open border is okay how are all those people getting into our country we know in 9/11 we just had garbage security a lot of them flew in were training in American flight schools we now know that there are thousands of military AED men who have come through that southern border from places like Afghanistan Iran and so forth and so yeah man why why why shouldn't we be trying to force this government shutdown fight to get something out of it that's good for the American people like why have a government if it's not a functioning government and if you have a government that's spending hundreds of millions of dollars funding terrorism and then facilitating those people to come across the American southern border it's totally insane I mean it's just it's it's asine I mean people cannot afford school supplies for their kids it's crazy but sending a billion dollars a year to a terrorist organization yeah atford by the way they killed 13 of our Marines or I guess you know 11 Marines and a couple other service members uh just a year ago actually almost or sorry just three years ago almost exactly three years ago today um like if that can't motivate our leadership to get off their asses and actually say we're done funding the Taliban then what would actually motivated and it's I mean again the way Washington works man is it's it's like a a rubber stamp mentality it's that we did this thing 20 years ago and maybe it made sense when we were trying to like you know convince the Afghans to become more self-sufficient to train their own military so the Taliban wouldn't take over like whatever I'm not going to judge what we did 20 years ago but even if it made sense 20 years ago it sure as hell doesn't make sense today when the people who are control of Afghanistan are the literal Taliban the people who killed our Marines and by the way are actively training terrorists right now but that's what you get when you rubber stamp everything from the past instead of running a functional government where you ask yourself what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in this year not 20 years ago then that's how this stuff ends up happening speaking of Wars I think a lot of Americans are tired of funding all these wars and last night uh on the Ending wars debate stage we saw Trump and Cala kind of bat that back and forth one of his best moments I thought last night Trump had mentioned that he would have this war done before you and him actually take office yeah how exactly would that be negotiated yeah so one thing I'll say about the president Republicans obviously I'm a republican I'm running as the Republican VP nominee we like to give Trump credit justifiably so for being strong I don't think that we give the president enough credit for smart diplomacy it's not just strength it's also intelligence right did both of those things and that's why we had a peaceful world so what Trump was really good at is saying yeah okay this guy's a screw ball this guy's a bad person but sometimes you have to deal with screw balls and bad people right I mean in World War II we allied with Joseph Stalin to beat Adolf Hitler uh we can engage in diplomacy even with very bad guys and because of that I think he was able to keep the world at peace for a very long time I mean look you didn't have the you know Iran and Iranian militias attacking Israel you didn't have you know of course the war in Eastern Europe you didn't have what's going on in Africa you didn't have what's going on potentially in East Asia where the Chinese I think are on the cusp ating Taiwan I hope not but I think it's very possible it's going to happen the next couple of years so you need somebody that first of all people are terrified of right you need to be worried that if Donald Trump says something or KLA Harris God forbid says something that they actually mean it right but you believe that with Donald Trump you don't believe that with KLA Harris right that's deterrence that's oh crap if we screw with these guys they're going to come after us hard but then it's also like sitting down and understanding like Russia wants this war to end Ukraine wants this war to end Europe which by the way has underfunded this war while American taxpayers have been very generous to the ukrainians the Europeans want this war to end because it's jacking up their energy prices so I think what this looks like is Trump sits down he says to the Russians the ukrainians the Europeans you guys need to figure out what does a peaceful settlement look like and what it probably looks like is something like the current line of demarcation between Russia and Ukraine that becomes like a demilitarized zone it's heavily for fortified so the Russians don't invade again Ukraine remains its independent sovereignty Russia gets the guarantee of neutrality from Ukraine it doesn't join NATO it doesn't join you know some of these sort of Allied institutions and I think that's ultimately what this looks like and by the way the Germans and other countries have to fund some Ukrainian reconstruction that is what the deal I think is ultimately going to look something like but I think what what's going to happen is President Trump's going to go in there as the president- elect they're scared of him in Russia they're worried about him in Europe because they know that he actually means what he says and I think he's going to be able to come to a deal very quickly because this is what's insane about this dude is the Russians the ukrainians the Europeans are all saying we can't fight this war forever well why the hell are you fighting it for another day if all of them are trying to find a way to solve it the answer is or at least to get get get get over it right to stop it you're not going to solve the war but you can at least bring the thing to a stop the answer is Joe Biden is asleep at the wheel KLA Harris doesn't know what the hell she's doing and so their policy is throw money at this problem hope the ukrainians are able to achieve a military victory that even the ukrainians are saying we can't achieve Donald Trump's policy is yes to be strong but also to be smart negotiate join me and my special guests for the next behind the scenes experience exclusively available on vigilance Elite patreon the behind the-scenes footage is raw and uncut this is as close to the set as you can possibly get you can expect anything from off-topic conversations Studio tours the final moments before the interview starts and everything in between the behind the-scenes content is constantly evolving and we'll continue to bring you more as we grow you