Best of the Week: ABC's Terrible Debate Moderators, Taylor Swift's Endorsement, Feminization of Men

hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to the Megan Kelly show and today's weekend best of special my goodness it was a busy week I was with the all-in podcast guys on Monday in LA and then Tucker Carlson in Kansas City Missouri on Thursday and then on Tuesday night we were all together you and I after that ABC presidential debate did you watch Hello if you missed it you can see our instant reaction live from this set as well as analysis from Emily jashinsky and Rich Lowry it went totally viral my goodness that thing was everywhere you'll see why in the clip that we selected for today plus Buck ston was with me to break down one key moment from the debate that showed how the ABC moderators let this thing go completely off the rails plus our friends from the fifth column they're always fun they joined me to talk about the Taylor Swift endorsement man she's annoying as well as reaction that we are seeing from focus groups to this debate didn't actually go so swimmingly as the mainstream would have you believe at least that's not what the instant reaction was uh they were pretty skeptical actually as it turns out of KLA Harris's performance and Adam Corolla joined us when we were out in LA to talk about the feminization of men in America and so much more enjoy and talk to you Monday well I watched it did you watch it I'm disgusted I'm disgusted I'm ashamed of those moderators at ABC news they did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do the person who runs ABC News is a close personal friend of kamla Harris that is responsible for kamla Harris and her husband meeting and they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight it was three against one on that debate stage this evening hi everyone I'm Megan Kelly a special program tonight for you reacting to the debate it was three against one it's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are entirely on your side Trump did the best he could under the circumstances but it really was like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent and Trump tried to take them all on he did fine he did his best as he could he was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry and so was I we you this was a mistake to trust ABC news with this debate the Republicans must learn from this mistake the same way the Democrats never never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust this should be the last time the Republicans ever do this because those two moderators Tred to to sync Donald Trump tonight the numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said none I don't remember a single fact check of anything she said and she lied repeatedly she just got away with it in the moderator's eyes that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her that's correct except you didn't employ that same tactic when it came to Trump and you accused him of lying even when it was your opinion that he lied when Trump T tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by a whisker was him being sarcastic David Mir actually injected saying I didn't hear sarcasm who gives a what you heard who died and let left you political analyst and chief you're supposed to be the objective news anchor of World News Tonight that's a comment you make to your significant other David not on the debate I it didn't sound like that to me shut up that is inappropriate it's not for you to make that call leave it up to kamla Harris leave it up to people like me who will play the sound bite and let the audience decide but you were out a line and they did it to him over and over and over again and the worst the wor worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC News which was as follows Mr Trump you said something incredibly controversial and terrible let me remind you of what it was do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were Trump answers vice president Harris how bad is Trump and then she'd answer it happened over and over again that was the format Mr Trump you're a piece of KLA Harris isn't he a it thank you it it was incredible and then anything Trump said fact check fact check fact check and their fact checks were full of I'm I'm swearing even more than normal right now because I'm mad I'm angry I'm angry at them at ABC at my industry that I want nothing to do with and I i' I've never been happier to be outside and be able to say how I truly feel and yes even with some colorful words because that's what the situation calls for they're trying to steal this election they're openly working to sink him I don't I think it was so bad their their bias against him and toward her that it's going to backfire I actually think the American public is going to see through this and there's probably going to be some empathy for Trump no fair-minded person could think anything other than that they were in the tank for him and it was three against one on that stage tonight joining me to discuss it Emily jashinsky DC correspondent for unheard and Rich Lowry editorinchief of National Review I've never seen anything like it rich I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential debate level well contines the theme of this race right they've been completely in the tank for kamla Harris and the moderators on the debate stage were completely in the tank for KLA Harris and you just you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check when Trump was talking about abortion and was talking about he misspoke it in this instance he got it right later when he said the West Virginia governor the former he meant the former Virginia governor had talked about you can have abortions after birth right and he didn't say any state has abortions after birth he just said the governor had said this which is a correct statement and then he's fact checked by saying well Mr Trump there there's no state in America that has abortion after nine months actually there are a few instances in Minnesota who's correct about that as well but this is a point the fact check was incorrect right and this is why debate moderators should fact check you know the CNN moderators did not fact check because what you think the fact is in that moment may be subjective he may be wrong and you're tilting the playing field and certainly to fact check one candidate and never fact check the other she she did the Charlottesville lie that the both both sides are fine people lie no fact check she did the bloodbath lie he clearly didn't mean that you know that the country is going to be um they're going to be R in the street if he's not elected it was is an economic statement No fact check so the Moder aters were disgraced it's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night uh one was he took a lot of bait from from Comm Harris he didn't need to the other was the the horrendous moderation agree he took bait he shouldn't have taken he was defending himself on the pandemic he he was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him onto something that was more offensive that was a tactical error by him but I do want to just spend a minute on this fact check you just mentioned here it is here's the moment we're referring to where lindsy Davis helpfully fact checked Trump on this abortion claim they have abortion in the ninth month they even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia the previous governor of West Virginia not the current governor is doing an excellent job but the governor before he said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby in other words we'll execute the baby there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born okay that's not true maybe she can use the word kill it's it's not like somebody's sticking a knife in the dead baby in the in the alive baby as it's dying Emily but you and I both know that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere if you are trying to abort a baby in the ninth month or otherwise and it's born instead of dying in the mother's womb they will let that baby sit on the table and die die and Trump's claim though rich is right he said at first West Virginia later he corrected himself to Virginia their former Governor Ralph Northam said this on camera admitted to this here is the sound bite uh if a mother is in labor I can tell you exactly uh what would happen um the infant would be delivered uh the infant would be kept comfortable uh the infant would be resuscitated if if that's what the mother and the family desired and then a discussion would ensue between the Physicians and the mother so I'll give you one other Roger srino he's with the Heritage Foundation tweeting out the following Harris and as it turns out Lindsey Davis is dead wrong some babies do survive abortions and can be saved but are denied life-saving treatment including under Tim wal's watch Harris even voted against the born alive abortion survivors protection act to defend that would have defended the lives of these babies their right to live once born unconscionable Trump didn't say any of that okay he tried but the nerve of this moderator to inject herself into it without any of this here's I find es here's what I find especially infuriating about that she chose she editorialized with all the sanctimony in the world uh to say that word to focus in on that word quote execute I don't know if she knows any of the context that you just provided which is all completely accurate and known to people who follow the news closely unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing your job which is obviously the case here but she chose to editorialize and say it's not true you can't execute you can't kill babies I mean actually it depends on whether or not you consider having a baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care if you if you don't consider that an execution okay but she is injecting here to quibble editorially and and she doesn't have a leg to stand on on this particular issue there were obvious moments where KLA Harris could have been fact checked to just as any candidate could I don't object to them fact checking Donald Trump I object to them factchecking as rich said period um you know we didn't after that CNN debate about Biden talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons namely because of Biden but we also really saw them sink into the background of that debate it was the opposite in this case they were constantly injecting themselves constant fact checks didn't get a fact check on IVF project 2025 as Abigail shrier pointed out nothing on Charlottesville even when Snopes had fact checked what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville that KLA Paris repeated nothing on abortion nothing on that bloodbath comment they just let it all go and just went straight for trump it was all him none nothing no not one fact check on KLA Harris but Emily what you point out guess for the insanity of it if she was going to be strictly accurate in her fact check she would have said well it's it's not technically an execution because you're not affirmatively killing the child instead after the child's born you're just giving the child comfort care and not the medical care that might be necessary to save him or her that's an opinion right that's a debate answer and and so but instead they do it under the guise of a fact check which gives it this this Authority it doesn't deserve that they're using that uh by the grace of them sitting there as as moderators it's a total abuse of their role yeah and and the same thing on Trump's attempt to claim that when he said in a podcast that he lost the 2020 election by a whisker he I said this on my show today you guys I said if I were asking the questions tonight I would ask him about that and about the fact that he said on a podcast last week he lost by a whis by a whisker and you should bring that up and that's fine to bring that up which they did and I was actually surprised by Trump's answer I was being sarcastic and I'm going to be honest I don't know that he was being sarcastic in that answer either I didn't detect the sarcasm myself that's not appropriate as a fact check David Mur I I wanted to do this since the debate because my I share your frustration about Trump on immigration in particular and there's just so many opportunities for him to shove it down her throat and he tried to bring it up but just didn't do the most effective job of it but i' I have this little bit I'm going to show you with these sound bites it's just a it's a run it's just this one Q&A it went for 2 minutes but I I sliced and diced it so you can see we can forensically go through just how effed up the whole thing was this clip I'm going to show these clips to show you how bad David mure was how frustrating KLA Harris was and how frustrating Trump was which is why we're all feeling so frustrated about this debate those of us who do not want to see this woman Ascend to power uh in the presidency so let's let's go to the issue of when they did ask kamla Harris about what took you so long to try to do anything about the border right six months before the election Joe Biden puts a b puts a Band-Aid in place to try to look like oh we've got control of the Border we all knew why he was doing that he doesn't care about the border for all the reasons he is dis spoused so here's the question to Harris my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until 6 months before the election to act and would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this okay good question why did it why it take so long and would you have done anything differently here we go fair question let's hear what she has to say so I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations the traffing of guns drugs and human beings and let me say that the United States Congress including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate came up with a border security bill which I supported and I'm going to actually do something really unusual and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Don because it's a really interesting nothing to do with immigration you will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter he will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and bard of so she pivots off of one of the most important issues in the country today why didn't you do anything about this and would you have done anything differently than your boss to his rallies and we all knew what was going to happen because she was like something shiny over here and Trump that is his trigger spot his rallies his crowd sizes ran like strudwick after the liver snaps when I throw them on the side lawn ran for it with gusto here he is people don't leave my rallies we have the biggest rallies the most incredible rallies in the history of politics that's because people want to take their country back our country is being lost okay so then you're like please pivot back to the issue please Trump bring it back to immigration like shove all those facts that you just said down her throat he could have brought up lak and Riley he could have brought up the famili he's been