RealAg LIVE - Agronomy chat with Jeremy Boychyn of Alberta Wheat and Barley Commissions

Intro [Music] [Music] this is free lag live [Music] and welcome everybody to real lag live this Tuesday edition of the show thanks a lot for tuning in we're gonna be talking a groan ah mcc's today more specifically Western Canadian agronomics for the most part maybe we'll maybe squeeze in something I Jeremy has a bit of a background in other parts of the country so I'm able to squeeze them in and give them out of a challenge but today we're gonna be talking to Jeremy Boykin he is the agronomy research extension specialist with Alberta wheat and barley Commission if you have any questions for Jeremy today on the show all you got to do is enter your question in the comment box whether you're watching on YouTube Facebook or Twitter I think also we're on LinkedIn so if you have a question bring it forward we'll get to as many of them as we possibly can in our 30 minute edition here of real AG live let's bring in Jeremy here right now hey Jeremy how's it going hey man I'm doing good I'm doing good thanks a lot for doing this I'm looking forward to today's discussion for sure Technical issues yeah and we're actually getting we're actually getting out of the field actually get to see some of the stuff growing especially after that rain last week that we had in in good parts of western Canada now certain parts were hoping for rain and other areas though of Western Canada trying to avoid it specifically the Peace River region yeah hey Jeremy just hold on one sec we got a technical issue I just gotta try to get through it people are having a hard time hearing you I can but they can't so just give me one second here okay why is that working that way I know exactly why I hold on okay Jeremy try now can you hear me now yes we can John wanted only to do one side you know what I just that's how it goes so I everybody that was commenting on social can you hear Jeremy now Jim Ellen Peter can you hear him maybe maybe can you hear me no just two lon okay I think we're good now yeah we can hear you awesome so none of that that I said anyone could hear that yeah so let's start over there Jeremy what about the the rainfall across Western Canada some areas want it some people don't Soil moisture maps yeah so I mean you mentioned the peace region that bearing parts of the peace region just saturated with the amount of rain that's come and west of Edmonton too I mean you look at some of the soil moisture maps and some of the modeling is they are they're saturated the rain that's coming today and potentially over the next week I don't know where it's gonna go because the the soil just really can't take anymore and it's really it's preventing again still some of that 2019 crop reform coming off and some of it is still there a lot of it did come off but there's still some producers out there just working to get that off while seeding at the same time and it's really a bit of juggling juggling fields right now where can I go where can I get stuff in and and producers are jumping back and forth between crops to try and get it in where they need to so it's it's been a real battle and then you know what a contrast in terms of a province you go south of Staedtler you know south of Red Deer to the east and then down to left bridge and man what a rain we haven't seen a rain like that in I don't know how long when's the last time you've seen a rain like that show you know over two inches some areas got three I even heard maybe there's even more in some areas I didn't talk to you but a timely rain to that significance it has been years like we've we've gotten that kind of rain in the fall when we don't need it but to get it in the Palliser triangle when we need it at this time man it's been a while yeah and I mean some of them were upwards of some of the areas were upwards of 70 millimeters and if you think of how much rainfall a wheat crop and and in some regards of barley crop needs to get to to flowering stage you're talking about 100 millimeters of rain so we're almost there I mean we have to take into consideration there will still be evaporation that comes from that but that's a huge chunk of what's needed to get to filling and to get to an thesis so I mean it's a great start to the season that I think a lot of producers are are happy to see it's gonna help with with establishment it's gonna have help with evenness of the crop and and it's really just gonna help all the way along down for the rest of the season so it's exciting to see that but again those contrasts and I mean even even west of to just north of Calgary I know a few producers who were working really hard to get a lot of their 2019 crop off some of them you know 1,500 2,000 acres worth that still have to come off while seating at the same time dude is this one period right maybe it's two weeks I don't know what it is but this this this little pocket that we're in right now of time we have people harvesting seeding and spray yeah it's like the director of work I got a picture from from Claire Sol down south of a producer Springs peas well I get more shots of producers of North that are struggling to spray before their their crop is coming up because I mean a lot of this moisture is starting to lead into troubles with with herbicide spray timing yeah it's caused a lot of challenges there yes let's talk us talk about that because you know I look out my window now here in Lethbridge and you know we had all that moisture when with moisture you know we celebrate and things are great because we needed it but now we're we're chasing the wind and it's really creating some problems because we got some weeds we want to take care of and and some of this crop went because it was so chilly some of this