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n DS ranch.com sa50 [Music] today welcome to the dogs podcast with your hosts Blake rener Justin Charles and Josh all what's up Browns fans welcome back to another episode of the dogs podcast our first game recap well hey at least the bucke guys look good man just that's I was like man at least one good thing went well this weekend but no obviously uh game yesterday did not go the way we wanted to a ton to unpack uh in today's live episode our first live game recap of the season a ton to get into not just in the game but just stuff with Watson now signing a new players so a lot of stuff to get into we want to make sure we cover everything today in this live episode uh we appreciate everybody who's here in the chat already blowing it up that's uh stay in there we're going to address as many comments as we can get to um you guys you guys know how we like to do it during these lives I I know this is going to be a fun episode so well and it might be a long one or a therapeutic episode to 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if you cannot hear the voicemail please start popping it in there and let us know that you can't hear the sound but I think we should be good so here's Kenny Mack yo guys it is Kenny Mac and I don't know what to say about yesterday's game I mean it was a Lumpa Cole on Christmas Day and and the biggest thing is is with the off season what's the one thing that we said on this show so we don't want them coming out Rusty we want them to show something whether they lose or not but they showed nothing they showed they were out of shape they showed they had no continuity and they just showed like they were Rusty and that's the one thing that we didn't want um the offensive tackle play was horrendous everybody wants to go on about Deshawn but man I really don't think anybody would have done anything behind that offensive line and the frustrating part is when we got anything going we would drop passes have penalties and I'm super concerned look if you take a look at the last six games and what I'm talking about is last year against Cincinnati the Bengals game at sorry the Bengals game the Jets game and now this game we've got blown out of every game and if you take a look at the preseason none much's really changed I mean everything seems to line up as far as time of possession plays called but we're letting too many big pen go letting too many big plays go and we've it's now a trend I don't know what to do but tell me your thoughts Lads bye I'm out so for me with the the I said this talking all preseason I said I don't care if you look good in the preseason I just don't want I think it's a concern if you look bad in the preseason we look bad in the preseason and almost every single issue that we talked about in the preseason transition to week one almost I did not think the Special Teams looked very buttoned up uh in the preseason we give up some long returns we didn't give up any for touchdowns but there are a couple there were like holy [ __ ] like that guy that guy was a sh string of tackle away from taking to the house and even yesterday the first couple returns was like man that guy almost broke that and then then it happened and it's a back breaker because as bad as we were playing it was still Within Reach even heading into like the third middle of third late or early fourth yeah like the game the game was reach the defense had the defense had played well enough considering they were on the field for so much that it I'm pretty sure entering the fourth or at least very late in the third Dak was only like 13 of 25 or something for 150 yards in a touchdown like he we were not just getting diced I mean there were still some things concerning things we still can't stop a Jet Sweep we still struggle against like a a quick wide receiver screen that kind of stuff but we were at least making them earn it for the most part you know and considering the fact they were on the field the entire time it felt like um I thought I thought the defense wasn't as bad as what the final score indicated giving up 33 points I mean eventually you just get worn out and you just don't give a [ __ ] anymore because you know you know what I mean like oh yeah we'll just play next week I guess we we talked about that I mean the time of possession at one it was like Midway through the third or whatever it was doubley they were on the field double twice as much as we were I mean we were three we had one first down the entire it was pathetic it's weird I've never seen honestly at the game I even like when I think of my entire life I've never been like holy crap one first down like a that's how it's completely unacceptable yeah I mean accept Justin and I were at the game yesterday so if we little horse or whatever it look a little drained it's cuz we were up there putting up with that [ __ ] the whole time I mean first of all the atmosphere in the stadium went went to hell fast of course it did oh Cleveland it's Cleveland I mean the couple I mean I'm three and out three and out three and out on offense starting to boo starting to boo the offense and I looked Justin I said well you know I don't I don't really like it when the fans boo their team at home I can't really defend the team anything I I I'm not a fan of that either I don't like that either but I mean I'm not booing but at the same time it's like people want to boo like I can't I can't I can't say hey don't boo I think at I think booing is acceptable at times and yesterday was 100% acceptable um I I've watched Browns football my entire life and that was arguably one of the worst games I've ever seen in professional football team play AR that was that was that was so bad on we looked what I say coming in out of the preseason I said I don't expect the offense to be fireworks week one I just don't want us to be incompetent I said you know if timing's a little off you know we we're putting some good plays together but there's a couple balls that are just out out of the reach of receivers cuz we're just a step or two off you know we'll get our timing and be hitting our stride weeks three four you know I just don't want to look incompetent we look incompetent as [ __ ] how many times yesterday I look at you and say everything Blake didn't want to see is exactly what's happening right now I was I'm not goingon to lie bro I was nervous about today I said don't I said don't let it I said don't and now I said don't let I said I don't want to look incompetent on offense and I said and don't let two players on defense beat you Michael Parsons and Diggs Diggs had a pick and Michael Parsons wrecked the game he uh tipped the first pass right yes so it's I don't understand why we have a play in The Playbook where we don't block Micah Parsons but then we're going to throw it right in his face like he's one of the best athletes in the NFL who what play is that that was the dumb like that was such a dumb play so I I I know I I came up with my well we're going to get through all this stuff but I came up with a list of who is to blame for yesterday okay and Watson's taking a ton of heat and I'm going to give you my thoughts on on Watson okay but in terms of the just for what happened yesterday I have him third out of four of my list of who was to blame for what happened yesterday let's hear it number one to me and it's a guy that we all love on this show is Andrew Barry I don't think you can roll into the season at any point in Jame and have to have James Hudson starting it tackle for you that is in I said it in the preseason that is inexcusable he should not be an option he should not be on an NFL roster if we cut him I don't think he gets signed anywhere and he started in a in a game for us yesterday again again I don't understand that you can't tell me that throughout the entire off season there wasn't one left tackle or even a swing tackle or anybody that we could have signed to challenge him for that roster spot there's no way you could say especially that your all your tackles were hurt so to think well they really thought Jed and Jack would be back week one that's poor planning your job is to ex plan for the worst and hope for