Seahawks Undrafted Free Agents Deep Dive

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through and I'm going to do it in descending order or would that be ascending order I always get those mixed up from highest ranked lowest number to lowest ranked highest number I will go through each of them and I'm going to do this based off of the consensus big board that Arif Hassan puts together the same thing we used to talk about other draft prospects but we'll find out who is the top ranked undrafted free agent on the Seahawks roster according to the big board and then I'll go through and I'll do what I've done in other cases with other players uh other prospects we'll see if there's any Scout information we might have to do a little more foraging to find it but I'll I'll look in Dan Bugler's Beast I'll look in PFF I'll look in other places to see what information we can find about this player um I will also try to see if our friend Kent Le platty has anybody on there at R.F foot and take a look there as well so um without further Ado well actually a little more a little more 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on the Channel all right all right that was a lot of Preamble let's get into it let's get into it um we are going to talk today about undrafted free agents and we're going to play a little game you can play along with me the Seahawks have six 16 undrafted free agents that they signed we are going to go in order of their big board rank from best to worst or highest to lowest maybe is a nicer way to put it and you can guess along with me which of these guys has the highest ranking I will read out their names for you just so you have them you don't have to you know write these down but give you a fighting chance I certainly wouldn't be able to to name all of them um we have Sunny Anderson also sundada Anderson is his full name from Grambling he's a linebacker we have Nelson Caesar he is a linebacker out of Houston we have sioban Cordo a quarterback out of San Jose State Easton Gibbs a linebacker out of Wyoming Garrett Greenfield a tackle out of South Dakota State Hayden Hatton a wide receiver out of Idaho George holani a running back out of Boise State Carlton Johnson a cornerback out of Fresno State devier levelston a defensive end out of SMU also a graduate of doto high went to school the same time as our first round pick Byron Murphy Kobe Lewis a running back out of Florida Atlantic Mike novitzki a center out of Kansas Ro Torrance a cornerback out of sorry cornerback out of Arizona State Jack Westover familiar name tight end out of Washington and D Williams wide receiver out of Tennessee rousan or rayon I'm gonna say ran Williams II linebacker out of Louisiana Tech and Tam Merck Williams running back out of North Dakota State all right so those are the names I just read all 16 who do do you think is the highest ranked highest ranked udfa in this class and I'm going to give you a little bit of a heads up the lowest ranked player drafted on the big board overall by any team was Travis Clayton out of bang Stoke RFC by the Buffalo Bills and his big board rank was 524 the lowest Seahawk draft pick interestingly was the second lowest on the big board that got drafted his name was Mike Jerell friend of the show out of Finley he was ranked 472 so that's the lowest ranked player 524 was the lowest rank overall five 472 was the lowest ranked Seahawk that was drafted now where is the highest ranked undrafted free agent you're going to be surprised the highest ranked Seahawk undrafted free agent was 171 on the big board 171 that is quite high and in fact it's so high that I had to see how many players were higher on the big board that did not get drafted there was one Gabriel Murphy two Leonard Taylor three Bo Brady four Curtis Jacobs five Javan Cohen five players five players only five players were higher ranked on the big board that were not drafted this Seahawk undrafted free agent was the sixth highest ranked player that was not drafted his name folks is Nelson Caesar he is The Edge player out of Houston the highest ranked on the big board at 171 so how does this what do we know about this guy let's learn about Nelson Caesar and we're going to start with Mr bruger's big uh big beast all right and we're going to find Nelson Caesar uh CES let's see if I can type properly why is that not working there we go just took a little while so Nelson Caesar was the 16th ranked Edge player for Dame bugler give you some idea the players ranked around him right ahead of him was Nelson was um Brennan Jackson out of Washington state same grade round they were projected as fifth round pick picks by Dame Brugler 13th which was uh mocked a lot to the SE Seahawks was jayx hunt out of Houston Christian we talked about Gabriel Murphy below Nelson Caesar in some of these ranks Mohamad Kamara out of Colorado State a lot of people talked about him havon Solomon out of Troy Jaylen harrold out of Michigan ZT F out of Washington Grayson Murphy who made visits with the Seahawks out of UCLA so uh a wide range here so let's go ahead and find out a little bit more about the 16th ranked Edge rusher on Dane Bugler's draft board he is 6 fo three 6'2 in change 6'2 and a half 254 pounds he is almost 23 years old he's 22.9 years old at least when this was rich he was born in Spring Texas his mother died when he was nine his father died when he was 12 so he moved in with his aunt and uncle and grew up in Missouri City he played some soccer and some basketball and track growing up but's father Nelson Jr and Uncle Michael were both standout football players in high school and he wanted to follow their path his uncle played at Texas Texas Southern in the early 90s with Michael Strahan interestingly and his father was recruited by Oklahoma Caesar started playing football at age 11 initially on the offensive line before moving to Des defensive end for high school Caesar transferred to ridgeport high where he was a threeyear varsity Letterman pass rusher he was named defensive newcomer of the year in the district as a sophomore with 55 tackles 14 tackles for loss seven and a half sacks and two Force fumbles in 2016 as a junior he had 36 tackles 12 tackles for lost seven sacks for Force fumbles interesting all these Force fumbles we'll have to see if that's something as a senior he helped ridg point to a 10 and two Mark third straight District title he finished with 40 tackles 12 tackles for loss seven sacks one force fumble okay 21 and a half career sacks set a School record Caesar also lettered in track with his personal best of a 4 foot 10 in in the shot put he was a three- star recruit was number 32 weakside defensive end in the 2019 recruiting class and number 59 recruit in Texas following his breakout sophomore season he received his first scholarship offer Texas Tech he collected several power power five offers including from Arizona Arkansas Iowa State Kansas Missouri Oklahoma and TCU he grew up as an LSU fan but didn't seriously consider other offers because he thought the Tigers would eventually offer which didn't happen once he realized LSU wasn't an option Caesar opted to stay close to home and committed to former Houston coach major Apple White Caesar was the highest ranked recruit in the Cougars 2019 class Apple White was fired two weeks after Caesar signed oh my gosh and replaced by Dana hogerson and Senior Caesar accepted his invitation to the 2024 Senior Bowl interesting interesting backstory I'm not going to tell the full backstory of everybody I thought his backstory was pretty interesting lost both his parents he's