crop went in without a pre burn and so we've got to get the burn off done before the crop Astapor before the crop emerges so it's boy I'll tell you a time it's just time is we just can't have enough of it yeah there's it's the next few weeks are gonna be it's gonna continue to be a Weed fight fight because it's been a fight since last fall we had the winter break well there's nothing you can do at that point but the fight is continuing on at this point across the province and you know we had that nice splash of rain and that is going to trigger all of those weeds wanting to emerge and and getting that application on before emergence if you're having weeds before emergence of your crop here you're really taking a hit out of your yield before your crop even even emerges from the soil and a couple weeks ago Brant I'm into a presentation for us where she was talking about emergence before the crop of weeds and emergence after and one weed emerging one week prior to the crop is equal to a hundred weeds emerging three weeks after the crop in terms of yield reduction for that crop so it's so important to make sure that your crop once it starts coming out of the ground does not have competition and a lot of people talk about you know the fight for fertilizer and the fight for moisture and it's not just about those things there's actually a physiological interaction that happens between the weeds and the plants plants can respond they know when there's a weed around them and this has to do with I'm gonna get a little technical here but the read too far read ratio so plants taking in light for photosynthesis and life is a spectrum it goes you know violet blue red yellow and plants actually take in two different types of red light on that spectrum they take in far red and short red light and they'll reflect more far red light when they have competition and the plants will respond to that they'll know that there's competition or and then they actually change their genetics and their physiological responses in those situations they know there's competition there then going okay we really need to get as much as much yield as we can as quickly as we can so it's it starts being more of a rush job rather than let's do this well and fill all these kernels so there's a game you're playing there that that is really detrimental if you don't hit it right hit it right yeah you know what dr. Clarence Swanton from university of guelph you you've probably been in a few of his presentations I have a good time in Ontario I remember being out there into my first I was the first year 2010 and I remember him doing a presentation at the London Farm Show and where he did an experiment where he had a corn in a row and without weeds and you know they full you know sticking out creating a canopy and then he would stick potted weeds in between the rows and those those corn leaves would turn to provide more sunlight for the potted weeds crazy stuff how how plants can communicate like that just blows your mind How plants respond yeah you sometimes I think we don't give enough credit to plants for their ability to respond through contacts like that and actually I remember in one of my university classes professor bloom we we actually grew Lily plants at certain distances from a light bulb that only gave off our red light and as you got further from that light the height of the plant decreased because the plants that were closer to that fire and like knew there was competition or responded as if there was competition and elongated taller so they put more energy into growing taller than they did into reproduction so it's it's very interesting how this can happen uh do you want to fill me in Kara mr. house that works for real agriculture wants to know about this time for the grasshopper dance what is she talking about there I Grasshoppers don't know I haven't seen a grasshopper dance I assume she's talking about the fact that you know we are getting into a time now where some of the younger nymph of grasshoppers are starting show up and there was a map there was a map that came out just before actually all this rain came last week where there was I can't remember exactly what the percentage was but we were starting to see some development of young names of grasshoppers so I imagine because grasshoppers when they're younger they're smaller names they're more sensitive to that rainfall it may have gotten knocked back a little bit but knowing that that potential was there I think at this point it's probably a good idea as a you know in those and go and check out the Prairie pest monitoring Network they do maps of this every time we I look at it every week it is so important they give you updates on insects and everything so they they'll upgrade these maps as we go but go out and take a look in some of those areas that they've highlighted okay great segue because you mentioned the Prairie pest monitoring network I just posted a new episode of the pest and predator podcast and I have a conversation with dr. Megan van koski and we talk exactly exactly this we talk about what the how they do the monitoring and what the benefits are it's this new podcasts all but beneficial insects and I was just looking up here because we did an episode that's coming out soon that is about it's a it's the beneficial for grasshoppers but I can't no one's gonna be surprised that I can't find I got I'm missing a page into my notes here so I can't even I can't even oh I know what it is John gives Loski talked to me about grasshopper egg predators bee flies blister beetles field crickets and ground beetles how about that ground beetles man what what hard work those Ground beetles guys do don't they like when I go out to field and when I see those those little ground beetles scurrying