the best as a GM you he he James Hudson should not be on your team and he's sure as [ __ ] should not be starting it left tackle week one and I I like Andrew Barry a lot he should not be on the team and that a total fail by Andrew Barry that's 100% a fail that is on him 100% that that is the what you can put out there tackle uh to start week one in a in a big Prime Time game you start James Hudson I will tell you this too me and Josh right before you got here we we kind of were feeling this out and I said I was telling him I said tackle was an issue last year we had an opportunity to address that this year in the draft or free agency or whatever and and we just said hey we'll be cool with the guys that we got and obviously it for me there was such a huge collection of all issues all it was like a perfect [ __ ] storm of everybody just not doing well or being very playing where poorly or the coaches got out coached or executed or everybody's tired so that was my thing Josh said well hey we technically have two starting tackles and there you know you have dwan Jones is a viable starting I would call you know a starting right tackle as your backup but I'm I'm I'm I'm with you I get where you're frustrated I just especially is we as fans I I called this a month ago I said James Hudson cannot play left tackle for you this season he shouldn't even be on an NFL roster we've seen this is now the what the third or fourth year of James Hudson why does he keep making the team I don't know man and we've SE and again I have we are huge Andrew bar fans on this show I think he's a very good young GM that being said we've seen him do this multiple times with multiple positions where it's like we all see it's a problem and he like for some reason his tunnel vision doesn't think it's a problem and just ignores it and then in that season it [ __ ] us it's been dine it's been linebacker and now it's let it's tackle and just to be fair too I mean who we don't know what what the conversations are maybe it's not just him who does doesn't think it's a problem maybe he's getting input from the coaching staff too and these guys are saying look we're okay if we got to play James Hudson for a game or two we'll be okay and whoever's input is getting them to that conclusion you're wrong it is terrible I went back and I started rewatching the game today I didn't get through the whole thing because I just [ __ ] couldn't but like even in the first I think it was our second offensive drive we were talking about like they kicked off it was a Touchback so we get the ball at to 30 oh wait it was an illegal formation on the freaking kick return team so we we're already five yard what five yards back and then uh Dean Jones fall starts the very first place so instead of being first and 10 from the 30 we're SEC or 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out that's 10% off all the top quality sporting gear you need this season boten sports.com doogs so that that is my number one person who I blame yesterday on sure number two is a combination between another guy that we're obviously super high on on this show is it's stefansky and SL Ken dorsy there's no way there's no way that's how you have a team prepared for week one D that was unexcusable I don't know so I we might see differently on this Blake but all I heard was we don't need to PR like we don't need pregame you know preseason games for you know experience or to get chemistry or any of that we're good we're all ready to go nobody we don't need to play starters that was everything that we heard right yeah yeah they were confident um I that to me did not like a team ready to roll out especially there was so much momentum like this the city wanted to make that something special yesterday they were we were as far as a fan base maybe not towards the third quarter when it was all Dallas Cowboy fans in there but everybody was excited to let that go we we looked out of shape we looked gassed we looked completely checked out yeah our leadership we had no leadership out there on the field yesterday no the body language I mean I I was seeing it on the replay today and I was like wow it looks bad but I mean in person and we're up high and you can just see the players on the field they were checked out they were pissed Mar Cooper's body language was horrific Deshawn Watson slamming the ball on the ground every time he gets hit because nothing's working you could just see the frustration with these guys and it's like these guys this this unit the whole team was a mess but offense was not ready to go uh yeah and like I thought miles actually played pretty well defensively like he impacted the game I think he was the highest graded PFF player um a lot of uh he had a sack I think he had multiple pressures but it was it was like first quarter in they're driving and he's on the sideline sucking wind I'm like it's the first [ __ ] quarter I looked at him and I said uh who who Alex right I said Al right and I looked and I'm like it's first in 10 in the first quarter where is our where's our game changer on defense especially correct me if I'm wrong didn't they go straight down the field on that drive yeah that was the one where they went down and we had the communication break down God th was pointing to the back like hey get this guy here and he turns around he's like [ __ ] nobody's there and Cooks just walks in I yeah I don't understand like the conditioning like you said we looked out of shape it's the first quarter yeah I could now if he's sucking wind in the fourth quarter cuz we've been on the field the whole time I get it and I know it's a completely different level of play from high school to the NFL I get that okay so don't don't clip this and make it sound like I'm saying I'm better than Miles Garrett or whatever but in high school I played both sides of the ball I didn't get to come out for a break in the first quarter right he's only playing on one side of the ball there's there's 20 second breaks in between every play you can't play for the first quarter it's not like he's re a receiver running 40 yard routes every time yeah he's exploding off the ball doing maybe like a five to8 yard Sprint the ball gets thrown to ran and it's done and then he doesn't do anything again for 30 more seconds how do how can he not play every defensive snap in the first quarter how are we that out of shape in game one and you were talking about you know miles Garrett's our biggest playmaker on defense he's riging Deo all that stuff right so I was reading an article today and they were um pretty much heaping praise onto the Cowboys for their game plan they said the majority of the time when Dak was throwing they would make sure that the play was a roll out away from miles and I'm like oh how [ __ ] brilliant you don't want to be back here to take a chance of getting pressured by this Elite pass rusher so just roll out the other way make sure you slide your protection doing that's exactly what I said I'm sitting there reading this on my computer like what the where was our [ __ ] why didn't we do anything like that I mean michah Parson's pretty damn good we we know that we got it's just unre we got out coached by a guy who I think is very is a very like mid-tier coach like there's worse coaches than Mike McCarthy but when it came time for the Browns to hire coaches I was very much did not want Mike McCarthy yeah and he's it's not like he he's been on the hot seat already in Dallas before and we got thoroughly out coached um and again I'm not I think Miles played a good game and he's obviously like our best player but my my it's not I'm not critiquing his play I'm critiquing the fact that we were so out of shape in game one that our starred defensive player has to take breaks in the first quarter when you only play on one side of the ball in the first quarter that is that is what kills me so it's I'm not critiquing his play I'm critiquing the lack of having guys ready to play in week one that's what I'm critiquing here um so also and then the I don't know what the issue is but we heard we weren't seeing this new offense in the preseason CU we didn't want to give anything away I'm starting to think there is no new off