AI Demos: Gemini Gmail, Search GPT, Groq with Voice & Playground | E2001

Sunny joins Jason to jump into AI demos. chat GPT has this new function called search GPT and so you can say tell me about the uh oh are you in search GPT yeah yeah yeah yeah it didn't let me in it's told me the weight list is over so this is perplexity from them right yeah and then if open AI puts a revenue model on this like links out in an auction you would have stolen somebody's content and then slapped a link on it so let that sync in this isn't monetized yet outside of the fact that you're paying 20 bucks a month to remove all the ads and have a cleaner experience but in a way they are mon in it with that subscription so when this search engine comes out I think you're going to see 10 times as many lawsuits against open AI so they they got to be really there's a reason why they didn't open this to everybody this is lawsuit Central this weekend startups is brought to you by Squarespace turn your idea into a new website go to squarespace.com twist for a free trial when you're ready 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good yeah I can't believe how good the results we used anthropic to create our own plugin to do that so we don't have to yes so it's we're kind of getting it all around these days yeah yeah no anthropic is pretty great too how are you doing how's uh how's work going everything's excellent you know really busy um you know just heads down this is we said the second half is going to be crazy and it's already started that way and you know Q4 starts in October but really it starts in September I always tell my teams like look Q4 is our longest quarter because it's four months I mean it's not technically but you get what we're saying right people come back from their August break and they're on fire and they want to get everything done in September October November before the Christmas rush and we've been in business the Holiday Rush is here before you know it kids are back in school so everybody tries to get as much work done during those 100 days from Labor day too and budgets budgets get set for the next year so it's just a very critical and so what's happening with the case of new product new demos are people working through the summer do you get the sense that people have a sense of urgency or do you think people are taking breaks no so I'm gonna I'm going to quantify it in the following way so first of all you know there's that Meme which is like the entire like fangs being held up by by Nvidia stock market yeah so like Nvidia came through right they came through and they proved with already you know huge expectations they still even beat those out and on top of that they're like look our stock is so expensive we're going to buy back $50 billion of it as well and we're we're not going to go we're deep on the financial side but like that's what we needed to get this you know keep the momentum going right because that could have been you know had it been a Miss or something like that it could have been a little bit you know slowed things down but that just showed the demand is still growing which you know I think those of us on the ground know that's happening but a macro thing can always be a challenge the stock is um yeah it's still up massively year to dat 50% in the last year it's up 142% over the last 5 years it's up 2800% but you know it's kind of feels like their success has now been baked into the stock it's all priced in yeah worth three trillion is and um uh they did beat the revenue number a bit they still have a huge margin they haven't added a ton of headcount um but there have been some delays in certain products maybe you could inform the audience about the product lineup at Nvidia and what you're seeing you know get deployed and and some of those issues yeah I mean like look they have a a new chip called Blackwell here's what I'll say and you know we're all in the same ecosystem but they're moving really fast you know chip design used to be like a three to five year thing where it' be like that's a cycle it was on you know think think back through you know your days when you were you know deploying CP Intel CPUs right every three to five years is when you get a new one right new Pentium chip yeah yeah exactly and and Intel also had this like tick Tok model right which is like they would create a new chip and then the you know the the that was a tick and the talk was like a you know like the iPhone S kind of thing they make like a and so these guys are coming up with brand new architectures and moving really fast and so I think they Chip design advancements and AI prevalence in startup technology really um you know made folks feel comfortable that um they have chips in customer hands they've made some changes to their process that will help them yield more chips and so we're very excited by that but close out on my thought I think starting with that I'm going to kind of break it down down into the following categories and I'll I'll throw one to you but I'll start I think this there was a for the there was a summer y combinator batch yes and and man like I you know I have it in my like Twitter and um or X and I kind of feel like every company in a white is I company and there's there's some amazing stuff like I look at I go holy cow like that's really cool so I'm I'm excited to see what's there I'll throw it back to you like in terms of you know the companies you have going on like how many many of them are are kind of AI native right and so half are AI native or more and the other half are using AI to accelerate whatever Mission they're on or using it to to operate their businesses and so yeah it's very real now one of our startups that went through found University or accelerator also went to I combinator tax GPT and they're doing fantastic and so you know unlike crypto which I know you were a fan of sometimes technology is you know super compelling but it doesn't get to a use case and I think AR VR and crypto would be the leading culprits there of a nanot technology perhaps uh Quantum Computing would fall into this where you see the Promise there's some great foundational Innovation that's occurred but it doesn't actually change a human being's life and with AI it does so very simple I'm you know I'm at the grocery store last night and um it's called Central Market it's like uh hb's like hipster brand it's quite nice and I'm the person who's bagging my groceries uh asked me how my day was and in Texas Everybody Talks it's like very charming and personable place it's a pretty yes ma'am yes sir I mean I've never been called Sir or said ma'am so many times in my life um but she was a student uh at business school and she was bagging groceries gave her a nice tip obviously and I was having this conversation with her and I was talking to her about chat gp4 cuz she was talking about business school and I said uh you do you know what you're going to do in business I said whatever you do just get on chat GPT 40 every day and she said yeah you know people have been talking about that a little bit and I was like how does the school not have their students on it I'm like and I told her I said I'm going to give you one piece of advice just use it all day long she's like okay I'm going to do that I like pay the 20 bucks a month to get it on your phone yeah you gave her a $20 tip so she get the first basically what I did yeah you kind of nailed it so first month free on jaob so the point is like I still think people are not using this which is bizarre to me people who are using it are bionic and my Lord it has changed how quickly you can research knowledge and then deploy it inside your company or for your life I started doing something where I was like research manipulate the knowledge as well like you know s of and Experiences with ChatGPT-4 and Google's Gemini in Gmail then yeah or not manipulates the wrong word but