Introduction entry two one let's go [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] [Applause] [Music] assalamualaikum and welcome back to the olive podcast we had a little bit of a break I was traveling but now I'm back and uh with me I have emotion hello hello A1 all good good to be here man thank you for having me no worries and for those who might not be familiar with them he's a great session guitarist and musician in general and producer works with Khan at the moment as well as Asami Khan and umat of course dear friend of mine yeah and uh one of my dear friends it's quite a lineup yeah it's a fun day it keeps me busy yeah but the live shows definitely does keep me busy yeah and uh different different genres all together yeah expand across so yeah the sum of it is for the soul some of it is for the thrill of it yeah just playing guitar and paraphernal audience yeah yeah so it's been good it's been busy that sounds awesome and so why don't we start with like the beginnings like when you first picked up the guitar Beginnings memories of that yeah like what inspired you okay so it was definitely the music I was listening to my dad kind of showed me uh Pink Floyd when I was really young Stevie Wonder All the Good Music and I'm kind of lucky that he did he was an Arts graduate so being exposed to that music by growing up I was like I started digging deeper into it and then the deeper you go into classic rock the louder the guitar gets like the Distortion starts to get cranked and I'm like okay Let's uh get into some System of a Down and this is like your teenagers um younger I'd say 11 12 is when I was more directed towards the music 14 is I know it's like I got my first guitar and well actually not 14. I had like a toy guitar yeah but eventually I got a proper Yamaha gig maker set okay and started Distortion full baseball all the start walking out and eventually with that attitude I started working on a couple of places mirror band with my brother ursul yeah and my cousin Mustafa we put together this band called all feiger Iron which is very funny but okay it was just the three of us and we were like we're gonna make music drop C tuning oh all the way and we're still dripping that was primarily the development phase for me yeah after which I started playing with a few like different friend is when you start playing with different musicians kind of when you understand where you stand and what you have to learn yeah and I started doing that at base Rock Cafe which is this Cafe really fun Institution for me at least like I used to go there just jam out all day all night and that's where I started getting more fluent in the language of music then Bayshore Cafe also around what year are we talking at this point um 2015 14 13 14 and I was super young friends didn't want me to go out at night at night defense my basement Maps brave enough to send me not send me well like allow me to go there yeah and that's why I learned most of the stuff that I did um production wise signal chain wise because that doubled as a performance when you earned a recording space as well right yeah so they had this mixer which used to connect to the computer and I started learned routing yeah it was uh I remember Festival used to have it earlier yes and right after that when he sold it to Hassan that's when a few of my friends Usher and all these guys used to have this band I forgot the name but they used to be jamming there as well and I had gone for recording at one point this spot didn't mean they were like oh why don't you come around with us as well um as a Young guitar player seeing martial Stacks in front of you yeah I'm like I'm gonna plug into those so that just sort of started happening I started understanding my tone a little better and then that's kind of where the session Journey began yeah uh people used to come in through playing guitar in-house for let's say project and I used to be spotted and they'd be like oh Mera Gana bajalo yeah then that kind of brought me into the scene or the industry or the Underground Music World yeah yeah but I feel like that jambro went in December 20 France yes that literally my blog um London around 2013. yeah and I just knew a handful of musicians I knew like sikandar Commander boys but when that jambro event happened at France I think 2016 yeah yes suddenly my universe of musicians that I knew increased like that yeah like there's a lot of music here man it's all happening in basements yeah because nobody likes loud neighbors yeah but foreign [Music] but that event was actually a Canon event for me that I mean it was recorded it was broadcasted and uh there was on YouTube and I got seen got some recognition that one third question started to come about let's go 2017 is when I did their wish oh yes I remember so that was one of my bands with uh very good friends of mine Zan and Rafael and we had an entire team yeah of 10 people or 10 people logistical nightmare was the band uh um in existence before Pepsi or was it made for com the competition so it's actually really funny um friend I was driving about with a friend of mine and she told me oh my friends are doing this band called The Wish and it's really cool and I'm like oh that's interesting then I look into it and I never