yeah they tricked us for years now there is no new offense all we heard was we were going to get all this new offense and then this stat comes out after the oh [ __ ] through Sunday slated games the Browns ranked last in the NFL in the use of pre- snap motion at 24.3% in motion at the snap 4.3% what new offense what if you're the Browns and you're on we have the we had the number one defense in football last year what killed the Browns pre- snap motion yep jet sweeps guys in motion at the snap of the ball getting our guys in space pre app making them move and having to adjust that's what killed us and we have a pretty [ __ ] good defense but for some reason we don't do it to the other teams so then we go out and bring in Ken dorsy who's supposed to change that and we don't ever [ __ ] do it and we I get to if I had to hear augmented offense one more time in the preseason we're not seeing the augmented offense we know we got this augmented offense coming in you're [ __ ] lying and the thing is I tried to say this in the one of the episodes people were saying that the offense looked like dog [ __ ] in Camp yep well what did we say after we went up a couple weeks ago to that Wednesday session like didn't really see much lot of L lot of short passes to the tight ends yep the so the crazy thing too like uh something I heard today is you know people were trying to figure out what's going on with the offense right they like you know they don't look like they're on the same page the it looks dysfunctional basically on every level whether it's the line the quarterback the receivers running nobody is getting anything done and I guess Judy Elijah Moore Amari Cooper Watson only did two or three practices out of like 18 or something it was on one of the I want to say it was maybe ultimate Cleveland Show today but and then we're talking about well we're not going to play any preseason but then in the game we're talking about we have to create chemistry I don't give a [ __ ] about chemistry anymore if we need create chemistry for these guys to play well together then they should have played against Seattle straight up and I know I know you don't think preseason matters I don't think the games matter right because no D Dallas didn't play in the preseason right they that's Golf and and Stafford didn't play in the preseason yeah but they're not rolling out brand new offense that needs reps there was no [ __ ] reps we didn't roll out a brand new offense either but I'm saying like if if it isn't a brand new offense and we just don't know what we're doing I I yesterday while I'm watching the game I didn't see anything that I haven't seen for three years yeah now and I'll say this which gets me to then where I put um I have Watson third on my list of people to blame in for this game is like Dan Orlowski on ESPN said he would be thinking very hard about playing Winston and I like Dan I think he he knows he definitely knows cback play better than I do and he's he's been pretty fair to the Browns so it's I don't think he's been a Browns hater so I think you can kind of take take him at his word when he says stuff and he says stefansky can't call anything right now we can't run anything because Watson isn't good at football is basically what he said he said he can't he doesn't see the field what he does see he doesn't throw accurately he he just and that's where I come into here I know the Browns as a whole were completely unprepared to play yesterday it was a complete failure by so many different people especially on the offensive side of the ball that being said Watson was arguably the worst player on the field for us and he's not he's supposed to be elite so in my argument people are always people will say well um the offensive line was so bad nobody would look good behind that nobody would go out and tear it up behind that offensive line I I agree but when Mahomes played in a Super Bowl a couple years ago against Tampa Bay and both of his tackles were were out and they got killed and the Chiefs just couldn't get anything going on offense what did we all think though after that game we all we after that game even though they got killed and the offense couldn't do anything we all went Patrick mahom is the best [ __ ] player in the league even even though he's running for his life yeah you're going even some of even while he's running for his life and they can't get anything real going on offense and his receivers are dropping passes some of the [ __ ] he's doing out there in this game you he's the best [ __ ] player in football this was not on him look AR just on Thursday night his offensive line was putrid he put up video game numbers and had him a big toe away from tying the game or winning against the defending Super Bowl champs in Kansas City so and I'm not saying you know he has to be Lamar or Pat Patrick Mahomes those are tough guys to be but that's who he's supposed to be that's the guy we traded for that's the guy we're paying you know and I don't care so the money is one thing I've said on here A bunch of times I don't care how much people money are how much money people are making as long as it doesn't affect the Brown's ability to work within the cap to still have a good roster top to bottom so you can pay him a billion dollars as long as we can still have other good players I don't care but we're paying you to be an elite player we we traded enough draft picks for you to be an elite player you're supposed to be one of those guys you're supposed to be a guy that when I watch us and the receivers are dropping passes and we have false start penalties and the line's not blocking anybody and I watch that and I go well you're [ __ ] the only thing even keeping us reasonably in it good thing we got a baller at quarterback you're you're at least making us be competitive if it wasn't for you we'd be getting [ __ ] killed that's not what happens when we watch Watson play he is since we we are watching him play and it is like he we better be really [ __ ] good around him or else it's not going to be good we had that we had that I wanted that we ran him out of town I was one of the guys leading the charge because I was like you can't win a Super Bowl like this and I'm not I'm not saying I want him benched right now I'm not saying that but I'm definitely hovering over the button of from what I watch I don't know if he's still good at football and we've defended him a ton on here and said he just had to get healthy he looks slow long slow and slow in processing in everything he does not he does not look like an elite explosive athlete to me he does not get away from pressure that well he gets caught from behind by Edge rushers like I think people are saying where is our scheme uh to help with these poor tackles we're supposed to be R I think the offense in dorsy they were brought in to run in wide openen backyard football kind of offense where it's Watson taking the the ball scanning the field running around making plays ad libing hit taking deep shots I don't think he's good enough to run that offense anymore at least not from what I've seen and and then he isn't he doesn't process fast enough here here to run a stanski offense he's that is about doing fundamentals hitting your drop timing based Precision that's not his game so his game is backyard football kind of game a Patrick Mahomes kind of style and he's not I don't know if he's good enough to do that anymore based off what I see and I know he was injured last year but even last year he he does does not look explosive he does not look like an explosive athlete he breaks some tackles in the pocket but his pocket awareness is I mean there are times where like it looks like he's under pressure but all he has to do is just take a half a step up and sit there and throw the ball but then he takes off running and he looks slow as [ __ ] and he gets caught from behind and gets sacked and this might be like I'm nitpicking but a lot of the times he's on the field and like he'll get he has this look on his face I can't be the only one that's like you see him and he looks almost I didn't see that yesterday but I was sitting in space just like he almost seems like as it's going on like he's processing