I guess like you know work on it right so I started a new thread with my chat gp40 where I said you are my economics tutor I want you to teach me and quiz me every day about and give me reinforcement of what a good job I'm doing on you know uh different um theories and I want you to use really illustrative examples and so I was just trying to fill in my knowledge because I didn't take economics macro micro anything really in college and it's been amazing I've done like maybe three or four seses where it gives me some information about price elasticity or uh you know just buzzwords and then it gives me a quiz is this price elastic or not and I'm like this is so can I give you another can I give you another hack sure please and man I I would do it real time in a demo but it's it's probably a little bit too quick go to Harvard or MIT depending on the type of course you're taking find the course it's open source they've open source all of them put it into your choice of chat te and then walk through that with it very interesting you say that because the way this started was you know a couple years ago when Allin was starting I felt like wow I'm just a little deficient on this macroeconomic stuff so I did find mit's open courseware yes and I took the course on YouTube cuz all the notes are out there and so that's literally what I did but you're saying take this page if you look here principles of macroeconomics and this is the coursework there and it has the topings the video and these are the lectures I've been taking on uh YouTube actually no this is a different one so this is the same course taught by somebody else I guess they updated it and they have transcripts so you're right this is what I'm going to do I'm going to take these transcri topics and reading right go right there and then yeah like yeah I mean boom topics and reading even better um so uh it's a Brave New World and you can learn anything and you can learn fast and you get your own personalized tutor I don't Squarespace - Use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain care if you're building Enterprise SAS a 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here's your call to action check out squarespace.com twist for a free trial and when you're ready to launch go to squarespace.com twist to get 10% off your first website or domain purchase that's squarespace.com twist what have you seen recently um I've been using grock a bit the other grock not your grock but elon's grock to Discussion on generative AI: filtered vs. unfiltered content create funny images and I noticed they don't have a bit of a filter there so you can do some wacky stuff and some friends were doing some spicy stuff not that spicy but there's a big debate going on right now I think between unfiltered generative Ai and filtered you know what what that's actually showing and and this will be a challenges you know these laws that that are being proposed right and particularly the one in California that is trying to regulate this and the challenge that's emerging is and you know we're going to we're going to see some demos of this today is that it's so easy to do stuff now that like before you could you know you could take software and do good things and bad things with it but the Buri to entry to do it was quite hard and now it's just minutes on uh you know on a prompt and and you know the combination of those images plus software you could create Plus+ plus you know it's it's really you know I I I still think that you know the industry like we talked about needs to self-regulate you know you had a great suggestion like tag those images or put a watermark on them and say this is like it's it's it was made by you know this image generator and it's fake that would be a way to do it right is to just simply put a watermark on the is if you wanted to but you know it's kind like Photoshop I think yeah everybody should assume every image and video you see is fake until you've confirmed it's real same with audio so how do you confirm that multiple incedible news sources and this is where news can pay play a role have confirmed that it's real so when you see something on you know social media you should just assume that's fake until a proper news source has vetted it yeah so here's what I think is going to happen and it's it's going to happen quickly because we're probably already at a ratio of like for every real picture that's taken like a hundred fake ones are generated because you know it's just easier to do I think what we're going to see within the next you know and this will this will be longer cuz not a technology thing it's like an industry thing photos that are taken by a device will be watermarked and that Watermark will carry all the way through to the point of publishing and you'll be able cuz I think it it'll be more about saying this is an actual real image so you know like certificate of authenticity on like a bag or a watch or something sure it it' be like that thing and I think that's where we're going to end up interesting so instead we'll we'll assume anything you see that's not labeled is yes then if it's real that's when it gets some sort of certificate something on the bottom a QR code could be blockchain who knows that says hey this is real and basically go and it'll show like the device it came from and all those kind of things and you know where it was taken and that's the only way we're really going to be able to you know cuz the generation is just too easy right now well I mean the conspiracy theories now are colliding with fake images and so it's kind I kind of feel like we're in a post truth post reality era where just you see it with your own eyes on a computer or phone assume it's not real if you see it in the real world maybe it is real yeah all right so let's see some demos here we've got some demos demos I'm excited there's some really cool ones okay so this one it's actually in in your email it's enabled in your Gmail if you're paying for Gemini and so what they've done is at Google and so I've just pulled up you know Ben Thompson sends a strategery post from you know a couple weeks ago and so what you can do is you say ask Gemini and basically you get this little thing inside your Gmail yeah and basically here you can go it's like you know can you summarize uh this email in you know for bullet points perfect and because you know these are quite long and you know you should read them but um I'm just using it as example here he's prolific yeah and here you go right and well done and then you can do followup questions with it and so and you can apply this everywhere so this is not just to you can help this help you draft responses uh you can have you can have this help you look through your emails a as well and basically you can say oh like can you help me find an email with Jason and me and about poker but it was you know from February and you don't have to understand all those crazy parameters anymore like the search parameters so this is honestly what since I discovered this I've been using it like multiple times a day superhuman released AI search product that's very similar a little bit better on the margins yeah and it automatically summarizes your email as it comes in yeah which is kind of great there's like a oneliner at the top of every superhuman email now which is really nice and then it will summarize the entire email thread so you can do like a thread where you had 20 people and say like catch me up and I think that's kind of really interesting because if you think about busy Executives you know some people are ranked in file they get an email they have to go through the thread they got to figure it out you know they don't have an assistant they don't have a cheapest staff they don't have a researcher or whatever working for them other people are just like I don't have time to read this and you just give me a bullet point summary of it and