gone through a ton of adversity thought he was going to go to LSU didn't get the offer ended up at Houston signed with Houston the coach was fired two weeks later interesting path interesting path his he had in college eight sacks for his career he is a five-year player in college pandemic shortened season so you know had that as an issue but had nine and a half sacks last year 13 and a half tackles for loss at the combine he had a well we'll talk about his numbers in a little bit but he ran a 4.8 9 40 yard dash not the fastest 40 um as far as the summary for him he was a two-year starter at Houston he lined up the field a defensive end it's a four-man front primarily from a two-point stance so standing up after learning from forber Cougar's defensive ends like pton Turner and Logan Hall his production showed gradual Improvement each season in college he set career best as a senior including a big 12 leading nine and a half sacks in the program's first season in the conference Caesar attacks with upfield burst and speed and shows just enough Bend to access different pass rush Lanes against the Run he has range and hustle although his subpar anchor and physicality at the point of attack will be tougher to mask at the next level overall Caesar finds himself slowed down by power-based blockers but he shows a variety of pass rush and NL teams could be encouraged by his athletic flashes and football character he projects as a part-time rusher with promise interesting let's see if Mr zerline has anything to say about Nelson Caesar he does he does not have him highly ranked but he has him lower than Mr bugler he has him as an average backup or special teamer and he projected he would get drafted though in round five or six Caesar was a two-year starter and 2023 team captain who has average size but above average power he's built for contact balance which shows up consistently on tape when battling against much bigger opponents on the edge while he has played some stack linebacker in the pass which means off ball linebacker that's an interesting note he might H not have enough straight line speed or instincts to survive there as a pro Caesar has worked at adding elements to his pass rush but the only item that might be translatable might be a translatable winner for him is his speed to power long arm he has a chance to become a solid backup or special teams performer as a 34 outside backer that's pretty interesting I mean what was my fa who is my favorite Ed rusher in this draft Jared verse what did I love about adverse speed to power he was the best speed to power guy in the draft and his long arm was brutal man he just walked tackles back into the quarterback's lap he sometimes put them flat on their backs which I just don't see but you saw him do it a lot what do we also know about Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wants his linebackers wants really everybody in the front seven to to be capable of multiple things including rushing the passer I think this is part of why Jerome Baker's a good fit for the Seahawks and why they they added him he was a pretty good Blitzer and has had significantly more sacks than a guy like Jordan Brooks in his career Caesar sounds like a guy who honestly sounds a little bit like Derek Hall sounds like a Derek Hall type of player a little bit more straight line a little bit more stiff but with some power and that has a something as a profile that could be interesting against the run now bugler says he struggled against Power um zerine says that was a strength of his who's right we'll find out together now if we look at well let's let's go ahead and see if if he shows up here Nelson Caesar yes on PFF was the 165th ranked player which is quite High similarly to where bugler had him as an edge his grades interestingly he actually declined as a senior he had an 81.4 grade as a sophomore or a thirdy year player um 82.7 two years ago which is quite good and then 73.5 last year which isn't bad but not great his pass rush grade was 71.3 his run defense grade was 76.6 his true pass set pass rush grade again true pass set means when everybody knows it's a pass play so the pass rushers can just pin their earback they don't have to worry about defending the run the offensive tackles know that going to have to pass protect this is one of the better ways to know you want to see that improve as a pass rusher you want to see it also ideally at least stay consistent as a pass blocker but in this case it improves he's a 76.7 pass rusher in true pass set pass rush grade pass rush win rate was 13.6% not fantastic not terrible I think 15 and above is pretty good 10 to 15 is is good um his Run Stop rate 7.2 he was relatively consistent in his grades throughout his final year his high grade was 78 his low grade well he did have a 49.3 grade but for the most part he was between 66 and 76 like pretty pretty steady um what they say is Caesar projects is a versatile versatile outside linebacker type of edge player who can be productive and rotational role in late down situations he has played on both sides on Punt and kick teams he's played some off ball linebacker adequate quickness for club and rip moves however his length likely won't be something that consistently can win in the NFL he can generate push from bull rushes when defending the run and when defending the run but that is more due to correct leverage than natural strength let's see about his Raz should we see about his Raz let's see about his Raz [Music] Nelson Caesar Nelson Caesar does not have a Ras profile what I can tell you is he was profiled as a defensive end I wonder if I can change this as a linebacker yeah let's see okay so as a linebacker his size grade is good it's elite actually um his speed grade is very poor 2. 22 percentile speed as a linebacker 10 yard split 74 so as an off ball linebacker that doesn't make a lot of sense as a defensive end his size is poor his speed is poor um 33rd percentile height 50th percentile weight this again as a defensive end 40 yard dash is 49th percentile 10 yard split was 21st percentile so you know not exactly I think from an athletic standpoint not exactly the most exciting guy to um look for let's just check one thing since he's our highest R rated guy I'm going to do a little extra here let's go to mock draftable see who else compares to Nelson Caesar um all right so this is as an edge player David ugu I don't know him he's a 2024 guy uh Jonah Ellis out of Utah who went much higher he's a 90% comparable to to Mr Caesar uh Demarcus Lawrence that's fascinating 81% comparable athletic profile to Demarcus Lawrence well let's hope that's what he turns into he's also an 80.5% match with D Ford but that gives you some idea of the type of guy we're talking about I always like to look at that so that is that is Nelson Caesar interesting guy interesting player and if I remember right they gave him quite a bit of let me just double check Nelson Caesar um he's number 46 by the way if you're curious where he had some guaranteed money yes Seattle gave him a $10,000 signing bonus and guaranteed $100,000 of his s salary that's pretty it's pretty impressive um not something that you normally get to to do I'm watching a few of his highlights I can't share them because then I'll get a copyright strike on the video but yeah I mean I think I don't think the Derek Hall comparison is a is necessarily a bad one looks like a physical dude High effort guy um interesting player okay let's keep going let's keep going all right next guy on the list of big board rankings ranked 215th overall so Nelson Caesar