around I know there's a lot of advantage coming to those and I think the the field Heroes campaign and yet and the the progress that we're making towards a better understanding of what that ecosystem looks like in our crop canopy how all those different beneficials and non advantageous insects interact I think is a great direction for us to take to maybe get a better understanding of how we can use them to our advantage so ya got a question here from Jim Hale Lancer Saskatchewan he got some range you might have a question yeah Jim always he's a frequent viewer of our real like live podcast so here's what Jim's question is about is rolling your cereal crop post emergence and does it create crop injury which actually does that have an effect on how much disease you have in the field so I actually this Rolling wheat came up last year to someone didn't get out to to roll their wheat early enough and this question came up and there there hasn't been any research really done on this that I've been able to find most of it's done on peas or soybeans but you really want to avoid rolling your wheat or any cereal when that first Kali op tile is coming out of the soil that is pushing the soil away allowing those true leaves to actually push through so if you roll before you're at the first or second true leaf stage there's a risk that you're gonna move some of that soil around and maybe break that coleoptile and when that happens you're not going to be able to get proper emergence of that wheat plant so that's the first thing to consider when thinking about rolling you want to make sure that you're delaying to that 2 to 3 leaf stage the other thing you want to think about is you want to make sure you're rolling when you're during a dryer situation if you're rolling when you're wet there's a chance you're gonna get some mud it's gonna pick up some wheat plants and you need to start pulling them out of the ground so you want to do it under drier conditions I'd imagine and it's gonna depend on what type of soil you're on and how much residue but there's a chance you're gonna get some beating up of those leaves and if you're beating up some of those leaves potentially you're having some openings for some disease to come in that being said you still need to have the proper environmental conditions for disease to come which means you need to have some warmth you need to have some moisture for that to pop in that plant is going to heal itself gonna work hard to heal itself pretty quickly but you are opening yourself up to some risk depending on what those environmental conditions are but that doesn't mean that that is directly impacting yield and I think when I think about this I think about some of the research that's been done on early season fungicides with wheat and barley and how applying a fungicide at the herbicide timing stage even when there is a bit of disease that you can see there provided no yield benefit in the long run and that's because yes there may be disease present on those earlier leaves even in tilling in tillering but unless that disease actually moves on to your yield bearing leaves so your your flag leaf your pan your pronouncement leaf and on to the stem a there's not going to likely be a huge impact on yield and that that kind of is where that aligns with me is that that fungicide timing at herbicide timing research and sherry stride ARS is actually currently doing some research on that as well so it's uh yeah that's what I would say about that question now tomorrow you're gonna be hosting one of your infield webinars Alberta wheat and barley Commission has been doing these infield webinars and tomorrow your guest is one of my favorites he's like I've in terms of fertilizer specialists I've may have interviewed him the most it is Ross McKenzie retired from Alberta AG what times that so that is at 11 o'clock Mountain Standard time tomorrow yeah make sure you register and all that stuff beforehand good stuff and then when you're done that we're gonna have real AG live tomorrow in the afternoon and we're gonna be talking corn and soy beans tomorrow so you can just you know there's no excuses not to be informed okay now in that conversation I'm sure this is going to come up it is in field in crop that's that's secondary supplements of n in crop in application and it's becoming more and more popular as we you know try not to load at the front end especially in some of these down markets people trying to figure out what kind of cropper they have in front now if you if you were one of these people that backed off in the front waiting for the rain well you got it now we're like maybe we need to top this up a little bit what are some of the considerations yeah so I mean I have had a couple of questions come my way already as soon as that rain stopped I got a few few emails and texts come and said you know what do I need to do I've been I've been fertilizing 425 bushels for the past three years because we haven't had any rain well now I want to top it up I'm expecting more I've gotten all this rain I mean Milk River got almost three inches I think so they're asking the question of how do I bump this up and I mean there there is a few factors that you need to consider when it comes to this is one when you're applying nitrogen in crop immediately your efficiency of uptake goes down so when we banned nitrogen and I actually I had a conversation with Ross about this cuz you know he's my guy I go to when I ask questions absolutely and you know when you're talking about banning nitrogen with the seed or beside the seizure you're talking about a 70% uptake of that nitrogen that you're applying that's about the efficiency that you're getting when you're doing an in crop nitrogen application and if you're looking for