holy [ __ ] like I don't know like he's thinking to himself I don't know if I can do this like I can't believe that guy caught me that guy didn't used to catch me how how did he just catch me and it keeps happening and he just look he almost looks concerned when he's on the field I think like the problem with Watson is he he's always been a guy that held on to the ball right you know he's held on to the ball a lot and uh he still can elude you know he can break off and kind of get away but I I agree with you I think that right now like the big playability that used to happen afterwards in Houston we're not seeing that right now and I don't know if he's he's not getting up field he's part of it and then obviously like there there wasn't a lot of Separation yesterday with rece I like top to bottom I don't think we look great but there was wide open I I haven't watched all 22 all that [ __ ] but that i' I've heard guys say hey there was Guys open but so let me let me chime in real quick on a little bit of the like explosion and he doesn't maybe he doesn't think he can do it any I'm wonder it just made me think like it was 700 days between the times that he had played football so it's like almost what two two years yeah yeah so you know whenever he last played football he was like 23 24 and then he had all that time off and he comes back at like 26 27 well those years right there for a quarterback naturally playing year after year after year in the NFL like if your if your speed if your physical abilities start to decline a little bit you naturally progress with it because you're in the rhythm you're you're out there every week on like that you know you just kind of naturally adjust to not being quite as fast as you were the week before and the week before and the week before cuz it's a natural progression he had 700 days to go from this younger version of himself to now this older you know less capable version of himself and he never had the time in between to progress and now it's like oh [ __ ] I can't do what I used to do if if you're going to regress athletically then it needs to be up here you'd think this guy'd be the [ __ ] no stradamus a football with not playing all he's had to do for the last three years is just read Playbook watch film you'd think he'd be the [ __ ] Payton Manning of Our Generation right now that's you know what I mean like you would think he would be able to dissect freaking any defense ever because what he hasn't been physically practicing so you you're you should be mentally practicing I mean I don't know if you're if you can't run away and you can't throw and you can't do this you better be freaking really good at knowing just like I know the ball needs to go there and I can at least just get out there with my broke ass arm and let the receiver make a play he doesn't seem to know where to go with the ball which is backed up by I haven't got to watch it I've just heard some things from it burns did a breakdown of the game I watch that and said he was awful said he was said it was bad and again I am hoping that this was just one bad game and I'm not against a good defense and I'm not selling the entire season so yes this is a game that deserves being negative we're not selling the season no it's it's only one team in the AFC North won this week and they didn't score touchdown on offense that's right you know what I mean so we're not selling the season but this game warrants a negative reaction it does and but what I've been trying to remind and I get the negativity I get being upset I'm upset it was a that was a long [ __ ] day to be miserable from this game but at the same time I'm looking at the schedule and it's like okay if we can bounce back against Jacksonville they did not have a strong showing yesterday we could you know on on our strong defense we could come out with a win on that one then we get the Giants the Raiders the commanders teams that do not look very good at all I mean we could come out of this thing four in one and not be so worried about week one here you know in a month yeah so I'm just let's just try to put it in perspective let's take it you know a week at a time but it's just one game but it was a bad bad game all around and then my my fourth on the list of where it went wrong yesterday oh that was only three so far that was only three is um there are guys on this team that we think or at least thought were good that I don't know if they're good like I don't think Elijah Moore is good I think he might be a bad football player or at least not a very good one um I'm concerned that posk and and Teller and I love those guys I don't know if they're that good or at least not as good as they were two years ago yeah um I don't know if Dewan Jones is the player that thought he was last year okay so and we are we just talked about the quarterback where I have some serious doubts if he's going to ever be good enough to play football for us right now and um I'm hopeful he can and I'm hoping that we are seeing a much better person next week but based on everything I've seen so far and the 13 games he's played for us in now you know two years in a game I'm not seeing anything that says top top 10 quarterback he he might have had some good numbers in some games last year some okay numbers in some games but I have nothing I've seen says this is the guy who's going to take you to the promised land okay and then there are guy I don't know if Juan Thornhill is as good as we thought he was going to be that that one's Fair that's fair that's sad but fair okay so they're like there are some guys on this team that we thought were really good additions and were going to be really solid players for us that I just don't know if they are that good we haven't been able to run the ball since week two last year dude yeah we need to talk about that cuz this this is Art in problem this is arguably the worst running back room in the NFL uh yeah it's not can you think think of a running back Zeke and Rico D is better than this and yeah and this isn't Zeke this is Zeke the old man this is Ezekiel e Ezekiel okay um I don't know like I we think of a running back room that's worse than ours I'm sure there is but we gotta be down there Jerome Ford just he can't do it there's there I mean it's like in the NFL the the holes are there and gone you got to see them and you got to hit them and you got to hit them quick yes he does too much [ __ ] in the back field okay never Cuts lateral lateral lateral and and runs a lot if there's not there to be a good NFL running back sometimes there has to be nothing there and you still make something of it I'm not saying it to be Nick chub where there can be nothing and you take it 60 to the house but if there's nothing still get me three or four sometimes we everybody's talking about how we hardly ran the ball one it's hard to run the ball I think I saw on over half of our drives we were starting first in 15 or first and 20 tough to run the ball then especially when you know we're only going to get two yards if that and then we got down yes and then you really can't run the ball so this is arguably the worst running back room in the NF the wide receiver room I think is we all know we think you know Amari Amari Cooper is a very good wide receiver but we are missing an we don't have a CD lamb type player you know what I mean like Amari Cooper is a very good wide receiver I think he's like in like the 11 to 12 range in terms of wide receivers in the NFL somewhere in there we don't have like an alpha guy that you just have to game plan around his athleticism and his speed it doesn't matter if he's covered you just throw it to him and he's going to burn you we don't have that so like a guy like Joe burrow can Elevate his offense with poor offensive line Play Because Chase and Higgins and these guys are open instantly you know and if they're not you just throw it and they they'll make a play we don't have that we don't have any we don't have anything like that everything we have to do is going to has to take a little bit of time or at least like we got to have somebody who can he has to have a better inclination where he's going to go pre- snap so he can get rid of the