MomTok Star Whitney Leavitt Talks Swinger Culture and Rebranding | #75

hey welcome to this episode of vulnerable um today I have a wonderful lady named Whitney Levitt some of you who are on social media know her from the mom talk group but honestly I just think she's an individual obviously she's racked up millions and millions of views and and likes and also dislikes right because that's just part of being famous on the internet but I find her fascinating and I was so thrilled that she made time to come from Utah and and talk to me about her goals for the future and coming to LA and potentially you know starting her career in traditional Hollywood so this was a really interesting take and I hope you enjoy our chat as two moms here on vulnerable yay Whitney so you're here now or no yes not yet okay not till the end of July okay end of July you're gonna be a Los Angeles I'm terrified how do you feel about that I don't know not just you your child your husband you're all coming here yes because where I live is very like family oriented yeah and you're not you hate family and all things yeah we've never lived in the city so I'm really nervous okay but I I'm trying to get into this acting industry and I just feel like I've done everything I could being in Utah where I'm like I think it's like time yeah to come to California you're also an amazing dancer thank you you're uh one Margarita dance had me oh my God I feel one lost a brand deal because of that damn girl what tell me I mean I can't tell you the brand but that's a brand new because of that oh god oh no what did they say they were like they're like this is too much I'm like but this is me so and so did they say hey if you take this down then we'll give you the brand deal or did they say no this was done and well because people were reposting it so it's like there was no way to get it off the internet right like it was already everywhere right so they said Deuces okay we need to talk about your brand as a whole because you were part of the uh the the Utah the Utah which you will shed once you come out to Los Angeles because there will be so much more drama for you to be a part of I guarantee that but um what the hell it was all just Rachel Parcell in the beginning that's all we knew of Utah mom influencers yes I I literally was was not like in the past like I still love her so much right yeah but she was like the quintessential um her and Amber filler up and um you know and then of course Rachel's sisters and they're like a super mega rich like contractor husbands that like build them new houses every couple years and they're like literally the Kardashians of Utah yeah and that's when I first started to get into like I was pregnant and I needed free baby stuff so I was like I'll become like a little like Mommy blogger so she was like my influence but I didn't put it together that she was Mormon or LDS right because I think like saying Mormon is a little bit more derogatory I've heard yeah um it didn't used to be okay but just recently it's changed they'd rather be said said LDS than Mormons but I mean it's because we've been called Mormons first we've been called Mormons for so long that I just I don't know it doesn't bother me also too I think like Mormons are starting to be extremely inclusive and like there's a lot of like progress when we look at like I was raised Catholic and there's like there's not a lot of positive news coming out of it yeah autism lately yeah so anyway um I yeah no I was a big fan of a lot of the the the Mormon space and then what I realized was is there's a journaling aspect that that's why a lot of the mommy vloggers because the church encouraged journaling yeah and so that was just a part of telling about their lives and so like social media became like something that those ladies did but it was very narrow yeah so Tick Tock comes around and I'm actually just curious like what started for you were you already online before all this no I wasn't I I just had my first I have two kids I just had my first girl and I just I've always worked I've always been busy and I've always been in like I've Loved entertaining always like I grew up dancing Productions Never filmed like just on stage um and after I had my first I was like I just felt lost like I didn't know I didn't want to just be a mom like I wanted to I wanted to give more I wanted to do more so then Tick Tock rolls around and I was like you know what like I'm gonna [ __ ] go for this like I was like Googling like people like 40 000 like freaking Jason Derulo and like all these people and I was like you know what I love dancing I love entertaining like let's go let's do it and it started it started sort of probably small for you oh yeah you started collaborating I mean everybody starts at zero yeah you always start at zero in anything that you're doing and so I started at zero and then as I kept doing it being persistent I started meeting people collaborating with people getting my name more out there and then it's just come to what it is now so when people think about that specific sort of collaborative group yeah okay okay I was just saying that you know it's not volderboard it's Montauk oh God no I actually have a really like uh affectionate way of looking at them but it's because of you um that I I don't know every single person um but I've always followed you I would never unfollow you like I love you and we have this parasocial relationship yeah I didn't even know that she would even consider coming on oh my gosh yes absolutely vulnerable much less stressed like white Disney Queen yes um but honestly like it's just and I've also feel like I've seen your personality become so much more empowered even through the hate and the criticism of you and your husband and like it's just um I'm really curious like how how have you been are you okay yeah I'm I'm definitely good now I think what people don't realize is when I had found out