THE DELPHI CASE: REVISITING ROBERT LINDSAY

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I go over the case all of the issues with the case all of the anomalies with the case and the seemingly Keystone cop investigation but it might not be that at all it might be intentional obfuscation and misdirection by law enforcement or it might be law enforcement corruption with possible complicity involving some of the suspects or Persons of Interest we will be going over as always if you enjoy the podcast and you find it interesting you can donate to our PayPal just check the link in the description help support mck help us get more mind shocking episodes out there to bring awareness not just to this cold case but to other cases missing persons wrongful convictions awareness is the key make sure you like and share the podcast across social media platforms of which you can find us on Twitter Facebook Reddit and patreon patreons do get priority for case topic logical analysis C- podcast request you could also be a guest on the podcast depending on your tier so become a patreon today and support mind shock make sure to subscribe to the channel hit that Bell for notifications questions comments theories St suggestions rebuttal debunkings of any kind leave them in the comment section all right so let's set the stage here with Robert Lindsay on uh Beyond high brow so I'm going to go over information from 2017 then I'm going to go into updated information from 2019 and then I'm going to go into the recent information from the past month or two and cuz I think there are CL Clues hidden early on that may have been forgotten about glossed over disregarded and these particular Clues may be critical in Discerning which in individuals are involved or not involved and possible motivations and uh law enforcement connections obviously we have Derek German who potentially has blown the whistle on many individuals and that is why he got uh reduced sentences charges dismissed outright on someone with his rap sheet it does seem a little unusual unless there was more going on here is he a type of CI does he have connections to other individuals who are truly the guilty parties and is some of this on his part almost almost just wishful thinking in maybe he he's intentionally not considering the possibility that some individuals he's involved with might have wanted retribution of some kind so maybe he's kind of just intentionally deluded himself into thinking it's not possible therefore he's not intentionally deceiving or not going after these people he's kind of almost convinced himself that uh they're not involved therefore he refuses to look cuz he's too scared to open that Pandora's Box and it'd be hard to blame the guy I mean this is I mean obviously this such a tragedy it's a devastating situation no matter how you look at it but let's look at this blog post from Beyond highbrow Robert Lindsay August 30th 2017 Deli murders update August 30th 2017 update on the crime and a profile of a deline murder suspect new deline murders Update note to commenters one I am getting really sick and tired of saying this over and over but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories none of that is presented as fact furthermore I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged I never said they were reliable sources how reliable is a rumor that's for you to determine but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source and they are not treated as such below and just my own quick note here how often do rumors early on in True Crime cases turn out to be true I mean I just recently covered the T Tara Calico case you haven't checked that out check that out rumors of the the sheriff's son being involved or people connected to the sheriff I mean it it's just crazy how many cases rumors ended up being true that's my only point there not that these specific rumors are true but they could be true so to dismiss them outright of course we have condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance that doesn't mean you need to believe the rumors there's no reason to believe or disbelieve and I don't know why that's so triggering for so many coincidence theorist out there that just think everything is rumor and conspiracy I'm not alleging it's true or untrue so it's kind of it's kind of silly and a logical to just jump to either side of the spectrum without doing the actual work without doing The Logical investigation which is what we're doing here the rest of what we are reporting are in general our hypothesis about the crime these hypothesis have changed several times in the course of this investigation but that's the way all detective work is if you don't want to be wrong don't be a detective because being a detective is all about being wrong so our hypothesis are just that if you are not sure what a hypothesis is go look it up it's just a guess or a hunch that you are setting out to prove we do not believe we have proved much about this crime yet but we do have a lot of hypotheses going all of those hypothesis are by their nature temporary and may be changed at any time if they are born out then they will become more permanent the only thing that is presented as fact are statements sourced from law enforcement or the media and again caveat that is not factual necessarily either just because someone in an official capacity reported something doesn't mean it's true especially from law enforcement we received so many directly conflicting statements obviously that's not a fact either if you have issues with rumors theories opinions hypothesis Etc just quit reading right now and get off my site and don't come back you will not be missed note to commenters too I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls I have no sources whatsoever in law enforcement local or otherwise there you go what I do have is soures close to the families these people generally live in Deli and the surround ing region so that makes my rumors even more Haight I'm not even talking to the families I'm talking to people who talk to the families of course I have no law enforcement sources I thought I made that clear never have yes I have talked to some of them but of course they didn't tell me a thing a couple times they told me that a certain person was a person of interest or that a certain person has been cleared with an airtight Alibi and again another caveat here just because law enforcement believ someone has an airtight Alibi does not mean they do law enforcement are human beings they are fallible and if they're taking as airtight the words of another individual is that really airtight and what constitutes airtight is there security footage of individual in question for the entirety of the Span in which the crime could have occurred which we don't even really have a time of death do we we don't have the Corner's report we don't have any of this information so as of right now there there are really very few facts I suppose they don't mind giving out that information but other than that they don't tell me Jack it's hard enough to even get them to call you back I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay they would say I am sorry but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation that's how bad it is so what do I have once again I have sources who are close to law enforcement they get their information from law enforcement then they talk to me so once again this is even more heay as I am not even talking to law enforcement but to the people who are talking to law enforcement I really wish people would quit claiming I have law enforcement or family sources I just don't if you think I have these sources or if you have any problems at all with my sources just quit reading my stuff right now and get off my site you will not be missed Charming fella this guy is note to commenters three the lies never end the latest is Lindsay takes other people's theories and claims their his own of course I don't this website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the net regarding this crime I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better all sorts of theories have been flying around since day one I report those two the theories are really just more rumors I'd say the vast majority of the rumors theories reported here were thought up by other people I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime that's how it works you know you get theories about the crime from others yes you use your own theories and you use other people's theories I really do not have the time to go down the list of theories and say where I got them from I have come up with a few of my own but even with those I guess someone else thought of them first also a lot of theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths if you think I steal other people's ideas a laughable concept on its own or have problems with me reporting rumors get off the site right now you will not be missed okay so all of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password protected Forum where our team of 200 web sleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect including videos and many photographs this is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Deli Indiana on February 13th 2017 in also contains some new evidence on the crime and a new rundown of the crime itself new information but first of all we have some new important information on a vehicle of interest in the crime more on the vehicle of interest in the case in the last report we detailed the vehicle we believe is the vehicle of interest in this case the photo below is a photo of this VII this vehicle is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates it was seen 7 miles south of Deli on the morning of this crime we are not sure who the man in the photo is but we feel he may be the man on the bridge the woman who lived here thought this vehicle was suspicious so she wrote down the license plate we believe this license number with the paper plates was either stolen or given to this man in cacom we traced the license plate back to komomo but we could not get any further information previously we thought this man rented this car we now believe that this man May own this vehicle the voi in the crime is said to be a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates it was last seen at the trail head by a witness at approximately 300 p.m. on February 13th which was exactly the time that this crime was occurring allegedly of course we actually don't know that that's not a fact as you can see the vehicle in this photo and the voi in the case have the same descriptions both are described as late model white Dodge Darts with paper plates we believe that the car below is the same car that was used in the crime 6 hours later on the bridge in Deli it stands to reason that this man may be the man on the bridge but we can't prove that yet I can tell you who this man was visiting though this man was visiting a woman's son at This Woman's House the son lives a ways away but was visiting his mother at the time the man in the white car was reportedly visiting a man named BH at this home we have no information whatsoever on whether BH was involved in the crime that occurred later at the moment we have little reason to suspect that he was however he does have a criminal record and was arrested only a few days after the murders we do not understand the relationship between BH and the man with the white car we have no idea how they know each other or the reason for the visit that morning as we now believe that this car is owned by this man and not rented we now believe that the man on the bridge may have used his own car to commit the crime however he tried to cover it up by putting fake paper plates over his real plates we have assed suspect who was rumored to drive a late model white Dodge Dart but we have not been able to prove that he actually has a car like that it's only a rumor we have been working to try to figure it out but car ownership information is hard to come by there are new reports coming in that the voi was seen by more people than just this one woman there are now reports that several people saw that car there at the bridge that day the reason we think The Late Model white Dodge Darts Dodge Dart with paper plates is the voi is because to our knowledge this is the only car seen that day that has not been cleared so I'm assuming that they're operating under the information that the black SUV with all the the stickers in the rear window was cleared and there's of course conflicting information on that as well now just to keep this in order there's actually not a ton of information regarding this white Dodge Dart again there's so much conflicting information here but I'm going to go to paper blog.com and this is an update July 23rd 2017 and so this is prior to the August 30th uh blog that I was just reading so I will just go over this real quick quick this is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Del Indiana February 13th 2017 it also contains some new information okay the vehicle and a new photo that shows Bridge man stalking the girls vehicle of Interest the vehicle so it is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates this vehicle was spotted by a witness at the North End of the bridge at 300 p.m. on the day of the murders 2hour knowledge this is the only vehicle at the bridge that was not cleared so we assume it was the bridge man's car we believe the car was a rental car and the paper plates were stolen and again in the update they believe it was they now believe it was his car this same vehicle was also spotted 7 miles south of Deli at 7:00 a.m. on the morning of the murders at a woman's home the suspect was visiting a young man at the woman's home the woman thought that the suspect look suspicious so she photographed him and wrote down his license number so this is interesting so again this is before the crime so a woman just thinks this guy suspicious so she photographed him and took down his license number we have that license number and we have several photographs of this vehicle with the suspect standing next to the trunk so he's that suspicious that this woman photographed him we believe that the car photographed in this vehicle was the same car used in the crime we have in okay so they uh they traced it to the nearby city of komomo we believe that the suspect either stole the plate in cacoma or someone provided to him at the time of the crime the license plate was still valid but it expired in April we believe these plates have probably been discarded this information has been shared with law enforcement but we have no idea if law enforcement agrees with us that this is the voi in the crime this is simply the car that the Beyond highbrow team of approximately 2 websleuths believes is the voi we have reason to believe that law enforcement they be interested in this Photograph although they have not made any statements to us about these photos nevertheless we feel that if you recognize the man in the photo or if you saw this vehicle or license number around the time of the crime we think you should notify law enforcement we also believe that you should give us any such information okay if you feel you are the man in the photo or that this is your vehicle then we feel you should go to law enforcement and inform them of that so you are no longer Under Suspicion nevertheless we have serious doubts that an innocent man vehicle or license number is being portrayed in this photo it is correct that law enforcement has not released any information about this photo but perhaps they may in the future although these photos have been released on some Facebook forums they have sparked little interest we have been holding these photos for a long time and we were afraid to release for fear of interfering with the investigation however with the release of the composite and after thinking long and hard I am having a hard time understanding how releasing the this information harms the case instead it may well prompt more tips also MSM news sites May pick up on the story which may prompt even more tips of course if law enforcement requests that we take the photos and information down we will comply so again in these photos it is it's kind of hard to tell what's going on here it's a guy at a trunk I mean you really these are not the most high resolution photographs in either way but you they really I mean there's really not much that can be gleaned here but let me continue here the photo was taken at 7 a.m. 7 mil south of Deli 8 hours before the deli murders occurred in that same town or allegedly occurred the person was at a woman's house visiting a friend okay new photo of the bridg man stalking the girls before the crime we believe that Bridgeman can be seen in Libby's photo of Abby walking on the bridge although he is very hard to make out he is hiding behind a tree to her right we have enlarged the photograph and circled the bridg man hiding behind a tree we feel this is the bridg man because the figure behind the tree matched the bridge man perfectly in the color of his clothing that is kind of creepy but yeah it's it's just so hard to make out it's so hard if you study this photo very closely you will see that the shadow behind the tree is a man-shaped figure further the shape of his body is identical to the shape of the man on the Bridge's body furthermore if you look even more closely you will see that based on the different colors of clothing of the man in the shadow the man behind the tree is wearing the exact same colored clothing as the man on the bridge therefore we conclude the shadow is the man on the bridge watching Abby on the bridge and stalking her very shortly before the bridge attack here's a second photo from the exact same location as the one with Abby in the bridge below notice that there is no Shadow hiding behind the tree why was it present in one photo missing in another I mean again you'd have to match up the exact times that was taken Etc a suggestion is that it was a shadow that was there only on that day that is improbable and a further blow up of the photo shows that to be false as it clearly shows what the object is H yeah I mean yeah it's it's tough it's tough we believe that this photo shows the man on the bridge hiding behind a tree watching Abby as she walks on the bridge the actual murders items owned by the girl several items of jewelry were stolen by the Killer and $15 to $20 was also stolen there is a rumor that one girl had a backpack and the killer may have discarded it as he was leaving the scene the backpack has never been found we doubt if Libby's phone was recovered by law enforcement we believe all of the information on the phone was taken from the cloud before the phone died we believe her phone was taken by the killer we continue to believe that he may have disposed of it in a Gravel Pit Lake on the mir's property next door to Ron Logan's property we do not believe that law enforcement has yet searched or drained this Lake they would probably need a serious warrant to do that and I doubt if the mayors wish to give law enforcement permission to search or drain the lake and that's an interesting point though because when did they get the phone did they find the phone at a later point and then they just didn't say when they recovered it exactly why okay the audio tape of the crime only 6 minutes of the 40-minute video is known after you hear the killer say down the hill while they're assuming that's the killer saying down the hill you hear the sounds of people walking through the forest for several minutes I guess this is just Source from rumors you also hear the muffled voices of more than one person talking at this time although it is hard to make out what anyone is saying towards the end of the 6 minutes you hear them man and the girls crossing the creek which was knee high where they crossed I'll bet icy cold I don't know where they got this information so this is a group of around 200 webs loose so I'm I'm assuming they talk to people who listen to this 6 minutes so did law enforcement tell them there was 40 minutes and they played 6 minutes we believe the actual attack started after the three had crossed the creek it is unknown what prompted the attack the first attack consisted of a knife attack to the back of the neck of one of the girls the victim went down right after this attack at some time around this period you hear both girls screaming on the audio probably before the attack took place why no one heard these screams is not known it is not known what is on the rest of the audio but it appears to consist of the sounds of the two murders taking place both murders were apparently caught on audio INF full again I guess this is a combination of multiple sources of information rumor or not okay rumors and they did not classify this under rumor so next so on this uh paper blog.com they are classifying the rumors after the information I just went over regarding the tape so this is their classification again I'm not saying any of this is true or untrue I have no idea rumors the following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt however the rumors in bold are apparently true to the best of our knowledge probably or fully true rumors both girls were disrobed either partially or fully one was naked but the other had a top on both girls were bottomless and the panties of both girls were found at some distance from the crime scene some of the girls clothing was found in the creek and again I am going to do another aside here because I've I've referenced the thermal imaging drone that did not pick up the bodies because if they were there only only within hours of murder being murdered and body temperature maintains between 30 minutes to 3 hours and then it drops between 1 to 1.5° per hour so they would clearly show up on a thermal imaging drum unless the Drone was not working uh the operator has said it was working very well he could see all the people and deer even so the other thing is would they not find anything during their search in the creek now the area where the bodies were found again there's no there are no leaves on the trees this area is visible from from many points uh the person who allegedly found the bodies uh found them from the creek so they were Magic not there until the next morning again I don't know this information is unknown I am not alleging something is true untrue it's just very curious how nothing seems to add up logically so the clothing was found in a spot that was previously searched I again I don't know what to make of that either way back to the uh rumors here so they're stating here this is probably or fully true one girl was propped up up against a tree in a sitting position one girl had the top half of her body covered with leaves blood and dirt under Liberty's Nails dirt under aby's Nails aby's Nails badly torn up one girl has an F carved or burned into her chest police believe that Libby had four to five chances to escape but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster in real life they were inseparable more uncertain but plausible rumors at some point at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun at least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object possibly a rock and again if some of somewh all of this is true it does point to more than one perpetrator cuz if I I would assume I mean I guess theoretically it's possible an individual could use multiple weapons a knife a gun and a rock all separately on his VI I mean I guess that is possible but a stake was driven vertically into the abdomen of one of the girls from the killer who was standing over her body this is another persistent rumor that we have made great efforts to refute but still have not been able to do so this stake to the stomach is one of the reasons for the consistent rumor rumors that one of the girls was pregnant it is not known if either girl was in the early stages of pregnancy however this is a persistent rumor that we have not been able to refute despite our best efforts to do so the rumor initially stated that one girl was pregnant but now it says that the other girl was pregnant another rumor is that part of the attack was set off by the killer becoming enraged when he found out one girl was pregnant how he found this out is not known but perhaps she told him in an effort to spare her life okay so I'm I'm I'm assuming this means that the rumors are coming from someone who knows the murderer and he relayed this information the killer used some sort of strong chemical to destroy any of his DNA left the scene the killer used shackles to Shackle the two girls together and he may have used chloroform to knock them out the girls were posed in the crime scene okay inconsistent rumors there are inconsistent rumors of whether the girls were sexually assaulted or not one rumor says they were and in fact it goes into some detail about what happened during and after the assault we will not go into the details of this rumor at the moment for obvious reasons but the latest rumor apparently from the excellent source is that the girls were not sexually assaulted the bridg man and the suspect too many coincidences we believe that that the bridg man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town the suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time around the period of the mid 80s to the mid90s he was employed in the maintenance department where he where he was employed as an electrician we believe that the bridg man is a fisherman the suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism although the bridg man is said to be wearing a fanny pack in the bridge photo he is actually wearing what is called a deer kit this typically contains scissors knives etc for cutting up the game that the hunter has killed and the bridg man's pack may have contained similar items he may have used some of these items to cut up the girls the bridg man is definitely left-handed the suspect is also left-handed actually he is ambidextrous but he prefers his left hand we know the bridg man is Left-Handed because he has a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side with a semi-automatic pistol in it we know the bridg man has a gun on him as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket we believe that the bridg man's gun is either unregistered or stolen if stolen we believe he may have stolen it from Ron Logan somehow if this is true we do not understand this aspect of the case the bridg man is Bowlegged the suspect is also bowlegged probably from extensive horse riding as a youth this is one reason we favor an Amish or German Baptist connection for the suspect because the Amish ride horses everywhere the bridg man is duck footed that is his feet go outward when he walks the suspect is also duck footed the bridg man has an injury to his left knee which is obvious in the moving images of him walking on the bridge the suspect also has a serious injury to his left knee has several deep stitches on it and sometimes wears a brace we have a photograph of the suspect scarred knee and a photograph of the suspect wearing what appears to be a knee brace on his left knee the bridg man is 50 to 60 years old the suspect is 52 years old the bridg man is 58 to 510 and weighs 180 to 200 lb the suspect is 5'8 and when last weighed was 170 lb but that was a few years ago and he seems to have gained weight after his recent release from prison the bridg man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates that rickety frightening Bridge being an avid Outdoorsman the suspect has been in great shape his whole life but he has recently developed a Ponch as a recent middle-age development the bridg man smokes and is smoking during the crime he may also smoke cigarillos as a cigarillo rapper was found at the scene the suspect also smokes and he does smoke cigarillos we have a video of the suspect smoking a cigarillo and okay just a quick aside Point here with this is it possible rapper was nearby the scene and was at the scene before the girls were put to the scene and has nothing to do with the crime again this is the Wilderness there's rappers and and various trash that can be found that's not too far away from Trails so the other thing we haven't really discussed is it possible someone stumbled upon the crime scene that was not responsible for the crime but didn't report it out of fear Poss they're a criminal so if yeah it's tough to to Really account for a lot of these variables is it possible someone stumbled across the scene a criminal and then they left and some of the rumors were from this individual that did not want to report it to the police or or say that he found it even though he did even if he was not involved in the crime in any way but carrying on here the suspect was photographed the night before the crime in Indianapolis we have two of these photographs in one of these photographs the suspect is standing next to a white compact car we believe that a white compact vehicle was used by bridg man to commit this crime we believe that these photographs were used by the suspect to foreshadow the crime he may have intended to commit the next day by leaving tantalizing Clues which is something he loves to do in the number and strangeness of the tantalizing Clues the suspect leaves about his purported crimes the suspect REM resembles the Zodiac killer BTK and others the suspect also likes to ridicule and mock law enforcement and do law enforcement know that during the press conferences when they believe that he was in the room and they believe they've even talked to him or interviewed him in some capacity that's interesting if this case ever goes to trial it may go down in history on the same level as those other crimes where the criminal left Clues behind to tease and taunt law enforcement the suspect suspect's back background and life story the suspect resides within a 20m radius of deli and continues to reside there at this moment the suspect is a former resident who grew up in Deli right around the area of the crime and still knows all of the land owners around there including Ron Logan Marvin Sandifer the Mires and Ivan brumal the suspect is either Amish shund or German Baptist or is strongly associated with of those communities he knows the area around the crime scene including Logan's land Deer Creek itself and the bridge like the back of his hand the suspect has a low education level but probably graduated from high school the suspect has a very messy divorce with his ex-wife including violent child custody issues the suspect did a short stint in prison for badly assaulting his ex-wife the suspect has a long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stins and one short prison stin all crimes were committed in Indiana crimes were mostly repeated drunk driving but also invading the home of menacing and badly beating up an ex-wife all of his Ex-Wives how many does he have have no contact orders against him which implies domestic violence on his part in terms of crimes for which he has not been caught he has engaged in petty theft the suspect is no longer employed but in the past he worked a different jobs including handyman and electrician social aspects the suspect has strong warm feelings towards his two grown children and seems to have a great relationship with them the suspect has a new girlfriend about his age who may be a native of the region she is a kind sweet gentle lady who absolutely adores the suspect and nearly worships him as a god they appear to have a stable warm loving relationship she is completely clueless about his dark side but he is good at hiding that anyway relations with the ex-wife are not known although both the suspect and the ex-wife recently showed up for his son his son's High School graduation some say that the suspect has strong hatred for his ex-wife but this is uncertain the suspect has a circle of warm friends with whom he has good relations these are very masculine tough hard outdoor men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up he's fooling them all the suspect can seem quite warm and friendly like your best friend he is easy to befriend and when he befriended and when befriended seems charming and disarming and seems increasingly harmless the more you get to know him psychological profile the suspect has an access to Cluster B pathology the suspect is a psychopath and has narcissism narcissistic personality disorder malignant narcissism the suspect has access has no axis one disorders he is not psychotic in in fact he is very sane almost too sane and that is part of how he gets away with his purported crimes there are no signs of mood disorder the suspect appears calm with little or no anxiety issues the suspect is strongly heterosexual although rage and hatred towards females seems apparent with the crime the suspect may have committed these feelings are otherwise not obvious in his life the suspect sometimes displays hostility to women a lot of men do this when provoked but he does it with little provocation and his reactions are quite extreme often including vague rape and death threats the suspect is very masculine in the manner of many middle-aged men in the area he is a hard ass a tough guy who uses foul language and has a rough and sometimes menacing way of speaking the suspect seems normal but the following adjectives also describe him well sneaky devious unreadable slick bad boy naughty playful Outlaw gleam in his eye and rebellious he appears to be hiding something or keeping some sort of secret there is a general feeling of what you see is not what you get he is a chameleon in a few different ways he is an enigma puzzling and very hard to figure out an actor who sees Life as a series of roles he does not appear suspicious at all to most observers instead he hides in plain sight and blends right in with Society he is very capable of fooling people an Academy Award actor who sees life as an endless series of roles to be played based on whatever the needs of the given situation may be the suspect is capable of fooling people so easily because he is a sneaky devious underhanded conspiring and plotting man most of his actions are well plotted and planned even calculated to the point of being choreographed The Suspect displays little spontaneity other than regular rages his IQ is surely within 84 to 116 normal range 2/3 of the population and probably within the 90 to 100 10 range half the population though he may be towards the lower end however the suspect is much more intelligent than he appears and possesses a sheer animal devious and utterly cunning intelligence in terms of this sort of intelligence he has a genius IQ he is a very hard man to fool and he is an expert at reading others the suspect has a violent hair trigger temper which can be set off at any time with little provocation although he has committed acts of serious violence in the past this temper nevertheless generally takes a verbal rather than physical form and consists of Menace threats stalking harassment terrorizing and intimidation the suspect takes little or no responsibility for his actions and blames others for everything he attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense the suspect is a pathological liar truth is mixed in with lies and fabrications to the point where he believes his own lies and even gets caught in them reactions when caught in his pathological lying are temper tantrums rap ranting and veed threats via angry and menacing language in his court cases the suspect engaged in Shameless pathological defense of lying and blaming of others the suspect has the following life themes you can't win they've got it in for me life is a game I'm fooling them suspect verbal style the suspect has a versatile verbal style and can seem sentimental poetic moving and even philosophical he is capable of fooling people into thinking he is a person who car cares deeply about life's small and kind wonders verbal defenses are denial rage Rants and especially redirection other defenses include an excellent ability at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important for this he utilizes red herrings irrelevancies redirection Minor Details fussing wrong turns wrong directions wrong way streets red herrings and misdirection he also uses countless aliases and even steals identities to make new aliases the suspect is also Al a Storyteller and likes to tell long rambling colorful Mark Twain style stories that tell it like it is about what seemed to be ordinary people in ordinary communities but in fact are anything but that he can be quite entertaining in this role he turns off some who find him a quasi literate blowhard but others find him quite entertaining as his stories could be seen as Charming the motivation for this crime is hard to figure out but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers although there is no evidence yet that Bridgeman has killed other people he certainly may have hence we believe he is a serial killer type instead of a serial killer in that case the motivation for the crime is of a sexually sadistic Psychopathic serial type appearance lifestyle habits beliefs opinions the suspect has one large tattoo on his upper right front shoulder we do not know what this is a tattoo of Lifestyle the suspect has some sort of gang ties with the Arian Brotherhood possibly as a result of his incar eration we have photographs of the suspect throwing Arian Brotherhood gang signs nevertheless we have little evidence that he's a white supremacist and on his Facebook page he comes across as an anti-racist even a coastal liberal variety he may have only joined the ab for protection in prison the suspect appears to be a Carefree practical joker who lives a playful laid-back easygoing lifestyle where most things are jokes and little is to be taken seriously Life of the Party habits the suspect is a regular drug user he mostly uses marriage aana which he enjoys a lot we also believe he may be deeply involved in methamphetamine even to the point of manufacture and dealing the suspect was formerly a very heavy drinker and many problems especially legal ones resulted from this we believe he may no longer drink beliefs and opinions the suspect's philosophical Outlook can be summed up as a cynical one that humans or animal are lousy animals driven by low Bas interests and who are corrupt at their core he accuses enforcement and small town government people in the midwest as corrupt he paints of Tobacco Road sleeves in the underbelly of Mayberry RFD small town White America is offended cynical fatalistic and somewhat disgusted the good citizen