Karen Read Trial, snow plow driver “Lucky” Loughran cross examination

snow [Music] sow all right ladies and gentlemen this is Brian lungren he is a snowplow driver for the city that just got done discussing his route that he takes every year I'm sure for years and his familiar arity of the area where Brian Albert lives now when you do this type of work and if you know the Alberts you know everything about them as far as the vehicles they drive what's in their property what's on their yard so he knows his job quite well he's Brian is a guy that knows his policy and procedures now that night there was a 230 punch in which means he has to be at the lot punching at 230 and on his route so you're going to see ly try to cross-examine this guy but Brian is Rock Solid and many of you already probably have saw this but I took a look at it and I thought this guy is what every witness should be like he doesn't hesitate he might stutter a little bit trying to figure out what the question is but he does not waver one bit this guy's a rockstar now familiarity with 34 Fairview Road uh does that extend to sort of the lighting around that area no so do you know that there is actually no Street lighting whatsoever in the area of the fire Hydra and the flag pole or anywhere there for several hundred feet correct you do know I I yeah for the I believe so yes and so when you're driving by you're looking for cars coming out of the driveway cars coming in the opposite direction uh people walking is that correct correct and you're trying to look for those objects so that you make sure that you don't strike them or hit them or anything like that correct correct it's like the judge is kind of bored right [Music] there can't say sustained and on February 15 2022 when you had this meeting with Paul you told him about 3:30 or 4:00 a.m. uh is when you uh saw this uh Fort Edge uh on Cedar correct correct now in fact when you first spoke to this indiv individual named Paul you didn't tell him it was a Ford Edge correct no told him it was a Ford Edge you didn't tell him first that it was a small SUV no told him it was foot Edge you remember at any time Paul taking you on the parking lot and showing you different vehicles and asking you if those vehicles matched what what vehicle you saw no he he wanted to make sure that what I was telling him was accurate so he showed me what was a Ford Edge but I had already told him it was a Ford Edge so we brought you out to the parking L parking lot at the skating rink that you were meeting at specifically showed you a Ford Edge and asked you if that was a vew correct now do you know sort of the difference between if you were to see a fort Edge at night time in a snowstorm the difference between a fort edge and a Jeep Cherokee yes what's the difference the tail lights in the back what about it Ford Edge is a more round the the the whole back facade is a little bit more round a Jeep Cherokee or more Square so Brian spends a lot of time on the road just like myself and be we would drive and we would recognize cars just by the back end of the cars or the front end of the cars or the side of the car so when Brian is describing this vehicle the Ford Edge the whole facade of it is a little bit like he said more round and the Jeep is more squared so he knows exactly what he's talking about no doubt that he saw a Ford Edge so remember who drives a Ford Edge in the Albert's family keep that in mind rock on Brian now what color was this SUV that you s I can't tell you that I I am color blind no can you tell and I don't I'm just curious or as far as your color blindness can you tell whether or not an object is dark or light just by looking at it you all I can see things that are light I can see things that are dark I can see true colors I can't see shades of true colors and so from what you saw was this light or dark light yeah Le is getting smoked right now he doesn't know what to listen how many times he clears his throat now you told uh this Paul individual on February 15th that the SUV that you saw was exactly where uh Mr O'Keefe's body was found correct correct how do you know where his body was found I told him specifically if he was looking at the door the front door it was about 3T to the left of the door to the left of the door looking at the front of the door to the left of the door pushing it up Fair View so if he wrote in his report that you told them that the the vehicle was exactly where the body was found that would not be true objection no I'll allow that could you repeat that question please did it right wrote in his report that you told him that the SUV was exactly where the body was found that would not be true with it would it not that would be true the car the car was to the left of the door putting it in front of the flag pole my question for you sir is how do you know where Mr O'Keefe's body was found at any point in time did you see Mr O'Keefe's body on front lawn no so how do you know where Mr O's body was through police reports police interviews stuff that was post posted on on um the meteor so you've seen police reports in the medor well not the police