seemed to just go about looking into something that's happening in karachi's I was like okay mentality and then when I went to base Rock after I found out that the recording there had gone after quite a bit so I met the boys and I played on one of the tracks and they were like yo this is sick man you want to record it I was like yeah that's I was actually just dropping by and I ended up recording something for them and they were like oh let's work on some music and they were really enthusiastic about it and that was something I was lacking at that phase in my life so I was like yeah I need this I need that push so day in day out launch okay guitar Laker spend time with spending time with the instrument was my motive but it started to manifest into this band and then we used to we got another player and then we got another vocalist and then we got a drummer and then I started becoming like a serious thing until we started getting gigs yeah after our first gig is when Pepsi was coming out they were like they did the entire Challenge and everything right put this music out kind of became like a Pepsi bag because we had just gotten into existence they had gone into existence I joined them and then Pepsi jumped in yeah so you could say huh we were noticeable before Pepsi yeah yeah but uh they did exist they had a few Originals down the pipeline huh that I started to work on as immediately when I joined the band so yeah I guess and how was the Pepsi experience then the amount of times I've been asked that order Pepsi set yeah I mean but it's not a Pepsi side now you Darvesh can say whatever so I mean um shaping event of my life production yeah like cameras on me little pressure to record live I mean I had been doing Studio work at baseball Cafe before so I was a little comfortable with tempos and metronomes and everything but in your monitoring prepared life um otherwise the process of it I wouldn't say it's as real or I wouldn't say I would say the authority artificialness and whoa of course so that's that is something that hit me later on yeah when you're in it you're very like devoted you're like yeah it's exciting later on I'm like What's the competition man yeah I found out okay why this is a platform and you'd be surprised alhamdulillah having done the work that I have done I still get recognition for their wish because it was on television I was someone's car broke down and I was there to help them insomnia so that's the power of Pepsi that is I mean the marketing giant that it is so all props to that besides that the music curation progress and everything was fun I got to work with a lot of people got to work with the team that was involved we had SM body on board we had Festival on board they were really helpful and I was the guitar player Jessica was born all those titles would be scattering about it and it was it was really fun it was a really big learning experience for me on how the music business works right not on how music should be made or yeah what the process should be it was just how you're supposed to sell it or what sells yeah yeah so that Pepsi was good and bad you can see um what was the next major Pepsi put us on a contract yeah uh for I was young I was getting some money I was like yeah man this is good uh they gave a shows that we performed some good events after that and music started to become a steady stream of income for someone who had not seen this happen yeah and I was like yeah I want to dwell further into this so I did a couple of uh recordings shoots Beach man and then we took our album we decided the wish wanted to do an album we took our album to sadhyat this was the second Canon event yeah in my life yeah so that's reduction Studio I remember going in there for a meeting and we're all just chilling hanging out yeah and it was you can say a very funny meeting because I was having a very different situation on the phone and he sat there was there he's like yeah then in the end heard our music and he was like yeah he's like who wants to lay down tracks first have I saw a studio took my app cranked it although I started recording yeah got like five or six tracks done within the week like started to finish all guitars fillers solos foreign absolutely okay I learned a lot of logic yeah Pro I learned a lot of recording techniques making techniques drum making techniques South Bhai was a great help and like he had the same energy that a lot of producers I have worked with lacked to insert the tone okay we can use this signal and I mean it's a guitar track not a lot of people pay attention to it will compression yeah but sadbhai was a person who kind of helped me creatively yeah and we designed tones we fought and we did God knows what um noticeable in the industry took me to some of Mirage Gates as well and it was when I say when I started playing with Mirage a few artists noticed me Alicia Jimmy we have a guitarist if you want to hear him yeah I should be like oh this is what I would play on the track and weren't you they'd be like huh if it sounds good there and then yeah yeah so and honestly studio recording taught me a lot of guitar technique of course of muting technique and picking techniques and just the preciseness of it because when you're hearing yourself back absolutely