can gain access for just $15 a month exclusively at vigilence Elite patreon I know everybody out there has to be just as frustrated as I am when it comes to the BS and the rhetoric that the mainstream media continuously tries to force feed us and I also know how frustrating it can be to try to find some type of a reliable news source it's getting really hard to find the truth and what's going on in the country and in the world and so one thing we've done here at sha Ryan Show is we are developing our newsletter and the first contributor to the newslet letter that we have is a woman former CIA targeter some of you may know her as Sarah Adams call sign super bad she's made two different appearances here on the Shawn Ryan Show and some of the stuff that she has uncovered and broke on this show is just absolutely mindblowing and so I've asked her if she would contribute to the newsletter and give us a weekly intelligence brief so it's going to be be all things terrorists how terrorists are coming up through the southern border how they're entering the country how they're traveling what these different terrorist organizations throughout the world are up to and here's the best part the newsletter is actually free we're not going to spam you it's about one newsletter a week maybe two if we release two shows the only other thing that's going to be in there besides the Intel brief is if we have a new product or something like that but like I said it's a free CIA intelligence brief sign up links in the description or in the comments we'll see you in the newsletter when it comes to these wars especially Ukraine yeah I mean it gets painted as some type of a humanitarian thing sure I'm not buying the Ukraine and natural gas humanitarian thing I mean if it was humanitarian we'd be in Venezuela right now yeah we'd be in Brazil we'd be we'd be all over yeah what what is we'd be in our communities 25 million illegal aliens yeah good point what what is what is what are we there for man I it's a tough question and I I I think some people have convinced themselves that this is like the great humanitarian mission of of our time and I think that's that's what drives some of it even though I think it's fake and it's wrong I think some people have convinced themselves this is like a war of good versus evil right or Russia evil Ukraine good and once you get yourself in that that fairy tale mindset you can justify a lot of stupid activity and a lot of stupid decisions because you of course we always want to support the good guys uh but maybe the truth is the Russians shouldn't have invaded But the ukrainians have got a lot of corruption problems too right it's a little bit more complicated than that and unfortunately you have no American leader who's willing to actually understand what's really going on over there I mean I think that some people look are going to get rich from that war you talk about you know Black Rock and some of these major financial institutions talking about spend and hundreds of billions dollarss on Ukrainian reconstruction we know the stock prices of Defense contractors have skyrocketed since the Ukraine war started so it's like a complicated mixture right some people are getting rich some people are convinced they're the good guys some people were convinced this is a great humanitarian Mission and it ends up leading to a very stupid place and it's one of the reasons why I just want KLA Harris and Joe Biden to say what the hell are we doing what is the goal what are we trying to accomplish and the fact that you don't have a president or a vice president who can articulate that means we probably shouldn't be there to begin with is there any validity to the point that Crimea sits on a very large natural gas deposit oh I'm sure there's a huge part of that right I mean look Ukraine is not just Crimea but is a very resourcer country right um and it always has been and it's got great agricultural resources it's got great natural gas resources and again a lot of I mean you know this a lot of Wars get fought over natural resources and I guarantee you both the reasons the Russians are interested in part the reasons the the Europeans are interested in part and certainly a lot of American investors it's got a lot to do with money let's just be honest would it be in our best if it is and we're there to to build the infrastructure to get that natural gas into Europe would it be in our best interest to stay there and see Ukraine hold on to Crimea it seems like that would be good for us interest I think that the the problem is there are a lot of risk to us of staying there and trying to encourage the ukrainians to hold on to Crimea right the question is you know how many American lives would it cost to do that and if the answer is more than zero then I'm out right I'm sick of of wasting American lives being the policeman of the world the other thing dude is we got plenty of natural gas resources ourselves right this is one of the things that's so stupid about our Russia policy with the one hand we're saying that we want to save um or we want to prevent the Russians from funding the war machine we want them to get out of Ukraine with the other hand we're shutting down our own energy resources and shutting down the European energy resources well who does that make Rich Russia right so the one hand we're going to sanction Russia with the other hand we're going to get them rich with natural gas and oil resources it just doesn't make LS of sense let's move to Israel yeah the other War that's going on what is our position there man well what our position should be um is that we want Israel to end the war as quickly as as possible we want them to destroy Hamas and we want them to actually build some alliances with the Arab Gulf Nations so that the Saudi Arabians who don't like Iran the UAE which doesn't like Iran and the Israelis which don't like Iran can provide a kind of regional counterbalance right like that's how alliances work right they don't like each other on everything but they don't like Iran but they can't do that peace process the Israelis and the Saudi Arabians can't come together while Israel has Hamas in its backyard right doesn't make sense for Israel doesn't make sense for Saudi Arabia either so what we should be trying to do here is get the war over with destroy Hamas and restart that peace process what our actual policy is man as far as I can tell is on the one hand we say we want to prevent civilian casualties well on the other hand we don't give the Israelis the weapons that allow them to minimize civilian casualties