ball quicker and then basically like the main guy is like you just throw it to him and he's going to make a play whether he's covered or not is usually in joku but like yesterday the one Crossing route he's wide open he's got what at least 10 yards of yak in front of him no I'm talking about the one that he just straight up dropped and he was like are you [ __ ] kidding me are we doing this again and he's I mean if you guys haven't been following if you're listening whatever I mean joku has got that high high ankle sprain so I haven't heard like a timeline I saw potentially surgery but that was this morning and they were going to evaluate uh you know do the MRI thing so either way like now we're down a top weapon yeah and and tight end's a position where there it's Akens that's it that's another we talked about we talked about tight end did so much and we never added one no we n nobody so it's just and the thing is is we already can't run the ball and in joku is a very good run blocking tight end and so now that's going to suffer even more yeah it's I I don't know again I'm not selling the season because I'm I've seen enough out of Kevin stafinski hopefully in the last four years he's W coach year twice that he's going to make adjustments to the offense like he's going to be like this was total failure what do we need to do and I I am I believe that he will work on it but it was such a we to me we looked like a JV team we were even out physical like the play that in joku got hurt on it just he got freaking leveled we did we level anybody yesterday we were supposed to be like the big bad defense we had one big sack on Dak early but they they look like they smelled blood in the water and they and they just put it on us and we just cowered we just cowered away that that is what was hard to watch um so those are those are my four reasons why the game went the way they went yesterday and why uh the last two are reasons why I am not panicking on the season but I think there's a legitimate case for concern going forward into this season is based on those last two the fact that we've Kenny Mack has talked about it a bunch in the Discord since we clinched at the Jets game last year we've gotten blown out three times yeah yep since we clinched we have not played a good football game since we clinched the playoffs uh against the Jets what do you want me to do shave my beard what do you want from me Jesus Christ shout out Kenny Mack again too because I mean one of his major preseason worries I mean he harped on this on a ton of our episodes and stuff especially like in the Discord he was like why is our off defense I know it's just preseason why are we focus so heavily on tight ends and running backs every single game a tight end or a running back was our leading receiver every single game we're not getting the ball to the receivers there's nothing developing downfield none of that stuff come into week one same damn thing tight ends led the I mean who was our leading wide receiver Judy right with three for 25 it was and joku and Akens were the top two pass catchers and it's one of those things like I said if you look good in the preseason it doesn't really matter but if you're having glaring issues in the preseason there there's a chance those are going to translate and I think now we know like that's moving forward into future years we really got to take that seriously yeah whether it's the starters or not because this is what we're seeing that's why I said I don't care if you look good in the preseason but I definitely am worried if you look bad in the preseason and you looked bad in the preseason um so that's that's that's my thoughts on the game I think we covered a lot of stuff I don't know was there did we did you guys want to dive into more did you want to did you want to just mention real quick the so I know we saw it in the chat earlier we talked about it before the show when the the clip's going around social media Watson tried to help tell I think was it bonio Bon tried to help him up and he he like kind of waved off his hand everyone was like oh the team's falling apart chemistry is gone they hate each other yeah go ahead and yeah so Joe Thomas last night tweeted it out and he basically said for an offensive lineman especially an older offensive lineman we're talking he's in his 10th or 11th year now they're like turtles they can't get up off their back pretty much so basically he has to roll over onto his stomach to get up yeah he said for for Watson to come over and try to pick him up not only he said when you're younger you can kind of roll into it right and just kind of get up real quick and make them feel like they helped you up you know just because yeah it's not like helping on his back and he pops up except you're doing all the work you know they you're just making them feel good that they picked you up but he said basically like when you're older like that you you can't get up like that anymore you just roll onto your stomach and like a almost like a grizzly bear you just get up so I think that's important like that was not a chemistry or a team issue thing it was a dude I I need to get up on my belly and and if and if it is the chemistry or team issue thing that's not the vid like that doesn't tell you what it is exactly like I think Joe Joe Thomas said I don't know if bonio likes Watson or not but this video isn't evidence of anything the one that was evidence of something to me was whenever the play call came in and marari Cooper rolls his head his entire body is like oh Jesus like are you kidding me and I was like man that's I don't like seeing that yeah no because he's like a pretty like supposed to be a leader and he's normally like very yeah you don't see much emotion no he's like a he's a Nick chub of receivers receivers yeah so when he's out there rolling his shoulders in his head like oh you got to be [ __ ] kidding me uh Cowboys fan here congratulations yeah there was a ton of you [ __ ] at the stadium yesterday oh we were in the Hornets Nest oh my God it was just there were two guys that I don't know how they got out of that Stadium without getting their asses Ki Oh they probably did they well that's true they dude oh man it was bad but we won't go there epic uh anybody in 512 that was hollering at the uh boy band group uh and yeah the guys that were braiding each other's hair yeah the bra yes I'm not going to repeat what I said to them about that uh we'll leave that oh I guess no no we're not doing that it was along the lines of we know what we you can use for uh the gel I did not say that but yeah anyway anyway well what are we diving into next because that the game was I I'll just say before we move on real quick I do think the next four games like if you want to quiet a lot of this go four and0 and yeah exactly and to to be honest like I there we should not lose to Jacksonville in my opinion like they're they're not as good as we are or at least as good as we're supposed to be and for sure like the commanders and the Raiders are not as good as we're supposed to be those go out and win the next three game or four games and be and the Giants are pitiful so go out the commanders didn't look good yes so go out and win those games and be 4- one and and let's look good in those 4- one again I'm not saying that um like stats and all this stuff I don't need 400 yards passing and stuff but I need Watson to like look significantly more comfortable and better and throwing the ball and all that good stuff so but again this this game warranted a negative reaction but we're not sold on the season and I'm not selling the ship on anything but this was a bad football game this game [ __ ] suck it really last 24 hours kind of like that's kind of where I was trying to get across a lot of people like on Twitter and stuff was like be pissed off about this game because it was [ __ ] embarrassing but don't come out here saying gotta fire Kevin gotta fire dorsy fire a trade for Flo wearing that cut Watson the season's over [ __ ] this we you know maybe in two like guys it's been one one bad game like just be okay but but honestly though and it's I mean if you're a Browns fan you're allowed to have that reaction you