personally like in my personal life with me and my husband because how it first started was somebody had made a video and I thought it was a joke I didn't think it was real and so then I showed my husband and then just [ __ ] hit the fan because I thought it was a joke I was which exact controversy are we talking about oh I'm talking about the Tinder controversy yes okay yeah yeah um and should we should we elaborate for folks that may not be on Tick Tock yeah okay do you want me to do it yeah sure yeah it's your story okay basically from what I know because like I watch her Tick Tock yeah um she's got a very handsome husband they're very in love with each other and somebody made a little snarky video that was like I saw his profile on Tick Tock and his his influencer or on Tinder and his influencer wife isn't gonna like that drama drama drama it was super snarky I saw it and I that's when I I knew I knew you and I knew I liked your Vibe and I was like oh this is not okay yeah but I didn't instantly hate him I was just like I really hope they figure it out yeah that was my immediate reaction about that yeah okay yeah no that's on point and when I had first showed it to him um I was on a family vacation so obviously he's not going to tell me right then and there so then later he basically just sat me down and just like spilled everything out to me it was almost like it was a very traumatizing for me and still at times a little triggering because I'd been married to this person six years and I had never known all the stuff that he was going through and so I was just like who the hell am I married to like it was just very it was just very shocking at the time so what people don't realize is when I had said that like that was so long after when I had come out and we had like shared our story and explained everything that happened so I'm doing so much better now because that was like a year ago that that happened but I mean we're still working on things but it's crazy because I've never been happier in my relationship because we'd go to couples therapy and he was like you need to divorce this past relationship that you have and basically start over you need to like mourn the death of who you guys were yeah especially at a younger age yeah yeah because we got married young yeah right that's what you do yeah if you're LDS in Utah I'd imagine there's a lot of pressure to do that oh just yeah like you don't have to but just naturally you feel that pressure and I I will say I love how we did it we were friends for a long time we dated and I just felt like we were very mature for our age that we were just like hey this is the next step because in the LDS religion you know you save yourself until you're married um and we just felt like we were there like that was the next step like let's get married anyways like um I want to hook up with you I want to have sex so let's get married yeah I mean come on I love that um no that wasn't the oh that wasn't it but I just felt like we we felt ready to take that next step sure and commitment to each other but yeah it's just crazy you just you never think these things will happen to you and then [ __ ] has the van and then you're like where do I go now no that shit's really hard marriages are not easy and they are not Picture Perfect like what you see on social media there's another gal that I follow who I love is cat stickler do you know her is she not on your for you page why does that sound oh yes yes super cute and he like and they had this horrible divorce she's also huge and she's like thriving the difference is that like y'all are making it work and she had that was extremely toxic for her and she had to move on right yeah I think that's the first choice you have to make is do we want to make this work or are we out okay and we decided we wanted to make it work okay so he was obviously very apologetic and like um you guys you guys even handled it through Tick Tock and you you had like a whole video I think right yeah I had a whole video I just posted like a snippet of it on Tick Tock and then I had a whole video that I had posted on YouTube and it's crazy to me how many people When You're vulnerable it's crazy When You're vulnerable how many people can relate with you and be like wow like thanks so much because you just feel I think when those things happen you feel ostracized because nobody just talks about that nobody just says Hey like this and this happened or you know my husband's dealing with this like nobody talks about those things naturally especially on social media so wait a minute would you say that your brand obviously like I think it probably ended up growing exponentially after this happened just because of you leaning into it and handling it the right way I actually feel like it grew before that okay it grew um it grew when I I had made a video in my pajamas and it was a dance and it just like blew up like crazy and then months later I don't know if you knew all this drama but months later than my baby boy was in the hospital no sweet I didn't know that I'm so sorry yeah no that was and that to me that drama was worse than this drama maybe yeah I do remember that I'm so maybe I do remember that yeah it was bad yeah I think I do remember that and he's okay oh no he's great okay yeah he's good yeah I don't like to hear that I had just given birth it just given birth to him and then you had jaundice so you had to be on the blue light so I'd already like felt like I didn't really have a connection with him people were [ __ ] on you about it right because you made a video about it right yes but then I was not angry but not when he had jaundice but when he had RSV yeah I needed to be in the hospital yeah yeah you've gotten you've gotten a lot of flack I can take it why how are you I was gonna say how are you so able how are you so thick-skinned I have a great support system okay if I didn't then no yeah you also wouldn't be