Frank Schwab Pod week one is finally here no more speculation about what might happen we'll talk about our draft shares talk about draft strategy no it's week one we have matchups we have that all coming up next on the rootwire fantasy football podcast with yahoos Frank Schwab joining us next [Music] hey everybody Welcome to the rootwire fantasy football podcast we like to call this the value meter podcast we talk about rankings but we also talk about gamelines player props all that just angles for this week's schedule I'm Jeff Everyone Excited about Week 1 Ericson I'm here with Frank Schwab he is with Yahoo we spent a time on a panel at Circa uh talking ball just having a good time with that we're happy to be uh just talking all things fantasy right now Frank welcome how are you I'm doing great this is one of my favorite weeks of the year I've always said and I give you my Spiel too look the first two days of March Madness are the best day of the sports calendar I say day but you know what I mean I think week one is second i' take week one over Super Bowl Sunday or Conference Championship weekend or divisional round because everything's new all of our fantasy teams are UND defeated all of our prop bets are winners still yes all of our Super Bowl bets are going to come true all the teams like whatever your favorite team is you're excited for something I'm here in Denver everybody's excited for bow Knicks the Chiefs they're excited to threee everybody and there's so much hope in the air and we're going to see so many surprises how do the Eagles use saquan and and how does Caleb Williams look just week one to me is so awesome I love week one every year it's it is my favorite week of the NFL calendar for sure absolutely uh and it's it's it's great opening day is like that for me too in baseball yep love opening day love it like that you know conference tournaments when they start like that Thursday Friday Conference tournament oh and there's like 18 games on at once it's it's a beautiful thing it is awesome but that first Sunday in particular uh when you have all the game you get Sunday Ticket you can watch your game you can watch Red Zone you can you can you know you you don't get the eight grid anymore that's the one thing I miss out on uh I love the eight grid channel for baseball wish we still had it for football but um oh man it's such a beautiful thing that's great it's great and I'm I'm weird and that i i i people make fun of me for 12 years I've done this though since I started working at Yahoo I go to Buffalo wi Wings every Sunday sit in the same seat same Buffalo W Wings the managers How Do you watch games? know me I tell them which games to put on where that's I I I dislike Red Zone because I feel like I'm missing everything you talked about the the quad box and all that that does work but I just like having all the games out in front of me with the electricity of people there watching their watching their fantasy teams watching their favorite teams or whatnot it's just there's something sacred about NFL Sundays I think everybody listening and watching agrees he wouldn't be watching this if he didn't believe that NFL Sundays are sacred and the first one is always the the best one do you go with a crew or do you go by yourself I know my buddy Scott panowski will just go to a bar by himself to watch games at times I will at times if I have to yeah I mean but one of my good buddies out here he's we co a lot of teams and stuff so he'll come out he's he's nerding out on fantasy he's also very very sharp guy so I pick his brain out store like I'm writing too I'm I'll be like what what' you think of this what' you think of the where the Ravens played today and he'll he'll I bounce idea he's he's kind of my uh my my conary there for I'm writing for Yahoo during the day nice I'm at home home I have two TVs one on the well Bengals get main TV always in volume uh but you know then it when the Bengals or have a standalone game it's awesome because then I get Red Zone on one and quad box on the other and then I'll choose what I want the volume on um and all that but I need to I'm gonna be we're we're g to do some uh additions to the house at some point uh someday mythically in the future when we get the permits pressed uh and I'll have my own little area and I'll probably add on to that setup you're going to have that Sports book set up like they have a Circa right you're G oh yes ex size all that kind of stuff Stadium swim is what we're going for there um a slightly smaller pool and board uh but and I can't bet because I'm in California so there you go that's right so that stinks I can't lie to you I don't know if I could do it I'm in Colorado I love it I love being a I can bet the Toronto Blue Jays uh Philadelphia Philly's big game at one o'clock today if I want it's great it's great living t uh Colorado's like one of the best places too aren't there like 18 Outlets that you can do or something they're getting lower by the day let's put it that way but yes there's a ton yeah I think it is 18 I think you're right about that and obviously all the main ones and yeah it's not it's not bad I can't lie to you yeah if you're in the Stream right now tell us how you consume games uh what What's your setup there do you have uh you go to Buffalo Wild Wings like Frank do you watch at home do you you know have your own man cave let us know woman cave as the case may be let us know uh we're going to talk about the rankings uh we're going to jump right into it here week one let's hit the quarterbacks first uh I do a rankings article called the value meter I've been doing that for 20 years it's up on the site right now every Tuesday night it comes out uh Quarterbacks everybody has their own sort of method though how do you go about ranking players uh do you have that sort of Burden or do you just kind of know no I don't I I don't officially rank for Yahoo so I but I do have League obviously I have leagues where I have to make lineup decisions so you have to do rankings quote unquote and I lean on Spar people you in particular Scott panowski is one of a one of ours who rank I I look at his and I try to make an informed decision but they're always my decision I always hate when you blame somebody I'm sure you get a lot of this or of course you get a lot of this where it's like how could you had Joe burrow number three and he only threw for 200 yards you stink it's like well it's your lineup it's your decision you make it I'll I'll give give you all the advice I want but you make the decision I'm glad I don't have the rank like you do but I enjoy reading them because you can always glean something from it and I disagree with you and that's fine too but uh about a couple things but it's yes I I don't do a a you know one through 32 ranking on the quarterbacks because you know who's starting jacobe brette this week anyway exactly exactly Kyler Murray at Buffalo I've gotten some feedback on my article that I may have them too high at seven um I'm a little Kyler Murray @ AZ lowkey worried about the Buffalo defense this year they they're replacing two safeties and they've already lost Matt Milano for the year uh they travius white is gone although they really haven't had him lately um and they haven't gotten a ton out of Von Miller now he he might not even start he might be that pass rush specialist only uh but I haven't been getting but the bills defense in fantasy I understand it's a three-hour time zone difference you know cross country Arizona may not be stopping anybody but I think Kyler gets his points what say you I have no problem with Kyler at seven here I I've have big on Kyler and this Arizona offense as everybody is because game