every little mistake as well right absolutely and then when you have started by on the console is okay again again yeah and doing it again and again is trial and others I feel like the best way to polish your Technique um Legend I'm still in awe of his skills every time he plays them yeah and that track got the attention of console and I think 2018 and that's when we started working together was he pitched it to him and then he was like oh this is a guitar player major props to him for getting me in there but he was like there's a guitar player this is how he plays and he played him played console the track and they were like okay this is interesting and you can work with this but during that time the music music so yeah so that's when my creativity started to flow yeah so I was like you're happy happy okay bring the yuke and bring this and then used to come up with something on the keys and he's like what can you do with this and it was just like a mass production of jingles and advertisements and essentially what I learned more so now was triggering emotions right so a few notes or something the deeper as the more I started to work the more responsibilities I started to receive from Subway was like oh how about you started becoming like more of a thing that I could do on my own yeah then around 2019 is when I started touring with khansa the first touring experience internationally really fun for those who may not know Khan sub is great yes he's been a huge Guiding Light as well musical genius I mean he's got the Heritage and he's got the learning and I was really young man I was like 21 20 when I joined and exactly yeah like if you look at any musician in that band he is at the top of his field and then there's me this guy who's just like 20 minutes but everyone in that band as well was so kind and patient specifically patient with me because they adjusted to my learning curve step down for a second and literally taught me things that I did not know tomorrow I think and uh was playing the acoustic and Salman Ashraf was on this but so can I do how much space did you have to bring in parts that you felt or were you you know yeah so I'll get to this because when I joined in uh kansa was trying to do something new with his music I mean had put out so much Kawali music of course that had not been brought to the fame that the Bollywood music has dominated in in rahat's performances yes so when concept used to tell us we created this band called the fusion band just maybe we used to take purani Kawali like Sasuke which is from the Michael Brooks album I really like that track and uh old kabalis that had not really been Rahat Fateh Ali Khan Sahab performed in a theatrical manner we had harun and Sharon excellent musicians we had Gambia and Keisha by keshiba was on base this time I picked up the electric guitar hormone was on the acoustic guitar so with this shorter oh we had bunny Joshua on case as well uh vakas on Sita yeah we had uh what's his name on Tabla and joji on dholak and this band is smaller more streamlined bands there's a lot less playing so everyone got the room and console was very accommodating to a new sound right he we did 18 days of straight rehearsals at Gumby's day in day out [Music] um devoted his time for not all of it but most of it he devoted his time to help us create something new with his existing music so he was really supportive and 16 Barbies came in wasn't by up Isco 3200 and I'm like man like that's a compliment yeah for me someone wants me to play longer something and that's a compliment for me and he was really supportive always wanted me to bring in new tones new elements he loved that there was Distortion I mean I hope it didn't happen from what from what I know he enjoyed the Distortion part so we did a really cool version of theory Mary the Bollywood song it was just a different approach to all of his music which is received well by the audience yeah I think so I hope so we got a bunch of shows yeah and the ACT did said yeah and uh palimini Fusion Act was yeah of course I mean but with those two act it's like if you do if you're doing those you can't do anything else it's a full-time thing right answer performs year round yeah internationally locally there's no off season yeah so if you're doing Concepts full lineup even if you want to do something else I don't think you'll have the time yeah so it's like a full-on commitment full-on commitment so I did I did that for a year not until 2020 was slow yeah unfortunately but 2021 I did uh the acoustic set acoustic guitar set with Kishore by on base not there I was playing with I played acoustic we did weddings corporate events commercial events all that stuff but by the end of it after the UK bit I was like you I can't keep up with this and then some ownership was also coming back so I was like okay I directed my attention elsewhere then yeah 2021 is when I started working with my next long term companion yeah because me and him also traveled to it quite a bit Yeah initially the acoustic setup so he had his main band and then he had the acoustic band which is me him and Jason Anthony on percussion and we used to do these small private events from time to time and then later on our chemistry started to build he was like