outraged by sleazy on thepresent corruption the suspect has a very low opinion of law enforcement at Deli in the surrounding area as he claims that they ran him out of town as a criminal Pest and chronic drunk driving offender he has a grudge against local law enforcement the suspect's political beliefs are quite liberal he comes across as a sort of Aging hippie type unusual for Indiana suspect role in the investigation the suspect has inserted himself deeply in the investigation to an almost unprecedented degree he is now one of the most well-known people who are trying to find the killer in part this is being done to try to divert attention away from himself but another Factor seems to be narcissism possibly even malignant narcissism which means he can't help himself he also loves the Limelight the sound of his own voice is something of a publicity hounds likes the idea that he is hiding right under the noses of everyone and getting away with it and thinks this is some sort of joke the suspect's attitude toward the investigation is hard to figure we believe he is nervous and fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a hilarious game of cat Mouse he's fooling law enforcement in all of society getting away with murder and hiding right under their noses he also seems to be playing a game of nener nener I'm the Killer and you'll never catch me haha in this sense he resembles the Zodiac and BTK the suspect sought out law enforcement early in the investigation in order to leave a tip we have a video of him calling in this phone tip we believe he did this as part of a plan to frame an innocent man we believe he was originally going to commit this crime and then lay low but changed after he was photographed and recorded on audio over the next month he then formulated an elaborate case to try to frame an innocent man a former workmate who he had a falling out with this consisted of a very long and elaborate Theory which did not make much sense on examination further the man he attempted to frame did not seem to like the type did not seem like the type to do such a crime he also included a number of videos as part of this plan he then went out on the internet and tried to promulgate this Theory out a number of websites and on Facebook and YouTube he was fairly successful at this until some people started catching on to his scheme okay so let's uh go back to the original update reportedly a photo of a white compact car near the monah High Bridge on the day of the murders however this car does not match up to the white vehicle photographed in front of the woman's house there are suggestions that this photo may not have even been taken on that day or in that place it has been traced back to a woman who is trying to frame her ex-husband for this crime so this photo May simply be a photo of his vehicle bottom line is this photo has no relevance to the case okay that's a m shock so is this Dodge Dart photo does that explain why this particular woman randomly photographed this guy her ex-husband and his vehicle and then tried to tie it to the deli case as some kind of opportunity frame job again I don't know I don't know and how did they determine that either way continuing on here despite the red herring and the dead end regarding the photo above we are hearing that more people are coming forward saying that they say a that they say a white late model Dodge Dart with paper plates at the bridge around the time of the crimes but no photos have emerged yet of this vehicle at Monon bridge that day so did this did this woman simply have an ex-husband that also had a white Dodge Dart I mean that's not the most that's not the most rare vehicle in the world although it it's it wasn't incredibly popular either there were in 2012 there were 25,33 Dodge Darts sold in 2013 there were 83,84 in 2014 83,8 58 in 2015 87,000 392 in 2016 44,50 and uh in 2017 10,800 uh 10,082 so yeah it's it's not that popular either now what percentage of those were white apparently there were only 12 colors there were two white colors bright white and bright silver so the whites were roughly 12.25 5% of Global Production numbers for example in 2013 so somewhere between 10 to 15% white so yeah it's not the rarest car but it's also not it's not a Camry or Corola either so yeah I mean I don't know maybe there's something there and it definitely worth pursuing it's it's rare enough to the point where there there might not be tens of thousands of them or even thousands of them I mean there's probably a limited number of white late model Dodge Darts in the deli area at the time so perhaps perhaps there is something there I don't know now if this woman who wanted to get back at her ex if her ex happened to have one of these white Dodge Darts did she take that opportunity to try to make life difficult for him who knows you know what would be kind of crazy if if if she didn't if he really was involved but she didn't know that and she was just trying to make his life difficult because she didn't like him that that that would be truly mind shocking but okay so let's continue on here there are different stories regarding the woman who took these photos and the Man in the photo the woman was reportedly shown a number of photos of different men and asked if any of them were the man with the white car when shown a photo of our suspect the woman supposedly pulled her car over to the side of the road leaned out the car door and vomited so she had a very violent involuntary reaction to a photo of our suspect however before this happened she was shown a number of photos of possible persons who the man by the white car might be and the woman was saying yes to all of them obviously they are not all the men by the white car unfortunately this witness has serious credibility issues okay more about the home where the photo was taken unfortunately This Woman's home and life's involvement in this tale is not over the day before the killings two persons came over to visit her daughter these persons okay the two picked up picked her up and took off to go to the woods by the bridge supposedly to cook up methamphetamine okay all right so if this is all true is the coincidence stack kind of crazy so this woman now she's not named and uh the day before the murders two people come over to visit her daughter and they just randomly go near the mon on high bridge to cook meth the next day this random guy with the white Dodge Dart who happens to be her ex-husband is at her house I mean I don't know what's what's going on here we're we're we're going really far into M shock land now the notion that there were meth cookers in the woods that afternoon led to all sorts of what I call the meth Theory most involved these dealers and cookers and apparently the three people above killing the two girls for all sorts of possible reasons mostly that the girls happened upon the math cooking operation these theories in general are no good and I reject all of them nevertheless over the period of 2 between 2 and 12 a.m. and 2 and between 2112 215 these three were gone and were reportedly cooking meth at some point during this time frame but it's not exactly known when or where all of these people were high out of their minds on meth and heroin for 3 days and all used the benzo dipine that is known for pretty much erasing your memory the daughter came home late on 215 beaten up and complained that she had been beaten and gang raped and at some point over this period okay wow so there are people cooking meth in the woods near the bridge there's all these possible assaults and rapes going on all within these two days this is really bizarre people thought this may have happened in the woods maybe when the girls were being killed but this gang rape probably occurred elsewhere probably in someone's home so it's just randomly happening at the same time that Libby and Abby are being killed at the same time there is rumored to be a photo of men on their knees with their pants down kneeling around the body of a naked woman for some time people wondered if this was a photo of what was done in the girls but now it appears that if this photo exists it depicts this gangrape of this woman's daughter and not any rape or murder of the girls weird okay so this woman's daughter was reportedly a willing partner in the gang rape as it was done as a gang initiation to initiate her into some gang now what does willing mean if they're all on meth out of their minds is she able to knowingly consent if they're all on meth I mean I don't know doesn't that impair your judgment to the point that you would technically not be able to legally consent to something the gang appears to be an Argan Brotherhood white supremacist organization but it is not the Aran Brotherhood instead it is some local group not affiliated with them after the initiation This Woman's daughter became the property of the gang and they could do whatever they wanted to her they could sell her give her way to other people force her to prostitute herself all sorts of things that definitely sounds like a gang you want to join right as a result of the gang rape in which this other individual probably participated the woman's daughter was given to this individual by the gang her boyfriend for the next 6 weeks but apparently she was forced into this relationship when she returned home the woman called the police on all of them and one of these individuals was arrested that day February 15th on meth charges in the aftermath of the 3-day ordeal the woman's daughter reportedly confessed in part to the murder of the girls okay so is this one of the reasons why law enforcement has been relatively tight lied if there's some kind of meth ring gang with all of this going on and they were so high on drugs they don't know exactly what happened and they're confessing but there's no evidence what would law enforcement do in that situation would they release this evidence to the public or not this is pretty this is kind of bizarre So This Woman's daughter the the woman who apparently took a photo of her ex-husband with this white Dodge Dart her daughter is supposedly part of this methine gang operation so she reportedly confessed in part to the murder of the girls she stated that she wanted to know what it felt like to stab someone so she stabbed someone she did not know who she stabbed when or where now here's the crazy part if these people really are on meth completely out of their minds and they're just these black spots in their memory and they truly can't remember wow I mean this is crazy would that occur for the case not being able to be solved but the problem is what about the evidence wouldn't there be evid physical evidence of this if it really did occur furthermore all of their minds were as good as erased for the 3-day period due to the benzo ingestion I am not sure if her confession has been turned into the police so I guess she confessed to someone else not the okay so maybe the police don't know this okay or it was reported to the police they didn't take it seriously is that is that a possibility we believe this is a false confession the result of a beating a gang rpe and 3 days of heavy drug use anyway she has no details about the stabbing furthermore she does not seem capable of murdering these girls uh the individuals she was with are pretty lousy men but from what I know about them I can't see them murdering these girls especially for no particular reason the woman has been interviewed by both the FB and the Indiana State Police huh we do not know what has come of this but our information is that law enforcement does not believe the meth theory of the murders is a valid hypothesis as far as this woman's daughter goes at some point she was sold to a man up in Wisconsin she had to go up there and live with this man who bought her for a month or so later she was in rehab this woman makes a lot of dubious choices has terrible friends and his gotten herself into a heap of trouble but I don't think she's a murderer okay the actual murders rumors the following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt however the rumors and italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge Pro okay so we went over these previously okay all of these rumors okay new rumors there's are some shocking new rumors that have recently surfaced the Blockbuster is from the wife of a law enforcement officer who was working on the case her husband could not sleep at night and he finally broke down and told her what was done to the girls the law enforcement officer reported that branches or bundles of sticks had been shoved into the girls genitals furthermore the girls had numerous stab wounds and branches or stick bundles were shoved into these two there had been a long-standing rumors that one of the girls had a stake rammed into her from above we have been attacked viciously for reporting this we may have tried very hard to negate that rumor but we have never been able to do so now with this new rumor it seems finally that there was something to the stake rumor all along another is the involvement of a large knife with a gut hook in this crime after the crime happened law enforcement were asking around at local hardware stores if anyone had bought a large knife with a gut hook recently they asked this at the CVS near the bridge there are two possibilities here one is that a knife like this was used on the girls and law enforcement were able to determine this by looking at the nature of the wounds the other possibility is that the killer used this knife in the crime and then left it at the scene for whatever reason at the moment we favor the theory that the knife was left at the scene by the killer but there's no hard evidence one way or the other we also have new information about the witnesses who saw the bridge man in the area that day who were used to draw the composite one wonders where the witnesses saw the bridg man one rumor says he was seen parked in his car next to the cemetery the other stories are simply that a few people saw the bridge man around the bridge at the time okay the bridg man and our suspect too many coincidences we believe that the bridg man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town the suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time from the mid 90s to the mid 2000s and may have retained work boots from that job we believe that the bridg man is a fisherman the suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism the bridg man is definitely left-handed the suspect is also left-handed actually he's ambidextrous but prefers his left hand and we actually went over all of this info of their suspect we believe that the bridg man's gun is an M1911 early model pre 1986 as far as how this gun was acquired one theory is that this gun was purchased also from the Amish as they have many such guns available for cheap the other possibility is that Bridgeman stole this gun from Ron Logan of all people in December Logan had many guns stolen from his house by a young druggy woman he had living there if this gun is stolen from Logan it may be from this Heist as no doubt these stolen guns were distributed around we are not sure at the moment which of these two theories is true or even if either of them are however we believe that the type of model number and year is correct and the ultimate Providence of this gun May well have been via a purchase from the Amish as you can see above the bridg man has three different objects that we believe may have been purchased from the is we believe that the bridg man has some connection to the Amish community he is either Amish himself possibly shunned Amish or he grew up around the Amish and German Baptists and knows them very well indeed we believe the bridg man grew up in Deli not far from where the crime occurred next we move on to another object in the bridg man's possession that has caused a lot of puzzlement no one quite knows what this object is we had a few hypothesis of what it was but they did not test out well we believe we have now settled in an excellent theory of what this object is see the photo above and also the longer distance photo of the bridge man above to see the object for yourself it is definitely there it is a strange rectangular object that is somehow strapped to the bridge guy's left pant leg when we blew up this photo at first all we saw was a strange W object we had no idea what it was one of our sleuths asked at work and a woman at work said she thought it was something called a net fishing bag that's Fisher sometimes use she had one herself but we still needed to explain the rectangular object at the net fishing bag did not explain it well upon rotating the object we were able to see it better now we could see a bag-shaped object the net fishing bag enclosed enclosing the rectangular object but that but what was the rectangular object via this view we decided that the rectangular object was a knife carrying kit with knives in it we counted three knives in the kit based on the shape we felt that they were fishing filet knives so the rectangular object is a net fishing bag with a knife carrying kit inside with three fishing filet knives the photo below shows some of the type of knives that may be inside this knife kit if this theory of the object is valid more things become clear the bridg man may very well be a fisherman after all he has a fishing kit on him he may also be a hunter based on the deer kit on the other hand deer kits like that are sometimes also called a fisherman's kit We Believe another key to the crime is fishing fish and fisherman next we'll move on to the bridg man's boots first of all we believe he is wearing boots and not sneakers or tennis shoes the boots are black notice the white stripe going all around the boots now look closely at the boots below several days after the crime law enforcement released this photo of these boots in an Evidence bag then they said that the boots had nothing to do with the crime but law enforcement always says things like that a couple of days before Indiana State Police had raided Indiana Packers the stated reason was a bomb threat but we believe there was no bomb threat instead that was just an excuse to shut down the Plant and raid after law enforcement were done with the raid they walked away with a pair of Indiana Packers work boots a few days later a photo of these boots is released innocently to the media however they are in an Evidence bag obviously law enforcement felt these were the model of boots the bridg man was wearing when we blow up the bridg man's boots we see now that his black boots with the white stripe all around them are an excellent match for the boots in the evidence bag the blowup of the bridge man below is interesting for two reasons first of all he is not smoking something in that photo the cigarette in the right of his mouth was photoshopped in it is not known if the Smoke on the left of side of his face was also faked however one thing is obvious in this photo and in any photo of the bridg man and that is his massive nose however look at the composite below see any massive nose of course not so what gives look back at that huge nose in the blowup but no matter what it's huge in any video of the bridg man many have remarked on his huge nose but he has no huge nose his nose is quite average solution to the problem simple the bridg man is disguising himself by wearing a fake nose waa problem solved huh the motivation for this crime is hard to figure out but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers although there is no evidence yet that the bridg man has killed other people Beyond this crime he certainly may have hence we believe the bridge man is a serial killer type instead of a serial killer in that case the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic Psychopathic serial type killer we know much more about the bridg man but are not releasing it due to fears of harming the investigation all of this information was officially turned over to law enforcement on Friday July 21st and one more point about the Dodge Dart let's go to uh WNDU News and this was published April 30th 2018 Indiana murder suspect killed in crash police searching for second man an Indiana murder suspect is one of three people who are dead after the car they were in Cross the center line and hit a garbage truck head on it happened around 8:20 Sunday morning State Road 15 near County Road 1100 South in Wabash County police don't know why the Dodge Dart crossed the center line and hit the truck 19-year-old driver Teresa Williams 21-year-old passengers Thomas Reed and Caleb minin were killed minin is a suspect in a murder last week in La Fontaine Indiana Jordan Richards 22 was shot and killed in his home on Wednesday one of the gun stolen from his home was found in the Dodge after the crash now police say the other murder suspect is still on on the loose Corey Kelch 22 is considered armed and dangerous he is 5'8 weighs approximately 125 lbs brown hair brown eyes if you see him call the police and it doesn't say whether this was a white Dodge Dart or not but it's just curious again we went over the production numbers this is not like a random Toyota I mean this Dodge Dart is not one of the most popular Vehicles if this one was white is it possible it's connected to the other Dodge Dart in the deli and again some people are alleging it might be a red herring but again we really don't know okay so continuing to Robert lind's newest posts here this is April 13th 2021 so a little over a month ago stunning rumors about the murders and related matters now officially proven and this is of course if you take his word on things and if I didn't do the disclaimer earlier I mean this guy clearly has some psychotic Tendencies I do not recommend reading most of his other blog it is just uh it's really bizarre really really bizarre but uh what's strange is some of what he's writing here about Deli is corroborated in other places as a very small portion but still so if he really does have this La enforcement Source uh again his law enforcement Source might be giving him information that the source believes to be true even if it's not we have to keep that in mind so he's uh he also RS endlessly about uh how he is perceived by others I mean clear issues here mental issues but people should listen to me which they never do I mean again it's it's crazy but he is the these are his comments on even his own suspect Mr X okay finally after four years acquisition of good law enforcement sources it turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective he's bored and has nothing to do so we recruited him to sleuth for us he is happy to do so he has connections with current law enforcement officers in Indiana we are not sure if we should say where but they are not in the town of Deli or in Carol County yes insane discredited Liars like us have former detectives as part of our team and again we really don't know if Robert Lindsay his story about his 200 plus members of just this private sleuthing is even correct but out of all the individuals out there it's not hard to believe that approximately 200 individual I mean there's Facebook groups with more than that people that are kind of sleuthing so to speak so again I don't know which way this would more likely be we sent him off to dig into Mr X he went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from law enforcement that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact we do not believe his Indiana Law Enforcement connection are working on the case that we are aware of instead they are law enforcement Street officers but they have learned a number of things via the law enforcement grape vine we would like to point out that we have finally some very good sources you can't do better than law enforcement and have acquired case documents we have been looking for four years many more of the things we say in our articles are going to be shown to be true because our sources have gotten so much better hence the speculations and rumors will rest on a more solid and factual basis as time goes by we get more and more correct on here as we start filling in the blanks of the jigsaw puzzle we have worked closely with law enforcement in the past a few years ago an Indiana state police detective contacted us and asked for everything we had on a suspect they were looking into we went down the rabbit hole about this man for 2 to 3 years but we finally decided while he's an awful person he didn't kill those girls in the past a local sheriff's deputy in a county near Deli was one of our most active members particularly with Graphics he was hiding Incognito and again I'm not sure how much Lindsay believes in law enforcement corruption but uh he was stating that this individual I mean there's a lot of different theories one of them is this individual's Alibi is in fact Deli law enforcement and that other Deli law enforcement are skeptical of this particular law enforcement officer that provided The Alibi for the individual in question so yeah there there's a lot of Madness going on okay Mr X is incidental proven guilty I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr X I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr X I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way do not harass or bother this man or his family in any way shape or form no one knows if he did this crime or not maybe he did maybe he didn't now that is a sign of objectivity which is more than what can be said uh with other podcasters commentators on this case yes this man is the prime suspect at the moment but that doesn't mean a whole lot twice in the Evansdale murders law enforcement thought they were certain that they had the right Man twice they were wrong they have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case but all of the suspects fell through and that's another interesting point there a lot of The Coincidence theorists and the authority worshipping cultists they just hang on every word of law enforcement completely ignoring how often law enforcement is wrong just because law enforcement said ABC doesn't mean it's true XYZ could be true especially when law enforcement has so many different options and they move it forward as if it were the truth of course there's a lot of innocent people in prison or innocent for the crimes they were accused of maybe they were guilty of other crimes but yeah it's just it's Madness all around Mr X is not even at the person of interest stage in this case Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect and he hasn't even risen to that level yet no one knows if Mr X is guilty or not I happen to think he probably did it but what do I know law enforce M doesn't have much in the way of good solid evidence against Mr X at this time they have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it but if you look at the nature of their actual evidence it's awfully thin in fact the rumor and a longstanding one at that is that law enforcement simply does not have enough evidence against Mr X to take the case to court Das require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone if the da does not think he has enough evidence inom case to win in court they won't take it to trial at this point they don't even have enough for an arrest say for instance law enforcement arrested Mr X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls if they tried to take it to court I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage the judge would say you don't have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court that's very embarrassing furthermore homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with the judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right sure they do if only to protect the due process rights of the accused there are cases like this all over the country a famous one is the Lewiston killer in Lewiston Idaho in the late '70s he killed at least five people specializing in young women the police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect who is named committed the crimes he has since moved back to North Carolina and young women have begun to disappear from the trials there now huh there is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5 to 10 Child Murders they don't have enough to take him to trial a book has been published accusing him of this crime he is brazen openly admits to being a pedophile goes to the victim's Graves and leaves flowers and visits the victim's families to offer soless for their losses see the sort of games these guys play a police chief in a town over there accused the man of committing these crimes the man sued the city and won $50,000 this is why you don't hear law enforcement coming out and openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they are sure they did it and have enough evidence to take them to trial and these are just the suspected serials running around free there are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides where law enforcement feels that they know who did it but don't have enough evidence to take them to trial if Mr X were on trial for these murders today and I were in the jury I would vote to quit him yes I think Mr X did the crime but my opinion isn't worth anything and if Mr X was being tried today and I was on the jury I would certainly vote to acquit because it doesn't matter whether I think he's guilty or not the state has to prove it if I were on the jury the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr X committed this crime and with the evidence they currently have they haven't proven it so I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr X walk and in all probability Bridge guy would be free to walk the streets again that's the price you pay to live in a free Society wow okay very interesting there but it it is curious that Robert Lindsay not that he would actually do this if he was on the on the the jury we really don't know but he says he would so he does have a clear understanding of how the court system works which again is is a bit more than we can say about a lot of other people time to give up on all these pois this is just getting ridiculous no one has to believe me when I tell them that law enforcement has a suspect who they think committed the deli murders maybe he did maybe he didn't maybe law enforcement is wrong they've been wrong many times before in cases like this particularly in sex murders of little children they often have their eye on one suspect for a long time until it turns out he's no good anyway I think there are a number of suspects that ought to be put to rest Ron Logan enough already give it a rest damn it how many times has he been cleared 242 maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure however we believe that an interesting theory is that bridge guy may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons bridg guy was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore and he took the girls to Ron's land and killed them there now that is a curious point because the people that really believe Ron Logan did it would Ron Logan be that dumb though because to wear those clothes to kill him on his property it it does seem like it makes more sense that someone would be trying to frame him than him being the perpetrator unless of course there was some kind of situation where he and another criminal planned to take them elsewhere and something happened and there was a falling out with Ron Logan and then they tried to frame him and he really was involved in the crime because then that could sort of make sense but again unless he has a split personality something like Steven Avery that's trying to frame himself it's seems unlikely that Ron Logan would he himself leave the bodies on his own property Mike Patty just stop okay he's innocent leave the poor man alone for God's sake hasn't he suffered enough no he didn't kill his own granddaughter damn it come on people now Mike Patty's a little bit more Curious everything from his behavior to his look to even supposedly bodily injuries that he had on his person in the day after the murders occurred and there's there's a lot there uh and supposedly he is not Liberties uh relative by Blood okay Becky Patty obviously they're not accusing her of the homicides the accusation is that she knows something or knows way too much and is covering for someone presumably the killer I doubt it no one's been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty it's as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged it to suffer for them all Jesus like not quite sainthood but getting there I heard that at the 2019 conf conf she burst into tears well of course she did it's no surprise she still hasn't been able to process this assuming such a thing can never be processed she has channed her pain into grief and sadness others close to the victims who I will not name have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them it's an understandable reaction but they're still not pleasant to be around this person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards pretty much at the world I won't reveal who I am talking about here although it should be obvious I will say that birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful both of these people were probably ragers before so it's not like they did a u-turn and how would he even know this this is why people accuse him of just being a complete psychotic Robert Lindsay of course is is who I'm blog who I'm reading right here of course we empathize with their losses but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face let's hope they find some peace I mean is he speaking from experience here has Robert Lindsay himself approach these people he said he didn't but again can we trust him Becky Patty is internalizing her pain and putting it outward which is at least more pro-social someone like Mike Patty may be dealing with the pain by disassociating as we men do people think we are sto but really we are disassociating the feelings are there you push them shove them out at others or disassociate them into the ether or better yet your subconscious everyone's got their style Whatever Gets You Through the Night the last person on Earth to protect the Killer is poor Becky Patty God bless her mortal Soul Derek German Libby's father meth dealer convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence he has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away I don't know this man very well but he wasn't in on this crime and it's curious how would Robert Lindsay know this he's saying that even his Mr X his Person of Interest his main suspect who he thinks is probably guilty but he's not 100% sure yet he's 100% sure on Derek German now again I'm not saying Dereck German is guilty in any by any stretch of the imagination but I'm saying if you weren't there how do you know what happened either way obviously there's no reason to point the finger and say it was definitely Derek German if you weren't there you wouldn't know but it is kind of it's hard to dismiss the meth background especially if there were meth dealers or meth cookers in that area even at the exact time of the murders which again we don't know it's just it seems like the the rumors are very persistent that there's some meth going on in the area Kelsey German sister of Libby Kelsey's DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies Kelsey has been investigated quite a bit and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI including a couple times at her school for whatever reason she confuses facts all the time and can't keep her story straight I have no idea why she's doing this but it's not because she's the killer of her own sister for God's sake Kelsey German has been cleared and again there's a difference between being uh cleared from the murders and there's a difference between possibly knowing who the murderers actually were is it possible Kelsey knew someone associated with the crime possibly not even knowing that they knew the that they executed the crime and so and that's where a lot of the murkiness go goes in and I don't think anybody was suggesting that any of the interviews from the FBI or law enforcement were because they suspected her it was to get information out of her about other individuals who might have known liby and Abby okay okay flannel shirt guy probably shouldn't use his real name but he's on everybody's suspect list again I went over this on the previous mind shck episodes as well he was one of the original Witnesses who saw Bridge guy and gave a description now he says he never saw Bridge guy at all I guess he can't make up his mind he's also thoroughly lawyered up and he's not saying a word I get it he's a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks his favorite color is green like the woods like the loot hey it's a capitalist country right the theory is that he was in on these murders from mercenary reasons such as malign desire to purchase Ron Logan's land sure he's a greedy businessman but I doubt if he's that greedy I have seen quite a few photographs of this guy no doubt of the lousy good old boy Network so much evidence in this blighted town just looking at him I can't see him being in on this but I had the same feeling when I saw a photo of mild-mannered middle-aged frumpy beer bellied Mr X Family Man and loving father extraordinaire flannel Sher guy along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible Lookouts for bridge guy not because there's any evidence that they were Lookouts but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way I'd be surprised if he were in on this but stranger things have happened okay so that's a little bit more of uh objective take there and again yeah it's it's tough it's tough because final sh guy could be in an a whole bunch of other criminal activity not related to this particular crime and that could account for some of the behavior Paul Eder A 55y old local man of many interests one of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women but alas he raped one last too many man that's a weird way to try to make uh and the law closed in on him holed up in his home which now resembled Dodge City he saved Society a lot of money by eating a bullet freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place he raped women not young teenage girls he was in the right age but he doesn't look like Bridge guy law enforcement has already looked into him quite a bit and I assume he's cleared and one last thing He's dead Jim move along now just because he's dead doesn't mean he doesn't do the crime it's kind of that's kind of a weird way to look at