scripts I yes the bills defense is a tough matchup I understand that but the bills are also going to score a ton of points against this Arizona defense so Kyler's gonna be a situation where you know hurrying it up throwing a lot you know he's going to get his rushing yards too he's got Marvin now I'm really interested to see you know Marvin played three snaps around one route in a preseason we don't know Marvin Harrison is going to look like week one but I trust that he's going to be really good I don't have any problem with you Kyler at 7 I think he's going to get his because they're just going to be I assume anyway they're gonna be a catch-up mode and they're almost going to be forced to to play you know play Fast throw it a lot and even if this bills this bill defense is good but I don't view them as oh God I gotta bench my guy because he's playing against the Jets you know they're they're they're good but they're not a I got to avoid them at all costs so I'm wheels up on Kyler I have no problem with him at seven or even even higher I think he's he's gonna have a monster year and it starts on Sunday yeah okay uh and I I have some shares not a lot but he's in that that range where I'm fishing I'm I'm getting a lot of him I'm getting some burrow I'm getting lot some Jordan love here and there I rarely I'm getting the big three I haven't gotten a whole lot of Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson I think I got Jaylen Herz and the Scott Fishbowl but that's a super Flex league so that's a whole different animal I just I don't spend the early pick on quarterbacks what do you do yeah say unless somebody Falls Jared Goff for MVP? unless I'm really like wow Lamar shouldn't have fallen this far if for me it's been Kyler in the mid tier and if I miss on him I'm just going all the way to Jaden Daniels and if somebody Snipes me on Jaden Daniels I'm going to Jared G because I think GF is good I get it pocket quarterback he's not gonna add much with his legs but he's so cheap and I I've picked jarro go to win MVP I've bet on jarro go to win MVP I think jarro Go's gonna have a a monster year he might not give you the rushing Equity but very very good quarterback who you can get uh very cheaply if you miss out on basically the top 12 yeah uh we on the cirer panel together when you were citing the Jared gofri and I tell people what your logic there I thought this was really an interesting point look and I was I was making his case when he was about I think 35 40 to one 11 of the last 12 MVPs have or sorry 14 of the last 15 12 of the last 15 I'm gonna get this right chff 12 of the last 15 MVPs have been the quarterback on a number one seed in their conference two of those MVPs were number two seeds a quarterback and then there was Adrien Peterson who is just kind of the outlier here the last eight MVPs have been quarterbacks from the number one seed in their conference if you believe in the Lions as I do I think the lions are gonna have a monsterous season I think they got a really really good shot to get the no one seed then you have to believe jarro Goff is live for MVP I'm getting him at 3540 to one when guys like Matthew Stafford was ahead of him on the MVP outs the Rams ain't gonna be a number one or two seed it just isn't gonna happen I saw somebody talk about Kyler for MVP well that's great do you think Arizona is going to be a one or two seed because you basically have to be that to win MVP I think the Lions can be one seed and then you're just saying okay it's could be Jared G versus whoever's the number one seed in the AFC now Patrick Mahomes might crush him who win MVP but give me 35 35 to one odds I'll take that with jarro G yeah I the numbers are gonna be there Jeff the number he's 4,500 yards a year the last two years of Ben Johns right and presumably they've improved around him that you know we're expecting a bigger year out of Jameson Williams uh you know just you know full year of Gibbs you know you know fully unlocked we'll see how that that happens year two of leaport uh there's a lot of things a lot of reasons there you know I think Williams is actually a pretty key Lynch pin to this passing offense too and I think he's going to be just great not yeah I haven't been buying him in PPR but I have been grabbing him in any non PPR even half pprs because he's just going to be one of these guys three catches for 80 yards I that's going to be his role and he's going to do really well at it I think yeah I think so too um I have him at 12 this week like the match up against the Rams I don't feel like 12 is an insult I did get some push back saying that I had him too low what say you uh maybe a little bit but you look at these quarterbacks that's the thing about ranking anything I rank teams every Tuesday Power Rankings everybody's like oh this team's too low I'm like okay who you moving down because you gota move somebody down so it's one of those things the one guy can I push back on you real quick yes please do uh Joe Too high on Joe Burrow? burrow at eight okay based on we have to wait for Jamar Chase would you move him down if Jamar Chase doesn't practice today and I just think you're a little high on him because I think that this game's going to get away from New England and it's just going to be a game script game where Joe bur's going to throw 20 times and maybe not to Jamar Chase I think I think you had burrow way too high at number eight great player I'm not saying that not saying he can't torches New England team but their defense isn't bad either I thought that's the one thing I really disagreed with you on your with your r i get that um I think a lot of it depends on okay is burrow 100% is he Unleashed is that wrist truly fine I think it is but and it looked fine in that one preseason game the one time he played I think he's got a lot to prove this year you know they he did a lot of think and dunk especially those first four games uh we all saw those games you know everybody talks about the air yards about the you know lowest average Target depth and all that I think the San Francisco game it was the real Joe burrow if you will um where he did everything he was able to scramble he was able to throw I think he's coming out with a lot to prove um I I I think having Chase obviously changes things not you know taking him away changes things I would probably move him down a couple slots for sure but you'll know I have Chase barried in my rankings because I don't expect him to be play a full game right how could he how could he play his full comp they wouldn't want him to play all of his snaps again this is I hate no NFL team's GNA come out and say this but they know this is a game you should win with or without Jamar Chase right and if Jamar Chase has to play 50% of the snaps because you don't want to look you don't want to overextend him and have him had a hamstring injury in week one like that'd be brutal for you so I don't think he's going to have his normal number of snaps I look if you used to First TR pick on Jamar Chase and he let's say practices by Thursday even you kind of have to put him in your lineup but how could you feel confident about it how could you feel confident that he's going to be Jamar Chase three days after signing a contract I don't know how you could oh for sure uh and I I have 19 managed leagues two of which are drafting tonight the me my final two I've got them in five leagues already I use the my leagues tool on RotoWire by the way it's it's awesome I I know it's I'm not I don't want to sound too Shish but use my leagues um it's so good if you're trying to figure out okay where do I have this guy what's my exposure here I I just need to know the news on my player it