spend spending time with at the border whose daughters have been killed at age 12 by these illegals Crossing into America he went a different way which it was an issue and it's fine to talk about it was not the best issue here's where he went and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States and a lot of towns don't want to talk not going to be Aurora or Springfield a lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it in Springfield they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there and this is what's happening in our country now David Mir comes in to save the day more oh here I am objective fact Checker I'm going to hammer orange man watch I just want to clarify here you bring up Springfield Ohio and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there uh he told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant Community seen people on television let me say here this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food so maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager I'm not taking this from T people television dog was eaten by the people that went there again the Springfield City manager says there's no evidence of that vice president now the moderator is arguing with Trump over a city manager in Springfield Ohio versus what Trump has seen on television by the way that's why you should not fact check a thing that is in dispute and has not been settled David Mir but things are spinning off the rails how far away are we right now from the The Joe Biden immigration policies and whether she would have done anything differently so now he turns to Harris this is your opportunity David Mir to get this thing back on track and look at her and say the question Madam was would you have done anything differently than Joe Biden did he does turn to kamla Harris and this is what happens I'll let you respond to the rest of what you heard you talk about extreme what um that's not the toss this is I think one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush Mitt Romney and John McCain including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney the toss to her is not would you have anything to say I'll just follow up you know would you like to respond it's you didn't answer the question you talked about rallies and of course what does she say nothing about immigration all these Republicans love me he's unhinged this is why we felt sick when this thing was over well this also shows you and I I like that you broke it up in in that way it's very clear that KLA Harris memorized different little speeches and respond and her whole game plan was get to speech a get to speech B had nothing to do and avoid of course actual policy discussion which is which is what happened happened there uh that was you know I'll be honest with you Megan like a I'm having a little little flashback trauma to watching that just because me too that was if if these are two boxers in a ring that was kamla Harris unsteady on her legs ready for The Knockout blow and Trump going off into the corner and doing a little dance and waving you know to people in the crowd I that that for me and and she and it just makes me so mad because she knew exactly what she was doing and it worked okay you and I it worked she was able toade like a charm worked like a charm and Trump went right for it and but you know the other side of it and and I I know that there's there's a lot of people who like they think everything Trump does is great I'm not one of those people I do like Trump a lot and support uh you know his president with with all that I can um he's not a SK he's a great presenter and Entertainer he's not a skilled debater those are different skill sets you and I know like there are people who people like oh so and so is so good uh so good on current events I'm like they read off a piece of glass they don't know anything right I mean there there even within media people can have different areas of Competency or or lack thereof same thing in politics um but I do think that because of the I I I don't know if persecution narrative is the right way to put it but because of the sense that everything is always stacked against Trump by The Establishment this very much plays into that Trump has never had a great debate performance you know has never had a great debate performance still won which one I mean oh I'm thinking about general election debates but yeah I mean that's he's very good and funny when he has what was amazing about Trump in the general election I'm sorry in the primary against Republican was how much he was able to command the stage right like you've got eight other people there or whatever it was and it was like Trump and really nobody else was there and that's like a superpower right I mean really most of the time you have all these these politicians like excuse me like I you know they look like the kid in the class who really wants to get in and answer all the questions and it's just not a trump just stands there and with limited time was always the center of attention no matter where he was and he was actually Center Stage because he was first in the polls in general elections I mean I'd have to think back I don't think he did a great job against Hillary Clinton in the debate I think he had an amazing campaign and obviously won that I can't say that he did a great job against Joe Biden to memory I'd have to go back and look at it the first time around he obviously had a knockout blow against Biden this time around but wasn't that really just Jo Biden I mean it was Joe B he was good I mean Trump trump didn't step on it but this time around I was expect something better but I also think the debates debates matter people understand how unfair this was I do think people understand how unfair this was and I don't think this this debate is going to move the polls and we'll get to people who disagree with me um we've got some of that sound queued up but but this Trump has been spending time with grieving families whose kids were killed by illegals he knows he knows these facts it's just he's driven by whatever he's seen on TV most recently but we have been covering I mean look at this sound bait he went down uh to the border and he met with moms who talked about the murder Mur of their daughters watch this daughter was she 12 she had dreams to be famous she wanted to be a famous actor June 17th was the day her life was taken she was left with no clothing from the waist down was thrown in a bayou [Music] left I'm strangled to death We Believe yes she was assaulted they had no reason to do anything that they did to Joselyn there was over 300 detention beds that they should have been at because they were detained and they were released when they shouldn't have been released they had one had an ankle monitor didn't stop anything so now I have to go through the rest of my life with my son always asking for his sister please take into consideration how important border control is because we're losing very innocent people it's a heinous cry please help him make a change this poor woman her name is Alexis nangar her daughter was Joseline there was another Mom down there Patty Moren talking about her daughter's murder and both of the suspects had illegally entered the United States this year they were released into the country uh they one had claimed he feared for safety if he'd been sent back to Venezuela the other was fitted with an ankle monitor but removed it after it was determined he had no known criminal history Doug brunt my husband he doesn't react to that much in the news and so when it gets his