know what I mean like that was disappointing that was about as low as you could get nut punched you know what I mean like that was for everything leading up to that and how excited Browns fans probably were and all of us and here we go and do it for Jim Jesus you know what I mean don't go out there and lay a frakin duck and just not even show up I don't get it thinkk God he had to be there to watch that game um but it reminded me of the last time I felt like this bad after a Browns game was week one Freddy kitch's year H just they remind me of 2019 against when we had a ton of hype and then they came out and just bullied us the Titans GI just destroyed killed us so this might have been worse though CU I thought we 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shipped with your purchase of a manly band from manly bands.com so check it out again manly bands.com use promo code dogs for 25% off your order so I think then the next thing we need to go move into is the the big news I saw driving home from work today is Watson being sued again um this time for a more serious allegation this one is an actual sexual assault um not like a sexual misconduct um this one is much worse in severity it's still within the the same statue of limitations I think there's a chance I think there's a chance is going to land him on the exempt list because he's especially with the history if you know what I mean like with the history the NFL does is not like yeah I they're not going to want this guy out here playing Prime Time games and stuff like that and then it goes to court and like he's found I know it's going to be civil so it's not guilty or not guilty but he's found liable they don't want this guy playing this year being on Prime Time games and that like I I think there's a legitimate chance he could end up on the exempt list and um if they really want to dick the Browns put him on the exempt list for like the entire time this is going on and he won't be able to play and we won't he won't be suspended so then we're stuck if he's suspended you can cut bait and you get out of it and you're and you're done and the only thing you're out is the money you already paid him and in the draft picks which the money is already taken care of we figured that out in the draft picks we're back to having first round draft picks so um but one it's it's not good in terms of we already think like his me Al his mentals are gone no confidence I know sansky says he doesn't lack confidence we we're not [ __ ] blind okay um and then two it's a bad it's a it's I need there's not going to be physical evidence in this obviously the evidence we're going to get I need to know after this date did they continue to text for two months and go on 10 more dates and she told him how in love she was with them over Tex messages and everything was fine in Dandy uh or did after this date she blocked him on all her socials she blocked his phone number never talked to him again told two or three of her friend like that's the kind of evidence we're going to get in in a case like this um so that's the details I want to come out before I'm I'm pitchforking but it's definitely he's it's become a headache that is not worth it at this point based on play yeah and I I don't I don't think we need to dive into the full details of the allegation you guys can go read it for yourselves look it up read the article and all that stuff but just and depending on the evidence which way it goes like in terms of like if it's I was able to defend the past ones because most of these women were still texting him offering to come back wanted to the counter evidence was so like damning against them it was like this is stupid yeah this is just stupid this so depending on how this plays out and the evidence that is brought to light I don't want them on my team I think that's one on how it is I guess we will clarify a little difference like you said between this and everything that's happened in the past what happened in the past was these massage therapist sessions and then they these women were trying to date him and have recurring sessions and that's where everything got a little gar you know their family they enjoyed working yeah they're like oh he's a great guy I love him all this stuff so it's like that the counter evidence was like this is this is dumb this is all dumb and this one is not that same situation that's what makes it different is they were actually going on a date like he was coming to pick her up he was at her apartment yeah she invited him in and all this stuff you know and they were going to go out to dinner whatever and yeah so that's um a little different story so the evident the depending on what comes out like you first of all if it's looking like he's guilty the league will definitely suspend him and he'll be done he won't most likely won't ever play again and the Browns will be back at square one essentially um but I think there's a chance he's going to land on the exempt list for who knows how long and it's going to be a jamus Winston season which at this point based on what I saw yesterday and what Jake Burns saw yesterday and what Dan olowski saw yesterday like might not be the worst thing that it's ever happened to the Browns I hope it's false mostly I hope it's false not for the Browns because I don't want a girl to have been raped so I hope it's false and I hope she's just looking to get money but I got I got to see see I got to get we got to get more details it just got reported and that's where it gets a little hairy too because it's the same attorney has got all the other girls paid so it's like it just like you said we've defended because it made sense to defend because there was no evidence there was no charges it was all very very fishy if you followed any of the case you know it was fishy but I'm just getting [ __ ] sick and tired of it especially because um he's not playing well or not playing at all like you sent that text on your way here and then like that we'll talk about the cader Sony thing here in a minute but like all this stuff popped right before the show and I said what like it's not even been [ __ ] 24 hours since we just got our asses wiped with Dallas and we got to come in here and talk about this stuff God damn like I'm this person says but the thing is why now why come out now it makes no sense what I saw is she didn't come out at first uh because first of all I'm not going to tell a female who was sexually assaulted went to come forward because that's a tough thing for them two she said she was going to come out then sooner but she saw that the way that some of the other women were being treated by other people so she was afraid to and then so she went to them privately and when they said no then that's when she's decided to come forward again I'm not going to say anything about her or anything about Deshawn until we literally have no details except for that he's being suit so I don't want to say all this way or all this way until we have more details but just based on it's different first of all so he does he's not immune from this in terms of the NFL it's a different situation and this would 100% P put a suspension back in play um but like we said at this point it's just not [ __ ] worth it right now it's just it's too much like it just you know just when you think you're past it now it's something else and we've been the most staunch supporters of it yeah and it's just getting to the point like if he if he threw for 400 yards and I'm not saying you can rape chicks and throw exactly don't hear what we're not saying but but we but we don't have the details yet so I can deal with you know if you're playing well and we have to deal with a headache until we learn more okay obviously if it comes out as true I don't care how many yards you throw for you have to be gone and most likely just should be murdered but um but like it's not even just having to deal with any distractions anything outside of him just watching film and practicing football is more than a headache than he needs to be worth right now because he's not playing well enough to be a headache that's fair I mean I what you're what you're saying is legit because in sports especially