was the sixth highest ranked player that was not drafted this guy was 215 which is also quite high so if Nelson seees there was six there is seven 8 N9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 16 guys that were ranked higher than this next player that were not drafted so he's the 17th highest ranked player that was not drafted you want to take a guess at who the second highest ranked Seahawk undrafted free agent is I'll give you one second in fact I'm going to give you a second and I'm going to close my door because we get a little bit of an echo in here and hopefully you're not hearing that but I want to make sure you're not one second all right I'm back all right the second highest ranked Seahawk undrafted free agent and 16th highest or I guess 17th highest maybe it is ranked player that was not drafted 215th overall is Garrett Greenfield the offensive tackle out of South Dakota State Garrett Greenfield so Garrett Greenfield as we go and take a look let's find out what we can find about Mr Greenfield gar Greenfield was the 22nd ranked tackle on Dane Bugler's list now remember this was a fantastic tackle draft couple things actually let me take a moment on this couple things to kind of keep in mind on one hand there were some positions that were deeper tackle is one of them so you can imagine that players that are available for tackle might be better as undrafted free agents than in a normal year because other teams that needed tackles probably drafted them earlier they took a bunch of them and that left some other guys undrafted on the other hand this was a expected to be one of the weaker years at the end of the draft due to nil and people returning to school and so some of your undrafted free agents are going to be guys that wouldn't have even been undrafted free agents in previous years but it's just a thin class overall so keep that in mind as we go through all these names but Garen Garrett Greenfield 22nd overall at tackle he is 20 24 and a half years old he was born in the last century 1999 all right and he was a six-year player primarily played left tackle he did have a year where he played right tackle but mostly it looks like 31 starts at left tackle 55 starts at right tackle if I'm reading this right he is 6' 52 3 11 lb 10 in 10 inch hands 34 and8 inch arms 84 inch wingspan he ran a 5.22 40 yard dash a 176 10 yard split vertical jump of 38 half inches that is that's impressive at his size broad jump of five 95 short shuttle of 48 five I think is also interesting so seems like a pretty impressive athlete uh let's read the summary for [Music] Mr Greenfield a four-year starter at South Dakota State Greenfield maned the left tackle spot and former offensive coordinator Zack Lin's balanced Gap Zone scheme after two seasons as the starting right tackle he switched to the left side in 2022 and became an allamerican as he helped the lead the jack rabbit one of the best mascot names to back-to-back FCS national titles a natural athlete Greenfield is a rangy blocker who has no issues running the arc with Edge rushers and efficiently cuts off Defenders on the backside zone of runs of backside of Zone runs his 382 inch vertical set a new combine record for offensive lineman I knew that was crazy he lacks ideal length and power to keep rushers at his fingertips which causes his rhythm to break down overall Greenfield must make improvements to his anchor and Recovery skills to combat NFL opponents but he's a smooth moving big man who is at his best on wide and mid Zone plays he projects as a potential swing tackle in the NFL expected draft grade six to seventh round well I always love a great athlete you know that let's see what Lance zerine if he has anything to say about Garrett Greenfield let's go look at offensive [Music] tackles Garrett Greenfield oh hold on I'm just gonna do this um before I do just to give you some idea um that doesn't matter anyway um yeah Mike Jerell was ranked 29th on Dame Bugler's tackle list Grett Greenfield was ranked 22nd so take that for what it's worth I don't know if there's any of these other guys that are worth calling out okay um for Brugler let's see where does he have him I'm just gonna search for his name Garrett Garrett Greenfield he has a grade of 5.90 watching him run the 40 right now those big men run in their 40s um now that his 5.9 grade means he's getting an average backup or special teamer projected around six to seven draft grade the six-year senior has seen his fair share of football and has shown continued improvement over the last three years he plays with good quickness and is athletic in his lower body but needs to play Under Control he's capable of setting out to rush speed or getting to lateral landmarks as a run blocker Greenfield has a tendency to play with arbitrary footwork as both a run and pl pass blocker which cails his contact balance and consistency to sustain he'll need to improve his core strength and protection technique to play in the NFL but he has enough talent and athletic ability to compete for a backup role see what we've got here in PFF do they have they do not have him listed all right let's check out his Raz score Garrett Greenfield whoops not seeing it but he should have one I'm pretty sure let me look in another place um interesting well here's what we're going to do we're going to do this because I want to know we're gonna build our own Raz score I can put it in there for Garrett Greenfield Garrett Greenfield position offensive tackle you guys are going to have to wait with me and I know you will CU we're all good buddies here I got to enter all of these numbers for him okay let me go back to the numbers he put in all right offensive tackle hand size 10 inches College South Dakota State arm length 34 uh let's just say 34 let's just say 34 um height how does he do it I got to make sure I get this right uh apologies just hold on a sec um I think he does it like this so it be like0 6 6056 something like that yeah something like that and then 33 lb and his 40 time was 5.22 and his 20 time was 2.98 and his 10 yard is 1.76 and his bench he did not do vertical he did was 38.5 his broad jump was 95 oops 095 is that right I do that right there we go 95 um his short shuttle was 485 his three cone was 7.76 all right build the Raz card all right folks folks you're going to see it here first the first Raz card ever built for Garrett Greenfield um let me share my screen so you can see it with me all right 8.74 is the Raz score overall for Garrett Greenfield his size grade is good 60th percentile kind of size his explosion grade elite that vertical jump 100th percentile never been better uh his broad jump nine 95th percentile speed grade is good 65th percentile or better it's interesting that his 10 yard split is 87th percentile that's what matters more for certainly a offensive lineman his agility grade just okay but his three is pretty good 65th percentile so as I thought a pretty interesting athlete um let me double check is that working yeah okay um I'm going to save that for future use and thank you to Kent kentley PL for such a nice capability to build our own Ras score uh on our own uh so interesting I think why don't we take a look at his mock draftable why not he's one of the highest ranked guys on the board he does not show up in mock draftable so all right that is Garrett Greenfield your second highest ranked undrafted free agent third highest ranked undrafted free agent these are not the guys you're going to think they are they're not the guys I thought they'd be Nelson Caesar I had a a feeling but I didn't know about