able to live here because this place is very like isolating yes yeah um I knew I knew some folks that were uh they're like family vloggers they're LDS uh really good friends of mine and I I see that the quality of life that they wanted was different from living here with their kids and everything so they went back to Utah and and I I I I moved to Austin from here yeah so like I I just I admire you and also your husband because what I've noticed is a very like visual visible and palpable shift in his support of you yeah like even if it was just like you guys doing the dances together or you guys being sassy and a little sexy and like really going for it together do you feel like you've rediscovered each other like have you been healing oh yeah by making tick tocks yeah yeah it's it's fun time together and I'm a perfectionist so like I'll be like oh this isn't right we gotta do it again and he's just he's like we have a good time our number one rule though is that we will not make take talks if if it's a dance we will not make tick tocks if like the kids are there because we just get upset because we're like get out of the frame and stop talking stop being a baby baby I want your cocoa melon um yeah that's our number tick tocks are really frustrating at times they can be they can be and I just I wanted an app yes I do because sometimes if you don't feel you have to if you're doing dances because it's queued up to the music and like no I always film in the app so this one of my favorite ones that you've done is this um oh my God the Margaritas It's gotta be the margarita one because I didn't even know that song until I saw you do it I was like this [ __ ] is so funny we would have been friends for life from like high school on you were just born at the wrong time yeah yeah um or I was I don't know but yeah she did this one Margarita and she's just like you you you're so like Fearless when it comes to Comedy which is why I think it makes a lot of sense why you're gonna try to do the traditional acting round yeah you also look like Emily [ __ ] blunt oh did you not know that I mean I get it I don't see it I don't see it but honestly God I love that a bit yes she is especially when you cut your hair yeah because you had this like long beautiful mama hair and now she's this like sassy taking no [ __ ] but I like it for what you're doing like if you're looking into that yeah I like it and also you had red hair yeah I've been all over the place yeah I was brunette and then bleached it and then went red and then bleached it again and now I'm just trying to heal because you're prettier I was like you're trying to heal inside the hair straightening heel cool so what okay so then what do you think of La in general like I am really curious about this because this is definitely a culture shock we like about it because I can talk [ __ ] on it all the time but like there are probably some really great things about it yeah there's culture there's food um the weather's obviously great there's no snow yeah I bet you're sick of [ __ ] snow yeah okay you tell us whether it's been so weird because now it's just raining all the time it's like where's our summer it's gone weird I know it's weird did it snow no it didn't snow in the summer there no it um but it's raining it's no it's raining right now yeah rainy windy it's not the best weather um how do I feel about it I don't know yet I don't know enough to make a decision I'm I know that once I like come to church here I'm gonna meet a lot of people some were like kind of relying on that Community like to connect with other families and stuff because I don't really know where else I'd go to connect with families in L.A that's a very good point and I totally forgot about that they have a beautiful Church yeah uh here I mean all all LDS churches are just absolutely gorgeous but I would I that that's going to be great wait you're talking about the church or the temple sorry the temple the temple the one the one that's on the hill yeah with the pointing the pointing person yeah trumpet okay I'm the worst I'm the worst non-lds you're fine oh my God you're in a past life I think I might have actually been Mormon nice what does it mean to be Mormon it's Christian it's a Christian religion and there's certain covenants and Commandments that we believe that we believe in we abide in um promises that we make inside the temple they consider it a very I guess we consider it a very sacred place um and I guess that's why there's a difference like the church is where you know you go every Sunday and then the temple you have to have what's called a recommend so you have to like talk to a person who's going to ask you all of these different questions to see if you're worthy to go inside the temple okay have you ever felt like they because based on your content that people have started to question your worthiness as a Mormon absolutely yeah okay yeah for sure people ask me all the time like or we'll say like not a real Mormon i'm like [ __ ] yes I am and why do you feel like you are a real Mormon I just I mean I love God and I feel like I have a really close relationship with him and the way that I do it it's between me and God and not between the community in my opinion but I still abide by a lot of the rules that you're still married for one still married you like honored your husband in this in this whole in this whole crazy chaos yeah um how are your kids how are they doing they're great I've got a three-year-old Sedona and then Liam who's 18 months that's right and you've also been traveling a lot oh yeah we traveled a lot we tried that we tried the whole traveling gig and it just wasn't for us I mean we love it but not full time we were like oh maybe we'll do this full time you know it's like you see somebody like live a life or create a certain kind of content you're like I want to try that and then you try it and you're like look no yeah it was