yield bump your in that between tiller and elongation stage you're more looking at around a forty to fifty percent efficiency of uptake so and the reason you want to aim for that time line is because you still need some time for that urea to break down so you want to go as early as possible but you don't want to be you don't want to be going when you start to get elongation because then you're trampling you're breaking some of those stems and you're causing issues so typically the best response you're gonna see isn't around that after tillering before elongation timing so if you're looking at applying a nitrogen let's say you want to apply 30 pounds of em with urea you know you can really only expect maybe 50 percent uptake with that and that's assuming that you get a ring after the fact so it's actually washing it into the roots because it needs to get washed in it needs to move and change from urea to and actual uptake form of nitrates and then that takes maybe two to three weeks for that to happen for it to fully process now you can go with 28% and a quarter of that is already available so you can go with something like that but you're still at risk of the lateralization and the one thing that I hear which scares the crap out of me Sean is people doing foliar applications for a yield increase where you're talking about actually spreading using spray nozzles if you want to aim for a yield bump drop nozzles streamer's something that's going to get that liquid directly into the ground so it can go in another way down into the canopy otherwise your potential risk of burn which is going to potentially delay that crop from moving it's going to slow it down a little and it's not being actually up taken in the leaves that much I mean your efficiency of leaf uptake I think is in the 5% range so uptake of that application if you're doing foliar is quite low so you want to be doing something that's gonna get a rate to the soil and one big thing that I'm gonna recommend is to use the Erie ace inhibitor this is gonna help mitigate some of that volatilization loss and help save some of that nitrogen so we can actually get into the soil and be used for uptake so just some general factors in commit good stuff hey Colton has a question i melted urea how about could you use that yeah you can use melted urea and I haven't had a Melting urea lot of experience with it and I'm sure we Pete has a good answer for this because I know when I left Ontario this was one thing that people were talking a lot of it and if you want to use melted urea I suggest maybe reaching out to people who have had a bit more experience with it but I know it takes a little bit of energy to actually melt that urea down because it is an endothermic reaction so that means it takes a lot of energy to actually create that so it makes that water really cold so you want to start with with warmer water so it takes a little bit to do but in terms of risk you still have risk of burn there but it's still a high potential opportunity to use melted urea yeah colton thanks a lot for the question I really appreciate it speaking of peat and Ontario can we can we learn in this area of in crop application of n can like a lot of research has been done in corn can can we pull some of that research across to spring wheat or is that just too big of a leap too big at different conditions what are your thoughts on that so Science science science is a very interesting thing science is about taking concepts from completely different areas of research and maybe completely different areas of the world and asking the question of does this apply to my area and and it disheartens me sometimes when I hear people say oh that doesn't matter it happens in Ontario that's a completely different environment there's no way it would work here and you almost dismiss it immediately but a lot of the concepts that that I see being utilized in Ontario and that I actually see utilize you know Alberta and Saskatchewan there's a lot of intermixing that happens there yes there are a few things that don't work soil types are different the environments different were much drier out here organic matter is lower in certain parts and that needs to be taken into consideration but to completely dismiss an agricultural practice because it's from a different area I think we can look with a little bit finer tooth comb and ask the question of where might this work and why wouldn't it work here so i'm i'm always i'm always looking to see what ontario or the US or different parts of the world might be trying because you never know what might actually work where we are i absolutely agree no no absolutely I'm right there with you that was the whole premise of real agriculture is learning from different areas and you sure there's some stuff you can just throw it throw it out but there's you just get one little nugget there's one little thing one little practice be like you know I should actually try that not on my whole farm but you know just just like maybe do some trials and and see if it can have a fit for me for sure the other thing is what I'm noticing right now of course we're into that time where the cropping of the ground we also got weeds come to the ground as we discussed people trying to you know taking photos of their of their crop and sometimes the best parts and sometimes you you look how crappy this is and you get the worst part of the field don't be making crop estimates based on what you see on Twitter but it's always a good practice how to take good photos so you can share them with your grandma Street ale whoever is providing you some support yeah this is a topic that comes up all the time it's agronomic Agronomy challenges challenges always have a multi-faceted issues like there's there's multiple