some of these others the third highest ranked undrafted free agent is Carlton Johnson the cornerback out of Fresno State he is ranked 273rd on the big board so still quite a bit higher than a lot of other guys guys that did get drafted and Carlton Johnson let's start let's start [Music] in the Beast Dame Brugler Carlton Johnson is Carlton Johnson Jr is 510 and a half 173 pounds so it got to be a nickel Corner I'd have to think he was graded as a seventh round priority free agent kind of guy so right around where he ended up going he's a California guy played some different sports like basketball he's played wide receiver and corner he is also on the older side he is a six Ste player I don't think I have his age in here he did run track ran a 1077 100 21.8 200 so that's impressive um he was a zero star recruit for what that's worth so he started at Southern Utah he moved to Fresno State he had four interceptions last year 11 passes defensed he has a track background and sprinting speed and that's clear on tape he ran holy crap oh my gosh that jumps off the page do you want to guess what his 40 time was that's fun Carlton Johnson ran a four 42840 yikes that is flying that is flying 42840 wow interesting his vertical jump is only 30 inches I know he's short but still that for little guys with that kind you expect more 9 foot 11 broad that's much more impressive all right so summary two-year starter at Fresno State Johnson was a perimeter cornerback so he was an edge quarterback and defensive coordinator blah blah blah a late bloomer in high school he worked his way from F FCS to Joo and then Fresno State where he counted for 18 passes defense and 20 games played Johnson has big time speed to match receivers vertically or close on plays his 22.17 mile per per hour was the fastest recorded during the 2024 Senior Bowl practices so the fastest player recorded during the Senior Bowl however he can struggle in man coverage because of inconsistent balance in his Transitions and a streaky ability to find the football once his back is turned overall Johnson works well from off coverage and his wide vision and drive speed with his wide vision and drive speed but is an average twitch athlete and his lack of size and strength will be tough to overcome in the NFL he needs to prove himself in the nickel or special teams to make a roster so at you know this guy is 510 and a half 173 he not a big guy I weigh more than him by a decent amount unfortunately um and that speed is interesting one of the things with track some of the track guys is sometimes that speed takes a little while to build up and also it sounds like maybe he is not NE great at reading things but is more of an off off Zone kind of player we've seen that a little bit in preference from Mike McDonald he wants guys that are are able to play those Zone coverages and break up on the ball but that 428 speed not gonna lie I like that he's only got 30 and an eth inch arms so he has got some shorties but he's only 510 and a half that's kind of what you'd expect let's see what Mr zerline says about him if he says anything uh Carlton Carlton yeah he does all right he has got him down here as a 569 grade candidate for bottom of the roster or pra practice squad athletic cornerback with quality ball skills but missing the functional size for the league Johnson plays with good mirror and match footwork from press and has some talent to make plays on the throw from Trail positioning he's athletic in space and transitions on Route breaks with adequate quickness he struggled staying with Colorado Colorado's deep threats but the speed he showed at his Pro dat alleviated concerns about his ability to carry vertical threats his size and build should force him to play inside and his limitations in run support could be a major red flag for teams let's see if PFF has anything to say I doubt they will they don't let's see if he's got a Ras score Carlton [Music] Johnson he does he's got a Ras score it is not particularly great he has got a he's a 30th percentile athlete poor size poor explosion I talked about that 30inch vertical that is under one percentile under the first percentile 0 Z 70 broad jump only the 44th percentile his speed grade is great so 99th 100 percentile 40 yard dash his 10 yard split is not great 6 68th percentile and his agility grade is very poor his shuttle 13th percentile has three cone 15th percentile that is not a good profile for a slot Corner if you're going to be that small you're G to have to play slot and one of the most important things for a nickel corner is agility and ability to move laterally having very poor agility grades also having a very poor vertical when you're 510 not great although that 42840 I get why he's in a camp that would be fun to watch so that's Carlton Johnson let's keep going who is the next highest ranked undrafted free agent okay now we get to a player that I know a lot of guy people are excited about the 301st ranked player on the big board the consensus bigard overall his name is George helani running back out of Boise State running back out of Boise State I see Jeffrey for saying maybe Carlton can be a special teams Gunner possibly but speed is is only one aspect you really need to be able to get off blocks and have some strength and you also do need a little bit of vertical ability or or lateral agility to get around the blockers and and to find the player that you're trying to tackle so I don't know maybe we'll see we'll see I'm not I'm intrigued by the speed but that athletic profile doesn't seem promising to me for Mr Johnson the cornerback out of Fresno State okay so George helani ranked 301st on the big board running back all right and let's see what different people have to say about George helani why is that not working oh okay George helani I know I've got somebody on this channel who's a huge George helani fan said he's just gonna blow things up we don't know how good of a player we got he was the 24th ranked running back on Dame Bugler's board gave him a grade of seven round to to free agent he had him graded higher than like Frank gour Jr for example but it was 24th out of 33 players so not not particularly highly thought of he is 24.4 years old he is 5' 10 208 lb he is one of 11 children and was born in Auckland New Zealand his parents are of tongen descent they moved to California seever and moved around several times he was introduced to rugby at age five by his father who was a professional rugby player in Australia and New Zealand and now coaches uh though rugby was heli's first love he picked up football at age eight after the family moved to Los Angeles he enrolled in St John bosow High School all boy school and belflower where he's a four-year Varsity Le Letterman he started out as a linebacker and punter there's the rugby background before switching to running back fulltime and rushing for 453 yards and five touchdowns as a sophomore he helped his team to a state championship as a junior he shared the backfield with top recruit and good friend quarterback DJ I'm not going to try um a l name that I'm not going to pronounce properly became the starter um and where did I lose my thought uh all right so oh there it is he posted 1,152 rushing yards and 14 touchdowns had 20 catches for 300 yards and six touchdowns as a senior he led them to a 13-1 record his only loss coming to Bryce young finished the season with 1,200 yards rushing 8.6 yards per carat 18 touchdowns and seven receiving touchdowns he also played rugby throughout high school and letter in track setting personal best for 11.55 seconds in the 100 