attention I know that something's gone either very right or very wrong and he did not like this clip from Tim wals reacting to the Taylor Swift news watch Taylor Swift signed childless cat lady I have to get your response to that Mr Governor all those things I I am incredibly grateful first of all to Taylor Swift I say that also as a cat owner a fellow cat owner uh look you heard it we know that it's there that was eloquent and it was clear and that's the type of Courage we need in America to stand upage okay so for the listening audience when he first reacted his mouth was like this yeah and and my husband said he looks like Elmer fud that's what he looks like Elmer fud like there's something off about this guy um and just one more for you different but similar uh reaction from Lawrence odonnell on MSNBC The Harris for president campaign now has the two most perfectly timed and most important endorsements of this campaign Joe Biden's 27 minute time ement after he said I'm not the candidate perfect timing it just put a rocket on on her to the nomination and it's so important I think to the people who are going to be consuming that Taylor Swift endorsement including those fathers of 8-year-old girls and the timing on it is absolutely Exquisite the wording of it is Flawless and perfect right down to the cat lady stuff there you go the fathers that's you guys the fathers of the young girls are gonna be pushed I I know I mean I don't really get it on Instagram first of all I don't um two comments two very important comments that uh everyone should pay attention to uh I really cannot stand on cable news when people pretend that something's funny because someone important is on he said I got a cat owner too and I was like oh my God that was an amazing Tim WS of Minnesota that's the first very important thing it makes me sick uh the second thing is I don't like the Joe B that was the rocket first I was at the DNC I don't remember that Rocket taking off and then the fathers of 8-year-old girls my daughter is 13 and as you could imagine she's perfect and hilarious and everything that said I don't look to the people that she listens to on her Spotify account and say who are they going to vote for that's what I really want to know because you know sometimes it's Freddy Mercury and he doesn't have a choice right now I have I have an 11-year-old son that's my youngest and all the people he listens to sing about poop and farts that's really his who are that there's a lot of songs on there you're into that's fine but there's a lot of song this is these are not our political um you know opinion makers go ahead Matt DJ scat might want to have a talk with him by the way but that's just you I'm not many uh my daughter is a 16-year-old Swifty uh my other daughter is becoming a Swifty she's nine uh and uh she's not going to be moved even uh millimeters by this she's moved by as all 16-year-old girls are by uh hilarious Tik Tok videos having to do with like skibbidy ridlers and things like that um and Melania Trump U Melania Trump is an absolute hero to 16-year-old girls I think she's fantastic is that true oh yeah yeah well to 16-year-old girl but I could see it she's I mean she's a hero to me too yeah me too that's pretty cool so much they've forgotten that she's our hottest First Lady by a lot by a lot exed close in like like Abigail nothing please I'm on the record I don't believe you put Joe Biden on the on the cover as our Fashion Icon we're supposed to be looking up to Jill Biden remember Jill Biden remember Joe Biden um yeah he's still president just FYI I don't know if you're aware here is another attempted um well it's Trump who's doing the fact check but I can't believe David Mir had the nerve to say this about the crime stats watch this St nine crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made crime in this country is through the roof and we have a new form of crime it's called migrant crime and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible president Trump as you know the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country but Pres FBI defra they were defrauding statements they they didn't include the worst cities they didn't include the cities with the worst crime it was a a fraud that is totally correct what Trump said in response he was having to fact check the moderator jents fact check the moderator not only is he right they did remove the major cities several of them from that crime study he that that was referenced but on top of that the decrease in violent crimes is looking at all post George Floyd if you want to compare present day year present year to 2019 pre George Floyd there is not we are not down we are we are up considerably and Heather McDonald has been pointing this out and pointing out if you want to go back even further and look at the Ferguson effect after 2014 and compare where we were prior to Ferguson versus now again we've skyrocketed none of which would be offered by David Mir but what do you make to of the fact that Trump had to fact check not only Kamala but the moderators it didn't help that As Trump always does um he then extends and uh his own kind of apocalyptic hyperbole right so he's in the same way that like danab bash gives kamla Harris four different things to ways to answer a question to make it soft on on her he gives moderators especially ones who are keyed up through what I think is peer pressure really from their colleagues industrially to be sort of on Trump so he doesn't abuse his platform when he says you know our country is being destroyed Israel is going to cease to exist in two years you said that KLA is a communist his dad's a communist Joe Biden hates her um a lot of these are are like jokes know he's alive doesn't know that was funny um so like he's giving in addition to that fact check there and I I I take your word for it Megan um of uh his depiction of it but he's also saying these other things and so uh it it kind think dulls the impact right Donald Trump is never going to come across as the person who's going to be the the biggest truth teller on any stage um and especially towards the end when he knew I think that he was kind of um uh scrambling for keeping his head above water in this debate he sped up and he get kept getting more and more hyperbolic in his statements in a way that it it just becomes hard to take him seriously and and I think um even in those things that he was saying about KLA Harris she was skillful in not taking the bait herself she could have said oh no my dad's not communist she's like left she she left that there she left a bunch of stuff there which was very wise it was smart but she's not capable of doing it she was like that is not part of my wrote memorization what card is that on I do not have it there were yeah there were two grades that we were talking about last night the one on substance and on style and I think she did well on style she backed up and she did she didn't fall on her face that like we thought we were going to do she was going to do but if you if you look at the David Mur question there's actually um the first four or five words are the key to it andan people kind of forget this she said uh he said Mr President as you know which is a blatant accusation of lying I mean the thing is is that there's a number of ways and again like Matt I I haven't looked at this stuff and looked at it recently I'm trusting your um your take on it Megan but there's a number of ways of looking at these statistics right going back to 1993 in New York when there were over 2,000 murders like oh it's down it's like yes but down