enough for me Bucket List family yes absolutely I actually messaged them and like for pointers and everything and I was like did they get back to you yeah oh great they used to live in Utah oh okay yeah they're Christian are they Elias they're LDS okay a lot of folks are LDS and they just don't talk about it no they don't they don't I think it's because people don't want like that staple like don't want to be identified like oh you're a Mormon and then all of a sudden say that you know somebody wants to take a shot or something because LDS we call it the word of wisdom where you don't drink alcohol and so if they do that then they're like wait you're not Mormon but it's like no like I'm so Mormon yeah I I know I know friends of mine who are LDS and smoke weed yeah you said Mormons are the best Partiers they I [ __ ] you not as I cuss no the my my LDS Mormon friends are the funnest people I know and also I don't drink I'm sorry so I have a lot more to relate to with them on as adults that are just like enjoying life and thriving and love family and like like I don't know what it is but like I I have been gravitating even the content creators that I have enjoyed for a while yeah have been folks that are just like you know loving um beautifying their home and just like you know I just have I've been influenced by you a lot I have I love you I don't see myself as an influencer I see myself as an Entertainer like I'm like I don't really know what I'm like I just want to party I'm like don't call me that I guess I'll dance I get that and people listening to this podcast or who've heard all sorts of different people on here it's it's really strange how I've had these parasocial relationships but I've never been let down one time when I've reached out to somebody that I'm passionate about and have like you know engaged with on social media each one of you that I'm like literally like hey what's up let me slide into your DMs you're exactly who I would think you are so it's very strange to me how people want to poo poo um I said boo-boo um yeah Mommy term I could spell it um uh they want to just be like oh like this is just all [ __ ] but it's actually like the the easiest way to network with other folks who have just as much of like a very specific influence and empowerment like what I ask you of you is this you are so empowered in having your platform and people know who you are and it's like for better for worse they they you have you're relevant you're very relevant you know what I mean in in circles Irrelevant in my circle yeah and so what is it that you're seeking are you seeking relevance in traditional like Hollywood or what is the goal or do you just feel like you've always wanted to entertain and act and that's what you're now in love with I've always wanted to entertain and social media was my creative outlet but now for me I'm like okay what's next and I've always wanted to do film I just didn't know how to get there and I've created this circle that's helping me get there and so I'm and I'm really grateful for that because before when I wanted to it's like I don't know like where do I go like Google where do I like you know what I mean like I'm in Utah like I don't know yeah there's not a ton well there is but they made some movies there they did High School Musical yeah High School Musical is definitely there and I guess the series that they make right Loki auditioned to be a dancer on High School Musical you should I didn't get it you look so young you called you absolutely could have lame yeah yeah no there's a lot there's a lot that goes out there but I want it to be bigger I want to be with the big boys and they just feel like I've done what I can in Utah that I want to take that step yeah I mean sometimes you have to take like risks and I think as a mom you you have a lot of judgment even not as LDS like you have a lot of judgment for ever investing in yourself yeah and so you know um like with this company like my husband and I kind of we created it and so it's like any time I've had an idea if he's backed it it's made it that much easier and and for me not to second guess it like right now I'm not with my kids yeah and I miss them so much right it's like [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm here and I should be with them and like this one has like swimming and piano and I'm like missing that and it's just you you feel like a tremendous amount of guilt to invest in yourself yeah no absolutely especially since I'm like let's move to California everything's here it's a big move yeah no it's huge would you ever consider maybe like Orange County or then like kind of commute we did we looked into that okay but I just I want to try La for a few months and then if it's like okay this isn't for us then yeah yeah we'll go like down to Urban or something Irvine's great yeah that's where I lived I lived like in uh Old Town orange is really sweet or Costa Mesa Costa Mesa is great for me yeah there's there's a lot of really great people there in churches and whatnot a lot of influencers there too oh really yeah well there's like well no I guess some of them moved now like Savannah she's not LDS but uh the labrant family was there okay yes and they moved to Nashville but um but yeah I mean there's tons of folks that it's a beautiful place too to shoot content you're like no I want to shoot yeah like Rebrand where I'll always be creating content I love it I'll always do that but I'm trying to Rebrand where people see me as not a tick tocker but as an actress and I know that's going to take years but but you're like okay with that yeah you're okay with that and you've got such a thick skin already with everything that you've just gone through oh my God yeah so how are you going to avoid more cancellation oh God not sure anything of my life but like you're a very unproblematic person yeah and so it just feels very strange to me how like randomly people will