ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia

THE DAVID MILLER AND LINSEY DAVIS. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> INTO A HIGH-STAKES SHOWDOWN HERE IN THEIR THAT WOULD BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. THEIR FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THE FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING EVER. >> A HISTORIC RACE FOR PRESIDENT APPENDAGES WEEKS AGO. PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH STRONG AFTER HIS LAST DEBATE. DONALD TRUMP NOW UP AGAINST A NEW OPPONENT. >> THE KIDS DID SEPARATED BY THE SMALLEST OF ORIGINS. ESSENTIALLY TIED AT THE POLLS NATIONALLY AND IN THE KEY BATTLEGROUNDS INCLUDING RIGHT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA. ALL STILL VERY MUCH IN PLAY. THE ABC NEWS POTENTIAL DEBATE STARTS RIGHT NOW. >> THIS IS AN ABC NEWS SPECIAL. THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL MOMENT OF THIS CAMPAIGN. KAMALA HARRIS. >> TOGETHER, WE WILL CHART A NEW WAY FORWARD. >> DONALD TRUMP. >> WE WILL SOON BE A GREAT NATION AGAIN. >> HISTORIC. ♪ ♪ D. ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HERE NOW, DAVID MUIR AND LINSEY DAVIS. ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING. AND DA DAVID MUIR. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR TONIGHT'S ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE WILL TO WELCOMES VIEWERS WATCHING ON ABC AND AROUND THE WORLD TONIGHT. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ARE JUST MOMENTS AWAY FROM TAKING THE STAGE IN THIS UNPRECEDENTED RACE FOR THE PRESIDENT. >> AND I'M LINSEY DAVIS. TONIGHT'S MEETING COULD BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL EVENT OF THEIR CAMPAIGNS OR ON ELECTION DAY LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY. PROVIDES% COME HARRIS, THIS IS ARE FIRST DEBATE SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN WITHDREW FROM THE RACE ON JULY 21st. OF COURSE, THAT DECISION FOLLOWED HIS DEBATE AGAINST PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IN JUNE SINCE THEN, THIS RACE HAS TAKEN ON AN ENTIRELY NEW DYNAMIC. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE RULES OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE. 90 MINUTES WITH TWO COMMERCIAL. NO TOPICS OR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE CAMPAIGNS. THE CANDIDATES WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THIS IS THE CAR. IS WHAT THEY WILL BE SEEN, DID MINUTES FOR REBELS AND ONE MINUTES FOR FOLLOW-UPS OR RESPONSES. OF MICROPHONES WILL BE TURNED ON WHEN IT IS THEIR TURN TO SPEAK. NO PREWRITTEN NOTES ALOUD. THERE IS NO AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT IN THIS HALL AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. THIS IS AN INTIMATE SETTING FOR TWO CANDIDATES WHO HAVE NEVER MET. >> PRESIDENT ORBAN WON THE COIN TOSS. HE CHOSE TO DELIVER THE FINAL CLOSING STATEMENT OF THE EVENING. WAS PRESIDENT HARRIS SELECTED OPPONENT TO THE RIGHT. >> GET SMOKIN THE CANDIDATES TO THE STAGE. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> KAMALA HARRIS. >> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU. GLAD TO HAVE YOU BOTH. >> EVENING. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A SPIRITED PLAY AND THOUGHTFUL DEBATE. >> LET'S GET STARTED. WANT TO BE INTIMATE WITH THE ISSUE THAT VOTERS REPEATEDLY SAY IS THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND THAT IS THE ECONOMY AND THE COST OF LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY. >> HERE'S THE YOU IN PART AND TRUMP WERE ELECTED FOUR YEARS AGO AND YOUR OPPONENT ON THE STAGE FOR COULDN'T OFTEN ASK HIS SUPPORTERS, ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO? WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY, DO YOU BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO. >> SO I WAS RAISED AS A MIDDLE-CLASS KID. AND I AM ACTUALLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING UP THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA. I BELIEVE IN THE AMBITION, THE ASPIRATIONS, THE DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND THAT IS WHY I IMAGINE AND HAVE ACTUALLY A PLAN TO BUILD WHAT I CALL AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY. BUT HERE IS THE THING. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOMES AND HOUSING. AND THE COST OF HOUSING IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE. WE KNOW THAT YOUNG FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN AND I INTEND ON EXTENDING A TAX CUT FOR THOSE FAMILIES OF $6,000, WHICH IS THE LARGEST CHILD TAX CREDIT THAT WE HAVE GIVEN IN A LONG TIME. SO THAT THOSE YOUNG FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TO BUY A CRIB, BY A CAR SEAT, BUY CLOTHES FOR THEIR CHILDREN. MY PASSION, ONE OF THEM, IS IT SMALL BUSINESSES. I WAS ACTUALLY MY MOTHER RAISED MY SISTER AND ME. BUT THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO HELPED RAISE US. WE CALL HER OUR SECOND WEATHER SHE WAS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I LOVE HER SMALL BUSINESSES. MY PLAN IS TO GIVE A $50,000 TAX DEDUCTION TO START UP SMALL BUSINESSES, KNOWING THEY ARE PART OF THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY. MY OPPONENT CALLS ON THE OTHER HAND, HIS PLAN IS TO DO WHAT HE HAS DONE BEFORE. WHICH IS TO PROVIDE A TAX CUT FOR BILLIONAIRES AND BIG CORPORATIONS WHICH WILL RESULT IN $5 TRILLION TO AMERICA'S DEFICIT. MY OPPONENT HAS A PLAN THAT I CALL THE TOP SALES TAX. WHICH WOULD BE A 20% TAX ON EVERYDAY GOODS THAT YOU RELY ON TO GET THROUGH THE MONTH. ECONOMISTS HAVE SAID THAT THAT TRUMP SALES TAX WOULD ACTUALLY RESULT FOR MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES IN ABOUT $4,000 MORE A YEAR BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES AND HIS IDEAS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE THE BACKS OF MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE PAYING FOR TAX RECORDS FOR BILLING THERE IS. >> PRESIDENT WELD. >> FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO SALES TAX. THAT IS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. SHE KNOWS THAT. WE'RE DOING TARIFFS ON OTHER COUNTRIES. OTHER COUNTRIES ARE GOING TO -- AFTER 35 YEARS. IS BACK FOR ALL THAT WE HAVE DONE FOR THE WORLD. AND THE TARIFF WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL IN SOME CASES. I TOOK IN BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS YOU KNOW FROM CHINA. IN FACT, THEY NEVER TOOK THE TEAR OFF BECAUSE IT WAS SO MUCH MONEY THEY CAN'T. THEY WOULD TOTALLY DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE SET OUT TO DO. THEY ARE TAKING IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM CHINA AND OTHER PLACES. THEY LEFT THE TEARS ON. WHEN I HAD IT, I HAD TEARS AND YET I HAD NO INFLATION. LOOK, WE HAVE HAD A TERRIBLE ECONOMY BECAUSE INFLATION HAS WHICH IS A COUNTRY BY STRIPPING IT BREAKS UP COUNTRIES. WE HAVE INFLATION LIKE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE. PROBABLY THE WORST IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. WE WERE AT 21%. BUT THAT IS BEING GENEROUS BECAUSE WHEN MANY THINGS ARE 50, 60, 70 AND 80% HIGHER THAN THEY WERE JUST A FEW YEARS A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR PEOPLE FOR THE MAIL, BUT FOR EVERY CLASS. ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY FROM PRISONS AND JAILS FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS AND INSANE ASYLUMS. AND THEY ARE COMING IN AND THEY ARE TAKING JOBS THAT ARE OCCUPIED RIGHT NOW BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS AND ALSO UNIONS. UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED VERY SOON. AND TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. IS THE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH TOWNS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. PUPPY LOOK AT SPRINGFIELD, HOW. YOU LOOK AT AURORA. IN COLORADO. THEY ARE TAKING OVER THE TOWNS. THEY ARE TAKING OVER BUILDINGS. THEY ARE GOING IN VIOLENTLY. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE AND BIDEN LEAD INTO OUR COUNTRY. AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE DANGEROUS. THEY ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CRIMINALITY. AND WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT FAST. I CREATED ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD DO IT AGAIN AND EVEN BETTER. >> WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY DURING THIS DEBATE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LET VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS RESPONDED ON THE ECONOMY. >> LOOK, I WOULD LOVE TO. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP LEFT US. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST UNEMPLOYMENT SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST PUBLIC HEALTH EPIDEMIC IN A CENTURY. DONALD TRUMP LEFT AS THE WORST ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CLEAN UP DONALD TRUMP'S MESS, BUT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT I INTEND TO DO IS BUILD ON WHAT WE KNOW ARE THE ASPIRATIONS AND HOPES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ON THIS DAY. -- DEBATER MIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOKS A BUNCH OF LIES -- LIES, GRIEVANCES AND NAME-CALLING. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT IS A DETAILED AND DANGEROUS PLANT CALLED PROJECT 2025 THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT INTENDS ON IMPLEMENTING IF HE WERE ELECTED AGAIN. I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF BRINGING US TOGETHER KNOWING WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US AND I PLEDGE TO YOU TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS. >> PUT THE TRUCK I WILL GIVE YOU -- >> NUMBER ONE, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO AS SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PROJECT 2025. THAT IS OUT THERE. I HAVE NOT READ IT. I DON'T WANT TO READ IT PURPOSELY. I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT. THIS WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT GO TOGETHER. THEY COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS. I GUESS SOME GOOD, SOME BAD. BUT IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO. EVERYONE KNOWS I'M AN OPEN BOOK. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, CUT TAXES AND CREATE A GREAT ECONOMY LIKE I DID BEFORE. WE HAD THE GREATEST ECONOMY. WE GOT HIT WITH THE PANDEMIC. THE PANDEMIC WAS NOT SINCE 1917. 100 MILLION PEOPLE DIED. HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THE PANDEMIC. WE HANDED THEM OVER A COUNTRY WHERE THE ECONOMY, AND WHERE THE STOCK MARKET WAS HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC CAME IN. NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE MADE VENTILATORS FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD. WE GOT ACCOUNTS. WE GOT MASKS. WE DID THINGS THAT NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. AND PEOPLE GIVE ME CREDIT FOR REBUILDING THE MILITARY. TO GIVE ME CREDIT FOR A LOT OF THINGS. BUT NOT ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THE GREAT JOB WE DID WITH THE PANDEMIC. BUT THE ONLY JOBS THEY GOT WE ARE BOUNCE BACK JOBS. THESE WERE JOBS. >> Announcer: AND IT BOUNCED BACK AND IT WENT TO THEIR BENEFIT. BUT I WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED THEM. THEY KNOW IT AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I WOULD LET YOU ANSWER. >> SO DONALD TRUMP HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS ECONOMIC PLAN, IT IS ALL ABOUT TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICHEST PEOPLE. I AM OFFERING WHAT I HAVE DESCRIBED AS AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY AND THE BEST ECONOMISTS IN OUR COUNTRY IS NOT THE WORLD. HAVE REVIEWED OUR RELATIVE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. WHAT GOLDMAN SACHS HAS SAID IS THAT DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE, MINE WOULD STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY. WHAT IT WOULD IN SCHOOL HAS SAID IS DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD ACTUALLY EXPLODE THE DEFICIT. 16 NOBEL LAUREATES HAVE DESCRIBED HIS ECONOMIC PLAN AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCREASE INFLATION AND BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR WOULD INVITE A RECESSION. YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE STAND ON THE ISSUES. AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO NOTE THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU, BECAUSE HE IS MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HIMSELF THAN HE IS IN LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. >> LOOK, I WENT TO THE WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE AND MANY OF THOSE PROFESSORS, THE TOP PROFESSORS, THINK MY PLAN IS A BRILLIANT PLAN. IT IS A GREAT PLAN. IT IS A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BRING UP OUR WORTH, OUR VALUE AS A COUNTRY, IT IS, IT IS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WIN AT WORK AND CREATE JOBS AND CREATE A LOT OF GOOD SOLID MONEY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND JUST TO FINISH OFF, SHE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN. SHE COPIED BIDEN'S PLAN. AND IT IS LIKE THE FOUR SENTENCES, LIKE RUN SPOT RUN. FOUR SENTENCES THAT IT JUST, OKAY WE WILL TRY TO LOWER TAXES. SHE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN. TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PLAN. SHE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN. >> MR. PRESIDENT. I DO WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON SOMETHING YOU BOTH BROUGHT UP TO THE VICE PRESIDENT BROUGHT UP TEARS, YOU RESPONDED LET'S DRILL DOWN ON THIS BECAUSE YOUR PLAN IS WHAT SHE CALLS IS ESSENTIALLY INITIAL SAILS -- SALES TAX. AS YOU POINTED OUT HERE. FOREIGN IMPORTS ACROSS THE BOARD. YOU RECENTLY SENT YOU MIGHT DOUBLE YOUR PLAN IMPOSING TARIFFS UP TO 20% ON GOODS COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY. AS YOU KNOW, MANY ECONOMISTS SAY THAT WITH TEROS AT THAT LEVEL, PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS ARGUED THAT ONLY HIGHER PRICES ON GAS, FOOD, CLOTHING, MEDICATION, ARGUING IT BECAUSE A TYPICAL FAMILY NEARLY $4,000 A YEAR. DO YOU BELIEVE AMERICANS CAN AFFORD HIGHER PRICES BECAUSE OF TARIFFS? >> WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHO IS GOING TO HAVE HIGHER PRICES IS CHINA AND ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR YEARS, I CHARGE, WAS THE ONLY PERSON EVER, CHINA WAS PAYING AS HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SO WERE OTHER COUNTRIES. AND YOU KNOW, IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE THEM, THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT AND THEY SHOULD HAVE MERELY CUT THE TERRACE. BUT THOSE THERAPISTS AND THEY ARE 3 1/2 YEARS NOW, UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I HAD NO INFLATION VIRTUALLY NO INFLATION. BUT THEY HAD THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN A REST PERIOD OF TIME. PEOPLE CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY CEREAL OR BAKING OR EGGS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ARE ABSOLUTELY DYING WITH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THEY HAVE DESTROYED THE ECONOMY. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT A POLL. THE POLLS SAY 80 AND 85 AND EVEN 90% THAT THE PROPERTY ECONOMY WAS GREAT, THAT THEIR ECONOMY WAS TERRIBLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR RESPONSE. YOU HEARD WITH THE PRESIDENT SAID. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DID KEEP IN THEIR OF THE TERM TARIFFS IN PLACE. HOW -- SO HOW DO YOU RESPOND? >> LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THE TRUST ADMINISTRATION RESULTED IN A TRADE DEFICIT, ONE OF THE HIGHEST WE HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA. HE INVITED TRADE WARS. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS DEAL WITH CHINA. WHAT HE ENDED UP DOING IS UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY, HE ENDED UP SELLING AMERICAN CHIPS TO CHINA TO HELP THEM IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE THEIR MILITARY. BASICALLY SOLD US OUT WHEN A POLICY ABOUT CHINA SHOULD BE IN MAKING SURE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WINS THE COMPETITION FOR THE 21st CENTURY, WHICH MEANS FOCUSING ON THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT REQUIRES. FOCUSING ON RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR ALLIES. FOCUSING ON INVESTING IN AMERICAN-BASED TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT WE WIN THE RACE ON A I'VE, ON QUANTUM COMPUTING. FOCUSING ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT AMERICA'S WORKFORCE. SO THAT WE DON'T END UP HAVING ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK IN TERMS OF WORKERS RIGHTS. BUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. WITH COVID, IS HE ACTUALLY THANKED PRESIDENT XI FOR WHAT HE DID DURING COVID. LOOK AT HISTORIQUE. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT XI, EXCLAMATION POINT, WHEN WE KNOW THAT XI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOCKING AND NOT GIVING US TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COVID. >> PRESIDENT ROBBYN WACKER YOUR RESPONSE? >> FIRST OF ALL, A PUCKS THE BOOKS JUST FROM THAT I WANT. WE HARDLY MAKE CHIPS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF PHILOSOPHIES LIKE THEY HAVE AN POLICIES LIKE THEY HAVE. I DON'T SEE HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NO POLICY. EVERYTHING THAT SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOUR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. SHE IS GOING TO MY PHILOSOPHY NOW. IN FACT, I WAS GOING TO SEND HER A MAGA HEAD. IF SHE EVER GOT ELECTED BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T CHANGE IT AND IT WOULD BE THE END OF OUR COUNTRY. SHE IS A MARXIST. EVERYONE KNOWS SHE IS A MARXIST. HER FATHER IS A MARXIST PROFESSOR IN ECONOMICS. HE TAUGHT HER WELL. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY MONTHLY, WHERE IT IS OUR BELIEF 21 MILLION PEOPLE, NOT THE 15th THAT PEOPLE SAY AND I THINK IT IS A LOT HIGHER THAN THE 21. THAT IS BIGGER THAN NEW YORK STATE POURING IN. AND JUST LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE CRIMINALS. MANY OF THESE PEOPLE COMING IN OR CRIMINALS. AND THAT IS BAD FOR OUR ECONOMY, TOO. YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION IT. THAT IMMIGRATION IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO OUR ECONOMY. THEY HAVE, AND SHE HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY WITH POLICY THAT IS INSANE. ALMOST POLICY THAT YOU CAN SAY THEY HAVE TO HIT OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMAN, THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO TURN TO THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. PLAYED THE TRUMPET YOU HAVE OFTEN DOUBTED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO KILL ROE V. WADE LAST YEAR AND HE SAID THAT YOU ARE PROUD TO BE THE MOST PRO-LIFE PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. INVESTMENT, YOU SAID THAT YOUR AND RESTORATION WOULD BE GREAT FOR WOMEN AND THEIR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. IN YOUR HOME STATE OF FLORIDA, SURPRISED MANY WITH REGARD TO YOUR SIX WEAK ABORTION BAN BECAUSE YOU INITIALLY -- INITIALLY HAD SAID THAT IT WAS TOO SHORT A SAID "I'M GOING TO BE VOTING THAT WE NEED MORE THAN SIX WEEKS." BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY, YOU REVERSED COURSE AND SAID HE WOULD VOTE TO SUPPORT THE SIX-WEEK BAN. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS SAYS THAT WOMEN SHOULD NOT TRUST YOU ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION BECAUSE OF THOSE YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR POSITION SO MANY TIMES. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD THEY TRUST YOU? >> WELL, THE REASON I'M DOING THAT VOTE IS BECAUSE THE PLAN IS AS YOU KNOW, THE VOTE IS, THEY HAVE -- OF ABORTION IN A NINTH MONTH. THEY EVEN HAVE IT, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR OF WEST VIRGINIA, THE PREVIOUS GOVERNOR OF WEST VIRGINIA, NOT THE CURRENT GOVERNOR, WHO IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. BUT THE GOVERNOR BEFORE, HE SAID THE BABY WILL BE BORN AND WE WILL DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE BABY. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL EXECUTE THE BABY. AND THAT IS WHY I DID THAT BECAUSE THAT PREDOMINATES IT. BECAUSE THEY ARE RADICAL. THE DEMOCRATS ARE RADICAL IN THAT. AND HER VICE PRESIDENT -- BY SPRINGER TO PICK WHO I THOUGHT WAS A HORRIBLE. OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE HE IS REALLY OUT OF IT. BUT HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICKED SAYS ABORTION AND THE NINTH MONTH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE. HE ALSO SAYS, EXECUTION AFTER BIRTH, EXECUTION CAN NO LONGER ABORTION BECAUSE THE BABY IS BORN. IS OKAY. AND THAT IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. HENCE THE BOAT. BUT WHAT I DID IS SOMETHING FOR 52 YEARS. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ROE V. WADE INTO THE STATES. AND THROUGH THE GENIUS AND HEART AND STRENGTH OF SIX SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. NOW, I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE INCEST AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. EXCEPTIONS, FOR IMPORTANT BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT STATES ARE VOTING ON IT. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE, LOOK AT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART FOR 52 YEARS. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR, EVERY DEMOCRAT, EVERY REPUBLICAN, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, THEY ALL WANT THIS ISSUE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE STATES WHERE THE PEOPLE COULD VOTE. AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. IT HAPPEN. NOW, OHIO, VOTE WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL. KANSAS, THE BOAT WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL. MUCH MORE LIBERAL THAN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL STATE IS VOTING. IT IS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE NOW. IS NOT TIED UP IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DID A GREAT SERVICE IN DOING IT BUT IT TOOK COURAGE TO DO IT AND SUPREME COURT HAD GREAT COURAGE IN DOING IT. AND I GIVE TREMENDOUS CREDIT TO THOSE SIX JUSTICES. >> THERE IS NO ESTATE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO KILL A BABY AFTER IT IS BORN. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, I WANT TO GET YOUR RESPONSE TO POTENTIAL. >> AS I SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A BUNCH OF LIES AND THAT IS NOT A SURPRISING FACT. IS UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE. DONALD TRUMP HAND SELECTED THREE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WITH THE INTENTION THAT THEY WOULD UNDO THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE. AND THEY DID EXACTLY AS HE INTENDED. AND NOW PUT IN OVER 20 STATES, THERE ARE TRUMP ABORTION BANS, WHICH MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR A DOCTOR OR A NURSE TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE IN ONE STATE. IT PROVIDES PRISON FOR LIFE. TRUMP ABORTION BANS, THEY MAKE NO EXCEPTION EVEN FOR RAPE AND INCEST, WHICH UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. A SURVIVOR OF A CRIME OF VIOLATION TO THEIR BODY DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR BODY NEXT. THAT IS A MORAL. AND ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH OR DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS TO AGREE THE GOVERNMENT AND DONALD TRUMP SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE TELLING A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY. I HAVE TALKED WITH WOMEN AROUND OUR COUNTRY. YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED. PREGNANT WOMEN WHO WANT TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM SUFFERING FROM A MISCARRIAGE BEING DENIED CARE? IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE THE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT GO TO JAIL? AND SHE IS PLAYING OUT IN A CAR IN THE PARKING LOT? SHE DID NOT WANT THAT? HER HUSBAND DID NOT WANT THAT. A 12 OR 13-YEAR-OLD SURVIVOR OF INCEST? BEING FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM? THEY DON'T WANT THAT. AND I PLEDGE TO YOU, WHEN CONGRESS PASSES A BILL TO PUT BACK IN PLACE THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL PROUDLY SIGN IT INTO LAW. UNDERSTAND, IF DONALD TRUMP WERE TO BE REELECTED, HE WILL SIGN THE INITIAL ABORTION BAN. UNDERSTAND IN HIS PROJECT 2025, THERE WOULD BE A NATIONAL ABORTION, A MONITOR THAT WOULD BE MONITORING YOUR PREGNANCIES, YOUR MISCARRIAGES, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT CERTAIN FREEDOMS IN PARTICULAR THE FREEDOM TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ONE OF HIS OWN BODY, SHOULD NOT BE MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT. >> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >> THERE SHE GOES AGAIN. IT IS A LIE. ARE NOT SIGNING A BAN. AND THERE'S NO REASON TO SIGN A BAN BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT WHAT EVERYONE WANTED. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE STATES AND THE STATES ARE VOTING. AND IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME. BUT FOR 52 YEARS, THIS ISSUE HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART. AND THEY HAVE WANTED IT BACK AT THE STATES. AND I DID SOMETHING THAT NOBODY THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE. THE STATES ARE NOW VOTING. WHAT SHE SAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. AND AS FAR AS THE ABORTION BAN, NO. NOT IN FAVOR OF AN ABORTION BAN. BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE STATES. >> WHEN YOU VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN? >> I WON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE AGAIN, 26, NUMBER ONE, SHE SAID SHE WOULD GO BACK TO CONGRESS BUT SHE WILL NEVER GET THE BOAT. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO GET THE VOTE ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE 50/50 ESSENTIALLY 50/50 IN BOTH SENATE AND THE HOUSE. BUT SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET THE VOTE BUT SHE CAN'T GET THERE. SHE WON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO IS. YOU WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GET STUDENT LOANS TERMINATED. AND IT ENDED UP BEING A TOTAL CATASTROPHE. STUDENT LOANS AND THEN HER, I THINK PROBABLY HER BOSS, IF YOU CALL HIM A BOSTIC HE SPENT ALL HIS TIME ON THE BEACH. BUT LOOK TO HER BOSS WENT OUT AND SAID, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN. WE WILL DO A DIFFERENT WAY AND ONE OUT AND GOT REJECTED AGAIN BY THE SUPREME COURT. SO ALL THE STUDENTS GOT TAUNTED WITH THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA. PUMP AND THEN HOW UNFAIR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE REASON THEY LOST TO THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TO PAY OFF THEIR STUDENT LOANS. THEY DID NOT GET IT FOR FREE. BUT THEY WERE SAYING IT IS THE SAME WAY THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT THEY TALK ABOUT ABORTION. >> BUT IF I COULD JUST GET A YES OR NO BECAUSE YOUR RUNNING MATE, JD VANCE, HAS SAID THAT YOU WOULD VETO IT IF YOU -- IT DID COME TO YOUR DESK. >> I DID NOT THIS, WITH JDI IN ALL FAIRNESS. I DON'T MIND IF HE HAS A CERTAIN YOU, AND I REALLY DID NOT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE SHE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO GET IT JUST LIKE SHE CAN AGAINST ANOTHER. THEY COULD NOT GET STUDENT LOANS. THEY DID NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING STUDENTS. THEY TAUNTED YOUNG PEOPLE AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD MODES. THEY COULD NEVER GET THIS APPROVED. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SHE SAYS ABOUT GOING TO CONGRESS. WONDERFUL. LET'S GO TO CONGRESS. TO IT. BUT THE FACT IS THAT FOR YEARS, AND THEY WANTED TO GET IT OUT OF CONGRESS AND OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE DID SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CANNOT BE DONE AND NOW IF YOU HAVE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE ON ABORTION. >> AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I WANT TO GIVE YOU TIME TO RESPOND. BUT I WANT TO ASK, WHAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO AN ABORTION? I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT REINSTATING THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE AND AS RIGHTLY MENTIONED, NOWHERE IN AMERICA IS A WOMAN CARRYING A PREGNANCY TO TERM AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING IN -- IT IS INSULTING TO THE WOMEN OF AMERICA AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S ABORTION BANS. COUPLES WHO PRAY AND DREAMED OF HAVING A FAMILY ARE BEING DENIED IVF TREATMENTS. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY, WORKING PEOPLE, WORKING WOMEN WHO ARE WORKING ONE OR TWO JOBS, WHO CAN BARELY AFFORD CHILDCARE AS IT IS HAVE TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER STATE TO GET ON A PLANE SITTING NEXT TO STRANGERS TO GO AND GET THE HEALTH CARE SHE NEEDS. BARELY CAN AFFORD TO DO IT AND WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING HER THROUGH. THAT IS UNCONSCIONABLE. AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA HAVE NOT -- THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN BODY AND THAT IS WHY IN EVERY STATE WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT AND RED AND BLUE STATES BOTH, THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA HAVE VOTED FOR FREEDOM. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >> I HAVE TO RESPOND. AND OF THE LIGHT. IT IS ANOTHER LIFE. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON IVF. WHICH IS FERTILIZATION. IVF, I'VE BEEN A LEADER IN FACT, WHEN THEY GOT A VERY NEGATIVE DECISION ON IVF FROM THE ALABAMA COURTS, I SAW THE PEOPLE OF ALABAMA AND THE LEGISLATURE, TWO DAYS LATER VOTED IT IN. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON IT. THEY KNOW THAT AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS IT. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON FERTILIZATION IVF. AND THE OTHER THING, THEY -- YOU SHOULD ASK. WHAT SHE ALLOW ABORTION IN THE EIGHTH MONTH, THE NINTH MONTH, SEVEN-MONTH? >> COME ON. >> OKAY, WHAT YOU DO THAT? WHY DON'T YOU ASK -- >> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION. ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> YOU CAN DO ABORTIONS IN THE SEVENTH MONTH, THE EIGHTH MONTH, THE NINTH MONTH. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> AND PROBABLY AFTER BIRTH. JUST LOOKED AT THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA. THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA SAID WE PUT THE BABY ASIDE AND THAT WE DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE BABY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMKA THANK YOU. >> WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY. WE KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO VOTERS ACROSS THE BOARD. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU WERE TASKED WITH PRAISING BIDEN GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AMERICA. WE KNOW THAT ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS REACHED A RECORD HIGH IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THIS PAST JUNE, PRESIDENT BIDEN OPPOSED TO NEW ASYLUM RESTRICTIONS. WE KNOW THE NUMBERS SINCE THEN HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU TONIGHT IS, WHY DID THE ADMINISTRATION WAIT UNTIL SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO ACT? AND WHEN YOU HAVE DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> SO I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE, HAS PROSECUTED TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE TRAFFICKING OF GUNS, DRUGS, AND HUMAN BEINGS. AND LET ME SAY, THAT THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE CAME UP WITH A BORDER SECURITY BILL WHICH I SUPPORTED. AND THAT BILL WOULD HAVE PUT 1500 MORE BORDER AGENTS ON THE BORDER TO HELP THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING THERE RIGHT NOW, OVER TIME TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED US TO STEM THE FLOW OF FENTANYL COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. I KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES WATCHING TONIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY THE SURGE OF FENTANYL IN OUR COUNTRY. THAT BILL WOULD HAVE PUT MORE RESOURCES TO ALLOW US TO PROSECUTE TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR TRAFFICKING IN GUNS, DRUGS, AND HUMAN BEINGS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HAVE BEEN TO THE BILL? DONALD TRUMP GOT ON THE PHONE. HE CALLED UP SOME FOLKS IN CONGRESS AND SAID, KILLED THE BILL. AND YOU KNOW WHY. BECAUSE HE PREFERRED A RUN ON A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF FIXING A PROBLEM. AND UNDERSTAND, THIS COMES AT A TIME WHERE THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ACTUALLY NEED A LEADER WHO ENGAGES IN SOLUTIONS, WHO ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE PROBLEMS AT HAND. BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD PREFER TO RUN ON A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF FIXING A PROBLEM. AND I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING, HE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION ALLOTMENT EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT THAT IS BEING RAISED AND I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING REALLY UNUSUAL AND I'M GOING TO INVITE YOU TO ATTEND ONE OF THE TRUMP RALLIES BECAUSE IT IS A REALLY INTERESTING THING TO WATCH. YOU WILL SEE DURING THE COURSE OF HIS RALLIES HE TALKS ABOUT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS LIKE HANNIBAL LECTOR, HE WILL TALK ABOUT WHEN WINDMILLS CAN CAUSE CANCER. AND WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE THAT PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. AND I WILL TELL YOU THE ONE THING YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT IS YOU. YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT YOUR KNEES, YOUR DREAMS, AND YOUR DESIRES. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I BELIEVE YOU DESERVE A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY PUTS YOU FIRST AND I PLEDGE TO YOU THAT I WILL. >> BRYSE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THINKING. AND TRUMKA WANT TO GET YOUR RESPONSE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. >> WHY DID YOU TRY TO KILL THAT BILL THAT WOULD PUT THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL AGENTS AND OFFICERS ON THE BORDER? >> I'M GOING TO RESPOND. SHE SAID PEOPLE START LEAVING. PEOPLE DON'T GO TO HER RALLIES. THERE'S NO REASON TO GO. AND THE PEOPLE THAT TO GO, SHE IS BUZZING THEM AND THEN PAYING THEM TO BE THERE. UP AND THEN SHOWING THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. SO SHE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE DON'T NEED MIKE GRELLA'S. WE HAVE THE BIGGEST RALLIES, THE MOST INCREDIBLE RALLIES IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS BUT THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING LOST. WE ARE A FAILING NATION. AND IT HAPPENED 3 1/2 YEARS AGO AND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN WORLD WAR II JUST TO GO INTO PHRASE: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. IF SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT, THE COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE FOR SUCCESS. NOT ONLY SUCCESS: WE WILL BE VENEZUELA ON STEROIDS. >> YOU BRING UP SPRINGFIELD OF OHIO. "ABC NEWS" REACHED OUT TO THE MANAGER, TOLD US THERE HAD BEEN NO CREDIBLE REPORTS OF SPECIFIC CLAIMS OF THEM BEING HARMED OR -- INDIVIDUALS IN THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY. >> PEOPLE ON TELEVISION SAY MY DOG WAS TAKEN AND USED FOR FOOD, SO MAYBE HE NEEDS THAT. >> I'M SPEAKING FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO BE INVOLVED, THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THERE. >> THE SPRINGFIELD CITY MANAGER SAYS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. I WILL LET YOU RESPOND TO THE REST OF WHAT YOU HEARD. >> YOU TALK ABOUT EXTREME. I HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF 200 REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE FORMERLY WORKED WITH PRESIDENT BUSH, MITT ROMNEY, AND JOHN McCAIN, INCLUDING THE ENDORSEMENT OF FORMER VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AND CONGRESS MEMBER LIZ CHENEY. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE INSIDE TRACK -- IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ALREADY, ASK PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH HIM PERIODS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, A FOUR-STAR GENERAL, HAS SAID HE HAS CONTEMPT FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. HIS FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAID HE IS DANGEROUS AND UNFIT. HIS FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAS SAID THE NATION, THE REPUBLIC WOULD NEVER SURVIVE ANOTHER TRUMP TERM. WHEN WE LISTEN TO THIS KIND OF RHETORIC WITH ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOT BEING ADDRESSED, I THINK THE CHOICE IS CLEAR IN THE SELECTION. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> THANK YOU, BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR THAT -- SEE, I'M A DIFFERENT KIND OF A PERSON. I FIRE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE. NOT SO GRACIOUSLY PICKED THEY DID BAD THINGS OR A BAD JOB. I FIRED THEM. THEY NEVER FIRED ONE PERSON. THEY DIDN'T FIRE ANYBODY HAVING TO DO WITH AFGHANISTAN, THE TALIBAN, THE 13 PEOPLE WHOSE, WHO WERE JUST KILLED VICIOUSLY AND VIOLENTLY. I GOT TO KNOW THE PARENTS AND THE FAMILY. THEY SHOULD HAVE HIRED ALL THOSE GENERALS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCOMPETENTLY HANDLED SITU SITUATIONS. WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A BAD JOB, I FIRE THEM. YOU TAKE A GUY LIKE ESPER. HE WAS NO GOOD, I FIRED HIM, THEY CAN WRITE BOOKS. THEY CAN WRITE BOOKS WITH ME, BUT NOBODY ELSE, CAN THEY? THEY'VE DONE A POOR JOB AND NEVER FIRE ANYBODY. LOOK AT THE ECONOMY. LOOK AT THE INFLATION. THEY DIDN'T FIRE ANY OF THEIR ECONOMISTS. THEY HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE. THAT'S A GOOD WAY NOT TO HAVE BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT YOU. JUST TO FINISH, I'VE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY REPUBLICAN IN HISTORY BY FAR. IN FACT, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY PRESIDENT, ANY SITTING PRESIDENT IN HISTORY, BY FAR. >> LET ME CONTINUE ON IMMIGRATION. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT EARLIER SO LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR DEPORTATION PROPOSAL THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS DIRECTED TO AS WELL. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU CALLED THIS THE LARGEST DOMESTIC DEPORTATION OPERATION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. YOU SAY YOU WOULD USE THE NATIONAL GUARD, IF THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM USING -- -- >> LOCAL POLICE. >> YOU'VE ALSO SAID YOU WOULD USE LOCAL POLICE. HOW WOULD YOU DEPORT 11 MILLION A DOCUMENT OF IMMIGRANTS? I KNOW YOU BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS MUCH HIGHER. WILL AUTHORITIES BE GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR IN THIS COUNTRY? >> IT IS MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE OF THEM. THEY ALLOWED CRIMINALS, MANY, MANY, MILLIONS OF CRIMINALS. THEY ALLOWED TERRORISTS. THEY ALLOWED COMMON STREET CRIMINALS. THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO COME IN, DRUG DEALERS, TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THE UNITED STATES, AND TOLD BY THEIR COUNTRIES LIKE VENEZUELA "DON'T EVER COME BACK, OR WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOU." THE CRIME IN VENEZUELA AND CRIME IN COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD IS WAY DOWN. YOU KNOW WHY? THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND HAVE GIVEN THEM TO HER TO PUT INTO OUR COUNTRY. THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST MISTAKES IN HISTORY FOR THEM TO ALLOW -- AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY DID IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET VOTES, BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT. THEY ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE LIKE THIS AT ALL. THEY HAVE DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LET IN, AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, CRIME IS DOWN, ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT HERE. CRIME HERE IS UP AND THROUGH THE ROOF DESPITE THEIR FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS THEY'VE MADE, CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY IS THROUGH THE ROOF. WE HAVE A NEW FORM OF CRIME: MIGRANT CRIME, AND IT'S HAPPENING AT LEVELS NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, AS YOU KNOW THE FBI SAYS OVERALL THE VIOLENT CRIME IS COMING DOWN IN THIS COUNTRY. >> THE FBI WERE DEFRAUDING STATEMENTS. THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE WORST CITIES. THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CITIES WITH THE WORST CRIME. IT WAS FRAUD, LIKE THEIR NUMBER OF 818,000 JOBS THEY SAID THEY CREATED TURNED OUT TO BE A FRAUD WORK. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. I WILL LET YOU RESPOND, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >> I THINK THIS IS RICH COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN PROSECUTED FOR NATIONAL SECURITY CRIMES, ECONOMIC CRIMES, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, HAS BEEN FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND HIS NEXT BIG COURT APPEARANCE IS IN NOVEMBER AT HIS OWN CRIMINAL SENTENCING. LET'S BE CLEAR: WHERE EACH PERSON STANDS ON THE ISSUE ABOUT RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CALLED FOR DEFUNDING FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT 45,000 AGENTS. GET THIS. ON THE DAY AFTER HE WAS ARRAIGNED ON 34 FELONY COUNTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS RACE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE TURN THE PAGE ON THIS SAME OLD TIRED RHETORIC AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE WHICH I HAVE A PLAN FOR, ADDRESS WHAT WE MUST DO TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, ADDRESS BRINGING DOWN THE PRICE OF GROCERIES, BUT FRANKLY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED WITH THIS SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOK. >> EXCUSE ME. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES WAS STARTED BY THEM AGAINST THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENT. I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM AND I WILL WING DOMINIC WIN THE REST ON APPEAL. YOU SAW THAT WITH A DECISION RECENTLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT. I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM, BUT THAT IS CALLED WEAPONIZATION. NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY WEAPONIZED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. EVERYONE OF THOSE CASES WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DOJ FROM ATLANTA AND FANI WILLIS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEW YORK, THE D.A. NEW YORK. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES. THEN THEY SAY "HE IS A CRIMINAL." THEY MADE THEM GO AFTER ME. BY THE WAY, JOE BIDEN WAS FOUND ESSENTIALLY GUILTY ON THE DOCUMENTS CASE. WHAT HAPPENED IN MY DOCUMENTS CASE? THEY SAID "THAT'S THE TOUGHEST OF 'EM ALL." A COMPLETE AND TOTAL VICTORY. TWO MONTHS AGO, IT WAS THROWN OUT. IT'S WEAPONIZATION, AND THEY USED IT, AND IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY USED IT TO TRY TO WIN AND ELECTION. THEY ARE FAKE CASES. >> A QUICK RESPONSE, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ON THIS NOTION OF WEAPONIZATION FOR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT EXTREME AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE SELECTION IN 2024 IS TAKING PLACE. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RECENTLY RULED THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE IMMUNE FROM ANY MISCONDUCT IF HE WERE TO ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN. UNDERSTAND: THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD TERMINATE, I'M QUOTING, TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT HE WOULD WEAPONIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES, SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED DISDAIN FOR MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY. UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF DONALD TRUMP WERE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WITH NO GUARD RAILS. CERTAINLY, NOW WE KNOW THE COURT WON'T STOP HIM, WE KNOW J.D. VANCE IS NOT GOING TO STOP HIM. IT'S UP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO STOP HIM. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS -- >> , THANK YOU. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN YOUR LAST RUN FOR PRESIDENT -- >> THIS IS THE ONE THAT WEAPONIZED, NOT ME. SHE WEAPONIZED. I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY ABOUT ME. THEY TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY, I'M A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. THEY ARE THE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA INVESTIGATION THAT WENT NOWHERE. >> WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN YOUR LAST RUN FOR PRESIDENT YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BAN FRACKING. NOW YOU WANT TO -- BAN MANDATORY GOVERNMENT BACKED PROGRAMS FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS. YOUR CAMPING SAYS YOU DON'T. YOU'VE SUPPORTED DECRIMINALIZING BORDER CROSSINGS, NOW YOU ARE TAKING A HARDER LINE. I KNOW YOU SAY YOUR VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED, SO WHY HAVE SO MANY OF YOUR POLICY POSITIONS CHANGED? >> MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED, AND AM GOING TO DISCUSS EVERY ONE, AT LEAST EVERY POINT YOU HAVE MADE, BUT IN PARTICULAR, LET'S TALK ABOUT FRACKING BECAUSE WE ARE IN PENNSYLVANIA. I MADE THAT CLEAR IN 2020. I WILL NOT BAN FRACKING. I HAVE NOT BAN FRACKING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WAS THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE ON THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WHICH OPENED UP NEW LEASES FOR FRACKING. MY POSITION IS WE HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN DIVERSE SOURCES OF ENERGY SO WE REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON FOREIGN OIL. WE HAVE HAD THE LARGEST INCREASE IN DOMESTIC OIL PRODUCTION IN HISTORY BECAUSE OF AN APPROACH THAT RECOGNIZES THAT WHEE KIM NOT OVER RELY ON FOREIGN OIL. AS IT RELATES TO YOUR VALUES -- I GREW UP A MIDDLE-CLASS KID FROM A SINGLE MOTHER WHO WORKED AND SAVED AND WAS ABLE TO BUY BACK THEIR FIRST HOME AS A TEENAGER. KNOWING THAT EVERYBODY GOT HANDED $400 MILLION ON A CIVIL PLATTER THAN FILED BANKRUPTCY SIX TIMES IS A VALUE THAT I BRING TO MY WORK TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND HOMEBUILDERS, TO INCREASED 3 MILLION HOMES, INCREASE 3 MILLION HOMES BY THE END OF MY FIRST TERM. MY WORK IS RELATED TO A FRIEND I MET IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THEIR FAMILY MEMBER. PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT CRIME IS BASED ON THE VALUE THAT IS DEEPLY GROUNDED IN THE IMPORTANCE OF STANDING UP FOR THOSE WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE. MY WORK IS ABOUT PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. IT'S BASED ON LONG-STANDING WORK I HAVE DONE: PROTECTING SENIORS FROM SCAMS. MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE IS A PRESIDENT WHO BRINGS VALUES AND A PERSPECTIVE THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING PEOPLE UP AND NOT BEATING PEOPLE DOWN, AND NAME-CALLING. THE TRUE MEASURE OF THE LEADER IS THE LEADER WHO ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THE STRENGTH IS NOT IN BEATING PEOPLE DOWN: IT'S IN LIFTING PEOPLE UP. I INTEND TO BE THAT PRESIDENT. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I WAS NOT GIVEN $400 MILLION. I WISH I WAS. MY FATHER WAS A BUILDER IN BROOKLYN QUEENS, GREAT FATHER. I LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. I WAS GIVEN A TINY FRACTION OF THAT, AND BUILT IT INTO MANY, MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MANY, MANY BILLIONS. WHEN PEOPLE SEE IT, THEY ARE EVEN SURPRISED. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. FRACKING? SHE HAS BEEN AGAINST IT FOR 12 YEARS. DEFUND THE POLICE SHE'S BEEN AGAINST FOREVER. SHE GAVE ALL THAT STUFF UP VERY WRONGLY, VERY HORRIBLY, AND EVERYBODY'S LAUGHING AT IT. THEY ARE ALL LAUGHING AT IT. SHE GAVE UP AT LEAST 12, AND PROBABLY 14 OR 15 DIFFERENT POLICIES. SHE WAS BIG ON DEFUND THE POLICE. IN MINNESOTA, SHE WENT OUT -- WAIT A MINUTE, I'M TALKING NOW. YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? >> WOW. >> SHE WENT OUT IN MINNESOTA AND WANTED TO LET CRIMINALS THAT KILLED PEOPLE, THAT BURNS DOWN MINNEAPOLIS -- SHE WENT OUT AND RAISE MONEY TO GET THEM OUT OF JAIL. SHE DID THINGS NOBODY WOULD EVER THINK OF. NOW, SHE WANTS TO DO TRANSGENDER OPERATIONS ON ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE IN PRISON. THIS IS A RADICAL LEFT LIBERAL THAT WOULD DO THIS. SHE WANTS TO CONFISCATE YOUR GARDENS, AND SHE WILL NEVER ALLOW FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA. IF SHE WILL MAKE THE ELECTION, FRACKING AND PENNSYLVANIA WILL END ON DAY ONE. JUST TO FINISH ONE THING, SO IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION. I GOT THE BUSINESS GOING LIKE NOBODY HAS DONE BEFORE. WHEN THEY TOOK OVER, THEY GOT RID OF IT. THE PRICES WERE GOING UP THE ROOF. THEY IMMEDIATELY LET GUYS GO TO WHERE THEY WERE. I WOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES HIGHER. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. THEY GOT IT UP TO WHERE I WAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE, BECAUSE THE PRICES OF ENERGY WORK QUADRUPLING AND DOUBLING. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENS TO GASOLINE. IF SHE WON THE ELECTION, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, SHE WILL BE GOING BACK TO DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. OIL WILL BE DEAD, FOSSIL FUEL WILL BE DEAD. WE WILL GO BACK TO WINDMILLS AND SOLAR WHERE THEY NEED A WHOLE DESERT TO GET SOME ENERGY TO COME OUT. YOU EVER SEE A SOLAR PLANT? I'M A BIG FAN OF SOLAR, BUT THEY TAKE 400-500 ACRES OF DESERT OIL. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO GET TO. WE ARE OUT OF TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN 56 DAYS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, WHICH OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW IS A CORNERSTONE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. THE ROLE OF PRESIDENT IN A MOMENT OF CRISIS. MR. PRESIDENT, ON JANUARY 6TH, YOU TOLD YOUR SUPPORTERS TO MARCH TO THE CAPITAL. YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE THERE WITH THEM. PLAYED OUT OF THE CAPITAL THAT THEY. THE OFFICERS COMING OUT OF ATTACK. IF AIDS IN THE WEST WING SAY YOU SAW IT UNFOLD OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE. YOU SENT OUT SWEETS BUT IT WAS MORE THAN TWO HOURS SINCE YOU SENT OUT A VIDEO MESSAGE TELLING YOUR SUPPORTERS TO GO HOME. IS ANYTHING THAT YOU REGRET? >> YOU JUST SAID A THING THAT ISN'T COVERED: PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY. I SAID DURING MY SPEECH, NOT LATER ON. PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY. NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS KILLED. ASHLEY BABBITT WAS SHOT BY AN OUT-OF-CONTROL POLICE OFFICER THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER EVER SHOT HER. IT'S A DISGRACE. WE DIDN'T DO, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN TREATED SO BADLY. I ASKED WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND KILLING PEOPLE THAT SHE ALLOWED SUPPORTED? SHE WAS THE BORDER CZAR, SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALLED THE BORDER CZAR BECAUSE SHE OF HIS STOMACH IS EMBARRASSED ABOUT THE BORDER. SAID AT THE BEGINNING "I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BORDER YET" SPIRIT SHE KNOWS WHAT A BAD JOB THEY'VE DONE. WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE? WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE PROSECUTED? WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, NOT JUST SOUTH AMERICA. THEY ARE COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL OVER THE WORLD AND CRIME RATES ARE DOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE OF IT. ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE PROSECUTED? ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT BURNS DOWN MINNEAPOLIS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED, OR IN SEATTLE. THEY WENT INTO SEATTLE, TOOK OVER. A BIG PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE. ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE PROSECUTED? >> LET ME ASK. >> YOU MIGHT ASK HER THAT. >> YOU WERE THE PRESIDENT, WATCHING IT UNFOLD ON TELEVISION. IT'S A SIMILAR QUESTION AS WE HEAD TOWARD AN ELECTION. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REGRET ABOUT WHAT YOU DID ON THE DAY, YES OR NO? >> I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT OTHER THAN THEY ASKED ME TO MAKE A SPEECH. I SHOWED UP FOR A SPEECH. I SAID "I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BIG." AND WENT TO NANCY PELOSI AND THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON, D.C. THE MAYOR PUT IT BACK IN WRITING, AS YOU KNOW. I SAID "THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY BIG RALLY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT." IT WAS DONE BY ME: IT WAS DONE BY OTHERS. I SAID "I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 10,000 NATIONAL GUARD OR SOLDIERS. THEY REJECTED ME. NANCY PELOSI REJECTED ME. IT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, HER DAUGHTER HAS A TAPE OF HER SAYING SHE IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THAT TAPE. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF NANCY PELOSI AND THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON DID THEIR JOB. I WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY: NANCY PELOSI WAS RESPONSIBLE. SHE DIDN'T DO HER JOB. >> THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE U.S. PRESIDENT NOT ABOUT FORMER SPEAKER PELOSI, BUT I WANT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO RE RESPOND. >> I WAS AT THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6TH. I WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT ELECT. I WAS ALSO AN ACTING SENATOR. I WAS THERE. ON THAT DAY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES INCITED A VIOLENT MOB TO ATTACK OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, TO DESECRATE OUR NATION'S CAPITAL. ON THAT DAY, 140 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WERE INJURED. SOME DIED. UNDERSTAND, THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN INDICTED AND IMPEACHED FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED SITUATION. LET'S REMEMBER CHARLOTTESVILLE, WHERE THERE WAS A MOB OF PEOPLE CARRYING TIKI TORCHES, SPEWING ANTI-SEMITIC HATE. WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT THEN AT THE TIME SAY? "THEY WERE FINE PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE." LET'S REMEMBER THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE PROUD BOYS, A MILITIA, THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAID "STAND BACK AND STAND BY." FOR EVERYONE WATCHING WHO REMEMBERS WHAT JANUARY 6TH WAS, I SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. LET'S NOT GO BACK. WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. IT IS TIME TO TURN THE PAGE. IF THAT WAS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR YOU, THERE IS A PLACE IN OUR CAMPAIGN FOR YOU: TO STAND FOR COUNTRY, TO STAND FOR OUR DEMOCRACY, TO STAND FOR RULE OF LAW, AND TO END THE CHAOS AND TO END THE APPROACH THAT IS ABOUT ATTACKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR DEMOCRACY BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME. BE CLEAR ON THAT POINT: DONALD TRUMP, THE CANDIDATE, HAS SAID IN THIS ELECTION "THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH" IF THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION IS NOT TO HIS LIKING. LET'S TURN THE PAGE. LET'S NOT GO BACK. LET'S CHART A COURSE FOR THE FUTURE AND NOT GO BACKWARDS TO THE PAST. >> LET ME FOLLOW-UP. >> IT WAS A DIFFERENT TERM AND IT WAS A TERM THAT RELATED TO ENERGY. THEY HAVE DESTROYED OUR ENERGY BUSINESS. THAT WAS WHERE "BLOODBATH" WAS. CHARLOTTESVILLE, THAT STORY HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. LAURA INGRAHAM, SEAN HANNITY, JESSE -- ALL THESE PEOPLE COVERED IT. IF THEY GO AN EXTRA SENTENCE THEY WILL SEE IT WAS PERFECT. IT WAS DEBUNKED IN A MOST EVERY NEWSPAPER. JUST LIKE THEY BRING UP 2025. ALL THE STUFF, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL. WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THESE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER? HOW COME SHE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING? I WOULD BE PROUD TO DO IT. I WOULD SAY WE WOULD BOTH LEAVE THIS DEBATE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C., DURING THIS DEBATE, BECAUSE WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF TIME. SHE'S BEEN SO BAD, IT'S SO RIDICULOUS. GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C., AND LET HER SIGN A BILL TO CLOSE UP THE BORDER, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THEY DON'T NEED BILLS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU WILL GET HIM OUT OF BED. YOU WILL WAKE HIM UP AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, SAY "COME ON DOWN TO THE OFFICE, LET'S SIGN A BILL." IF HE SIGNS A BILL THAT THE BORDER IS CLOSED, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY TO THE BORDER PATROL WHO WERE PHENOMENAL. IF THEY DO THAT, THE BORDER IS CLOSED. THOSE PEOPLE ARE KILLING MANY PEOPLE, UNLIKE J6. >> WE TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION TONIGHT. THIS NEXT ISSUE BRINGS THIS INTO FOCUS, TRUTH IN THESE TIMES WE'RE LIVING IN. MR. PRESIDENT, FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS AFTER YOU LOST THE 2020 ELECTION, YOU REPEATEDLY FALSELY CLAIMED THAT YOU WON, MANY TIMES SAYING THE WON IN A LANDSLIDE. IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS LEADING UP TO THIS DEBATE, YOU HAVE SAID "YOU LOST BY A WHISKER," THAT YOU "DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT," THAT YOU "CAME UP A LITTLE BIT SHORT." >> DID I SAY THAT? >> ARE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING YOU LOST ENTIRELY? >> IT WAS SARCASTICALLY, YOU KNOW THAT. THAT WAS SAID SARCASTICALLY. "WE LOST BY A WHISKER." ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT IT. THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT IT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURES FOR APPROVAL. I GET ALMOST 75 MILLION VOTES, THE MOST VOTES ANY SITTING PRESIDENT HAS EVER GOTTEN. I WAS TOLD IF I GOT 63 -- WHICH IS WHAT I GOT IN 2016 -- YOU CAN'T BE BEATEN. THE ELECTION. PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER BE THINKING ABOUT AN ELECTION AS FRAUDULENT. WE NEEDED TWO THINGS: WALLS -- AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE BORDERS, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD ELECTIONS. OUR ELECTIONS ARE BAD. A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING IN, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. THAT CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE IN PRACTICALLY, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. >F VIDEO. DIDN'T DETECT THE SARCASM, "LOST BY L WHISKER, DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT." 60 CASES IN FRONT OF MANY JUDGES, YOUR ALLIES. >> JUDGE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE STANDING. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. THEY SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE STANDING: A TECHNICALITY. CAN YOU IMAGINE A SYSTEM WHERE A PERSON AND AN ELECTION DOESN'T HAVE STANDING, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T HAVE STANDING? THAT'S HOW WE LOST. DID YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU IF YOU DO A SPECIAL ON IT. I WILL SHOW YOU GEORGIA AND I WILL SHOW YOU WISCONSIN AND PENNSYLVANIA. WE HAVE SO MANY FACTIONS STATISTICS. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT DOESN'T MATTER. WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S OLD NEWS. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AS WE HAVE A NATION IN DECLINE. THEY HAVE PUT IT INTO DECLINE. WE HAVE A NATION THAT IS DYING, DAVID. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT. HE SAID HE DIDN'T SAY HE LOST BY WHISKER. HE STILL BELIEVES HE DID NOT LOSE THE ELECTION THAT WAS WON BY PRESIDENT BIDEN AND YOURSELF. I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. A POST FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THIS UPCOMING ELECTION WEEKS AWAY. HE SAID "WHEN I WENT NEXT, THOSE PEOPLE WHO CHEATED," AND HE LISTS DONORS, VOTERS, ELECTION OFFICIALS, "WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FOLKS EXTENT OF THE LAW INCLUDING LONG-TERM PRISON SENTENCES. ONE OF YOUR CAMPAIGNERS SAID "WE WON'T LET DONALD TRUMP INTIMIDATE US OR SUPPRESS THE VOTE." IS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE HE'S TRYING TO DO HERE? >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. CLEARLY, HE'S HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME PROCESSING THAT. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO AT TIMES, AS HE DID IN THE PAST, TO APPEND THE WILL OF THE VOTERS IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WORLD LEADERS ARE LAUGHING AT DONALD TRUMP. I HAVE TALKED WITH MILITARY LEADERS, SOME OF WHOM WORK WITH YOU. THEY SAY YOU ARE A DISGRACE. WHEN YOU THEN TALK IN THIS WAY, AND A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND DENY WHAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN OUR COURT CASES YOU HAVE LOSS -- OUR COURT CASES YOU HAVE LOST, BECAUSE YOU DID IN FACT LOSE THAT ELECTION. IT LEADS ONE TO BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS, WE DO NOT HAVE IN THE CANDIDATE TO MY RIGHT, THOUGH TEMPERAMENT OR ABILITY TO -- >> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WORLD LEADERS. ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED MEN, THEY CALL HIM A STRONG MAN HE'S A TOUGH PERSON. SMART. PRIME MINISTER OF HUNGARY. THEY SAID "WHY IS THE WORLD BLOWING UP?" THREE YEARS AGO IT WASN'T. WHY IS IT BLOWING UP? HE SAID "YOU NEED TO TRUMP BACK AS PRESIDENT." THEY WERE AFRAID OF HIM, CHINA WAS AFRAID IT. I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD AFRAID BUT I'M QUOTING HIM APPEAR CHINA WAS AFRAID OF HIM, NORTH KOREA WAS AFRAID OF HIM. LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH NORTH KOREA, BY THE WAY. HE SAID "RUSHER WAS AFRAID OF HIM," I ENDED THIS PIPELINE AND BITE AND PUT IT BACK ON DAY ONE BUT HE ENDED THE XL PIPELINE. THE XL PIPELINE, IN OUR COUNTRY, HE ENDED THAT BUT HE LET THE RUSSIANS BUILD A PIPELINE GOING ALL OVER EUROPE AND HEADING INTO GERMANY. THE BIGGEST PIPELINE IN THE WORLD. VIKTOR ORBAN SAID IT. HE SAID THE MOST RESPECTED, MOST FEARED PERSON'S DONALD TRUMP. WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, BUT WHEN THIS WEAK, PATHETIC MAN THAT YOU SAW AT A DEBATE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, THAT IF HE WEREN'T IN THAT DEBATE, HE WOULD BE RUNNING -- HE GOT NO VOTES, HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES. YOU TALK ABOUT A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES, AND THEY THREW HIM OUT OF OFFICE. I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE SECRET: HE HATES HER. HE CAN'T STAND HER, BUT HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES PICKED THEY THREW HIM OUT. SHE GOT ZERO VOTES. WHEN SHE RAN, SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE HAD FAILED. NOW, SHE IS RUNNING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, YOUR TIME IS UP, WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GET TO. >> THE ISRAEL/HAMAS WAR AND HOSTAGES STILL BEING HELD, AMERICANS AMONG THEM. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN DECEMBER YOU SET UP AND BECAUSE ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF," BUT YOU ADDED "IT MATTERS HOW" HI SAYING INTERNATIONALLY MILITARY AND LAW MUST BE RESPECTED, MUST DO MORE TO PROTECT INNOCENT CIVILIANS." YOU SAID THAT FOUR COMMENTS AGO, AND NEARLY 100,000 PALESTINIANS ARE DEAD AND 100 THOUSAND HOSTAGES REMAIN -- HOW MANY PAL STONES ARE DEAD AND THERE IS 100,000 HOSTAGES REMAINING. PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BREAK THE STALEMATE. HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? >> IT'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE. ON OCTOBER 7TH, HAMAS, A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, SLAUGHTERED 1200 ISRAELIS. MANY OF THEM YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE SIMPLY ATTENDING A CONCERT. WOMEN WERE HORRIBLY RAPED. ABSOLUTELY, I SAY THEN, I SAY NOW: ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. WE WOULD. HOW IT DOES SO MATTERS, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO TRUE, FAR TOO MANY INNOCENT PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED. CHILDREN, MOTHERS. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THIS WARMEST END. MUST END IMMEDIATELY, AND THE WAY IT WILL END IS WE NEED A CEASE-FIRE DEAL, AND WE NEED THE HOSTAGES OUT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AROUND THE CLOCK ON THAT, ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MUST CHARGE A COURSE FOR A TWO STATE SOLUTION. IN THAT SOLUTION, THERE MUST BE SECURITY FOR THE ISRAELI PEOPLE AND ISRAEL AND IN EQUAL MEASURE FOR THE PALESTINIANS, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WILL ASSURE YOU ALWAYS: I WILL ALWAYS GIVE ISRAEL THE ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF, IN PARTICULAR AS IT RELATES TO IRAN IN ANY THREAT THAT IRAN AND ITS PROXIES POSED TO ISRAEL. WE MUST HAVE A TWO STATE SOLUTION OR WE CAN REBUILD GAZA, WHERE THE PALESTINIANS HAVE SECURITY, SELF-DETERMINATION, AND THE DIGNITY THEY SO RIGHTLY DESERVE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, HOW WOULD YOU NEGOTIATE WITH NETANYAHU AND HAMAS TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT AND PREVENT THE KILLING OF MORE INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN GAZA? >> IF I WERE PRESIDENT, IT WOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. IF I WERE PRESIDENT, RUSSIA WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER -- I KNOW PUTIN VERY WELL. THERE WAS NO THREAT OF IT EITHER, BY THE WAY, FOR FOUR YEARS -- HAVE GONE INTO UKRAINE AND KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, FAR WORSE THAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. WHEN SHE MENTIONS ABOUT ISRAEL, ALL OF A SUDDEN, SHE HATES ISRAEL. SHE WOULDN'T EVEN MEET WITH THEM WHEN HE WENT TO CONGRESS TO MAKE A VERY IMPORTANT SPEECH. SHE REFUSED TO BE THERE. SHE WAS AT A SORORITY PARTY OF HERS. SHE WANT TO GO TO A SORORITY PARTY. SHE HITS ISRAEL. IF SHE IS PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE ISRAEL WOULD NOT EXIST WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM NOW. I'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT PREDICTIONS AND I HOPE I'M WRONG ON THAT ONE. SHE HATES ISRAEL. AT THE SAME TIME, IN HER OWN WAY, SHE HATES THE ARAB POPULATION, BECAUSE THE WHOLE PLACE IS GOING TO GET BLOWN UP: ARABS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ISRAEL. ISRAEL WILL BE GONE. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED -- IRAN WAS BROKE UNDER DONALD TRUMP, AND NOW THEY HAVE $300 BILLION BECAUSE THEY TOOK OFF ALL THE SANCTIONS I HAD. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH, OR ANY OF THE 28TH DIFFERENT SNEERS OF --SPHERES OF TERROR, HORRIBLE DIFFERENT TERROR -- THEY HAD NO MONEY. IT WAS A BIG STORY AND YOU COVERED IT. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR TERROR. THEY WERE BROKE. NOW, THEY ARE A RICH KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS SPREADING THAT MONEY AROUND. LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE HUTTIS AND YEMEN. LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. I WILL GET THAT SETTLED, FAST, GET THE WAR WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA ENDED IF I AM PRESIDENT-ELECT. I WILL GET IT DONE BEFORE EVEN BECOMING PRESIDENT. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, HE SAYS YOU HATE ISRAEL. >> THAT'S ABSOLUTE NOT TRUE. I HAVE MY ENTIRE CAREER AND LIFE SUPPORTED ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI PEOPLE. HE KNOWS THAT. HE'S TRYING TO DIVIDE AND DISTRACT FROM THE REALITY, WHICH IS IT'S VERY WELL KNOWN THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WEAK AND WRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY. IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT HE ADMIRES DICTATORS, WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR ON DAY 1, ACCORDING TO HIMSELF. IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT HE SAID OF PUTIN THAT HE CAN DO "WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS" AND TO GO INTO UKRAINE. IT'S WELL-KNOWN THAT WHEN HE SAID RUSSIA WENT INTO UKRAINE, IT WAS BRILLIANT. IT'S WELL KNOWN HE EXCHANGED LOVE LETTERS WITH KIM JONG UN. IT'S ABSOLUTELY WELL-KNOWN THAT THESE DICTATORS AND AUTOCRATS ARE ROOTING FOR YOU TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLEAR. THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOU WITH FLATTERY AND FAVORS. THAT IS WHY SO MANY MILITARY LEADERS, WHO YOU HAVE WORKED WITH, HAVE TOLD ME YOU ARE A DISGRACE. THAT'S WHY WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT CONSISTENTLY WEAK AND WRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY, INCLUDING THE IMPORTS -- >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS -- >> INCLUDING A HOLDING IN HIGHEST REGARD OUR MILITARY. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. >> SHE IS THE ONE THAT CAUSED IT. THAT'S WEAK ON NATIONAL SECURITY BY ALLOWING EVERY NATION -- LAST MONTH OF THE YEAR -- 168 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES SENDING PEOPLE INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE CRIME RATES ARE WAY DOWN. PUTIN ENDORSED HER LAST WEEK, SAID "I HOPE SHE WINS," AND I THINK HE MEANT IT. WHAT HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH IS INCREDIBLE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITH ME. THE LEADERS OF OTHER COUNTRIES THINK THEY ARE WEAK AND INCOMPETENT, AND THEY ARE. THEY ARE GROSSLY INCOMPETENT. 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PRESIDENT, IT'S BEEN THE POSITION OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THAT WE MUST DEFEND UKRAINE FROM RUSSIA, VLADIMIR PUTIN, DEFEND THEIR SOVEREIGNTY, DEMOCRACY, IN AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST TO DO SO. IF PUTIN WINS HE MAY GO FURTHER INTO OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU HAD SAID HE WOULD SOLVE THIS WAR IN 24 HOURS AND SAID SO JUST BEFORE THE BREAK TONIGHT. HOW DID YOU DO THAT? DO YOU WANT UKRAINE TO WIN THIS WORK? >> I WANT TO WORK TO STOP WORKING WANT TO SAVE LIVES THAT ARE BEING USELESSLY, PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY THE MILLIONS. IT IS THE MILLIONS. IT IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN THE NUMBERS YOU ARE GETTING WHICH ARE FAKE NUMBERS. WE ARE IN FOR $250 BILLION OR MORE BECAUSE THEY DON'T ASK EUROPE, WHICH IS A MUCH BIGGER BENEFICIARY TO GETTING THIS THING DONE. THEY ARE IN FOR $150 BILLION LESS BECAUSE BIDEN AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK EUROPE, LIKE I DID WITH NATO. THEY PAID BILLIONS AND BILLIONS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN I SAID EITHER YOU PAY UP OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU ANYMORE. THEY DON'T LIKE ME AS MUCH AS THEY LIKE WEAK PEOPLE. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING. WHERE IN FOR $250 BILLION -- $2,150,000,000,000. THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO EQUALIZE. THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO GET THE WORK SETTLED. I KNOW FLATTERY ZELINSKI AND FLANNERY PUT IN WELL. I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP -- I KNOW VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY AND PUTIN VERY WELL. I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. RESPECT BIDEN FOR WHAT REASON? HE HAS NOT MADE A PHONE CALL IN TWO YEARS TO PUTIN, HASN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY. I DON'T EVEN TRY AND GET IT. THAT'S A WAR THAT'S GOING TO BE SETTLED. I WILL GET IT SETTLED BEFORE I BECOME PRESIDENT. WHEN I'M PRESIDENT-ELECT, I WILL SPEAK TO ONE, SPEAK TO THE OTHER, GET THEM TOGETHER. THAT WAR WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. WHEN I SAW PUTIN AFTER I LEFT, UNFORTUNATELY LEFT BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE TO HELL -- BUT AFTER I LEFT BECAUSE I SAW HIM BUILDING UP SOLDIERS, HE DID IT AFTER I LEFT. SAID "HE MUST BE NEGOTIATING, MUST BE A GOOD STRONG POINT OF NEGOTIATION. "BIDEN HAD NO IDEA HOW TO TALK TO THEM, HOW TO STOP IT. NO YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DEAD. IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE, AND IT COULD LEAD TO WORLD WAR III. DON'T KID YOURSELF, DAVID. WE ARE PLAYING WITH WORLD WAR III. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S -- WHERE IS OUR PRESENT? WE DON'T KNOW IF HE IS A PRESIDENT. SPEAKERS TO CLARIFY -- >> WE THREW THEM OUT OF THE CAMPAIGN -- >> THEY THREW HIM OUT OF THE CAMPAIGN LIKE A DOG. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO DOESN'T KNOW HE IS ALIVE. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S IN THE U.S.'S BEST INTEREST FOR UKRAINE TO WIN THIS WORK? >> I THINK IT'S IN THE U.S.'S BEST INTEREST TO GET THIS WORK FINISHED AND DONE. NEGOTIATE A DEAL. WE HAVE TO STOP. ALL THESE HUMAN LIVES -- BUT WE HAVE TO STOP ALL THESE HUMAN LIVES FROM BEING DESTROYED. >> I WANT TO TAKE THIS TO VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE IN THIS MOMENT. AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF IF ELECTED HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU ARE SEEING FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN TO. >> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE FORMER PRESIDENT YOU ARE NOT RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN: YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST ME. THE REASON I BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP SAYS THIS WAR WOULD BE OVER WITHIN 24 HOURS IS BECAUSE HE WOULD GIVE IT UP. THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE AS AMERICANS. LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED. I MET WITH VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY A FEW DAYS BEFORE RUSSIA INVADED, TRIED TO FORCE TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID AND IS ONE OF THE WORST INTERNATIONAL NORMS. I MET WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, SHARED WITH HIM IN AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE OF HOW HE COULD DEFEND HIMSELF. DAYS LATER I WENT TO NATO'S EASTERN FLANK TO POLAND AND ROMANIA, AND THROUGH THE WORK THAT I AND OTHERS DID, WE BROUGHT 50 COUNTRIES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT UKRAINE IN ITS RIGHTEOUS DEFENSE. BECAUSE OF OUR SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF THE AIR DEFENSE -- AN INDEPENDENT AND FREE COUNTRY. IF DONALD TRUMP WERE PRESENT, PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN KYIV RIGHT NOW. PUTIN'S AGENDA IS NOT JUST ABOUT UKRAINE. UNDERSTAND WHY THE EUROPEAN ALLIES AND OUR NATO ALLIES ARE SO THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER PRESIDENT, AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY ALLIANCE THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, WHICH IS NATO, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY OF ZELENSKYY AND THE UKRAINIANS TO FIGHT FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE. ON THE PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN KYIV WITH HIS EYES AND THE REST OF EUROPE STARTING WITH POLAND. ONE OF YOU TELL THE 800,000 POLISH AMERICANS IN PENNSYLVANIA HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD GIVE UP FOR THE SAKE OF FAVOR AND WHAT YOU THINK IS A FRIENDSHIP WITH WHAT IS KNOWN TO BE A DICTATOR WHO WOULD EAT YOU FOR LUNCH? >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. WE'VE HEARD FROM BOTH OF YOU ON UKRAINE TONIGHT. AFGHANISTAN CAME UP IN THE LAST HALF AN HOUR. I WANTED HER TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER -- PLEASE, I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE HERE. >> PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN MOSCOW AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST 300,000 MEN AND WOMEN. HE WOULD BE SITTING IN MOSCOW -- QUIET, PLEASE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN MOSCOW MUCH HAPPIER THAN HE IS RIGHT NOW. HE'S GOT A THING OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TURKEYS GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NUCLEAR -- NOBODY HAS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. MAYBE HE WILL USE THEM EVENTUALLY. HE HASN'T BUT NOT THREATENING, BUT HE DOES HAVE THAT. SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT IT. THEY SENT HER TO NEGOTIATE PEACE THREE DAYS BEFORE THE WAR STARTED. THREE DAYS LATER, HE STARTED THE WAR, BECAUSE OF THING THEY SAID WAS WEAK AND STUPID. THEY SAID THE WRONG THINGS. THAT WAR SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. SHE WAS THE EMISSARY. THEY CENTER IN TO NEGOTIATE WITH ZELENSKYY AND PUTIN, AND SHE DID, AND THE WAR STARTED THREE DAYS LATER. THAT'S THE KIND OF TALENT WE HAVE. SHE GOES DOWN AS THE WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING: SHE IS A HORRIBLE NEGOTIATOR. THEY CENSOR IN TO NEGOTIATE AS SOON AS THEY LEFT TO PUTIN DID THE INVASION. >> SAID SHE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH LIVE REPORT END. HAVE YOU EVER MET VLADIM VLADIMIR PUTIN? >> YOU WILL HEAR A BUNCH OF LIES FROM THIS FELLOW. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. WHEN I WENT TO MEET WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, AND I MET WITH HIM OVER FIVE TIMES. THE REALITY IS, IT'S BEEN ABOUT STANDING AS AMERICA ALWAYS SHOWED IT: AS A LEADER UPHOLDING INTERNATIONAL RULES AND NORMS, AS A LEADER WHO SHOWS STRENGTH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ALLIANCES WE HAVE AROUND THE WORLD ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR ABILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR FRIENDS AND NOT FAVOR OUR ENEMIES BECAUSE YOU ADORE STRONGMEN INSTEAD OF CARING ABOUT DEMOCRACY. THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO RELY ON A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AMERICA'S ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY. IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THERE IS STABILITY AND ENSURING WE STAND UP FOR PRINCIPLES AND NOT SELL THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL FLATTERY. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT UKRAINE AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFGHANISTAN. IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR OF THIS DEBATE. AND WANT TO MOVE ON TO AFGHANISTAN. >> SAID TRUMPED OF THE MOST AMAZING THING I'VE EVER SEEN. HE GOT THESE COUNTRIES, THE 28 COUNTRIES AT THE TIME TO PAY UP. HE SAID "I'VE NEVER SEEN --" HE'S THE HEAD OF NATO, SAID I'VE NEVER SEEN -- FOR YEARS WE WERE PAYING ALMOST ALL OF NATO. WE WERE BEING RIPPED OFF BY EUROPEAN NATIONS, BOTH ON TRADE AND ON NATO. I GOT THEM TO PAY UP BY SAYING ONE OF THE STATEMENTS HE MADE BEFORE. IF YOU DON'T PAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT. SAID HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST CREDIBLE DRUGS HE'S EVER SEEN DONE. >> THINK YOU. I WANT TO TURN TO AFGHANISTAN. IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR OF THE DEBATE. WE WITNESSED A POIGNANT MOMENT ON CAPITOL HILL, HONORING THE SOLDIERS WHO DIED IN THE CHAOTIC WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN. WANT TO ASK THE VICE PRESIDENT, DO YOU BELIEVE YOU BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN THE WAY THAT WITHDRAWAL PLAYED OUT? >> I WILL TELL YOU, I AGREED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISION TO PULL OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. FOUR PRESIDENTS SAID THEY WOULD AND JOE BIDEN DID. AS A RESULT, AMERICA'S TAXPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING THE $300 MILLION A DAY WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT ENDLESS WAR. AS OF TODAY, THERE IS NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY WHO IS IN ACTIVE DUTY IN A COMBAT ZONE IN ANY WAR ZONE AROUND THE WORLD, FIRST TIME THIS CENTURY. LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT NEGOTIATED ONE OF THE WEAKEST DEALS YOU CAN IMAGINE. HE CALLS HIMSELF A DEALMAKER. EVEN HIS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAID IT WAS A WEAK, TERRIBLE DEAL. HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN. HE BYPASSED THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT. HE NEGOTIATED DIRECTLY WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION CALLED THE TALIBAN. THE NEGOTIATION INVOLVES THE TALIBAN GETTING 5,000 TALIBAN TERRORISTS RELEASED. GET THIS: AND THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME INVITED THE TALIBAN TO CAMP DAVID, A PLACE OF STORIED SIGNIFICANCE FOR US AS AMERICANS, A PLACE WHERE WE HONOR THE IMPORTANCE OF AMERICAN DIPLOMACY. RESPECTED WORLD LEADERS. THIS FORMER PRESIDENT GLOBAL INVITED THEM TO CAMP DAVID. THE ROLE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE UNITED -- PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF WITH A LEVEL OF RESPECT WHICH GETS BACK TO THE POINT OF HOW HE HAS CONSISTENTLY DISPARAGED AND DEMEANED MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY, FALLEN SOLDIERS, AND THE WORK WE MUST DO TO UPHOLD THE STRENGTH AND RESPECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AROUND THE WORLD. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR RESPONSE TO HER -- SAYING BEGIN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE TALIBAN WAS KILLING OUR SOLDIERS, A LOT OF THEM WITH SNIPERS. I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE TALIBAN BECAUSE THE TALIBAN WAS DOING THE KILLING. THAT'S THE FIGHTING FORCE WITHIN AFGHANISTAN. THEY DON'T BOTHER DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I GOT INVOLVED. ABDUL IS THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN, STILL THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN. I TOLD HIM "DON'T DO IT ANYMORE, YOU DO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS." AND HE SAID "WHY DO YOU SEND ME A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE?" I SAID "YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, ABDUL," AND FOR 18 MONTHS WE HAD NOBODY KILLED. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED BY MIKE POMPEO. IT WAS A GOOD AGREEMENT. THE REASON IT WAS GOOD: WE WERE GETTING OUT. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT FASTER THAN THEM BUT WE WOULD'VE NOT LOST THE SOLDIERS, WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT ANY AMERICANS BEHIND, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT $85 BILLION WORTH OF BRAND-NEW BEAUTIFUL MILITARY EQUIPMENT BEHIND. JUST TO FINISH, THEY BLEW IT. THE AGREEMENT SAID YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, THE THIS, THIS, AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THE AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED BY US BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON. >> THESE PEOPLE TO THE WORST WITHDRAWAL, AND IN MY OPINION, THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHY RUSSIA ATTACKED UKRAINE, BECAUSE THEY SAW HOW INCOMPETENT SHE AND HER BOSS ARE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO RACE AND POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, YOU RECENTLY SAID A VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS "I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS BLACK UNTIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, SHE HAPPENED TO TURN BLACK AND WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS BLACK." I WANT TO ASK A BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION TONIGHT: WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO WEIGH IN ON THE RACIAL IDENTITY OF YOUR OPPONENT? >> I DON'T, AND I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE IS. I DON'T CARE. YOU MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF SOMETHING. I COULDN'T CARE LESS. WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO BE IS OKAY WITH ME. >> BUT THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS, SO I'M ASKING -- >> I DON'T KNOW. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I READ WERE SHE WAS NOT BLACK, THAT SHE PUT OUT, AND I WILL SAY THAT, AND THEN, I READ THAT SHE WAS BLACK, AND THAT'S OKAY. EITHER ONE WAS OKAY WITH ME, THAT'S UP TO HER. THAT'S UP TO HER. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS? YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> I THINK IT'S -- HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER ATTEMPTED TO USE RACE TO DIVIDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY SAYS -- THIS KIND OF APPROACH THAT IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DIVIDE US, AND ESPECIALLY BY RACE. LET'S REMEMBER HOW DONALD TRUMP STARTED. HE WAS -- LAND, HE OWNED LAND, OWNED BUILDINGS. HE WAS INVESTIGATED BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO RENT PROPERTY TO BLACK FAMILIES. LET'S REMEMBER, THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO TOOK OUT A FULL-PAGE AD IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" CALLING FOR THE EXECUTION OF FIVE YOUNG BLACK AND LATINO BOYS WHO WERE INNOCENT: THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE. TOOK OUT A FULL-PAGE AD CALLING FOR THEIR EXECUTION. THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO SPREAD BIRTHER LIES ABOUT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THE AMERICA PEOPLE WANT BETTER THAN THAT, ONCE BETTER THAN THIS, WANT SOMEONE -- TRAVELER COUNTRY. WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A FRIEND, A NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T WANT A LEADER WHO WAS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO HAVE AMERICANS POINT THEIR FINGERS AT EACH OTHER. I MEET WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHO TELL ME "CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE DISCOURSE ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO INVEST IN THE ASPIRATIONS AND AMBITIONS AND DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, KNOWING THAT REGARDLESS OF PEOPLE'S COLOR OR THE LANGUAGE THAT THEIR GRANDMOTHER SPEAKS, WE ALL HAD THE SAME DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND ONE A PRESIDENT WHO INVESTS IN THOSE, NOT IN HATE AND DIVISION. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. LINDSAY? >> THIS IS NOT YOUR THIRD TIME -- >> THIS IS THE MOST DIVISIVE PRESIDENCY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, AND THEY COME UP WITH THINGS LIKE WHAT SHE JUST SAID, GOING BACK MANY, MANY YEARS, A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MAYOR BLOOMBERG AGREED WITH ME ON THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE. THEY ADMITTED, THEY SAID THEY PLED GUILTY. I SAID IF THEY PLED GUILTY, THEY BADLY HURT A PERSON, KILLED A PERSON ULTIMATELY, AND IF THEY PLED GUILTY, BUT THEN THEY PLAYED NOT GUILTY. THIS IS A PERSON THAT HAS TO STRETCH BACK YEARS, 40-50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING NOW. I BUILT ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, AND HIM GOING TO BUILD IT AGAIN. IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER, BETTER, STRONGER. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY, NO IDEA WHAT A GOOD ECONOMY IS. THEIR OIL POLICY, EVERYTHING THE POLICY. SHE'S TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM BIDEN. I DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN, SHE SAYS CHURCHY IS BIDEN. THE WORST INFLATION WE HAVE EVER HAD, A HORRIBLE ECONOMY, BECAUSE INFLATION HAS MADE IT SO BAD. SHE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU. SPEAK I WANT TO RESPOND, BRIEFLY. CLEARLY, I AM NOT JOE BIDEN, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT DONALD TRUMP. WHAT I DO OFFER IS A NEW GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP FOR OUR COUNTRY. ONE WHO BELIEVES IN WHAT IS POSSIBLE, ONE WHO BRINGS A SENSE OF OPTIMISM ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, INSTEAD OF ALWAYS DISPARAGING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO TO STRENGTH IN OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE A PLAN. LET'S TALK ABOUT HER PLANS, AND LET'S COMPARE THE PLANS. I HAVE A PLAN TO GIVE START-UP BUSINESSES $50,000 TAX DEDUCTION, TO PURSUE THEIR AMBITIONS, THEIR INNOVATION, THEIR IDEAS, THEIR HARD WORK. I HAVE A PLAN. $6,000 FOR YOUNG FAMILIES FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF YOUR CHILD'S LIFE, TO HELP YOU IN THAT MOST CRITICAL STAGE OF YOUR CHILD'S DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE A PLAN THAT'S A ABOUT LUNG PEOPLE -- I HAVE A PLANE THAT'S ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PURSUE THE AMERICAN DREAM BY HELPING WITH A $25,000 DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCEE HOME BUYERS. THAT IS THE KIND OF CONVERSATION I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT TONIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO A CONVERSATION THAT IS CONSTANTLY ABOUT BELITTLING AND NAME CALLING. LET'S TURN THE PAGE. AND MOVE FORWARD. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. BECAUSE SHE HAS A PLAN TO DEFUND THE POLICE. SHE HAS A PLAN TO CONFISCATE EVERYBODY'S GUN. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES. >> ALLOWING FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S WHAT HER PLAN IS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP -- >> SOME THINGS I NEED TO RESPOND TO. >> I'M SORRY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON VICE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT TRUMP, THIS IS HER THIRD TIME RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE LONG PLANS TO REPEAL THE PREFERABLE CARE ACT, AND YOU WILL KNOW SO YOU WILL KEEP OBAMACARE ON THIS "WE CAN DO SOMETHING MUCH BETTER." LAST MONTH YOU SAID "WE ARE WORKING ON IT." NINE YEARS AFTER YOU FIRST STARTED, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IT IS? >> OBAMACARE, LOUSY HEALTH CARE. IT'S NOT VERY GOOD TODAY. WHAT I SAID, THAT WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND ARE WORKING ON THINGS, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AND REPLACE IT. I INHERITED OBAMACARE, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T CHANGE IT. THEY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. THEY WERE UNANIMOUS. THEY WOULD VOTE TO CHANGE IT. THAT DEMOCRATS CAME UP WITH IT. I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT. DO YOU SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE I FELT I HAD AN OBLIGATION. WOULD LET IT ROT AND GO AWAY. I TOLD MY PEOPLE, THE TOP PEOPLE, AND THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE. I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THAT ADMINISTRATION. WE READ ABOUT THE BAD ONES. WE HAVE BAD ONES, AND SO THEY PICK THEY HAVE REALLY BAD ONES. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY DON'T GET RID OF THEM. MAY JUST EXPLAIN. I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE: DID I SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE, OR DO I LET IT RIDE? I SAVED IT. STILL NEVER GOING TO BE GREAT AND IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE. WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PLANS. IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO COST OUR PEOPLE, OUR POPULATION LESS MONEY, OBAMACARE, THAN I WOULD DO IT. >> YES OR NO: YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN? >> I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN. I'M NOT PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING -- I WOULD ONLY CHANGE IT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE. THEIR CONCEPTS AND OPTIONS WE HAVE TO DO THAT. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN 2017, YOU SUPPORTED BERNIE SANDERS' PROPOSAL TO DO AWAY WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE AND CREATE A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. TWO YEARS LATER, YOU PROMOTED A PLAN WITH A PRIVATE INSURANCE OPTION. >> FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AS VICE PRESIDENT PRIVATE HEALTH CARE OPTIONS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAINTAIN AND GROW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. I WILL GET TO THAT, LINDSAY. I JUST NEED TO RESPOND TO A PREVIOUS POINT THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS MADE. I'VE MADE VERY CLEAR MY POSITION ON FRACKING. THIS BUSINESS ABOUT TAKING YOUR ONES GUNS AWAY. TIM WALZ AND I ARE BOTH GUN OWNERS. WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY BUDDIES GUNS AWAY, SO STOP AT THE CONTINUOUS LYING ABOUT THIS STUFF. TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, LOOK AT THE HISTORY AND THEY KNOW WHERE PEOPLE STAND. WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, 60 TIMES HE TRIED TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 60 TIMES. I WAS A SENATOR AT THE TIME. IT WAS UP FOR VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, AND THE LATE GREAT JOHN McCAIN, WHO YOU HAVE DISPARAGED AS BEING -- YOU DON'T LIKE HIM. HE GOT CAUGHT. HE WAS AN AMERICAN LATE HERE. -- HE WAS A LATE GREAT AMERICAN HERE. I WILL NEVER FORGET, JOHN McCAIN WALKED ONTO THE SENATE FLOOR AND SAID "NO, YOU DON'T GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. YOU HAVE NO PLAN," AND WITH A FORMAL CARE ACT HAS DONE IS A LIMITED THE ABILITY INSURANCE COMPANIES TO DENY PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE WATCHING TONIGHT COMING TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS LIKE? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN AN INSURANCE COMPANY COULD DENY IF A CHILD HAD ASTHMA, IF SOMEONE WAS A BREAST CANCER SURVIVOR? IF A GRANDPARENT HAD DIABETES. THANKFULLY, AS I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT AND WE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE STRENGTHENED THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR THE FIRST TIME MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES ON BEHALF OF THE MACON PEOPLE. DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WOULD LET THEM NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES, BUT WE DID. WE HAVE CAPPED THE COST OF INSULIN AT $35 A MONTH. SINCE I'VE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, WE HAVE CAPPED THE COST OF PRESCRIPTIONS FOR SENIORS AT $2,000 A YEAR. WHEN I AM PRESIDENT, WE WILL DO THAT FOR ALL PEOPLE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VALUE I BRING TO THIS IS THAT ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT AND NOT JUST A PRIVILEGE OF THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. THE PLAN HAS TO BE TO STRENGTHEN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, NOT GET RID OF IT -- >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN TERMS OF HER DONALD TRUMP STANDS ON THAT. >> SHE MADE A MISTAKE. AT NUMBER ONE. JOHN McCAIN FOUGHT OBAMACARE FOR TEN YEARS, BUT IT WASN'T ONLY HIM: IT WAS ALL THE DEMOCRATS THAT KEPT IT GOING. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN OBAMACARE. SHE WILL APPROVE PRIVATE INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE. PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE. PEOPLE ARE PAYING PRIVATELY FOR INSURANCE. SHE WANTS EVERYBODY TO BE ON GOVERNMENT INSURANCE, WHERE YOU WAIT SIX MONTHS FOR AN OPERATION. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU, WE HAVE ANOTHER TREATMENT WE WOULD LIKE FOR NUMBER OF AMERICANS TO GET TO. THAT IS CLIMATE CHANGE. WITH REGARD TO THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN WATER. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU CALL CLIMATE CHANGE AND NEXT ESSENTIAL THREAT. THE QUESTION TO YOU BOTH TONIGHT IS WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE? LESS PRISON HAIRS, WE WILL START WITH YOU 1 MINUTE EACH. -- VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, WE WILL START WITH YOU, ONE MINUTE EACH. >> SOME SAY THAT IT'S A HOAX. WHAT WE KNOW IS IT'S VERY REAL. ASK ANYONE IN A STATE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THESE EXTREME WEATHER OCCURRENCES WHO IS NOW EITHER BEING DENIED HOME INSURANCE OR ITS BEING JACKED UP. YOU ASK ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF LOSING THEIR HOME, HAVING NOWHERE TO GO. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF AMERICA CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I AM PROUD THAT AS VICE PRESIDENT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE INVESTED $1 TRILLION IN A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY WHILE WE HAVE ALSO INCREASED DOMESTIC GAS PRODUCTION TO HISTORIC LEVELS. WE HAVE CREATED OVER 800,000 NEW MANUFACTURING JOBS WHILE I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT. WE HAVE INVESTED IN CLEAN ENERGY TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE OPENING UP FACTORIES AROUND THE WORLD. DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO CREATE MANUFACTURING JOBS. HE LOST MANUFACTURING JOBS. I'M ALSO PROUD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF UNITED AUTO WORKERS, SHAWN FAIN, WHO -- PART OF BUILDING A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY INCLUDES INVESTING IN AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS, AMERICAN AUTOMOBILES. IT INCLUDES GROWING WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND AMANDA INCLUDES GROWING WHATWE CAN DO - >> AND NOT CLOSING THEM LIKE UNDER DONALD TRUMP. >> LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THEY LOST 10,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS THIS LAST MONTH. IT'S GOING. THEY ARE ALL LEAVING. THEY ARE BUILDING BIG AUTO PLANTS IN MEXICO, IN MANY CASES OWNED BY CHINA. THEY ARE BUILDING THESE MASSIVE PLANTS. THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SELL MIKE RIKARD INTO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE. WHAT THEY HAVE GIVEN TO CHINA IS UNBELIEVABLE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THAT -- WE WILL PUT TARIFFS ON THOSE CARS SO THEY CAN'T COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. THEY WILL KILL THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS AND ANY AUTOWORKER, WHETHER IT'S IN DETROIT OR SOUTH CAROLINA OR ANY OTHER PLACE. WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO BUSINESS AND MANUFACTURING IN THIS COUNTRY IS HORRIBLE. WE HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE THEY REFUSE -- BIDEN DOESN'T GO AFTER PEOPLE. SUPPOSEDLY, TRY TO PAID HIM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HE'S AFRAID TO DO IT. -- GO BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SON, THEY GET MONEY FROM UKRAINE, ALL THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, AND YOU WONDER WHY IS HE SO LOYAL TO THIS ONE, THAT ONE, UKRAINE, CHINA? WHY DID HE GET THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW'S WIFE? WHY DID SHE PAY HIM THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? 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I BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US. WE CAN CHARTING THE WAY FORWARD. A VISION OF THAT INCLUDES HAVING A PLAN, UNDERSTANDING THE ASPIRATIONS, THE DREAMS, THE HOPES, THE AMBITION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY I INTEND TO CREATE AN ECONOMY, SMALL BUSINESSES, NEW FAMILIES, WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT SENIORS, WHAT WE CAN DO WHICH IS ABOUT GIVING HARDWORKING FOLKS A BREAK AND BRING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET IT. THAT IS ABOUT SUSTAINING AMERICA'S STANDING IN THE WORLD AND ENSURING WE HAVE THE RESPECT THAT WE SO RIGHTLY DESERVE, INCLUDING RESPECTING MILITARY AND ENSURING WE HAVE THE MOST LETHAL FIGHTING FORCE IN THE WORLD. I WILL PROTECT OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS INCLUDING FOR A WOMAN TO MAKE HER DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN BODY AND NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT TELL HER WHAT TO DO. I STARTED MY CAREER AS A PROSECUTOR. I WAS A D.A., ATTORNEY GENERAL, UNITED STATES SENATOR, AND NOW VICE PRESIDENT. I ONLY HAVE ONE CLIENT: THE PEOPLE. I WILL TELL YOU, AS A PROSECUTOR, I NEVER ASKED A VICTIM OR WITNESS "ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT" GIMMICK THE ONLY THING I EVER ASK THEM: ARE YOU OKAY?" THAT'S THE KIND OF PRESIDENT WE NEED RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT YOU AND IS NOT PUTTING THEMSELVES FIRST. I INTEND TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS AND FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN DO OVER THE NEXT TEN AND 20 YEARS TO BUILD BACK UP OUR COUNTRY BY INVESTING RIGHT NOW IN YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> SHE STARTED BY SAYING SHE'S GOING TO DO THIS, SHE'S GOING TO DO THAT, SHE'S GOING TO DO ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. THEY'VE HAD THREE AND A HALF YEARS TO FIX THE BORDER, THREE AND A HALF YEARS TO CREATE JOBS AND ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE SHOULD LEAVE RIGHT NOW, GO DOWN TO THAT BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOUSE, GO TO THE CAPITAL, GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND DO THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO. YOU HAVEN'T DONE AND YOU WON'T DO IT, BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT THE MARKET PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN. YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO FRACK, NOT GOING TO TAKE FOSSIL FUEL, NOT GOING TO DO IT -- WE DOLOMITE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY STRONG WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. GERMANY TRIED THAT. WITHIN ONE YEAR, THEY WERE BACK TO BUILDING NORMAL ENERGY PLANTS. WE ARE NOT BUILDING FOR IT. WE CAN'T SACRIFICE OUR COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF BAD VISION. I ASK ONCE A BOOK QUESTION WHY DIDN'T SHE DO IT? WE ARE A FEELING -- I ASK ONE QUESTION: WHY DIDN'T SHE DO IT? WE ARE A FAILING NATION, A NATION IN SERIOUS DECLINE. WE ARE BEING LEFT OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY LEFT. AND OTHER LEADERS WELL. THEY ARE COMING TO SEE ME. THEY CALLED ME. WE ARE LEFT OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED TO US AS A NATION. WE ARE NOT A LEADER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN YOU HAVE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WE HAVE WARS GOING ON WITH RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. WE ARE GOING TO END UP IN A THIRD WORLD WAR, AND IT WILL BE A WAR LIKE NO OTHER BECAUSE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THE POWER OF WEAPONRY. I RESULTS OUR ENTIRE MILITARY. SHE GAVE A LOT OF IT AWAY TO THE TALIBAN. SHE GAVE IT TO AFGHANISTAN. WITH THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND MAY BE TOUGHEST OF ALL IS ALLOWING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, MANY OF THEM ARE CRIMINALS, AND THEN DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, THE WORST PRESIDENT, THE WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. THAT IS OUR ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM HERE IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. I AM LINSEY DAVIS. >> I'M DAVID MUIR. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING IN THE U.S. AND ALL OVER THE WORLD. FOR US AT ABC NEWS, GOOD NIGHT. >> WE ARE HERE LIVE ON ABC WITH OUR POSTDEBATE COMMENTS. I AM MARTHA RADDATZ. IT'S A LIVELY DEBATE FROM THE ECONOMY, TO ABORTION, AFGHANISTAN. IT WAS HISTORIC, FIERY. >> WOW. THAT WAS QUITE A DEBATE. I AM JONATHAN KARL WITH MARY BRUCE AND RACHEL SCOTT. OUR REPORTERS ACROSS THE NEWS HAVE BEEN UPDATING OUR LIFELOCK LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS MADE. FACT CHECKS. YOU CAN FIND THAT ON ABCNews.com. I WOULD LIKE TO REPLAY THE MOMENT THAT THE VERY START OF THIS DEBATE BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE A MOMENT: THE HANDSHAKE. >> THANK YOU. >> QUITE A MOMENT, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE WE HADN'T SEEN A HANDSHAKE AND A TIME. >> SHE INITIATED THAT. >> NOT ONLY DID SHE INITIATE IT, SHE WALKED OVER TO HIM AND SOUGHT HIM OUT, PUT HANDS OUT AND MADE IT THE FIRST MOVE. >> AND PROBABLY HAD A PLAN IF HE HADN'T PUT HIS HAND OUT EITHER. >> BOTTOM LINE, WHAT DID YOU THINK? >> CLEARLY, WHAT KAMALA HARRIS WANTED TO DO WAS BE THE CANDIDATE OF THE FUTURE. DONALD TRUMP SEEMED ANGRY WITHIN 4 MINUTES, I THINK WE SAW HIM GOING FROM VERY SERIOUS AT THE BEGINNING, NEVER SEEMS TO LOOK AT HER, SO JUST ANGRY, I MEAN REALLY YELLING AT SOME POINTS TRYING TO MAKE HIS POINTS. I DON'T THINK WE HEARD A LOT OF POLICY AND PLANS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT DESPITE THOSE QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHAT YOU HAD WAS THAT OPTIC. YOU HAD KAMALA HARRIS LOOKING OVER, BASING HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE MICROPHONES WERE MUTED WHEN THEY WEREN'T SPEAKING, BUT MANY TIMES, SHE DIDN'T NEED A MICROPHONE. WE WATCHED DONALD TRUMP GET MAD AND SCOWL THROUGH THINGS. WE WERE TALKING LEADING UP TO THIS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD GO, WHAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD SEE -- WHICH DONALD TRUMP YOU WOULD SEE. I THINK HE HAD A PLAN FOR TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE SAW AS A NEXT TERM. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT RUMORS ABOUT PEOPLE EATING THEIR -- EATING PETS. >> KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T EXPLAIN THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WERE OUT THERE ABOUT WHY SHE CHANGED HER POLICY VIEWS ON SO MANY THINGS. PART OF THE REASON IS THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT AFFECTED IN THE BRINGING THE DEBATE TO HER. I AGREE: I THINK HE LOOKED NOT JUST ANGRY, BUT ALSO RATTLED. IN CONTRAST, HARRIS, WHO AGAIN MUCH OF THE WORLD DOESN'T KNOW: HARRIS LOOKED LIKE SHE BELONGED ON THE STAGE, LOOKED LIKE SHE IS SOMEBODY THAT COULD SERVE AS PRESIDENT. >> AND THAT'S HOW THE CAMPAIGN IS FEELING TONIGHT. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN FEELS GOOD TO HEAR IF THEY FEEL THEY HAD A STRONG NIGHT, THAT SHE WAS IN COMMAND, THAT SHE DID LOOK PRESIDENTIAL, AND WAS ABLE, THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE DONALD TRUMP ARE COUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS. THAT WAS THEIR GOAL GOING ON, THAT SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT DONALD TRUMP'S RECORD UNDER A MICROSCOPE, AND THEY FEEL THE STRONGEST EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE EXCHANGE OF ABORTION WHERE SHE WAS ABLE TO BLAME DONALD TRUMP DIRECTLY TO HIS FACE. AND SAID "WE WERE PUTTING WOMEN THROUGH WAS UNCONSCIONABLE." SHE GOADED HIM, FLAT OUT TROLLED HIM MANY TIMES. GOT HIM OFF MESSAGE, BUT ALSO TALKED DIRECTLY TO VOTERS, EVEN -- TO A TRUMP RALLY TO UNDERSCORE THAT CENTRAL ARGUMENT. THAT SHE ARGUES SHE'S OUT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> TRUMP CAMPAIGN WILL BE SEIZING ON THE FACT THAT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DID NOT DO A GREAT JOB EXPLAIN HER POLICY SHIFTS. THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO DEFINE HER FOR VOTERS. VOTERS HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HER POLICY POSITIONS. AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE THING THE VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS SUCH AN GOT UNDER TRUMP'S SKIN, AND THAT IS WHAT HIS ALLIES AND ADVISORS DID NOT WANT TO SEE. I COULD TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK PART OF DONALD TRUMP'S DEBATE PREP IS PEOPLE EATING DOGS IN SPRINGFIELD OR COMPARING RALLY SIZES. THEY WANTED HIM TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY THE ONE HE HAS AN EDGE ON HARRIS: ECONOMY. >> YOU WANT TO GET UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN, QUESTION THE PEOPLE AT HIS RALLIES. THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. MARTHA? >> I HAVE WITH US GOVERNOR TIM WALZ, THE DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. WELCOME, GOVERNOR WALZ. HOW ARE YOU FEELING? WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THE DEBATE TONIGHT? >> MARTHA, I'M FEELING GREAT. WHAT I KNEW, AND I THINK SO MANY NEW, AND NOW MANY AMERICANS KNOW IT'S YOU SAW A PRESENT FOR ALL OF AMERICA IN KAMALA HARRIS. YOU SAW THE CONFIDENCE, THE VISION, THE POISE, AND THE COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE, UNDERSTANDING SHE SPOKE ABOUT AN ECONOMY THAT MOVES US FORWARD, MOVES ALL OF US FORWARD, LET'S EVERYBODY BE A PART OF IT. SHE CONTINUED TO LAY THAT OUT WHETHER IT'S REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM OR HOW WE START SMALL BUSINESSES OR MAKING HOMEOWNERSHIP EASIER. ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU SAW A NEAR 80-YEAR-OLD DONALD TRUMP ANGRY, UNHINGED, AND AS YOU HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING BECAUSE THEY MAKE NO IMPACT ON THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. HE SHOULDN'T BE THE WHITE HOUSE. I WILL TELL YOU, IF IT WEREN'T SO DANGEROUS, IT REMINDS YOU OF AN OLD MAN YELLING AT THE CLOUDS. THAT WAS HIS THING, "GET OFF MY YARD." CONTRAST -- PARIS -- [AUDIO STATIC-UI] -- WE WILL KEEP PUSHING FORWARD. THAT'S THE WAY THE COUNTRY WANTS TO SEE THE POLITICS BE. SHE LAID IT OUT CLEARLY, AND DONALD TRUMP BROUGHT NOTHING TONIGHT: ANGER, RESENTMENT. >> GOVERNOR WALZ, I WANT TO ASK YOU. SHE DID NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS ON ABORTION RESTRICTIONS. SHE NEVER REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. CAN YOU CLEAR THAT UP? WHERE THE HARRIS/WALZ TICKET STANDS ON THAT? >> CERTAINLY. YOU COULDN'T GET ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. THE REINSTITUTION OF ROE VS. WADE, WHAT WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR 52 YEARS. YOU SAW THIS IN THERE. HIM PUSHING BACK TO THE STATES, SHE IS RIGHT. PEOPLE LIKE AMANDA IN TEXAS WE SAW ON THE STAGE IN CHICAGO, HAVING SEPSIS TWICE, NEARLY BLEEDING OUT, SHE CAN'T GET THE CARE. SHE HAS BEEN NUCLEAR ON THIS. EVERY THING DONALD TRUMP SAID IS UNTRUE -- BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON THIS. EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP HAS SAID IS UNTRUE. WITH ROE V. WADE YOU HAD -- -- BUILT NOT DONALD TRUMP. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. >> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TICKET, SENATOR J.D. VANCE, DONALD TRUMP'S RUNNING MATE JOINING US NOW. SENATOR VANCE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANKS, APPRECIATE IT. >> I WANT TO GET TO ONE PART OF THE DEBATE WHERE YOU CAME UP. DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKED IF HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, SUGGESTED THAT HE WOULDN'T, AND IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT YOU INFECT SAID NOT LONG AGO THAT HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE MIX UP? >> I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT HE DOES NOT WANT A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. I THINK IN SOME WAYS, HE FINDS THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS, BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE ASNG ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT'S NEVER GOING TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, AND WHY HE WOULD VETO IT OR NOT VETO IT WHEN HE SAYS IT SUPPOSEDLY HE DOESN'T SUPPORT A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND ONCE THESE POLICIES TO BE MADE BY THE STATES. I THINK THERE IS A DEEPER AND MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THIS DEBATE, WHICH IS THAT YOU HAD KAMALA HARRIS EFFECTIVELY ECHOING PLATITUDE AFTER PLATITUDE AFTER PLATITUDE. THE AMERICA PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THEIR GROCERY BILLS ON PLATITUDES. THEY CAN'T PUT THEIR KIDS IN A HOUSE ON PLATITUDES. KAMALA HARRIS HAD A LOT TO SAY BUT VERY LITTLE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT FOR HOW SHE'S GOING TO LOWER GROCERY PRICES, SECURE THE BORDER, AND MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE IN THIS COUNTRY. SHE HAS BEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS APPEAR SHE CAN'T RUN ON HER RECORD AND APPARENTLY CAN'T RUN ON MUCH OF HER PLANS EITHER BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LOT OF SLOGANS AND NOT A LOT OF SUBSTANCE. >> SENATOR VANCE, WHY WON'T HE JUST SAY HE WOULD VETO THE NATIONAL ABORTION BAN? HAD YOU SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU WERE PUT IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THAT QUE QUESTION? >> NO, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT. DONALD TRUMP THINK THE QUESTION IS ABSURD BECAUSE HE DOES NOT SUPPORT A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND HAS BEEN EXPLICIT ABOUT IT. JOHN, I THINK IT'S SO PREPOSTEROUS FOR THE MEDIA TO FOCUS SO MUCH ON AN ISSUE WHERE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND NOT ON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES AND HOUSING BECAUSE OF KAMALA HARRIS' POLICIES. THIS ELECTION IS QUITE SIMPLE. KAMALA HARRIS AND APPARENTLY THE MEDIA WOULD LIKE TO DISTRACT AMERICANS ON ISSUES THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT. THEY ARE NOT TALKING NEARLY ENOUGH. THIS DEBATE DIDN'T TALK NEARLY ENOUGH ABOUT THE FACT THAT AMERICANS ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD HOUSING, AND A LOT OF THE KIDS ARE DYING A FIT AND ALL OVERDOSES BECAUSE KAMALA HARRIS HAS LET THE MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS TAKE OVER THE SOUTHERN BORDER. THIS IS A DISGRACE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY, AND WE COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER IF WE JUST HAD BETTER LEADERSHIP. WE'VE GOT THE BEST WORKERS, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY, THE BEST NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT KAMALA HARRIS' LEADERSHIP IS SQUANDERING THE GREAT BENEFITS OF THIS COUNTRY. IT'S MY WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO DONALD TRUMP'S LEADERSHIP. >> SENATOR, I ASKED BECAUSE HE HAD NOT BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR. HE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S WHY I WAS SEEKING. LEMANSKI ABOUT THIS QUICKLY. I HAD HEARD DONALD TRUMP BEFORE THIS DEBATE DESCRIBE KAMALA HARRIS AS A LOW IQ INDIVIDUAL, SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO BE PRESIDENT, REALLY DUMB, UNABLE TO PUT TWO SENTENCES TOGETHER. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAW ON THE STAGE TONIGHT? >> WHAT I SAW WAS A LOT OF SLOGANS. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SMART AND KAMALA HARRIS TALKS THEM LIKE THEY ARE CHILDREN PEER SHE REPEATS THESE RIDICULOUS PLATITUDES WHERE IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT SHE HAS SAID, YOU REALIZE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. DOESN'T TALK ABOUT HER PLANS, BUT HER PLANS WHEN YOU ANALYZE THAT THE SENTENCES DON'T MAKE SENSE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T GET FED ON PLANS. SHE HAS BEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. WHAT SHE CAN'T DO, REFUSES TO DO, AND HAS NO ABILITY TO DO IS TO SAY "I ACCOMPLISHED LOWER PRICES," BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T, "OR "I SECURE THE SOUTHERN BORDER, LOWERED HOUSING PRICES," BUT SHE DIDN'T PICK SHE HAS FAILED AS VICE PRESIDENT. THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO GIVE HER A PROMOTION? I THINK THE ANSWER HAS TO BE NO. >> SENATOR VANCE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> BOTH SIDES CAN AGREE ON THAT THIS WAS A CONSEQUENTIAL NIGHT. MORE REACTION WHEN WE COME BACK. 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HE WAS NOT GOOD TONIGHT AT ALL, AND WHAT HARRIS DID WAS WHAT SHE HAD TO DO, WHICH WAS TO PROVE THAT SHE BELONGED ON THAT STAGE, A VOICE THAT WANTS TO TRY TO UNITE THE COUNTRY, AND DONALD TRUMP MEANT NOMADIC SPENT MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE EATING PETS, PEOPLE AT HIS RALLIES AND WHETHER HE HAD MORE OR LESS, THEN HE DID ABOUT THE ECONOMY, AND THAT IS A HUGE FAIL TONIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IS THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS NOW BEING SEEN BY A LOT OF VOTERS AS A POTENTIAL PRESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT SHE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT. TRUMP BETTER GET TO WORK OR HE'S GOING TO LOSE THIS ELECTION. >> CHARACTERISTICALLY BLUNT ASSESSMENT FROM GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE. THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. >> LET'S GO TO FORMER DNC CHAIR DONNA BRAZILE. YOU HAVE CERTAINLY STUDIED MANY A DEBATE IN YOUR CAREER HOW DOES THIS COMPARE? >> I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DEBATE PERFORMANCES I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE AND I'VE SEEN A LOT AND I'VE HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE PREPARE FOR THESE. SHE MET THE MOMENT, SHE SEIZED THE OPPORTUNITY, SHE COMMANDED THE ISSUES, AND SHE DID NOT ALLOW THE FORMER PRESIDENT TO BAIT HER. INSTEAD, SHE LED THE WAY FORWARD, SHE TURNED THE PAGE AND I THINK THIS RACE IS ABOUT TO GET EVEN MORE INTERESTING NOW. >> WE WILL SEE IF IT MOVES THE NEEDLE, DONNA, THANK YOU. >> TO THE OTHER SIDE, FORMER RNC CHAIR REINCE PRIEBUS. REINCE, THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN SAYS IT WANTS ANOTHER DEBATE. IF YOU WERE ADVISING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, WOULD YOU TELL HIM TO DO IT? >> SURE, I WOULD TELL HIM TO DO IT. THE REASON IS, AS I SAID BEFORE, DONALD TRUMP'S NUMBERS JUST DON'T MOVE. I KNOW DONNA IS EXCITED BUT THE TRUTH IS, KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T ADDRESS THE ECONOMY AND THE COST OF LIVING. NO ANSWERS WHEN SHE WAS ASKED ABOUT DEFUNDING THE POLICE, HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT WERE LOST IN AFGHANISTAN, WHICH WAS A TRUE LAYUP, SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FACT-CHECKED A LOT MORE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BLOOD BATH WHICH WAS ABOUT THE AUTO INDUSTRY. SO LOOK, I THINK A LOT OF THINGS WERE NOT SAID TONIGHT THAT SHE NEEDED TO SAY IN ORDER TO MOVE THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP'S NUMBERS MOVED AT ALL. THEY HAVEN'T MOVED AT ALL FOR MONTHS. >> REINCE PRIEBUS, DONNA BRAZILE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> I'VE GOT TO SAY, AGAIN, WHAT A INCREDIBLE DEBATE, CONSEQUENTIAL DEBATE, NO DOUBT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VOTES WILL ACTUALLY BE MOVED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PERSUADABLE VOTERS ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE BUT KAMALA HARRIS HAD A CHANCE HERE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF TO THE COUNTRY, TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHO SHE IS BUT DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE STANDS. IF YOU COULD DEBATE HOW MUCH SHE DID IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHERE SHE STANDS BUT SHE STOOD UP THERE AND I THINK IT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT TO HER CHRIS CHRISTIE SAY THAT SHE ACTED LIKE -- SHE SEEMED LIKE SHE BELONGED. >> EXACTLY AND CHRIS WAS CLEARLY IMPRESSED WITH THAT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE VOTERS THINK. MARLA HARRIS WAS HURLING THINGS AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, THAT HE'S BEEN CONVICTED, JANUARY 6, EVERYTHING ELSE SHE COULD THROW AT HIM BUT IN THE END, RIGHT NOW, HE IS TIED WITH KAMALA HARRIS. DOES THIS CHANGE ANYTHING? WE'VE ALL SEEN DEBATES WHERE PEOPLE ARE VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY DID. HILLARY CLINTON THOUGHT SHE WON THAT DEBATE, MANY DEBATES IN 2016 AND SHE DIDN'T WIN, SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT THE VOTERS THINK. >> LOOK, THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN CERTAINLY THINKS THEY WERE -- THEY PUT HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE, THEY WILL KEEP GETTING OUT THERE AND MAKING THIS MESSAGE, SHE WILL BE IN THE CRITICAL BATTLEGROUNDS LATER THIS WEEK, THEY ARE SO OPTIMISTIC, THEY WANT THAT SECOND DEBATE, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS READY FOR A SECOND DEBATE, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ONE IN OCTOBER, ONE LAST GOADING OF HIM TO END THE NIGHT THE NIGHT. >> THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE. I DID NOT PRINT THAT AT THE BEGINNING. >> BOTTOM LINE, VOTERS OUT THERE WANT A CHANGE. AND BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES REALLY TRYING TO PRESENT THEMSELVES AS THE AGENT OF CHANGE. IF THEY WILL HAVE TO SEE IN THE POLLS WHO DID THE MOST EFFECTIVE JOB OF DOING THAT TONIGHT. >> WE WILL SEE. THAT IS IT FOR US HERE IN PHILADELPHIA, NIGHT TO REMEMBER FOR SURE. OUR RACE TO THE WHITE HOUSE POSTDEBATE COVERAGE CONTINUES ON ABC NEWS LIVE, DISNEY+, HULU, AND ANYWHERE ELSE YOU STREAM LIVE NEWS, AND YOUR LOCAL NEWS IS NEXT. ♪ ♪ >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ON THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF ABC NEWS LIVE, THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. I'M WHIT JOHNSON, WE ARE ALIVE FROM THE SPIN ROOM IN PHILADELPHIA, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PEOPLE GATHERING AND THE SPIN GOING ON BEHIND ME AFTER THE HISTORIC FACE-OFF BETWEEN FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. A PIVOTAL LIGHT IN A CLOSE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, IT STARTED WITH A HANDSHAKE AND A NICE TO SEE YOU BUT THAN THE CANDIDATES HELD NOTHING BACK. TAKE A LOOK. >> SHE WAS BIG ON DEFUND THE POLICE. IN MINNESOTA SHE WENT OUT -- WAIT A MINUTE, I'M TALKING NOW. IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? >> FOR 90 MINUTES, HIGHLIGHTING THEIR VAST DIFFERENCES ON EVERYTHING FROM AMERICA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE FOREIGN WARS TO ABORTION RIGHTS AND IMMIGRATION. THE FORMER PRESIDENT PROMISING TO STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY WHILE HARRIS OFFERED A VISION FOR A LESS DIVIDED COUNTRY. >> WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A FRIEND. WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T WANT A LEADER WHO IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO HAVE AMERICANS POINT THEIR FINGERS AT EACH OTHER. >> AND I'M GOING TO BUILD IT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER, BETTER, AND STRONGER. >> ARE POLLS STILL SHOWING THE RACE AND NECK WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR, INCLUDING IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES BUT THE QUESTION ON MANY PEOPLES MINDS RIGHT NOW IS WHO WON THE NIGHT ON THIS FIRST AND LIKELY LAST FACE-OFF IN THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LIVE TEAM COVERAGE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER AND HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM, WE BEGIN WITH JAY O'BRIEN, COVERING IT ALL. >> TONIGHT, THE HISTORIC FACE-OFF. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP GOING HEAD-TO-HEAD IN THEIR FIRST AND WHAT WILL LIKELY BE THERE ONLY DEBATE BEFORE ELECTION DAY. >> IF SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT, THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF SUCCESS, SHE HAS NO POLICY. EVERYTHING SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOUR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. >> I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING REALLY UNUSUAL AND I'M GOING TO INVITE YOU TO ATTEND ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S RALLIES. WHAT YOU ALSO NOTICE HIS PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE ONE THING YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT, IS YOU. >> TRUMP LASHING OUT. TRUMP IN HIS SEVENTH PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, HARRIS, HER FIRST. >> I HAVE TALKED WITH MILITARY LEADERS, SOME OF WHOM WORKED WITH YOU, AND THEY SAY YOU ARE A DISGRACE. >> THE CANDIDATES CLASHING ON MAJOR ISSUES LIKE THE ECONOMY. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP LEFT US. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST UNEMPLOYMENT AS THE GREAT DEPRESSION. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CLEAN UP DONALD TRUMP'S MESS. AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING UP THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA. >> I HAD NO INFLATION, VIRTUALLY NO INFLATION. THEY HAD THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN A WORSE PERIOD OF TIME, PEOPLE CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY MIXED CEREAL OR BACON OR EGGS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ARE ABSOLUTELY DYING WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THEY'VE DESTROYED THE ECONOMY. >> AND I PLEDGE TO YOU, WHEN CONGRESS PASSES A BILL TO PUT BACK IN PLACE THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE, AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL PROUDLY SIGN IT INTO LAW. BUT UNDERSTAND, IF DONALD TRUMP WERE TO BE REELECTED, HE WILL SIGN A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. >> THERE SHE GOES AGAIN, IT'S A LIE. I'M NOT SIGNING A BAN. I BELIEVE IN EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER. >> AND IMMIGRATION. >> I AM THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STAGE WHO HAS PROSECUTED TRANSNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC HAVE GONES, DRUGS, AND HUMAN BEINGS. >> THEY'VE DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LET IN AND ALL OVER THE WORLD CRIME IS DOWN, ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT HERE. CRIME HERE IS UP AND THROUGH THE ROOF. >> HARRIS MENTIONING TRUMP'S LEGAL WOES, INCLUDING FELONY INDICTMENTS AND ONE CONVICTION. >> I THINK THIS IS SO RICH COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN PROSECUTED FOR NATIONAL SECURITY CRIMES, ECONOMIC CRIMES, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, HAS BEEN FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND HIS NEXT BIG COURT APPEARANCE IS IN NOVEMBER AT HIS OWN CRIMINAL SENTENCING. >> TRUMP DOUBLING DOWN ON HIS LIFE THAT HE WON THE 2020 ELECTION. >> ARE YOU NOW ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU LOST IN 2020? >> NOT AT ALL, I SAY THAT SARCASTICALLY. THAT WAS SAID SARCASTICALLY. >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE, SO LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, AND CLEARLY HE IS HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PROCESSING THAT. >> THEIR DIFFERENCES STARK, MAKING THEIR PITCHES IN A RACE THAT POLL AFTER POLL SHOW IS NECK AND NECK. SPEAK OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO RELY ON A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AMERICA'S ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THERE IS STABILITY AND ENSURING THAT WE STAND UP FOR OUR PRINCIPLES AND NOT SELL THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL FLATTERY. >> I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY ABOUT ME. THEY TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY, I'M A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. THEY ARE THE THREAT TO DEM DEMOCRACY. >> PLENTY OF BIG MOMENTS IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT. JOINING US NOW IS FORMER CONGRESSMAN CEDRIC RICHMAN, WHO IS NOW COCHAIR FOR THE HARRIS WALLS CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, WE APPRECIATE IT. HEADING INTO TONIGHT'S DEBATE THE POLLS WERE SHOWING THAT KAMALA HARRIS STILL NEEDED TO TELL HER STORY, THAT VOTERS NEEDED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES AND WHERE SHE STOOD ON THE POSITIONS THAT MATTER TO THE VOTERS, HOW DO YOU THINK SHE DID TONIGHT? >> I THINK VOTERS DESERVE TO KNOW THE CANDIDATES THAT THEY VOTED FOR AND I THINK SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB TONIGHT TALKING NOT ONLY ABOUT HER VALUES, BUT TALKING ABOUT HER PLAN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I THINK THAT WAS THE BIG DIFFERENCE TONIGHT. SHE FOCUSED ON "HOW DO I HELP AMERICANS DEALING WITH SEVERAL CHALLENGES, THE CHALLENGES OF CHILD CARE, THE CHALLENGES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE CHALLENGES OF RISING GROCERY PRICES" AND I THINK SHE ADDRESSED ALL THAT AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GIVING HER A FRESH LOOK AND SHE DID A GREAT JOB. >> DONALD TRUMP SAYS SHE IS A FLIP-FLOP HER, SHE CAN'T BE TRUSTED BECAUSE HER ISSUES HAVE EVOLVED SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS. DO YOU THINK THAT SHE PROPERLY ADDRESSED THAT TONIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK SHE HIT IT DIRECT ON AND TALKED ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH FRACKING IN HEALTH CARE, SHE SAID SHE WOULDN'T BAN FRACKING AS VICE PRESIDENT, SHE DIDN'T BAN FRACKING AND SHE HAS NO INTENTION OF BANNING FRACKING. WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT HEALTH CARE SHE SAID HER VALUES WAS ALWAYS THAT HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT AND NOT A PRIVILEGE JUST FOR THE RICH AND SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO EXPAND HEALTH CARE, SO I THINK SHE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF GOING INTO HER POLICIES AND HOW THEY ALIGN WITH HER VALUES GROWING UP IN A MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILY, AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE FAMILIES IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW. >> ANOTHER THING HEADING INTO THE DASH POLLS SHOW THAT VOTERS TRUSTED TRUMP MORE ON KEY ISSUES LIKE IMMIGRATION AND THE ECONOMY. KAMALA HARRIS DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF WHETHER AMERICANS ARE BETTER NOW THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO BEFORE JOE BIDEN TOOK OFFICE. IS THAT GOING TO BE A CONTINUED PROBLEM FOR HER? >> FOUR YEARS AGO 50% OF THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY WERE CLOSED. >> PANDEMIC. >> 50% OF THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY WERE CLOSED. 