where's your starting point so you can be generous in some sense and say you know you're interpreting this a different way but if you look at it this way Mr President but you're just going out of the block and saying as you know Mr President that is incorrect that's a you I don't think you should do that as a moderator I'm sorry but let me give you some stats let me give you some stats because we had Heather McDonald on the show who you can trust implicitly I mean Heather does her homework on all things revolving around crime she's this is like one of her beats and here are some of the the stats that we pulled in connection with that interview according to the Council on criminal justice comparing 2023 to 2019 the homicide rate uh 18% higher in 2023 versus 19 gun assault rate 32% higher uh carjacking 93% higher car theft 105% higher Chicago total crime up 55% in 2023 robbery up 38% car theft up 22% Memphis homicides up 87% um and as for those the the the one article that the left Rachel mattow and David mure are basing their claims on that crime has been falling that it's at a 50-year low and all and so on and so forth um the guy admits that the major cities were not included in this report some major cities uh like Chicago and Los Angeles did not report any data so Trump was right you don't have to believe Trump you can believe me you can believe Heather McDonald you can believe the guy who authored the study on which David mure is basing that claim you can believe the city the Council on criminal justice the point is it's not the candidate's job to clean up the moderators inaccurate questions this is such again he was in the Foxhole everyone was surrounding him firing down at the guy and Trump was trying to put you know stop the gunfire at every turn there the guy's human and there's only so much he can do that's why I watched this thing and I felt empathy for him I felt like this is unfair this is not a fair test of what a president can do and what we should be putting our presidential candidates through in order to get to the office this is it's it's almost cruel it's just it's trying to humiliate him that's how I felt watching it I just I I I keep coming back to the fact that he even he talked about his expectations of unfairness in the debate he did not expect them to be fair he said so in advance I he said to before the CNN debate as well and that they were fair and just if you know that that is the case there's two things they probably should have done the campaign insist that there be another debate on Fox news or something like that so that you at least have this other opportunity and it's already there forced kamla to do it um and the second thing is again you know what the defects of your candidate are you know that he has difficulty just being disciplined and staying on message that you should laser focus on that every question should come and for every comma response you should uh go back to the fact that you're in office right now why haven't you done it already you should have said it like twice you should have said it every single time and then apologize I know you're at home and you're you're watching and I've said this eight times already but I'll say it again because she is the sitting vice president they aren't doing the things she promises you that she's going to do that are going to make your life better what is she waiting for you can't trust her that would have worked he should have said he never said that that you can't trust her she changes her positions all the time she makes all these promises but she doesn't do them while she's in office his best answer was his closing statement where he did make these points over and over here's a highlight just started by saying she's going to do this she's going to do that she's going to do all these wonderful things why hasn't she done it she's been there for three and 1/2 years they've had three and 1/2 years to fix the Border they've had three and 1/2 years to create jobs and all the things we talked about why hasn't she done it she should leave right now go down to that beautiful white house go to the capital get everyone together and do the things you want to do but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision but I just ask one simple question why didn't she do it Primacy and recency that's what viewers remember and here was the CBS focus group of I believe it was Pennsylvania undecideds uh reacting after the debate and listen to what came up she just basically um repeated everything that Biden has um said in the past what were your thoughts she made um Donald Trump made a strong closing statement by saying why didn't they do all the things that she's proposing during the three and a half years that they've been in office and Biden did this entire moderate stance back in 2020 and she's trying to do it again in 2024 but she didn't talk about her policy changes between 2020 and 2024 her whole Centrist moderate stance is just a facade H you guys it reminds me a little bit of the um uh post uh DNC glow when everybody in the building was just talking about all the joy don't you feel Joy you're being joyed on all over your face and there was there was a tangible Joy or at least euphoric sense of relief in the audience because they didn't have to pretend that Joe Biden was fit to be president or at least like a good uh candidate um they had some nice speeches from the Obamas and and Oprah Winfrey and stuff so people were in a good mood they had a really great DJ legitimately um playing like swed Alabama um so there was joy in the building but they tried to incept the joy as if all of America was feeling it and no all of America isn't the people who can get through 75 security checkpoints and into the United Center um uh you know for a few days Americans are people who haven't heard from this vice president right uh we know who Trump is Americans know who Trump is there's not going to be a lot of new information unless he somehow changes in a certain way and there's an argument that maybe has changed a little bit um but they don't really know kamla Harris as a president she candidate and aspirant and as the guy said in the Pennsylvania Focus room we haven't got good explanations at all about how she's changed her mind and how this then impacts what she's going to be like um so that yes is the job of a moderator but it also uh gives us a sense that maybe there's a cap on even right now on a debate that it seems pretty clear that she won I think most people who watch it will say she won um but the question is how much of an impact is that going to have on people when you have on one hand a lot of those who don't have that natural sense of democratic Joy are going to look at the way that this was moderated and presented and feel like this is just continuing the sneering that I'm that I'm reacting against this is the thing that attracts me to to begin with um even if we don't like him and thinks that he colors too much Outside the Lines or don't like this policy or that part of the Trump Coalition and the modern day Republican Coalition is a revulsion at kind of elite discourse of Journalism of whatever the elites think that they were trying to do um you're going to put more people in that position so the DNC bump there really wasn't one and within a week or two it kind of dissipated I think that she will get a measurable bump but I think that there's a ceiling on that precisely because of that response and also just because it is has been a 50-50 race all along it's not going to become 8 this is what's interesting so she won but what did she