we only give them the weapons that allow them to maximize civilian casualties and we're also telling them we want you to finish the war but you can't process the war in a way that allows you to actually destroy Hamas so we're living in this weird in between world where I think what we're actually doing is we're getting a lot of Palestinians killed we're getting a lot of Israelis killed and we're prolonging Hamas for as long as possible and we're not getting the hostages back it's like the dumbest possible policy imaginable but that is effectively the policy of the United States government right now we blundered into it because again we've got an incompetent like KLA Harris who's calling the shots could you be a little more specific on maybe what a successful conclusion to that war looks like yeah I mean I look I think you have obviously my understanding is right now pre-war I should say you had about 25 Hamas viable fighting battalions now they've got it down to about four and it's a very narrow slice of Gaza where those four battalions are left over now obviously that's some of the hardest fighting right those are the holdouts those are the people who are really going to fight for the death but you've got to destroy all four of those battalions right now there could be a DE like if for example the leader of Hamas just gave up and said all right we'll demilitarize you know maybe he goes and lives in another country maybe he gets arrested but I don't think he's going to do that so I think the Israelis really are going to have to clear out every single last vestage of Hamas that's tough fighting got a lot of people going to get killed obviously a lot of Israelis have already died but I don't know I mean if you look at from their perspective and you my attitude on this is you know I'm pro- Israel but it's their country they can call the shots I want to focus on on the United States of America but if you try to look at this from Israel's perspective like I don't know how they can possibly allow this entity to continue as a viable military right it's like imagine if Al-Qaeda existed in Mexico's City and then 10,000 Americans get killed in Southwest Texas there is no way that we're going to tolerate that kind of threat on our back door you just got to get rid of it and then you can I I think focus on peace and by the way once you destroy Hamas then again I I I I think it restarts the Middle Eastern peace process you know Trump called it the Abraham Accords which is where you get the Arab Nations on board with the Israelis and again why are they on board because they both don't like the Iranians interesting interesting let's talk about how close we are to potential World War III in nuclear warfare way too close how could this go if it doesn't go how could this how could this end up in World War I I a couple of different ways right so I'm sure that Russia has red lines some of which we're not even aware of in Ukraine um you know you get to a situation where is a Russian Red Line crossed they're are nuclear power do they start using tactical nuclear weapons in eastern Ukraine if that happens then probably at least some of the Eastern European countries like Poland have to get involved that balloons into a World War III scenario I think the most likely and the most dangerous scenario is Iran and Israel right now so obviously the Israelis are on high alert they just have this terrorist attack they're dealing with Hamas you know what if in North Israel a bunch of Iranian backed militias start killing thousands of of Israeli civilians okay so the Israelis invade do the Iranians Counterattack and now you have Israel Iran in a regional conflict the Turks probably have to get involved the Saudi Arabians probably have to get involved and then that is the sort of thing that could balloon into World War III and then the final thing man is is you know China wants Taiwan right everything that we have tells us the Chinese want Taiwan America I think has left Taiwan in a really crappy position because we sent all our weapons to Ukraine the Taiwanese I don't know that they could repel a Chinese Invasion right now and so do the Chinese invade Taiwan that leads to some sort of accelerating conflict there so there are basically at least three hotspots in the world right now that each have the potential to become a major worldwide conflict it's really scary and this is one of the reasons why I I say like you don't want an incompetent as president United States right now like you go back I mean look there are some people I disagreed with I mean I disagree with a lot of George W Bush's foreign policies obviously disagreed with a lot of Barack Obama's foreign policies but these were like fundamentally capable human beings right Donald Trump is a capable human being I think more than capable but I'm biased KLA Harris is not a capable human being like do you really want in the midst of a high pressure conflict her negotiating with Xi Jinping about Taiwan or do you want her over there in Moscow or Kiev negotiating with the Russians with Vladimir Putin about the peace settlement in Ukraine this is scary scary stuff and you talk about a person like KLA Harris who can't even answer a simple question without retreating into slogans and talking points what about when the cameras are off and she's in a private room with with world leaders that's scary scary stuff and that's maybe what worries me about more than any of her domestic policies is what happens if the hits the fan I don't think K Harris can handle it why do you think China hasn't made a move on Taiwan yet it seems like every every every Taiwan chess player on the globe has made the move since the Biden and Cala took office and so why hasn't China made their move yet what are they waiting for I think there are a few different explanations and maybe you know all of them are true at least a little bit I think one thing is even in a relatively weakened position it's not an easy military maneuver so maybe the Chinese don't want to kill a lot of people especially their own people maybe that destabilizes them politically that's that's one solution or one possible answer I think another possible answer is look you know XI jingping my understanding and this is all you know guess work we sort of judging with imperfect information but my understanding is that he is not in the strongest position politically right now that 5 years ago or maybe 5 years in the future he'll be in a slightly stronger political position and so maybe it's more likely to happen say not in 2027 uh as opposed to you know so three