come for people and then like it's your job um as a public person I suppose to like not quite manipulated but like use it as like your superpower yeah no I've I've actually I'm actually grateful for the times that that has happened because it's helped me navigate for when maybe it will happen again like the way I navigated the whole Tinder thing with Connor help the or sorry rewind what happened with Liam in the hospital when he had RSV um getting all of that hate was far worse than what happened with Conor but I just feel like that really Made Me Stronger to then deal with that and then I'm sure with that and I mean there's always going to be something people are always going to nitpick people are always going to find something to destroy you that's so heavy you're absolutely right the word destroy truly is it because if you realize that it's like that heavy then your relationship to like I I have plenty of really positive uplifting messages and then those one negative comment on any one of my platforms can like really take take a hit in my day and my mental I just feed into it so if somebody said God like this haircut looks horrible I'm like oh my God I know like what do you think what color do you think I should do next time or something like that like something stupid like just play it off cool like it doesn't affect you because I think when somebody knows if they're looking for a reaction and negative reaction like they're just gonna keep crying and just trying to do it I'm like great like engagement for me keep coming back I was gonna say we call that fan Behavior yeah come on one back yeah you actually secretly want all my attention yeah bring the haters you love me where who a who creatively like who do you want to be like I said it Emily Blunt but is there like somebody that you see and you're like that's the career that I'd like to have um girl I want to be myself I like that that's really dope I just think I've never seen I've never seen a content creator go into the acting industry I've never seen that switch so I'm like okay well then I'll be the first one to do that and see if it works that's so cool yeah I love that I'm also extremely jaded and protective and now I wanna like I wanna I wanna be like no I'm gonna be like yeah check it on you I'm checking I will check in on me I will absolutely be watching your content and I will absolutely be checking in on you thanks I can't help it it's it's part of this like parasocial world where it's like you feel like you intimately know people and of course like we don't know everything right of course and we also don't we don't need to or want to know the extent of the pain of like living through that stuff let me ask you this so Mom talk is there a reality show coming or not um I can't say anything about it I'm just kidding I totally I totally had to ask TBD I love that they will honestly they I I know that somebody had said that they were following you guys around with a camera on yeah like I assumed that maybe you guys were doing like a pilot or something of it yeah and then maybe shopping it out because there's obviously such an appetite for it and y'all are so interesting and cool and beautiful um but it was I I had to laugh because folks asked me to interview for like Austin Housewives or something yeah I was like why would you think that me what about me screams Austin a house okay but you would slay ER oh yes like absolutely I guarantee you I feel like these hoops are coming off and I'm [ __ ] fighting somebody and they'd be like I don't know that's like New York this is Austin you need to chill the [ __ ] out and I'm like well you hired the wrong [ __ ] I don't know what to tell you wait we all come from somewhere um yeah yeah I'm not a huge reality show fan but it is kind of weird how Mom talk became a reality show for folks yeah and I was like this is this is wild yeah so what was can I ask you what was what was the part what was your part in all that and are you good with that have you said goodbye to that I didn't say goodbye okay I mean to that I don't know to that person I don't know I didn't say goodbye to the show I can't wait well that will be help that would be helpful theoretically speaking I say with quotation marks yeah um reality shows like are so different than they were like when Disney Channel was big and you were growing up and stuff it's like it's not you don't have to be an elite wealthy person to like yeah now it's like bachelorettes get so many sponsored deals and you can become a brand yeah but I also think that you're like a really great character there was a reality show yeah I'd be rooting for you good I'm the funny one you're the funny one they're all so beautiful and you've had your [ __ ] happen to you and people have come for you yeah and I I mean honestly like say what you want about you know Taylor Frankie Paul yeah um she's been through a lot of [ __ ] over the last few years and everybody wants a villain and when they're beautiful even better yeah um so my heart goes out to all the moms everywhere that have to like struggle and and I don't know we don't have all the answers right we don't and like the shitty thing is is that like what I do like about um Tick Tock is that like moms of tick tock they tend to come to each other's Aid more often than not yeah but I don't know your experience because like I think that there is a lot of really judgy moms yeah I don't know if that's a different fyp [Laughter] Ed no there definitely is I'd say in in my circle no absolutely not that there are not there's support yeah absolutely yeah that's good um it's interesting it actually made us closer that whole Scandal made all of us closer because when that Scandal first happened I like completely disassociated myself from that group because I didn't want to be associated with swingers did I play off the clout absolutely you're so smart to to lean into whatever because you know you're