that CM not even going to bother to reveal his name local professor at Purdue known for the geocaching Theory some connection with Libby via geocaching I was never aware that anyone had anything against this harmless looking fella lawyered up not talking he's afraid he's going to be framed with these murders I'm not unreasonable fear yes not unreasonable at all however how many harmless looking fellas end up being murders again I'm not saying this particular individual known as CM Here Local professor at Purdue I'm not saying he's guilty in any way but the fact that he's harmless looking or mild mannered obviously that is not how you determine whether someone is a murder or not and I'll be getting into the geocaching theory in the next episode or two cuz there's a lot there not even involving this local professor and uh some people believe that could be the key to solving this supposedly Kelsey was also into geocaching and her and Libby might have been Geocaching in the approximate area as little as one week before the murders occurred so there's yeah there there's more there to explore okay the next suspect CN middle-aged man resident of Deli well he's the right age anyway never knew what the case was against this man other than he had property near the bridge and he and his wife's out Albi of being out of town and state traveling got a bit mangled we all stumble over our words sometimes he's a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort possibly works with kids I've looked this man over and I can't think of anyone less likely to commit this crime his wife has taken his social media lately pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime good advice how about taking it to heat everyone and just another Point not about this individual but about uh in general when people stumble over Alibis that doesn't mean they're guilty of a particular crime they're accused of that means they might have been doing something they don't want people to find out about Affairs drug dealing other illicit activities or maybe something not even illegal but something they're embarrassed about they just don't want people to know and since they figure they're clearly innocent of this crime and there will never be any physical evidence linked to them they're just just willing to stumble and lie a little bit to protect whatever embarrassing issue they have because they know there's no chance that ever be found guilty of this crime because they know they didn't do it and physical evidence could never prove it so they don't feel the need to be 100% honest about their Alibi just a quick aside there all right Garrett CTS and I will be referring back to kurts local man all around run-of-the mbad person he killed a woman I'm not sure why I doubt it was for a good reason so he's a murderer a murderer of young women at that but not of young teenage girls he's in prison where he belongs I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except he kills chicks so that means he killed these girls because they're chicks too doesn't sound like a logical progression of thought to me empirism is a thing folks besides he's the wrong age 27 and 28 Bridge guy is a 50-year-old man repeat after me bridgeguy is a 50-year old man repeat is often as necessary to get it through your head give it a rest everyone okay so if Bridge guy is not a 50-year-old man then repeating it ad nauseum would just be falling for this ad nauseum logical fallacy so again Robert Lindsay even though he has interesting analyses at points he does seem to be very unhinged and illogical in other respects here he goes next he just goes ranting about uh people disputing his theories or whatever the case is over there's no need to speculate about many relevant facts about bridg guy or about what happened during this crime for the moment at least law enforcement definitely has a prime suspect who they think committed this crime and they now suspect is committing other murders there is only one correct POI and his name is Mr X why not follow what law enforcement has determined all of your other pois and endless silly speculation are junk really none of it is true there's no need to speculate anymore we know that law enforcement has a suspect so there's only one person people should be suspecting but by his own logic he's pointed out that law enforcement was wrong and can be wrong and theories change so again the inconsistency here I mean Robert Lindsay there's definitely some mental issues with this man and his consistency we also know a number of proven facts about what happened in this crime including the behavior of Mr X in relation to the crime and why law enforcement suspects him the motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy the classic formulation almost all serial killers have the motive was sexual this was a sex crime a sex homicide we know we now know a lot of things about the main suspect including the name age height weight marital status possible Offspring address names of wife and children and history of his life these are the facts about the man law enforcement suspects is bridgeguy items known to be carried or W by bridgeguy at the time of the crime loaded handgun and right jacket pocket type unknown members only jacket blue old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s dad jeans Indiana Packers boots camouflage hunting cap on head GoPro camera on waist deer kit on waist with five hunting knives in it white scarf around his face covering the lower half of his face bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket binoculars known facts about the personal life of the main suspect Mr X birthplace Illinois resident history unknown for first 18 years possibly Illinois Deli Indiana and several other small towns in Indiana from at least 1984 to 2021 resident in Deli in 1984 to 1985 at minimum important residence periods moves to moved to Evansdale Iowa in 2011 to 2012 to work at a slaughterhouse aligned with Tyson Foods there was president when the Evansdale murders occurred homeless for a period in the 2000s where he resided at a homeless shelter education history primary and Junior High unknown Senior High School First Years unknown but graduated from Deli High School in 1984 to 1985 age at the time of the crime 49 to 50 uncertain present age 53 to 54 uncertain race white hair color dark brown facial hair goatee or trimed beard height approximately 58 weight approximately 180 sexual age orientation pedophilia non-exclusive AOA 8 to4 sexual object orientation heterosexual Residence at time of the crime Dela Indiana since 2011 recently moved to monacello possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime lists a manufacturing business or factory as place of residence employment history unknown prior to 2011 worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logan sport Indiana and sister facility in waterl Iowa in 2011 and 2012 afterwards possible owner operator of trucking business occupation possible owner operator of Long Haul Trucking business in recent past present occupation unknown but recently raised goats on his property distance of residents from the crime scene less than 2 miles familiarity with crime location extreme he was friends with Ron Logan on Whose property the crime occurred frequently hunted deer on Ron's land he was clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand marital status married Rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together children two daughters two adult daughters relationship with younger daughter excellent very close she is very fond of him relationship with older daughter unknown important friendships very casual friend of Mike Patty father of one of the girls victims possible Harley buddies friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles as Mike is an avid Harley Rider there is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at sometime before the crime what that has to do with anything is not known hunting partner of Anthony greo podcaster who has reported on the case avidly huh so Robert Lindsay is saying that Mr X is the hunting partner of Anthony greo friends with Mike with Ron Logan and a casual friend I guess more of an acquaintance type of Mike Patty Hobbies raising goats riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles very Avid Dear Hunter specific about the crime scene confirmed To Us by the police okay and this is from uh a post on a memorial do thrown in with flowers at the memorial at the bridge this is about a year after the crime and you can see some of the flowers deteriorating as you can see a doll has been thrown into the mix I don't know what that means but perhaps it's odd did Bridge guy put that doll there he scattered dolls all over the crime scene we know that much and this weird with the weirdness with the dolls I mean these are all rumors of course but again uh if you haven't checked out the Jean Benet ramsy podcast series on M check check that out I haven't gotten to the doll situation but apparently there was a lot of uh mysterious incidents with dolls in regarding to the Jean Bonet Ramsey case and one particular POI possible suspect in that case again is Bridge guy if Bridge guy is the killer but is the true perpetrator of this crime are they just simply playing games do the games have specific references to things or are they just muddying the water so to speak okay that said the following very controversial information about the deli murders was given to us directly by the police numbers 1 to 4 were told to us by an Indiana detective but we don't want to say where he's located he didn't work on the case but he has a particular interest in crimes against minors especially violent crimes against miners number five was told to us by an Indian detective who worked in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen we also heard it from someone very close to detective who was working on the case who had convited in them number six an extremely controversial statement was told to us by a sheriff in a nearby County one both girls were posed keep in mind they did not say how they were posed if they were posed in a sexual manner Etc two dolls were scattered about the crime scene there were quite a few of them our police source told us quote there were so many dolls scattered around that it looked like he had gone to the Goodwill store and bought a bunch of dolls end quote this also answers questions about why the cops have been using phrases like odd peculiar strange not your average crime scene many signatures Etc it fits right in with all of that three a bottle of toilet cleaner was found at the crime scene presumably it was used to throw a bleach over everything which solves the riddle of why no usable DNA was collected in this case four the girls were violated with inanimate objects five sticks twigs and branches were jammed into the girls presumably this is what the violated with inanimate object statement above refers to this the source is a Narcotics detective in Indiana and a close associate of a detective working on the case and again is there verification of this person's Identity or did they just claim to be this person okay six one girl was pregnant just barely pregnant this is one very old rumor that started up within a weeks a few weeks of the murder the first person who told me that was a middle-aged woman who lived in the area just saying that for anyone who accuses me of making this up this rumor just would not die it kept popping up over and over so I had to keep reporting it we were never sure if it was true or not so it was always just another unverified rumor I didn't want to bring this rumor up because I've caught so much crap for it but I felt I had to because an Indiana law enforcement officer affirmed to us that this rumor was true but how would the law enforcement officer know if it was true or it was true that it was said if police had not verified this rumor for us I wouldn't be are they verifying that it's a rumor or how would they verify that if it it was true so it was indeed a rumor and someone did indeed report this to the police is that what Robert Lindsay is alleging cuz how would they know if it was really true or not I wouldn't be bothering with it because it's brought me nothing but trouble but when we get information straight from the police we feel we must report it this is not a rumor I relish reporting trust me his exact quote was quote one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy end quote he did not state which girl it was and we are not sure ourselves or is this information from the Corner's report we have an idea which girl it might be but until we can get a good source on that we are not going to upset people even more by naming the girl we think that if this rumor is true one of the girls was 6 to 8 weeks pregnant when pregnancy is hard to diagnose but can be confirmed on autopsy specifically there will be a thickening in the walls of the uterus that can be determined at this time all Guardians of the girls seem to think this would be impossible based on these girls having almost no experience with males well they need need to disabuse themselves of that notion our information is that at least one girl was sexually active and one of the girls was 13 to 14 going on 20 if you get the picture that's a bizarre way to describe that okay let's say she was growing up awful fast we will not say which girl or girls is being discussed above people are furious with us over this rumor because they say we are selling these girls reputations therefore disqualifying them for post humous sainthood we do not feel that inexperienced 13 to 14y old girls have some sort of Purity that can be dirtied nor do we feel that a girl this age sullies her reputation by engaging in PIV sex people who think like this are prudes and Puritans we do not feel that it is immoral for 13 to 14 year-old girls to have Pi sex or to get pregnant it's stupid for them to get pregnant but it's not immoral approximately 15% of girls that age and probably more are already having PIV sex The Source a sheriff's officer and nearby County now is Robert Lindsay when he's saying we is he speaking for all 200 people that are supposedly part of his sleuthing group because that's just really bizarre again this guy seems to be quite mental in uh in a lot of uh it just yeah he's he's pretty mental specific information about the crime confirmed to us via official case documents in our possession for more information on these documents see the special section below where their nature and Providence is explained although we only have photocopies of these documents we believe they are genuine the document list is a number of items that law enforcement is looking for in this case a pair of binoculars this lines up nicely with Lee Kerr's testimony where he said that bridgeguy used binoculars in this crime photos videos cameras video cameras and film in other words law enforcement are convinced that bridge guy filmed or videotaped his crime the only way they could know this is if the rumors about Bridge gu sending photos or video of the crime to one of the girls phones after the crime occurred are true so the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victim's phone is proven this proves more of Lee Kerr's testimony where he said Bridge guys sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime wow that's really bizarre so again I don't know how Lindsay has verified this information he's saying it's true again is that because he took the word of someone else claiming to be an official Source who's not an official source and they made it up or it's just another uncorroborated rumor Through the Grapevine however does it make sense from the statements from law enforcement that they have video or audio of the entirety of the crime and it wasn't from one of the girls recording it it was from either whatever they're everybody's using the word Bridge guy I'm gonna use perpetrator because if it's not Bridge guy but it could be Bridge guy again we really don't know if there were multiple people involved either way if the perpetrator had filmed the crime and then sent the video I mean that's really insane on so many levels I mean that it just this is truly a very unusual uh crime in in no matter I mean however you look at it 43 seconds of audio it is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio law enforcement must know that bridge guy recorded 43 seconds of audio presumably of his crime but how could they know this only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls' phones after the crime huh weird so is it possible that Libby did not film or record this and this is all coming from bridg guy and he sent it to her phone to taunt law enforcement a handgun in order to do ballistic tests on it this means that they have at least one fired cartridge Bridge guy must have fired his gun at some point in this crime the rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed and again this is Robert Lindsay's language confirm this confirm that I don't know how he how he can consider any of this confirmed but again this is his blog Beyond hybrid br.com knives he is wearing a deer kit which contains five different types of knives clothing soaked in blood seen and unseen this blood will probably not come out with the watch the documents state that the wound to Libby was so brutal that the blood spatter would have been dramatic drenching the Killer's clothes in Blood and again this is why some people believe that the perpetrator and our perpetrators did not walk back out through the trails because it would have been uh too obvious specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 p.m. the crime occurred on February 13th or fe uh as you can see the numbers are the same people are saying this is a coincidence but apparently law enforcement does not believe it was coincidental okay I'm not going over the aspects of the crimes he not verified he goes into some really weird stuff with the crime scene rumors that are now confirmed Indiana Law Enforcement again this is Robert Lindsay claiming this there I have not seen any official proof that Indiana law enforcement has confirmed anything at all that Robert Lindsay has been saying here law enforcement believes Mr X is Bridge guide via our detective Source in Indiana law enforcement has a mean suspect in the deli murders Mr X and the case is focused on him all other pois are pretty much dropped or cleared however it is still not clear that Mr X did this on his own or if someone helped him law enforcement would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr X after the crime perhaps burning evidence or whatever it is important to note that you are under no obligation to to tell the police anything I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims and I don't have to go to the police he could have even confessed to me but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops the one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes that is be an accessory I'm not 100% sure on the legality of that either anyway law enforcement believes that bridgeguy is Mr X they're not looking at anyone else they think he did it end of story and Robert Lindsay is also making conflicting claims because he's also claimed that law enforcement might not be aware of Mr X law enforcement believes that M Bridge Guy Mr X is a serial killer and was also responsible for the Evansdale murders via our detective Source we learn that law enforcement has only recently started to believe that Mr X is also responsible for the Evansdale murders we believe he is currently the main suspect in the Evansdale murders much more on that below and I I'll be doing a dedicated episode on the Evansdale murders this has been requested multiple times a lot of people believe there's some kind of connection as well July 13th 2012 two cousins disappeared from the small town of Evansdale Iowa 6 months later their bodies were discovered in a wooded area 20 mil away but their killer has eluded police in the years since law enforcement believes there are similarities between Evansdale and Deli double homicides via our detective Source in Indiana we have learned that in both crimes one there was posing so yes even though the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found law enforcement continues to believe that they were posed two girls in the pedophilic age range 8 to 14 were brazenly abducted two at once from trails in busy parks in rural Midwestern towns in the middle of daytime with many people around three the bodies were dumped near water four a number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the deli crime scene uh some other points here law enforcement says Bridge guy used a bleaching agent specifically toilet cleaner and threw it over everything at the crime scene in addition this detective in Indiana told us that a bleaching agent was used at the scene the detective felt it is not bleach per se but toilet bowl cleaner they said he sprayed it all over every everything important at the scene you can see what appears to be a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in Bridge gu's left pocket in a blowup image we believe that this is a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner and some of us have believed this for a long time particularly a physician who is a member of our team okay unconfirmed rumors not validated by the police however other objections say we are claiming a lot of things about the crime scene actually these below are mostly unverified rubers with some probability of being true the police did not verify any of the rumors below for us one dolls hanging from trees at the crime scene Source a female member of the search team two a sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene possibly hung from a tree Source a female member of the search team three a large stuffed bear or animal at the crime scene Source a female member of the search team also many people say that you can see one clearly on blowups of crime scene photos okay I won't go over some of the other more gruesome ones the presence of a giant stuffed bear female member of a search party presence of a crucifix Source female member of the search party to be fair they never said that any of these things were not at the crime scene or that these events did not happen instead they simply didn't mention them because we never asked about them so law enforcement didn't say that these rumors were true but they did not say that they were not true either okay the DNA and fingerprint questions as we noted law enforcement already has a principal suspect in the crime and his DNA is found in the forest all around the crime scene however he was one of the Searchers who found the bodies and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening so wait a second this guy searched his suspect searched the area the previous evening and the bodies were not there I again I I don't know how clear that is conceivably he could have missed the girls while searching the night before in which case his DNA would be in the area his DNA in the forest could also be a result of his being part of the search team that found the girls hence none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable we keep hearing over and over DNA DNA DNA we think this is a whole lot about nothing as noted above Bridge guy threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene well there goes your DNA the only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsey sister of Libby Kelsey has been cleared there is a rumor that law enforcement has a partial DNA sample from an unknown male from one of the girls problem is they only have nine markers on the partial that's not very many conceivably perhaps 10% of men might have those nine markers these partial DNA samples are useful to law enforcement for instance if law enforcement have a suspect and they have a partial present in 10% of the population this is one more bit of evidence that Point them to having the absolute right guy on the other hand a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court in other words the whole DNA question seems to be a gigantic red herring if the rumors are true law enforcement are being koi about whether or not they have DNA but that's probably just another ruse they don't want to show their hand to the Killer and let him know if they have DNA or not I think people need to stop talking about DNA in this case it's a dead end another interesting point there even with these uh nine markers people get hung up on the definitiveness of DNA because if if the sample doesn't have that much Integrity you have to extrapolate information from it so if it's degraded how what is the what is the percent likelihood that those nine markers are exact because if it's if it's if it's a degraded or partial sample in the first place it it's it possibly could be somebody those nine markers there might be a mistake in some of those nine markers in which case it could also be somebody else regardless of whether or not they possess the markers or not so again that's why relying solely on DNA evidence is an issue especially when we see every generation there's all these people being released from prison because previous DNA matches were actually not accurate once better DNA testing comes into play it was a mistake about those fingerprints law enforcement themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint they didn't say where they collected it from but that's an important question also smudged prints are very very dubious value they're generally unusable I wish people would stop talking about fingerprints the lady walking her dogs at the bridge at 12:30 p.m. on the day of the murders this is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 on the day of the murders a full hour before Bridge guy probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 met Bridge guy somewhere possibly on the south side of the bridge and even had a brief conversation with Bridge guy however this information does not not seem to be coming from law enforcement instead it is coming from Deli podcaster Anthony greo a dubious man and apparent con artist with a rap sheet so long it fades into the Horizon when you try to read it that doesn't mean he's wrong it means to consider information coming from him with a lot of caution this woman was apparently a discovery of greo okay wait greo finds this woman but law enforcement never did she approached greo but but she didn't approach law enforcement my smell meter is registering stinky furthermore the woman has since gone into hiding possibly because of people bothering her or maybe because she's afraid of bridge guy is going to kill her anyway she's not talking before she departed us though she did inform us that she could not identify what the man she met like looked like except she was sure he was Bridge guy now wait a minute I'm kind of thinking this High witness account ain't making it to the witness stand you know obviously this is very much an unconfirmed rumor though everyone is treating it as if it's the word of God I beg to differ if anyone has any more information on this odd rumor please let me know in the comments or in my email obviously if we can place bridg guy at the bridge at 12:30 that changes everything okay next point he's got here quit referencing law enforcement statements at the 2019 press conference the fake friends as factual fake afference it doesn't that doesn't roll very well although we do not have any evidence that this is true we believe that the 2019 press conference was a gigantic ruse we believe that they already had a main suspect at the time and they thought he was going to be at the meeting so the meeting was designed to trick him the entire meeting was meant for the consumption of one person Mr X notice that law enforcement told the public to stop focusing on the old bridge guy and to focus on the new bridge guy instead the new bridge guy was said to be the man who carried out the murders he was Bridge guy they also said that bridge guy was 18 to 40 years old anyone with any sense can see intuitively that Bridge Guy cannot possibly be the young man in the sketch nor can he be 18 to 40 bridgeguy is obviously a middle-aged man around 50 you can tell by many things gate body shaped manner of walking voice Etc law enforcement actually believes Bridge guy is 49 to 50 years old if law enforcement actually believes that bridge guy is 50 years old why did they put out the statement that he looks like this ridiculous sketch of a very young man or even an 18 to 40y old man why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs easy they were lying another interesting point though I I believe I've mentioned this before if there were multiple individuals involved would they hire someone so to speak to create a for a false sketch or they have a false witness to get a sketch that looks nothing like him to again divert attention from the real perpetrator or perpetrate pors law enforcement also brought up an unknown vehicle well possibly a white truck seen at the CPS building the message here to Mr X is clear law enforcement has gone off on a completely different tangent and is not looking at you at all anymore instead these idiot cops think that some kid in a white truck did it what a bunch of idiots not the first sketch which looks like a middle-aged man Mr X some kid not Bridge guy nope nope nope how could anyone on Earth believe this is Bridge guy because the cops told you so LOL quit listening to the police they tell all sorts of Lies as dirty strategy in extremely important homicides like this and that's another thing I guess the coincidence theorists and the authority worshipping cultists don't understand law enforcement do operate in an end justifies the means capacity a lot of the time again I'm not going to describe percentages different cops different methodologies different police departments but to think that they wouldn't lie to catch a murderer I mean they're trying to catch a murderer here you know okay not the orange truck of the main suspect of course not instead a probably non-existent white truck at the CPS building so he's stating so Robert Lindsay is stating that there's an orange truck that the main suspect drives you've thrown the cops off your tail Mr X good job and at the end Carter says he may even be in this room right now and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr X the cops are wrong again they think some some fool on the other side of the room did it idiots the truth is that some of the things law enforcement said in that conference are true the sketch of the younger man appears to have been the catfish of the 19-year-old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat and Mr X or Bridge guy is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in so when law enforcement said the younger sketch is the one who committed this crime they were correct he did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just Bridge guy in catfish form his other younger personality that he uses to snare victims and when they said bridgeguy was actually better described as a combination of both sketches they were correct too bridg guy himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who was the actual killer so he is both sketches at once obviously also note that law enforcement are now acting like they think the young catfish did the CRI not the older Bridge guy this was done to get Mr X to think LOL they don't think I did it they think the stupid catfish boy did it haha let them go on a wild goose chase after someone who doesn't exist once again this was done to get Mr X to think that they had lost his tail and were running off in the wrong direction against a completely different suspect granted we don't have any evidence that this is true other than Leer's statements we regard leer leaker leaking information leaker and also leur l e i g h k r r we regard leaker as credible but we now demand sources Beyond his level to be cons to be considered probative hence formerly everything leaker has said has gone into unconfirmed rumors rather than things we're able to confirm from other sources such as law enforcement statements to Us official case documents two sources arriving at the same conclusion independently a near impossibility if there were both making up the same lie nevertheless we do feel that leers's notion that this was all a big ruse rang true for us and sent us off on our investigation with the help of the notorious Gody I might add we currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts can we prove it nope but all theories must be judged against their competitors ooms but the competing Theory to the logic put the competing Theory to the logic test is there any way on earth that bridgeguy could look like the young man in the sketch or even 18 to 40-Year-Old get real when we line the two theories against each other ours wins hands down hence following ok's our theory is the best explanation of the facts ah wow okay another misapplication of 's Razor if you haven't checked out the mindshock podcast regarding ok's Razer I've gone over that endless times you'd have to have two theories that adequately explain something happening before you determine that the simpler one is most more likely to be true which is again not necessarily the truth whatever is true is true even if it's the more complicated one but if there's more than one perpetrator it easily makes sense that there's two sketches if there's two guys or if Bridge guy is wearing some kind of Disguise so if it's a young guy that wore that somehow had some kind of a disguise the other thing someone brought up I think it was in the YouTube comment section on on one of the previous M check episodes on Deli Those Old Man masks that were quite popular a couple years back the some relatively realistic masks of geriatric individuals and then if you put other stuff on to modify the disguise you could have a decent looking disguise at least something from a distance and if they're intentionally trying to frame Ron Logan they could wear clothes similar to Ron Logan's and I mean who knows again there's lots of different explanations here this is mind shock where the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure Mr X's employment at a packing plant in Indiana and possible connection to the Evansdale murders verified by article in the Indiana star via the Indiana star in an undated AR article that we cannot find at the moment but nevertheless believe exists Robert Lindsay strikes again Mr X's roommate in 2011 to 2012 in Delight told law en forcement that bridge guy was absolutely Mr X the voice was a good match the clothes looked familiar and the walk was dead on the roommate also said he suspected Mr X of the Evansdale murders because during the time of the Evansdale murders Mr X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on the packing plant there interesting if true many people from Dela area went over to Evansdale to work on this project oh that's another that's interesting if that's true that means there's qu that means you'd have a relatively big circle of of individuals that worked at these packing plants that do have the connection to Evansdale so wow that is interesting they appear to have been working at the Tyson plant in Logan sport Indiana where they were shipped to the sister Tyson plant in waterl Iowa if this roommate is correct it looks like Mr X worked in 2011 and 2012 at Tyson Foods in Logansport and he was moved to near Evansdale Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant in waterl near Evansdale we don't know what his job was there but if it was slitting the throats of screaming squealing pigs on ropes swinging towards him with a knife so huge that it looked like a sword as is done at some slaughter houses we would say a job like that would be right up Bridge guy's alley Bridge guy made a deep cut to the throat of one victim that resembles the Deep Cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughter houses notice that bridge guy committed his crime with large knives his preferred weapon Mr X also Cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food so it looks like Mr X is using is used to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives and humans are animals too another weird statement there from Robert Lindsay the Bea the weird behavior of Mr X surrounding his truck at the crime scene we now have a better time frame for Mr X's truck being parked at the cemetery note that it was parked in head first we believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location we don't know why he asked permission to search Ron Logan's land at 6:30 p.m. but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search that land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team okay wow this is really mind shocking because if this is true even if it's not true about this particular suspect we have another possibility this sparked another possibility that I haven't considered before is it possible that that really was the crime scene the the the girls were killed there and then they were moved from there for the first search and then brought back so they weren't necessarily taken elsewhere killed and then dumped they maybe were killed there or Maybe not maybe there were just items left there that he wanted to clear so then he would go on Ron Logan's land he would he would get rid of possible clothes or any kind of marks that could be tied to a crime took him away and then brought him back the next day that's of course but even if this rumor is not true I I don't know how this was corroborated this guy's asking to search Ron Logan's Land And even if he is if he's innocent then okay it's just a concerned citizen but uh and if he knows Mike Patty might be searching before the uh the fire department announces the formation of a search team again this is if he's innocent if this Mr X character is innocent which he very well might be not only that but Mr X's Alibi is that he was in another town from 2:15 to 3:15 p.m. on the day of the crime that would mean he would have to drive back to Deli by at least 35 possibly later depending on what town he was in and when he left the problem here is that before 5:30 no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends he could have called his wife who was friends with Becky Patty and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing but that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife we doubt if she did contact his wife they weren't that close after 5:30 p.m. news of the girls going missing went out