some human were to do that so now everybody becomes bionic everybody has two or three researchers working for them so I think the static Team siiz theme I've been talking about with Alex and you on this podcast about static team size fancy way of saying your team size stays the same but your company's growing this is the weird phenomenon I think companies will get smaller and more efficient it's going to be pretty wild because you'll have somebody in the organization who adopts the technology gets three times as much done and then somebody else doesn't adopt it and they get fired their position gets you know cut whatever it is and um boom then that person's doing three times the amount of work it really is going to be dramatic if you're using these tools to get through your inbox yes whether using superhuman or Gils you're going to be you know somewhere between two and 20 times faster um that's a game changer right there it really is and you know I am um I I am just blown away like just by you know how much you can do uh how effective it is and you know it's um like like I said as soon as I got into it it's like and its recommendations are powerful where does it go next sunny where does it go next because right now this is exactly what I would expect nothing more nothing less I expect it to summarize I expect it to you know it's a really good find stuff what's next where does it go it watches how you deal with them and then it just becomes you okay so let's say uh an email comes in it's from somebody pitching me a guest for the podcasts it knows that you usually take that email and forward it to you know deals you know launch. Co um plus you and you usually add three lines like hey you know a b and c it just starts doing it kicks that part off for you got it so I already have an Athena assistant go to Athena wow.com to get your own and get a month free on your boy Jal or something like that it's pretty good deal and what Athena does is have my assistant and in my professional inbox she pre- sorts it so she is constantly Nikki is labeling things and then she I haven't had her start forwarding it but it's all labeled so it's all in you know nice and clean so when I get in there and I haven't given her the instructions of like if it's a startup pitch give it to somebody else but I could and I could have her rout it but this is going to be very interesting to see you know you're you're outsourced Athena assistant AI working together to do this right and I think that triage is really interesting obviously some of these are giving you example responses or propose responses I find they're terrible I was looking at linkedin's the other day and they were kind of like a one-dimensional they didn't have my voice yet so I do think you're right understanding the person's voice is going to be the next big piece all right Founders do you want to sell to bigger customers of course you do you Vanta. 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thing as well this time huh yeah I know it depends on the message I've seen that oh it depends on the message yeah so here's an Airbnb one um and and maybe if I go to this one it will show me um like my choices but it's oh look at this another little one start a conversation easily by mentioning connections introduce myself so now it's drafting a message hey Jack I whoa I hope your week is going well I came across your profile and noticed that we both connected with Mark caner I am impressed by the work you did at oh my God I mean that's wild wild times folks um it is literally starting me on third base I just have to hit the send key uh so yeah my inmail is going to have even more people asking me to test their SAS product or invest in their companies I don't mind either I'll be honest I like getting a little inmail feel nice it is AI integration in Gmail and throwing AI at business problems super useful and then you know with that like the the the Gmail demo you can also be like hey can you find me that receipt from this or you can it basically it your email which you know a bunch of us use as a data source it allows you to interact with it as a data source as well pretty interesting yeah what's going to happen J oh what's going to happen I mean it's pretty clear to me that companies will stay the same size and they will get more done and adding people throwing humans at problems has always been rif with problems it's been effic inefficient but it does generally work so hey sales is growing at 20% let's add more salese and hopefully you have sales go up to 30% right and you keep throwing sales people at the problem hey our product is not keeping up with our you know competitor okay let's throw some devs at it you know it's always like throw oh customer support times are raising we'll throw some customer score people now you know I think managers are saying wait a second throwing people doesn't do it we need to just throw AI at it so the whole concept of throw people at a problem is going to be throw ai ai had a problem Bingo yeah we'll keep coming back to this theme I think we're going to really change the workforce and find people that just use these tools natively and you know I I keep going back to a time in my career in the late 90s right which feels like so long ago now where you know and you'll remember this too there was a huge part of the workforce that didn't use search you remember that yes absolutely there was yeah yeah God bless their souls but a lot of those people probably dead now right because you know this was like 30 years ago but you know I've said it many times on the show paradigms don't die people do and I think there are people who who are in that and you know now you're going to have a verticalized AI that really understands LinkedIn that really understands Gmail that really understands HubSpot that understands lead IQ or Salesforce and you know these are the verticalized apps that are going to need a lot of fine-tuning so when we saw that LinkedIn you know writing the custom message yep you know it may not want me to be so effusive you know or I may not want to be that effusive in the email that I'm impressed by whatever and so I just talk to it and I say you know what make the email shorter and more to the point yeah you know uh I want to email all these CEOs and invite them to this conference you know and they should come to the conference because they're going to meet other great CEOs the end don't don't sh about it and you know that I think understanding your style is going to be the interesting thing and I notice chat gp40 keeps adding to its AI personalization tools and grading AI email integration memory of me you know when it does that little thing where it says adding to memory have you seen this little oh yeah yeah yeah it's doing it all the time now when it realizes that you use the name or like a that you have a dog or a cat or whatever it happens to be says adding to memory and this is I think personalization right so personalization is going to change this right now as powerful as this is without personalization it kind of hits a cap I don't want to click on way to go you know I I don't say way to go you know like that's not in my lexicon so you know if if chat GPT or LinkedIn or superhuman you know picks that I not for me but lfg exclamation point is so if it knows I like to say let's effing go as lfg exclamation point with the rocket ship which is my response to people you know that it's going to learn that over time so pretty exciting stuff okay good segue as usual jcal well actually let's we stop we didn't grade last time let's grade let's grade the Gmail integration yeah it's a b solid B it doesn't do blowing me away it's not making me go oh my God I got to tell somebody about it it would be you know just like when you do a net promoter score it's like a seven or eight it hasn't blown me away to the level that I would tell other people on my team about