The Lou Holtz Podcast with Tim Brown Episode | S1E6

and he walks away after winning his 100th game as the head coach here at Notre day the reason I was born with the silver spoon in my mouth I was born in this country it isn't what you have it's what you're taught about the values of life we trying to save Souls so there's a ro life that said you're either growing or you're D and like an old friend once said We As Americans need to start winning again everyone should ask this question am I willing to ignore the pain and the suffering and the sacrifice it takes to be a [Applause] champion welcome to the L Holtz podcast we're really blessed to have so many great athletes great people great success story none more so than the individual we have today Tim Brown it's going to take me a while to read his resume but is impressive he proved to be everything that the Los Angeles Raiders had hoped for when they selected him in the first round coming out of Notre Dame he had won the Heisman Trophy in his first year he managed to haul in 43 receptions scored five touchdowns as a rookie but it was as a putt returner and kick returner that he really made his Mark he suffered a season injury uh the following year but then he combined to make 103 catches over the next three seasons however in 1993 he had a breakout years he registered 80 catches for 1180 yards seven touchdowns he also followed at the backto back 89 Catch season and recorded 90 receptions all while he continued to be a productive pun returner starting in 1993 Tim Brown recorded nine straight 1,000 yard season 10 consecutive years with 75 more catches his best seon came in 1997 a year which he became the reader's alltime leading receiver and I might remind you that Jerry wri was also part of that team he was named First Team all AFC six times once as a kick returner once as a PR returner and four times as a wide receiver he was named of the NFL's all decade team of the 1990s he retired after one fight season with Tampa Bay and was selected into the Hall of Fame now I want to tell you I happened to coach Tim Brown and I got to tell you never once has there been a negative story or anything negative about Tim Brown has come to my attention about the way he treated his teammates the way he treated other people he just a class individual we're flattered honor to have Tim Brown with us Tim welcome thank you coach appreciate you so much well Tim you know I gotta show this I broke that finger in four places trying to teach you how to catch puns and I had never caught him before with uh Bak or on bif focals and I broke in four places I saw I saw some old article you told a story apparently uh Lou Holtz wasn't that good at punt returning yeah I mean that's one of those hilarious stories man I was having a bad day catching punts and he was very frustrated because he he was trying to do a punt return right in the middle of practice and you know and I was holding up practice so so he got mad I dropped two and he got mad and he talking and cursing and talking and cursing let me get back here and show you how to and I was standing you know five 10 five yards away from him and you hear clo clear's day that his finger break just tried to catch the bar like pop you just so uh we tried not to laugh but once they got him off the field I I can't tell you that we didn't laugh that's for sure but you has done so many things in such a Class Act and we're very proud of you now with over 1,000 receptions 15,000 receiving yards over 100 touchdowns you truly deserve the Hall of Fame but Tim what are the problems you had in achieving all this cuz then nothing comes easy tell us about your family about your background how you ended up being where you are yeah you know I I I think my um my my path to to where I am it's a little unusual because uh even though my dad was a big football guy um he did not push me to play football I mean he did not take me to I didn't play Pop Warner football you know uh he wasn't checking up to see how I was doing you know on the football field um you know my mom could care less you know she was uh she's a missionary in the church still and during those days you know growing up I mean she thought that Sports was the devil's workshop right well in the first place uh I knew it was a dangerous game I didn't know anything about uh football you know per cuz I didn't watch it but uh I knew it was a game dangerous game from what I had the little I had seen on TV and also at that time I just believe that um it was worldly and I just didn't want him involved you know in it but he would go to his daddy he signed the papers behind my back for him to play yes and you know so she she she didn't want me a part of Sports at all for the most part so you know I and all they all they preached to me coach was education you know you you got to get a great education and you know of course when you're 13 14 you you know you're thinking about going to the junior college and then you know maybe you know you can go to you know a little four-year College around here after two years uh but certainly we never thought about you know Notre Dame or anything of that nature so when that opportunity came around my big brother was one of these Subway alumni guys right he knew everything about the University of Notre Dame I knew nothing I didn't know what state it was in I knew nothing about it you know so Notre Dame uh wrote me a letter and he just happened to come over