why won't you join full band okay then that's where we started making music together that has also been fun different approach to music yeah I'm very different from the Rahat yeah absolutely of course it was it's I mean you could say it's similar in the sense because with private events it's a lot of people pleasing yeah but once you get the voice out there and the recognition out there yeah you pretty much force video your music like just want to rewind it back a little bit I mean obviously with the start you've played all over the world oh yes so maybe if you can share some of that experience how is it like touring the world I mean there's not too many there's basically Pakistani music yes how is that like I mean you go and meet are you mostly engaging with the diaspora when you're in foreign countries or do you get interest from the foreigners as well so with the hand Subs music it's uh I'll tell you it's the closest thing to home for a lot of people abroad and that just does not go for pakistanis it's anyone who is connected to Asian culture but Bengali is Indians pakistanis Nepali afghanis all of these people are so enthusiastic about Concepts music because one way or the other either it's Punjabi or maybe it's the part of the same connection yes we're all connected right so these guys are always very receptive to constants music they would come into the shows I mean we alhamdulillah sold out family twice we sold out O2 last year and uh lots of Arenas lots of big theaters and historic venues that it all happened so fast that it's like a blur because yeah our routines like fried let's say our tours for shows on Friday right Wednesday will fly into the city briefing okay Friday we play the show go back to the hotel pack our bags check in Touring With The Top and go to the airport check in for our flight uh get to the next take the slide get to the next city and it's a big band right so concept travels at about 24 people 25 people as band members because there's three segments right the fusion Bollywood and then kabali so the members rotate but some don't right so it's a big band lots of coordination lots of people um your day is occupied right so if Friday you by Fridays over Saturday you reach the next city same routine repeat the drill Sunday repeat the drill Monday you reach the city where you're going to have the show next Friday then it's your time off which is usually the case so it's a lot of travel teaches you a lot about International stages and performing a ticket yeah Cable Management yeah okay I used to leave my schools just like lying there right and the sound check okay guitar stand for Pakistani very likely the tech comes to music you have gotta stop doing that right I'm like I'm sorry okay he taught me how to roll a cable and mount properly put it on steel yeah and this one guy Mark I think he was so sweet every time I used to do my cables and I used to run them but I used to come and nicely tape them up for me and illegal so you don't step on them yes but I learned a lot about how big stages operate from that process so it's a very you could say lucrative but interesting yeah process yeah you you're it's you get to learn a lot about the musicians that you're traveling with get away from home in the foreign country you're under management you have to be responsible yeah you can't go full rock and roll all the time yeah which I try to it's just something that I never dreamed I would be doing professionally yeah I mean that's the other thing like what when you started playing and you started taking music seriously what did you think you wanted to do with it you know this is what I wanted to do with it but not in this way of course I had a different mindset towards it but because you know how like a chain links with one another you just progressed what a God has planned for you something much more powerful so I was always like man I want to be on stage rocking out yeah 20 000 people 30 000 people yeah most of the shows like once you start doing it it kind of just gets you get into the feel of it and it becomes effortless yeah because if you think about it the music that I'm playing with comes up is very quarterly mortally and tonally Technical that man knows the fifth and this note and the quarter note and the time wise he knows everything he is properly trained he has a processing power to do it on the fly in order to keep up with that that's that was the main challenge generally for being able to be performing with someone so skilled yeah that was the real Challenge and and everyone else in his band everyone has mentioned they're at the top of the game yeah and but if it weren't for them um we had a very different performance pattern right like when you imagine performing at a big venue you think in your monitors and clicks and queues and like tracks that are going to tell you anything and everything like an international performing sound but this is concept right all that happened inside his head yeah and you just have to keep up you have to keep up with him and you need to understand his temperament as well on stage so you have to adjust to it from what I remember what I was talking about do you have to kind of adjust to it in the sense that he will come up with something there on the