it because it's what I expect now I'm going to give the LinkedIn score an a for specifically the introduction okay I'm not giving an a to the responses it does the can responses but I am giving an a to that introduction introduction thing because that was impressive that is what you know somebody might take a LinkedIn course on how to use LinkedIn and that would be the template in the course right is hey show some interest say something about the previous job let them know you know um have a closing sentence with a request in it like that that feels like it's training you on how to do it well yeah okay so I give that an a I give the other one a DAT what do you what do you give each of those I I I think like yeah I'm with you like I want to see a little bit more personalization you know like look Google workspace is what we use you know I use Gmail personally so like for me it's like a like I'd be like hey you have to add this now so it's like to your $20 you got to add this $20 but so it's it's in the recommend category for me but more personalization and then sort of it to just you know take the task on and it it can do it can write the intros and all that kind of stuff for you as well like you know I can have it write an intro to you and it'll do a pretty good job that sounds like you're going B+ or something where I'm I'm B+ with that and okay uh I'm lined up with you I thought that intro thing was pretty cool that was surprising it's the first time I saw it too yeah and that's I think you know if you look at crypto I I I didn't I never had a moment like that in crypto yeah I never had a moment where I opened up LinkedIn and it was like hey would you like to put this on the blockchain your connection to this person on a blockchain it's immutable and then we're going to create an nft of your relationship you know like and then we're going to make a dow out of your you know Google group and it was none of that's happened for me there's no blockchain email 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celebrities well I mean but it's an email fair enough fair enough but I'm writing an email to you and it should know that you and I email all the time we're on an email thread m I'm not a celebrity so I don't know I don't know I don't know so I think I think I mean it's gotten a little weird I will tell you I was like you know when it gets weird is when you know it's not that somebody recognizes you it's when like three people in a row recognize you so i' literally was at so house in Austin I was just hanging out with a friend of mine will Barnes who's a VC and uh I get up from the table to leave and I had not you know you notice people are kind of like clocking you I noticed that cuz I'm like from Brooklyn I just always keep an eye out um yeah yeah head on I get up and these two guys beine it for me they say hi the person at the next table gets up and says hi and then as I'm walking out the third person gets up and I said uh M you know like because I had to ask for selfies I was like sure I'll take a selfie she goes no no I don't want to take a selfie I want to know who you are and I was like okay I was like listen it's just a stupid podcast or whatever and I and I she what's podast I tell her the name all and yeah she goes oh my boyfriend listens to that yeah and I like okay three for three there you go that's when you know it's getting a little bit weird take it all in Jason take it all in all right you know I'm I'm going to take it down to a B minus because I needed to I'm uh we're we are organizing a poker game in Vegas and I need to write you a convincing email and so I mean you convinced me already you said Vegas and poker and you yeah three of my favorite things yeah we'll do it we'll do it awesome can't wait all right all right so let's keep going here so Jason this is one where I think you're Deep dive into Search GPT functionalities and Google's AI search evolution really gonna like it and I don't know if You' started using this yet or you've been enabled and if you haven't it's really it's really useful so same thing here um chat GPT has this new function called search GPT and so you can say tell me about the uh oh are you in search GPT yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it didn't let me in it's only the weight list is over so this is perplexity from them right yeah in Austin um during September okay here we go tell me about upcoming concerts that's a pretty good query yeah upcoming concerts wow and so you know basically it's breaking it Down Right you've got Incubus coming oh you got Green Day you can go and do that and uh okay no links yeah so um you know you you've kind of patience huh um yeah but it's kind of giving you some some and so like you know you could do the jcal think is it can you uh put these results uh in a table okay and then do yeah citations yeah okay I mean this is impressive um if it's correct I'm assuming it is I'm don't know where it's getting it from but it does look like my citations and links yeah great let's see what it does oh yeah add citations and links to purchase tickets and uh well this is where if you click on one of those it says purchase tickets I don't know what link it's gonna give you so this is where you know Wonder uh I'll do Incubus okay Incubus there you go okay take C okay perfect yeah perfect um yeah amazing and green day let's see song Oh song kick except all the cookies okay let's see yeah contous and Austin okay yeah so I mean it knows I mean what it's doing to be clear is it's searching the web it's got its own crawl we know it's crawling right that's how it built the mangage model so it's got a crawler the open AI crawler has some number of these Pages already index correct it's in its index it's not pulling I think they're I think they're doing a new crawl now for this right where and they may have Partnerships they may have built their own I mean they've got all kinds of resources right so uh and and you know we know there's different ways to do this because we've seen other companies do it wait it says set as seage engine what does that oh I think this you know it lets you uh set I mean I if you click that it will set it up as your default search engine that's crazy yeah yeah okay W yeah so here we go it does that now explain to the audience what you think is happening here behind the scenes they have a new crawl and then it's taking those web pages and then saying what to the inference engine yeah so um great question so what most of these things are doing is like following um you know a form of rag and in this particular case what happens is the user asks something the llm figures out what the user is asking and then the llm has access to what we call tools right and those tools can be anything right and this is like this is a really big um you know sort of shift in Paradigm and how people are building software one of those tools would be a WebCrawler now you can use for the web crawler there's existing services like you know Ser API and all these other folks that exist um you know Brave has one too or you could build your own right and so my guess what's happening is when you put the query in it realizes that it needs to basically use a tool in this case the tool could be very specific it could be very generic and that I got to go crawl the web or it could be a very specific tool that's built looking for concerts so if they you know if I was building it I'd build lots of different tools so that I could I could make them better versus one generic one which may not be good for across all these things and so and rag is retrieval that that data together and then the second step is augmented generation based upon what you retriev so there's two steps going on when you do rag corre and exactly that's why it's like it's kind of written it's like the generation was you know sort of was part of the first part or like I assd what to do then