to the house he's eight years older he s a letter and he told my parents hey if they want him he needs to go there uh because if he goes there his life would be great and all this kind of stuff so and I'm in the background cuz I at this point I had looked up where Notre Dame was and realized that it was 1,200 miles away from from Dallas and I was like bro no you know we got to find a college around here I can go to so uh so that was really the beginning of everything coach you know I I think you know when you got to know the name I remember Frank BRS um who was the uh athletic director at Arkansas um came into my office one time and he says I he said I hear rumors that you're going to be looking for a coach and I said uh well those are the rumors you know I wouldn't confirm or deny either one of them but he said you know the guy you ought to look at is Lou Holtz he's you know he's our football coach but I know that uh he loves Notre Dame and um he said maybe he would be a good person to look at and ultimately we did look at him and we finally got him but I thought it was strange that uh a director would come up and and recommend his own coach I introduced to you Lou Holtz the new football coach at the University of Notre Dame thank you thank you you and I I don't know if you remember the conversation but I'll never forget it and when you brought me in and you were telling me about all these things I was doing and you ask me why why W the coaching staff before playing me and I was telling you well I don't know I mean they just didn't play me uh but you know but I finally told you well I came here to get an education I was going to go back home marry my high school sweetheart be a be a deacon in the church you know that was my plan but um uh the the presence of you in my life really changed that for sure well Tim anybody could look at you and say boy he's really a special athlete Raiders chances hinge on what happens on this pass play throw to the end zone Tim Brown catches the ball his first touchdown reception of the day RA are one extra point [Applause] away but when we talked to you it was all about education I wonder about playing in the NFL you came in there Tim with so many great athletes you know we had wonderful people mil Jackson uh Alvin Miller uh Reggie Ward uh Mark green the list goes on and on what changed it where you gain the confidence that hey I can be great yeah you know look coach um and I know you say this is about me but this is really about you because uh well let me just say this coach um you know my High School coaches you know we we came I came from a program that won four games in in three years you know we were 425 and one my three years on Varsity uh so I mean it was a it was a way for those guys to make a little extra cash and they weren't you know and I I get it we we were in a a situation in a neighborhood that football was not going to be the number one sport so um but when I got to the University of Notre Dame there were a lot of stuff going on with Coach F unfortunately you know and and you know I fumbled the very first time I I touched the ball you know my freshman I fumbled that and I think after that they said hey this kid is talented but he's not ready obviously I'll never forget the first time I ever touched the ball you know it's uh uh a play that really put me on the map but not for the reason I would want to be on a map but uh you know you know in high school I never played in front of more than two 300 people and all of a sudden you playing in front of 78,000 uh at the RCA Dome I think it was at the time uh it just makes it very difficult to control your nerves and uh and I I couldn't do it and when I you know they kicked open the kick off to me and I fumble it and that's how I start my career to not the Dame so all the seniors were telling me well you you you must going to be a great player here cuz cuz otherwise we're going to run you up out of here so so it was uh it was a tough week for me that week but uh it was good to be able to get back on the field and make some plays so I played a little bit I was playing spot play you know and I was happy I returned one punt for one kickoff or touchdown I think my sophomore year Tim Brown will return this one from the 27 Brown look at it look at it what a magnificent Runner Brown is going to take it all way for a touchdown no Flags in so I was you know relatively happy I just thought this is the way Big Time college football went you know so uh I didn't know any better and and really it it was you know after a couple weeks of practice with you that you said to me look son you can have that education but you can have both and I had never thought about having both before and and with that I just said look let me do whatever this guy says you know what I mean yeah you know he's a new guy here you know he's saying all these great things I'm just to do whatever he says and see what happens and uh and that's what that was my attitude like whatever you asked him to do I was going to do and um and we were going we were going to see what what came of it round at the 30 yd line cut to the right looking for a block tries to cut to the outside cuts inside 25 he got the 40 he at the 45 50 on the sideline at the 40 he at the 30 one man to be 20 50 10 five T Iris Timmy Brown 70 y twice High spiral drifting backg round round to the 34 to the 35 Cuts up field get to the 40 45 he h the 50 down to the 40 35 30 one man to