win did she actually persuade anybody or there millions of people sitting at home like that guy saying I did not hear her explain why she flipped on fracking and I know she flipped on fracking I did not hear her explain the Private health insurance or the guns she just denied it but I've seen the sound bites and here was another person this is a CNN focus group um who got a similar message who had a similar takeaway like okay for all the dazzling like rhetorical oh you know you didn't do this and you're terrible and everyone hates you this was his takeaway I think it's a him watch I think it's important to remember that we are voting for the leader of our country and not who we like the most or who we want in our wedding party but who is actually going to make our country better and we're in an incredibly unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before and we've gotten to see what they would do and when facts come to facts my life was better when Trump was in office the economy was higher inflation was lower things were better overall and now now with um kamala's Administration things haven't been so fantastic and she's saying she can fix the problems that her Administration has caused but I just don't know if I can afford to take that risk were you leaning towards the former president coming in tonight probably and did you vot for him in 2016 or 2020 I did interesting this is the thing that frustrates as you know I heard some people talking about this last night Republicans I think Ben Shapiro was talking about I think he's a pretty good Weather Vein for for republicans in in some senses is that you hear the anger from people and I know Megan you said you you had some sympathy for him hear the anger at Donald Trump for not seizing on these opportunities that those were two articulate answers from two different panels on CNN and I guess the other one was F but these people who make you know good points and I've heard it before when I'm out in the field talking to people too and if you're a republican you have to say you know on the immigration isue why you talking about cats why are you not talking about the Border in a more substantial way you get to it at some point right well yeah you get to it at some point you get to the end and people did remember that but they're there at CNN tasked with watching the whole debate is everybody getting through I was getting exhausted by minute 85 and then he leaves the good stuff for the end and I'm thinking of that if I'm in this situation and the moderators are being this way you could have so many of those people in those focus groups talking about the good line not a canned line but a natural line in the way of like Reagan which I think was probably a canned line there you go again you know going after the moderat like you know look at look at what these people are doing these are this is your media these are the people that are telling you things about me right do you trust these people something like that but when you talk about the crime stats all you have to do is is beseech the audience to listen to and say what's your what's the nearest city to you do you feel that that City's safe do you feel like things are better do you feel like your groceries are you know less expensive than they were under my Administration just you g into CVS lately what was your experience everything's locked up you can't I mean I literally this is actually true the other night I was in the city I was trying to get pain kills and I was like it I'll I'll screw it I'll deal with it because I have to find someone to unlock it and it's like no this is an annoyance in my life that actually kind of matters to me because RIT large it's a big thing but Donald Trump has absolutely Z discipline he's so obsessed with personal grievances as I said the people saying oh it's genius that he mentioned the crowd size no it's not genius I know that you know that everybody knows that if you look back but I will say hand if you look back at like I did at the transcript he he brings up the economy a lot to his credit and he did bring up immigration a lot he did manage to weave both of those things into his messaging throughout it was just so much being thrown at him it got it got lost here is another um this is David chal and over on CNN talking about a focus group on um the economy and watch this who better understands problems facing people like you uh before the debate 39% said that about Harris 43% Trump and look at how that flips for Harris after the debate 43% of the debate Watchers say that she understands problems facing people like them 40% say that about Trump look at the economy here uh who would you who would better handle the economy as what we asked going into the debate before the debate 37% said Harris 53% Trump after the debate again margin of er stuff here but numerically she lost a little ground 35% said so after the debate that she would better handle the economy 55% said Trump that's the risk in not in just dodging and weaving if you're her on on these answers like she threw out the same nonsense about how she's going to I don't know give people $25,000 loans and she's going to help small businesses people don't buy it they don't trust her to handle the economy they know Trump can do it and I think his last message about you were you better off four years ago why hasn't she done anything in these past three and a half you know may have resonated with some people not withstanding Uncle Joe the elderly Statesman who runs down the middle was going to just bring us together and we'll get away from the chaos that is Donald Trump that was the promise four years ago then the guy went on a tour where he basically worked race into every single speech agitating every person that wasn't white saying white supremacy was the biger and and doing much more divisive agitation than anyone who came before him and now we're supposed to believe this isn't going to happen again I mean that that was just the promise she's on camera saying be more woke that's the answer to everything more woke Biden at least had the dignity to lie when he was running saying we're just going to tact back toward the middle we're going to stop we're going to cool the temp stop the vitriol and we'll bring sort of Civility and Sanity back to the United States now he didn't do any of that but who knows what he knows and he's probably just being told to say something but Cala I would have the nothing that would lead me to believe that this would happen again and and by the way how could it if the rules are like so here here here are the rules on the left we would like to turn your city into a sanctuary City uh we would like to protest on behalf of Hamas we would like 13year olds getting their genitalia cutting off and then if I say something about it now there's a problem and now there's agitation well excuse me crazy person you can't if I had a roommate and he said you know my policy is I always leave the refrigerator door open and I never do my dishes and I don't flush the toilet I'd go well that's not right and then you'd go oh starting trouble are we no Unity no Unity for you it's like yeah you come in here with a bunch of crazy ideas and policy that's destructive and hurtful and when I raise my hand and go I'm not down with that then you go Oh I thought we had Unity they're so divisive I'm going to bring back Unity to the country this okay so enter Ron Howard who I'm so disappointed in little Opie so he made the movie JD Vance Hill Metallica song ever enter Ron Howard he made he made the movie hillbilly elgy a couple of years