fly yeah and you just have to be ready to understand what he's going to do with it like try to be two steps as you can't but in order to cope up with it you have to think okay we're in this scale now he's gone to this scale so in the last song he went to that note so he left it's just like an entire plus minus in your head right on the Fly which is challenging but is that a feature of all of his shows or is the mood-based thing so with with the Kawali segment that he would get into Kawali is very special and yeah um if he feels to feels the need to do so he will and you better like you better be able to cope up with that we're not he will look at you because he surprisingly it's so loud on stage we have like six acoustic guitar bass two keyboard players saxophone sitar it's a it's an ensemble right and you guys are playing with like wedges or in ears we have wedges now recently the 2022 besides right so once you once you start when start playing he has an ear out for you and yeah I've tried he was like man what is this man like just listen yeah don't look listen yeah like okay and then when I started doing that it's when it like kind of became part of the process okay you have to know the songs you have to know what direct what every possible Direction the song can go in yeah not in there is infinite but there's also limited to a few yeah according to his preference his style he does transpose certain times he will tell us transposing is actually a very interesting skill I learned from this um [Music] and I'm a drop d guitar player a lot of people will disagree with me but I am primarily a drop d guitar player I'm sorry I figured out some weird funky positions that yeah kind of taught me new ways to approach the guitar and made me use my thumb like from back like all like twisting it all the way over yeah so transfer is good enough but I um for guitar players you either change the tuning but even then you can't get some of the voicings right like I like this really nice 11th voicing on the bar and I'm trying to do that on standard so transposing on the Fly became a very good part of my skill set that I would say yeah if something or the other this is something that I would take away from it from a lifetime other than amongst other things of course yeah but it's that there's other other features of his live Act is that it's a live act yeah like purely again it chemistry it's like a breathing gummy always says it's like a breathing organism on stage we all have to be in sync we all have to breathe together and doing over 24 people is fun yeah challenging but fun yeah I mean I can't even imagine must be a massive learning experience in terms of like the audience um response and the audience like quality like where have you enjoyed playing the most for London yeah London London is always been a very colorful City especially specifically for Asian colors yeah and and just for music in general I mean I saw on the moon and uh Robert Plant Robert Plant Roger Waters Roger Waters Roger Waters and Hans Zimmer uh like back to back crazy in the same venue of crazy you know and I think yes man yeah and the way is like you know the view is clear from any point absolutely it's a really nice venue I would agree we didn't do the center stage thing we did it like at the far end right so it was a different setup so Roger Waters had the sentence yeah and Hans had the first stage nice but I mean they don't get venues don't get much bigger than that absolutely so yeah that's and what I was going to say is London seems to have a great music listening appreciation amongst you know we I actually felt that in the show we did with aliasmat ABI this year in the Indigo at the O2 which is like the smaller theater inside osme we had a lot of uh non I don't want to use the word but we had a lot of people who are not from Asia right so just uh coming there with their friends like bring your friend to work today it's a rock and roll show we were playing nice guitar I'm the only guitar player when it comes to riffing Over The Alibi Players let's say 30 or 40 of the songs on the second guitar yeah Mikhail joined us on stage this style that was actually really fun he was in the audience oh nice and Alibi was like Mickey yeah he joined us on stage show like a good six eight songs was there too yeah he was he joined us on stage for the final just bedroom and all of that but in essence if you think about it it's four rock and roll guys on London's Lightheartedness stage playing a rock and roll show so the language doesn't matter I feel like the music has so much emotion that guy will eventually understand it it is what it makes you feel right so yeah and rock has its own thing absolutely so but yeah with nice segue into Ali husband house how what are the differences between playing a big Ensemble well and you know more Kawali based things so I have my reservations in the sense okay concept is a big production yeah we all dressed the same we have like uniform and for someone who is growing up listening to Black Sabbath seeing this rock and roll guys but when I and no I mean no disrespect whatsoever like I mean I enjoy that all together but when I started doing aliasmat's thing or many uh Ali Azmat oversized t-shirt beanie on top and I'm just