over the police scanner we suppose if he was listening to a police police scanner he could have known that early but what's the likelihood of Mr X listening to a police scanner between 5:30 and 6:30 p.m. on the day of the crime we would say it is low he parked a th000 ft away from Ron's door almost A4 mile away why didn't he pull up to his front door we don't know about you all but when we go visit our friends we generally don't park a quarter mile away and hike in we park right at the front door we also don't know what he was doing searching down there that night we also do not know why out of all the places to search he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed however this early searching meant that he could use his lost my Keys's excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 hours 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were found because he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evening's search it is interesting that Mr X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 p.m. to Monday February 13th 12:30 p.m. Tuesday February 14th when the girls were found that's a full 18 hours why on Earth would someone stay next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early a.m. and morning into the afternoon it doesn't seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time here's the thing though if this guy really did kill them I mean he's going to come up with the excuse I lost my keys to explain his vehicle being at the right next to the crime scene that doesn't make a lot of sense either I mean cuz this guy can't be that dumb right we believe he could have been staging the elaborate crime scene during that time where his truck was parked was a 5-minute walk to the crime if he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and use them to Stage it with the objects Mr X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours if he didn't have his keys he could not move his truck he could have gone home but for some reason he stayed with his truck did he eat where did he get the food and what was the food did he sleep if so where and when urinating is no problem but what if he had to defecate it's an interesting way to put it Robert Lindsay is definitely thinking about these things that would have been quite a problem it doesn't seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason but it's even worse than that even after the girls were recovered Mr X stayed around through all of the media and police hubub hub for the next 8 hours from 12:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. so his truck was out at the crime scene for a 26 full hours with Mr X presumably with it the entire time why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys were they waiting for God himself to bring the keys We Believe Mr X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it if he left law enforcement might tow it or search it he stayed to guard his truck we believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there another reason he stay is we believe that he enjoyed the drama everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed he was right in the middle of all the police and media and no one suspected him I'm sure that was a LOL feeling for him these idiot cops they're swarming all over this crime scene and the Killer is standing right there under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours and these cop tards can't figure this out we think he likes to fool and troll law enforcement I'm fooling the cops haha is the thinking why did Mr X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars he had his keys with him so why didn't he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldn't because he had lost his keys law enforcement asked him to move the vehicle he said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him three problems with that story one he never lost his keys two he never called the wife to ask her to bring a spare set three there was no spare set in the first place he doesn't have nobody has a spare set of keys that's interesting at 8:20 p.m. the police scanner said that Mr X's wife was coming to bring Mr X a spare set of keys this has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs X into the sealed off area because she's bringing Mr X his keys we believe he just told law enforcement she was coming it went out over the scanner and she never showed up law enforcement must have been getting exasperated with Mr X by this time someone probably law enforcement called to have Mr X's truck towed Mr X just stood there and let them tow his truck away he probably went back to retrieve it later on with his spare set actually the real set he never lost and drove it back home unfortunately Mr X's truck was never searched we believe there may have been incriminating evidence in there after all of this a fake cover story was put out that Mr X never lost his keys in the first place actually that is correct because they were sitting in his pocket the whole time but our critics think this means the story about him losing his keys is fake Mr X's younger daughter insists that he never lost his keys his wife now echoes in as far as she is concerned he never lost his keys Becky Patty is also saying he never lost his keys however Becky is saying two different things first that he lost his keys and later that he didn't lose his keys we have a screenshot of Becky Patty texting Mrs X to ask why she said he never lost his keys when he did so another story is going out that he did lose his keys see what is going on here multiple stories are floating around probably not purposely some are contradictory but the effect is to cause confusion the more confused people are the more someone can get away with a crime I mean and he could have also said he lost his keys even if he didn't and who did he say that to so those individuals would be reporting whatever they were told because how would they know if he really lost his keys if he just said he did as far as validation of the rumors of Mr X being parked at the cemetery at 6:30 p.m. asking Ron Logan for permission to search his land and searching his land that evening with two other men and leaving his truck sitting there for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found and another 8 hours afterwards we can't this is simply what we have been told and we are sticking by it we have also been told that law enforcement caught Mr X in the lies about losing his keys calling his wife to bring him a spare and a spare even existing in the first place law enforcement doesn't like being lied to especially when they are investigating a double homicide we have been told that this is what made law enforcement suspicious of Mr X in the first place we are even being challenged on our reporting that Mr X's truck was Boxed In by police at the time of the discovery of the bodies but we have a photograph of his truck surrounded by police cars the story about his truck getting towed is also being challenged we were told that his truck that his truck had been towed the rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spear and she did evidence being the police scanner but the scanner doesn't say she came to bring the keys it said she was coming to deliver the keys we believe she never showed up he never called the wife never lost his keys in the first place and there was no spare set we believe this because this is what we were told so I'm guessing Mr X lied and said he told his wife and his wife was coming to get the keys and that's what law enforcement were told or he really did tell her to come with keys but she never did for other reasons Mr X's traumatic reaction upon discovering the bodies appears staged and fake Mr X not only discovered the bodies but he ran away in Terror afterwards like a coward we would add then he needed 2 to 3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience we believe that those reactions were over blown no one else reacted that way not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is so Mr X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else including the victim's grandmother who was hurt more than anyone we believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged in other words they were faked faked to make it look like he could not have possibly committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else and my thoughts there are just there's a lot of weird mental people so if he's innocent and he's just completely mental maybe he was involved in other crimes maybe he was there to to something to do with that meth operation and I I will say who this individual is uh in general I'm not sure his name has been officially released by law enforcement but I'll be getting more into Mr who Mr X is after I complete the summary here but if he's involved in other crimes and that's why he was there and then he just kind of stuck around because he was curious Andor mentally Disturbed Andor psychotic whatever if he's completely insane he might have had that reaction and been innocent right again we we don't know we don't have a copy of the gag order supposedly issued about the the towing of a truck from the CPS building on either February 13th and 14th people are saying that we have a copy of a we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building we believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 13th to 14th we do not have a copy of that gag order but we were told that one had been issued by the courts we have no idea why the order would issued nature of case document in my possession we do indeed have a document from the case a man was a suspect in this crime and the document are from and the documents are from law enforcement's investigation of him the docks are his property he ran them off for us and sent them to us in the mail so it is true that we only have photocopies of these docs not the real thing but we believe our source a man who lives in Deli not far from the crime scene sent us copies of the actual document he got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was Bridge guy there are signatures on the documents the sigs are from either law enforcement this judicial system or both we are not going to tell you what sort of document we have if you're smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bombz hints we keep dropping the man who owns the documents is not happy with us going public with these docks he doesn't care that much about it in theory but he doesn't want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media that's why we've had to muddy up the nature of the documents themselves how we obtained them and how we received them it's an attempt to protect our source from being revealed we confess that we do make stuff up about sensitive sources and documents it's all about protecting our sources but we've never made up one single fact about this case in four years despite what most of the internet believes the nature of Mr X's sex offense from the 1980s either earlier we said that Mr X had a conviction for a sex offense in the 19 80s when he was between 16 and 26 on the other hand other slutes have come back and told us that Mr X's record is clean that's misleading he has a conviction for statutory rape from 1982 in Illinois he was 18 and the girl was 14 the reason the offense is not seen on his record is we believe he had it expunged expunged just means taken out of public record Law Enforcement still has access to the conviction as far as how we obtain this information we were told by Detective that Mr X had this conviction he told us it was in 1982 this is why we believe it occurred the idea that he was a sex offender in the 1980s is a nothing Burger it's just run-of-the-mill statutory rape which isn't even rape or as we prefer to call it illegal intercourse with a barely legal man and a teenage girl probably ought to be covered by Romeo and Juliet laws anyway very very bizarre like I said Robert Lindsay is is a little weird I mean 18 and 14 in 1982 I I mean I don't know I guess some people would say that's not the same thing as 2021 1982 I don't know it's still pretty still pretty sketchy unless he I mean I guess if he I don't know if he if he had just turned 18 and the girl was turning 15 I don't know is that just like a high school romance a senior and a freshman I don't know but the way he talks about it is is kind of weird of course another interesting post here uh this is a comment in regards to this post the case for Mr X is as solid as ever the dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant is great investigative work I saw the local Deli news footage from the week of the murders where they interviewed Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property he States when he got home that night the 13th one of his neighbors had come over to ask if he could search this property looking for the girls so Mr X did not ask him to search for his keys he was officially asking to search for the girls according to Old Ronnie boy as you've pointed out Mr X did this before the search party had even assembled right at the exact parcel of land that the girls bodies would be found on the next day this just doesn't bode well for him I mean especially if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed I almost have to wonder if that's why he later concocted the story about the keys perhaps as an afterthought when it he realized it would be hard to explain why he asked to search for the girls but then didn't find them somehow uh I was more focused on finding my keys I must have overlooked the two dead girls I was looking for in the first place I am running into one issue with Mr X I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer there is no doubt in my mind or anyone who is in possession of an IQ higher than double digit range that Ron Logan is not the killer drunkard perhaps killer no at least not in this case I saw this being explained in some YouTube comments to a bunch of brainlets I finally started to sink into these Geniuses when the case was made look one of the eyewitnesses who contributed to the first Bridge guy sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan wouldn't you think if the killer was Ron that she would say yeah simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer however shouldn't the exact same principle logic apply to Mr X didn't he at the time live down the street from Logan even if somehow she didn't know about some surrounding neighbors couldn't law enforcement just show her or flannel shirt guy or the bickering couple in the park a picture of Mr X and get verification that way Robert Lindsay responded here he wasn't searching for his keys early on he was searching for the girls it was dark to be fair two other men were also searching Ron's land that night and they didn't find anything either so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss what does that mean though so they definitely weren't there then because you have all these individuals who searched and they didn't find them I don't know no he came up with the lost my keys Gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 p.m. the day of the crime to 12:30 p.m. the next day when the girl's bodies were found a period of 18 full hours of course Ron Logan didn't do it was he set up to take the fall maybe Bridge guy was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face it's certainly possible that she may not have recognized Mr X even though he was apparently a neighbor flannel shirt guy didn't recognize him either and I'm sure that flannel shirt guy and Mr X knew each other flannel shirt guy knew everyone in town unless flannel Shir guy is of course involved in this somehow or he did recognize him and didn't want to say for fear of something so okay is it time to disclose who Mr X is so again uh Robert Lindsay has not explicitly stated this man's name but apparently this was a former mayor so he would be involved in government dealings and the police department so he would have the connections required to not be looked at obviously they looked at him but not be looked at in the same capacity as a regular private citizen civilian now apparently someone asked Lindsay here Mr X's Alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide Lindsay responds here the rumor is that his Alibi is a deli police officer who committed suicide in December apparently claimed he saw Mr X in another town around the time of the murders I get the impression that law enforcemen thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection now this begs quite a lot of questions because as far as aliis go a police officer as your Alibi I mean that's as Ironclad as you can get in terms of law enforcement it's one of their own now obviously a lot logical police officer investigator with Integrity is not going to just take it on faith they're probably going to want something more but does this account for a lot of the Shady business in the deli investigation early on regarding suspects in general and this particular suspect Mr X the former mayor who has links to Evansdale who happened to have his vehicle there who's Alibi is no longer alive now some people say his wife is also his Alibi I guess they were matching up times now is it curious that this officer committed suicide now if if Mr X truly is guilty if the police officer found that out now was he as Alibi before he knew was guilty or are they both involved in let's say some kind of meth operation so it's not that the officer thought Mr X was guilty of murdering anybody they were just covering up their own meth activity and that's something that needs to be considered as well because a lot of times particularly in the True Crime Community but there's just there's a lot of goofiness and logically fallacious reasoning going on where oh if someone is lying that means they're guilty of this particular crime of course not someone could be involved in a completely unrelated criminal Enterprise and they're lying because of that to cover something else up so now if this officer found out or began to suspect or maybe Mr X admitted it to him that he really was guilty how would the officer react would he commit suicide now the other thing is was it really a suicide again I did not investigate this I have no idea I wasn't there so is this a real suicide if so what brought it about or is this not really a suicide and there were loose ends being tied up were there rumors sprouting up that this particular officer maybe was going to withdraw his protection of Mr X and admit that the L The Alibi was fabricated here's another interesting post from Jennifer uh in response to this been following your blog from the start and this is so close to what I've been feeling for a while now I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr X being involved though he's been on my radar for a long time now flannel shirt guy has been someone that I cannot let go of either did he see Bridge guy did he not see Bridge guy people really seem to take him at value and think that because he is older he's not capable of committing such a crime I'm not saying he is or he isn't but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine tooth comb verified and reverified for a good measure I don't care what anybody's age is you just don't know what a person is capable of at the very least he could have made misleading statements again not saying that he did it I have no idea either way but it's just something that has bothered me because I don't see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case the few times I've brought him up myself this really on Reddit I have been ripped apart from my apparent stupidity this is simply because I've dared to question if it's possible that he was involved in any capacity or if it's possible he made misleading statements sounds like Jennifer would be welcome uh in mind shock because again we don't know anything the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure and logical examinations of all kinds without falling for logical fallacies as well welcome on mind shock that's the whole reason mindshock was created now I'm not a member of law enforcement and I never claimed to have investigative experience but I believe I'm a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills both my gut instinct and logic are screaming verify the statements of flannel shirt guy he is one of the first and only Witnesses in the case although Doug Carter also said that nobody actually saw Bridge guy so even that we really don't know the fact that the mere mention of fanel shirt guy is anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from True Crime enthusiasts on Reddit the fact that I believe law enforcement has been busy trying to cover up the mistakes they made early on leads me to believe that they inadvertently helped Bridge guy get away with this horrendous crime and continue to do so by withholding almost every piece of information possible from the public while at the same time begging for that one tip they need to make an arrest the behavior of law enforcement throughout the entirety of this case is to put it as nicely as possible questionable and to State the truth just plain stupid I'm not buying the fact that they just weren't equipped enough to handle an investigation of this magnitude calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really really bad choice two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time they had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrepect disrespecting their parents Guardians by running off to a friend's house just to show up later the family knew something was wrong law enforcement blew off their concerns and called off the search citing safety concerns for the Searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves just waiting for someone in law enforcement to find them that night you know the other thing is that I think might help in in considering these aspects imagine there's no there's no murder imagine the girls let's say one of the girls died due to some kind of injury and they were discovered the next day and she could have been saved if they hadn't called off the search I mean how does that look and I'll be getting to this more into this later but if Leen be this uh this mayor character Mr X and other let's say officers or people in official capacities in government or law enforcement if they're involved in some kind of other Rings either meth human trafficking whatever again we're in the post Epstein era so coincidence theorists they can't play stupid as much as they could have preepin but obviously the the government officials some government officials whatever minority whatever in percentage again I'm not stating that that it's that it's widespread or a lot but there are some there are some government officials involved in uh Insidious illegal illicit operations involving drugs Andor human trafficking so if there's an intersection overlap going on here for example if they know there's meth being cooked in those woods and it has something to do with an officer they might call off the search because they don't want to compromise that other side operation so they again they might be trying to cover up something not related to the crime nobody's saying well I'm not saying Leen be is Bridge guy and he murdered the teens again I I would say his Alibi would need be verified as well everybody should be but if he's trying to protect some other operation that he's involved with it could make sense again I'm not saying he's involved in the operation but if he is does that account for certain variables of course we know now that they were killed but as far as law enforcement was concerned that very night those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance and furthermore maybe they were alive again we really don't know Corner's report has not been rep released we don't know the official autopsy results or times of death and even if and the report could be mistaken as well again if there's funny business or corruption going on to cover something else up of course a report can be uh modified and altered the fact that they were given little to no information about what really happened to Abby and Libby other than they were murdered by Bridge guy from law enforcement says a lot more to me than law enforcement lets on they say they want to preserve the Integrity of the investigation they say they want to prevent false confessions they have most recently stated that they want to avoid Double Jeopardy what Double Jeopardy you say that you don't even have a suspect and you're waiting on that one tip to come in but you're worried about Double Jeopardy I'm confused what makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual particular this statement it was all over by 3:30 p.m. I believe that came from the leaked texts and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in law enforcement that piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesn't do a damn thing to preserve the Integrity of the investigation what it does do however is make law enforcement appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started that's an interesting point one thing I always have to remind myself of is that law enforcement is allowed to lie to the public I'm sure there are instances where it's been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes um also sure that it's used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification it was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off law enforcement for calling off that search after all there was nothing they could have done anyway it was all over by 3:30 then again what if it wasn't this whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn lastly I want to bring up Ron Logan and the dirty hand law enforcement dealt him throughout all of this so the girls were found on Ron Logan's property instant Person of Interest however there's one little problem Ron Logan couldn't have done it because he was violent the terms of his probation and was caught on camera drinking in a pizza parlor so the Stellar members of law enforcement have Ron Logan arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldn't have committed the crime but doing nothing to stop the entire Community from believing first that Ron Logan was a main suspect in the case and second believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect this was just the most underhanded disgusting display of we need a Fall Guy and law enforcement should be ashamed ofs then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information well guess what if I happen to be out there that day let's say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldn't have been doing and I witnessed something and had information I'm telling you right now I wouldn't think twice then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared exploitive that law enforcement would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to Ron Logan stupid stupid stupid I almost feel as though law enforcement doesn't want to solve this crime and that scares me so to end my novel I agree with you I believe Mr X is the guy have for a long time I also believe there are other factors that play here possibly being protected and I don't think Law Enforcement wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason could be to cover their own asses could be something more nefarious I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow I've been angry at law enforcement today regarding the case so very very astute comment by this Jennifer and the the only other thing though if law enforcement so let's say law enforcement knows Ron Logan is on camera it's verified plus they have whatever witness testimony traffic Camp they have whatever they need to 100% know that Ron Logan was not there any time any of these hours during the afternoon so here's the thing though because apparently Mr is friends with Ron Logan so were they intentionally putting the screws to Ron Logan so to speak to get him to give up these other characters involved and if he's involved in other criminal Enterprises that they think he might know something or some one of the other perpetrators involved and they're treating him this way now maybe it would have been more effective to offer him some kind of immunity or sentence reduction instead of throwing him in jail maybe they did and he refused it I mean who knows we don't really know the exact terms there but this might have uh this might have something else involved in terms of Ron Logan and uh Lindsay actually updated this as well he updated May 29th 2021 quite a few new rumors we have uncovered quite a few new rumors from sources that have tended to be quite good in the past I can't tell you who these people are but one is a woman named JM and the other is a man named MC JM also has Law Enforcement connections and she was the one who gave us testimonies from two Law Enforcement Officers a sheriff in a nearby County and a detective working in Narcotics all rumors are unverified unless otherwise stated the rumors this crime scene begins at the Robinson's backyard find it on a map near the dumpsite this goes the length of a football field or 300 ft law enforcement feels that the girls were marched down from the Robinsons to the site where they were killed Libby's phone was found at the scene but nothing could be obtained from it because it was destroyed I assume that bridge guy destroyed it all of the information from Libby's phone came from the cloud aby's phone was also recovered at the scene she may have hidden it in a tree Bridge guy is wearing a watch on his right hand among few other things indicates that bridg guy is left-handed verifi the bodies were discovered by following two sets of footprints leading down from the cemetery to the bodies wait a minute two sets of footprints I thought there was only one killer and why do the prints lead down to the bodies you mean the bodies were carried by the men who left the footprints down to the dump site he States this is verified and who are the other two men that were searching Logan's property cuz we have Mr X and the other two men did they know Mr X as well and are they connected okay neither Guardian was aware of this and one of them denies it altogether but both girls had boy friends how this ties into the crime if it all is unknown aby's Mother Anna bemoaned the fact that Abby died without having ever had her first kiss Anna has plenty of things to worry about regarding her daughter but perhaps she can rest a bit easier knowing that Abby at least got to have her first kiss and then some if observers at local football games are any indication aby's boyfriend was a 16-year-old boy I am not trying to cast dispersion on Abby's character I'm happy she got a boyfriend and got to experience some intimacy with another human being one of the peak experiences we can exper we can obtain in a lifetime and I very happy that she died at least having experienced her first kiss I'm happy to know she got to live a little bit before she died the part regarding Abby is verified again very weird phrasing here from uh Lindsay the boots seized by law enforcement in the fake bomb threat raid on the Indiana Packers are thought to be the exact type of boots that bridge guy was wearing uh they are waterproof extend up to the knee this would enable Bridge guy to walk across the creek without getting wet at all I believe there may have been something said about law said by law enforcement about Bridge gu's eyes being blue someone check me on this please at any rate the woman who was walking her dog is that the woman who saw Bridge guy on the south side of the bridge at 12:30 p.m. said his eyes were brown with a Hazel tint Bridge guy knew that bridge extremely well Dan McCain said he walks the bridge all the time and Bridge guy walked the bridge faster than Dan does Bridge guy absolutely knew his way around the bridge and the general surrounding area verified the Daniel nation's Tian rumor says a hatchet was used in the crime this is actually some very shocking news but it all makes sense we know that for some reason law enforcement was very interested in Nations who had been committing crimes involving hatchets Indiana Law Enforcement went all the way back to Colorado to talk to Colorado law enforcement about this crime we have been told that law enforcement also went back to another state to check out another criminal who had been committing crimes with a hatchet one wonders why on Earth law enforcement is going all the way back to other states to check out suspects committing crimes with hatchets well now we may have an answer there is now a rumor from the same same two sources above and from a second source that a hatchet was used in the deli murders one shutters to think of how it might have been used however one of the girls was killed by a deep cut to her neck rumor says she was almost decapitated another rumor says that only one in of skin was holding her neck on now the standard view all this time was that this attack was done with a knife probably a hunting knife probably one of the five hunting knives Bridge guy has in the deer kit around his waist however if you know out knives and The Cutting of throats typically a homicide victim with a cut throat is not cut very deeply because it's very hard to make a deep cut in a throat with a mere knife if you have seen any of the al-Qaeda and Isis beheading videos you can see that huge knives were used to decapitate the victims it's dubious that bridge guy had a huge knife on him however a single blow to a neck with a well-sharpened hatchet could and in many cases would indeed leave such a deep cut that one could nearly decapitate someone with a single swing although this is an unverified rumor it does have the advantage of explaining the odd interest law enforcement has had in Hatchet criminals in this case good transcription of the girl's conversation recorded on Libby's phone before the abduction this comes from aby's Mother Anna she was told this by a detective I do not know whether she was played the tape or not possibly she was the source is gry Hughes much as I dislike the man he's very strict about the truth far too strict in fact but due to this you can generally bet that when gray decides that something is true it almost certainly is Abby apparently looks up at Libby and says he's right behind me isn't he Abby apparently hurries to the other side of the bridge the girls discuss which way to go two ways are mentioned Abby says is that a gun he's got a gun followed by a click sound Bridge guy says hey followed by down the hill there was no further recording that was clearly discernable reports indicate that bridge guy was seen but no one can draw a picture closer than what is available okay so let's uh let's wrap this case up against uh Mr X here this former mayor possibly so let's just recap Mr X here some post on Reddit regarding this character he's my Numero Uno the truck being left there for so long is obviously a starting point he was very involved in the search he's the one who asked Ron Logan if they could search his property and was among the first people to spot the bodies he also had a strange gate that could match up with Bridge guys I know the bridge affects the gate but law enforcement did ask people to look at it he claimed to have a mental breakdown for 3 months following the crime certainly a huge behavioral change what I'd like to figure out is who his Alibi is and then of course people find it very interesting that he was living and working in Evansdale when the Evansdale murders occurred now some people counter his presence being that suspicious because if he was a family friend and family were asking people to search even before it was all made official or they made social media posts you know if anybody has seen Abby or Libby to contact the families whatever that they're missing Etc is he trying to be a Good Samaritan and he also happens to have a lot of mental issues even if he's innocent now if he's innocent and he has a lot of mental issues and he really did discover the bodies but was not guilty of whatever was done to them it's it is possible he could have a mental breakdown of some kind and again if he has severe mental issues that could explain some of this erratic Behavior but it's It's Curious none theeast and it is it coincidental that if a law enforcement officer was his Alibi that law enforcement officer happened to commit suicide now here's uh so people are arguing back and forth if bridg guy would have escaped the area as quickly as possible so here's a Counterpoint here why are you applying that line of thinking to someone who killed two girls in broad daylight of course that's if that happened perhaps they were killed later that night who knows you're thinking about this as how you would handle things if you were the one who killed these girls it wasn't you it was someone who was so sick and deranged that he compulsively grabbed two girls that fit his sick deranged fantasy criteria and In Cold Blood killed them in brutal fashion if you're a law enforcement said so kind of guy realize they think he was actually present at one if not both press conferences ask yourself why they think that and what kind of a person would do that also apparently Mike Patty said that he asked MIRS for permission to park his vehicle there huh so we of course have plenty more to go over and plenty more suspects to go over and I will be doing so in the coming episodes which should be released uh shortly as well I'll be trying to get all the suspects done as quickly as possible and then I'll also be releasing the deli police scanner audio cleaned up from February 14th 2017 and of course the reports that they were originally found in the water I mean there's so much in this case that just does not make sense and uh again I mean all we can do is really keep awareness up in the case awareness and pressure and uh hopefully Justice will be served soon enough hope you guys enjoyed another edition of the mindshock podcast and found it interesting if you do feel free to donate to our PayPal help support the channel help us get more mind shocking content out there and keep up awareness in all different types of cases missing persons Cold Case unsolved murders Etc just check the link in the 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will be naming names and dissecting the known information regarding suspects early on and more recent suspects and potentially damning evidence linking them to these murders and will be attempting to make heads or tails with some