it does a retrieval to augment that generation so you're not just getting results only from its training data it knows how to go and use a tool that tool will then go and do a search that will send results back to the llm and the llm will reason over those results and create a much cleaner result here like you see on perplexity or you see right here with in this Cas it got ticket it got sh concerts it knows concerts and tickets somehow are related to se geek and song kick and other plac say boom and then it retrieves that information these guys must could have done deals we don't know right they're out there a lot of folks are doing deals as well right now where they've just done deals with these folks too well you know this is I think the innovators dilemma that we were talking about for Google which is you know Google's results don't feel like generative AI they feel like Blu links or some you know documents reported back in tables Etc depending on what you're doing flight shopping you know tickets for Stuff Etc but but this is a new feeling right this is a different feeling and do you perceive that users want this type of experience where it's almost like they had an assistant do the searches and put it into a Google doc does not feel like What's Happening Here is that there's a research assistant between the search engine and the human it's a really really insightful question here's what's happening in terms of how we're interacting with the internet before you know really modern search engines uh we had Yahoo which was just an organized uh set of links right exactly in a in a taxonomy and you kind of had to go through and find stuff then you end up with search and different companies try different algorithms Google comes up with a really good one called page rank which basically you know quick summary is it looks at the links between pages to determine the ones that may be the most relevant Authority yeah exactly because they're referenced across other Pages now the internet has content that's not always referenced right because you know page rank is not as as you know relevant because there's well-known sources and things like that and what's really happened is the way we interact is still kind of in that progression where we were um in terms of where obviously no one goes to a directory anymore but people still use search and they hunt and Peck through a bunch of listings and what I think people want now is like you know how many times you just find it like give me the just damn result of what I'm trying to look for yes solve my problem solve my problem right it's interactive and so you know even what we were just talking I had it add like a rating for each of these right I don't know what it basis was but it added you know 4.5 out of five 4.3 and you know whatever it happens to be right ridiculous yeah yeah well actually here do this say at a column with a link to their YouTube page Practical AI search tests and Yelp's data integration and their Twitter H let's just see if it can actually do that research task right let's see if it can do it you know this is something Gemini did well for me but you know it's trying to link to a YouTube channel we broke it so here you go once again J broke it in the first instance so Sam mman still work to be done here but you know I do have great success with this with chat jeap D40 not the search engine I do have success with this with Genie yeah really good okay do another one here give me the top 10 barbecue joints in Austin all right I'm using joints to see if it can navigate should be able to figure that out yeah I think so here we go Franklin Le barbecue those are definitely up there Terry BL number three yeah these other ones I don't know but that's okay and uh yeah I don't see the salt lck there it is there's the salt yep now put um include the Yelp rating now this is taking IP from Yelp this is a pretty contentious issue let's see what happens here include the Yelp rating for each and it could get the Yelp rating from somebody who wrote a blog post about the Yelp ratings um but here we go the address and the Yelp ratings coming in um so yeah and if you said sort by Yelp rating that's pretty crazy if it does it yep that's I mean right about now I think Jeremy stelman is writing a letter C to no maybe they've done a deal we don't know it's possible yeah I mean but this is what I want from Yelp I mean I know I'm like the you know I know everybody's like Yelp what are you talking about but I'm also I love Yelp I trust the data on there and I do all kinds of searches like this but this is a this experience would make me not go to yel yeah so you know we're we're kind of and I remember we did this and you're putting can you add the distance from the proper Hotel breach yeah so that's where you like to stay I guess and here we go yep there it is 2.5 miles yeah 1.8 miles yep that is accurate and crazy so here we go folks I give this um a minus okay well we broke it on the YouTube thing so that's why I'm kind of giving it an Aus yeah I it feels I mean it's a B+ a minus I mean okay the way I'm looking at this is we did two searches you did one for concerts I did one for barbecue both of them gave great results so I'm just basing it on did I get a great result or not kind of did if you were to ask it what's another thing you might ask a search engine how much is a business class ticket from San Francisco to Dubai in November let's see over Thanksgiving there we go perfect weekend love it spelling mistake as well I mean this is it's okay business class to Dubai 17700 5700 is about right yeah um and it's getting this from other airlines yeah was getting it from a blog post and then I guess it might have if you click on oh yeah look at that remember they had that concept of apps and we reviewed it early on yep very early on yeah very early on it looks like instead of adding the apps they're just built in scroll down there's three logos at the bottom sources and the sources have the favon and oh wow you click sources and it gives you the actual page as it pulled it from yeah it's just pretty great it's um Google's in trouble um if you know this gets much better yeah what does this need to do in order to get people to switch from Google well I think kind of you know we've already touched on one part of it right it should be personalized so like it it should already know that I have travel coming up to Dubai and and I have to go there based on my calendar and all those kind of things like the agentic side of it and then really I just wanted to book right there's so much pain that I like you know we've been booking travel for so long but like that last bit we don't really think about it but it ends up taking like 30 minutes Jason right like you know from the minute you decide on the flight to the time you get booked all the way through so imagine you could just say book me that ticket Ethical considerations in personalized AI technology that's what you mean by agent meaning an asent does it so agentic is evocative of an agent is that a new word in the Lexicon or is is that a word that existed before AI agents I I think like people have been using it a long time but it's it's definitely been attached to the AI World in terms of like how we expect these you know to to work for us yeah it's always fascinated when I learn a new word because agentic is not something that I've heard anybody ever say and I guess there is a psychological term person's ability to control their Destiny and actions and a mindset that allows someone to follow orders from an authority figure a gentic person a person who is self-organized proactive self-reflective and self-regulated interesting or it's been co-opted now by the AI industry atic I like it um yes so I'm gonna give this I'm gonna go back I'm gonna give it a B+ I like what you're saying which is it has to do a little bit more now when everybody freaks out oh my