like tired super low and I'm the only guitar player in the band Yes with Alibi as well I mean we play some of the same Parts aliba is always pushing me to do like solos and jam out but basically you have to carry a lot more of them carry a lot more but you know songs are so much fun to play yeah they're of course when you compare them because they're so much simpler yeah but the simpler things are sometimes the hardest to do right sayony is two notes yeah but you can play those two notes in A Million Ways of course so those those songs I don't know what magic someone Ahmad had man those two notes I played them anywhere in the world and I would have oh yeah like I often when uh you know obviously I grew up listening and loving Junoon but when I got into more you know Western bands and stuff then for a time I was like a child Salman Ahmed is not that great but then when you start learning the songs and then actually understanding the intricacy yeah and you're like actually there's a lot more to this you know Indianapolis is [Music] why have I not used this before because that's when it hit me like my playing style is not defined I am merely just a reflection of everything that has influenced me because this is what's weird dissonance that you can hear you're just like hmm like a weird odd shape yeah and it's a chromatic pattern all together that flows down on the last three Frets and yeah I'm like yeah something so simple it's just for fun why aren't you sure it's a C minor but it goes like [Music] and then is that simple so [Music] that's such a nice word it's also nice on this oh if you just bar that here and say dark Way Forward sounding it's got this 11th hiding in here so it just makes it a little more dreamier and I'm like man how how can someone come up with that like why why didn't I come up with that why didn't I but it's the detail that he put into it as a guitar player that I try when I hear him I trust him more as a guitar player so those songs and plus you have more freedom on stage right we're a four piece five piece band we have our six hour as well commune drums and you're not on a click or anything no we're not underground I'll tell you something very interesting actually we've never jumped we've never me Kami manubai and nashik uh as a band have not been in a jam room together once wow Evan it was just playing on stage dude I I started with aliyazmat in this way Momo had moved to the states and and it was Peak over time like around August live stream live stream gigs were just coming up it was like becoming a Thing This Is The New Normal yeah so candy did that and uh um foreign [Music] me being an underground musician coming from basements of Karachi I have played Junoon with any and every vocalist yeah that has been doing covers right so I'm like and he was like okay I am just like so I took out some of his live videos coincidentally like live stream yeah I took my guitar and the first show I played it's uh online as well and uh Alibi was like oh yeah he's like okay so if there's a show I'm like yeah let me know that's when it started and then uh foreign and then yeah so that when I came and I did the solo he wanted me to walk up to the home front yeah and uh like a common occurrence it's not just a one song it's common occurrence then it's traveling with a four piece band sorry sorry manager so that's six people we fit in two SUVs yeah drove about seven eight thousand miles across the states and sitting shotgun with Alibi or driving with him sitting shotgun and coming and listening to music so that felt like a rock and roll band on the road get to the hotel play the show because it was very self-organized because individual promoted we had to book our own airbnbs we had to book our own cars I mean it was taken care of but we had to do these things so we go in order for us to get to the next venue yeah so felt like you know how you see rock and roll bands yeah that's awesome that you're getting to experience both ends of it yeah you know absolutely it's uh and then there's this other Spectrum which is music yeah okay Pakistan International music is an entirely different Market that's like going into a very I mean his new album differs from his live stuff but I've been pushing him because his music is really fun and from what I understand there's also other parts of him you know he is not pursued that absolutely because I have a friend zaryab yeah he's a good friend of his absolutely you know he's almost like you know when you get popular based on something sometimes you can feel boxed in yeah it does and it takes a bit of courage to go beyond that it's also courage it's also I mean you start to understand how the business works right yeah I don't think a musician should be in charge of selling and stuff it should as a different game from what it is you know I I don't think he should be in charge in a sense because he has such an emotional bias such a connection to what he's created that is expression absolutely marketers or booking agents but in this industry yeah and plus you want to cut out as many middlemen absolutely but leave the artist to the art is what I would say is the best approach yeah to making music because I haven't been able to like I haven't been able to put out any of