seemingly conflicting information contradictory information but at the same time certain variables that can't be dismissed with multiple suspects I mean how many suspects could potentially be involved here that could account for all these variables that is what will be going over and attempting to decipher in typical mind shock fashion so you guys might want to settle down this might be a long one we have so much to go over if you haven't checked out the previous 13 podcasts make sure to check them out because I go over the case all of the issues with the case all of the anomalies with the case and the seemingly Keystone cop investigation but it might not be that at all it might be intent itional infuscation and misdirection by law enforcement or it might be 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Robert Lindsay on uh Beyond high brow so I'm going to go over information from 2017 then I'm going to go into updated information from 2019 and then I'm going to go into the recent information from the past month or two and cuz I think there are are Clues hidden early on that may have been forgotten about glossed over disregarded and these particular Clues may be critical in Discerning which in individuals are involved or not involved and possible motivations and uh law enforcement connections obviously we have Derek German who potentially has blown the whistle on many individuals and that is why he got uh reduced sentences charges dismissed outright on someone with his rap sheet it does seem a little unusual unless there was more going on here is he a type of CI does he have connections to other individuals who are truly the guilty parties and is some of this on his part almost almost just wishful thinking and maybe he he's intentionally not considering the possibility that some individuals he's involved with might have wanted retribution of some kind so maybe he's kind of just intentionally deluded himself into thinking it's not possible therefore he's not intentionally deceiving or not going after these people he's kind of almost convinced himself that uh they're not involved therefore he refuses to look because he's too scared to open that Pandora's Box and it'd be hard to blame the guy I mean this is I mean obviously there such a tragedy it's a devastating situation no matter how you look at it but let's look at this blog post from Beyond highbrow Robert Lindsay August 30th 2017 Deli murders update August 30th 2017 update on the crime and a profile of a deline murder suspect new deline murders Update note to commenters one I am getting really sick and tired of saying this over and over but most of the material below is made up of rumors and my own opinions and theories none of that is presented as fact furthermore I am not using rumors as reliable sources as has been alleged I never said they were reliable sources how reliable is a rumor that's for you to determine but in general a rumor is not considered to be a reliable source and they are not treated as such below and just my own quick note here how often do rumors early on in True Crime cases turn out to be true I mean I just recently covered the T Tara Calico case you haven't checked that out check that out rumors of the sheriff's son being involved or people connected to the sheriff I mean it it's just crazy how many cases rumors ended up being true that's my only point there not that these specific rumors are true but they could be true so to dismiss them outright of course we have condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance that doesn't mean you need to believe the rumors there's no reason to believe or disbelieve and I don't know why that's so triggering for so many coincidence theorists out there that just think everything is rumor and conspiracy I'm not alleging it's true or untrue so it's kind of it's kind of silly and illogical to just jump to either side of the spectrum without doing the actual work without doing The Logical investigation which is what we're doing here the rest of what we are reporting are in general our hypothesis about the crime these hypotheses have changed several times in the course of this investigation but that's the way all detective work is if you don't want to be wrong don't be a detective because being a detective is all about being wrong so our hypothesis are just that if you are not sure what a hypothesis is go look it up it's just a guess or a hunch that you are setting out to prove we do not believe we have proved much about this crime yet but we do have a lot of hypotheses going all of those hypotheses are by their nature temporary and may be changed at any time if they are born out then they will become more permanent the only thing that is presented as fact are statements sourced from law enforcement or the media and again caveat that is not factual necessarily either just because someone in an official capacity reported something doesn't mean it's true especially from law enforcement we received so many directly conflicting statements obviously that's not a fact either if you have issues with rumors theories opinions hypothesis Etc just quit reading right now and get off my site and don't come back you will not be missed note to commenters too I thought I made this one thing perfectly clear as Richard Nixon used to say I have no sources whatsoever among the families of the girls I have no sources whatsoever in law enforcement local or otherwise there you go what I do have is sources close to the families these people generally live in Deli and the surrounding region so that makes my rumors even more hearside I'm not even talking to the families I'm talking to people who talk to the families of course I have no law enforcement sources I thought I made that clear never have yes I have talked to some of them but of course they didn't tell me a thing a couple times they told me that a certain person was a person of interest or that a certain person has been cleared with an airtight Alibi and again another caveat here just because law enforcement believe someone has an airtight Alibi does not mean they do law enforcement are human beings they are fallible and if they're taking as airtight the words of another individual is that really airtight and what constitutes airtight is there security footage of individual in question for the entirety of the Span in which the crime could have occurred which we don't even really have a time of death do we we don't have the Corner's report we don't have any of this information so as of right now there there really very few facts I suppose they don't mind giving out that information but other than that they don't tell me Jack it's hard enough to even get them to call you back I think if I asked them if my name was Robert Lindsay they would say I am sorry but I cannot comment on matters relating to an ongoing investigation that's how bad it is so what do I have once again I have sources who are close to law enforcement they get their information from law enforcement then they talk to me so once again this is even more hearsay as I am not even talking to law enforcement but to the people who are talking to law enforcement I really wish people would quit claiming I have law enforcement or family sources I just don't if you think I have these sources or if you have any problems at all with my sources just quit reading my stuff right now and get off my site you will not be missed Charming fella this guy is not to commenters three the lies never end the latest is Lindsay takes other people's theories and claims they are his own of course I don't this website is nothing but a compendium of rumors from all over the net regarding this crime I go through the rumors and try to rank them on a scale of weak to strong I compare them against other rumors to see which one is better all sorts of theories have been flying around since day one I report those two the theories are really just more rumors I'd say the vast majority of the rumors theories reported here were thought up by other people I find most of my theories on other sites about this crime that's how it works you know you get theories about the crime from others yes you use your own theories and you use other people's theories I really do not have the time to go down the list of theories and say where I got them from I have come up with a few of my own but even with those I guess someone else thought of them first also a lot of theories here are also the result of constant brainstorming I do with my fellow sleuths if you think I steal other people's ideas a laughable concept on its own or have problems with me reporting rumors get off the site right now you will not be missed okay so all of the really hot discussion and sleuthing on the site has headed over to the private password protected Forum where our team of 200 web sleuths has been working on this case and has assembled a huge case against our suspect including videos and many photographs this is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Deli Indiana on February 13 2017 in also contains some new evidence on the crime and a new rundown of the crime itself new information but first of all we have some new important information on a vehicle of interest in the crime more on the vehicle of interest in the case in the last report we detail the vehicle we believe is the vehicle of interest in this case the photo below is a photo of this voi this vehicle is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates it was seen seven miles south of Deli on the morning of this crime we are not sure who the man in the photo is but we feel he may be the man on the bridge the woman who lived here thought this vehicle was suspicious so she wrote down the license plate we believe this license number with the paper plates was either stolen or given to this man in coomo we traced the license plate back to komomo but we could not get any further information previously we thought this man rented this car we now believe that this man May own this vehicle the VII in the crime is said to be a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates it was last seen at the trail head by a witness at approximately 3:00 p.m. on February 13th which was exactly the time that this crime was occurring allegedly of course we actually don't know that that's not a fact as you can see the vehicle in this photo and the VII in the case have the same descriptions both are described as late model white Dodge Darts with paper plates we believe that the car below is the same car that was used in the crime 6 hours later on the bridge in Deli it stands to reason that this man may be the man on the bridge but we can't prove that yet I can tell you who this man man was visiting though this man was visiting a woman's son at This Woman's House the son lives a ways away but was visiting his mother at the time the man in the white car was reportedly visiting a man named BH at this home we have no information whatsoever on whether BH was involved in the crime that occurred later at the moment we have little reason to suspect that he was however he does have a criminal record and was arrested only a few days after the murders we do not understand the relationship between BH and the man with the white car we have no idea how they know each other or the reason for the visit that morning as we now believe that this car is owned by this man and not rented we now believe that the man on the bridge may have used his own car to commit the crime however he tried to cover it up by putting fake paper plates over his real plates we have a suspect who is rumored to drive a late model white Dodge Dart but we have not been able to prove that he actually has a car like that it's only a rumor we have been working to try to figure it out but car ownership information is hard to come by there are new reports coming in that the voi was seen by more people than just this one woman there are now reports that several people saw that car there at the bridge that day the reason we think The Late Model white Dodge Darts Dodge Dart with paper plates is the voi is because to our knowledge this is the only car seen that day that has not been cleared so I'm assuming that they're operating under the information that the black SUV with all the the stickers in the rear window was cleared and there's of course conflicting information on that as well now just to keep this in order there's actually not a a ton of information regarding this white Dodge Dart again there's so much conflicting information here but I'm going to go to paper blog.com and this is an update July 23rd 2017 and so this is prior to the August 30th uh blog that I was just reading so I will just go over this real quick this is a profile of a man who we feel is the best suspect in the double murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German in dela andiana February 13 2017 it also contains some new information okay the vehicle and a new photo that shows Bridge man stalking the girls vehicle of Interest the vehicle so it is a late model white Dodge Dart with paper plates this vehicle was spotted by a witness at the North End of the bridge at 300 p.m. on the day of the murders 2hour knowledge this is the only vehicle at the bridge that was not cleared so we assume it was the bridge man's car we believe the car was a rental car and the paper plates were stolen and again in the update they believe it was they now believe it was his car this same vehicle was also spotted 7 miles south of Deli at 7:00 a.m. on the morning of the murders at a woman's home the suspect was visiting a young man at the woman's home the woman thought that the suspect looked suspicious so she photographed him and wrote down his license number so this is interesting so again this is before the crime so a woman just thinks this guy suspicious so she photographed him and took down his license number we have that license number and we have several photographs of this vehicle with the suspect standing next to the trunk so he's that suspicious that this woman photographed him we believe that the car photographed in this vehicle was the same car used in the crime we have in okay so they uh they traced it to the nearby city of K we believe that the suspect either stole the plate in cacoma or someone provided to him at the time of the crime the license plate was still valid but it expired in April we believe these plates have probably been discarded this information has been shared with law enforcement but we have no idea if law enforcement agrees with us that this is the voi in the crime this is simply the C that the Beyond highbrow team of approximately 200 websleuths believes is the voi we have reason to believe that law enforcement may be interested in this Photograph although they have not made any statements to us about these photos nevertheless we feel that if you recognize the man in the photo or if you saw this vehicle or license number around the time of the crime we think you should notify law enforcement we also believe that you should give us any such information okay if you feel you are the man in the photo or that this is your vehicle then we feel you should go to law enforcement and inform them of that so you are no longer Under Suspicion nevertheless we have serious doubts that an innocent man vehicle or license number is being portrayed in this photo it is correct that law enforcement has not released any information about this photo but perhaps they may in the future although these photos have been released on some Facebook forums they have sparked little interest we have been holding these photos for a long time and we were afraid to release for fear of interfering with the investigation however with the release of the composite and after thinking long and hard I am having a hard time understanding releasing this information harms the case instead it may well prompt more tips also MSM news sites May pick up on the story which may prompt even more tips of course if law enforcement requests that we take the photos and information down we will comply so again in these photos it is it's kind of hard to tell what's going on here it's a guy at a trunk I mean you really these are not the most high resolution photographs in either way but you they really I mean there's really not much that can be gleaned here but let me continue here the photo was taken at 7:00 a.m. 7 mil south of Deli 8 hours before the deli murders occurred in that same town or allegedly occurred the person was at a woman's house visiting a friend okay new photo of the bridg man stalking the girls before the crime we believe that bridg man can be seen in Libby's photo of Abby walking on the bridge although he is very hard to make out he's hiding behind a tree to her right we have enlarged the photograph and circled the bridge man hiding behind a tree we feel this is the bridg man because the figure behind the tree matched the bridg man perfectly in the color of his clothing that is kind of creepy but yeah it's it's just so hard to make out it's so hard if you study this photo very closely you will see that the shadow behind the tree is a man-shaped figure further the shape of his body is identical to the shape of the man on the Bridge's body furthermore if you look even more closely you will see that based on the different colors of clothing of the man in the shadow the man behind the tree is wearing the exact same colored clothing as the man on the bridge therefore we conclude the shadow is the man on the bridge watching Abby on the bridge and stalking her very shortly before the bridge attack here's a second photo from the exact same location as the one with Abby in the bridge below notice that there is no Shadow hiding behind the tree why was it present in one photo missing in another I mean again you'd have to match up the exact time times it was taken Etc a suggestion is that it was a shadow that was there only on that day that is improbable and a further blow up of the photo shows that to be false as it clearly shows what the object is H yeah I mean yeah it's it's tough it's tough we believe that this photo shows the man on the bridge hiding behind a tree watching Abby as she walks on the bridge the actual murders items owned by the girl several items of jewelry were stolen by the Killer and $15 to $20 was also stolen there is a rumor that one girl had a backpack and the killer may have discarded it as he was leaving the scene the backpack has never been found we doubt if Libby's phone was recovered by law enforcement we believe all of the information on the phone was taken from the cloud before the phone died we believe her phone was taken by the killer we continue to believe that he may have disposed of it in a Gravel Pit Lake on the mir's property next door to Ron Logan's property we do not believe that law enforcement has yet searched or drained this Lake they would probably need a serious warrant to do that and I doubt if the mayor's wish to give law enforcement permission to search or drain the lake and that's an interesting point though because when did they get the phone did they find the phone at a later point and then they just didn't say when they recover heard it exactly when okay the audio tape of the crime only 6 minutes of the 40-minute video is known after you hear the killer say down the hill while they're assuming that's the killer saying down the hill you hear the sounds of people walking through the forest for several minutes I guess this is just Source from rumors you also hear the muffled voices of more than one person talking at this time although it is hard to make out what anyone is saying towards the end of the six minutes you hear the man and the girls crossing the creek which was knee high where they crossed I'll bet I see cold I don't know where they got this information so this is a group of around 200 webs loose so I'm I'm assuming they talked to people who listen to this 6 minutes so did law enforcement tell them there was 40 minutes and they played 6 minutes we believe the actual attack started after the three had crossed the creek it is unknown what prompted the attack the first attack consisted of a knife attack to the back of the neck of one of the girls the victim went down right after this attack at some time around this period you hear both girls screaming on the audio probably before the attack took place why no one heard these screams is not known it is not known what is on the rest of the audio but it appears to consist of the sounds of the two murders taking place both murders were apparently caught on audio INF full again I guess this is a combination of multiple sources of information rumor or not okay rumors and they did not classify this under rumor so next so on this uh paper blog.com they are classifying the rumors after the information I just went over regarding the tape so this is their classification again I'm not saying any this is true or untrue I have no idea rumors the following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt however the rumors in bold are apparently true to the best of our knowledge probably or fully true rumors both girls were disrobed either partially or fully one was naked but the other had a top on both girls were bottomless and the panties of both girls were found at some distance from the crime scene some of the girls clothing was found in the creek and again I am going to do another aside here because I've I've referenced the thermal imaging drone that did not pick up the bodies because if they were there only only within hours of murder being murdered and body temperature maintains between 30 minutes to 3 hours and then it drops between 1 to 1.5° per hour so they would clearly show up on a thermal IM iming drone unless the Drone was not working uh the operator has said it was working very well he could see all the people and deer even so the other thing is would they not find anything during their search in the creek now the area where the bodies were found again there's no there are no leaves on the trees this area is visible from from many points uh the person who allegedly found the bodies uh found them from the creek so they were magically not there until the next morning again I don't know this information is unknown I am not alleging something is true untrue it's just very curious how nothing seems to add up logically so the clothing was found in a spot that was previously searched I again I don't know what to make of that either way back to the uh rumors here so they're stating here this is probably or fully true one girl was propped up against a tree in a sitting position one girl had the top half of her body covered with leaves blood and dirt under Liberty's Nails dirt under aby's Nails aby's Nails badly torn up one girl has an F carved or burned into her chest police believe that Libby had four to five chances to escape but did not flee because she was so dedicated to her friend that she vowed to not leave her friend in this horrible state with this monster in real life they were inseparable more uncertain but plausible rumors at some point at least one of the girls was stricken with the blunt end of a gun at least one of the girls had the back of her head badly bashed in with a heavy object possibly a rock and again if some of somewh all of this is true it does point to more than one perpet traitor cuz if I I would assume I mean I guess theoretically it's possible an individual could use multiple weapons a knife a gun and a rock all separately on his Vic I mean I guess that is possible but a stake was driven vertically into the abdomen of one of the girls from the killer who was standing over her body this is another persistent rumor that we have made great efforts to refute but still have not been able to do so this stake to the stomach is one of the reasons for the consist istent rumors that one of the girls was pregnant it is not known if either girl was in the early stages of pregnancy however this is a persistent rumor that we have not been able to refute despite our best efforts to do so the rumor initially stated that one girl was pregnant but now it says that the other girl was pregnant another rumor is that part of the attack was set off by the killer becoming enraged when he found out one girl was pregnant how he found this out is not known but perhaps she told him in an effort to spare her life okay so I'm I'm I'm assuming this means that the rumors are coming from someone who knows the murderer and he relayed this information the killer used some sort of strong chemical to destroy any of his DNA left the scene the killer used shackles to Shackle the two girls together and he may have used chloroform to knock them out the girls were po in the crime scene okay inconsistent rumors there are inconsistent rumors of whether the girls were sexually assaulted or not one rumors says they were and in fact it goes into some detail about what happened during and after the assault we will not go into the details of this rumor at the moment for obvious reasons but the latest rumor apparently from the excellent source is that the girls were not sexually assaulted the bridg man and the suspect too many coincidences we believe that the bridg man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town the suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time around the period of the mid 80s to the mid 90s he was employed in the maintenance department where he where he was employed as an electrician we believe that the bridg man is a fisherman the suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism although the bridg man is said to be wearing a fanny pack in the bridge photo he is actually wearing what is called a deer kit this typically contains scissors knives etc for cutting up the game that the hunter has killed and the bridg man's pack may have contained similar items he may have used some of these items to cut up the girls the bridg man is definitely left-handed the suspect is also left-handed actually he is ambidextrous but he prefers his left hand we know the bridg man is Left-Handed because he has a left-handed gun holster strapped to his right side with a semi-auto atic pistol in it we know the bridg man has a gun on him as it can clearly be seen in outline under his jacket we believe that the bridg man's gun is either unregistered or stolen if stolen we believe he may have stolen it from Ron Logan somehow if this is true we do not understand this aspect of the case the bridg man is Bowlegged the suspect is also bowlegged probably from extensive horse riding as a youth this is one reason we favor an Amish or German Baptist connection for the suspect because the Amish ride horses everywhere the bridg man is duck-footed that is his feet go outward when he walks the suspect is also duck footed the bridge man has an injury to his left knee which is obvious in the moving images of him walking on the bridge the suspect also has a serious injury to his left knee has several deep stitches on it and sometimes wears a brace we have a photograph of the suspect's scarred knee and a photograph of the suspect wearing what appears to be a knee brace on his left knee the bridg man is 50 to 60 years old the suspect is 52 years old the bridg man is 58 to 510 and weighs 180 to 200 lb the suspect is 5'8 and when last weighed was 170 lb but that was a few years ago and he seems to have gained weight after his recent release from prison the bridg man appears to be in good shape for his age based on the way he easily navigates that rickety frightening Bridge being an avid Outdoorsman the suspect has been in great shape his whole life but he has recently developed a Ponch as a recent middle-age development the bridg man smokes and is smoking during the crime he may also smoke cigarillos as a cigarillo rapper was found at the scene the suspect also smokes and he does smoke cigarillos we have a video of the suspect smoking a cigarillo and okay just a quick aside Point here with this is it possible rapper was nearby the scene and was at the scene before the girls were put to the scene and has nothing to do with the crime again this is the Wilderness there's rappers and and various trash that can be found that's not too far away from Trails so the other thing we haven't really discussed is it possible someone stumbled upon the crime scene that was not responsible for the crime but didn't report it out of fear possi they're a criminal so it's yeah it's tough to to Really account for a lot of these variables is it possible someone stumbled across the scene a criminal and then they left and some of the rumors were from this individual that did not want to report it to the police or or say that he found it even though he did even if he was not involved in the crime in any way but carrying on here the suspect was photographed the night before the crime in Indianapolis we have two of these photographs in one of these photographs the suspect is standing next to a white compact car we believe that a white compact vehicle was used by bridg man to commit this crime we believe that these photographs were used by the suspect to foreshadow the crime he may have intended to commit the next day by leaving tantalizing Clues which is something he loves to do in the number and strangeness of the tantalizing Clues the suspect leaves about his purported crimes the suspect REM resembles the Zodiac killer BTK and others the suspect also likes to ridicule and mock law enforcement and do law enforcement know that during the press conferences when they believe that he was in the room and they believe they've even talked to him or interviewed him in some capacity that's interesting if this case ever goes to trial it may go down in history on the same level as those other crimes where the criminal left Clues behind to tease and taunt law enforcement the suspect suspect's back background and life story the suspect resides within a 20m radius of deli and continues to reside there at this moment the suspect is a former resident who grew up in Deli right around the area of the crime and still knows all of the land owners around there including Ron Logan Marvin Sandifer the Mires and Ivan brumal the suspect is either Amish shund or German Baptist or is strongly associated with one of those communities he knows the area around the crime scene including Logan's land Deer Creek itself and the bridge like the back of his hand the suspect has a low education level but probably graduated from high school the suspect has a very messy divorce with his ex-wife including violent child custody issues the suspect did a short stint in prison for badly assaulting his ex-wife the suspect has a long record of mostly minor crimes with some jail stins and one short prison stin all crimes were committed in Indiana crimes were mostly repeated drunk driving but also invading the home of menacing and badly beating up an ex-wife all of his Ex-Wives how many does he have have no contact orders against him which implies domestic violence on his part in terms of crimes for which he has not been caught he has engaged in petty theft the suspect is no longer employed but in the past he worked to different jobs including handyman and electrician social aspects the suspect has strong warm feelings towards his two grown children and seems to have a great relationship with them the suspect has a new girlfriend about his age who may be a native of the region she is a kind sweet gentle lady who absolutely adores the suspect and nearly worships him as a god they appear to have a stable warm loving relationship she is completely clueless about his dark side but he is good at hiding that anyway relations with the ex-wife are not known although both the suspect and the ex-wife recently showed up for his son his son's High School graduation some say that the suspect has strong hatred for his ex-wife but this is uncertain the suspect has a circle of warm friends with whom he has good relations these are very masculine tough hard outdoor men of about the same age who think he is completely on the up and up he's fooling them all the suspect can seem quite warm and finally like your best friend he is easy to befriend and when he befriended and when befriended seems charming and disarming and seems increasingly harmless the more you get to know him psychological profile the suspect has an axis 2 cluster B pathology the suspect is a psychopath and has narcissism narcissistic personality disorder malignant narcissism the suspect has access has no AIS one disorders he is not psychotic in fact he is very sane almost too sane and that is part of how he gets away with his purported crimes there are no signs of mood disorder the suspect appears calm with little or no anxiety issues the suspect is strongly heterosexual although rage and hatred towards females seems apparent with the crime the suspect may have committed these feelings are otherwise not obvious in his life the suspect sometimes displays hostility to women a lot of men do this when provoked but he does it with little provocation and his reactions are quite extreme often including vague rape and death threats the suspect is very masculine in the manner of many middle-aged men in the area he is a hard ass a tough guy who uses foul language and has a rough and sometimes menacing way of speaking the suspect seems normal but the following adjectives also describe him well sneaky devious unreadable slick bad boy naughty playful Outlaw gleam in his eye and rebellious he appears to be hiding something or keeping some sort of secret there is a general feeling of what you see is not what you get he is a common in a few different ways he is an enigma puzzling and very hard to figure out an actor who sees Life as a series of roles he does not appear suspicious at all to most observers instead he hides in plain sight and blends right in with Society he is very capable of fooling people an Academy Award actor who sees life as an endless series of roles to be played based on whatever the needs of the given situation may be the suspect is capable of fooling people so easily because he is a sneaky devious underhanded conspiring and plotting man most of his actions are well plotted and planned even calculated to the point of being choreographed The Suspect displays little spontaneity other than regular rages his IQ is surely within 84 to 116 normal range 2/3 of the population and probably within the to 110 range half the population though he may be towards the lower end however the suspect is much more intelligent than he appears and possesses a sheer animal devious and utterly cunning intelligence in terms of this sort of intelligence he has a genius IQ he is a very hard man to fool and he is an expert at reading others the suspect has a violent hair trigger temper which can be set off at any time with little provocation although he has committed acts of serious violence in the past this temper never nevertheless generally takes a verbal rather than physical form and consists of Menace threats stalking harassment terrorizing and intimidation the suspect takes little or no responsibility for his actions and blames others for everything he attacks others and then claims to be acting in self-defense the suspect is a pathological liar truth is mixed in with lies and fabrications to the point where he believes his own lies and even gets caught in them reactions when caught in his pathological lying are temper tantrums rage ranting and vealed threats via angry and menacing language in his court cases the suspect engaged in Shameless pathological defense of lying and blaming of others the suspect has the following life themes you can't win they've got it in for me life is a game I'm fooling them suspect verbal style the suspect has a versatile verbal style and can seem sentimental poetic moving and even philosophical he is capable of fooling people into thinking he is a person person who cares deeply about life's small and kind wonders verbal defenses are denial rage Rants and especially redirection other defenses include an excellent ability at distracting people and directing attention away from what is important for this he utilizes red herrings irrelevancies redirection Minor Details fussing wrong turns wrong directions wrong way streets red herrings and misdirection he also uses countless aliases and even steals identities to make new aliases the is also a Storyteller and likes to tell long rambling colorful Mark Twain style stories that tell it like it is about what seem to be ordinary people in ordinary communities but in fact are anything but that he can be quite entertaining in this role he turns off some who find him a quasi literate blowhard but others find him quite entertaining as his stories could be seen as Charming the motivation for this crime is hard to figure out but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers although there is no evidence yet that bridg man has killed other people he certainly may have hence we believe he is a serial killer type instead of a serial killer in that case the motivation for the crime is of a sexually sadistic Psychopathic serial type appearance lifestyle habits beliefs opinions the suspect has one large tattoo on his upper right front shoulder we do not know what this is a tattoo of Lifestyle the suspect has some sort of gang ties with the Arian Brotherhood possibly as a result of his incarceration we have photographs of the suspect throwing Arian Brotherhood gang signs nevertheless we have little evidence that he's a white supremacist and on his Facebook page he comes across as an anti-racist even a coastal liberal variety he may have only joined the ab for protection in prison the suspect appears to be a Carefree practical joker who lives a playful laid-back easygoing lifestyle where most things are jokes and little is to be taken seriously Life of the Party habits the suspect is a regular drug user he most uses Marana which he enjoys a lot we also believe he may be deeply involved in methamphetamine even to the point of manufacture and dealing the suspect was formerly a very heavy drinker and many problems especially legal ones resulted from this we believe he may no longer drink beliefs and opinions the suspect's philosophical Outlook can be summed up as a cynical one that humans or animal are lousy animals driven by low base interests and who are corrupt at their core he accused uses law enforcement and small town government people in the midwest as corrupt he paints of Tobacco Road sleeves in the underbelly of Mayberry RFD small town White America is offended cynical fatalistic and somewhat disgusted the good citizen outraged by sleazy omnipresent corruption the