beat down the 20 15 10 T out again Timmy Brown well you're not only a great player Tim you were great teammate I mean you encourage your teammates unbelievable but I got to tell you the fumble kickoff you had in the I think it was in the hooer dome down there against Purdue which caused Notre Dame end up lose that got me to Notre Dame because we play Purdue the next week and they're still celebrating the Notre Dame we had them 42 to 7 at halftime and that that sort of opened up no day's eyes but what what a tremendous career you've had now you've been very open about your faith being a man of God how' your faith guided you in sports and then transition into the NFL CU that's not easy yeah no it's not at all coach you know and again uh like I mentioned earlier my mom uh is one of the more faithful people I've ever met in my life you know she is um you know whatever she has believed in from day one of me understanding all this Fai stuff she has walked it you know so I've never had an excuse you know my dad may have been this kind of person but my mom on the other hand was was a saint or is a saint you know what I mean and um you know so I've always had that that perfect example and when I say perfect you know what I mean uh a really really good example um you know so for me I never wanted to be a guy who was in and out of Faith you know and we we may look at Faith a little differently sometimes you know because you know and and in the way I was brought up you know when you going to live this thing you got to live this thing and you can't be in and out and out and in and uh so it took me really you know several years to get to where I I needed to get to where I wanted to get to you know when you when you you leave Notre Dame with a Heisman trophy under your arm and you know a pocket full of money and la and you go into La your life changes in in many different ways you know in some ways that you never you never dreamt of but um so I think that sort of knocked me off off course a little bit uh but you know look I was always reminded you know of you know my pastor God God bless him he's 88 years old now and um you know he's still hanging in there but you know he always encouraged me that God was doing all this not so I could be some great football player but so I can turn all this around and give it back to him and some kind of way and and I I think you know when you have you know a man like yourself from a coaching standpoint in your life and you have a pastor who is not trying to be your buddy not trying to ask ask you when he can come out to a football game but literally trying to to to still teach you and and lead you um you know that just made made for the perfect storm for me to be able to uh continue my faith in the right way so uh you know I tell I told my wife when I first met her if you see anything wrong you better run because if you if you see it then that means I've been doing it for a long time you know but uh but you know faith is is is my life uh my greatest Mentor probably is u a combination of three people um you know my pastor has been extremely from a spiritual point of view inspirational to me because you know in a time of you know where you know you see a big- Time athlete or whatever gu who's W the Heisman Trophy and all this kind of stuff you may have a tendency to want to treat him a little differently than you're treating treating your other members and he's never done that he's always told me was you know when I was right and when I was wrong and um didn't like it sometimes but he always told me when I was wrong and I think that made me a better man definit made me about a spiritual man for sure my mom and I talk all the time and you know we we always come back to the question of how do people live in this life without faith because you know I I just don't know where I would be uh without my Lord and Savior I I could agree with you more and the problem is Tim when you go to the Los Angeles race ERS you have all that money people want to pick you as friends and those aren't usually the right type of people but you make good choice along that life you mentioned your wife now what if there's one thing that we find commonality between successful people such as yourself if somebody was strong in their family in your case your mother and your father and then your preacher that is just it just it's the exact thing of what we're trying to build is getting people to be the leaders I was told many times that no matter what I achieved in this world if I wasn't successful as a husband and a father I really failed now tell us about your personal life and what happened do you another name where did you meet your wife tell us about your family yeah you know um my wife I met my wife in a very interesting way uh God restes so Chester mlon my one of my uh teammates at uh with the Raiders uh came into the locker room one morning coach and said um hey I met your wife last night and I was like oh that's a very interesting story you know I mean I was like uh do tell you know what I mean you know I'm ready to hear this story and he told me how beautiful she was she was in she lived in the same apartment apartment complex uh on Friday night they got together and they did all this cooking and she did the majority of the cooking she was a great cook you know she's a Christian girl and I'm like Chester why are you giving her to to me he was like oh she's super too good for me you right so