meter dash interesting player he was a four-star recruit he got several offers from Pack 12 schools includ including Arizona State Cal and Utah and he then committed to Boise State Oregon made a late push helani has double digigit relatives who have played or are currently playing in the NFL including 2006 first round pick H hod nagada NADA um he graduated with a degree from boisey State accepted his invitation to the 2024 hoola G fifth year senior some of his measurables again 510 208 4524 39 in vertical 10 10 and 107 broad that is a serious broad jump 433 short shuttle 24 reps on the bench modest build but runs stronger and more violent than he looks sees the field well pre impost snap anticipates blocking and pursuit angles just his footwork to press the hole and cut accordingly runs with physicality but creates average knee churn and will struggle to power through congestion an NFL scout said I really thought he would be bigger in person not a Twitchy start stop Runner that will make NFL linebackers missing the hole looks great in pass Pro on some tapes but shaky on others battled several injuries over the last four seasons leg muscle uh um sideline with a torn left MCL so he has an MCL limited special teams resume aside from punt return and he will turn 25 as a rookie after his breakout freshman season helani battled injuries but he was consistently productive when available and finished career number five alltime rushing in Boise State just behind Jay aay who had a decent year career as one might expect given his rugby background helani runs with physicality patience and great feel for run angles to give tacklers the slip and consistently maximize what is in front of him though toughness is his calling card NFL Scouts say he might be too tough for his own good and he'll need to be protected from himself to keep his name off the injury report overall holani isn't super Twitchy and his injury history might be an issue but he has outstanding reactive instincts and a well-rounded skill set that NFL coaches will trust in any situation he can be a piece on an NFL roster I love the sound of that I got no problems with that um I think you could have said the same thing about Chris Carson uh so I'll take a player who runs too hard I'll definitely take that guy uh if we look at Mr helani from zeron and Lance zline and by the way I love rugby players in the NFL I just think I I think it's a fantastic skill set to bring he is a 5.93 grade meaning he'll be an average backup or special teamer had him as a round seven draft pick decisive Runner with good size and power but a limited ceiling hanani is disciplined to keep runs on track and is a classic one cutter able to stick his foot in the ground and take downhill take a downhill with Chris Cuts he lacks the burst to beat arm tacklers through the line of scrimmage and is far too linear to jump cut his way around sudden tacklers in the hole or in space he runs with contact balance and Falls forward through contact hanan's productivity has been solid when he's been on the field but durability appears to be a legitimate concern based upon his injury history see if we got anything here nothing there okay okay let's check out Ras score does he have he does he has got a Raz card he had he an 83r percentile athlete which is good very good his size grades just okay his bench press at 24 reps was 91st percentile his explosion grade elite 95th percentile vertical 95th percentile broad that is the profile of a PowerBack explosive strong his agility grade though is poor three cone was 28th percentile shuttle was 53rd percentile his speed grade is just good which is not bad he's he's his 40 was 78 percentile style so what you've got here is a not Breakaway Runner but neither was Chris Carson by the way and someone who is strong explosive decisive and if we take a look let's do at his mock draftable comparable athletes at running back Taj Spears the Titan is a comparable oh my God Robert turban let's hope he's not Robert turban I like Robert but I did not enjoy watching little known story I was at Robert turban's and Russell Wilson's first game in Arizona watching that game I sat next to Robert turban's dad watching his son play in his first NFL game that was fun we had a good time although the Seahawks did not pull that game out Doug Baldwin I think had his teeth knocked out trying to stretch out for a pass from Russell Wilson in The End Zone um should have won that game all right that is George helani I I think that guy's got a decent shot to make the roster to be honest I think that guy's got a decent shot to make the roster the Seahawks are looking for a fourth running back someone that can be a special teams guy somebody that can just be available and I think that that's a I think he's got a pretty good shot and if I remember correctly I think he signed a big guarantee I'm watching some of his highlights decent screen player some decent moves here um laterally more than they it sounds like they give him credit for looks like a decent receiver of the football as well uh um he is not the most sudden lateral mover but he's really like a one cut guy which I like and I think is the kind of player that is going to get every bit of yardage out of every play uh contracts um guaranteed yes so he gets a $155,000 signing bonus and $100,000 guaranteed that sounds like a guy that's got a pretty good chance to make the squad so George helani is probably a guy you can pay attention to in this draft and drafted class all right let's keep going we're an hour in I think we've gotten through like four guys I don't know I'm going to see how many I can get to before I lose steam um all right next guy on the list is not that far down George helani was 308 on the big board roow Torrence was 30 30 sorry George hanani was 301 Ro Torrance is 308 from Arizona State cornerback all right we're going to move a little bit faster now whoops what happened there yeah Ro [Music] Torrance Ro Torrance was the 42nd ranked cornerback on zerin sorry on on Bugler's board well down the list it's 42nd out of 54 so very low on the list he's 23 years old he had two interceptions in college 14 passes defensed he is 6' three 206 pounds so he's a big dude outside outstanding size and body length uses long arms to Arms arm length is 34 and an e inch arms that is long um uses long arms to jam and reroute receivers better play speed than time speed because of long Galloping strides ability to quickly gear down to match route steps his length shows downfield his ability to cast a shadow on the catch Point his size tilts 50/50 balls more in his favor he was used more as a Blitzer in 2023 had two sacks against Fresno SN state quick to read run and doesn't hesitate getting downhill as a tackler like that large wingspan expands his tackling radius and there is power behind his strikes said they the coaches challenged him to step up and be a leader and there was complete buying from him throughout his senior season and the coaches said I'm so proud of him his poor testing numbers will be a bright red flag for team teams struggles with quick twitch receivers who evade him at the [Music] snap he needs more repeatable and efficient be efficient in his stance and footwork guilty of grabbing and using his length for the wrong reasons called for holding and pass interference a decent amount um put himself on the radar the NFL radar with the sundell and his coaches grew as a defensive Le super sized cornerback torren uses his long Limbs and physical demeanor to engulf receivers at the line of scrimage his uninspiring athletic profile