suspect has a very low opinion of law enforcement in Deli in the surrounding area as he claims that they ran him out of town as a criminal Pest and chronic drunk driving offender he has a grudge against local law enforcement the suspect's political beliefs are quite liberal he comes across as a sort of Aging hippie type unusual for Indiana suspect role in the investigation the suspect has inserted himself deeply in the investigation to an almost unprecedented degree he is now one of the most well-known people who are trying to find the killer in part this is being done to to divert attention away from himself but another Factor seems to be narcissism possibly even malignant narcissism which means he can't help himself he also loves the Limelight the sound of his own voice is something of a publicity hounds likes the idea that he is hiding right under the noses of everyone and getting away with it and thinks this is some sort of joke the suspect's attitude toward the investigation is hard to figure we believe he is nervous and fearful of being caught but also sees the whole thing as a hilarious game game of Kat Mouse he's fooling law enforcement in all of society getting away with murder and hiding right under their noses he also seems to be playing a game of nener nener I'm the Killer and you'll never catch me haha in this sense he resembles the Zodiac and BTK the suspect sought out law enforcement early in the investigation in order to leave a tip we have a video of him calling in this phone tip we believe he did this as part of a plan to frame an innocent man we believe he was originally going to commit this crime and then lay low but changed after he was photographed and recorded on audio over the next month he then formulated an elaborate case to try to frame an innocent man a former workmate who he had a falling out with this consisted of a very long and elaborate Theory which did not make much sense on examination further the man he attempted to frame did not seem to like the type did not seem like the type to do such a crime he also included a number of videos as part of this plan he then went out on the internet and tried to promulgate this theory on a number of websites and on Facebook and YouTube he was fairly successful at this until some people started catching on to his scheme okay so let's uh go back to the original update reportedly a photo of a white compact car near the mon high bridge on the day of the murders however this car does not match up to the white vehicle photographed in front of the woman's house there are suggestions that this photo may not have even been taken on that day or in that place it has been traced back to a woman who is trying to frame her ex-husband for this crime so this photo May simply be a photo of his vehicle bottom line is this photo has no relevance to the case okay that's a mind shock so is this Dodge Dart photo does that explain why this particular woman randomly photographed this guy her ex-husband and his vehicle and and then try to tie it to the deli case as some kind of opportunity frame job again I don't know I don't know and how did they determine that either way continuing on here despite the red herring and the dead end regarding the photo above we are hearing that more people are coming forward saying that they say a that they say a white late model Dodge Dart with paper plates at the bridge around the time of the crimes but no photos have emerged yet of this vehicle at Monon bridge that day so did this did this woman simply have an ex-husband that also had a white Dodge Dart I mean that's not the most that's not the most rare vehicle in the world although it it wasn't incredibly popular either there were in 2012 there were 25,33 Dodge Darts sold in 2013 there were 83,8 in 2014 83,8 58 in 2015 87,00 , 392 in 2016 44,50 and uh in 2017 10,800 uh 10,082 so yeah it's it's not that popular either now what percentage of those were white apparently there were only 12 colors there were two white colors bright white and bright silver so the whites were roughly 12 25% of Global Production numbers for example in 2013 so somewhere between 10 to 15% white so yeah it's not the rarest car but it's also not it's not a Camry or Corolla either so yeah I mean I don't know maybe there's something there and it definitely worth pursuing it's it's rare enough to the point where there there might not be tens of thousands of them or even thousands of them I mean there's probably a limited number of white late model Dodge Darts in the deli area at the time so perhaps perhaps there is something there I don't know now if this woman who wanted to get back at her ex if her ex happened to have one of these white Dodge Darts did she take that opportunity to try to make life difficult for him who knows you know what would be kind of crazy if if if she didn't if he really was involved but she didn't know that and she was just trying to make his life difficult because she didn't like him that that that would be truly mind shocking but okay so let's continue on here there are different stories regarding the woman who took these photos and the Man in the photo the woman was reportedly shown a number of photos of different men and asked if any of them were the man with the white car when shown a photo of our suspect the woman supposedly pulled her car over to the side of the road leaned out the car door and vomited so she had a very violent involuntary reaction to a photo of our suspect however before this happened she was shown a number of photos of possible persons who the man by the white car might be and the woman was saying yes to all of them obviously they are not all the man by the white car unfortunately this witness has serious credibility issues okay more about the home where the photo was taken unfortunately This Woman's home and life's involvement in this tale is not over the day before the killings two persons came over to visit her daughter these persons okay the two picked up picked her up and took off to go to the woods by the bridge supposedly to cook up methamphetamine okay all right so if this is all true is the coincidence stack kind of crazy so this woman now she's not not named and uh the day before the murders two people come over to visit her daughter and they just randomly go near the mon on high bridge to cook meth the next day this random guy with a white Dodge Dart who happens to be her ex-husband is at her house I mean I don't know what's what's going on here we're we're we're going really far into M sh now the notion that there were meth cookers in the woods that afternoon led to all sorts of what I call the meth Theory most involved these dealers and cookers and apparently the three people above killing the two girls for all sorts of possible reasons mostly that the girls happened upon the meth cooking operation these theories in general are no good and I reject all of them nevertheless over the period of 2 between 2 and 12 a.m. and 2 and between 212 215 these three were gone and were reportedly cooking meth at some point during this time frame but it's not exactly known when or where all of these people were high out of their minds on meth and heroin for 3 days and all used benzo dipine that is known for pretty much erasing your memory the daughter came home late on 215 beaten up and complained that she had been beaten and G gang raped and at some point over this period okay wow so there are people cooking meth in the woods near the bridge there's all these possible assaults and rapes going on all within these two days this is really bizarre people thought this may have happened in the woods maybe when the girls were being killed but this gang rape probably occurred elsewhere probably in someone home so it's just randomly happening at the same time that Libby and Abby are being killed at the same time there is rumored to be a photo of men on their knees with their pants down kneeling around the body of a naked woman for sometime people wondered if this was a photo of what was done to the girls but now it appears that if this photo exists it depicts this gangrape of this woman's daughter and not any rape or murder of the girls weird Okay so this woman's daughter was reportedly a willing partner in the gang rape as it was done as a gang initiation to initiate her into some gang now what does willing mean if they're all on meth out of their minds is she able to knowingly consent if they're all on meth I mean I don't know doesn't that impair your judgment to the point that you would technically not be able to legally consent to something the gang appears to be an argu Brotherhood white supremacist organization but it is not the Arian Brotherhood instead it is some local group not affiliated with them after the initiation This Woman's daughter became the property of the gang and they could do whatever they wanted to her they could sell her give her away to other people force her to prostitute herself all sorts of things that definitely sounds like a gang you want to join right as a result of the gang rape in which this other individual probably participated the woman's da was given to this individual by the gang her boyfriend for the next 6 weeks but apparently she was forced into this relationship when she returned home the woman called the police on all of them and one of these individuals was arrested that day February 15th on meth charges in the aftermath of the 3-day ordeal the woman's daughter reportedly confessed in part to the murder of the girls okay so is this one of the reasons why law enforcement has been relatively tight lied if there's some kind of meth ring gang with all of this going on and they were so high on drugs they don't know exactly what happened and they're confessing but there's no evidence what would law enforcement do in that situation would they release this evidence to the public or not this is pretty this is kind of bizarre So This Woman's daughter the the woman who apparently took a photo of her ex-husband with this white Dodge Dart her daughter is supposedly part of this methine gang operation so she reportedly confessed in part to the murder of the girls she stated that she wanted to know what it felt like to stab someone so she stabbed someone she did not know who she stabbed when or where now here's the crazy part if these people really are on meth completely out of their minds and they're just these black spots in their memory and they truly can't remember wow I mean this is crazy would that occur for the case not being able to be solved but the problem is what about the evidence wouldn't there be EV physical evidence of this if it really did occur furthermore all of their minds were as good as erased for the 3-day period due to the benzo ingestion I am not sure if her confession has been turned into the police so I guess she confessed to someone else not the okay so maybe the police don't know this okay or it was reported to the police they didn't take it seriously is that is that a possibility we believe this is a false confession the result of a beating a gang rpe in 3 days of heavy drug use anyway she has no details about the stabbing furthermore she does not seem capable of murdering these girls uh the individuals she was with are pretty lousy men but from what I know about them I can't see them murdering these girls especially for no particular reason the woman has been interviewed by both the the FBI and the Indiana State Police huh we do not know what has come of this but our information is that law enforcement does not believe the meth theory of the murders is a valid hypothesis as far as this woman's daughter goes at some point she was sold to a man up in Wisconsin she had to go up there and live with this man who bought her for a month or so later she was in rehab this woman makes a lot of dubious choices has terrible friends and has gotten herself into a heap of trouble but I don't think she's a murderer okay the actual murders rumors the following consists of a number of rumors about how the girls were killed most of these rumors have not yet been validated and should be taken with a huge grain of salt however the rumors and italics are apparently true to the best of our knowledge Pro okay so we went over these previously okay all of these rumors okay new rumors there are some shocking new rumors that have recently surfaced the Blockbuster is from the wife of a law enforcement officer who was working on the case her husband could not sleep at night and he finally broke down and told her what was done to the girls the law enforcement officer reported that branches or bundles of sticks had been shoved into the girls genitals furthermore the girls had numerous stab wounds and branches or stick bundles were shoved into these two there had been a longstanding rumors that one of the girls had a stake rammed into her from above we have been attacked viciously for reporting this we may have tried very hard to negate that rumor but we have never been able to do so now with this new rumor it seems finally that there was something to the stake rumor all along another is the involvement of a large knife with a gut hook in this crime after the crime happened law enforcement were asking around at local hardware stores if anyone had bought a large knife with a gut hook recently they asked this at the CVS near the bridge there are two possibilities here one is that a knife like this was used on the girls and law enforcement were able to determine this by looking at the nature of the wounds the other possibility is that the killer used this knife in the crime and then left it at the scene for whatever reason at the moment we favor the theory that the knife was left at the scene by the killer but there's no hard evidence one way or the other we also have new information about the witnesses who saw the bridge man in the area that day who were used to draw the composite one wonders where the witnesses saw the bridg man one rumor says he was seen parked in his car next to the cemetery the other stories are simply that a few people saw the bridg man around the bridge at the time okay the bridg man and our suspect too many coinci incidences we believe that the bridg man is wearing boots from the Indiana Packers plant in town the suspect formerly worked at Indiana Packers for a significant period of time from the mid90s to the mid 2000s and may have retained work boots from that job we believe that the bridg man is a fisherman the suspect is an avid fisherman almost to the point of obsession and fanaticism the bridg man is definitely left-handed suspect is also left-handed actually he's ambidextrous but prefers his left hand and we actually went over all of this info of their suspect we believe that the bridg man's gun is an M1911 early model pre-1986 as far as how this gun was acquired one theory is that this gun was purchased also from the Amish as they have many such guns available for cheap the other possibility is that Bridgeman stole this gun from Ron Logan of all people in December Logan had many guns stolen from his house by a young druggy woman he had living there if this gun is stolen from Logan it may be from this Heist as no doubt these stolen guns were distributed around we are not sure at the moment which of these two theories is true or even if either of them are however we believe that the type of model number and year is correct and the ultimate Providence of this gun May well have been via a purchase from the Amish as you can see above the bridg man has three different objects that we believe may have been Pur purchased from the abish we believe that the bridg man has some connection to the Amish community he is either Amish himself possibly shunned Amish or he grew up around the Omission German Baptists and knows them very well indeed we believe the bridg man grew up in Deli not far from where the crime occurred next we move on to another object in the bridg man's possession that has caused a lot of puzzlement no one quite knows what this object is we had a few hypothesis of what it was but they did not test out well we believe we have now settled in an excellent theory of what this object is see the photo above and also the longer distance photo of the bridg man above to see the object for yourself it is definitely there it is a strange rectangular object that is somehow strapped to the bridge guy's left pant leg when we blew up this photo at first all we saw was a strange W object we had no idea what it was one of our sleuths asked at work and a woman at work said she thought it was something called a net fishing bag that's Fisher sometimes use she had one herself but we still needed to explain the rectangular object at the fishing bag did not explain it well upon rotating the object we're able to see it better now we could see a bag-shaped object the net fishing bag inclosed enclosing the rectangular object but that but what was the rectangular object via this view we decided that the rectangular object was a knife carrying kit with knives in it we counted three knives in the kit based on the shape we felt that they were fishing filet knives so the rectangular object is a net fishing bag with a knife carrying kit inside with with three fishing filet knives the photo below shows some of the type of knives that may be inside this knife kit if this theory of the object is valid more things become clear the bridg man may very well be a fisherman after all he has a fishing kit on him he may also be a hunter based on the deer kit on the other hand deer kits like that are sometimes also called a fisherman's kit We Believe another key to the crime is fishing fish and fisherman next we'll move on to the bridg man's boots first of all we believe he is wearing boots and not sneakers or tennis shoes the boots are black notice the white stripe going all around the boots now look closely at the boots below several days after the crime law enforcement released this photo of these boots in an Evidence bag then they said that the boots had nothing to do with the crime but law enforcement always says things like that a couple of days before Indiana State Police had raided Indiana Packers the state ated reason was a bomb threat but we believe there was no bomb threat instead that was just an excuse to shut down the Plant and raid after law enforcement were done with the raid they walked away with a pair of Indiana Packers work boots a few days later a photo of these boots is released innocently to the media however they are in an Evidence bag obviously law enforcement felt these were the model of boots the bridg man was wearing when we blow up the bridg man's boots we see now that his black boots with the white stripe all around them are an excellent match for the boots in the evidence bag the blowup of the bridge man below is interesting for two reasons first of all he is not smoking something in that photo the cigarette in the right of his mouth was photoshopped in it is not known if the Smoke on the left of side of his face was also faked however one thing is obvious in this photo and in any photo of the bridg man and that is his massive nose however look at the composite below see any massive nose of course not so what gives look back at that huge nose in the blowup but no matter what it's huge in any video of the bridg man many have remarked on his huge nose but he has no huge nose his nose is quite average solution to the problem simple the bridg man is disguising himself by wearing a fake nose waa problem solved huh the motivation for this crime is hard to figure out but we suspect it may be similar to many serial killers although there is no evidence yet that the bridg man has killed other people Beyond this crime he certainly may have hence we believe the bridg man is a serial killer type instead of a serial killer in that case the motivation for the crime is that of a sexually sadistic Psychopathic serial type killer we know much more about the bridg man but are not releasing it due to fears of harming the investigation all of this information was officially turned over to law enforcement on Friday July 21st and one more point about the Dodge Dart let's go to uh WNDU News and this was published April 30th 2018 Indiana murder suspect killed in crash police searching for second man an Indiana murder suspect is one of three people who are dead after the car they were in crossed the center line and hit a garbage truck head on it happened around 8:20 Sunday morning State Road 15 near Road 1100 South in Wabash County police don't know why the Dodge Dart crossed the center line and hit the truck 19-year-old driver Teresa Williams 21-year-old passengers Thomas Reed and Caleb minin were killed minin is a suspect in a murder last week in La Fontaine Indiana Jordan Richards 22 was shot and killed in his home on Wednesday one of the guns stolen from his home was found in the Dodge after the crash now police say the other murder ECT is still on the loose Cory Kelch 22 is considered armed and dangerous he is 5'8 weighs approximately 125 lbs brown hair brown eyes if you see him call the police and it doesn't say whether this was a white Dodge Dart or not but it's just curious again we went over the production numbers this is not like a random Toyota I mean this Dodge Dart is not one of the most popular Vehicles if this one was white is it possible it's connected to the other Dodge Dart in the deli case and again some people are alleging it might be a red herring but again we really don't know okay so continuing to Robert lind's newest posts here this is April 13th 2021 so a little over a month ago stunning rumors about the murders and related matters now officially proven and this is of course if you take his word on things and if I didn't do the disclaimer earlier I mean this guy clearly has some psychotic Tendencies I do not recommend reading most of his other blog it is just uh it's really bizarre really really bizarre but uh what's strange is some of what he's writing here about Deli is corroborated in other places as a very small portion but still so if he really does have this law enforcement Source uh again his law enforcement Source might be giving him information that the source believes to be true even if it's not we have to keep that in mind so he's uh he also RS endlessly about uh how he is perceived by others I mean clear issues here mental issues but people should listen to me which they never do I mean again it's it's crazy but he is these are his comments on even his own suspect Mr X okay finally after 4 years acquisition of good law enforcement sources it turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective he's bored and has nothing to do so we recruited him to sleuth for us he is happy to do so he has connections with current law enforcement officers in Indiana we are not sure if we should say where but they are not in the town of Deli or in Carol County yes insane discredited Liars like us have former detectives as part of our team and again we really don't know if Robert Lindsay his story about his 200 plus members of just this private sleuthing is even correct but out of all the individuals out there it's not hard to believe that approximately 200 individual I mean there's Facebook groups with more than that people that are kind of sleuthing so to speak so again I don't know which way this would more likely be we sent him off to dig into Mr X he went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from law enforcement that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact we do not believe his Indiana Law Enforcement connection are working on the case that we are aware of instead they are law enforcement Street officers but they have learned a number of things via the law enforcement grape vine we would like to point out that we have finally some very good sources you can't do better than law enforcement and have acquired case documents we have been looking for 4 years years many more of the things we say in our articles are going to be shown to be true because our sources have gotten so much better hence the speculations and rumors will rest on a more solid and factual basis as time goes by we get more and more correct on here as we start filling in the blanks of the jigsaw puzzle we have worked closely with law enforcement in the past a few years ago an Indiana state police detective contacted us and asked for everything we had on a suspect they were looking into we went down the rabbit hole about this man for two 3 years but we finally decided while he's an awful person he didn't kill those girls in the past a local sheriff's deputy in a county near Deli was one of our most active members particularly with Graphics he was hiding Incognito and again I'm not sure how much linday believes in law enforcement corruption but uh he was stating that this individual I mean there's a lot of different theories one of them is this individual's Alibi is in fact Deli Long enforcement and that other Deli law enforcement are skeptical of this particular law enforcement officer that provided The Alibi for the individual in question so yeah there there's a lot of Madness going on okay Mr X is incidental proven guilty I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr X I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr X I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way do not harass or bother this man or his family in any way shape or form no one knows if he did this crime or not maybe he did maybe he didn't now that is a sign of objectivity which is more than what can be said uh with other podcasters commentators on this case yes this man is the prime suspect at the moment but that doesn't mean a whole lot twice in the Evansdale murders law enforcement thought they were certain that they had had the right man twice they were wrong they have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case but all of the suspects fell through and that's another interesting point there a lot of The Coincidence theorists and the authority worshipping cultists they just hang on every word of law enforcement completely ignoring how often law enforcement is wrong just because law enforcement said ABC doesn't mean it's true XYZ could be true especially when law enforcement has so many different options and they move it forward as if it were the truth of course there's a lot of innocent people in prison or innocent for the crimes they were accused of maybe they were guilty of other crimes but yeah it's just it's Madness all around Mr X is not even at the person of interest stage in this case Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect and he hasn't even risen to that level yet no one knows if Mr X is guilty or not I happen to think he probably did it but what do I know law enforcement doesn't have much in the way of good solid evidence against Mr X at this time they have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it but if you look at the nature of their actual evidence it's awfully thin in fact the rumor and a long-standing one at that is that law enforcement simply does not have enough evidence against Mr X to take the case to court DA's require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone if the da does not think he has enough in a homicide case to win in court they won't take it to trial at this point they don't even have enough for an arrest say for instance law enforcement arrested Mr X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls if they tried to take it to court I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage the judge would say you don't have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court that's very embarrassing furthermore homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with the judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right sure they do if only to protect the due process rights of the accused there are cases like this all over the country a famous one is the Lewiston killer in Lewiston Idaho in the late '70s he killed at least five people specializing in young women the police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect who is named committed the crimes he has since moved back to North Carolina and young women have begun to disappear from the trials there now huh there is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who's responsible for 5 to 10 Child Murders they don't have enough to take him to trial a book has been published accusing him of this crime he is brazen openly admits to being a pedophile goes to the victim's Graves and leaves flowers and visits the victim's families to offer soless for their losses see the sort of games these guys play a police chief in a town over there accused the man of committing these crimes the man sued the city and won $50,000 this is why you don't hear law enforcement coming out and openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they are sure they did it and have enough evidence to take them to trial and these are just the suspected serials running around free there are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides where law enforcement feels that they know who did it but don't have enough evidence to take them to trial if Mr X were on trial for these murders today and I were in the jury I would vote to acit him yes I think Mr X did the crime but my opinion isn't worth anything and if Mr X was being tried today and I was on the jury I would certainly vote to acquit because it doesn't matter whether I think he's guilty or not the state has to prove it if I were on the jury the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr X committed this crime and with the evidence they currently have they haven't proven it so I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr X walk and in all probability br brid guy would be free to walk the streets again that's the price you pay to live in a free Society wow okay very interesting there but it it is curious that Robert Lindsay not that he would actually do this if he was on the on the the jury we really don't know but he says he would so he does have a clear understanding of how the court system works which again is is a bit more than we can say about a lot of other people time to give up on all these pois this is just getting ridiculous no one has to believe me when I tell them that law enforcement has a suspect who they think committed the deli murders maybe he did maybe he didn't maybe law enforcement is wrong they've been wrong many times before in cases like this particularly in sex murders of little children they often have their eye on one suspect for a long time until it turns out he's no good anyway I think there are a number of suspects that ought to be put to rest Ron Logan enough already give it a rest damn it how many times has he been cleared 24 too maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure however we believe that an interesting theory is that brid guy may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons bridgeguy was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore and he took the girls to Ron's land and killed them there now that is a curious point because the people that really believe Ron Logan did it would Ron Logan be that dumb though because to wear those clothes to kill him on his property it it does seem like it makes more sense that someone would be trying to frame him than him being the perpetrator unless of course there was some kind of situation where he and another criminal planned to take them elsewhere and something happened and there was a falling out with Ron Logan and then they tried to frame him and he really was involved in the crime because then that could sort of make sense but again unless he has a split personality something like Steven Avery that's trying to frame him self it seems unlikely that Ron Logan would he himself leave the bodies on his own property Mike Patty just stop okay he's innocent leave the poor man alone for God's sake hasn't he suffered enough no he didn't kill his own granddaughter damn it come on people now Mike Patty's a little bit more Curious everything from his behavior to his look to even supposedly bodily injuries that he had on his person in the day after the murders occurred and there's there's a lot there uh and supposedly he is not Liberty's uh relative by Blood okay Becky Patty obviously they're not accusing her of the homicides the accusation is that she knows something or knows way too much and is covering for someone presumably the killer I doubt it no one's been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty it's as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged it to suffer for them all Jesus like not quite sainthood but getting there I heard that at the 29 19 conference she burst into tears well of course she did it's no surprise she still hasn't been able to process this assuming such a thing can never be processed she has channeled her pain into grief and sadness others close to the victims who I will not name have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them it's an understandable reaction but they're still not pleasant to be around this person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outward it's pretty much at the world I won't reveal who I am talking about here although it should be obvious I will say that Libby's birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful both of these people were probably ragers before so it's not like they did a u-turn and how would he even know this this is why people accuse him of just being a complete psychotic Robert Lindsay of course is is who I'm blog who I'm reading right here of course we empathize with their losses but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face let's hope they find some peace I mean is he speaking from experience here has Robert Lindsay himself approached these people he said he didn't but again can we trust him Becky Patty is internalizing her pain in putting it outwards which is at least more pro-social someone like Mike Patty may be dealing with the pain by disassociating as we men do people think we are stoic but really we are disassociating the feelings are there you push them shove them out at others or disassociate them into the ether or better yet your subconscious everyone's got their style Whatever Gets You Through the Night the last person on Earth to protect the Killer is poor Becky Patty God bless her mortal so Derek German Libby's father meth dealer convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence he has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away I don't know this man very well but he wasn't in on this crime and it's curious how would Robert Lindsay know this he's saying that even his Mr X his Person of Interest his main suspect who he thinks is probably guilty but he's not 100% sure yet he's 100% sure on Derek German now again I'm not saying Dereck German is guilty in any by any stretch of the imagination but I'm saying if you weren't there how do you know what happened either way obviously there's no reason to point the finger and say it was definitely Derek German if you weren't there you wouldn't know but it is kind of it's hard to dismiss the meth background especially if there were meth dealers or meth cookers in that area even at the exact time of the murders which again we don't know it just it seems like the the rumors are very persistent that there's some meth going on in the area Kelsey German sister of Libby Kelsey's DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies Kelsey has been investigated quite a bit and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI including a couple times at her school for whatever reason she confuses facts all the time and can't keep her story straight I have no idea why she's doing this but it's not because she's the killer of her own sister for God's sake Kelsey German has been cleared and again there's a difference between being being uh cleared from the murders and there's a difference between possibly knowing who the murderers actually were is it possible Kelsey knew someone associated with the crime possibly not even knowing that they knew that they executed the crime and so and that's where a lot of the murkiness go goes in and I don't think anybody was suggesting that any of the interviews from the FBI or law enforcement were because they suspected her it was to get information out of her about other individuals who might have known Libyan Abbey okay flannel shirt guy probably shouldn't use his real name but he's on everybody's suspect list again I went over this on the previous mind shck episodes as well he was one of the original Witnesses who saw Bridge guy and gave a description now he says he never saw Bridge guy at all I guess he can't make up his mind he's also thoroughly lawyered up and he's not saying a word I get it he's a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks his favorite color is green like the woods like the loot hey it's a capitalist country right the theory is that he was in on these murders from mercenary reasons such as malign desire to purchase Ron Logan's land sure he's a greedy businessman but I doubt if he's that greedy I have seen quite a few photographs of this guy no doubt of the lousy good old boy Network so much evidence in this blighted town just looking at him I can't see him being in on this but I had the same feeling when I saw a photo of mild-mannered middle-aged frumpy beer bellied Mr X Family Man and loving father extraordinaire flannel Shir guy along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible Lookouts for bridge guy not because there's any evidence that they were Lookouts but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way I'd be surprised if he were in on this but stranger things have happened okay so that's a little bit more of uh an objective take there and again yeah it's it's tough it's tough because final sh guy could be in on a whole bunch of other criminal activity not related to this particular crime and that could account for some of the behavior Paul Eder A 55-year-old local man of many interests one of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women but alas he raped one last too many man that's a weird way to try to make uh and the law closed on him hold up in his home which now resembled Dodge City he saved Society a lot of money by eating a bullet freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place he raped women not young teenage girls he was in the right age but he doesn't look like Bridge guy law enforcement has already looked into him quite a bit and I assume he's cleared and one last thing He's dead Jim move along now just