but you know I didn't I didn't really trust my boy Chester you know Chester you know was 6'4 65 you know 350 lbs and uh you know he lived a he lived a a hard life you know what I mean uh but um but that went on you know I kept asking him about her and you know tell me the whole story CH and he kept saying Timmy there's no story you know this is the girl I a Chesser why are you lying to your boy I know you you know what I mean just tell me the whole story so that little scenario coach went on for a year and a half I never met her uh for a year and a half at his wedding I met her at his wedding he had us sitting together at the table and and we just clicked I mean it was like there was nobody else in the room and for two and a half three hours we sat there and talked I was leaving early to come back home so I went to um uh Chester uh and told him hey man I got to leave I said said dude this girl Sharice man and he grabbed me by my collar coach he was like boy that's a girl I've been trying to get you with for a year and a half and so uh so look I mean hey I it it it was I I could have married her in two weeks coach if I had two weeks I probably would have tried to I mean that's how that's how much we click we got engaged in six months and we were married within the year and that was only because I met her in July and it was time for football to start otherwise I probably would have married her quicker than that but you know we've been married 27 years now um you know and look she we renewed our vows last year uh a couple years ago for our 25th and you know and I told her I said look you had a choice to make when we got married you could have came in and said I'm going to change all this stuff I'm going to do all this but instead you know you chose to work with me I was 30 years old coach you know I was very settled in my ways and um and and certainly if somebody would have came in and tried to change my routine during the football season that could have been problematic you know and you mentioned that my best year in the NFL was 97 that's just happened to be the year I got married so uh and I think she has a lot to do with that burns the veteran Jerry gray to Tim Brown emerging the last few weeks as we told John R third quarter Jay Sher has plenty of time Tim Brown makes the move past Wyman Henderson it's a touchdown and the Raiders Tim Brown you know what he does he wakes up the echo on this punt return no one's going to catch him 75 y the silver or black way ahead bar right here goes right at that injured knee Raiders lead three nothing in the first quarter Jay shider to Timmy Brown steps past one man and Kelo isn't going to bring him down 78 yd touchdown Raiders and and how many children do you have Tim we have four kids four kids tell us very briefly about each of them yeah our oldest Taylor is a um uh he works at Children's Hospital here in Dallas oh so he's he's doing great um so my 20 uh uh the 25 year old she she is um Co she was she was the first person we knew to have Co and she had it for 10 weeks and um and it was her senior year in college and um and they shut down the the school and so her roommate left so she ended up being by herself for 10 weeks cuz at that time we knew nothing about it all the all we knew is we couldn't go see her uh so she she she suffered a little bit from that but um uh but she's doing great now you know uh you know she has a couple little things that we're dealing with but but um so she's very smart girl she's done a little work with Amazon and uh places like that but you know we um still trying to get her in that in that trying to get a lunch coach trying to get a lunch but yeah we we we're going to be fine my youngest my youngest are twins uh they're 21 years jet turned 21 a couple weeks ago um so they uh one is in La at LMU and the other one my son Timmy junr is at Holy Cross at Notre Dame coach oh that's great well you know what's really amazing T is that your family kept their marriage together and you've done it for 27 years because they showed you exactly how to do it Tim you've had a couple moments you described as uh uh won't he do it when all hope seemed lost you knew God would pull you through tell us about when you first went the NFL I I know you had great success fresh off his Heisman Trophy winning college career Tim Brown was drafted by the Los Angeles Raiders with the sixth overall pick in the 1988 draft taking the field at the LA Coliseum for the very first play of his NFL career he faced the weight of expectations and one overriding sensation I was scared out of my out of my mind I have to tell you that and uh only thing I kept telling myself is look you know once you get the ball in your hands things happen naturally but you got to get the ball of your heads so make sure you catch the ball here's the kickoff now that is received by Tim Brown on the three out to the 10 the 15 accelerate 20 I remember that play like it was yesterday man I made one cut and then I was up the sideline he's pass the kicker at the 50 he's on the way I'm looking around cuz I was like I heard these guys were fast so I know somebody's coming to get me so I'm looking around trying to figure out who's coming to get me and by the time I get to the 10 I realize nobody's there and I'm starting to celebrate already BR touchdown Raiders 90 yard holy Toledo dur the Hall of Fame it goes on and on however there's always times where you have doubts things don't go well