ago based on JD Vance's bestselling book and good for him for making the movie even though at that point we knew that JD Vance you know seemed to be more Republican leaning but more of a trump Whisperer at that point who could explain the white working class as opposed to you know it's fine to be a republican as long as you're Trump Republican um and so he makes this movie about him and just like Glen Close who felt the need to take a shot at JD Vance rather than just keeping her pie hole shut oh yeah she played the mom she played the M the mama who changed his life and so Ron Howard is asked about this new evil JD Vance and whether he regrets making this film and instead of taking the high road Adam you know like I stand by the storytelling it was a great American story and I'm not going to weigh in beyond that that's for the voters to decide he goes full low road watch I have been uh surprised and uh you know and and and concerned by a lot of the rhetoric um you know coming out of that campaign G given the experience that I had then five six years ago uh yeah I'd say that I've that I've been um that I've been you know surprised listen to what the candidates are saying today that's what's relevant it's who they are today and make a make a decision an informed one but then he added more he gave an interview to deadline and he said here's the question by the way from deadline you made an underdog story about a poor young man from a dysfunctional family with a grandmother who would not let him fail he has evolved from that young man into a polarizing volatile conservative nice nice objective question deadline I'm sure people have said to you Ron what have you Unleashed how do you process that blah blah blah blah blah I'm very surprised and disappointed by much of the rhetoric I'm reading and hearing people do change and I assume that's the case so he's surprised disappointed at the rhetoric and he's concerned about it and really wants people to listen to what they're saying and then vote accordingly um none of that on the comma herde none of that when they called him a Hitler none of that against the complaints that he's a misogynist actually in this case give the other side and say you know what I know he said some things that are controversial but I the man I came to know was raised by strong women who changed his life and I have to believe they had a longlasting effect on this man yeah well it's interesting when you think about a guy like Ron Howard because he'll say things I've heard coming out of their campaign things you read on on variety and USA today in LA Times and New York Times like there are people in my life who I talk to all the time they legitimately have no idea about what the story with the true comments you know good people on both sides or whatever they have no inject bleach you know what he said inject bleach I read 10 articles that said in why should I hire you know why do I want to vote for a guy said inject bleach or that you know all Muslims were terrorists or something like that yeah yeah he said I read he said he was going to be a dictator bloodbath on the I think first day's dictator second day's bloodbath but either way like why would I so to be fair to Ron Howard he may just be reading this stuff in the places he gets his information which could be the LA Times in which case he would think that that's what they're doing you know they needs to cast a wider net JD Vance said school shootings were a good thing and he hopes there's more of them oh man well I wouldn't vote for that he swims in a swimming pool with a shirt on I'm not voting for him uh so Ron is probably in the bubble the bubble gets their info from within the bubble and many of them legitimately do not have any idea what is going on outside of that group and when they get their information from CNN but it could be AB or NBC it doesn't have to be you know MSNBC they get their version of he said school shootings were a nice thing and then they believe it and then they form their opinions now what is kind of on them is everyone needs to be a little more dubious you know what I mean like when you hear that headline this point you know the the media is lying to you about Trump you must know this yeah and it's it's it's a little bit of a two-way street you'll see conservative things come out that says you know uh Tim Walls said the Holocaust was a good thing you know and I go he probably said something about the Holocaust but I don't think he the right media doesn't do it nearly as much and the left that's what they do that's that's their thing is twisting twisting stuff but as a person that consumes information and then has to report it you know on the air you have to kind of put on your hat that that's has a big question mark on it and kind of go let me look into this a little more like even if it look if JD Vance thought school shootings were good why would he say that into a microphone in front of a crowd like that that's something he wouldn't do it even if he thought that so let me let me go back and watch the tape and they don't do it the um number of flip-flops that she's done I think the left has heard about these just don't care they they like the original positions they believe her that her values haven't changed they know she's got to say they've changed in order to win this election and over the weekend one of her campaign spokes people came out and really put a new spin on it but I think it was a fine spin for the left they'll go along with this this is Ian Sams uh on Thursday actually it was on CNN take a listen aat 25 been part of the Biden Administration I mean she has been part of the democratic Democrats have been control of the country for the last three going on four years and you are still seeing this in the polling I mean these working-class voters are telling us right now that more of them are with Donald Trump than KLA Harris why what is it about what you guys have been doing for the last three plus years uh that explains that well I think again we're trying to talk to the voters and explain this message we've got 60 days until the election uh you know we don't have time to sit around and think about why over the last few years certain things may have happened or may not have happened you don't now probably his wallet looks pretty good his trips to the grocery store are not stressful and this is one of her top people saying we really don't have time to think about why what happened over the past three and a half years happened just vote KLA Harris yeah so we're at a inflection point as far as I can tell which is sort of Subaru Good Vibes taking over for tough you know built Ford tough and Subarus are built with love right and the People Like Us go I I'm just a brass taxer I want to know all the information and all the policy but there's enough and I think I think what it is is enough men have sort of slid over to the Good Vibes made with love departments probably circulating estrogens and too much plastic and our food and lowow low testosterone could be a thing oh yeah no guys are turning into women essentially they're losing all their sperm they're losing all whatever made them dudes and so they're not worried about powertrain warranties anymore they're worried about puppies and love and lesbians and station wagons so that's where we're heading and the polit all politicians do is they go oh we're drifting toward love you know so Kamal Harris is all you know that's you know Joe Biden do you think he knows who Dylan Mulaney is you think he cares about the trans Community you think he knows any of this stuff Dylan