my own music that was going to be my next thing one is when is the artist going to show himself when are you guys and Ali Tariq it's just like you said I do like the courage yeah of seeing everything happening around me you know I fear okay what if I'm creating something then I don't that I have to end up selling it right so I I don't want to do that I want to create music in a very comfortable space yeah but there's also the element like since you are lucky enough to have these shows on these gigs you know maybe leave that as your bread and butter and just do music you want to make on the side at least and maybe at some point audience man you gotta push me to do this um put on uh like as little EP yeah send pieces but again I'm learning more about myself each day right I'm working and growing in this industry I'm learning my limitations and abilities to commit to something yeah which from time to time can be hard I feel like an album is something when I'm I'm going to do when I'm doing absolutely nothing else it needs see my time this is my problem as well like it's I think it's easier when you're on a band yeah um because the other guys are pushing UK finals Mohsin originals but when it's your own thing like I have some solo compositions and things it's almost impossible to produce yourself yeah you know absolutely and then it's also impossible to like be an artist and go like not impossible but be an artist this letting go is something you have to learn because I know a lot of soulless producers not taking any names of course but uh [Music] okay rap next and I'm like man I was just figuring the song out right now like give me at least an hour with it but sometimes your thoughts don't align he's looking for something that you've already done you're looking for something that he doesn't even care about yeah like it as long as his jobs is done that's that's where I need the producer to come here but what I find with at least you know the process of releasing your own music because the albums that I have released with my band you know um with the year we've done three albums and now there's an album that I've that's in production with Cosmic gulabo oh heavy which is Cosmic fluid with Vegeta I think I've been following that on the alif page yes but what happens is like with each album you you put out whatever you're into at that point where you're influenced by you put it all into it but then for the next album you don't feel at least I don't feel like repeating myself yeah so you're looking for new things or new chords or new new scales to get into and stuff and but what happens when you don't release stuff for a long time is you get stuck I find in a certain Vibe or in a Zone I agree or in certain sets of chords that is actually a very true man licks phrases yeah they can get stuck to your hand Like Glue yeah any day they become second nature foreign yeah you need to put our music in order to evolve yeah all together evolution in this sense is something that I have been struggling with all together I mean because also you know I'm trying to put Evolving as a musican myself in your shoes for a second like you were very good as a guitar player when you started you know like when you started touring with these guys you were already at a certain level which you could I was trying like like having jam with you having seen you I think at least from the people out there you are in the top thank you bracket that means a lot already but then to go further from there can definitely be challenging it is it is and um as much as labor hours put in the good amount of hours into it but it's also like directing that energy right sometimes I'm going to be super consistent with my shows yeah yeah wake me up at any time and ask you to play any song by any artist I can get that down but then I'll be struggling to play to a click and then when I'm in the room playing to a click three or four takes later I'm in my mojo right I got it going okay first go a live Younger live click I'll be like oh anything goes off or anything changes it kills your mood so there's a very fine line between well I wouldn't say even fine line there's a gray area within a gray area of a fine line of being a studio musician and being a live musician yeah yeah I mean so what do you think does it take to be successful at both because a lot of people are very good at one or the other there's so many little great live musicians foreign when I move from Studio to live like I did a year of Studio work with live coming in and out and then I shifted for to a year of touring what my transition was okay now being a studio musician I was more aware of my sound yeah what my PA is going to Output when I have my mic placed here or here do I run my guitar stereo if I'm running at stereo what's the latency on this side and that side I did a very interesting thing this time so uh in the Indigo show I got a twin river as my tech writer standard clean amp woman right next to me but uh 906 Sennheiser in front of it okay and use my pod go the lightest traveling one put in like basic signal chain for my drive sound it's got the arch type clean amp and I put in a nice IR to complement it so sounds great quick plug-in Wireless everything seamless but then it's got this amp