we see this all the time like there are guys that Antonio Brown was the perfect example like what a [ __ ] headcase headache for the Steelers but you know what it was kind of worth putting up with the headache because he was producing like crazy on the field you that's just how the way it is but and then there reaches a breaking point where you get too crazy and you have to get gone but you in sports you can deal with a a locker room headache to a point if you know like you said AB is arguably he's like one of the better wide receivers honestly in like NFL history yeah oh kind of look at like obj I mean he was a headache in locker rooms but they they dealt with him cuz he produced and lately he has not produced and he's been in a different locker room every year because he's not worth the headache exactly and it's it's the same with like what we' said with some backups you don't have certain backup quarterbacks because this it's not worth the distraction exactly yes so you we can't be we can't have off the field distractions I don't want my G and my coach answering all these questions all the time for a guy who had 30 yards passing at halftime yeah and I don't want to have to talk about it on my [ __ ] podcast I want to talk about the game I don't want to talk about I don't want to talk about this [ __ ] anymore yes so uh but I think I again that's speculation but I think there's a real chance he ends up on the exempt list it at this point in time like I mean again like you said speculation but it's in the it's in the range of outcomes we got to bring it up yeah why if you're the NFL why would you not put him on it you know what I mean I mean I I I'm I'm kind of with you like I'm kind of fully expecting it I mean I wouldn't be shocked the way that they went after him you know what I mean like they how many times do we think oh there there isn't anything you had people saying there was no actual evidence and no you know all the stuff you broke it down but I like NFL brought down the hammer I wouldn't I wouldn't expect him to not do it again yo if he didn't do it allegations are just again we we've said that forever and that's why I said we need more details to come out it just got reported like 45 minutes ago before we started this we don't have any um we have we have previous history of allegations being enough to suspend yes because that's exactly what happened and and and the exempt list isn't even suspended that's just exempt you're just like in purgatory yeah like uh don't really know what's going on with you so we're just going to not let you play yes what is Blake have you WQ I don't know what that means have you watched have you watched th the dra I don't know I don't know what that means supposed to be all one Blake have you watched we're going to need the rest of that sentence help me out brother finish it keep going so um yeah it's it's just not a great Monday to be a Browns fan it's tough today it's tough Sunday can't get here fast enough to get another unless it goes to [ __ ] again but like I almost wish we played on Thursday I know just to get it in and get out just to get this game gone and so we don't have to spend the next five days talking about this and we could just turn the page and just get to another game like if we can come out and take care of business against Jacksonville and look significantly better and we put up 30 points and the offense is clicking and maybe we send somebody in [ __ ] motion every once in a while supposed to will do a lot for chemistry and you know the Vibes of a locker room which I mean defense comes out and gets sacks against Trevor Lawrence we win by you know 14 points or whatever couple scores and we just if we just kind of bully them up front for once on both sides then it's like okay we're cool we're cool but yeah it we just need to get there yeah um is Kevin bad scheming Guys open like Andy Reid no I think by all evidence throughout his career there's guys been open a ton we just haven't ever had a quarterback who gets him the ball right uh I mean like Baker did it for a year and then the next year you know you saw the Odell video that got Odell out of here I mean he was just running around wide open we all saw it with our own eyes and then now Jake Burns broke down yesterday's game so there was tons of guys um that uh were open and he just he's just panicking in the pocket um one bad game and he's hoping Watson gets suspended first of all we didn't say he hope he gets supended we said that there's a chance he'll be put on the exempt list that that's not being suspended that's just and I think what he's saying is like you said if he's going to play like he played yesterday it's not worth the headache it's not a huge loss for us which I think that's a fair statement if that's if that's the quarterback play that DeShaun Watson's going to put out week in and week out then whether it's him or Winston or DTR it don't really [ __ ] matter if if that's the play take allegations aside if that's the play you're going to get honestly he he shouldn't be your quarterb back in a month anyways he should be your backup that's all you're saying you know what I mean that's all I'm saying so um now if it was just a bad game he comes out lights up the Jags and everything's cool like obviously yes if you I prefaced this before we got into this is saying we're not panicking on the whole season and I didn't say even say I was pressing the panic button I said I might be like inching my chair a little bit closer to the panic button but um I'm not in fullon like going to have a meltdown over the season we still have 16 games left and we have some very winable games coming up yeah well you want to dive into the last piece of news yes and Tony were you the guy who joined the dog pack a little bito I was going to ask him are you a season ticket guy because if you are link up with me man at the games so I I want to give him a shout out but we were like full-fledged like rage mode Tony appreciate you joining the dog uh the uh the Youtube what's it called on here I forget YouTube dog pack also he's in patreon too okay okay he's in our fantasy the other day I guess I can before never I always forget to mention this I completely forget about it but you see the people with like level one in the chat and they have the Browns emojis and stuff there they are YouTube dog pack members and I think it's what 99 cents a month that's it yeah it's a buck so if you like supporting the show and you want like cool Browns emojis for these live chats and everything if you become a YouTube dog pack member it's less than 12 bucks a year 99 cents a month it helps us support the show helps us put out more content and you guys get to use cool brown stuff and you can level up and the more people that join the more emojis we get to unlock and so so M if you guys are interested in that check it out before we do this last piece of news and get out of here I want to do a couple shout outs I forgot to do at the beginning but me and J walked through the mun lot yesterday up and back and everything it was awesome it was a great time wanted to shout out Riley we stopped talked to him he's like you guys do a podcast and he pulled it up on his phone and subscribed right then and there and it was it was awesome shout out to Andrew Thomas and I want to shout out Jared Stevens like one of our biggest fan like you know key contributor fan whatever on Facebook he's always in the comments you know talking up good football conversations and stuff we were walking by and he was like what' he say just pointed at me and I was like what's up man I dapped him up and he was like man I love you [ __ ] guys and I was like you know who the [ __ ] we are and he's like yeah he said his name I was like no [ __ ] dude like this is awesome the coolest part about doing the podcast is like running into people out in the real world yeah and uh like getting to talk to people it's awesome it won't let me join try harder I'm just kidding I don't I'm just [ __ ] with you I don't know I don't know how to do it cuz I've never done it myself maybe if you message us we can guide you through it if yeah I I'll help you guys out we'll get there so if yeah I did