God it's the end of Google what I want to remind people is habit and Google can improve and is improving and they're investing a lot in this so even if chat gbt is 6 months or 12 months or 18 months ahead of Google just like when I you know I met this young woman uh bagging groceries while going to school uh bagging groceries at night going to school during the day lots of respect there you know she's not even using chat GPT 40 they're not teaching her in school and they're not forcing her to use it it's going to take a little while right yeah in order to switch from one service to another something has to be in my mind not 20 or 30% better it has to be two or three times as better which is 200 or 300 100% better so to dislodge Airbnb to dislodge door Dash to dislodge Google search to dislodge you know eBay it takes a lot it takes a lot to get people out of a habit that's why Craigslist still exists eBay still exists and thrives PayPal still exists in thrives and Amazon with the worst interface the cluest most disgusting interface in the history of interfaces is still magical and people are still loyal to it so this has to get a lot better let's do one let's do your headphone one that's always a good one AI-powered product recommendations and monetization of AI models um I'm looking for the best headphones for listening for to High Fidelity music money is No Object give me the top five in a table with the price and common reviewer notes yeah common pros and cons perfect I think it's good and rating perfect so this is like a multi step and oh my Lord this is pretty amazing the top five High Fidelity phon for auto follows focal Utopias focal bathies I have the Utopias right here and I have the Bates uh the bate the focal Utopias are 5,000 the B is are 700 you go to headphones.com they're not a sponsor but they uh they're friends mine $5,000 holy cow yeah I mean they have them right here and when you listen to music on these your brain melts and then these are the $700 versions or B focal is um this wow um well it's a great story the the the guy who started headphones.com had a different domain name but he saw me interview Alex from com.com and I talked about the value of a domain name and how to negotiate domain names he negotiated it and then he um as a gift to me years later sent me these headphones wow um and folk was a fan and they they sent her well I usually don't accept free stuff but the guy was likeon said listen if I he said he had no sales because nobody trusted his website when it was like headphones Best headphones. org yeah and when he finally was able to negotiate headphones.com I think he started making tens of millions of dollars so he's like trust me I can afford it um can you had sources perfect yeah in this case it didn't give sources but yeah headphones.com comes up wow there you go so and it's giving all this great you so these are all the sources it used wow so Jason you look at that's why I pulled this one up just as one so I'm going to say B+ you know and you know what I think is a big part of this okay is returning stuff without ads Cru popups cookies a big part of what you're seeing open Ai and chat GPT do here is remove and present information in a prettier way Google results are organized but sometimes cluttered yeah and then when you click on certain websites they're pretty gross right yeah you go to a content website that's not a subscription service and it's like oh my God how many ads how many popups audio all this stuff so you could make a great business by just removing all that look at this the exact same thing in Google yes yes and um it dumped us into their search which you know it's it gives you on the left here it's giving us the shopping experience by default yeah and you know this is not terrible but to my point this looks unorganized this is maybe more powerful for doing searches you know but according to you Jason the results that we had in the this is not the right results right I think these are because it's sponsored the first one and you know CHP doesn't do sponsor it that's yeah go back to the Google one for a second I think what you're seeing in the Google one is the fact that they're making money so these you know focal is not yeah trying to sell them so they're not in this list but if you scroll down and you know we well I got I got to go the wire cutter or I got to go through this Reddit threat you got to go to Reddit threat or to PC Magazine all these other locations you're going no way yeah so you know this is if you summarize all those other pages and those people get no traffic you know now we're back to the IP issue which is I didn't need to click on any of those sources when it represented this information and so yeah but maybe need to be some compensation to P because and it didn't give us the sources here so this is highly unfair what they're doing in my mind no it said this is it it says for the sources ask yes yeah so it didn't put them here by default so I just want to give a note the open AI team I know this is beta but this is profoundly unfair and you're taking all the value away from the people who did these reviews so you got to compensate them somehow to ingest them which is what I think they're doing right uh they've done a bunch of deals now I don't know if they did deals with headphones or PC Magazine or Tom's Hardware but they're going to need to have done that you can ask this guy I ask no I know they haven't there's no way they've gotten down to you know the long tail or the med the fat tail the medium tail they just got the top they've done like deals with new sources but this is unfair when you think about fair use wouldn't you say you know like here here's here's what I don't really fully know I I think if they're not paying the sources then yeah there's a problem because the people that are incented and you know it's crazy because I don't know if you saw this today but do you ever use a site on on Tech you must have it's shut down today yeah a n Tech shut down 27 years it's because you can't well because journalists cost you know 50 to 150k let's say the average journalist makes 75k yeah if they make 75k and they you know there's 50 weeks in the year you've got to make triple their salary double their salary to have a business let's say double their salar is150 you got to make $3,000 a week off of their content you know $3,000 a week at a $50 CPM you know it's a lot of views and so these websites are upside down now um they cannot afford to pay the journalists to do the work and uh this is going to break it even further um when it just gives you here's the top five go go buy them yeah uh and then they're going to you know what's going to happen obviously chat GPT is going to charge people to be the link so independent of where it got the information they could just say anytime focal Utopia comes up and the price of it we'll link to you or they could just say would you like clicks that are related to headphones.com anything that's headphones related we'll just send the traffic to you for a dollar a click for $10 a click it would be an auction and they just start embedding clicks here so Legal challenges in AI and generation of web apps this could be PC Magazine wire cutters and wire cutter and open suing this could be based on their content and it probably is and they'll be able to prove this pretty easy I think and then if open AI puts a revenue model on this like links out in an auction you would have stolen somebody's content and then slapped a link on it yeah so let that sync it this isn't monetized yet outside of the fact that you're paying 20 bucks a month to remove all the ads and have a cleaner experience but in a way they are monetizing it with that subscription so this is going to be when if when this search engine comes out I think you're going to see 10 times as many lawsuits against open AI so they they got to be really there's a reason