years from now as opposed to right now the other thing that you hear is maybe that the Chinese don't think they ultimately need it right so maybe we're actually misunderstanding how what their calculus is maybe their attitude is they can control Taiwan from the outside without ever having to invade it and control it from the inside and there's probably some element of truth to all those explanations but I think eventually my guess is they're eventually going to make a real military move on it it's probably going to be sooner rather than later I hope not but we'll see CU right now if they do it we're not in a good position with the leadership we have those are some perspectives I haven't heard before thank you yeah let's move on to the Border sure so the Border we have I hear The border 11 million 15 million 21 million and yeah whatever it's millions and millions and millions of illegal immigrants uh that are calling the US home now that's right we're paying for it you guys have a plan I'd like to dive into how exactly are you going to go after and and remove all of these immigrants yeah yeah so first let me preface that cuz I think you got to stop the bleeding right whenever you got a problem like you know somebody cuts your leg off stop the bleeding and then figure out how you're going to reattach the leg the the stop the bleeding thing that we have to do is reclose the border right reimplement deportations reimplement the remain in Mexico policy I think people don't fully realize that the reason the border is such a nightmare is that somebody will come into the country say that they're seeking Asylum and if you're border patrol you have to let them into the country they can they get a work permit they can you know live in the country for 10 12 15 years and then maybe 10 12 15 years later they get a court date to adjudicate whether their Asylum claim is legitimate but of course most of them don't show up for that court date right so that's that's one of the main reasons why you have an open border the way that Trump solved that is he made all these people wait in Mexico while their Asylum claim was being adjudicated which means a lot of people never came to begin with because they didn't want to go to Mexico they wanted to go to the United States right so you reimplement those policies you get illegal immigration back down much lower you know it's it's well north of 10,000 a day under the last couple years of of Comm Harris's leadership get it much lower and then you figure out what to do with the I think it's probably 25 million illegal aliens who are here right now so the way I think about this and I'm asked by the media all this about this all the time and I always say you know it's like eating a sandwich right you know it's like asking somebody okay how are you going to eat this sandwich it's 10 times as big as your mouth well you take the first bite then you take the second bite then you take the third bite right you do this sequentially and I think that's that's how you have to think about it so you start with the million illegal aliens who are violent criminals who have committed violent crimes in the United States of America and you do everything that you can you round them up you get them out of this country you just have to right those are how do you know who the criminals are CU they most of them have actually committed crimes in in the country okay right so either they're in American jails or they were released I mean comma Harris has released a lot of people who are arrested for committing violent crimes and then some of them go on and commit further violent crimes some of them are just bouncing around they probably are committing crimes but not being caught but you were that's a real law enforcement Focus get the violent criminals out of here and you focus on them and I think there are a few other things you got to do to make it frankly harder for illegal immigrants to take advantage of the country right you got to end the Social Security fraud and the Medicare fraud so that people aren't able to get free benefits free health care uh you what I think we ought to do I actually have a piece of legislation on this in the Senate is you tax remittances right because you think about somebody comes in here they're an illegal alien they're working and they're sending all money back home they're not going to send their money back home if you tax the money that they're sending back home so they'll come they they'll they'll go back to their country of origin and if they want to come maybe they'll apply for a legal pathway but they're not going to come in illegally and I think you also got to make it harder for employers to hire illegal labor right I mean this is one thing that I think you know Republicans we've got to sort of accept is part of the problem is illegal aliens breaking our laws part of the problem is employers are encouraging them to come in and break our laws cuz they'd much rather pay an illegal alien under the table than they than than pay an American worker and so I think you do those things focus on the criminal migrants Deport the people you got to deport make it harder for illegal aliens to work in this country I think you solve a whole whole chunk of the problem how would you I mean we tried to lock the Border up first go around y what's going to change this go around so a couple things I mean first of all like yeah it wasn't perfect when Trump was president but man it was very good like you look at the number of illegal border crossings per day it wasn't zero you're never get it to zero but man it was much closer to zero than it's been pretty much at any time in our country's history uh at least recent history right so you you really can just with some common sense law enforcement approaches get things to maybe a thousand illegal Crossings a day 500 illegal Crossings a day that's 12th right of what Joe Biden has had and K Harris have had so that's a big big Improvement now you got to do some other things too you got to finish the border wall right I think you probably got to empower border patrol to do their job a little bit more one of the problems that Trump had at his first term is that you know there because we hadn't had a real border crisis in a while and because you didn't have until Donald Trump somebody who took border enforcement seriously there was a lot of like litigation and legal cases about well what is the president actually allowed to do because every time he tried to do something new you'd have somebody file a lawsuit and say no no no the president's not allowed to do this