it's anything you can use as a tool that direct you you know pick it picks from your plat whatever platform you have it it saves you a lot of time I use it a ton in baseball actually like projected starters things like that it's massive massive timesaver uh but one other what what other quarterback I want to ask you about because I'm just curious your thoughts you have Jaden Daniels at 16 is that something are you fading Daniels this year is this just a Jayden Daniels at 16 matchup issue because I have Daniels comfortably in my top 12 as far as season like you know when you're you're doing your your rankings seasonwide I have Daniels as about my quarterback 11 or 12 so I was a little bit surprised to see him out of your top 12 against what I don't think is a bad matchup but maybe you have more insight on that than I am using a little bit of caution because it's his debut uh I I think Tampa is a better defense than given credit for I think what we saw against Philly in that first round of the playoffs is possible still I think that especially at home I think they're kind of sneaky scary a little bit there I think everybody is pushing is citing regression as a as a given for the bucks this year and I'm not sure it's it is I know that losing Canales hurts on Baker Mayfield but this team was kind of peaking I mean they gave Detroit everything in that they blew out the Packers at Lambo we love the Packers this year yeah Buccaneers took them I mean that was early December I think it wasn't early in the season that was yeah team that got considerably better as the season went on that's that's that's something I like I don't think they lost a lot of personel I think their offensive line got better that rookie Center looks great um so granted he is a rookie in his own right there so we'll see but I'm kind of sneaky bullish on the bucks so I think that's part of it for me okay okay because somebody with a lot of Jaden Daniel shares I was like oh 16 Jeff what are you doing to me because I playable confidence this week yeah I I I don't trust the Washington coaching staff entirely either Dan Quinn hasn't earned that yet um so I but I I have my exposure to Daniels as well I have have like three like three or four shares of him so and and most of those are single quarterback league so that's that's significant enough um so I I am not bearish on him I just a little cautious Caleb's out of my top 12 too I love Caleb um just kind of easing in a little bit there um any like is is there a late late like okay he's your backup or your number two quarterback in a super Flex league is there any one of those that you like for this week or just like generally that you've been adding a lot it's been darnold because he's just free I nobody wants Sam darnold and I get it Favorite Cheap QB I understand but when you look at Sam darnold's his Supporting Cast he has a coach I really trust obviously the running game's pretty good to take some pressure off him the offensive line is not bad the Vikings offensive line is not bad you're throwing to the best receiver on the planet uh Jordan Addison I don't think he's gonna be suspended at this point hackinson will be back at some point so it just lines up for me where darnold situation is so good I don't think he fails I don't know this is kind of the difference between fantasy and reality in my mind I don't think we get to the end of this season and the Vikings are like oh Sam darnold or J.J McCarthy next year we don't know I don't think Sam darnold's gonna be that good but I think his numbers are GNA be there I think the numbers are gonna be there for for where you're getting Sam darnold he's he's gonna exceed what you've paid for him you're gonna get a return on investment there also I mean not Levis I'm in on I'm not actually out on Bryce young either like we've given up on Bryce young being good right I agree why one year yes Stout's better okay I grant you that the Carolina Panthers went out and got Deonte they drafted a running back tight end and receiver with valuable picks they spent a ton of money on the interior line they got a good coach is it that crazy to believe the number one overall pick of last year's draft could be solid this year middle of the road I don't think so I I'm not investing a ton in it but you don't have to he's if you're playing a two quarterback or super Flex he's probably your third quarterback and I think he could be pretty sneaky good from that uh from that uh that price point I agree actually um uh and I think you know having an just nonchaotic coaching staff offensive coordinator situation there uh I think will benefit him a lot too we'll see and I'll say I I'll say this too just for week one I I think we're talking about Bryce young I think he could have a nice game I I'm really really down on the Saints this year I think I think the Panthers win at the Saints straight up I think they're gonna I think they're gonna win week one I you know I agree with you because I said Dennis Allen's the first coach to get fired from that panel so um I I'm with you 100% lock step on that uh I could I could go on forever but the man won't let us we got to talk running backs before we do that though quick note from our friends at Underdog are who's going to be with us in all of September and October we're proud to partner with Underdog for the NFL season Underdog fantasy is the easiest place to play fantasy sports it's 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I can do so I'm I am excited about that let you do that that's that's so nice of them it is must be 18 or older 21 plus Massachusetts Arizona 19 plus Alabama Nebraska and present in a state and present in a state where Underdog fantasy operates terms apply they always apply concerned with your your play call 1 1800 Gambler or visit www NCP gaming.org Arizona 1800 Next Step 1800 639 8783 or text next step to 53 342 in New York call the 247 hopeline at 18778 Hope iny or text Hope and Y 467 369 thanks to Underdog for their sponsorship I'm here with Frank Schwab we are talking about week one running backs Running Backs right off the top a guy I love Breece hall guy I don't matchup I don't love San Francisco do you play the matchups with your Elite one I mean obviously you're starting Bree Hall that's a thing I I mean I'm not going to buy him in DFS let's put it that way but right I when you have guys like Bree Hall beon CAC Breece Hall - Elite Backs with Tough Matchups obviously seax had a tough match up this week yeah but you just play you just I don't I don't think any if you're if you're benching Bree Hall this week you're overthinking it or you have one of the deepest teams I've ever seen so yeah it's it's one of those where you just hope like all right it's a tough matchup but you got to come through for anybody you gotta you go at least I don't think yeah I think it's very aggressive to have these guys one and two you have mcaffry one Breeze two and I get it I I understand it I I think it's aggressive though I don't think they're gonna be if they do that um trust me I'd be very happy but I I just don't think they're gonna get there as far as top five finishes but you still have to play them what are you G and that that's kind of the basis for the ranking there especially in week one we have certain assumptions about teams and about the season but at the same time like do we over do we how much do you emphasize the matchups in week one versus the player that was kind of where was at least at the running backs there because it's such a position of volume and opportunity too mcaffrey got uh they got Williams back in the fold is there enough time for them to play full-time at left tackle we'll see but it's obviously