will be a turnoff for teams though his technique and ball instincts are underdeveloped overall torren needs better consistency with his coverage reactions to mass the delay in his transitions but his body length and aggressiveness will appeal to press man defenses he has a developmental cornerback with special teams potential s similar to to Israel mukama who I have no idea who that is I should act like I know all these guys oh yes I know all of them I'm an expert um so let's look up what Lance zerline has to say Ro Torrance he has got has a 5.69 grade candidate for bottom of the roster a practice squad has him as a free agent not as a draftable prospect long limed pressed corner with physical attributes certain teams are sure to covet Torrance is a menace from press where he crouches and Jabs the release with relative consistency he has the tools to smother simple routes but gives away separation to sharper break points he can stride with deep routes and has the makeup speed to close ground when he's beaten he's not built for mirror and match coverage and is very average in deep zones Tor can flip the 50-50 ball in his favor but might not have the instincts or ball tracking to post the production one might expect from a player with his traits he will be at his best working with limited coverage focus in press man but his execution as a tackler is a concern all right I'm GNA guess that he is not here yep okay let's see if he's got a Raz score Ro Torrance he does his Raz score is not good 22nd percentile his size grade is Elite which is we just heard about 98 percentile in height and weight explosion grade poor speed grade very poor agility grade very poor under one percentile in speed grade or sorry in agility grade so this idea of if he doesn't get his hands on you he's going to have trouble is the reality and so if you have him going up against DJ Moore Tyreek Hill you go up against some of these guys that are going to beat him off the press he's probably doesn't have the physical traits to handle that and he'll just be in trouble but he does seem like he's got some potential this his speed grade 46940 I mean he's got the size to be a little bit interesting he did sounds like they did use him as a Blitzer don't know I mean when you got that 34 inch arms and 6' three inch height there's something that'll be interesting for coaches to play with all right that is row Torrance GNA keep going here finally a name I think a lot of people expected to be higher on this list the 312th ranked player on the consensus big board that is an undrafted free agent for the Seahawks is Jack Westover I'm not g to go deep on Jack Westover I think folks Should Know Jack Westover but let me give you a couple things about I'm not going to read about him because I think a lot of folks know him oh my gosh why won't this work okay he was the 14th ranked tight end on Bugler's board he gave him a seventh round grade um he is almost 25 years old he is 6'3 243 he did not do workouts because he was dealing with a thumb injury so we don't have his 40 grade 40 speed you know all that kind of stuff so we're not going to have a lot of the physical stuff other than some of these basic length things um here's here's what and I think actually bugler says this well so I'll read this out overall West over isn't a special athlete or Smashmouth blocker but he's a well-rounded player in a smaller body who catches the ball really well his special teams background will help his chances and he could fit best in an offense like those are found in Miami or San Francisco or maybe Seattle with the newly hired grub schemes that creatively use the HB position that's smaller dude he's only 6 foot three 240 245 he makes fantastic catches I don't think he's he's got a lot of speed to offer after the play but he gets open he creates separation I think he runs good routes I think he can can be a Kyle yuse kind of guy and I don't think it's crazy to think that they might use him a little bit in kind of a fullback role now and then out of the back field I think he's got some flexibility in where he can play in the offense and I just think he's he's a guy that you heard if you listen to this show I was just assuming he was going to end up in Seattle as a free agent there were times that people were predicting he would get drafted as high as the sixth round I was I mean it's a thin draft so maybe but he's generally not the profile of a guy that is a draftable player zerline for what it's worth has him as a 5 six seven grade candidate for the bottom of the roster or practice squad he does see him as an HB as well um uh does PFF have anything on yeah they do PFF have as a 277th ranked player on their big board in case you're curious about his grades he had a 74.5 grade as a senior um had a 50% contested catch rate which is quite good he did have a run block grade of 73.3 he's a willing blocker even if he's not the biggest guy I think Jack Westover has a pretty decent chance of making this this roster um I'm going to look up I think he also he also got some guaranteed money he got a $25,000 signing bonus I think that's the largest we've talked about so far and 50,000 of his salary is guaranteed so 75,000 total guarantees we've seen 100,000 in guaranteed for some of these other guys but again it's not going to make or break a team if they guarantee a $100,000 to a guy and they cut him but I believe that that is indicative of a player's value in the open market and the likelihood that the team is going to give him a long look before they decide to go in a different direction so Jack West over tight end from Washington 312 on the consensus Big Board next 321 on the consensus Big Board is sundada or Sunny Anderson from Grambling State he is an edge player let's see where what people have to say about him uh if I could type he is the 35th ranked Edge player out of 40 on Dame Bugler's big board that is not great um says overall Anders well say he's 6'4 247 he's almost 24 years old sixe player had five sacks last year 11 and a half tackles for loss he played baseball basketball and football in high school he battled serious health issues in his first season but had a breakout Junior season and followed that up with a strong senior year he's leaner build but long arms to continue adding bulk going to need to get stronger to match up with NFL blockers he has shown the ability to win in different ways including long arm and violent chop moves his motor and ability to close and pursuit are lasting takeaways from his tape Anderson is an underpowered Prospect who needs development time but his light feet long arms and pass rush promise are appealing traits okay let's see if he's got anything from Mr zerline uh uh does not look like it we're getting to the bottom of the list for these guys let's see uh does he have any testing 48340 33 almost 34 inch arm so that's good at 6'4 with 34 inch arms that's interesting he is in a lighter side at 247 but you know if you can put on 10 lbs then you're right in the right range for me Donald's outside linebackers 38 38 and half inch vertical 103 broad I'm guessing he does not have a Raz score but let's take a look oh he does awesome thank you kentley platty appreciate you he is a 60th percentile athlete as a defensive end his size grade is okay 70th percent vertical his explosion grade is good 87th percentile broad jump speed grade is okay 48th percentile 40 his agility grade is good which is a good thing for an edge player his 434 shuttle is an 82 percentile number his three cone is 59th percentile so that's not terrible um let's see I'm going