right well one of the things that happen is Donald Trump won all those cases but it happened towards the end of his administration so he's going to have law enforcement tools during a second term that he didn't have during his first term and yeah you got to finish construction of the border wall there's a lot of cool technology that you can use you know AI infrared you I've seen some crazy stuff where you know you put a camera in the desert and it's got you know 20 M line of s in either direction and then somebody comes from 8 Mi away and and and the AI can identify like is that a person is it a rabbit is it a fox is it something else uh oh is it a person with a gun or a person you know who's just a little kid like you actually can use technology to identify a legal migrants who are trying to cross the border you just have to empower law enforcement to do that stuff and I think that's what Donald Trump wants to do in fact I know it's what Donald Trump wants to do and again it was quite successful the first term it can be more successful the second goor round very good very good let's talk about government reform yeah so looks like Elon is going to be on the cabinet and be in the charge on the government efficiency um Department that's what you call it yep how do you see how have you Deportation spoken with him about the plan how he's going to do it well I I've spoken you mean with the president or with Elon with Elon okay yeah with Elan so I've spoken with Elon a little bit about it and um you know I I I think that the way that this is in visioned is you set up a you know you set up an organization with very smart people from the private sector and if you few smart people from government and you go in and you say how are we going to fix all the broken inefficiencies and the thing that's complicated about this man is it's going to look much different and say the Department of Defense versus Social Security right like one of the biggest problems in Social Security is fraud you got a lot of the legal aliens I've actually had friends of mine who have had their social security account drawn down and then when when they go to the IRS the IRS says oh yeah an illegal alien use your social security number but we're not allowed to reveal that person's information a person who's using your social security number to defraud you your own government is saying we can't tell you who that is right you serious I'm dead serious I mean crazy stuff is happening out there in this country um so you got to fix that problem now that's a Social Security fraud problem now at the Department of Defense right we've got a big it's not you know so much a fraud problem as it is a procurement problem so you you ask yourself like how do we end up paying six times what the Chinese are paying for ships or how how how why are we paying five times what the Russians are paying for artillery shells you need somebody to go in there and actually fix that procurement process and the honest answer man and I I hate to say because a lot of these companies do do important work like we want our troops to have the best weapons there are a lot of companies that are getting really rich because Uncle Sam is run by idiots right and so you go in you fix that procurement process you do less you know less procurement based purely on what something costs and more procurement that tries to you know Force companies to be a little bit more efficient so there's a lot that you can do there and you just got to go Department by department and what what makes it complicated is again each department is a little bit different from the next one and I think you just got to for four years go one right after the other and make this country's government more efficient I mean let me give you a statistic just absolutely insane so 2019 this government spent about $4.4 trillion right that's a lot of money in 2024 our government will probably spend close to $7 trillion okay so 4.4 to 7 $2.6 trillion of additional spending a little bit of that is social security because you have an aging population some of that's fraud right illegal aliens committing fraud a little bit of that is Medicare because again you've got an aging population but of that $2.6 trillion that were spent that's just in four years dude four years $2.6 trillion probably $2.4 trillion of it has nothing to do with Social Security nothing to do with Medicare there's a lot of waste there's a lot of Fraud and there's a lot that we can fix in that 2.4 trillion dollar save people a lot of money allow the private sector to grow instead of destroying the private sector and also hopefully give people some of their hard-earned money back because if their government's wasting trillions of dollars who's paying for that you are and I am what agencies or Departments of government would you start with yeah that's a good question I haven't thought about that actually um I mean I I think you start with you got to start with fraud in what you might call the the the welfare system okay so Section 8 housing okay and I I Believe by the way that you know if somebody's down their luck they lose their job you don't want kids being homeless okay but that program should exist number one for people who are actually down on their luck and number two for people who are legally in this country to begin with so a lot of Section 8 money goes to illegal immigrants either through fraud or because even though Section 8 housing is not supposed to go to an illegal alien if you're the son of an illegal alien or the daughter then you can benefit from that system so I think you got to go into sort of the welfare system make sure that it's actually going to the people who are entitled to it and not to frankly illegal aliens that's probably where I'd start cuz that would help solve the immigration problem too you kind of kill two birds with one stone there man I think the defense procurement process is really broken and what it means is that we have a lot of weapon systems that are outdated and we're not doing as much Technology Innovation in in what we're giving our troops I mean you know this better than anybody but like whether we win the war of the future is in large part a technology battle right you like you don't want our our troops out there waving around knives when the other guys have guns you know there's a lot of cool stuff happening in drone technology there's a lot of cool stuff happening in under ground or or I should say underwater uh submersibles unmanned submarines like we should be giving our troops the best stuff but to do that you got to fix how