parts of why there might be agronomic issues or why you're seeing this weed or or where this disease might come from and and when you're taking pictures you need to think about not just what you're looking at but what the environment around that that particular thing you're looking at might contribute to the causation of what you're looking at so when you're taking a picture of a let's say you're taking picture of a weed and you shoot it off and say you know hey what is this weed and you know it might might look like a few other weeds because it's at its younger stage but you know that it might be a weed that only grows in low parts of the field or it might be a weed that only grows in you know more coarse soil on Knolls and being able to differentiate between those two means taking a picture of a wide angle of the field getting a full picture of that what that looks like so when I get pictures in I always ask you know where in the field is it what what the surrounding areas look like you like stuff to contrast with so I mean if you're going to take a picture of an issue in the field try taking five pictures it doesn't have to be specifically where you're looking at but you know big pictures of the field comparison side-by-side of what you're looking at more than just one picture because there's always there's always factors that you need to eliminate when you're asking the question of what might this problem be and more pictures helps create a clear picture of what you might illuminate as a potential issue yeah good good thoughts absolutely any tips out there for early or early and disease scouting yeah I mean we I herbicide timing would say that the producers in those wetter parts of the province who saw a lot of moisture later in the season last year and maybe saw increased disease because of that should probably be checking more this year because that inoculum was built there so as we heading to herbicide timing season it's a good idea to not only focus on those weeds but focus on the plants where you're looking at weeds pull up a couple plants look at the stems look at the roots look at those leaves and see what might what potential issues might be there I mean especially for those areas in the north where maybe they've had three years in some areas four years of really wet conditions and they're coming back full rotation from what they were growing four years ago that inoculum is there so the risk is a little bit higher and if we continue to see this moisture like unfortunately we're seeing in those areas I'm sure everyone's sick of hearing the disease triangle but you know that environment factor continues to grow we know the inoculants there you're putting that wheat or that barley back into that field that's all weed or barley hopefully for three years ago if you're doing cover tations and and that risk is there so making sure that you're going out and taking a close look and I'll push this again if you are seeing disease early on some of those wheat and barley plants a fungicide at herbicide timing through multiple research projects has shown no benefit so it's a good indicator because I remember we used to do like the half tilt rate yeah you're selecting for you're selecting for fungicide resistance and you're not providing any benefit to yield in the fungicide resistance end all the research has shown even in the u.s. multiple research projects in Alberta Saskatchewan no benefit all you do is select for fungicide resistance which we don't want to be in that realm we're already dealing with enough weeds so use if you do see disease early in your crop and obviously rust is a different story if you're starting to see rust that's something that needs to be handled a little bit differently because it can move rather quickly but if it's if it's a typical foliar disease it's a it's a it's an indicator to watch as you move again towards those yield bearing leaves as you move into those yield bearing leaves then you know that it's on the lower part of the plant and if you're getting moist conditions then you're saying hey I have the disease already the moisture is there my disease triangle is lining up I better get some some foliar fungicide to make sure that I'm ready to protect if I mean to hey Jeremy Kara's got a question what do some of the early nutrient deficiencies look like so typically what I see for early nutrient deficiencies early foliar nutrient deficiencies is typically nitrogen you're going to see just a general yellowing of the leaves and this is the same for for sulfur if you're seeing those in serials nitrogen and silver can look somewhat similar sometimes I find that sulfur is a little bit more patchy you're finding it in areas where generally with nitrogen is almost across the whole field or in larger patches that you'll start to see it the other one that I see not as often but sometimes is a bit of potassium deficiency which can show up is purpling sometimes but that can also be cold stress those are the big ones that I typically see zinc and manganese can sometimes show up and to be honest I can't remember exactly what those deficiencies look like at this point but they can show up we have areas in over that that sometimes we have zinc deficiencies I mean copper typically doesn't show up to a little bit later and you get that pigtailing when you when you get quite a deficiency of copper and some stumping those are typically the ones that I would what I would be looking for and we're wait we're not we have no idea this point about Fusarium for this year like the the stage is being set you know it's we've had some moisture but we're just way too early to tell right yeah there's no way you can predict what weather is gonna be like Fusarium risk map when it comes to that that flowering