tell me about when you first went in the NFL the question you had yeah you know look um you know my rookie year goes goes extremely well and um you know I wasn't expecting to play that much of a receiver because we had James ofon Willie G mvin Fernandez all those guys but you know one after another everybody start to get hurt I end up leading the team in receptions that year so I go to training camp the next year you know I'm the man you know I'm going to be the the pun return and kick returner and I'm going to be the number one receiver and the opening game of the year I tear my knee up um and after that everything changed from the Raiders point of view of how they saw me as a player and uh Al Davis came up to me and told me that I was going to be the best pump returner third down receiver to ever play the game but I would never see first and second down and you know coming off my surgery it didn't you know whatever but after 1990 91 I was feeling a lot better and I was like hey you know and it it wasn't happening it wasn't happening and I believe at that time I I reached out to you it's was like man what do I do you know what what do I do in a situation like this you know and now we may be in 92 at this point and I was still playing behind mvin Fernandez mvin gets hurt halfway through the season and um I end up you know with 50 catches or whatever uh for the rest of the year and you know end up leading the team of receptions that year and after that you know um I finally was able to get Mr Davis to allow me to play on on first and second downs and things sort of went great but I mean your advice to me to go to him and say look hey I can help you win win baby win that's what you that's what you're all about you called me talked about it I said go ahead and say Mr Davis say your motto is Win baby win I can help you win why won't you let me help you win it's about the third week of the Season I'm in my office Tim Brown calls me and he said coach he said they they're not give me a chance he said I don't know why they drafted me he said Al Davis doesn't like me Tim here's what you do you go in you get an appointment with Mr Davis you sit down say Mr Davis I know you want to win win baby win I can help you win why won't you let me help you win and you certainly did that now a big aspect of your life T has always been reaching out to kids whether you were chairman of athletes and Entertainer for kids of your heart for single family house like tell us how your father made such an impact on you and how you've given back so much to other people as I said in your entire life I've never heard a negative comment or a scandal about you and the way you've treated anybody and that's unusual for somebody's gained so much notoriety as you have well I I appreciate that you know I I sort of had a a model coach you know U of you know my mom I can I don't know if it's a model or whatever whatever you want to call it but um my mom you know in my opinion is such a saint that I never wanted you know heard to come out of church when day and some reporters there like we hurt your son did you know so I mean literally you know I didn't do certain things you know not that they were possible trouble but even if it could could have been a possibility I just said I'm not going to you know I'm not going to be a part of it because you know I didn't want my family especially my mom my dad would have been able to handle it but my mom would not have been but you know look you know watching Mom and Dad you know they were married for 52 years before he passed away um you know the only man that she's ever ever known I mean she had her first baby at 14 years old so um you know so I think you know to see them matriculate through through marriage for over 50 years together almost 60 years uh was really an amazing thing for us so uh but look I mean my dad was a very tough man he was a strict man you know and uh he was one of those guys that that when he said something that was it that was it was for discussion yeah you tried not to breathe when he when he said something because if you did uh you wouldn't go like the consequences but you know I mean we had a you know um you know he he was he well I have to tell this story because if I don't tell this story you know he told me before he passed you know I I have to tell the story so I'm going to tell the story uh we had an incident at 13 when I was 13 he came in a little intoxicated one night and um and scared me to death right and to the point where I said you know to myself if alcohol would make you want to act like that I'm never going to touch alcohol and it's because of that night I really have I have never touched alcohol in my life and um so that caused a little issue with the family with with with me and him for almost 10 12 years years you know and uh and finally you know we kissed the made up or whatever you want to say and you know for the last 20 some years of his life you know we had an incredible relationship but you know that night changed my life in a many ways and you know even recently I I had one of these body scans and all that stuff done and the lady told me that if I was an alcohol Drinker that I would probably be dead on my way to being dead because my body chemical makeup cannot handle alcohol so that that had me crying thinking about my dad you know all that you know but you know but you know so it's really amazing with some of the things that happened in