the defense but the defense department actually buys weapons to begin with what about IRS CIA FBI yeah so I don't think I don't think the CIA wastes a ton of money so that's not an efficiency problem but I think it's corrupt right that's that's just a basic like there's Lawless within our intelligence Services we know this after the 2016 Russia hoax I I mean we have to remember there are actually members of the intelligence Community who were leaking stories to CNN that like Donald Trump was paid off by the Russians totally fabricated none of those people have been fired and they they ran the same playbook in 2020 remember the hunter Biden laptop story that they used our own intelligence services to justify big Tech censoring that story right why did why did Google Facebook Twitter why did they all censor that story because some of the members of our own intelligence Services the FBI the CIA were telling them you're not allowed to run the story because it is Russian disinformation right so you have to fix that problem I don't think you save a lot of money doing it but you make the people's government work better which is maybe the most important thing interesting with your discussions with Trump, Elon, The VA with President Trump and Elon Musk is there any estimation on what percentage of the government we can see go away I think when he took Twitter it was what he he cut 80% of the workforce yeah that's right that's right what can we expect within our own government you I I I go back to that number of okay we're spending $2.4 trillion more from 2019 to 2024 and what are we actually getting out of it I think a lot of that money you can make a lot of that money go away or I shouldn't say go away you can give it back to people who actually earned it rather than have it being misspent by government bureaucrats I think you can fire a lot of uh or or at least you know get rid of a lot of the federal Workforce right I don't know if it's 80% but it's a lot because look there are a lot of people I mean look if you go to Washington DC right now and you go to the Social Security Administration there are a lot of people who aren't showing up to work and and you know why they're not showing up to work is co but they're still doing remote work in some of these agencies like if your job is not important enough for you to show up and actually do it then maybe you shouldn't be collecting a taxpayer check to begin with and so I think there's a lot that you can cut there's a lot of efficiencies you can get out of there and I really do think you can save hundreds of billions of dollars maybe even trillions of dollars just by making the people's government work more efficiently perfect yeah but you I mean so just on this point one more thing there is like okay think about this so uh I'm sure you've used the VA system before I know I have when I got out of the Marine cor in' 07 the VA was the main way that I got Healthcare from 2007 to 2012 so here's my read of the VA being a senator dealing with the VA but also experiencing it personally probably 90 95% of the people who work at the VA are fantastic human beings but then you've got like a small slice of the of the VA that's bad apples that make it really hard for everybody else to do their job this is why veterans spend three hours on the phone trying to get an appointment this is why you have people committing suicide because they're waiting 28 days to get an appointment with a doctor like just crazy crazy stuff but it's a small sliver of the VA you got to fire those people right give the people who are doing their job a raise a promotion fire the people who aren't doing their job you save money you also make these agencies work better for the American people you know that's interesting I mean I'm you know I'm a I'm a veteran as well I tried the VA system I never walked back and um and so I am curious to know would you ever consider privatized health care for for veterans I think I I I considering and Donald Trump was really good at this uh doesn't get enough credit for this particular Innovation giving veterans more choice right so you know let's say you're in a rural Hospital your closest VA is is 120 mil away why force a veteran to drive 2 and a half hours to that VA facility when he can get cheaper and good care right in his backyard right so I I do think that we ought to open up choice and optionality for veterans I you know I I I think that there's areas where the VA actually works very well so I wouldn't say get rid of the whole thing I would say give people more choice I think you'll save money in the process you'll also give veterans a lot more optional okay speaking of Technology um you being a tech venture capitalist you understand the importance of AI technology XI jingping has said the the the winner to the AI race will achieve global domination how are we going to get in that mix you know especially with our power grid I mean we need more power to power artificial intelligence the left wants us on this green initiative they want to they don't want to go nuclear I mean how are we going to how are we going to compete well if the left gets their way we won't there's just no way around it I mean you know what I didn't realize until I actually you know looked into this is the amount of power you need to run modern AI is absolutely off the charts right I mean it's it's you'll need twice as much power three times as much electricity as we have in this country right now if you get AI going in in in in all the ways that it could I mean things like okay let's say you take a picture of um of your arm and you send it off to an AI company and that AI that that the company can tell you with 100% certainty whether you have any skin cancer on your arm right think about how much money that's going to save think about how many lives that's going to save but the power you need to run all that Computing technology is crazy it's like take what you need to run New York City add Ai and then double or triple what you need to to to run New York City just in this one small geographic area so number one is you've got to unleash American power now the good news is we actually have it right between nuclear natural gas and everything else we have the power that we need we could run an AI economy for 500 years just with the natural gas that we have in Ohio and Pennsylvania the problem is kamla Harris won't let us get that stuff out of the ground she has decided to prioritize oil and gas in Iran and Venezuela then oil and gas created by American workers that's mined from American territory it's totally