time or that having time I should say but we know that last year we saw an uptick in the occurrence a Fusarium specifically in that Northwest part of the province and that's again contributed from that moisture which means again we know that inoculum is there so if we head into that that flag leaf timing you should be going to the Fusarium risk map which Alberta Saskatchewan and Manitoba all have one and look to see what the risk is in your area and the reason I say start looking at the flag leaf timing because if the risk is high when you're headed into heading timing an earlier application you can get a Fusarium infection as soon as that head is over the boom we've all been targeting that flower timing which absolutely that's a that's an ideal time to be spraying but if you're Fusarium risk is really high as soon as that those those heads are coming out of the ground you want to be aiming for that seventy five to a hundred percent head emergence timing so that's why you want to start looking at that flag leaf timing so you can be prepared but if you don't see a risk at that time continue to watch and then you can you can make the decision on whether you want to do a later application or not but we're in a higher to me I'm on watch for it because I know we've seen in an uptick last year hopefully this weather weather subsides in the northwest and we get a reduction in the amount of rainfall but if it continues to be moist that I make inoculum is going to be there and that risk is going to be there so we need to be we need to be watchful because we don't want to be at a point where it is completely prevalent across the whole province I think as we Pete would say it's the epicenter in Ontario I don't I don't want to see Alberta in that way so the longer we prevent it from to that point well at least we're acknowledging it's here but that's a good first step okay I got a question from Billy he's watching on YouTube he says how would a super high iron level affect my wheat yields I seem to have all good for to fertility levels on my soil tests but have super high iron and can't break some yield bitters hello Yield barrier fertility questions are always a little bit complex because then the next question is is you know what is your yield barrier and why do you think that iron is what is restricting it I haven't run into any situations where iron specifically is it is a challenge you there I assume that there's a toxicity level at some point it's not something that I have come across so my question would be like what why does he feel like iron Billy why do you feel like iron is is what might be restricting you do you have some some fields in other areas that don't have that kind of iron level and you're seeing higher levels or is it is it across your entire farm yeah and and I would have to do some digging to see what kind of response level we get from certain iron levels there's going to be a toxicity level all nutrients get to that point what it is I couldn't tell you so potentially but is that what's causing it I couldn't give you an answer on that it takes that question Billy really appreciate it you know it is it is difficult sometimes to sort of sort all that out trying to figure out what is that one variable because we're always looking we're always searching and have this quest to figure out that one thing that is causing the problem and sometimes it's a little bit more unfortunately it kind of works out where it's it's not that simple go ahead I always have it's funny you say that Shawn I always have a direction that I try and when I when I'm Finding reasons approached with a problem a producer says I see this is it must be because of this my first thing in my head is I want to find all the reasons why it's not that because you've already determined in your head that that is that's interesting that's a good way to do it like well I mean otherwise you keep finding reasons you look for the reasons for that to be the issue and you ignore all the other symptoms that may be actually causing it so the real question is is what else or why wouldn't this be the case so start asking those questions and and I I mean it's hard in all scenarios to run that and I couldn't give you too many examples right now but it's a good mindset to run at rather than assuming it's it's it's when it's the flag in the sand saying look at me I might be the issue okay I see you there yeah I'm gonna come back to you but what else might be causing them you can you can have that approach in the markets too I think with a lot times we get sort of like you know here's you get sort of not looking at all the the other variables are the things that are out there hey Ken has a question he's watching on Facebook he says any benefit to spraying at both flag leaf and flowering fur Fusarium or should a person just wait and spray once at Fusarium timing yeah so I mean it's a challenging question because obviously the cost of spraying both is what holds a lot of producers back from doing both if the cost wasn't there for sure I would say spray it flag leaf timing and then spray it head timing because really what you're doing there is you're you're looking to protect yourself against two different two completely different things when you're spraying a flag leaf timing you're looking to protect against disease that's going to reduce your photosynthetic capacity which means it's going to reduce your ability to fill that crane and it's going to not be able to allow you to get that full full yield potential refuge plant spraying at Fusarium timing you're looking to reduce the amount of Fusarium infected kernels you're looking to potentially reduce the risk of dawn which could reduce your your marketability so there is there's a reason to go for both and there's