mvan sat down with Joe Biden but that doesn't mean he does know who he is he didn't know who he was 10 seconds before that never still doesn't know the point is is they Lick the Finger somebody told them we're drifting toward the feminization and the love and there's more dudes turning into women every day so I don't mean physically I'm talking about like chemical castration just just turning into into females and why not run on Good Vibes so what they're saying what kamala's side is saying is look we don't need to get into all the nuts and the bolts of the policies and the feds and the reserve and the oil reserves and Drilling and fracking border what were we doing that we're good vibes he's mean yells and stands there and looking looking very musolini esque so we're just run over that now as far as the technical stuff you know the actual policies just just do what they do in the Subaru commercials don't don't talk about it we're talking about this we that's what I think she's going to do tomorrow night she's going to do like e economy uh opportunity economy and we're going to protect seniors right and we're going to clean up the environment right it's just going to be these sweeping empty promises I don't think she's going to drill down on any policies because she's got to stay as close to generic Democrat as she can although I mean as I discussed with Larry Elder right now that's not working that well for her because that latest New York Times Sienna poll shows her support is not that strong she's not as strong with traditional voting blocks within the Democratic party as they expected her to be and the only group she's really doing well with to your point is women the the a the gender gap is real Harris has got 39% of men uh Trump has got 56% of men Harris has got 53% of women Trump has got 42% of them but there's only so far the sort of interesting message of love and abortion can get you yes yeah well I mean it's sort of to me it could all be distilled down into the concept of a sanctuary City if you wanted to kind of go well what's a feminine thought what's a masculine thought you know you could talk about energy and Taxation and borders and things like that but the cities that went we are a sanctuary City all are welcome all shall be treated with dignity and respect and love and have zero plans in place when the buses started pulling up and now people are splayed out in the parks in the streets and in the gymnasiums where the taxpayers kids used to play and so on and so forth that is the actual representation of Good Vibes policy it sounds awesome you know what I mean we're Sanctuary City everyone's welcome no hum illegal what actually happens when people start spilling into the city I'm I'm so Anno I'm I'm annoyed because it's like this isn't feminine feminine women are Republicans not all of them but generally the women in the Republican Party tend to be feminine and strong and amazing and the men more and more are more masculine and if you look at not all Democrats a lot of my friends are wonderful Democrats but the left the progressive left this is not what a woman is this sort of afraid overly emotional lead with love and let the illegals that is that is the worst kind of feminism I've ever seen I I don't understand these women at all they don't represent me or any of and and and and to be clear you know Margaret Thatcher was a female who did not embody these thoughts that we speak of and when I talk about this in private your name comes up it's one of the leaders in the clubhouse of females who should not be mistaken for this kind of thinking thank you yes it's but it's like I hate the way it's going like the Democrat Party is the party of no spine unless it comes to shutting you up and shoving wokeness down your throat and the Republican party has all of the strength and the robust nature that's necessary for governing but as a result will be made into Demons by that left which happens to control all of the message boards throughout the country and Beyond that's really what's happening and they're going to they're going to claim feminism and Womanhood these these women who are going to vote for Kam La haris somehow represent like the feminism like the the new feminism in America and I just I just reject that feminists what what what feminist should be is strong Fierce smart women who stand up for what they believe in but haven't forgotten the glories of being a woman the the wonders of softness and not overly emotionalism but emotionalism where it's that's why men love us they need a soft place to to fall they need my husband and I go in to see like The Decorator and we're we're redecorating a room and it's like the decorators talking about all the wallpapers and the you know sofas and then he gets to the cost and he's like well and he looks at Doug when he says what the number's going to be and uh Doug's like well I don't know about and I'm like yolo y yeah and but it works like that's how men and women work together one is more sober and one is more fun or one is more of the whatever they they want men out of the picture all together all they want is the far-left angry woman who's going to emasculate men I just all of it is it makes me recoil you know I think what we need to do from a message standpoint I agree with your Soliloquy what we need to do is as the guy you know I'm the guy going at home diet and exercise these kids got to get some exercise and no you can't eat Taffy for breakfast and whatever and then I get labeled as the mean one fine because I'm saying and and I think a lot of the stuff we're talking about that's sort of coming out of conservatism is diet and exercise and now we're being labeled mean because their personal trainer wants them to watch TV and eat fudge they will be dead by age 50 right and I'm saying I'm not a bad person for suggesting you do things that are good for you that makes me a good person who doesn't dance like Ellen but I I know you don't like the message and I know you don't want to get up and do some road work in the morning and I know you would rather have honey smack cereal than than a poached egg but let's not confuse me with someone who's hurting somebody I'm actually helping somebody and there's a lot of that like for instance even going way back here in La especially you know they had an English only in school thing and then all the nice people were going they should be taught in their native tongue and it's like yeah and then they graduate and they can't speak English and they can't get a job so who's the mean one in thisa this equation the guy who says let them learn English in the first and second grade and they'll they'll get fluent in it and they'll move on and then they could get aob job or the one the nice person who's saying teach them in their mother language better to have a couple rough years when you're seven than when you're 20 looking for a job I'm saying diet you're saying OIC you know what I mean I why am I the bad one in this equation I'm you know um covid comes down the pike and I'm saying lose some weight get some exercise get some everyone's yelling at me get vaccinated and stay home and I'm like shut the kids shut the school down I'm saying oh the school I'm the bad guy for saying open the school now the kids have fallen off they're way behind depression suicide you know whatever comes along with Sheltering in place for two damn years here why am I the bad guy in this equation that's and then when you are proven right they move on they don't admit it they move on they may do the same quote mistakes and a new way forward you might call