so smart Whitney you know that and this is something that I've I my my my Elder Millennial self is like really just getting comfortable with with like how I title my YouTube videos yeah and like people always come up come apart on me on it I'm like you literally watch Like a Dude eating like as many hot dogs as possible in a minute and because you think that's hilarious it's like everyone is going to click on the thing that's the most interesting thing that's just kind of the language of of social media yeah and the most like flashy the like by virality yeah virality of it all and so you but what's so cool about it is that it took me years even after having been in this traditional media yeah to like be okay with that and you're like ahead of the game because you're like that'll pass yeah even it affects my family like we are we have a thick skin and we have a community absolutely yeah yeah I wasn't worried about getting caught up in it but I was just naturally associated with it which I didn't it really didn't bother me can I ask you a question yeah I I didn't see like swingers are a very specific thing yes swingers are actually like people having intercourse with each other yes and there's a pineapple thing and it's upside down and like people have like Resorts where they go and they and and it's completely fine and it's a little hedonistic but like they know that and they're like we're all good it's almost like adult adult entertainment right when I'm speaking I've spoken to sex workers and entertainment and it's just like this like thing of like we all trust each other and we're all here yeah it didn't really read to me like it was truly swinging but that's just me it read to me like folks that didn't have a lot of sexual experience right that were like Curious I know with some couples it was full-on swinging but with some it wasn't yeah and that's the problem is that like they all get lumped into this category category of like you were straight up you know yeah that's not and there definitely was some falling out with some of the moms um but I say generally there's a group of us that just we're just the bestest of friends like I'm just so grateful for them that's really good are they going to come to California yeah they're actually coming here this weekend no way everyone's gonna come to VidCon I'm going to VidCon one should come when's VidCon they would love for you guys to come release why not Montauk can come anywhere and people will be excited you guys need like matching t-shirts and I will buy it no there's an event in um Dana Dana Point yeah yeah and that's why everyone's playing out so everyone's playing into sna sna oh great that's a great that's actually do not fly into LAX if that's one thing I can give to you fly into Burbank because LAX is in like this hellish construction zone where you have to take your multiple bags because I have always traveling with multiple bags with lots of clothes yeah and like you have to roll it to a bus that's like 10 minute walk to the Buddy and then they remember I didn't fly into lax's trip but I see you're learning you're learning so much faster than anyone I could imagine absolutely I guess I'm excited for you I am but I wanna I also feel very protective of you I don't know why that's kind of weird is that weird no I love it okay be productive of me do you have and you have an agent and a manager and all that right now I have a manager right now and I'm still working on an agent because I want to be with like a reputable agency so it's like I want to pitch myself really well to be with those type of agencies so it's like those I feel like I need to have like this amazing resume to be like I'll make you money all the people that work on our set they went to AFI and one USC I will shout out to one USC Ashton but um AFI is like the Harvard of like you know of like film schools and they they have a sag actors program where they literally feed their actors into their um their uh program and other programs their films cool these people's films and these are like the next Quentin Tarantino like you know although Quentin Tarantino didn't go to film School the next like big things and also what's great about that is that you get onset experience and um footage for your reel and then you could probably take that to like an agent and like be like hey I'm the [ __ ] and you you need me in your life and look at my social media yeah because like you know that's a part of it no matter what well it's hard because it's like almost like I don't want it to be a part of it because I don't want it to like pinpoint me into a certain role but what okay so what role do you think that you love drama I love drama like you don't disagree like she looks like Emily Blunt and she's really sassy I think she would be great in a rom-com that's a good thing right no I'd love that I would absolutely love that yeah I love drama more I honestly I'm so excited for your future there's a lot it sounds to me like there's more on the horizon than we can even talk about yes but when you're whenever you need me you can call me baby please I thought you didn't try that I would or I did yes and um if I ever well I mean like if I ever go to Utah You Gotta Give me some recommendations of some of these like wild soda shops that y'all have I've heard about yeah swag so delicious because we've got it all I [ __ ] love soda is there caffeine in them though well you can choose like Refreshers where it's just like a puree like we walk there like probably almost every day oh God it's so bad good luck Whitney I will always be rooting for you no matter what thank you I mean not no matter what yeah but like mostly what I've got you just don't [ __ ] it up I'm just kidding I love you Eddie thanks so much for watching this episode of the vulnerable podcast for clips of this episode and many more go ahead and check out the podco YouTube channel the link is in the description