a reason to potentially split it a lot of the research that we've seen says that you gain just as much yield advantage from spraying at head timing as compared to flag leaf timing so if you're going into flag leaf timing and you're not seeing a lot of disease then yes absolutely delay until head timing but if you're going into flag leaf timing and you've done your scouting at herbicide timing and you've seen some disease and you know that you're getting some risk and you're starting to see it go up the crop then you almost have no choice but to say I need to protect these this flag leaf because even if you do protect your head later you have no photosynthetic area to fill that grain so it's really a bit establishing the question of do I need to spray a flag leaf timing no ok then delay to my head timing we have seen a bit of a yield bump when you spray both above and beyond just a head or just a flag but the yield advantage did not correlate to a economic advantage from the cost of spraying both ok good stuff thanks for the question Ken hey we're almost at a time like we're we said we're going a half hour were actually 40 minutes into this good hey I got a question here from Chad he it's back to the iron thing he says iron toxicity can cause phosphorus and manganese deficiency so P with the seed and higher rates of P possibly a full year could be something to look for look at for iron deficiency and wheat he's yeah I think the question is that that's a statement and the question is if you were concerned about iron levels could you do a tissue test to to confirm that I would Iron levels have to dig a little bit further in it to confirm what he has to say I'm not gonna say yes that's that's the case like I believe you but if it if it is reducing the amount of pee uptake then potentially you would see reduction one thing you could do is if we know that it is reducing the amount of potential phosphorus uptake is to do trials of more that would you know put more phosphorus down and see if that increased availability of phosphorus promotes a higher yield so there's ways of testing it but again I am I don't want to speak too far on too into it because it's just I'm not as familiar with you outside hey finally we were talking about spraying earlier people have to bounce back from field to field that possibly means you know switching products not in the most efficient kind of manner right we're not being able to spray all of our fields with one product mule product a and then switch to B and do all those fields we're having to possibly go back and forth based on staging so what does that mean like in terms of being careful on the clean-out so that we don't create problems for ourselves like need to just be extra careful right yeah I mean I think it goes without saying when you're in those situations when you're jumping back and forth between herbicides read the label call your product specialist and make sure they're giving you directions on how to properly clean that out if you're not too sure and just follow the proper protocol I think a number of producers had have had issues with clean-out in previous years when new products changed their formula so I don't think it's anything where we're unfamiliar with but you I mean you're right Shawn we're rushing to try and get this crop in as quickly as we can we were already significantly delayed the other thing I would add to that is if you had a plan for a field five days ago and rain delayed you and you're going in to implement that plan you know almost a week later it might be a good idea to go in and and recheck that field see if you still have the same weed issues that you're looking for or if that was meant to be a pre-emerge after you seed making sure that that crop isn't coming out of the ground yet because a lot of these these primers are three days after seeding and if you get damage to that crop you're outside of that labeled window so if you're spraying something like that making sure that you're checking the label making sure that you're talking to your chem rep and letting them know what's going on so they can give you guidance or they can come in and check themselves too because if they're giving you direction and there's risk to your crop it's good to have that support there but yes I would say you know make sure you're taking the time on some of this stuff because you know we're already delayed enough if you go through and you have some some residual active ingredient from a different chemical that's going to potentially delay your crop a little bit longer and then your you've shot yourself in the foot even more so it's it's easy to get caught up in the rush because this stuff needs to get in the ground and it needs to get done and that's why I'm always a fan of checklists always checklists make sure there's everything like a pilot it's it's it's great to have that list of okay did I do this did I do this did I do this and then you can be sure as you move forward that you're not putting yourself at further risk well hey let's go back to the beginning of the conversation if I had had a checklist at the beginning of the broadcast I would have had on there to make sure the Skype feed was not muted right well if you wanna can build your checklist I tell you what hey Jeremy this has been a lot of fun tomorrow on real like live our guest is gonna be Neil MacGregor he's the market development agronomist in Eastern Ontario for pride seeds will be talking corn and being agronomy tomorrow Thursday it'll be Ted Seaford from Zener AG hedge we're talking markets a Jeremy thanks a lot I really appreciate it and double talk to get in soon thanks John's blast thanks a lot for tuning in everybody thank you very much for getting real and getting connected with real AG live