insane that's number one is you really got to unleash American Energy and unfortunately we've got K Harris who wants to do the exact opposite the other big thing man is look I believe in Merit whether you're black white I I don't care where you come from I don't care who you sleep with like I I I want the best people for the job and the way that we lose the AI race is by all of this ridiculous diversity crap that forces companies and forces innovators to not hire the best people like this is my theory by the way about what's really changed about Elon Musk like dude Elon Musk was like a center-left Democrat 10 years ago like what really changed with Elon Musk Elon Musk wants to get to Mars and to get to Mars he needs the smartest engineers in the world he wants to hire who he wants to hire not who a government diversity bureaucrat tells him who to hire I think that's the big reason why Elon Musk is has become more conservative is he just wants to hire the best people for the job he doesn't want bureaucrats telling him who he has to hire that's the second thing is we've got to end this ridiculous diversity Equity inclusion garbage best person for the job good oldfashioned American Merit that's how you win the race to AI That's how you get to Mars final point I make is you know think about like you know AI you need software and you need Hardware okay what is the hardware it's computer chips and this is where China has really really invested and America's got to do a better job is it's too hard to create computer chips in this country you need power you need water you need minerals you need rare earth materials you need a whole host of things but if China dominates the computer chips they're going to dominate AI because you can't do AI without the nextg computer chips so we've got to invest in creating that infrastructure to do the next generation of computer chips and let me give you just one example how insane this stuff is so there was a big Bill that came out of Congress a couple of years ago and the whole point of it was to promote the American computer chip industry to manufacture more computer chips in America something that I think is a good idea agree or disagree we got to make more computer chips how could it be a bad idea I mean look I don't think I think most people agree with probably 90% of Americans agree with us on this okay so here's the problem though the way that that program has been implemented is Gina Rondo who's kamla Harris's Commerce Secretary she's trying to make Intel and Taiwan semiconductor and all these companies that are Manufacturing in the United States of America check all of these ridiculous Progressive politics boxes before they can manufacture like for example do you have the right diversity policies do you have the right Human Resources policies are you targeting your recruitment to have the right racial mix depending on the communities that you're operating in and these companies are like we just want to hire the best people for the job like does anybody really think that Intel is going to discriminate against people based on their skin color it's ridiculous let them hire the best people for the job but it goes to show how Progressive politics destroys the actual Censorship infrastructure that we need to build the stuff out thank you for clarifying that yeah on the subject of censorship since we're on with Elon um you know we know what's happening in in Brazil sure they blocked X now they've taken starlink to my understanding are we going to see any blowback if you and president Trump take office about all of the censorship that happened before Mark Zuckerberg just released that what letter saying oh I fell to you know victim to the FBI pressure and made a are we going to see any repercussions for people that's censored yes we're going to fire the people who censored we're going to fire the people who were telling Mark Zuckerberg and all the other technology companies that they needed to censor uh fire the you know the 50 intelligence operatives who said the hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation a lot of those people still have security clearances stri every single one of those people with their security clearances fire every single person you cannot lie take your position of public trust and lie to the American people for political purposes it's disgraceful and people have to suffer consequences for it now the other thing is we've got to be willing to use American soft power to promote a free speech Society so you talk about Brazil the leader I forget exactly which official it was within the European Union but sent Elon this threatening letter that that basically said we're going to arrest you if you platform Donald Trump who by the way is the likely next president of the United States so what America should be saying is oh if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military Alliance why don't you respect American values and respect Free Speech excuse me it's insane that we would support a military Alliance if that military Alliance isn't going to be pro- free speech I think we can do both but we've got to say American power comes with certain strings attached one of those is respect Free Speech especially in our European allies like look I'm not going to go to some Backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives but European countries should theoretically share American values especially about some very basic things like free speech this is my last question running out of time here and I just I did a lot of I talked to a lot of just everyday Americans yeah and the the the one thing that everybody wants me to ask you is child care costs health care costs I just talked to my brother-in-law he's paying $60,000 a year on child care and healthare costs and so you know Cala voted against the the child care tax credit yep uh several years ago that's right how are we going to make how are you and president Trump going to make Cost of living Health Care Child Care these these kind of everyday Necessities more affordable for everyday American people yeah so it's it's funny man uh KLA Harris says that she now supports the child tax credit the biggest expans to child tax credit was When Donald Trump was president and like you just said she voted against it and this is one of the reasons why Trump joked last night at the debate he joked like she's going to put on a red magah hat because every position that she once held she's running away from and she's running to Donald Trump's positions because there smart and because they're popular but I