why they didn't open this to everybody this is lawsuit Central okay there you go folks I give it a B+ it's it's compelling um not I'm not stopping Google for it but it might take a couple of my searches away from Google yeah I I personally think perplexity is still better and perity is upset that founder is upset about chat GPT rug pulling him I noticed yeah well I don't yeah it's like but look that's just the era we're in right now but it will maybe come down to user interface or something like that as well right because maybe you're you're right it'll come down to who can cut the best deal with all the data sources right I mean that that would the way when you frame it that way it's easy to you know I'm more on the technology side you kind of lose touch you're like yeah just go crawl the stuff and put it in there but like you know when you see unon Tech shut down you're like man that that's real people that content is gone now well there's not going to be anything added to it so who does the next that's what I like yeah there the historical stuff will be there but when the next X CPU or whatever comes out We're Not Gonna Get r nobody review it it's over yeah that's and then they're like synthetic data I was like what am I gonna do with synthetic data like yeah doesn't help me you're just going to give me a bunch of madeup BS that doesn't help anybody all right let's do another review okay this is great we got through the chat gbt search we got through Linkedin Google this stuff is really starting to hit the mainstream it is everywhere right now right and so okay all right this is one I actually have on my phone you know my first company was in apps and so this one one hits close to home for me and so this is with Claude and it's kind of building on something we showed before but we're they're they continually do really awesome stuff and so I'm going to basically say uh you know can you make me a bill splitting app and use from my phone and so you know this is a very simplistic example and what you're going to see now is using that same artifact Fe Fe that we talked about before yeah uh I now it made me a real time app so let's just say it's $100 give a weird number like 126 72 and number of people um let's say it was five and split Bill and here we go let's zoom out here so you're making a can you make me a bill splitting web app yep Y and it just says each person should pay you know so there is five of us and each person should pay 23 you know things now what's awesome is you can say actually uh can you add a tip section right um and just you're literally making a web app that somebody would have written over a weekend yeah 20 years ago yeah and look and now anytime you have a problem Jason so what I'm going to challenge you here is and so you know now it's the same thing so say you know our bill was 12 12765 tip in gave you a dialogue to pick from the most common ones so where is it getting this knowledge and information from is there an open source page did somebody make a tutorial how do you think it had this information in its model okay so um I think there's a few things going on I think all of these folks are crawling open- source code repositories sure and then two there are companies like Source graph who uh actually make code available as well right to to these uh folks and so I think they're just kind of building up their strength there's so much open source code out there at this point right that you know the they're putting together all the bits and pieces of making these you know simple applications and functions and features and so um I'm so if it hadn't if it Exploring practical AI applications and Claude AI's app development hadn't you know indexed and and you know ingested into the model all that open source data it found on somebody's GitHub that they had buil this before and it essentially is spitting it back out to us I'm not convinced I think the models are so good now it didn't have to have seen a web tip calculator oh so it knew what a calculator was maybe exactly it knew what a it knows what a concept of a bill splitting app Bill splitting is it knows how what adding tip is it knows how to do the math and so I think these are getting so good now that it it wouldn't have to have seen this before got it so yeah because you know if you're writing code for something you're like how do I make um you know an image gallery where people can upload five images and then put it in a Carell it's like there's a codebase an open source repository for uploading multiple images from your camera roll there's a repository an open source Library whatever SDK to do uh image correction or to present the gallery so you know that's always been a hack for developers is to find those things and adopt them uh but here you're saying it actually understands what this is a calculator is this and this calculator is supposed to do why and it just does it it's pretty impressive when you think about it yeah and so what what I suggest for you Jason just a little little task for you and maybe other the team members like anytime you're doing something now you're like oh I wish I had an app to just do that just try it so you should definitely sign up for Claude and and be in their paying for Claude AI but they have an is their app good their app is excellent because like I said you can do these things and so next time you have kind of like a a weird um make an app make an app right love it great idea I mean I got to give this what what do you give it what's your what's your ranking here this is a for me you know because I was about to say B plus or am yeah like you I'm going to give you an example because I know you're doing this out in the in the new life U that you're like you could make a custom app if you're barbecuing something or if you're like doing a you know let's just say you know you want to task manage yourself and you're going to cut the lawn and you know feed the animals and you know Ranch work make me a ranch management app yeah and and just for that moment just for today just and say like you know each one put a counter and say I'm gonna cut the lawn for 30 minutes I'm gonna feed the animals for 25es and just like C so right like I mean I'm I'm really blown away by this functionality it's pretty crazy is does Claude have the best app development AI you think well what I think they've really brought together incredibly well is is a really powerful model so you got to give them kudos for that but they've brought that like exe like you know it executes it for you right and so not only is it like right because you know all of these have been writing code and we've done plenty of examples like that I think we did a calculator one quite early on but like for it to just run it on your phone as a little web app you know I think that that's well done really well done I mean and they also doing charting really well I noticed that they added charts to a lot of these language models now y they have yep they they've done that really really well I'm gonna give it a B+ out of the game oh a b oh my God Jason I mean it might be higher but I haven't seen it do like a more complicated app so I'm leaving room for improvement I I said B plus a minus maybe I'll give it an A minus I'll give it an A minus you give it a plus or an A I I'm I'm at A+ like I I think this is really cool I think you know I I started tweeting a bunch of these examples out I called this the BYO era like bring your own you know build your own sorry build your own and instead of hunting and pecking through like I hate getting those like a tip calculators and that because they always end up um having ads and all that kind of stuff and now you could do it and you could you could even give it like a weird thing like oh you know split the bill but make it like 2/3 Jason and oneir me because you know that's how we what we decided on yeah incredible awesome all right let's