such a a big difference when they have them and when they don't have them so I was happy to see that if you have maccaffrey anywhere um yeah you're probably right i' I'd say the odds are still against but then right and I get it I understand these are two of The Bean to those those are Christians Christian's on a tier all by himself and then the next tier is all by itself in my opinion like it's be on its Bree and yeah I I get ranking up very high being aggressive with them because the talent is there and you know the the gra games SCP could work out where they catch a ton of passes either one of these guys so I'm interested to see it I just I'm worried yeah you're obviously worried we have a really really tough matchup out of the gate for your first- round pick yeah and it's also one of those things like yeah I I think you if you could say versus the field they probably aren't top five but then selecting which ones are going to go ahead of them is always thep part of that equation too um who's a who's a matchup that you really do like quite a bit you know I I I do like that Kyren Williams at 7 everybody likes Anan I I would I wanted to go more the the other way because you have two guys ranked pretty high first I just want to start with Kiren okay because as I as I went through the draft process I'm in about as many leagues as you manag leagues and stuff so I I saw as the drafts went on Kiren got cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and it's almost like I had to resist grabbing them everywhere I'm not even I don't even love Kiron this year I I think he's he's good but I also worry about Korum I worry about him staying healthy after the foot stuff this offseason you have him number seven against I think a good Detroit team added DJ reader I think is going to be a really big thing for the run defense is it just you really like Kiren or you really like this matchup because I was I was a little bit surprised you had kyen all the way up at seven based on on kind of the negativity surrounding him coming in this I got some P I'm getting some push back from my colleague Jim Coventry too we're doing a a video later on about this uh I think the The Narrative on Kiren why he got pushed down is more from a long-term perspective it isn't necessarily for like what he can do when he's fully healthy he's fully healthy right now I think the the reason why you downgrade Kiron and drafts is for the long term is for the okay does he hold up I think he's there now um and I think sea McVey will use him heavily I I I I think whenever he's had a healthy Kiren Williams the usage has been there the performance has been there I don't expect that to change I you know I I expect korm to work his way in eventually I think eventually is the the doing a lot of work here though I don't think it's in week one I I could see that I I mean I just you're right mcvey's thing is one back like I'm not taking him off the field because I don't want to show my hand and I don't want to I just want one back to play and so that's kind of why I've been buying a little bit of Kiren but corm is out there and it's tough one guy I want to talk about real quick is jir Gibbs y 12 do you are like how what's your worry Worry scale on Jahmyr Gibbs? scale with jir Gibbs I mean he could he could be your number one guy this week or he could be in the 20s if he isn't really healthy I don't know like it's everything sounds good for jir Gibbs but I I just worried about him you have play him he's your first or early second round pick where are you at on jir Gibbs coming in the season I have him in one league and it's because he slipped to the middle of the third round or like 3.3 um and and because I also I was I think that's where he belongs is like the end of two beginning at three um I don't think he should be end of one beginning at two even before the hamstring thing popped up because I worry about the usage a little bit there you're banking on a lot of long touchdowns which he did last year yes he still ended up with 12 touchdowns but man uh you're right you're are I'm Bing on that so yeah there's a little bit of concern there um which is why I'm a little lower than the pack on him uh typically like five or six yeah yeah I I think I trust him enough to bump him up a little bit but I do want to see it week one I don't have a lot of shares of him either I was just drafting other guys in that spot one guy I do think I'm Tony Pollard - jump on receiving prop; move up from 27? higher on than you is Tony Pard you have him down I believe at 27 uh one prop if I can go out of a prop real quick his receiving yards if you could find it is 9.5 Tony per doesn't catch 10 yards this week I will be blown away because you could see the way they want to use him they kahan's going to use his backs out of the back field like it was on display in the preseason I think Po's be po looked explosive remember this is a guy we were excited to draft in a first round late first round last year I did I didn't get a great return on investment from it but I don't want to feel like I got burned so I'm not going back that well again and I get Spears is there and he's a very good player and they've talked about splitting to workload but all backs are splitting workloads at this point except for a handful of guys I I think Pard has a two-third share of that pie I think he's gonna catch a ton of passes because that's what they showed in a preseason I think that Callahan's going to use both of his backs that way as pass catchers I think Pard is is set up for a really really nice season and because I think because people were burned on him last year he's not going very high but I I wondering your thoughts on Pard because I've really really warmed up to him through the he's the one guy through the preseason watching him play watching how they used him reading the reports I actually warmed up a lot the Tony Pard through August so I fish in this tier a lot I starting with Montgomery at 19 I have plenty of Montgomery Connor Ford have some Nai I do have some par I've got some Devin single t i I like a lot of these backs in this range so I I I almost feel like shaking dice in a cup and you know seeing which one lands on top a little bit there but um I don't need to do that visual Again by the way that was kind of silly but um I I I I could see it I could see you know I could see a lot of these guys in the 20s doing just as well as Alvin cimo James Cook and Aaron Jones yeah uh who you're paying two rounds more for um and that's why I was happy structuring my team I'd go running back hero often go get go get Breeze Hall early on maybe maybe you get Jonathan Taylor if you're drafting towards or towards the end of the first round and then loading up those wide receivers and making sure you get get your three or four or even five receivers before the drop off comes uh because there is a a significant drop off at wide receiver after about 40 45 or so whereas I I feel very comfortable with some of the r Running Backs from getting in that range so get as many of those guys as possible I need to ask you the question You' probably been asked the most this offseason because of who your favorite team is and I laughed out Who is the Bengals RB? loud when I saw you had Zack moss and Chase Brown 30 and 31 because you don't seem to know either no who is the guy to own here because this is I felt dumb saying this but I would get to that point in the draft and people would be like who do you like you moner brown and I was like I've drafted him 5050 one of them's gonna hit and and half of my leagues I'm gonna be happy half I won't I just didn't want to take a stand on I think it's Chase brown or I think it's Zack Moss