uh so George is popping up and saying uh just like as far as talking about like wins and losses and just certain things George I never I thought Baker we had to move on from him I'll address that and then as far as like the wins and losses of how we feel about this team I love this team I love this team when they were o and 16 team man like this is this is nothing we started this podcast after this is the one thing that I love more than anything man there Cleveland sports and I I will never roll over I will never leave I they could go own 16 for the next 20 years and I'm raising my kids to cheer for that crap so um trust me I'm there's no going off the the the bandwagon or any of that I'm all in on the Browns all year I just I want better I just want better man that's all I want yes so last thing before we wrap this thing up uh just on the way in Brown signed uh cadarius Tony what what do you guys think of this do you want my honest opinion yes okay no we want you to lie if it's uh for wide receiver I'm out I'm I don't I just this is the worst this is just to me this isn't it I think it could be interesting as far as a special teams move and maybe even as a running back I think there it's intriguing but for me from what I saw from him he couldn't stay on the field when he did get on the field yeah good to see you Aaron when they did uh when they when they did get uh on the field um I just lost my train I thought what were we talking about CAD Tony CAD Tony yeah uh I just not reliable you know what I mean I think if you can use him as a returner running back as far as like a wide receiver I don't know so I mean for me to bring him in I don't hate it at all I mean he's a situ he's going to be like a situation based guy it's not like he's an every down no player I don't even honestly we might bring him in and he might a game who knows cut next week I don't know to me I a guy with his explosion you know kind of his athletic ability and everything his speed I it's worth kicking the tires in my opinion like because like you said if it doesn't work you just cut him yeah my my first of all Sydney Rob said uh he these are real Browns fans he needed this today or she needed this I'm not sure uh please tell me if you're uh he she you're they uh so so uh cuz I don't know if I'm reading your name correctly and I don't want to just like be wrong but um this is why we're here is literally why we started the podcast so after rough games and I just need to like talk [ __ ] there's people I can talk [ __ ] with and now there's a bunch of you guys to talk [ __ ] with yeah that was the whole premise for the show we're going to do this together in terms of Tony and when you say you don't hate it like I don't hate it in terms of there's ability in there somewhere like be down in there somewhere but it's another guy with that's like not great in the locker room and I already went on a tangent about this with with AB like it we've said a bunch of times you don't I'm a man okay cool I was right what up Sydney LOL tell the picture is very small looks like you're skateboarding that's cool yes I couldn't tell um but the uh um like it's you don't go to NFL rosters to look for priests and people to role model your children and that stuff but at some point when building a roster I do think like character and how you are in the locker room uh do matter and it's just another guy who everywhere he's been has been a locker room headache and we're just bringing him in in a week in which we just got [ __ ] murdered at home our quarterback now has new allegations against them our tight end is uh is weak to week you know one of our stronger lock room leaders is not going to be around you've already got a rookie second round pick on the exemp list for domestic violence and then you go and bring in another and I'm not Tony as far as I know has never had any like off the field is in terms of like that kind of thing but every stop he just hasn't been GR in the locker room and and here's my thing if you can't make it work with Andy Reid and Patrick Mah and Patrick Mahomes you probably don't belong in this league honestly I mean I understand what you're saying like yeah what what chances does Kevin and DeShawn have of getting anything out of this guy probably not a lot but I I I'm I'm with you like the expectations are low I think the the reward could be potentially high and most likely scenario he's not here in a week or two that's it yeah so um that's how I feel about it like if he comes in and he's we use him in the return game or something and he maybe we're going to use him in the return game because we thought Darden looked good yeah you know and he's going to play more wide receiver so we're going to bring him in and he and he turns into like an Elite level kick returner punt returner then good for us but on the surface we've made other moves I've enjoyed more than I know I looked at it this one it didn't it didn't make me feel great about the day it didn't turn my emotion around the other direction just went oh we this we got this guy oh okay um cool so well we're GNA wrap this thing up before I do though R James Earl Jones yeah that's tough bro if anybody if you guys are nerds like we are you guys like hardcore Star Wars um Lion King Lion King Mufasa just you know a couple episodes of The Big Bang Theory you know just um a legend like I didn't even know until you text that I had no clue so um rip James Earl Jones like a guy who helped raise me in terms of the pop culture and movies I watched and still watch all the time yeah so as if this Monday couldn't get any better we lost Darth Vader so that's going to make the the future Darth Vader series or whatever or maybe it was a standalone movie I can't remember what they were planning on doing but I don't I wonder if his family will give like allowance to use his voice because you they got have so much of his voice now that they cani stuff with AI stuff they could do it there can there's not going to be any other Darth Vader that's Darth Vader for until Forever Until there is no Darth Vader that's Darth Vader so uh RP James Earl Jones um R to the Browns week one Yes actually that's a good point rest in peace bury it [ __ ] dead and let's just bury that res next week and let's go here we go again we got this all out of our system Browns fans it was very negative for about an hour and five minutes um and it warranted that but we got it out this was therapy we're turning this episode off we're turning the page we're going to go into next week and hope it's a much better outcome and we'll be doing a joyous celebratory episode on next Monday so we appreciate you guys being here helping us get through this Monday this freaking really rough Monday um we appreciate you guys hanging out uh supporting the show anybody who joins the YouTube dog pack we really appreciate it again if you want to join the the larger dog pack uh Community with a lot of these guys who are in here you're seeing a lot of these same guys in here every single week it's join thedogs.com to become an official dog pack M and you if you guys enjoy these therapy sessions like this live you know show we do on Mondays after the game I mean the Discord that's connected to the patreon to join the dogss that's during the game like these guy were there all week long like all night I mean it is it's 247 therapy really it is and it's not just football we we have very good other discussions and relationships in there as well so it's good stuff if you're looking for Browns fans event with all week that's definitely the place to be so we appreciate you guys being here checking it out um let's stick with our brownies week one it's one of 17 uh almost everybody in division half the leagues own and one so uh we got a long way to go we're not turn we're not you know we're not selling the ship right now now we just got to get better we appreciate you guys being here we'll see you guys hopefully in better spirits next week thanks for listening to another episode of the dogs podcast make sure you subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Twitter at the dogs podcast get your thoughts on the show at 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