10 MILLION PEOPLE WERE OUT OF WORK. YOU HAD BUSINESSES SHUT DOWN AND NOW YOU HAVE A RESURGENCE, 16 MILLION JOBS CREATED, SCHOOLS OPEN. I THINK WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS DOING, AND SHE DID A GOOD JOB OF DOING IT, WAS ARTICULATING WHERE WE STARTED, WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHAT HER PLANS AND HOW IT WOULD CHART A NEW WAY FORWARD AND I THINK SHE DID A GOOD JOB OF THAT. >> I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LISTEN TO A CLIP, THIS IS THE CANDIDATES TALKING ABOUT EACH OTHER'S POLICIES. >> I DON'T SAY HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NO POLICY. EVERYTHING THAT SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOUR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. SHE'S GOING TO MY PHILOSOPHY N NOW. I WAS GOING TO SEND HER A MAGA HAT. >> THAT'S TO THAT SAME NARRATIVE, THE TRUMP TEAM TRYING TO DEFINE HER. DO YOU BELIEVE, ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT SHE IS ABLE TO CHANGE THIS NARRATIVE GOING FORWARD? CLEARLY THE VOTERS STILL WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE SHE STANDS. DO YOU THINK THAT SHE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS AHEAD? >> YEAH, I THINK SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF IT TONIGHT AND PART OF WHAT A DEBATE IS IS A COMPARE AND CONTRAST. I THINK HE TALKED ABOUT HIMSELF. HE IS STILL STUCK THINKING HE WON THE 2020 ELECTION. IN FACT, THAT WAS THE LOWEST POINT ON THE DALLES WHEN HE REHASHED THAT HE WON THE ELECTION. HER HIGHEST POINT WAS WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT SHE WAS GOING TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL OF AMERICA, THAT SHE WAS GOING TO WORK HARD TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY AND I THINK SHE DID A GREAT JOB TONIGHT AND SHE IS WILLING TO KEEP DOING IT AND SHE'S GOING TO KEEP SHOWING PEOPLE WHO SHE ARE -- WHO SHE IS, I'M SORRY, AND WHO SHE'S FIGHTING FOR, AND THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> FORMER CONGRESSMAN CEDRIC RICHMOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, APPRECIATE IT. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. >> LET'S TURN NOW TO SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT RACHEL SCOTT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES, A SIGNIFICANT MOMENT TONIGHT, WAS THE TOPIC OF ABORTION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LISTEN. >> ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH WERE DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS TO AGREE THE GOVERNMENT AND DONALD TRUMP CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE TELLING A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY. >> SO -- RACHEL, FORGIVE ME, A LOT GOING ON IN THE SPIN ROOM. YOU'RE TAKE AWAY ON WE JUST HEARD RIGHT THERE? I KNOW PEOPLE WITH THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN ARE SAYING THAT THAT WAS A STRONG MOMENT FOR HER. >> YEAH. IT LOOKS AWFULLY BUSY IN THAT SPIN ROOM BEHIND YOU. I KNOW A LOT OF THE SURROGATES THERE FOR THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ARE GOING TO BE GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL, DEFINING ISSUE IN THIS ELECTION. ABORTION RATES COULD BE ON THE BALLOT IN AS MANY AS 12 STATES, INCLUDING SEVERAL KEY BATTLEGROUNDS AND THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE HARRIS, WHO HAS BEEN THE LEADING VOICE ON THIS ISSUE FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, REALLY TAKING IT TO THE PRESIDENT, WHO HAS BEEN SORT OF ALL OVER THE MAP ON WHERE HE STANDS BURIED HIS RECORD IS CLEAR, HE APPOINTED THREE OF THE FIVE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES THAT OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. AT THE SAME TIME TODAY, WHEN HE WAS PRESSED ON HIS STANCE, EVEN WHAT HIS OWN RUNNING MATE HAS SAID, THAT HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN, YOU HEARD THE FORMER PRESIDENT NOT EVEN COMMITTING TO THAT, SO HARRIS DOES SEE THIS IS A VERY EFFECTIVE LINE OF ATTACK, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, SHE STILL HAS THAT DOUBLE DIGIT EDGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES, AMONG LIKELY FEMALE VOTERS. >> AND WHAT ARE THE AREAS WHERE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS STRUGGLED IS CONNECTING TO THE WOMEN VOTERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE UNDECIDED. HOW IS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN RESPONDING ON HOW HE DID ON THAT TONIGHT? >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN INSISTS THAT HARRIS DIDN'T NECESSARILY GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT HER POLICY POSITIONS, THEY CONTINUE TO INSIST THAT THEY ARE DOING VERY WELL AMONG LIKELY FEMALE VOTERS, BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS TO DO SOME WORK ON AHEAD OF NOVEMBER AND IT'S A REASON WHY YOU ARE SEEING THE FORMER PRESIDENT REALLY TURN HIS FOCUS AS HE TRIED TO SAY IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT TOWARDS THINGS LIKE IVF AND HIM SAYING THAT HE WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE FREE IVF TO WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. IT'S A REASON WHY HE'S TRYING TO TURN THE PAGE AND FOCUS MORE ON WOMEN'S ISSUES, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT HE'S BEHIND IN THE POLLS COMPARED TO VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. WHETHER OR NOT HE DID AN EFFECTIVE JOB LAYING THAT ALL OUT TONIGHT, I THINK THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. I STILL THINK THAT TONIGHT THE FORMER PRESIDENT DRIFTED INTO A LOT OF AREAS THAT HIS ADVISORS AND ALLIES JUST DID NOT WANT HIM TO GO INTO. THEY WANTED HIM TO STAY ON MESSAGE, THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS WHOLE BACK AND FORTH OVER RALLIES AND CROWD SIZE OR PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLEGEDLY EATING PETS IN OHIO. THEY WANTED HIM TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. >> RACHEL SCOTT, WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, WE APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. WE WILL BRING IN SENATOR MARCO RUBIO FROM FLO FLORIDA, AND THAT QUESTION, WE ARE GOING TO PICK IT UP RIGHT THERE. WE'VE HEARD FROM ADVISORS AND TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS GOING INTO TONIGHT THAT THEY WERE HOPING THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD STAY ON THE ISSUES AND STAY ON MESSAGE. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE ACCOMPLISH THAT? >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT SINCE 2016. HE HAS BEEN PRESIDENT, AMERICANS HAVE LIVED UNDER THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY, HE IS WELL-DEFINED ON THESE THINGS. AND A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID TONIGHT AS PART OF THE PERSONA. I THINK IF YOU HADN'T DONE SOME OF THOSE THINGS PEOPLE WOULD BE WATCHING THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT DONALD TRUMP. I THINK KAMALA HARRIS IS STILL NOT VERY WELL KNOWN. I THINK -- BUT I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS, REAL VOTERS, NOT POLITICAL PUNDITS, NOT PEOPLE LIKE ME, PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD WATCHING THIS THAT AREN'T DAILY POLITICAL PEOPLE, THEY ARE TAKING AWAY FROM IT WE DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT HER AND TONIGHT WE FOUND OUT SHE EITHER BASICALLY IS THE SAME AS JOE BIDEN ON PUBLIC POLICY OR EVEN POTENTIALLY FARTHER TO THE LEFT GIVEN HER POSITIONS IN 2019 AND 2020 WHEN SHE WANTED TO PAY FOR THE TRANSGENDER SURGERIES OF ILLEGAL MIGRANTS IN DETENTION. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS DOING THAT, WHERE SHE WANTED TO DEFUND ICE. AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS MOMENTS TONIGHT, SHE STOOD THERE AND BASICALLY TOUTED WHAT HAPPENED IN AFGHANISTAN AS A SUCCESS, THAT IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS. IT WAS A HUMILIATION, IT WAS A DISASTER, IT WAS NOT A WITHDRAWAL. IT WAS A RETREAT. IT COSTS 13 AMERICAN LIVES -- >> BACK ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN THE SENSE THAT THESE ARE DATES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED AND NEGOTIATED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. >> THAT'S A LIE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DATES THAT SAID THE TALIBAN RUNS YOU OUT. WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS BASICALLY THE TALIBAN FORCED THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT THAT SHE WAS BRAGGING ABOUT, IT JUST COLLAPSED, THEY RAN US OUT OF THE COUNTRY, GAVE A 72 HOURS TO GET OUT AND WE HAD TO LEAVE BEHIND $90 BILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WERE JUST PARADING AROUND THE OTHER DAY. THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE TRUMP PLAN, THAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE COLLAPSE OF THAT GOVERNMENT DUE TO THE MISFEASANCE, MALFEASANCE, MALPRACTICE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS BEEN FIRED FOR IT. EVERYBODY SEES IT FOR THE HUMILIATION THAT IT WAS, EVEN DEMOCRATS AND SHE IS BRAGGING ABOUT IT AS A GREAT SUCCESS. BUT THERE'S MORE TO UNPACK. 25% OF AMERICANS WHO SAY THEY WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HER, THEY ARE BEGINNING TO LEARN THAT IN FACT SHE WAS NOT BORN ON JULS VICE PRESIDENT, SHE'S BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, OVER 10 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ENTERED THIS COUNTRY UNLAWFULLY -- >> CAN I ASK ABOUT IMMIGRATION? OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT AND SO HAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT. POLLS SHOW THAT AMERICANS, VOTERS, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, TRUST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. DOES IT HELP HIS CASE -- >> IMMIGRATION. >> IMMIGRATION, EXCUSE ME. WHAT DOES IT HELP HIS CASE WHEN HE COMES OUT AND TALKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE MIGRANTS KIDNAPPING AND EATING PETS IN OHIO? >> LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT TRUE AND WHAT HE SAID IS THERE PEOPLE OUT THERE PUTTING THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THE CITY MANAGER SAID THEY HAVE HAD NO REPORTS OF IT BUT THERE ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE, REAL PEOPLE WHO ARE CLAIMING THIS AND THAT IT'S HAPPENING IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, THAT HAS HAD AN INFLUX OR 15 OR 20 MILLION MIGRANTS -- THAT'S THE CLAIMS PEOPLE ARE MAKING AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S POINTING TO. IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT, BEYOND IT, I WAS JUST IN OHIO LAST WEEK AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT SPRINGFIELD AND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS IT'S BEEN A REAL BURDEN ON -- THAT SAME CITY MANAGER I BELIEVE WAS THE ONE THAT CAME OUT AND SAID WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS BECAUSE THEY FLOODED OUR COMMUNITY WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE BROUGHT IN UNDER THE BIDEN PAROLE PROGRAM. THE BIDEN IMMIGRATION PROGRAM HAS BEEN A COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE DISASTER. IT HAS LED TO NINE OR 10 MILLION PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COUNTRY UNLAWFULLY, INCLUDING PEOPLE THEY CLAIM THEY HAVE VETTED WHO TURN OUT TO BE MEMBERS OF A VERY VIOLENT VENEZUELAN GANG NOW TERRORIZING NEW YORK CITY, CHICAGO, PARTS OF FLORIDA, AURORA, COLORADO, AS WE POINTED OUT TONIGHT. IF SHE HAS TO ANSWER FOR THAT, SHE'S BEEN THERE WHEN ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING. DIDN'T THEY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? I WAS DISAPPOINTED FRANKLY SHE WAS NOT PRESSED MORE ON THAT ON THE RECORD OF THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. SHE HAS BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, SECOND MOST POWERFUL FIGURE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WHEN ALL THESE TERRIBLE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO OUR COUNTRY. SHE HAVE BEEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ANSWER MORE. THAT SAID, I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP EFFECTIVELY RAISED THOSE ISSUES IN THE MINDS OF A LOT OF UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO I THINK ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO TAKE IN THAT. >> WHAT ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY, TRUMP AGAIN TONIGHT WOULD NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION. HE ALSO, WHEN ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES IF HE HAD ANY REGRETS ABOUT JANUARY 6TH, DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR HIM? >> I THINK WHAT HE SAID ABOUT JANUARY 6TH IS THAT HE IS NOT WHAT -- NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. >> YOU DON'T THINK HE BEARS ANY RESPONSIBILITY? >> I BELIEVE IN INDIVIDUAL AGENCY. THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE TO PROTEST AND THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF CRAZIES WHO WENT IN THERE TO DO THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE AND AMONG THOSE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE VIOLENT AND THE ONES WHO COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES, THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD SERVE THEIR SENTENCES. IF YOU COMMITTED AN ACT OF VIOLENCE BUT DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T TELL THEM TO GO DO IT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAS SAID. I DO THINK ON THE OTHER HAND WE HAVE TO ASK DEMOCRATS WHAT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE EXCUSING THE RIOTERS THAT WERE BURNING DOWN AMERICAN CITIES, SOME OF THEM WEREN'T EVEN PROSECUTED. >> THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION. >> FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IS ONE THING BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS. IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA THEY IGNORED THEIR OWN LAWS BECAUSE THEY ENTER INTO A DISSENT DECREE AND ALLOW SUPPORT -- ON WHO WAS ALLOWED TO VOTE AND WHEN AND WHAT METHOD AND SO FORTH AND WHEN YOU DO THAT MULTIPLE PLACES INCLUDING HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH, THAT UNDERMINES PEOPLE'S CONFIDENCE, ESPECIALLY IN A CLOSE ELECTION. THAT'S WHY ELECTION LAWS ARE SO IMPORTANT AND NEED TO BE FOLLOWED. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING THE COUNT RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT CONDUCTING AN ELECTION IN A WAY THAT GIVES EVERYONE CONFIDENCE THAT NOTHING HAPPENED THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 2020 BECAUSE COVID CAUSED A LOT OF STATES THAT TRIED TO CREATE FLEXIBILITY. >> THE INVESTIGATIONS NEVER FOUND AN EXAMPLE OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD. >> IT'S ALL MOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND WIDESPREAD FRAUD. THE CLAIM IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THEIR OWN LAWS AND WHEN YOU DON'T FOLLOW YOUR OWN LAWS YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO FRAUD, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO A LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ELECTORAL PROCESS. WHEN YOU SAY THESE ARE THE RULES AND THEN YOU VIOLATE THOSE RU RULES, YOU ARE UNDERMINING PEOPLE'S CONFIDENCE IN THE ELECTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE SIDE COMES UP SHORT BY A VERY NARROW MARGIN. IT'S WHY ELECTION LAWS ARE SO IMPORTANT, TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S CONFIDENCE. THEY WEREN'T FOLLOWED IN 2020 IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS. >> SENATOR RUBIO, THANK YOU. LET'S GO HEAD OVER TO OUR CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT MARY BRUCE, WHO HAS BEEN TALKING TO BOTH CAMPAIGNS. MARY, YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN? >> THEY CERTAINLY ARE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED WITH HOW THIS MIGHT TURNED OUT. THEY THINK THAT KAMALA HARRIS WAS OUT THERE LOOKING PRESIDENTIAL, THAT SHE WAS IN COMMAND AND THAT THEY FEEL SHE DID SHINE A SPOTLIGHT ON DONALD TRUMP'S RECORD, THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO ARTICULATE HER POSITIONS AND PITTED AND GET UNDER TRUMP'S SKIN. THERE'S NO QUESTION SHE DID SUCCESSFULLY GOAD HIM AND SHE WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT, THAT SHE THREW DONALD TRUMP OFF METHOD. GOING INTO THE SPIN ROOM PERHAPS, MAKING AN ENTRANCE THERE AS WELL -- I KNOW YOU WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT, LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TURN THERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SO INTERESTING IS LOOKING AHEAD, WHERE DOES THE KAMALA HARRIS TEAM GO, BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS COMES DOWN TO WHETHER THEY CAN SPIN THIS HOW THEY WANT. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO OUR THOSE KEY INDEPENDENT VOTERS. HARRIS IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE IN THOSE KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES IN THE COMING DAYS BUT THEY FEEL -- THEY ARE NOW ASKING FOR A SECOND DEBATE IN OCTOBER, CHALLENGING TRUMP TO SEE IF HE WILL ACCEPT THAT DEBATE, YOU CAN SHOUT THAT QUESTION TO HIM THERE. AND IN A FINAL JUST SORT OF TOP OFF THE NIGHT HERE, TAYLOR SWIFT PLEATING OUT TO HER 283 MILLION FOLLOWERS THAT SHE IS NOW ENDORSING KAMALA HARRIS, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS HARD FOR TRUMP TO SHAKE OFF. >> FORGIVE ME, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM. IT WHENEVER THERE IS AN AUDIENCE, WE KNOW THE FORMER PRESIDENT LIKES TO BE PART OF IT, SO HE HAS ESSENTIALLY TAKEN OVER. THERE IS A SCRAMBLE. LET'S GO TO JAIL BRIAN. >> MR. TRUMP, WE ARE LIVE ON "ABC NEWS." >> WE THOUGHT IT WAS OUR BEST DEBATE, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING, IT SHOWED HOW WEAK THEY ARE, HOW PATHETIC THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY AT THE BORDER WITH FOREIGN TRADE I THINK IT WAS THE BEST DEBATE, GETTING POLLS SHOWING 92-6, 8 88-11. A LOT OF GREAT POLLS THAT JUST CAME OUT -- PHONE CALLS, A VERY IMPORTANT DEBATE. SHE WANTS TO DO ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE SHE GOT BEATEN TONIGHT. >> DID SHE GET INTO YOUR HEAD TONIGHT? >> 90%, 60%, 72%, 71% SHOW THE POLLS ARE VERY GOOD, BUT BEYOND THE POLLS -- I HATE TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR COUNTRY SO NEGATIVELY, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, THEY'VE RUINED OUR COUNTRY. I HOPE YOU ARE ALL HAVING A GOOD TIME BUT IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING EVENING. >> WHY NOT LET THE PERFORMANCE SPEAK FOR ITSELF? >> MADE AN OBLIGATION TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT NIGHT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT, YOU TALKED -- >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> WHEN REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT MODERATORS, DOES THAT MEAN IT WASN'T A GOOD NIGHT, WHERE YOU'RE NOT PREPARED? >> I THOUGHT THE MODERATORS WERE NOT PREPARED. BASICALLY IT WAS THREE ON ONE. EVERYBODY DID, BUT DESPITE THAT THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE DEBATE WAS -- I ASSUME THE MODERATORS WOULD BE BAD BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE WORST OF ALL THE NEWS NETWORKS IN MY OPINION, AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. >> WILL YOU COMMIT TO A SECOND DEBATE WITH KAMALA HARRIS? >> SECOND DEBATE BECAUSE SHE LOST TONIGHT VERY BADLY. THEY IMMEDIATELY CALL FOR A SECOND DEBATE BECAUSE THEY LOST. SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT BUT SHE IMMEDIATELY CALLED FOR A SECOND -- LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING AT POLLS. WE ARE LOOKING AT POLLS. THE WORST PULL THAT WE HAD WAS 71 THAT I SEE. 71% SELECT 2425. >> SO IF YOU STILL HAVE ME, HE'S WALKED A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM OUR CAMERA NOW, HE'S AT THE EDGE THERE, WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR HIM WELL BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, ASKING WHY NOT COMMIT TO ANOTHER DEBATE, HE SAYS HE BELIEVES HE WON THIS DEBATE BUT THEN HE WAS ALSO ASKED WHY BE HERE IN THE SPIN MOVE. WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET YOU AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO DONALD TRUMP. LET ME TRY TO GET CLOSER. >> WE ARE LISTENING, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN HEAR. >> GREAT DEBATES, I THOUGHT THIS WAS -- [OVERLAPPING CHATTER] I THOUGHT SHE WAS NOT VERY GOOD TONIGHT. CERTAINLY -- WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT -- I THINK IT WAS A BIG THING. THEY WANT TO DISASSOCIATE WITH BIDEN AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT! >> I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH [INDISTINCT] >> ALL RIGHT, SO IF I COULD JUST TELL YOU WHAT WE ARE SEEING, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY STILL HARD TO HEAR. DONALD TRUMP IS ENTERED THE SPIN ROOM, HE HAS CACKLED WITH REPORTERS, CAME OVER TO OUR CAMERA JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO AND NOW HE HAS WALKED OVER TO THE CORNER THERE TO ANOTHER SECTION. IT'S HARD TO SEE HIM, GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE CAMERA ON DONALD TRUMP AS MUCH AS WE CAN ALTHOUGH THERE IS A SEA OF HEADS. HERE HE COMES. HOLD ON. MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT! HE'S GOING OVER THERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE BACK OF HIS HEAD. HE WALKED INTO THE SPIN ROOM, AN UNANNOUNCED VISIT, HE HAS SAID NUMEROUS ABOUT THE DEBATE, TOP LINE BEING HE BELIEVES HE WON, TALKED ABOUT POLLS, NOT SURE WHERE EXACTLY THEY CAME FROM BUT THE POINT BEING DONALD TRUMP MADE THIS UNSCHEDULED APPEARANCE TO SAY THAT HE WON BUT HE GOT ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY BE HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM IF YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A CLEAN WIN AND HE DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, JAY, FORGIVE ME, AS WE ARE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING. WE ARE GOING TO STEP AWAY FROM THIS JUST FOR A SECOND AND COME BACK IF ANYTHING HAPPENS BUT WE WANT TO TALK TO OUR REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS REINCE PRIEBUS AND DONNA BRAZILE TO GET THEIR REACTION TO EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING. NO SURPRISE HE CAME TO THE SPIN ROOM, WANTED TO TAKE OVER AND BE THE CENTER OF THE FLOOR. OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A BIG MOMENT. HE SAID HE WON THE DEBATE IN KAMALA HARRIS LOST BADLY. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS ONCE AGAIN MAKING IT UP AS HE GO ALONG. I'VE NEVER SEEN A CANDIDATE WALK INTO A SPIN ROOM TO TRY AND CONTROL THE CONVERSATION. WHEN HE WASN'T ABLE TO DELIVER, HE RAN IT, HE WENT BACK TO HIS RALLY NOTES. HE HAD NOTHING TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE BROUGHT US BACK TO HIS DANGEROUS, DISTORTED REALM OF BEING. I THOUGHT THE VICE PRESIDENT GAVE A SOLID PERFORMANCE. SHE SHOWED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT SHE HAS THE VISION TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY, SHE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW AND WHAT SHE PLANS TO DO IN THE FUTURE. SHE KNOWS SHE HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO, GOT TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO RALLY TO SUPPORT HER CANDIDACY. SO YOU SEE THE FORMER PRESIDENT OUT THERE TRYING TO GET THE MEDIA TO PAY ATTENTION TO HIM. >> LET'S BRING IN REINCE PRIEBUS BECAUSE EARLIER THIS EVENING WHEN WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THE DEBATE YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE THE FORMER PRESIDENT ADVICE TO NOT TAKE THE BAIT AND TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES. THERE WERE A FEW MOMENTS THERE WHEN KAMALA HARRIS WAS ABLE TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN, PARTICULARLY WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT CROWD SIZES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW DO YOU THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT DID? >> I THINK SHE DID GET UNDER HIS SKIN A FEW TIMES, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP'S NUMBERS CHANGE AT ALL. I THINK THE BIG MISTAKE THAT KAMALA HARRIS MADE IS SHE DIDN'T ADDRESS HEAD ON THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE RACE, NOTHING TO SAY ON IMMIGRATION, SHE HAD NO ANSWER WHEN SHE WAS ASKED ABOUT DEFUNDING THE POLICE. NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT WERE LOST IN AFGHANISTAN. I THINK THAT THOSE WERE OPPORTUNITIES LOST. I DO THINK PRESIDENT -- PRESIDENT TRUMP ANYWAY, CLOSED VERY WELL. HE SAID LOOK, YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHY DON'T YOU DO THE THINGS NOW. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A STRONG ENDING, WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE WAS MOVED TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK TRUMP'S NUMBERS MOVED AND I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK KAMALA HARRIS ADDRESSED THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES IN THE RACE. GETTING MAD ABOUT CROWD SIZES AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IS NOT GOING TO MOVE ANY VOTERS AT ALL. >> WE DO WANT TO BRING IN TULSI GABBARD, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN AND TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISOR, SHE IS JOINING US HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM. YOU HAVE ANY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU DEBATED AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS BUT YOU ARE ONCE A DEMOCRAT, NOW YOU SUPPORT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND YOU HELPED HIM WITH SOME OF HIS DEBATE PREP. DID YOU SEE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DISCUSSED BEFORE THE DEBATE PLAY OUT? >> PRESIDENT TRUMP KEPT THIS DEBATE VERY FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY BROUGHT VOICE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME ON THE STREETS. HOW THIS DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE BORDER COMMUNITIES. A HE COME KEPT COMING BACK TO THESE ISSUES MORE AND MORE AMERICANS ARE CONTINUING TO STRUGGLE. THINGS THEY ARE REMINDED OF EVERY SINGLE DAY, THAT THEIR DOLLAR GOING SHORTER AND SHORTER, IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS IT USED TO BE. THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, QUITE FRANKLY THAT KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO OUR ADDRESS BUT SHE ALSO DIDN'T RECOGNIZE AND ADMIT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE IN THIS POSITION TODAY GIVEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND HARRIS POLICIES, THEY'VE BEEN THE ONES IN THE WHITE HOUSE THESE PAST FEW YEARS, NOT DONALD TRUMP. >> YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION IN THE ECONOMY, THOSE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT VOTERS HAVE TRUSTED -- AT LEAST THE POLLING SHOWS -- ONE WHERE SHE IS VULNERABLE -- WE HEARD FROM NIKKI HALEY, SHE SUGGESTED THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN. TRUMP HIMSELF HAS STRUGGLED TO SORT OF FIND WHERE HE STANDS RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK SHE CLARIFIED A LOT OF THINGS THAT -- SHE TRIED TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE SUPPORTS A FEDERAL ABORTION BAN, HE DOES NOT. TRIED TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE IS TRYING TO BAN IVF. SOMETHING VERY PERSONAL, MY HUSBAND AND I STRUGGLED FOR YEARS -- IT DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR US, IT WORKS OUT FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES. ALABAMA'S COURT RULED AND HE IMMEDIATELY SAID NO, WE HAVE TO PROTECT IDF -- IVF SHE CONTINUED TO SAY HE'S TRYING TO BAN BIRTH CONTROL, ALSO 100% FALSE. SO PRESIDENT TRUMP DID A GOOD JOB CLARIFYING THE TRUTH AFTER KAMALA HARRIS CONTINUED TO LOB LIE AFTER LIE, THE SAME THINGS THAT HE STOOD FOR THAT ARE JUST NOT TRUE. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT MADE SOME FALSE CLAIMS. HE SAID THERE WERE STATES THAT WANTED TO KILL BABIES AFTER THEY WERE BORN. WE FACT-CHECKED THAT A BUNCH OF TIMES EVEN PRIOR TO THE DEBATE. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE STATE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT SORT OF THING. BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. HE ALSO MADE A PRETTY SERIOUS ALLEGATION, YOU ARE A FORMER DEMOCRAT, DO YOU DO YOU THINK THAT DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME AT LEAST IN PART FOR THAT ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT? THE FBI SAYS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS IN THAT ATTACK. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THOSE WHO USE THE SAME RHETORIC TO CALL DONALD TRUMP THE MODERN-DAY HITLER NOT ONCE BUT TWICE -- NOT TWICE, BUT YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE AN FBI INVESTIGATOR TO ADD ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO. PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IF YOU WERE IN A POSITION IF YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED HITLER BACK DURING WORLD WAR II. IF TO THINK THAT ANY PERSON WATCHING THEM CALLED DONALD TRUMP TODAY'S MODERN-DAY HITLER WOULDN'T TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO SAY HEY, MAYBE I SHOULD BE THAT HERO TO GO AND TAKE OUT THIS MAN, PEOPLE I SEE ON TELEVISION, WHO THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON ARE SAYING IS MODERN-DAY HITLER, YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO USING THAT DANGEROUS INSIGHTFUL RHETORIC AND IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME TO KNOW -- >> FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN TULSI GABBARD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. LET'S HEAD OUT TO -- WE ARE GOING TO TALK MORE ON THE ISSUE. AT THE BORDER IN EL PASO RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE, WE APPRECIATE IT. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE EXCHANGES. >> THEY ARE GOING AND VIOLENTLY, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE AND BIDEN LEAD INTO OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, THEY ARE DANGEROUS. >> PRISONS, JAILS, WHAT SHOULD VOTERS KNOW ABOUT THESE CLAIMS? >> YOU KNOW, LISTEN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PRESHOW, BUT THIS WOULD BE HIS FALL BACK BECAUSE HE FEELS VERY CONFIDENT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IMMIGRATION, A LOT OF WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT OUR SPINS ON EXACTLY WHAT THE TRUTH MIGHT BE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YES, WE'VE HAD SOME RECORD NUMBERS DURING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE COMING FROM MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTIONS AND PRISONS. THERE ARE NO FACTS THAT ACTUALLY PROVE THAT STATEMENT THAT HE HAS CONTINUED TO SAY. WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE REFERENCE THE COMMENT, HOW MIGRANTS ARE STEALING PETS AND EATING THEM. THE BIGGEST ONE FOR US HOW MIGRANTS ARE BEING SHIPPED TO THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER FOR THEM TO VOTE. THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT SAY ALREADY YOU HAVE TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN IN ORDER TO VOTE. IF YOU VOTE ILLEGALLY YOU WILL GO TO JAIL. WHILE WE DID HEAR TRUMP TALK A LOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION, WE DIDN'T REALLY HEAR A LOT OF TRUTH HERE. ON THE OTHER SIDE, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, EVERY TIME KAMALA HARRIS WAS ASKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION, THEY WANTED POLICY, THEY WANTED FACTS, STRATEGY FOR THE FUTURE. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE HEARD THAT FROM EITHER CANDIDATE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHICH IS VERY BIG FOR VOTERS. >> AND MARIA ALAYNA, LET'S BRING YOU INTO THIS. MICHIGAN POLLS SUGGEST VOTERS DO TRUST DONALD TRUMP ON THE ECONOMY. TRYING TO WALK A FINE LINE HERE BEING SUPPORTIVE OF VICE PRESIDENT -- >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DID NOT REALLY TALK MUCH ABOUT IMMIGRATION OTHER THAN TO ACCUSE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP OF KILLING A BIPARTISAN BILL BY CONVINCING REPUBLICANS TO SIMPLY NOT VOTE FOR IT OR PUT OUT ON THE FLOOR. BUT WHAT SHE DID SAY IT SHE WOULD SIGN THE BIPARTISAN BILL ONCE IT WAS APPROVED BY CONGRESS AND WOULD TURN IT INTO LAW. IT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MIGRANTS THAT COULD ENTER THE COUNTRY. IT SEEMS LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RUNNING ON DEMONIZING IMMIGRANTS AND GRADING FEAR THAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS, KILLING AMERICANS AND EATING CATS AND DOGS, BUT ON THE ISSUES THAT LATINOS REALLY CARE ABOUT MOST, THE ECONOMY, THE HIGH COST OF HOUSING, SHE DID SPELL OUT WHAT SHE WOULD DO TO IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND DIDN'T REALLY GIVE ANY SPECIFICS OTHER THAN TO SAY THE ECONOMY UNDER HIM WOULD BE BIGGER AND BETTER AND THAT HE WOULD ENFORCE TARIFFS ON FOREIGN COUNTRIES. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES THAT LATINO VOTERS CARE ABOUT, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE SPECIFICS FROM VP HARRIS THAN FROM FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. I THINK A LOT OF LATINO VOTERS OUT THERE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HEAR MORE ON WHAT KAMALA HARRIS PLANS TO DO AND IF SHE REALLY IS GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT APPROACH, WHICH IS TOUGH ON THE BORDER BUT AT THE SAME TIME HUMANE TO THOSE LIVING. >> WE WILL STAND BY TO HEAR M MORE. THANKS TO YOU BOTH. AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ECONOMY OF COURSE ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS OF INTEREST FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE. HERE TO DISCUSS MORE ON THAT AND HOW THE CANDIDATES DID ON THAT ISSUE, ELIZABETH SCHULTZ HE IS JOINING US. WHAT ANSWERS ON THE ECONOMY SPECIFICALLY STOOD OUT TO YOU THE MOST? >> THE VERY FIRST QUESTION WAS ON THE ECONOMY. HARRIS WAS ASKED IF SHE BELIEVES AMERICANS -- SHE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, PIVOTED TO TALK ABOUT IN BROAD BRUSH STROKES SOME OF THE POLICIES SHE'S HIGHLIGHTING. NOTABLY SOME OF THE POLICIES SHE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE ECONOMY FRONT WERE DISTINCT WHAT WE'VE SEEN. SHE'S REALLY TRYING TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN'S ECONOMIC RECORD BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LIABILITY FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. AT TIMES WE DID SEE THEM ATTACK -- HE ALSO DOUBLED DOWN ON HIS PLAN FOR MORE TARIFFS. IT THE ISSUE OF INFLATION, THIS IS ONE WE NOTE THE LEADS ON AND AT TIMES HE STARTED GOING THERE BUT THEN GOT SIDETRACKED BY SOME OF THOSE PERSONAL ATTACKS. WHEN YOU TALK TO VOTERS, WHAT THEY WANT TO KNOW IS THE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ARE THEY BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO AND WILL THEY BE BETTER OFF IN FOUR YEARS. >> AND ELIZABETH, WE MENTIONED THAT "ABC NEWS" IPSOS POLLING EARLIER AND SAID THAT VOTERS TRUSTED DONALD TRUMP'S ABILITY TO HANDLE THE ECONOMY MORE THAN THEY DID FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE EACH OF THEM MAKING THEIR CASES TODAY? YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKDOWN THERE. SPECIFICALLY I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS WERE EAGER FOR MORE SPECIFICS. DID WE GET THAT TONIGHT? >> IF WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE A GRADE ON SPECIFICS FROM EITHER CANDIDATE, WE DID NOT GET THAT ALL, FOR COMP -- POOR, EVEN FAILING GRADE. MUCH MORE WAS ABOUT PRESENTING THIS VISION FOR THE FUTURE FROM BOTH SIDES. WE HEARD VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY. SHE DIDN'T GET INTO A LOT OF THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW SOME OF THOSE PROPOSALS, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE PAID FOR. ON THE OTHER HAND WE HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY TOUT HIS OWN ECONOMIC RECORD BUT ALSO IGNORED THE FACT THAT A LOT OF HIS POLICIES HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WILL BE PAID FOR. NOT A LOT OF MENTION ON TAXES WHEN WE KNOW THAT THAT IS A BIG ISSUE FOR VOTERS AND WILL BE A HUGE ISSUE IN WASHINGTON NEXT YEAR. BOTH OF THEM TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY IN BROAD BRUSH STROKES BUT DID NOT GET INTO A LOT OF THOSE SPECIFICS. THE VOTERS, WHEN YOU ASK THEM, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT, WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT GOING TO DO FOR ME. >> NO TAXES ON TIPS. REMEMBER BOTH CANDIDATES WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. >> DIDN'T EVEN COME UP TONIGHT. >> EXACTLY. ELIZABETH, THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE IT. WE SHOWED YOU DONALD TRUMP EARLIER HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM FOLLOWING THE DEBATE AND WHILE HE WAS HERE WITH US, KAMALA HARRIS ATTENDED A DEBATE WATCH PARTY, TALKING TO SUPPORTERS. HERE IS PART OF WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY. >> WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO. I THINK WE THINK TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY, AND IT KIND OF WAS! BUT WE HAVE 56 DAYS TO GO AND IT IS TIGHT, WE HAVE GOT TO WIN PENNSYLVANIA. AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN PENNSYLVANIA! >> OF COURSE PENNSYLVANIA A CRITICAL STATE, COULD BE MAKE OR BREAK. IT JOINING US NOW WITH MORE IS TERRY MORAN. GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT WE SAW HERE TONIGHT, TALKING ABOUT ABORTION FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR, WANTED IT TO BE A MATTER FOR THE STATES. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE BUT WHO IS HE SPEAKING TO WHEN HE CONTINUE TO SAY THAT? >> HE'S TRYING TO REASSURE VOTERS. HE'S A SAVVY POLITICIAN AND KNOWS THAT THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TRYING TO DISTANCE HIMSELF. THE BEST FORMULA THAT HE CAN COME UP WITH IS THAT NOW PEOPLE GET TO VOTE ON IT STATE-BY-STATE, THAT THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED. HE IS SMART ENOUGH AND A GOOD ENOUGH POLITICIAN TO KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A SAY IN THEIR FUTURE. THE PROBLEM IS, THE COUNTERATTACK FROM KAMALA HARRIS WAS VERY EFFECTIVE, THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, FAR FROM ROE V. WADE BEING UNPOPULAR, ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS, SOMETIMES POLLS SHOWED ALMOST UP TO 70% OF AMERICANS SUPPORTED ROE V. WADE. IT'S HARD TO GET 70% OF AMERICANS TO AGREE ON ANYTHING AND GET ROE VS. WADE WAS SUPPORTED. NOW HE IS STUCK WITH IT, HE'S TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET OUT OF IT. NOW EVERYBODY IS HAPPY THAT THEY ARE VOTING ABOUT IT. THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ELECTION INTEGRITY. AGAIN, THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE LOST THE 2020 ELECTION, ALSO SAYING WHEN HE WAS PRESSED MULTIPLE TIMES FROM DAVID MUIR ON WHETHER HE HAD ANY REGRETS ABOUT JANUARY 6, HE SAID HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. >> AN ISSUE THAT IS BAKED IN, DONALD TRUMP HAS SUCCESSFULLY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CEMENTED THE NOTION THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE 2020 ELECTION. HE BELIEVES IT WAS COMPLETELY STOLEN AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE OTHER FABRICATIONS ABOUT MULES AND STOLEN BOATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NONE OF THAT EVIDENCE EVER HELD UP IN ANY COURT OF LAW AND IT WASN'T JUST BECAUSE TRUMP WAS -- IT'S BECAUSE JUDGES LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE, HE ASKED ATTORNEY GENERAL TO ORDER EVERY DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN AMERICA TO LOOK FOR VOTER FRAUD, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THERE ISN'T ANY. WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS SAYING IN SOME WAY THAT SHOULD BE REJECTED. NOW HIS ALLIES SAY SOME OF THE COVID CHANGES, OPERATED AS DISADVANTAGING REPUBLICANS AND SO THAT YOU CAN REJECT THE ELECTION FOR BUT REALLY WITH TRUMP, WHY? IT'S A MYSTERY, DEEP IN HIS PSYCHOLOGY THAT HE SIMPLY CANNOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE LOST. >> TERRY MORAN FOR US, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THANK YOU. LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAD OVER TO OUR SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT SELINA WANG. YOU'VE BEEN ON THE FLOOR HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM AND RECENTLY SPOKE WITH CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM. WE HEARD DONALD TRUMP EAR SAYING HE WON THE DEBATE AND KAMALA HARRIS LOST BADLY. I'M ASSUMING THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR HAD A VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. >> YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT. NEWSOM HAS KNOWN HARRIS FOR DECADES. HE SAYS THE VERSION WE SAW A VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WE SAW IN THE DEBATE STAGE IS THE ONE HE HAS KNOWN ALL OF THESE YEARS. A STRONG AND COMMANDING AND CALM, BUT REALLY OF COURSE THIS COMES DOWN TO THE VOTERS AND VOTERS CONSISTENTLY SAY THEY WANT THE CANDIDATE WHO'S GOING TO BRING ABOUT THE MOST CHANGE. GAVIN NEWSOM BELIEVES THAT HARRIS DELIVERED THAT AND THAT THIS DEBATE DID MOVE THE NEEDLE WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE CRITICAL UNDECIDED VOTERS IN THOSE BATTLEGROUND STATES. TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT ELSE THE GOVERNOR OLD ME. >> IT WAS A TERRIBLE NIGHT FOR DONALD TRUMP, A GREAT NIGHT FOR FREEDOM AND FOR DEMOCRACY, LIBERTY, THE RULE OF LAW, AND KAMALA HARRIS. >> DID SHE SUCCESSFULLY GET UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN? >> I MEAN, ACROSS-THE-BOARD, CONSISTENTLY. TALKING ABOUT DOGS AND THE CROWD SIZE AGAIN, SOMEHOW BLAMING NANCY PELOSI FOR JANUARY 6TH. HE WAS CONSISTENT WITH HIS PAST, WHICH IS UNHINGED ON THE ISSUE, OFFERED NO COMPELLING VISION FOR THE FUTURE, TALKED ABOUT HIMSELF, DIDN'T TALK ABOUT YOU, SHE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT YOU, ME, THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY AND TALKED ABOUT THINGS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. >> AND GOVERNOR NEWSOM THEY'RE REFERRING TO SOME OF THE FALSE CLAIMS THE TRUMPET MADE INCLUDING THOSE INACCURATE STATEMENTS ABOUT THAT OHIO TOWN, CLAIMING FALSELY THAT THEY WERE STEALING AND EATING THEIR NEIGHBORS PETS AND NEWSOM AND OTHER HARRIS SURROGATES BELIEVE THAT HARRIS DID EXACTLY WHAT SHE NEEDED TO DO TO CONFRONT THE OUTLANDISH LIES, TO BRING THEM TO THE FORE BUT ALSO NOT GET DRAGGED DOWN INTO ANY RABBIT HOLES AND BRING IT BACK TO HER MESSAGE ABOUT THE FUTURE. >> SELINA WANG, THANK YOU. LET'S TURN OVER -- FOR MORE ON THIS WE WANT TO BRING IN MARYALICE PARKS. I'M EXCITED TO SPEAK WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE ACTUALLY IN THE ROOM, THERE WERE FEW JOURNALISTS ALLOWED INSIDE, SO YOU WERE THERE. WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO YOU? >> YEAH, I WAS REALLY HONORED. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE WAY THE VICE PRESIDENT WALKED ACROSS THE STAGE, OWNED THE STAGE OFFERING HER HAND IN THAT HANDSHAKE, SHE SEEMED TO PRESENT HERSELF AS BIGGER IN THAT MOMENT NOT ONLY OFFERING SORT OF A PEACE OFFERING IN THAT WAY, BUT ALSO RELATE TO OWN THE PHYSICAL SPACE, IT WAS INTERESTING TO WATCH HER THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, SHE MOVED AROUND HER PODIUM QUITE OFTEN, TURNING TO LOOK AT THE FORMER PRESIDENT, BACK TO CAMERA, FOLDING HER HANDS, UNFOLDING HER HANDS, MAKING MANY FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AS HE SPOKE, VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT, HE DIRECTED ALL OF HIS ATTENTION STRAIGHT INTO THAT CAMERA, HARDLY EVER IF EVER GLANCED ACROSS AT HER AND OF COURSE VIEWERS LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THEIR INTERACTIONS, THEIR BODY LANGUAGE, THEIR STYLE, AS WELL AS THEIR SUBSTANCE. >> IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST TIME THE TWO OF THEM HAVE ACTUALLY MET IN PERSON, SO IT WAS QUITE A MOMENT. 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