what say you because this is your team there's been really nothing out of that camp that gives me any indication on what the split's gonna be I think the stand in is the stand is there's no stand um one week it'll be Moss one week it'll be Brown by week um I I I you know there was a lot of early training camp hype on Chase Brown and Brown leap frogged Moss by like a round or two for a while that seems to have come back together uh people freaked out yesterday on Twitter because they saw Moss listed one on the depth chart and Chase Brown as the kick returner also uh you know I'm old enough to remember two months ago when we thought being a kick returner was a good thing too because of the new kickoff rules so depth charts mean nothing from coaches nothing not at all do not trust me I I covered Mike Shanahan for seven years depth charts mean nothing he will all we're gleaning for that little nugget that's all we're looking for don't worry about that I just would you okay let me ask this if we I have a lot of hero running back where I took one of the Bengals backs right and I almost have to make the decision would you play Moss this week would you play Brown this week I think game script is going to be good for the Run game with with the Bengals obviously I I'm comfortable playing either one where I have to would you confidently play either one or both no not confidently not that's the wrong word not confidently uh like I'm taking Jerome Jerome Ford over both of them and without really much hesitation uh keeping in mind too that Dallas had some really bad games against the run last year uh as good of a defenses they had I'm guessing you'd play I I haven't seen where he is with chuba hubard ahead of Bengals guys no I have chuba at 34 so I like chuba more than you then I have I love chuba I have like five Leagues with him but yep and you know guys like I mean I'm I'm deciding between or Rico Dowell I mean I these are the guys if you do hero running back you hope it comes together by week four five six or Beyond yeah week one you're like I don't know who to start hopefully you land on the right one yeah right yeah that's tough yeah and so I'm I'm trying to guess usage which is just a you know Chris Harris is just yelling at me right now don't do that look at the skills um and he's probably right he's probably right yep he's a smart smart human and nice man so um makes sense um so yeah I I think I I think if you're swinging for the Home Run Brown's the guy I think if you're looking for the Quasi safe guy there's no such thing as safe but Zach Moss is a little safer than brown but I I kind of get the feeling that this is my guess we're all guessing I think Moss gets the first carries I think he gets but I think Brown they both have about 12ish carries against New England I think Brown plays better and then we're all guessing again in week two like does this mean more for brown in week two or whatever so but I do think I just think Brown is the better back I think Moss is more reliable he's safer but in a game like this the Bengals again can say let's see what Chase does with 50% of the snaps and see if he does well and I think he will I I think ultimately he's going to end up being the guy I just don't know what it's going to be early in the season yeah so many so many variables there I mean there's a new offensive coordinator there so you knowand as you alluded to is in Tennessee and he's a hot hand he said he's going to be a hot hand guy even though Mixon was just like a Workhorse back even though he said he'd go hot hand there's one year where uh he split the carries basically but for the most part Mixon was always a work a so we'll see what yeah happens in both Tennessee and ciny there's a couple of those teams where it's just like he could be good you know the Washington won the Pittsburgh situation we're always kind of Co pittsbur I'm I'm heavy on nii I just I kept getting him at that nobody wants Nai Harris but the Warren injury the the fact that Arthur is going to run the ball run the ball run the ball nai's fine volume guy he's not a great player but he's a fine volume guy uh one situation I am curious about the most curious about in week one might be the Bears uh because yeah the way they played it in the preseason was strange to me it almost was like DeAndre Swift is going to be kind of our our catching he's gonna catch he's gonna get some carries obviously but he's gonna catch the ball mostly and Herbert's gonna be our grinder and we thought I mean when I when they signed Swift I thought for the money they gave him was good running back money I thought he's going to be their every down guy they're going to run him a lot and then in preseason I I I backed off of Swift I'm like I I think Herbert's going to get a lot bigger piece of the pie than we expect only League I have Swift is a dynasty League that I've had him forever it's hard the Bears running back room is hard and I saw people drafting Roshan late too and I'm like I get it I understand like he's a talented he might be the most talented of at least more talented at Herbert although I like Herbert as a runner yeah it's that's one of those back fields week one I'm going to definitely be watching the Bears to see how they split that workload Herbert was one of three backs that I kept in mind like okay maybe he'll get cut and land in a better situation in Dallas something like Herbert Kendry Miller and then Elijah Wide Receivers Mitchell and Mitchell's out for the season Miller's on IR for four games so it's down to Herbert and he stayed with the Bears so who knows he's gonna have a role he's Herbert's gonna have a role I don't think there's any question about that he's a flying the ointment Bas he's he's a good player he is he is absolutely all right we're going to talk receivers next but of course we have another note to share this time with our good friends over at verse fantasy why wait all season to win in 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on the all all sorts of podcasts and videos over at Yahoo Frank let's talk wide receivers here uh we got drama we still have one unsigned free uh wide receiver Jamar Chase uh as we speak we're you know the Bengals are about to start practice I I'm I've been kind of like side eying Twitter a little bit sell me if you find it yeah I haven't yet uh but yeah uh it's it's one of those like please please just sign him just sign the man pay the man you know you're gonna pay him he Ian raport as we speak tweets out Jamar Chase is walking out to practice now wow that's huge that's huge for the Bengals I mean you hope that they they still deal in good faith with Jamar Chase I want see him get paid he deserves to get paid he's a great player so I want to see T get paid too but that's another story yeah that's tough that I think Burton's going to be awesome in Dynasty leagues 2025 wheels up for Germaine Burton probably not this year because of iosivas did I get that blew it you know I was gonna you were so close closer than most people need you don't go IO cus or anything Full use of CeeDee Lamb in Week 1? like that or um real quick I before we get you know because everybody's starting CD lamb but do you expect normal CD lamb week one I think I do I I do too I think the Jory Epstein my uh my colleague talked to Stephen Jones and he said and this this quote got me so excited for all my lamb shares he basically said we're paying this guy if you're paying a receiver like that he's got to catch 789 maybe sometimes 15 balls a week and I was like okay the the Cowboys are like all right CD we gave you 34 million you're gonna earn it we're going to throw you the heck out of the ball not that they didn't last year but