life and and why they happened but um you know but uh you know having a father uh who was so n No Nonsense um you know was was you know people ask well Tim how did you get a how did how in the world can you play 15 years without missing a practice and you know I did miss a game I had a little sore hamstring they they decided game time not to play me uh but you know you never miss a practice and how do how do you do that I said well I watch my father never miss a day of work you know I I can't never remember him taking off a day of work you know he was out to do at 5:30 every morning you know so I think from that standpoint when you have that kind of of of of you have somebody you know showing you what to do you know to me he he always told me look if you can get out of bed you can go to work and you know that's that was my motto if I can get out of bed I can go to work well you know what's really amazing Tim is your story is so successful because of other people your mother your father provided great leadership and you're doing the same thing with your family when was the time that they came to acknowledge that you were really a great football player because I know initially they didn't think it was all about education I remember talking to you just all about educ case that's all you talked about and I asked you I said do you have a drug problem I I didn't know what was keeping you if you're had a great football player but I when did they come to the realization that you were really special I mean he played with all these crazy quarterbacks that people don't even remember and he still put up numbers year after year after year and I think that's what makes Tim Brown so impressive now throws on for brown he made a tremendous catch he's the one who did it no matter how bad the quarterback was in 1987 Notre Dames Tim Brown became the first wide receiver to win the Heisman he's got it he's in Brown's dominance as a college wide receiver translated to the pros as he became one of the most prolific receivers in NFL history yeah coach you're right when I got ready to leave to go to college I say hey boy there's no future in football for you you go up there and get that education then come on back uh uh look I I think I think my dad had really you know the Heisman sort of opened the open his eyes you know and I think he sort of you know looked at me as being a little different than than just a kid you know playing playing football at that at that point uh but my mom you know coach every year every year God bless her every year after after I finish the year Well you won the Hyman trophy you can retire now you know you showed everybody that you can play and that happened every year of my career you know after the season well you've done this well you did that were you are you going to retire now I mean so for 17 18 19 years I I I I got that from her but um now look I I think that um you know for me you know once they they realized that you know when I got hurt after my second year everybody said okay well okay it's over you know he he he had a good rookie year in the league but now it's over and U but then when 93 came around and I made the pro Boy again well I made the pro boy as a as a p returner before that but uh but when I made it as a receiver I think everybody eyes sort of uh open up as if to the fact that you know look U I think this kid may be a little special well I got to brag on you Tim because they great football players you're certainly one of them but you were a better teammate and what really amazed me you were a great football player I mean best in the country you're going to win the Heisman award and yet you treated your teammates with nothing but the greatest respect and you didn't have the greatest amount of talent I remember when we put you back here the run back puns and kick us and you looked at my son you looked at Gallow you looked at Peter Graham he like holy smok but you treat him with such respect and dignity and I can never repay enough for that now if we wind this thing up to him one thing that football fans around the country excited to see is Inaugural season the new arena league would you serve as commissioner as a commissioner I can promise you you'll never have to go through that again right go through it once you'll never have to go through it again uh it is my pleasure and my honor to officially announce that waterl will be one of the four teams we uh we super excited tell us a little bit about it what your plans are and how's it going yeah uh you know so I was a a part owner of a Arena Football team here in um uh in Frisco for for some years and the same group that uh owned that team with me uh decided to start another League a new league up so uh so we've been working on this for about year and a half and we plan to start in June of this year uh so uh we have we're starting with four teams this year and then uh we've already expanded we got two teams for next year and we'll hope to get it up to uh 12 to 16 teams over the next few years uh I am um the commissioner of the league we just had all of our meetings here in Dallas uh early this week um so everybody's super excited I mean they're having tryouts already and um you know I mean fortunately unfortunately coach you know you always have these young kids who have dreams of of trying to get it done or just trying to get it all out of them and um and so we that's what we're hoping to do is is give some young kids