because he's dead doesn't mean he doesn't do the crime it's kind of that's kind of a weird way so look at that CM not even going to bother to reveal his name local professor at Purdue known for the geocaching Theory some connection with Libby via geocaching I was never aware that anyone had anything against this harmless looking fella lawyered up not talking he's afraid he's going to be framed with these murders a not unreasonable fear yes not unreasonable at all however how many harmless looking fellas end up being murderers again I'm not saying this particular individual known as CM Here Local professor at Purdue I'm not saying he's guilty in any way but the fact that he's harmless looking or mild mannered obviously that is not how you determine whether someone is a murder or not and I'll be getting into the geocaching theory in the next episode or two cuz there's a lot there not even involving this local professor and some people believe that could be the key to solving this supposedly Kelsey was also into geocaching and her and Libby might have been Geocaching in the approximate area as little as one week before the murders occurred so there's yeah there there's more there to explore okay the next suspect CN middle-aged man resident of Deli well he's the right age anyway never knew what the case was against this man other than he had property near the bridge and he and his wife's Alibi of being out of town and state traveling got a bit mangled we all stumble over our words sometimes he's a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort possibly works with kids I've looked this man over and I can't think of anyone less likely to commit this crime his wife has taken his social media lately pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime good advice how about taking it to heat everyone and just another Point not about this individual but about uh in general when people stumble over Alibis that doesn't mean they're guilty of a particular crime they're accused of that means they might have been doing something they don't want people to find out about Affairs drug dealing other illicit activities or maybe something not even illegal but something they're embarrassed about they just don't want people to know and since they figure they're clearly innocent of this crime and there will never be any physical evidence linked to them they're just willing to stumble and lie a little bit to protect whatever embarrassing issue they have because they know there's no chance that ever be found guilty of this crime because they know they didn't do it and physical evidence could never prove it so they don't feel the need to be 100% honest about their Alibi just a quick aside there all right Garrett CTS and I will be referring back to kurts local man all around run of the mbad person he killed a woman I'm not sure why I doubt it was for a good reason so he's a murderer a murderer of young young women at that but not of young teenage girls he's in prison where he belongs I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except he kills chicks so that means he killed these girls because they're chicks too doesn't sound like a logical progression of thought to me empirism is a thing folks besides he's the wrong age 27 and 28 Bridge guy is a 50-year old man repeat after me bridgeguy is a 50-year old man repeat it as often as necessary to get it through your head give it a rest everyone okay so if bridg guy is not a 50-year-old man repeating it ad nauseum would just be falling for this ad nauseum logical fallacy so again Robert Lindsay even though he has interesting analyses at points he does seem to be very unhinged and illogical in other respects here he goes next he just goes ranting about uh people disputing his theories or whatever the case is over there's no need to speculate about many relevant facts about Bridge guy about what happened during this crime for the moment at least law enforcement definitely has a prime suspect who they think committed this crime and they now suspect is committing other murders there is only one correct POI in his name is Mr X why not follow what law enforcement has determined all of your other pois in Endless silly speculation are junk really none of it is true there's no need to speculate anymore we know that law enforcement has a suspect so there's only one person people should be suspecting but by his own logic he's pointed out that law enforcement was wrong and can be wrong and theories change so again the inconsistency here I mean Robert Lindsay there's definitely some mental issues with this man and his consistency we also know a number of proen facts about what happened in this crime including the behavior of Mr X in relation to the crime and why law enforcement suspects him the motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy the classic formulation almost all serial killers have the motive was sexual this was a sex crime a sex homicide we know we now know a lot of things about the main suspect including the name age height weight marital status possible Offspring address names of wife and children and history of his life these are the facts about the man law enforcement suspects is Bridge guy items known to be carried or one by Bridge guy at the time of the crime loaded handgun and right jacket pocket type unknown Members Only jacket blue old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s dad jeans Indiana Packers boots camouflage hunting cap on head GoPro camera on waist deer kit on waist with five hunting knives in it white scarf around his face covering the lower half of his face bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket binoculars known facts about the personal life of the main suspect Mr X birthplace Illinois resident history unknown for first 18 years possibly Illinois Deli indiann several other small towns in Indiana from at least 1984 to 2021 resident in Deli in 1984 to 1985 at minimum important residence periods moves to moved to Evansdale Iowa in 2011 to 2012 to work at a slaughterhouse aligned with Tyson Foods there would was present when the Evansdale murders occurred homeless for a period in the 2000s where he resided at a homeless shelter education history primary and Junior High unknown Senior High School First Years unknown but graduated from Deli High School in 1984 to 1985 age at the time of the crime 49 to 50 uncertain present age 53 to 54 uncertain race white hair color dark brown facial hair goatee or beard height approximately 58 weight approximately 180 sexual age orientation pedophilia non-exclusive AOA 8 to14 sexual object orientation heterosexual residents at time of the crime Dela Indiana since 2011 recently moved to monacello possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime lists a manufacturing business or factory as place of residence employment history unknown prior to 2011 worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logan sport Indiana and sister facility in waterl Iowa in 2011 and 2012 afterwards possible owner operator of trucking business occupation possible owner operator of Long Haul Trucking business in recent past present occupation unknown but recently raised goats on his property distance of residents from the crime scene less than 2 mon miles familiarity with crime location extreme he was friends with Ron Logan on Whose property the crime occurred frequently hunted deer on Ron's land he was clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand marital status married Rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together children two daughters to adult daughters relationship with younger daughter excellent very close she is very fond of him relationship with older daughter unknown important friendships very casual friend of Mike Patty father of one of the girls victims possible Harley buddies friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles as Mike is an avid Harley Rider there is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at sometime before the crime what that has to do with anything is not known hunting partner of Anthony greo podcaster who has reported on the case avidly huh so Robert Lindsay is saying that Mr X is the hunting partner of Anthony greo friends with Mike with Ron Logan and a casual friend I guess more of an acquaintance type of Mike Patty Hobbies raising goats riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles very Avid Deer Hunter specific ific information about the crime scene confirmed To Us by the police okay and this is from uh a post on a memorial do thrown in with flowers at the memorial at the bridge this is about a year after the crime and you can see some of the flowers deteriorating as you can see a doll has been thrown into the mix I don't know what that means but perhaps it's odd did Bridge guy put that doll there he scattered dolls all over the crime scene we know that much and this weird with the weirdness with the dolls I mean these are all rumors of course but again if you haven't checked out the Jean Bonet ramsy podcast series on M che check that out I haven't gotten to the doll situation but apparently there was a lot of uh mysterious incidents with dolls in regarding to the Jean Bonet Ramsey case and one particular POI possible suspect in that case again is Bridge guy if Bridge guy is the killer but is the true perpetrator of this crime are they just simply playing games do the games have specific references to things or they just muddying the water so to speak okay that said the following very controversial information about the deli murders was given to us directly by the police numbers 1 to 4 were told to us by an Indiana detective but we don't want to say where he's located he didn't work on the case but he has a particular interest in crimes against miners especially violent crimes against miners number five was told to us by an Indian detective who worked in Narcotics based on crime scen photos he had seen we also heard it from someone very close to detective who was working on the case who had convited in them number six an extremely controversial statement was told to us by a sheriff in a nearby County one both girls were posed keep in mind they did not say how they were posed if they were posed in a sexual manner Etc two dolls were scattered about the crime scene there were quite a few of them our police source told us quote there were so many dolls scattered around that it looked like he had gone to the Goodwill store and bought a bunch of dolls end quote this also answers questions about why the cops have been using phrases like odd peculiar strange not your average crime scene many signatures Etc it fits right in with all of that three a bottle of toilet cleaner was found at the crime scene Pres presumably it was used to throw bleach over everything which solves the riddle of why no usable DNA was collected in this case four the girls were violated with inanimate objects five sticks twigs and branches were jammed into the girls presumably this is what the violated with inanimate object statement above refers to this the source is a Narcotics detective in Indiana and a close associate of a detective working on the case and again is there a verification of this person's Identity or do they just claim to be this person okay six one girl was pregnant just barely pregnant this is one very old rumor that started up within a weeks a few weeks of the murder the first person who told me that was a middle-aged woman who lived in the area just saying that for anyone who accuses me of making this up this rumor just would not die it kept popping up over and over so I had to keep reporting it we were never sure if it was true or not so it was always just another unverified rumor I didn't want to bring this rumor up because I've caught so much crap for it but I felt I had to because an Indiana law enforcement officer affirmed to us that this rumor was true but how would the law enforcement officer know if it was true or it was true that it was said if police had not verified this rumor for us I wouldn't be are they verifying that it's a rumor or how would they verify that if it it was true so it was indeed a rumor and someone did indeed report this to the police is that what Robert Lindsay is alleging cuz how would they know if it was really true or not I wouldn't be bothering with it because it's brought me nothing but trouble but when we get information straight from the police we feel we must report it this is not a rumor I relish reporting trust me his exact quote was quote one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy end quote he did not state which girl it was and we are not sure ourselves or is this information from the corner report we have an idea which girl it might be but until we can get a good source on that we are not going to upset people even more by naming the girl we think that if this rumor is true one of the girls was 6 to 8 weeks pregnant when pregnancy is hard to diagnose but can be confirmed on autopsy specifically there will be a thickening of the walls of the uterus that can be determined at this time all Guardians of the girls seem to think this would be impossible based on these girls having almost no experience with males well they need to disabuse themselves of that notion our information is that at least one girl was sexually active and one of the girls was 13 to 14 going on 20 if you get the picture that's a bizarre way to describe that okay let's say she was growing up awful fast we will not say which girl or girls is being discussed above people are furious with us over this rumor because they say we are selling these girls reputations therefore disqualifying them for post humous sainthood we do not feel that inexperienced 13 to 14 year old girls have some sort of Purity that can be dirtied nor do we feel that a girl this age sullies her reputation by engaging in PIV sex people who think like this are prudes and Puritans we do not feel that it is immoral for 13 to 14year old girls to have Pi sex or to get pregnant it's stupid for them to get pregnant but it's not immoral approximately 15% of girls that age and probably more are already having PIV sex The Source a sheriff's officer in a nearby County now is Robert Lindsay when he's saying we is he speaking for all 200 people that are supposedly part of his sleuthing group because that's just really bizarre again this guy seems to be quite mental in uh in a lot of uh it just yeah he's he's pretty mental specific information about the crime confirmed to us via official case documents in our possession for more information on these documents see the special section below where they're nature and Providence is explained although we only have photocopies of these documents we believe they are genuine the document list is a number of items that law enforcement is looking for in this case a pair of binoculars this lines up nicely with Lee Kerr's testimony where he said that bridg guy used binoculars in this crime photos videos cameras video cameras and film in other words law enforcement are convinced that bridge guy filmed or videotaped his crime the only way they could know this is if the room rumors about Bridge gu sending photos or video of the crime to one of the girl's phones after the crime occurred are true so the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victim's phone is proven this proves more of Lee Kerr's testimony where he said Bridge guys sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime wow that's really bizarre so again I don't know how Lindsay has verified this information he's saying it's true again is that because he took the word of someone else claiming to be an official Source who's not an official source and they made it up or it's just another uncorroborated rumor Through the Grapevine however does it make sense from the statements from law enforcement that they have video or audio of the entirety of the crime and it wasn't from one of the girls recording it it was from either whatever they're everybody's using the word Bridge guy I'm going to use perpetrator because if it's not Bridge guy but it could be Bridge guy again we really don't know if there were multiple people involved either way if the perpetrator had filmed the crime and then sent the video I mean that's really insane on so many levels I mean that it just this is truly a very unusual uh crime in in no matter I mean however you look at it 43 seconds of audio it is interesting that they are looking for prec precisely 43 seconds of audio law enforcement must know that bridg guy recorded 43 seconds of audio presumably of his crime but how could they know this only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls' phones after the crime huh weird so is it possible that Libby did not film or record this and this is all coming from bridg guy and he sent to her phone to taunt law enforcement a handgun in order to do ballistic tests on it this means that they have at least one fired cartridge Bridge guy must have fired his gun at some point in this crime the rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed and again this is Robert Lindsay's language confirm this confirm that I don't know how he how he can consider any of this confirmed but again this is his blog beond onh highbrow docomo soaked in blood seen and unseen this blood will probably not come out with the watch the documents state that the wound to liby was so brutal that the blood spatter would have been dramatic drenching the Killer's clothes in Blood and again this is why some people believe that the perpetrator and our perpetrators did not walk back out through the trails because it would have been uh too obvious specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 p.m. the crime occurred on February 13th or fe uh as you can see the numbers are the same people are saying this is a coincidence but apparently law enforcement does not believe it was coincidental okay I'm not going over the aspects of the crimes he not verified he goes into some really weird stuff with the crime scene rumors that are now confirmed via Indiana Law Enforcement again this is Robert Lindsay claiming this there I have not seen any official proof that Indiana law enforcement has confirmed anything at all that Robert Lindsay has been saying here law enforcement believes Mr X's Bridge guide via our detective Source in Indiana law enforcement has a mean suspect in the deli murders Mr X and the case is focused on him all other pois are pretty much dropped or cleared however it is still not clear that Mr X did this on his own or if someone helped him law enforcement would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr X after the crime perhaps burning evidence or whatever it is important to note that you are under no obligation to to tell the police anything I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims and I don't have to go to the police he could have even confessed to me but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops the one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes that is being an accessory I'm not 100% sure on the legality of that either anyway law enforcement believes that bridgeguy is Mr X they're not looking at anyone else they think he did it end of story and Robert Lindsay is also making conflicting claims because he's also claimed that law enforcement might not be aware of Mr X law enforcement believes that M bridgeguy Mr X is a serial killer and was also responsible for the Evansdale murders via our detective Source we learn that law enforcement has only recently started to believe that Mr X is also responsible for the Evansdale murders we believe he ISR Curr the main suspect in the Evansdale murders much more on that below and I I'll be doing a dedicated episode on the Evansdale murders this has been requested multiple times a lot of people believe there's some kind of connection as well July 13th 2012 two cousins disappeared from the small town of Evansdale Iowa 6 months later their bodies were discovered in a wooded area 20 mil away but their killer has eluded police in the years since law enforcement believes there are similarities between Evansdale and Deli double homicides via our detective Source in Indiana we have learned that in both crimes one there was posing so yes even though the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found law enforcement continues to believe that they were posed two girls in the pedophilic age range 8 to 14 were brazenly abducted two at once from trails in busy parks in rural Midwestern towns in the middle of daytime with many people around three the bodies were dumped near water four a number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the deli crime scene uh some other points here law enforcement says Bridge guy used a bleaching agent specifically toilet cleaner and threw it over everything at the crime scene in addition this detective in Indiana told us that a bleaching agent was used at the scene the detective felt it is not bleach per se but toilet bowl cleaner they said he sprayed it all over everything important at the scene you can see what appears to be a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in Bridge gu's left pocket in a blowup image we believe that this is a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner and some of us have believed this for a long time particularly a physician who is a member of our team okay unconfirmed rumors not validated by the police however other objections say we are claiming a lot of things about the crime scene actually these below are mostly unverified rubers with some probability of being true the police did not verify any of the rumors below for us one dolls hanging from trees at the crime scene Source a female member of the search team two a sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene possibly hung from a tree Source a female member of the search team three a large stuffed bear or animal at the crime scene Source a female member of the search team also many people say that you can see one clearly on blowups of crime scene photos okay I won't go over some of the other more gruesome ones the presence of a giant stuffed bear female member of a search party presence of a crucifix Source female member of the search party to be fair they never said that any of these things were not at the crime scene or that these events did not happen instead they simply didn't mention them because we never asked about them so law enforcement didn't say that these rumors were true but they did not say that they were not true either okay the DNA fingerprinted questions as we noted law enforcement already has a principal suspect in the crime and his DNA is found in the forest all around the crime scene however he was one of the Searchers who found the bodies and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening so wait a second this guy searched his suspect searched the area the previous evening and the bodies were not there I again I I don't know how clear that is conceivably he could have missed the girls while searching the night before in which case his DNA would be in the area his DNA in the forest could also be a result of his being part of the search team that found the girls hence none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable we keep hearing over and over DNA DNA DNA we think this is a whole lot about nothing as noted above Bridge guy threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene well there goes your DNA the only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsey sister of Libby Kelsey has been cleared there is a rumor that law enforcement has a partial DNA sample from an unknown male from one of the girls problem is they only have nine markers on the partial that's not very many conceivably perhaps 10% of men might have those nine markers these partial DNA samples are useful to law enforcement for instance if law enforcement have a suspect and they have a partial present in 10% of the population this is one more bit of evidence that might Point them to having the absolute right guy on the other hand a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court in other words the whole DNA question seems to be a gigantic red herring if the rumors are true law enforcement are being koi about whether or not they have DNA but that's probably just another ruse they don't want to show their hand to the Killer and let him know if they have DNA or not I think people need to stop talking about DNA in this case it's a dead end another interesting point there even with these uh nine mark people get hung up on the definitiveness of DNA because if if the sample doesn't have that much Integrity you have to extrapolate information from it so if it's degraded how what is the what is the percent likelihood that those nine markers are exact because if it's if it's if it's a degraded or partial sample in the first place it it's it possibly could be somebody those nine markers there might be a mistake in in some of those nine markers in which case it could also be somebody else regardless of whether or not they possess the markers or not so again that's why relying solely on DNA evidence is an issue especially when we see every generation there's all these people being released from prison because previous DNA matches were actually not accurate once better DNA testing comes into play it was a mistake about those fingerprints law enforcement themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint they didn't say where they collected it from but that's an important question also smudged prints are very very dubious value they're generally unusable I wish people would stop talking about fingerprints the lady walking her dogs at the bridge at 12:30 p.m. on the day of the murders this is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 on the day of the murders a full hour before Bridge guy probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 met Bridge guy somewhere possibly on the south side of the bridge and even had a brief conversation with Bridge guy however this information does not seem to be coming from law enforcement instead it is coming from Deli podcaster anthonyo a dubious man and apparent con artist with a rap sheet so long it fades into the Horizon when you try to read it that doesn't mean he's wrong it means to consider information coming from him with a lot of caution this woman was apparently a discovery of greo okay wait greo finds this woman but law enforcement never did she approached Greeno but she didn't approach law enforcement my smell meter is registering stinky furthermore the woman has since gone into hiding possibly because of people bothering her or maybe because she's afraid of bridge guy is going to kill her anyway she's not talking before she departed us though she did inform us that she could not identify what the man she meant like looked like except she was sure he was Bridge guy now wait a minute I'm kind of thinking this High witness account ain't making it to the witness stand you know obviously this is very much an unconfirmed rumor though everyone is treating it as if it's the word of God I beg to differ if anyone has any more information on this odd rumor please let me know in the comments or in my email obviously if we can place bridg guy at the bridge at 12:30 that changes everything okay next point he's got here quit referencing law enforcement statements at the 2019 press conference the fake friends as factual fake of feren it doesn't that doesn't roll very well although we do not have any evidence that this is true we believe that the 2019 press conference was a gigantic ruse We Believe that they already had a main suspect at the time and they thought he was going to be at the meeting so the meeting was designed to trick him the entire meeting was meant for the consumption of one person Mr X notice that law enforcement told the public to stop focusing on the old bridge guy and to focus on the new bridge guy instead the new bridge guy was said to be the man who carried out the murders he was Bridge guy they also said that bridge guy was 18 to 40 years old anyone with any sense can see in ly that bridge Guy cannot possibly be the young man in the sketch nor can he be 18 to 40 bridgeguy is obviously a middle-aged man around 50 you can tell by many things gate body shape manner of walking voice Etc law enforcement actually believes Bridge guy is 49 to 50 years old if law enforcement actually believes that bridge guy is 50 years old why did they put out this statement that he looks like this ridiculous sketch of a very young man or even an 18 to 40y old man why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs easy they were lying another interesting point though I I believe I've mentioned this before if there were multiple individuals involved would they hire someone so to speak to create a for a false sketch or they have a false witness to get a sketch that looks nothing like him to again divert attention from the real perpetrator or perpetrators law enforcement also brought up an unknown vehicle possibly a white truck seen at the CPS building the message here to Mr X is clear law enforcement has gone off on a completely different tangent and is not looking at you at all anymore instead these idiot cops think that some kid in a white truck did it what a bunch of idiots not the first sketch which looks like a middle-aged man Mr X some kid not Bridge guy nope nope nope how could anyone on Earth believe this is Bridge guy because the cops told you so LOL quit listening to the police they tell all sorts of Lies as dirty strategy and extremely important homicides like this and that's another thing I guess the coincidence theorists and the authority worshipping cultists don't understand law enforcement do operate in an end justifies the means capacity a lot of the time again I'm not going to describe percentages different cops different methodologies different police departments but to think that they wouldn't lie to catch a murderer I mean they're trying to catch a murderer here you know okay not the orange truck of the main suspect of course not instead a probably non-existent white truck at the CPS building so he's stating so Robert Lindsay is stating that there's an orange truck that the main suspect drives you've thrown the cops off your tail Mr X good job and at the end Carter says he may even be in this room right now and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr X the cops are wrong again they think some fool on the other side of the room did it idiots the truth is that some of the things law enforcement said in that conference are true the sketch of the younger man appears to have been the catfish of the 19-year-old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat and Mr X or Bridge guy is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in so when law enforcement said the younger sketch is the one who committed this crime they were correct he did commit the crime because because the younger sketch is just Bridge guy in catfish form his other younger personality that he uses to snare victims and when they said Bridge guy was actually better described as a combination of both sketches they were correct too Bridge guy himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who was the actual killer so he is both sketches at once obviously also note that law enforcement are now acting like they think the young cat fish did the crime not the older Bridge guy this was done to get Mr X to think LOL they don't think I did it they think the stupid catfish boy did it haha let them go on a wild goose chase after someone who doesn't exist once again this was done to get Mr X to think that they had lost his tail and were running off in the wrong direction against a completely different suspect granted we don't have any evidence that this is true other than Leer's statements we regard leer Lee leaking information leaker and also leer l e i g h k r r we regard leaker as credible but we now demand sources Beyond his level to be cons to be considered probative hence formally everything leer has said has gone into unconfirmed rumors rather than things we're able to confirm from other sources such as law enforcement statements to Us official case documents two sources arriving at the same conclusion independently a near impossib if they were both making up the same lie nevertheless we do feel that leakers notion that this was all a big ruse rang true for us and sent us off on our investigation with the help of the notorious Gody I might add we currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts can we prove it nope but all theories must be judged against their competitors ooms but the competing Theory to the logic put the competing Theory to the logic test is there any way on Earth that bridge guy could look like the young man in the sketch or even 18 to 40-Year-Old get real when we line the two theories against each other ours wins hands down hence following ooms our theory is the best explanation of the facts ah wow okay another misapplication of ok's Razor if you haven't checked out the Mind shock podcast regarding okom Razer I've gone over that endless times you'd have to have two theories that adequately explain something happening before you determine that the simpler one is most more likely to be true which is again not necessarily the truth whatever is true is true even if it's the more complicated one but if there's more than one perpetrator it easily makes sense that there's two sketches if there's two guys or if Bridge gu is wearing some kind of Disguise so if it's a young guy that wor that somehow had some kind of a disguise the other thing someone brought up I think it was in a YouTube comment section on on one of the previous M check episodes on Deli Those Old Man masks that were quite popular a couple years back some relatively realistic masks of geriatric individuals and then if you put other stuff on to modify the disguise you could have a decent looking disguise at least something from a distance and if they're intentionally trying to frame Ron Logan they could wear clothes similar to Ron Logan's and I mean who knows again there's lots of different explanations here this is mindshock where the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure Mr X's employment at a packing plant in Indiana and possible connection to the Evansdale murders verified by article in the Indiana star via the Indiana star in an undated AR article that we cannot find at the moment but nevertheless believe exists Robert Lindsay strikes again Mr X's roommate in 2011 to 2012 in Deli told law enforcement that bridge guy was absolutely Mr X the voice was a good match the clothes looked familiar and the walk was dead on the roommate also said he suspected Mr X of the Evansdale murders because during the time of the Evansdale murders Mr X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on the packing plant there interesting if true many people from Dela area went over to Evansdale to work on this project oh that's another that's interesting if that's true that means there's qu that means you'd have a relatively big circle of of individuals that worked at these packing plants that do have the connection to Evansdale so wow that is interesting they appear to have been working at the Tyson plant in Logan sport Indiana where they were shipped to the sister Tyson plant in waterl Iowa if this roommate is correct it looks like Mr X worked in 2011 to 2012 at Tyson Foods in Logansport and he was moved to near Evansdale Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant in waterl near Evansdale we don't know what his J was there but if it was slitting the throats of screaming squealing pigs on ropes swinging towards him with a knife so huge that it looked like a sword as is done at some slaughter houses we would say a job like that would be right up Bridge guy's alley Bridge guy made a deep cut to the throat of one victim that resembles the Deep Cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughter houses notice that brid guy committed his crime with large knives his preferred weapon Mr X also Cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food so it looks like Mr X is using is used to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives and humans are animals too another weird statement there from Robert Lindsay the be the weird behavior of Mr X surrounding his truck at the crime scene we now have a better time frame for Mr X's truck being parked at the cemetery no note that it was parked in head first we believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location we don't know why he asked permission to search Ron Logan's land at 6:30 p.m. but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search that land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team okay wow this is really mind shocking because if this is true even if it's not true about this particular suspect we have another possibil this sparked another possibility that I haven't considered before is it possible that that really was the crime scene the the the girls were killed there and then they were moved from there for the first search and then brought back so they weren't necessarily taken elsewhere killed and then dumped they maybe were killed there or maybe not maybe there were just items left there that he wanted to clear so then he would go on Ron Logan's land he would he would get rid of possible clothes or any kind of marks that could be tied to a crime took them away and then brought them back the next day that's of course but even if this rumor is not true I I don't know how this was corroborated this guy's asking to search Ron Logan's Land And even if he is if he's innocent then okay it's just a concerned citizen but uh and if he knows Mike Patty he might be searching before the uh the fire department announces the formation of a search team again this is if he's innocent if this Mr X character is innocent which he very well might be not only that but Mr X's Alibi is that he was in another town from 2:15 to 3:15 p.m. on the day of the crime that would mean he would have to drive back to Deli by at least 35 possibly later depending on what town he was in and when he left the problem here is that before 5:30 no one knew knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends he could have called his wife who was friends with Becky Patty and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing but that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife we doubt if she did contact his wife they weren't that close after 5:30 p.m. news of the girls going missing