this year I think that I think lamb is a great offensive player the year bet I think he's a great bet to lead lead the NFL in receptions I think he led last year I think he could again he's just I think yeah you gota you're going to play CD lab regardless but I didn't know if there was gonna be any kind of snap limitations week one and I don't I'm with you I don't really think so yeah that roster exemption thing is kind of just because they can sort of thing uh but I look yeah I have them actually at three and not one this week just because of slight maybe he gets a match that Cleveland defense good that Cleveland defense is really good I I think Cleveland wins that game but again I don't know what Deshawn Watson looks like these days so maybe that's a bad pick he's that's the one team I will Browns discussion say real quick the Browns were the team through the offseason I kept all you know every Everybody ask you what team you what team do you like I said I think the Browns might be the best team in the AFC I really believed it at the time and then nobody had a worse August than deshun Watson as far as like there weren't any positive reports out of their Camp no didn't play it all in the preseason sat out the last preseason game because the shoulder still hurting like I'm like I got I got to back off all this brown stuff like they're just I can't until I see DeShaun Watson Play and play reasonably well yeah and he even got paid more this year too just to help them they're so they're in such bad shape with that that that it might end up going down as the worst trade and the worst contract in NFL history I at least they're like aggressive in terms of like just paying the cash so they can minimize the cap hit a little bit but bad shape it's you know it's billionaires money so at least that that the money you know but I mean what I think there's there's a lot of people wonder and I I don't know if it's fair or not but does Watson even really want to play um I wonder that I wonder where his head's at too there was a lot look last year I had I cut some heat from some people but when it was like the Browns were pretty much like yeah he might play this week and Watson's like nah I'm not gonna play this week like it was just weird vibe of you know usually for like I I get it you're you're all about your health and all that kind of stuff but there were a lot of weeks when you're were like could Watson play and he just doesn't want to and it's a guy like this isn't the end of be all but he's already gotten paid he's guaranteed all his money like he's not a he's not a guy at the end of his rookie deal who's kind of not wanting not to get hurt like he should have been out there playing every week like I I don't I don't know there was just a weird vibe with Watson last year and it's moved on to August this year and I I'm really really worried about that Cleveland team as far all those owners must hate the haets too because it it it forever changed s like Elite player contract negotiations because it demonstrated yes you can pay them the guaranteed money and make this work um and you know because it's it's just it's it's cash up front it's a way to get around the cap and the cap is not real we know this but the C the Browns took it to an extreme so um is interesting do you have any Amari Cooper I mean how worried are you if you have Cooper uh a little bit worried and you know amar's what he is he's always an up and down guy he's going to have some Splash weeks but he'll have some some rough stretches too I got him in a few spots I was always drafting you know guys a little more exciting I guess and that this is the same let me ask can I ask you about a few guys who of course like you know I mean I play on Yahoo fantasy football JSN - Shakir - Worthy because I'm a company man and you know they send out the alerts when your guy scores a touchdown which I really really like I have Jackson Smith and jiga in so many leagues that my phone might literally catch on fire if he scores a touchdown Which he hopefully will this season my two most rostered players I can tell you without looking my league side Ro wire easily jsn and Khalil Shakir easily like I I was getting them everywhere after Amari Cooper I mean not in that same tier but and the third guy who I think's going to have a huge week is Xavier worthy because no Hollywood Brown and I I just think Baltimore's gonna be a little surprised by his speed and I think K's Really Gonna feature him I do but T so those three guys are all between I believe 38 and 44 in your rankings where you at on all three of those guys where you play them week one like Shakir has a wheels up matchup against Cardinals Cardinal defense is the worst in football I I believe that I think they're going to be absolutely terrible this year on defense so I think you almost def fault to starting anybody playing against the Cardinals who's viable where are you at with them this week though like would you start Shakir over you know Chase Brown and Zack Moss type of running back if you have a flex option or anything like that yeah these guys are all in the same Zone uh 38 to 44 how was surprised you were so low on jsn I can't lie 44 was low to I have them though and it's just the thing is I I I'm I I get the logic behind it I'm our friend and colleague your colleague our former colleague dton ddon was writing how he's bullish on the Seahawks and I get it especially because they're going to use more pre- snap motion they're going to run play faster they're going to have more snaps um I I maybe I shouldna get San's gonna get DK right if you travel ctan gets DK he's not gonna get jsn so I guess it's just like Who you gonna move him over is more no that's true that again when we do rankings I say oh because JS set a 44 well okay you gotta move someone down and I get that I do so I'm not trying to be one of those guys complaining so it's great it's good exercise like scary versus jsn I'm GNA I'm going to go with the number one yeah I i' I'd go mcor there too but courand Sutton in that same game jsn I go jsn okay okay that's fair I just don't trust I don't trust hon with quarterback I think B knck is gonna go into Seattle and just get torn apart but Mike McDonald I just had the ult we' talked about this on that panel I have the ultimate respect for Mike McDonald and you're telling me a rookie quarterback going against a Mike McDonald defense even if it's their first time running that defense I I that home crowd in Seattle have you have you been to a game in Seattle no I have not oh my goodness it's it's so loud it is so loud and crazy and it's week one so there's enthusi new coaching regime and all this kind of stuff I think B I think that I think Seattle's one of my Best Bets in week one just because I think they're gonna blow out the Broncos I think does that mean they run the ball more though it could be yeah it could I I mean we might get to that point where game scripts out and that always stinks but yes I I but I just I generally just kind of believe this is jsn I'm I love I've had everybody in the fantasy Community who sharp has loved Tyler ET the past few years and benefited from him but you got to be off of him now I just think it's time like he's just the type of receiver is not going to age well 32 and now he's dealing with the knee stuff so that bumped jsn for me I don't really believe in Noah Fant I do believe in this offensive coordinator what they're doing on offense I think there G be gonna be a lot more volume that's just that's why sha why jsn is awesome and I don't think anybody really disagrees I don't think you disagree with me you like jsn I I agree and my my radio co-host Nick whan is also in jsn nation