uh the dream of one more time being on the football field uh to see what they can get done what they can get accomplished so uh but it should be a very fun League very fan interactive you know fans will be able to listen to the coaches calling plays and and talking to the players you know through a app that we're going to have for everybody in the stands um so it's really really going to be a fun time and uh we're looking forward to it this summer well we look forward to it also ttim but as we close what message would you want to give all the people who are listening who have hopes and dreams of playing the NFL or just watching football what advice would you give them H boy I tell you you know um I would have to say you know looking at the way things went for me um if you just keep working hard you you never know what what what would happen you know and I I think for me um you know at woodro at high school I could have just said hey man I'm I'm going to go do track because I I could have certainly gotten a track scholarship probably you know I'm not going to be wasting my time you know out here at football but I decided to to hang in there and to work hard uh at trying to be the best football player I could be for woodro Wilson High School uh when I got to know the Dame things were a lot different because you had so many great athletes guys who were so highly recruited and all that stuff so you sort of like stepped back and said hey you know I'm just going to work and keep you know working and see what happens here uh but you know you I was very fortunate to have someone like you I know you always say well anybody well it wasn't anybody it was you and uh so you're the one that did it but yeah but but you know for for you to to be able to see it cuz no one else had ever told me some of the things that you told me Tim Brown with another name when I got there and one of the first things you do you look at the background of the athletes that are on your team and I surprised that Tim Brown out of Dallas played on a little high school that won two games and lost eight he did not receive very many honors you have no chance to succeed if you don't believe in yourself when I walked off that first practice at Notre Dame the newspaper man said well what do you think I said well I I think Tim Brown is a marvelous athlete I very impressed with his athletic skills and Tim Brown came in my office a day or two later and he said uh did you really mean that and I said absolutely once he found out how good he could be he became motivated to become the best in the college game [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Sons to Victory to victory for you know but it just changed my whole outlook on on the game and now it's all about just work hard I used to when I was in NFL my practice shoes I put work on one uh on one foot and hard on other foot so every time I look down I saw work hard you know and that's the only thing that I can do to encourage anybody whatever it is that you're doing if you keep working hard you know something good some of it well it's a prime example Tim of what we're trying to build in this country is a good family foundation and also people that encourage others such as your minister encourage you if we could get more people to really care about the family and what they're trying to do and I I got to tell you I'm associated with Tim Brown Heisman award everything else however let's give Jerry F an awful lot of credit for recruiting you Jerry F is a class individual and Notre Day made a mistake by not putting him in the alumni office cuz nobody loved Notre day more than him and there wasn't a better person than Jerry F that I've known no doubt yeah we we said the same thing coaches you know I mean he CU he was still coming back for games for a long time you know we didn't you know this guy should have a statute for loving Notre Dame the way he loved not Dave you know you're right there absolutely it's it's amazing how much he loved the university things didn't work out for him but um you know um but you know when he came to our house I never we forget you know he was hugging and kissing on my mom my dad was looking at like hey man what you doing but uh he he was such a great great uh is such a great guy that uh you know I just hope and pray that Notre Dame finds a way to still honor him in some way I I'm with you and let's work on that ttim thank you for being on this show and the story you have is just what we're trying to get across in the country let's have a good family let's take care of one another let's encourage it so I look forward to seeing you on the golf course not many people know what a good golfer you are I look forward to having you at Augusta we're going to play Augusta spend the night play the next day and go home so I look forward to it but thank you for honoring this T thank you coach appreciate you absolutely and he walks away after winning his 100th game as the head coach here here at another day the reason I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth I was born in this country it isn't what you have is what you're taught about the values of life we trying to save Souls say there's a real life at that you're either growing or you're dying and like an old friend once said We As Americans need to start winning again everyone should ask this question am I willing to ignore the pain and the suffering and the sacrifice that T to be a champion