We Fact Checked the Abortion Debate Because the Moderators Wouldn't

both candidates were asked and spoke at length about abortion um and so I want to throw it to you because I know you had some concerns about the way the issue not not only their answers but the way the issue was characterized the abortion issue came up very quickly and I I think what really needs to be said right up front is again the misinformation that was communicated needs to be corrected and I think pro-lifers need to be really really clear about this uh and part of that is is because when there were things that were said by President Trump that were immediately fact checked in which what he said actually was either uh true or not false in the way that the fact Checkers which by the way they were moderators they weren't supposed to be fact Checkers but they did that to him and then um things that the candidate Harris said that just flat out weren't true uh and were not fact checked for example that women going through Mis cares couldn't get Healthcare uh that is not what Ro the overturning of Ro V way did that is not what the state laws that were triggered or put into place after row have done uh that is just not the case basically refusing to answer whether she were was willing um to limit abortion um against late limit late term abortions and she basically said there wasn't seventh eth and ninth month abortions in um under under row which Flatout isn't true and it still is here I know this because it's Colorado I had a conversation this week with someone whose husband is a ER Doc and has had two patients in the last year come in and ask for nine abortions in the ninth month unwilling obviously to provide that the hospital sends this these two women across the street uh in this particular town in Colorado where have just set up a late term abortion clinic with a famous late term abortionist running the running the show the uh when President Trump said that there were babies being slaughtered after birth that's not exactly correct but the denial by the um um the the moderator to say that there's no late ter afterbirth abortions happening in the US uh Vice Presidential nominee Tim Waltz signed a bill in Minnesota denying care to babies born alive and it's been documented uh at least eight cases of babies born alive five of them received no care whatsoever three received Comfort Care this according to uh the live action reports on this all eight of them died that is late term abortion when he quoted Governor Northam of Virginia he called it West Virginia that's where he should have been fact checked it was Virginia um this was the previous governor of Virginia uh basically saying that's what we want here we want with a baby is born alive after a botched abortion we set the baby aside and then decide what we're going to do with it I mean that's the language of what I mean what do you call it after birth of I mean that's an accurate term for it although it's even then it's a euphemism for essentially withholding care from a living breathing human being outside of the womb um so all of these things were repeated president uh Trump was asked about IVF he called it fer three times it was a weird thing he's like I'm for fertility I'm for fertility I don't know what he meant by that uh because not all fertility treatments are the same um vice presidential candidate Tim Waltz claims that his fertility treatment with his family was IVF it wasn't it was fertility treatment that no prolifer has any qualms or hesitations about whatsoever process of stimulating the ovaries to produce eggs as I understand it and doesn't involve the creation of excess embryos IVF as currently practiced and president Trump now has said that he will have a you know taxpayer funded um you know look that is the same kind of HHS mandate that was sued under the Obama Administration I imagine we'll be sued if if the president if president Trump is elected again and he tries to do that because this is not fertility IVF is actually leading to the death of more uh whole human beings at a early stage of development called embryo than abortion uh than what we call abortion does and as as has been and as is currently practiced so it's an unregulated industry and it's not accurate to call it fertility so the factchecking that should have happened around the abortion issue didn't happen uh and there's no other way forward than to kind of uh you know articulate that this is what was claimed it ain't true this is what the truth is around this the these issues and these claims and I think I covered them all but I may have missed some others I'm going to pretend to be an alien just dropped into the discourse and ask why are we as a country so obsessed with this issue when it's when like de demographically it's a relatively smallish segment of the population that is a woman of childbearing age right yeah why does this dominate so many of our political conversations yeah because we are late late stream or Downstream uh in in kind of the late age of the sexual revolution in which our technology has enabled our ideas and the fundamental idea of sexual autonomy and we will do all kinds of flip-flops on sexuality that we won't do on any other issue case in point uh Christen d a professor at a Christian college in the United States this week um and justifying abortion was doing these kind of parment around when in embryo is insold is what you know insold NS o u l in other words we don't know when the soul enters the body so even if she's right which by the way the Bible draws no distinction between the body and the soul in that way uh that is a gnostic position historically understood these conversations certainly were being had before uh you know philosophically before we had any sort of understanding of of fertilization and and uh EMB you know of course that's the group that says follow the science follow the science well let's follow the science the science of embryology says when conception happens a new human being is is is created so to draw a distinction between a human being and a human being that doesn't have a soul yet shouldn't we ER at the very best in in caution uh and based on that same Arrangement uh should we then fiddle around with when people lose a certain degree of memory a certain degree of capacity or something like that because of a a disease or old age then we should you know off them in order to quote unquote be compassionate that that's what needs to be recognized here this this isn't secular voices like kamla Harris and others that are just saying this you have quote unquote Evangelical voices that are doing flip-flops to justify this using theoretical theology uh that is completely ignoring uh the science which they're telling us to to follow and yes I'll say the Evangelical history of this in the 20th century was mixed and some of it was wrong uh some of the great Christian thinkers got this wrong and thank God for Frances Shay for coming over and getting it right and pushing the Evangelical Church to get it right and to catch up with the Roman Catholics on this the the sort of flip-flopping we do is is what happens when you are captivated by the political illusion the critique has been the right has been captivated by the political illusion and some have but the Evangelical left right now I know we weren't specifically talking about the Evangelical left but they have been captivated by the political illusion every bit is much or more and you see it when in order to justify a political position they do this sort of theological wrangling that they don't do on any other issue the only other thing I want to say about that is that in my experience women who are actually dealing with crisis pregnancies like if you want to be outraged on their behalf or you want to be concerned about their wants and needs then be outraged about the normaly the cultural normaly normaly and accepting of men abandoning them that is their Chief concern 99% of the time is that the man involved in their life has either abandoned them or is pressuring them to get an abortion so if you want to talk about what women need and want go that route and that's where I'll believe you that you deeply care about this issue women who come into the crisis Pregnancy Center where I volunteer are not asking me when their child's Soul entered its body they're telling me that the man who got them pregnant is uninvolved or is pressuring them to end the pregnancy I you know it's it's it's really important point and none of that justifies the woman's own decision um sure to commit sexual sin or you know uh to go down this path that that the decision to abort a child is not justified someone else's sin against you and I know you believe that I uh anecdotally um the stories that I heard this week about nine abortions in the ninth month that's happening in Colorado and the two just this is just a single doctor at a single hospital so multiply that times however many doctors at however many hospitals in ER rooms you know uh across the state and um that's the story we were going to have this child he left me I don't want it now and that's not just anecdotes by the way we now statistically know this right where there has been some at least attempts to approach data of 60 to 70% of women who've had abortions point to that as a factor and this is fredrica Matthews Green absolutely accurate line from the marriage project years ago or the family project years ago where she said um you know women were promised autonomy what they got was abandoned in the sexual Revolution this is the fruit of that bad idea