to do a little mock draftable for him does he have one I bet he doesn't nope no mock draftable okay honey Anderson we're GNA get through get through a couple more guys I mean I got to tell you some of these guys are very low on the board um including the Seahawks have the second lowest ranked guy on the board who I probably will not get to today I'll tell you who he is just so you know at 867 tied for 867 out of 874 players D Williams a receiver out of Tennessee 867 that is low um all right so let's get back to it um all right next player is Easton Gibbs the linebacker out of Wyoming 352 and let's take a look and see what people say um all right Easton Gibbs the linebacker is Easton Gibbs let's see where he is here um I will tell you he's got good name skill I like I like the name and I like that he is from Wyoming the Seahawks have a decent history Le Brock coils of the world from these Wyoming Montana linebackers that end up good special teams guys good off ball linebackers that are decent tacklers High hustle guys who knows I I I I I have a decent initial feel without knowing anything about this guy Easton Gibbs is is 25th on Dame Bugler's linebacker list out of 32 so not high not high uh he is six feet tall 232 lbs he is 23 years old he was a basketball and baseball player football player growing up he was going to make baseball his full Focus ended up going with football he was starting cornerback quarterback sorry quarterback I'm reading that because he he earned All Conference honors as a hybrid cornerback safety linebacker and finished with 99 tackles two Force fumbles and two interceptions this is high school by the way that is that's an interesting note cornerback safety linebacker sounds a little bit like Cole Bishop um as the best player on the roster Gibbs was named a starting quarterback as a senior a left-handed passer and completed 60% of his passes for 1600 yards 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions he added 734 Rush rushing yards and nine touchdowns on defense he posted 45 tackles two tackles for loss and two interceptions and he also returned kicks they went 1 and 21 during his sophomore and Junior years he turned away transfer opportunities and led the program to six wins as a senior and a spot in the playoffs that's pretty cool that's pretty cool he was named County Player of the Year as a Senor and he also lettered in baseball um that's kind of a fascinating background trusts in his instincts fuels the energy in his feet anticipates play designs well with the diagnosis skills to pick up subtle Clues moves well laterally to scrape and find the football body control and timing limited the Miss tackles on his film easy to spot that he's a former quarterback with the way he reads the passers eyes and jumps routes zero penalties committed in 2023 comes with zero concerns about his work ethic or Focus added nearly 40 PBS since his rolling as a 193b safety voted a team captain in 2023 was a three-year captain in high school has been a team leader at every level of football an NFL scout said he is the ultimate process guy a player General Patton would have loved excellent tackle production as a starter his size loone will eliminate him from some draft boards he's short armed struggles to escape once block cover him up shortest wingspan among linebackers at the combine overall play strength is a concern and will struggle to hold his ground versus NFL power abandon his run gaps at times to avoid lead blocks his speed is adequate but won't close the gap while chasing backs or receivers his length and aggressive tendencies will be more noticeable on tackle attempts in the open field versus NFL athletes he wasn't a regular on special teams the last three seasons um with his aggressive play recognition Gibbs finds quick routes to the football and uses sound tackling technique to get his man to the ground however he doesn't have the length or take on skills to work off blocks and struggle with NFL athletes and coverage his instinctive tackle hunting gives him a chance he projects best as a weak side linebacker or special teamer I don't know guys I like I like Easton Gibbs I like Easton Gibbs I like oh my God is this what he looks like oh my God I'm gonna have to show you guys a picture of this guy oh that's funny uh yeah zerine has him as a free agent average size Falls below the cfff line as an NFL athlete he lacks explosiveness and suddenness in his play college production is a nice starting point but he might not have the athleticism or skill level needed to make a roster Easton Gibbs let me let me get a picture to show here for you guys this this made me laugh um [Laughter] H yeah let me share this screen there you go there's Easton Gibbs look at that look at that face how can you not cheer for East Gibbs yeah all right well I love I love his story I love that part for sure he is a small dude though but he's gonna have to be a brock coil like player and he's got a shot I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't count Easton Gibbs out guys like that find a way all right now we're getting to another name that I know people have liked or been interested in hearing more about this is the 372nd ranked player on the big board his name is Hayden Hatton he's a receiver out of Idaho Hayden Haden oh my gosh why does that always happen Hayden was the 61st ranked receiver for Dame Brugler out of out of wow out of 3113 that's not that bad 61st he was any of the guys ranked around him I don't know there's any of these guys that people would know yeah I'm just going to get into it with Hayden uh so does not have any write up about him he is 6'1 27 PBS ran a 46940 161 10 yard split is not bad 39 inch vertical is good 10 inch 10 foot broad not bad 422 short shuttle seems like a potential interesting mover at least um be interested to hear more about him let's see if Mr zerline has anything to say about him he does not let's see if there's anything other places Hayden Hatton was 300th on the PFF big board he had a 90.6 receiving grade only had a 1.1% drop rate that is Elite great versus Man coverage 66.8 so not a great man guy he's a Zone player uh his rece his grade was 90.6 this year is 91.8 last year the year before he dropped just one of 177 catchable passes thrown his way over the past two seasons however he's limited as an athlete which will mean he'll have an uphill battle to stay in the NFL let's see if he's got a Ras score I think he should there it is Hayden Hatton Hayden hatton's Raz score 67th percentile athlete short arms 31inch arms he's height his his size grade is good his bent press 64th percentile his explosion grade is great 39 in vertical is 93rd percentile so if you're 61 and you got 39 inch vert that's interesting that's like Ricky piol 69th percentile broad speed grades poor 46940 21st percentile 161 split is 44th percentile his agility is actually just okay but his shuttle I was right 70th percentile shuttle so that's not bad but his three cone was 34th percentile um I think an interesting guy someone to watch let me take a quick look here what kind of player he looks to be he's number 84 by the way and let me just see him as a mover for a second I want to see all right likes the the the jump ball likes the jump balls a little bit different than I was expecting to be honest yeah he does like to High Point the ball almost all these highlights I'm seeing are him going up and getting it with a 39 vertical that makes sense yeah so it looks like a jump jump ball kind of guy yeah all right um and like we said there has dropped only one pass at 177 opportunities