okay let's go back though to the issue of the gold mine environment Minister Tanya plec still refusing to explain why she has block the1 billion blay Gold Mine declining to to appear on a panel at the daily telegraphs Bush Summit today well someone who did appear Shadow environment Minister Senator Jon o dunam replaced her and joins me now jonno thank you for your time she was a noow now I reckon that's a shocking look when ministers themselves won't front up and explain their reasons well under the Westminster conventions of responsible democracy Peter of course uh she should have shown up she's made a decision that will change the future of that Community forever that would disadvantage both indigenous and non-indigenous Australians for a very long time and she should have the guts to have shown up and said this is why I've made this decision but the fact is I don't think the reason she's decision stack up and that's why she's not showing up it's a real real let down for the whole Community the reg resources CEO and you can see pictures there of a cardboard cut out of the minister there today Jim berer said The Minister's decisions had sent them back to square one have a listen it's actually quite a difficult task for us now to find a new spot we will look um we don't give up uh but it's going to take us quite some time and as we noted at the time time we were asked we said look um we will have to go and look for it and it could take us 5 to 10 years to find a a new location Capital can move jonno that's the real issue and why spend another five or 10 years going through all the processes here when the when the outcome with the Aboriginal Community up there is just so difficult some for some against and then this late appeal to the minister why won't they just move their money and take it somewhere else and get a gold mine going up somewhere else across the country that's the worry well it is the worry and it's the message that's been sent to so many potential investors across the globe that hey you might comply with every one of our stringent environmental and planning approvals but at the 11th hour we might wheel this section 10 Aboriginal cultural heritage act acts out and cut your project off at the knees that's what happened here and even if they do go back to square one this could happen again they could do another five years of Assessments and consultation and approvals but frankly why would you run the risk so it was important today to note of course that you had Chris M's labor Premier against T puc you had the community the mayor against T puc you had the indigenous Community or part of it at least against tya F said we can't all be wrong there is something wrong with her decision making here and I think she needs to reverse this decision in the interests of our economy that community and the jobs they need she did turn up to radio this afternoon she coped a grilling have a listen Roy Arie he's a senena senior wery leader and he said if the mine was not opposed by the local Aboriginal land Council that they should have been enough for the minister to listen to the recognized Aboriginal party you didn't do that well the Rader traditional owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation are a recognized party withstanding are you sure you haven't been scammed here I'm I'm certain of my decision I took it very seriously Senator what do you make of that uh so certain of her decision she can't tell us why she made it she won't front up to Orange to tell the community why she made it and what she intends to do from here on in and she has been scammed this group uh you've got Roy RC just mentioned doesn't really understand how they can reach this conclusion off the back of the information that's been provided he doesn't know those who Lodge this application the orange Aboriginal land Council the ones that have legislative authority to speak on behalf of country said they were fine with the project and we're worried that this group would hijack this process she has made the wrong decision she has allowed activists to take over the process here and I think it is a political decision it's one that is driven about harvesting green votes in inner city Sydney rather than doing the right thing by the community that need these jobs and frankly if she's not going to reverse her decision or indeed tell us why she made the decision she may as well give up she's making bad decisions on behalf of the people that sent her to CRA it's self-interest too because the biggest attack on her seat is likely to come from the greens this is not about Australia's national interest this is about her own backside in a a seat of Sydney in New South Wales