think it's important like don't believe what Kam Hara says that she wants to do believe what she's actually done and what she's actually failed to do but on child care costs I think there are a couple of things that we got to do here um to give Americans more choice but also I think if you give them more choice you can lower costs in the process so you ask yourself there's a lot of federal support that goes to child care but it's kind of crazy it only goes to one particular model and that model is a daycare center that you pay for which look a lot of families want to rely on that model a lot of families need to rely on that model I'm not saying we penalize them but we should allow other families who want to use different things to do that too like for example let's say that your church wants to have a daycare system set up a lot of people would prefer to have their daycare also be their church because they know those people right they trust those people already if they've already got a relationship through their Church the federal government does not help Church focused daycare centers they do Focus help a lot of non-church focused daycare centers so if you're a nonprofit organization and you are in the community and you want to set up a daycare center we should not be penalizing you for wanting to do that you ought to have the same support that everybody else has another example this is let's let's say for example um you know you you have an aunt an uncle a grandparent they'd like to help you with the kids but for financial reasons it's just not possible there are a lot of ways in which we make it harder for grandparents to play a role in the the the child care of their grandchildren and again like some people don't have access to grandparents and that's fine but if your grandparents are there and want to help we should be giving them the same supports that we give to external daycare centers but there's so much Federal money so much taxpayer money that goes to just the daycare center it should be going to the nonprofits too it should be going to the churches too and I think it should be going to the grandparents and the aunts and uncles too and if you spread out and gave people options right gave people more choices then that means those daycare centers are under less pressure you have fewer people who are try to use those resources so it drives down the cost of all child care and that's mean it is the craziest federal policy that we basically and we have these things called you Child Development block grants and there are other Federal programs and it subsidizes one model of child care give Americans Choice let them do what they want to do and I think that that will lower the cost of child care for a lot of American families thank you for that yeah if I could I have one more question to pop absolutely man I asked president Trump this when I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago and I said that I thought that the the most challenging part of your campaign was the was the women vote yeah sure how are you guys going to win over the women vote I mean Taylor Swift just came out last night Doris Kamala well you know look I all respect to Taylor Swift um I don't think that billionaires and ending candidates celebrities endorsing candidates really matters that much I I think that we have to make our pitch to the American people and in particular you know there are issues that affect all Americans but I think affect Women Voters in particular so Public Safety right Women Voters want their kids to be able to grow up in safe communities they want their kids to not be affected by the terrible fentol that's coming across the southern border I mean I was in Georgia the other day and these cops showed me f all disguised as child's candy nerds like nerds candies because the cartels are using this to get around our security protocols but what happens when you're a mom and your kid picks up a packet of candy on the playground and it kills them because they ate a piece of candy and it happened to be fentol that a cartel had brought into our communities or you know let's say you're you're a single woman and you want to ride the New York Subway or you want to walk through Central Park in public safety but KLA Harris has allowed millions of criminal migrants to take control of your communities I think our message to single women to married women is we want you to grow up in Safety and Security and we're going to pursue policies that make it easier for you to walk around the street in your own country and feel safe and secure whether you've got kids whether it's just you you and your family deserve to be safe and secure and that's something KLA Harris has taken from you and I think if we make it about policy and how our policies make communi safer then I think we went on that argument and I think we're going to get a lot of Women Voters to come on to our side another issue right we we know this in reality um about I I I've been told that about 70% of the grocery shopping in this country is done by women okay so like I like to go to the grocery store um you know so I in our family I do more the grocery shopping than my wife but I think most families the wife tends to do more of the grocery shopping okay so they're affected by the rise in food and they're affected by the fact that a lot of young people can't afford to buy a home right a lot of young women would like to buy a home um and they can't do it because of K Harris's policy so I think if we Hammer home the message that you can't buy a home you can't buy groceries you can't afford to turn on the heat at night because KLA Harris has made food energy and housing more expensive then I think that will have a special appeal to Women Voters too again affects everybody but it maybe affects women a little bit more thank you for clarifying well Mr Vance um I just want to say that um I'm a former SE and CIA contractor I have a lot of colleagues that I keep in touch with who are still still in and out everybody is behind you guys including me I wish you the best of luck and um and I have one more thing to say not everybody's going to vote so if you are going to vote go drag a buddy out that's exactly you have to vote and that's how we wion this thing that's how we wion this thing thanks man God see you God bless you no matter where you're watching sha Ryan Show from if you get anything out of this please like comment subscribe and most importantly share this everywhere you possibly can and if you're feeling extra generous please leave us review on Apple and Spotify podcasts