which is impressive so good hands a guy to watch let's keep going wow we're 90 minutes in we're gonna keep going I I guess I'll I'm gonna I really want to skip Mike novitzki he is the next guy on the list he is 508 on the board board he's a center let me see if there's something here that I find interesting but I'm guessing I'm gonna skip this guy because I want to talk about some of the other players that nitzki was 25th on Dame Brugler board for I guess interior lineman yeah I think so uh 6'3 309 uh yeah I don't think there's anything there worth talking about I'm not going to spend a lot of time on him Gonna Keep Going uh Aaron be's linebacker out of Tennessee is 555th on the big board sure let's take a look um anywhere at linebacker we've got to got to take a look Aaron Beasley was 69th out of 21 linebackers for bugler six feet again so another shorty um 220 lb 48140 1611 yard split 32 and2 inch arms uh let's see does not show up there let's see if he got a Raz score Aaron Beasley does does have a Raz score kentley platty doing it for us again he is a 34th percentile athlete overall very poor size so very small very uh poor explosion grade speed grade is good his agility grade is okay I wonder if there's any chance they see him as a safety I'm gonna just do that as a option here his size becomes great in that case everything else is poor I don't know Aaron Beasley sounds like nothing particularly interesting there going to keep going there are some other guys I'm kind of more interest okay D levelston is 611 on the big board he was a teammate of Byron Murphy um so let's he is 76th on Bugler's Big Board out of 100 59 Edge players 6'3 281 50740 seems like a profile of a guy that's more of a like a defensive end in a 34 like probably needs to put on a little bit of weight uh not sure there's anything particularly interesting here we will see if anyone else has got something to say about him nope let's check out if he's got a Raz score he does remarkable to be honest uh he is a 19th percentile athlete at the defensive end position um size is good mainly because it's 281 pounds but I mean this is a little confusing because they they're Edge players defensive ends I don't know it's all messed up I think defensive ends a hard one to get relative athletic scores for but everything else is pretty poor vertical poor speed grade very poor 50740 I mean yeah agility grade very poor he's got to be a guy they're looking at as a 34 defensive end that would put on some weight and maybe hold up against the run so not not great on Mr levingston levelston I should say continuing down the board Siobhan Cordo is the quarterback out of San Jose State not going to get into him to Merck Williams running back out of North Dakota state is that the right name do I have this right t a m t m ah 66 ranked running back for bugler six foot 218 PBS 46340 31 inch vertical 94 broad not a great shuttle time I mean he looks like looks like a little bit like helani like a one cut kind of dude um let's take a quick look at TA me yep he has got a Ras score remarkable he is a 45th percentile athlete decent height at 6 feet 83r percentile decent weight at 218 76 percentile decent bench 21 reps 78th percentile unlike halani explosion grade very poor um speed grade is okay 463 his agility grade poor so again just sounds like a kind of bruising running back let's keep going we did it we got all the way down to D Williams D Williams the wide receiver 867 I will tell you he is 114th on ruger's Big Board 510 190 lb 45640 30 and 1/2 in arms um yeah let's see where he is as an athlete D Williams he is a 14th percentile athlete poor size very poor explosion grade there's 30 and a half inch that was not his arm length that was his uh vertical gez 30 and a half inch vert 22 percentile broad 40 yard dash is 57th percentile there's not a lot of interesting things here with D Williams the other guy that I know people are interested in I was to is Buddha Jones Buddha Jones is like nowhere to be found on on these lists so he was a camp invite and then got signed I will tell you he's got a Ras score so we'll talk about that he at 6'1 317 pounds he's only got 29 a half inch arms he's got T-Rex arms that weights they've got him at defensive tackle here which is right 86 percentile weight but the bench press 35 reps on the bench press 96 percentile his explosion grade very poor 17th percentile ver broad jump under the under one percentile ninth percentile whatever it is I think it's ninth percentile uh shuttle score 42nd percentile I mean this guy is just a a big strong dude with strong short arms so he's never gonna be a pass rusher he does look like a guy that clearly got enough attention that they're going to bring him in and he just looks like a guy that can plug a gap so who knows who knows with a guy like that but those are the players those are I went through all of them can you believe it we went through all of them so congrats on making it through and my kind of takeaways in going through all those guys are that I am certainly interested in Nelson Caesar you know sixth sixth ranked player on the big board that was not drafted so definitely a draftable player he got a lot of guaranteed money so one to watch and the Seahawks have some things I think his profile seems and he looks a little bit like a Derek Hall to me which you could decide whether that's a good thing or not Garrett Greenfield The Tackle also is interesting at 215 on the big board pretty interesting athlete I think he set the combine record for offensive lineman in vertical jump not that offensive line need to jump much but that just tells you the kind of athlete he is and where he could fit you know Stone fory maybe he pushes Stone foresight for a spot maybe he's just a practice squad guy that you keep around for a year and next year he becomes you know swing tackle but that's interesting Carlton Johnson the corner ranked 27 three on the big board interesting kind of guy um I think George helani has a very straight line to their roster as a running back seems to make a decent amount of sense for the Seahawks and could be a good special teams player as well Ro Torrance is the guy with the long arms tall dude at corner a little bit questionable about whether he can stick with guys based off his lack of agility Jack Westover we talked about I think has a decent chance as an HB and could be a nice versatile player I think the comparable for me there continues to be Kyle yusek I think he's got some of that in his game and from there Easton Gibbs you know you never know he's got like he's got the special teams profile Hayden Hatton he's not the receiver I thought he was I thought he was going toting more of a route Runner kind of Separation guy he looks like primarily a Highpoint guy 39inch vertical 6 foot2 something like that um he's an interesting player I I don't know that he's got a really decent chance to make the roster but another one to watch so those are the guys that stood out to me I'm interested to hear if you guys have any that stood out to you please make sure you give the show a like click subscribe and tune in make sure because tomorrow I can't tell you for sure but we're g to try to have a Seahawks player interviewed tomorrow probably will happen in the afternoon I may still do a Morning Show depending on if there's something I feel like is worth chatting about and between now and then become a YouTube member the link is pinned in chat and it's in the description of the video would love to get more YouTube members can keep the 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