do one more you got one more interesting The era of building your own apps and fast image generation tools one for the fans let's do one more for the fans one more for the fans yeah I do I do I actually got a couple I got I'll do two more I got a short grock one that I want to show you as well I think you'll get a kick out of yeah okay let's do playground this one this one's really really cool man and all this inference is getting really fast huh all this inference is getting much faster yes yeah so this idea of like waiting and waiting I mean for images you're still waiting weight but for text it's pretty quick now yeah all right so basically uh so you know he was a um the previous multiple successful founder he' built like one of the um Google analytics equivalence mix p right is what the company he built before this and so he's been working on this it's really cool um let me pull it up here and basically it's image generation but it's tied to um you know he's kind of like formatted it in a way cuz like a lot of these places just too loose and so it's like oh are you trying to do a social media post a mockup a t-shirt what are you trying to do here right and so you you can go in here and basically what's awesome is there's a bunch of pre-built stuff which is good to start with right but you can you can basically take something you can say I can take this one right here and I can say you know what change this I say you know make this in a you know Hue of blue right and um and basically um you know it'll go off and it'll do it pretty quickly and then it kind of takes you through the workflow to like create the thing that you want which is I think is really really awesome yeah so this is for making Graphics Graphics but you know I I like I like the way that they've um you know and so you can see you apply this style yeah exactly and then you know you're just Off to the Races right and you say I have this I export it and you know you're good to go and so they've done a really good job I'm really really you know kind of playground.com yeah yeah playground.com I mean good job um yeah and this is to create logos Comparison of Playground and Canva, impact on graphic design images Des yeah and you can start from a design and canva it is but with generative AI at the core and you know and a bunch of like things to kind of inspire you to get started right which I I think is is really cool yeah you can make t-shirts anything yeah it's pretty great yeah yeah and it's got a bunch of templates and you can just start with one of their templates and then work from there wow yeah pretty impressive I have to say and you can do memes all that kind of good stuff wow yeah amazing I love the memes the memes have got great potential because what's interesting about the memes is they're taking famous memes yes and then allowing you to yeah mess with them yeah yeah so they have that famous meme of like the superhero with the two buttons but it doesn't look like the original it's pretty clear that yeah this one has been been through set up through Ai and so yeah wow pretty pretty impressive stuff I'm gonna give that a B+ as well yeah I'm kind of the same place as you I think it's early and you know just the workflows are there but good start and I would use it and um you know really happy sorry to graphic designers but you know I think when you started Outsourcing graphic design around the world and it just plummeted in price you know it was a bummer for designers but people started to design more things there were more logos designed in the world there were more t-shirts designed you know and this long tail of stuff so you had this sort of abundance and I think what's going to happen here is like all of this like commodified design is going to make Elite design even more valuable so if people start making a ton of schlocky AI design or you know Randomness um then somebody who truly has an aesthetic I think is going to stand out but it's going to be harder to stand out so like what is Elite design is going to become an even smaller percentage of design because it's going to be such a sea of garbage it's kind of like on spottify like there's so much bad music that people are going back to old music looking for musicians who actually have talent so you can hear something that doesn't sound like it's all digitally produced from samples yeah amazing okay you got one last one you wanted to do one yeah one last one yeah let's do it okay so and this is just kind of like proof of concept of where Grok's itinerary creation and the future of user interfaces you know I think uh this is going to go really really quickly and we'll have fun with this one I thinking I'm going to Austin this weekend can you come up with a quick itinerary that touches on um some good food places and some key uh visit sites I should visit and so you see it kind of does that you say amazing yeah actually can you put that in a table my god look how fast this is this is using grock obviously yeah can you add a yeah yeah can you add a column for duration amazing you know what I changed my mind can you change this to Houston and so um you know why I wanted to kind of kind of show this Jason is like when we when we're thinking and look like you're doing this in in you know kind of launch right um in the accelerator this is probably where we're heading right where the speed of iteration and the ability to change it and and interact with it is this is even faster than search now right yeah this is like Minority Report when he was or in Blade Runner where they're like zoom in zoom out do this do that and like this is 750 tokens a second yeah speed and that's not even our fastest we can go faster than that by the way this is such a game Cher because it changes the whole nature of inquiring about information when it moves this quickly yeah and you know if you think about this with the glasses that are coming uh you know I know if you have the rayb bands from meta I really recommend you get them they're super useful um they kind of have that bone induction audio and they can look at whatever you're looking at so you can ask questions I really think the user interfaces are going to really go more towards voice and vision in these type of ways and we'll sort of look back and we'll be like those old folks that weren't using surge like oh we were we were in some console typing things out but imagine being able to iterate like this so that was you know one of the things that the team has worked on we've added voice and a bunch of other things so that that was pretty exciting uh that's an A+ for me man uh seeing that level of speed Stu yeah no I you can give it a grade I'm giving an A plus because this moves so quickly I could see this you know as it applies to making images video you start thinking about all the demos we saw today how much more powerful they would be yep and if I you know my wife and I have been using the chat gp4 interface we drove to Houston um to go uh do a couple tasks and while we were doing it we were asking questions about different how things and it was reading it back to us but it still was a little CB radio right it wasn't Snappy enough kind of like GPS used to be or photography used to be when it wasn't Snappy you just didn't use it you only used it if you had to but when GPS became crisp and Closing remarks and acknowledgments fast and like it was accurate like you can't not use it you have to use it all the time so I think this is like of all the demos that last one is the one that's got me thinking okay um this is going to get a little bit crazy uh all right this has been another amazing episode of this weekend startups you can follow Sunny uh he is at x.com Sundeep I am x.com Jason we're on LinkedIn you can send your AI to introduce us and uh everybody go to console. rock.com and if you're a developer go start playing in the playground we'll see you all next time bye-bye