um so I've heard I I heard and agree with the Spiel uh I I have them in like three leagues so but the good thing is I do an update on my rankings every Thursday so I reserved a right to hear good feedback like this and adjust accordingly or just according to the news like I had uh Chase barried in the rankings now I got to figure out where I I'm G to put him yeah now you gotta put him well where do you where do you because I I thought it was funny because I would the I think but maybe the first thing I looked at was where does Jeff have the Packers receivers ranked because that is one answer oh I know have not been a I I can't I I have almost no shares of any of them except Wix because he was the cheapest one so I Packers WRs kind of kept grabbing him late and I really really like his talent you have them ranked between like I think all four are between like 38 and 50 if I'm not I'm like okay that that's kind of 34 is Jaden Reed he's my top one um all the way and down to dubs at 52 I've got Wix over dubs Wix is my most rostered player wor interesting um I love love every time I see Wix get a chance he a play he made one in the preseason in Cleveland yeah he they play I think the starting offense played three plays and one of them was a 65 yard touchdown I might be off yards but you know what I mean yeah because but and you know we're we're we're we're we're Sharps we're veterans we're fantasy players forever the preseason means nothing to the Moon baby takes yes would you play would you play wicks in any leagues where you're kind of having I have him active in a couple where he's my you know deer leagues or you know well and some of them I've been like setting my lineups with and without chase you know it's like yeah yeah I get that it's frustrating but um I I think you're gonna see Reed and Watson get the most snaps um that's interesting because dobs is the guy who got the most snaps in the playoffs last year it's true and that's I mean that's what it counted right nothing's really Chang nobody's talking dubs you know it's like nobody he's the the Forgotten man in that group because I think everybody views him as the least talented whether that's fair or not I don't know but I think Ringo as well he is yeah he is but he's a good obviously Leaf Flur trusts him if he's playing the most snaps in a playoff game at San Francisco or at Dallas you trust him to be on the field for some reason yeah exactly so but I I mean yeah know so so I want one of them to go away and Wicks to play a lot um was be my hope that I'm kind of with you on that one but it's also he's probably the fourth of four right now too yeah and Shakir by the way Shakir really make me feel better about all these Shakir I'm trying to figure out the Buffalo room too that's the what I can't figure out Packers didn't even make any bets like I I again no I don't think I have any Jaden Reed I don't think I have I have one dos I like really no Watson because I just worry Bills WRs about the injuries too Buffalo I've taken my stand and I've said the drum beat from Buffalo all summer has been KH Shakir as the guy and I trust it I don't trust Curtis Samuel I don't I don't really like Keon Coleman as a prospect if you can't separate in the ACC you can't separate in the NFL either I think he's got a lot of Quinton Johnston written all over him now he might be Dez Bryant desz Bryan couldn't separate either he just made every contest catch joh separated last year he just couldn't catch yeah he he had trouble catching too um but Shakira is a guy who I'm just like somebody is going to blow up in this offense I think we all is gonna be good Shakir is my guy who I think if I'm especially at the price you're getting him he could be a 11 1200 yard guy from that spot if he's the guy he's Kesha balls from one of the best quarterbacks in football I've only got like two or three uh leagues where I have Shakir but I have them ranked higher than the other two in my NFC Prime Time draft uh in Saturday in Vegas live draft $1,700 entry fee all three receivers win in the same round really that's funny that's really funny it just nobody knows anything right now Coleman could be awesome like he he was a very productive college player Curtis Samuel obviously the stuff about he's never played with a good quarterback it's all very very true so I get it but you just have to at some point you got to plant some flags and I didn't on the Packers or some of these other I didn't really know what to do with like a Dun and Keenan Allen I don't think Keenan Allen's washed or anything like that but the bills I did have an opinion I I just said the drum beat has been so loud about Shakir that I'm going to place my chips there nice I like it I like it a lot uh we're going to talk tight ends first we got one last read for you here from our friends at FanDuel NFL kickoff is here in FanDuel is giving away a special new user offer to rootwire fans sign up and bet $5 on any FanDuel market and receive $200 in bonus bets plus three free weeks of NFL Sunday Ticket visit sportsbook.com or download the FanDuel Sportsbook in the app store today to claim this offer we're also on the blue wire Network here's their Tight Ends spot thank you for those of you listening on podcast listening through the bluewire ads thank you to bluewire for hosting us I'm with Frank Schwab we're down to tight ends Frank um all season long there's been like draft season long there's like a solid core of nine you may change your ordering a little bit here but it's Kelsey leaport Andrews McBride pittz concade KD Ingram Ferguson and those are always like the first nine tight end get drafted I I haven't seen a leag where someone's left Solid Top 7-9 ranks Brock Bowers or Dallas Goddard or n David njoku up to even break in before those front n it's interesting to me uh in just about every one of my drafts I have one of the top seven I I don't have much Ingram I think he was just I I don't want to buy last year's stats he got a lot of that when Christian Kirk was out uh I just don't I just don't I've never liked Evan Ingram as much as a player so I haven't been drafting him and Ferguson is he's fine but I don't really trust him even though he's a Wisconsin guy like me uh so I've been I I think in man I'd say in almost all but one or two of my drafts I've got a top seven guy and I didn't get any Kelsey either I just worry about the H Cliff with him so it's basically one of those top six what about you is there like I just felt uncomfortable drafting late tight end and you had to do so in best absolutely yeah was there one name out of the top even nine let's say nine because you mentioned nine is there any name out of the top nine where you felt like Pat fouth is going to have a big season I thought he might but then the snap count stuff in the preseason was like uh this Arthur Smith I'm not going to buy into this right or Fant or Parkinson or was there anybody who excited you out of that I liked Fant and then he got hurt he hurt his foot and you know that's what Noah Fant does is he gets hurt what he does um you know again whole sea Seattle narrative more plays you know no competition really with with disley and Parkinson gone y I thought I'd like kit and then Along Came Gerald get a lot of stns with with W yeah every one of these two good tight ends you know I'd like if one of them existed instead of two then I think I'd like one of them but right again so yeah Some faith in Jake Ferguson uh I I I like Ferguson a little bit more than you do I think um I think he's a pretty solid red zone Target and again there's you know Brandon Cooks is already hurt um I know there's some positive buzz on Tolbert but I feel like Ferguson's the number two