out right so I use that amp out bypass the amp use just the effect and send it to the clean of the fender right so my drive running and stereo whenever I used to turn the amp on the amp how it used to turn off so every time from a clean sound bright Fender Center every time I used to switch to a dry sound still used to just go stereo and that amp used to be playing a through signal clean so it's like my guitar is no actual sound like the sound of the word was just shining through just a little bit that's really interesting and I learned this from zulfi by actually the panning situation who's learned from him as well absolutely they have some really interesting live rigs yeah and the routing kind of made me realize can I being a studio musician is important yeah because you need to know where you stand in the mix yeah and where your guitar sounds how your guitar sounds in the back fine yeah and and that's just not from a stage perspective stage perspective where you hear the track that's going into my monitors you'd be like are you crazy are you okay I feel like I've been deafened by the sound of a side film right next to me on stage but in my in years I'm listening to something completely different but what I want it to sound like in front is different that can only happen when you pay attention yeah to your sound so if my advice to live musicians would be is sorry because our exchange rate but invest yeah no man it sounds great yeah two amp always it'll break your back break your wallet but you'll you'll enjoy it and I feel like two bumps made me a better better player I'm sure you would agree I definitely think so I mean the response right it makes you modify it the way you pick how hard you pick how light you pick and there's no there's no gating there's no like if you're not hiding anything there's no hiding if you make a mistake its job is to show everyone okay guys yeah yeah coming from Marshall solid state into that I've failed at muting all together so it was an entire process okay I got it I got it yeah but yeah that is one advice I would say to every live player out there is spend time at the metronome and spend time with your sound sound primarily a lot of people will disagree with me click tracks are great everything's great this is some certain energy on stage that when the tempo goes up yeah that someone's taking it up and it's creating this atmosphere it's important from time to time you should have the ability to do both yeah yeah and I mean when you're on stage because like for example is there a point person that you're The importance of Good Gear always like like is it the drummer is it you know who is it that you're trying to lock to to keep it's actually very funny uh stages saxophone player he's been working with as well and he is the guy who basically sets the key so my major key is E flat G sharp F sharp is just and that's only heard in our monitors not to the audience so he usually does that direction the fusion [Music] this one time I think it was uh Manchester and 21 and so team Ghana started [Music] or um and the stage is huge right it's like he's sitting over there I start playing this bro I started playing it I'm like tell everyone in the band's like hey yo okay I'm out of the bank but then they also realized they were like huh I mean what are we testing him on to know the song that we're thinking of which is in the same key same scale same chord structure so that's for me we're like 90 upset list yeah foreign so a diet member of the band is going into that section the and the best approach to it is supported yeah and listen more yeah play less yeah I try to do that that's definitely one of the best pieces of advice even I've got you know to to listen to to make sure whatever you're playing is adding to it what like I said in the mix where is you and also guitarists sorry once again I am saying very mean things but control your own volume man yeah like I personally have never told you you know who we're talking to right now I personally have never told the engineer at the desk camera solo I know um that's up to you yeah but I EQ my tone enough to match with my band Stones enough that he doesn't have to mess with it right and solos I want the Boost I'll have it yeah and that that makes your guitar respond differently it opens up a lot of different Avenues you can't just rely on a drive to just have more gains you have longer sustained yeah control your own volume be more Dynamic use the volume knob on your guitar it's very underrated nobody just rolls back to a clean tone anymore everyone's just like switching it off doesn't matter that just at the edge of breakup and when you swoop that in it's like a completely different feeling so that so definitely guitarists have to don't cheap out on guitar parts on guitar part is 250k pots that's all you need yeah yeah I like 500 also oh yes of course the orange story foreign [Music] [Music] [Laughter] thing and if you're around anywhere where playing check them out because you'll see him absolutely and um we'll see you next time take care and please leave your comments subscribe all the usual stuff thank you thank you [Music] thank you [Music] thank you [Music] thank you [Music] foreign [Music] thank you [Music] [Applause] thank you