went out over the police scanner we suppose if he was listen listening to a police scanner he could have known that early but what's the likelihood of Mr X listening to a police scanner between 5:30 and 6:30 p.m. on the day of the crime we would say it is low he parked a th000 ft away from Ron's door almost a quar mile away why didn't he pull up to his front door we don't know about you all but when we go visit our friends we generally don't park a quarter mile away and hike in we park right at the front door we also don't know what what he was doing searching down there that night we also do not know why out of all the places to search he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed however this early searching meant that he could use his lost my keys excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 hours 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were found because he could say the next day that he Lo lost them during the previous evening's search it is interesting that Mr X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 p.m. to Monday February 13 12:30 p.m. Tuesday February 14th when the girls were found that's a full 18 hours why on Earth would someone staying next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early am. and morning into the afternoon it doesn't seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time here's the thing though if this guy really did kill them I mean he's going to come up with the excuse I lost my keys to explain his vehicle being at the right next to the crime scene that doesn't make a lot of sense either I mean because this guy can't be that dumb right we believe he could have been staging the elaborate crime scene during that time where his truck was parked was a 5minute walk to the crime scene if he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and use them to Stage it with the objects Mr X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours if he didn't have his keys he could not move his truck he could have gone home but for some reason he stayed with his truck did he eat where did he get the food and what was the food did he sleep if so where and when urinating is no problem but what if he had to defecate it's an interesting way to put it Robert Lindsay is definitely thinking about these things that would have been quite a problem it doesn't seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason but it's even worse than that even after the girls were recovered Mr X stayed around through all of the media and police hubhub for the next 8 hours from 12:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. so his truck was out at the crime scene for a 26 full hours with Mr X presumably with it the entire time why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys were they waiting for God himself to bring the keys We Believe Mr X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it if he left law enforcement might tow it or search it he stayed to guard his truck we believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed he was right in the middle of all the police and media and no one suspected him I'm sure that was a LOL feeling for him these idiot cops they're swarming all over this crime scene and the Killer is standing right there under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours and these cop tards can't figure this out we think he likes to fool and troll law enforcement I'm fooling the cops haha is the thinking why did Mr X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars he had his keys with him so why didn't he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldn't because he had lost his keys law enforcement asked him to move the vehicle he said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him three problems with that story one he never lost his keys two he never called the wife to ask her to bring a spare set three there was no spare set in the first place he doesn't nobody has a spare set of keys that's interesting at 8:20 p.m. the police scanner said that Mr X's wife was coming to bring Mr X a spare set of keys this has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs X into the sealed off area because she's bringing Mr X his keys we believe he just told law enforcement she was coming it went out over the scanner and she never showed up law enforcement must have been getting exasperated with Mr X by this time someone probably law enforcement called to have Mr X's truck towed Mr X just stood there and let them tow his truck away he probably went back to retrieve it later on with his spare set actually the real set he never lost and drove it back home unfortunately Mr X's truck was never searched we believe there may have been incriminated evidence in there after all of this a fake cover story was put out that Mr X never lost his keys in the first place actually that is correct because they were sitting in his pocket the whole time but our critics think this means the story about him losing his keys is fake Mr X's younger daughter insists that he never lost his keys his wife now echoes in as far as she is concerned he never lost his keys Becky Pat is also saying he never lost his keys however Becky is saying two different things first that he lost his keys and later that he didn't lose his keys we have a screenshot of Becky Patty texting Mrs X to ask why she said he never lost his keys when he did so another story is going out that he did lose his keys see what is going on here multiple stories are floating around probably not purposely some are contradictory but the effect is to cause confusion the more confused people are the more someone can get away with a crime I mean and he could have also said he lost his keys even if he didn't and who did he say that to so those individuals would be reporting whatever they were told because how would they know if he really lost his keys if he just said he did as far as validation of the rumors of Mr X being parked at the cemetery at 6:30 p.m. asking Ron Logan for permission to search his land and searching his land that evening with two other men and leaving his truck sitting there for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found and another 8 hours afterwards we can't this is simply what we have been told and we are sticking by it we have also been told that law enforcement caught Mr X in the lies about losing his keys calling his wife to bring him a spare and a spare even existing in the first place law enforcement doesn't like being lied to especially when they are investigating a double homicide we have been told that this is what made law enforcement suspicious of Mr X in the first place we are even being challenged on our reporting that Mr X's truck was Boxed In by police at the time of the discovery of the bodies but we have a photograph of his truck surrounded by police cars the story about his truck getting towed is also being challenged we were told that his truck that his truck had been towed the rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spear and she did evidence being the police scanner but the scanner doesn't say she came to bring the keys it said she was coming to deliver the keys we believe she never showed up he never called the wife never lost his keys in the first place and there was no spare set we believe this because this is what we were told so I'm guessing Mr X lied and said he told his wife and his wife was coming to get the keys and that's what law enforcement were told or he really did tell her to come with keys but she never did for other reasons Mr X's traumatic reaction upon discovering the bodies appears stage and fake Mr X not only discovered the bodies but he ran away in Terror afterwards like a coward we would add then he needed 2 to 3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience we believe that those reactions were overblown no one else reacted that way not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is so Mr X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else including the victim's grandmother who who was hurt more than anyone we believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged in other words they were faked faked to make it look like he could not have possibly committed a crime because he was more devastated than anyone else and my thoughts there are just there's a lot of weird mental people so if he's innocent and he's just completely mental maybe he was involved in other crimes maybe he was there to to something to do with that meth operation and I I will say who this individual is uh in general I'm not sure his name has been officially released by law enforcement but I'll be getting more into M who Mr X is after I complete the summary here but if he's involved in other crimes and that's why he was there and then he just kind of stuck around because he was curious Andor mentally Disturbed Endor psychotic whatever if he's completely insane he might have had that reaction and been innocent right again we we don't know we don't have a copy of the gag order supposedly issu about the towing of a truck from the CPS building on either February 13th and 14th people are saying that we have a copy of a we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building we believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 13th to 14th we do not have a copy of that gag order but we were told that one had been issued by the courts we have no idea why the order order was issued nature of case document in my possession we do indeed have a document from the case a man was a suspect in this crime and the document are from and the documents are from law enforcement's investigation of him the docks are his property he ran them off for us and sent them to us in the mail so it is true that we only have photocopies of these docs not the real thing but we believe our source a man who lives in Deli not far from the crime scene sent us copies of the actual documents he got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was Bridge guy there are signatures on the documents the sigs are from either law enforcement this judicial system or both we are not going to tell you what sort of document we have if you're smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bombs hints we keep dropping the man who owns the documents is not happy with us going public with these docks he doesn't care that much about it in theory but he doesn't want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media that's why we've had to muddy up the nature of the documents themselves how we obtained them and how we received them it's an attempt to protect our source from being revealed we confess that we do make stuff up about sensitive sources and documents it's all about protecting our sources but we've never made up one single fact about this case in four years despite what most of the internet believes the nature of Mr X's sex offense from the 1980s either earlier we said that Mr X had a conviction for a sex offense in the 1980s when he was between 16 and 26 on the other hand other [ __ ] have come back and told us that Mr X's record is clean that's misleading he has a conviction for statutory rape from 1982 in Illinois he was 18 and the girl was 14 the reason the offense is not seen on his record is we believe he had it expunged expunged just means taken out of public record Law Enforcement still has access to the conviction as far as how we obtain this information we were told by detective that Mr X had this conviction he told us it was in 1982 this is why we believe it occurred the idea that he was a sex offender in the 1980s is a nothing Burger it's just run-of-the-mill statutory rape which isn't even rape or as we prefer to call it illegal intercourse with a barely legal man and a teenage girl probably ought to be covered by Romeo and Juliet laws anyway very very bizarre like I said Robert Lindsay is is a little weird I mean 18 and 14 in 1982 I I mean I don't know I guess some people would say that's not the same thing as 2021 1982 I don't know it's still pretty it's still pretty sketchy unless he I mean I guess if he I don't know if he if he had just turned 18 and the girl was turning 15 I don't know is that just like a high school romance a senior and a freshman I don't know but the way he talks about it is is kind of weird of course another interesting post here here this is a comment in regards to this post the case for Mr X is as solid as ever the dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant is great investigative work I saw the local Deli news footage from the week of the murders where they interviewed Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property he States when he got home that night the 13th one of his neighbors had come over to ask if he could search this property looking for the girls so Mr X did not asked him to search for his keys he was officially asking to search for the girls according to Old Ronnie boy as you've pointed out Mr X did this before the search party had even assembled right at the exact parcel of land that the girl's bodies would be found on the next day this just doesn't bode well for him I mean especially if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed I almost have to wonder if that's why he later concocted the story about the Keys perhaps as an afterthought when it he realized it would be hard to explain why he asked to search for the girls but then didn't find them somehow uh I was more focused on finding my keys I must have overlooked the two dead girls I was looking for in the first place I am running into one issue with Mr X I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer there is no doubt in my mind or anyone who is in possession of an IQ higher than double digit range that Ron Logan is not the killer drunkard perhaps killer no at least not in this case I saw this being explained in some YouTube comments to a bunch of brainlets I finally started to sink into these Geniuses when the case was made look one of the eyewitnesses who contributed to the first Bridge gu sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan wouldn't you think if the killer was Ron that she would say yeah simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer however shouldn't the exact same principal logic apply to Mr X didn't he at the time live down the street from Logan even if somehow she didn't know about some surrounding neighbors couldn't law enforcement just show her or flannel shirt guy or the bickering couple in the park a picture of Mr X and get verification that way Robert Lindsay responded here he wasn't searching for his keys early on he was searching for the girls it was dark to be fair two other men were also searching Ron's land that night and they didn't find anything either so it looks like those were pretty hard to miss what does that mean though so they definitely weren't there then because you have all these individuals who searched and they didn't find them I don't know no he came up with the lost my keys Gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 p.m. the day of the crime to 12:30 p.m. the next day when the girls bodies were found a period of 18 full hours of course Ron Logan didn't do it was he set up to take the fall maybe Bridge guy was very very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face it's certainly possible that she may not have recognized Mr X even though he was apparently a neighbor flannel shirt guy didn't recognize him either and I'm sure that flannel shirt guy and Mr X knew each other flannel shirt guy knew everyone in town unless flannel shirt guy is of course involved in this somehow or he did recognize him and didn't want to say for fear of something so okay is it time to disclose who Mr X is is so again uh Robert Lindsay has not explicitly stated this man's name but apparently this was a former mayor so he would be involved in government dealings and the police department so he would have the connections required to not be looked at obviously they looked at him but not be looked at in the same capacity as a regular private citizen civilian now apparently someone asked Lindsay here Mr X's Alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide Lindsay responds here the rumor is that his Alibi is a deli police officer who committed suicide in December apparently claimed he saw Mr X in another town around the time of the murders I get the impression that law enforcement thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection now this begs quite a lot of questions because as far as aliis go a police officer as your Alibi I mean that's as Ironclad as you can get in terms of law enforcement it's one of their own now obviously a logical police officer investigator with Integrity is not going to just take it on faith they're probably going to want something more but does this account for a lot of the Shady business in the deli investigation early on regarding suspects in general and this particular suspect Mr X the former mayor who has links to Evansdale who happened to have his vehicle there who's Alibi is no longer alive now some people say his wife is also his Alibi I guess they were matching up times now is it curious that this officer committed suicide now if if Mr X truly is guilty if the police officer found that out now was he his Alibi before he knew he was guilty or are they both involved in let's say some kind of meth operation so it's not that the officer thought Mr X was guilty of murdering anybody they were just covering up their own meth activity and that's something that needs to be considered as well because a lot of times particularly in the True Crime Community but there's just there's a lot of goofiness and logically fallacious reasoning going on where oh if someone is lying that means they're guilty of this particular crime of course not someone could be involved in a completely unrelated criminal Enterprise and they're lying because of that to cover something else up so now if this officer found out or began to suspect or maybe Mr X admitted it to him that he really was guilty how would the officer react would he commit suicide now the other thing is was it really a suicide again I did not investigate this I have no idea I wasn't there so is this a real suicide if so what brought it about or is this not really a suicide and there were loose ends being tied up were there rumors sprouting up that this particular officer maybe was going to withdraw his protection of Mr X and admit that the LI The Alibi was fabricated here's another interesting post from Jennifer uh in response to this been following your blog from the start and this is so close to what I've been feeling for a while now I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr X being involved though he's been on my radar for a long time now flannel shirt guy has been someone that I cannot let go of either did he see Bridge guy did he not see Bridge guy people really seem to take him at face value and think that because he is older he's not capable of committing such a crime I'm not saying he is or he isn't but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine tooth comb verified and reverified for a good measure I don't care what anybody's agees you just don't know what a person is capable of at the very least he could have made misleading statements again not saying that he did it I have no idea either way but it's just something that has bothered me because I don't see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case the few times I've brought him up myself this really on Reddit I have been ripped apart from my apparent stupidity this is simply because I've dared to question if it's possible that he was involved in any capacity or if it's possible he made misleading statement sounds like Jennifer would be welcome uh in mind shock because again we don't know anything the only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure and logical examinations of all kinds without falling for logical f is welcome on mind shck that's the whole reason mindshock was created now I'm not a member of law enforcement and I never claimed to have investigative experience but I believe I'm a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills both my gut instinct and logic are screaming verify the statements of flannel shirt guy he is one of the first and only Witnesses in the case although Doug Carter also said that nobody actually saw Bridge guy so even that we really don't know the fact that the mere mention of f shirt guy is anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from True Crime enthusiasts on Reddit the fact that I believe law enforcement has been busy trying to cover up the mistakes they made early on leads me to believe that they inadvertently helped bridg guy get away with this horrendous crime and continue to do so by withholding almost every piece of information possible from the public while at the same time begging for that one tip they need to make an arrest the behavior of law enforcement throughout the entirety of this case is to put it as nicely as possible questionable and to State the truth just plain stupid I'm not buying the fact that they just weren't equipped enough to handle an investigation of this magnitude calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really really bad choice two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time they had had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrepect disrespecting their parents Guardians by running off to a friend's house just to show up later the family knew something was wrong law enforcement blew off their concerns and called off the search citing safety concerns for the Searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves just waiting for someone in law enforcement to find them that night you know the other thing is that I think might help help in in considering these aspects imagine there's no there's no murder imagine the girls let's say one of the girls died due to some kind of injury and they were discovered the next day and she could have been saved if they hadn't called off the search I mean how does that look and I'll be getting to this more into this later but if Leen be this uh this mayor character Mr X and other let's say officers or people in official capacities in government or law enforcement if they're involved in some kind of other Rings either meth human trafficking whatever again we're in the post Epstein era so coincidence theorists they can't play stupid as much as they could have preepin but obviously the the government officials some government officials whatever minority whatever in percentage again I'm not stating that that it's that it's widespread or a lot but there are some there are some government officials involved in uh insid illegal illicit operations involving drugs Andor human trafficking so if there's an intersection overlap going on here for example if they know there's meth being cooked in those woods and it has something to do with an officer they might call off the search because they don't want to compromise that other side operation so they again they might be trying to cover up something not related to the crime nobody's saying well I'm not saying Leen be is Bridge guy and he murdered the teens again I I would say his Al would need to be verified as well everybody should be but if he's trying to protect some other operation that he's involved with it could make sense again I'm not saying he's involved in the operation but if he is does that account for certain variables of course we know now that they were killed but as far as law enforcement was concerned that very night those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance and furthermore maybe they were alive again we really don't know Corner's report has not been rep released we don't know the official autopsy results or times of death and even if and the report could be mistaken as well again if there's funny business or corruption going on to cover something else up of course a report can be uh modified and altered the fact that they were given little to no information about what really happened to Abby and Libby other than they were murdered by bridgeguy from law enforcement says a lot more to me than law enforcement lets on they say they want to preserve the Integrity of the investigation they say they want to prevent false confessions they have most recently stated that they want to avoid Double Jeopardy what Double Jeopardy you say that you don't even have a suspect and you're waiting on that one tip to come in but you're worried about Double Jeopardy I'm confused what makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual particularly this statement it was all over by 3:30 p.m. I believe that came from the leaked texts and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in law enforcement that piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesn't do a damn thing to preserve the Integrity of the investigation what it does do however is make law enforcement appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started that's an interesting point one thing I always have to remind myself of is that law enforcement is allowed to lie to the public I'm sure there are instances where it's been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes um also sure that it's used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification it was all over by 330 sure takes a lot of the heat off la enforcement for calling off that search after all there was nothing they could have done anyway it was all over by 3:30 then again what if it wasn't this whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn lastly I want to bring up Ron Logan and the dirty hand law enforcement dealt him throughout all of this so the girls were found on Ron Logan's property instant Person of Interest however there's one little problem Ron Logan couldn't have done it because he was violating the terms of his probation and was caught on camera drinking in a pizza parlor so the Stellar members of law enforcement have Ron Logan arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldn't have committed the crime but doing nothing to stop the entire Community from believing first that Ron Logan was a main suspect in the case and second believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect this was just the most underhanded disgusting display of we need a Fall Guy and law enforcement should be a of themselves then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information well guess what if I happen to be out there that day let's say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldn't have been doing and I witnessed something and had information I'm telling you right now I wouldn't think twice then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared exploitive that law enforcement would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to Ron Logan stupid stupid stupid I almost feel as though law enforcement doesn't want to solve this crime and that scares me so to end my novel I agree with you I believe Mr X is the guy have for a long time I also believe there are other factors that play here possibly being protected and I don't think Law Enforcement wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason could be to cover their own asses could be something more nefarious I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow I've been angry at law enforcement today regarding the case so very very astute comment by this Jennifer and the the only other thing though if law enforcement so let's say law enforcement knows Ron Logan is on camera it's verified plus they have whatever witness testimony traffic Camp they have whatever they need to 100% know that Ron Logan was not there any time any of these hours during the afternoon so here's the thing though because apparently Mr X is friends with Ron Logan so were they intentionally putting the screws to Ron Logan so to speak to get him to give up these other characters involved and if he's involved in other criminal Enterprises that they think he might know something or some one of the other perpetrators involved and they're treating him this way now maybe it would have been more effective to offer him some kind of immunity or sentence reduction instead of throwing him in jail maybe they did and he refused it I mean who knows we don't really know the exact terms there but this might have uh this might have something else involved in terms of Ron Logan and uh Lindsay actually updated this as well he updated May 29th 2021 quite a few new rumors we have uncovered quite a few new rumors from sources that have tended to be quite good in the past I can't tell you who these people are but one is a woman named JM and the other is a man named MC JM also has Law Enforcement connections and she was the one who gave us testimonies from two Law Enforcement Officers a sheriff in a nearby County and a detective working in Narcotics all rumors are unverified unless otherwise stated the rumors this crime scene begins at the Robinson's backyard find it on a map near the dump site this goes the length of a football field or 300 feet law enforcement feels that the girls were marched down from the Robinson to the kill site where they were killed Libby's phone was found at the scene but nothing could be obtained from it because it was destroyed I assume that bridge guy destroyed it all of the information from Libby's phone came from the cloud aby's phone was also recovered at the scene she may have hidden it in a tree Bridge guy is wearing a watch on his right hand among few other things indicates that bridge guy is Left-Handed verify the bodies were discovered by following two sets of footprints leading down from the cemetery to the bodies wait a minute two sets of footprints I thought there was only one killer and why do the prints lead down to the bodies you mean the bodies were carried by the men who left the footprints down to the dump site he States this is verified and who are the other two men that were searching Logan's property cuz we have Mr X and the other two men did they know Mr X as well and are they connected okay neither Guardian was aware of this and one of them denies it altogether but both girls had boyfriends how this ties into the crime if it all is unknown aby's Mother Anna bemoaned the fact that Abby died without having ever had her first kiss Anna has plenty of things to worry about regarding her daughter but perhaps she can rest a bit easier knowing that Abby at least got to have her first kiss and then some if observers at Loc football games are any indication aby's boyfriend was a 16-year-old boy I am not trying to cast dispersion on Abby's character I'm happy she got a boyfriend and got to experience some intimacy with another human being one of the peak experiences we caner we can obtain in a lifetime and I very happy that she died at least having experienced her first kiss I'm happy to know she got to live a little bit before she died the part regarding Abby is verified again very weird phrasing here here from uh Lindsay the boots seized by law enforcement in the fake bomb threat raid on the Indiana Packers are thought to be the exact type of boots that bridge guy was wearing uh they are waterproof extend up to the knee this would enable Bridge guy to walk across the creek without getting wet at all I believe there may have been something said about law said by law enforcement about Bridge gu's eyes being blue someone check me on this please at any rate the woman who was walking her dog is that the woman who saw Bridge guy on the south side of the bridge at 12:30 p.m. said his eyes were brown with a Hazel tint Bridge guy knew that bridge extremely well Dan McCain said he walks the bridge all the time and Bridge guy walked the bridge faster than Dan does Bridge guy absolutely knew his way around the bridge and the general surrounding area verified the Daniel nation's tyin rumor says a hatchet was used in the crime this is actually some very shocking news but it all makes sense we know that for some reason law enforcement was very interested in Nations who had been committing crimes involving hatchets Indiana Law Enforcement went all the way back to Colorado to talk to Colorado law enforcement about this crime we have been told that law enforcement also went back to another state to check out another criminal who had been committing crimes with a hatchet one wonders why on Earth law enforcement is going all the way back to other states to check out suspects committing crimes with hatchets well now we may have an answer there is now a r from the same two sources above and from a second source that a hatchet was used in the deli murders one shutters to think of how it might have been used however one of the girls was killed by a deep cut to her neck rumor says she was almost decapitated another rumor says that only one inch of skin was holding her neck on now the standard view all this time was that this attack was done with a knife probably a hunting knife probably one of the five hunting knives Bridge guy has in the deer kit around his waist however if if you know about knives and The Cutting of throats typically a homicide victim with a cut throat is not cut very deeply because it's very hard to make a deep cut in a throat with a mere knife if you have seen any of the al-Qaeda and Isis beheading videos you can see that huge knives were used to decapitate the victims it's dubious that bridge guy had a huge knife on him however a single blow to a neck with a well sharpened Hatchet could and in many cases would indeed leave such a deep cut that one could nearly decapitate someone with a single sword although this is an unverified rumor it does have the advantage of explaining the odd interest law enforcement has had in Hatchet criminals in this case good transcription of the girl's conversation recorded on Libby's phone before the abduction this comes from aby's Mother Anna she was told this by a detective I do not know whether she was played the tape or not possibly she was the source is gry Hughes much as I dislike the man he's very strict about the truth far too strict in fact but due to this you can generally bet that when gray decides that something is true it almost certainly is Abby apparently looks up at Libby and says he's right behind me isn't he Abby apparently hurries to the other side of the bridge the girls discuss which way to go two ways are mentioned Abby says is that a gun he's got a gun followed by a click sound Bridge guy says hey followed by down the hill there was no further recording that was clearly discernible reports indicate that bridg guy was seen but no one can draw a picture closer than what is available okay so let's uh let's wrap this case up against uh Mr X here this former mayor possibly so let's just recap Mr X here some posts on Reddit regarding this character he's my Numero Uno the truck being left there for so long is obviously a starting point he was very involved in the search he's the one who asked Ron Logan if they could search his property and was among the first people to spot the bodies he also had a strange gate that could match up with Bridge guys I know the bridge affects the gate but law enforcement did ask people to look at it he claimed to have a mental breakdown for 3 months following the crime certainly a huge behavioral change what I'd like to figure out is who his Alibi is and then of course people find it very interesting that he was living and working in Evansdale when the Evansdale murders occurred now some people counter his presence being that suspicious because if he was a family friend and family were asking people to search even before it was all made official or they made social media posts you know if anybody has seen Abby or Libby to contact the families whatever that they're missing Etc is he trying to be a Good Samaritan and he also happens to have a lot of mental issues even if he's innocent now if he's innocent and he has a lot of mental issues and he really did discover the bodies but was not guilty of whatever was done to them it's it is possible he could have a mental breakdown of some kind and again if he has severe mental issues that could explain some of this erratic Behavior but it's It's Curious nonethe least and is it coincidental that if a law enforcement officer was his Alibi that law enforcement officer happened to commit suicide now here's uh so people are arguing back and forth if bridg guy would have escaped the area as quickly as possible so here's a Counterpoint here why are you applying that line of thinking to someone who killed two girls in broad daylight of course that's if that happened perhaps they were killed later that night who knows you're thinking about this as how you would handle things if you were the one who killed these girls it wasn't you it was someone who was so sick and deranged that he compulsively grabbed two girls that fit his sick deranged fantasy criteria and In Cold Blood killed them in brutal fashion if you're a law enforcement said so kind of guy realize they think he was actually present at one if not both press conferences ask yourself why they think that and what kind of a person would do that also apparently Mike Patty said that he asked MIRS for permission to park his vehicle there huh so we of course have plenty more to go over and plenty more suspects to go over and I will be doing so in the coming episodes which should be released uh shortly as well I'll be trying to get all the suspects done as quickly as possible and then I'll also be releasing the deli police scanner audio cleaned up from February 14th 2017 and of course the reports that they were originally found in the water I mean there's so much in this case that just does not make sense and uh again I mean all we can do is really keep awareness up in the case awareness and pressure and uh hopefully Justice will be served soon enough hope you guys enjoyed another edition of the mindshock podcast and found it interesting if you do feel free to donate to our PayPal help support the channel help us get more mind shocking content out there and keep up awareness in all different types of cases missing persons Cold Case unsolved murders Etc just check the link in the description make sure you subscribe to the channel hit that Bell for notifications make sure you L device St those notifications come through or you can just go to youtube.com/ mindshock or youtube.com/ mindshock True Crime like and share this particular podcast on social media platforms of which you can find us on Twitter 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