Target in this offense and it can't all be lamb you're right yeah and the running game is Just unless you trust Dowell which I don't really trust him although I've taken a lot of shares of him just because it's a full fate of Zeke Elliott um yeah somebody's got to put up some yards in his offense if it's not going to be the Run game it's not going to be Cooks probably that much longer if it's not gonna be Tolbert or somebody like that yeah cidd can only do so much and so I I'm with you I don't I don't hate Ferguson I just liked maybe it's just being square but I just like the comfort of bride or Andrews or is there anybody No Kelce in the top seven that bothered you like I said I haven't had no Kelce I I just am not will I just think that he's going to play a much lower snap share than the has I don't have any Kelsey because I'm not being the first to draft a tight end I feel like this is one of those years where you can wait till the seven sixth or seventh tight end and still end up being pretty good there so some years you feel like oh I got to get a top three tight end I have no Kelsey I have no leaport uh I I may have one Andrews um I have a lot of KD Pitts Ingram I I'm I'm in that range we have news on pits by the way pits was limited in practice today with h goodness so it begins Jee every time I hate to say this because I know like all the reasons I should love C Pitts coming into the season but every time I drafted C pits which was Kyle Pitts hamstring issue plentiful I was like that that I'm not I'm gonna regret that I'm just reget that here we go here we go great awesome not yeah not great not great Bob not great but this is the thing Wednesday that first week of season when the first injury reports have to come out like oh you know yeah there's been coaches that just they don't to talk about it so they won't yeah whatever yeah there always surprise injuries know we all we kind of freaked out about Jaylen Wadd last week because he was wearing the sleeve and it seems like he's fine but you know there wd's always one of those guys you always have to kind of worry about in the back of your mind a little bit anyhow but you know there's always a surprise injury in week one it was Kelsey last year you know that that that came out of nowhere with it was in practice but yeah there's always a couple guys here like uh oh like it was M you know in a couple leagues where I have kickers I was like Matt gay fine whatever he's playing indoors week one and then it's like Matt G's hurt he might not play this week like are you kidding me I gotta worry about a kicker injury in week one really that's what I gotta do right now I gotta manage my roster for that yeah team kickers Pete shankey I can hear him right now saying team kickers no um we I do have a couple Leagues with Team kickers the NFC does team kickers for that reason I think Co really kind of was the finisher for that when remember we had all those guys you know day of oh he's not playing ah come on yeah you just don't want to mess with kicker come on don't make it hard for aide kicker team kicker is a way to go I honestly like team quarterback too I'm a team quarterback guy it's two quarterback leagues or whatever I I I am until you have a job battle and it matters you know like Fields versus Wilson for instance right but then you get either guy you got you got the Pittsburgh quarterback you're fine like I'm in what that way you don't it changes things when you got kind of Indianapolis Colt situation where you're like I don't know if Anthony Rich say going to play all 17 games well I got team quarterback I'm fine not that I want Joe Flaco to be my starter but at least you got some at least at least Joe Flaco's not stashed on somebody's bench because it's a two quarterback deep leag it's not Tim Bole coming in instead yeah got that going for us uh do is there a late tight end that you like say we did a two tight end league in pentathlon I hate two tight end leagues by the way I understand the impetus for him hate him but go uh is Late TE? there a late tight end that you like uh I not really I Isaiah likely but that's almost a contingency thing like he's the one tight end who if if there's an injury ahead of him we know what he's going to he's going to be good he's going to be a top 10 tight end so if I had to draft somebody I'm like well I'll take Isaiah likeley just assuming he's gonna get something when Andrew is on the field and if Andrews does get hurt again then he really really bounces back but I Parkinson I got some of I understand the doich stuff I was high in him last year he got hurt uh but there's no there's not a tight end out here I'm going to be working a waiver wire I'll tell you that because if in leagues where I need a backup tight end really really deep leagues I'm in a couple two tight end leagues which I really really hard this year um but yeah I just Kyler granson the Colts really really cheap like guys like that who I have no confidence in but yet I'm like well I gotta have a second tight end somewhere so it might as well be him yeah I'm I'm weak and tight end in our league um I I just couldn't I didn't adjust quickly enough to the pricing for those top nine so I got shut out so I got Dallas GD and I've got and I don't even forget remember who my number even must lot of people on Musgrave and I'm like he's the sixth option in the Packers offense like how could how can I project something good for Luke musra even if I like him as a player you have those four receivers we talked about before Josh Jacobs they paid him a ton of money he's gonna get the rock a lot yes and even when you know even when they're healthy at running back there's another mou to feed and even craft is there like it's not like Musgrave just is 100% snap guy so I get the love for musra as Talent goes but the situation I'm like how can how could I justify this six best option in an offensive tight end I agree I agree um and I'm in one Dynasty League where I've got six tight ends it's a startup Dynasty and I just I I chose not to go that route and as many yeah Johnson or yeah I'm in the league like that to Hunter Henry is my best tight end I made I made the decision to go make a trade for George KD in that League because I'm like I just don't want to mess around with trying to figure out if this is the week Noah Fant or Jan Johnson or whoever break out I'm just not doing it yeah it it's ugly it's ugly I know that so Frank uh hours we' spent about a good hour here I I YahooSchwab, yahoo.com/football appreciate you coming on board uh where can we find your work what do you want to promote uh best place is uh probably you know yahoo.com NFL all my stuff's on there at Yahoo Schwab on EX formerly Twitter uh we got the podcast coming out we're going three times a week on inside coverage I think we do great work there me and Jason Fitz recap all the games on Sunday I'm writing everything and all things through the week so I'm just happy football's back I really am not just because of the job and we've talked and written about the same things for months and months and months and now there's gonna be something new but just it's just great to have football back in our lives and our fantasy teams and our bets and our just everything about football I love so week one Bring it on I can't wait Jeff I'm really really excited for this week me too me too it should be great a lot of good matchups in week one too I like how they do that so makes it hard for us to pick like Survivor and things like that but yeah it's I can't wait it's GNA be great Frank awesome stuff great thanks for spending some time with me today it was awesome hanging out 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