reports I'm sorry but what was said during uh on the news so what you've heard on the news not necessarily what you saw what you know yourself correct could you repeat that question please you're recounting sort of what you've heard or saw in the news so this doesn't come from your personal knowledge or anything about where Mr o'keef was correct correct [Music] okay so he knows the opert he knows what vehicles they drive he knows everything about their front yard cuz he drives up and down that road multiple times during the winter I'm guessing because I'm sure they get a lot of snow so when he's trying to question him as far as distances and stuff like that he knows everything about it good job Brian now you also uh spoke with some other uh individuals in May of 2023 correct correct now did you tell those individuals that you actually came in and and when you say came in you come into a ort of the the main sort of hubard or the shed in on Boulevard Street correct correct we punch in that's where you punch in and you pick up your truck and you sort of do your your checkpoint around the truck and then you go out and plow correct now you were plowing on this streets uh is was there any other sort of subcontractor or anything else that was working plowing the roads as well yes and who was that it was um it was um by The Yards Landscaping and so they assist as far as the plow route is concerned and and they go around and they plow things on the same route that you were describing correct correct now these other people that you talked to in May of 2023 did you tell them uh at that time that you actually came in around 11:30 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. I don't remember that you don't remember that or you didn't tell me I don't remember that so that would be a significant difference uh 11:30 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. from 2:15 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. correct correct now you also indicated to them at that time that you went past Fairview at approximately 12:00 a.m. and 2: a.m. correct I never did 12 but it was definitely 2:30 240 2 would be inaccurate as well correct sustained and only one person can talk at time I I'm sorry sir please continue and finish your answer I didn't hear the question okay well let me ask it again so as far as um if that was contained within a report regarding that conversation in May of 2023 that you went past Fairview Road or went down Fairview Road at 12:00 a.m. and 2 a.m. that would not be accurate correct objection sustained ask it differently did you go down Fairview Road at 12:00 a.m. and 2 a. no if that were contained in a report of your conversation you had in May of 2023 would that be accurate OB ask it differently Mr now as far as that conversation that you had in May of 2023 did you tell those individuals that you saw the vehicle around 1:30 or 2: in the morning again I don't remember ever saying that but he didn't is that accurate as far as whether or not you told him that again I don't remember saying that did you see a vehicle around 132 o00 in the morning I wasn't on the road at 1:30 at 2:00 in the morning correct now do you also recall telling uh those individuals uh that uh Fairview Road was blocked off by cruisers at about 3: or 3:30 in the morning again that would have been incorrect do you recall saying that in May of 2023 I do not I approach yes so he's handed a report he that he allegedly made those comments or those statements and he still does not recollect it and he still sticks to his [Music] guns Mr L after having reviewed that as your memory refreshed as that as to that conversation you had in May of 2023 no it does not so you still after reading that don't recall telling anybody in May of 2023 that uh you came in around 11:30 p.m. 12 12 a.m. on the 28 29 I never came in at 11:30 12:30 at night it was 2:30 [Music] calling came in and interviewed him one of them was Proctor let that simar in your mind Proctor call indicating on 21 of May of 2023 that went past Fairview at 12:00 a.m. and 2 a.m. correct never did and you don't recall telling anyone that you saw the car around 1:30 or 2: a.m. is that correct correct you call telling anybody that uh the part of Fairview containing 34 Fairview was blocked off at 300 or 3:30 a.m. correct correct now if the part of Fairview um that you were talking about so you didn't say that in May of 2023 because at 3 or 3:30 the roadway wasn't blocked off correct correct it was blocked off sometime around 6:00 a.m. correct correct and so if you had said that the roadway was blocked off at 3:00 or 3:30 in the morning and it was actually six then when you saw the vehicle would have been off a little bit as well correct objection [Music] sustain L is trying to get him crisscross and he's Rock saw it he's sticking to his guns he knows what he saw in the car at 1:32 in the morning um with the road being blocked off at blocked off excuse me at 3 or 3 :30 in the morning if the road's blocked off at 6:00 a.m. then that actually would have been you saw a car sometime around 5:00 a.m. correct objection just sure you didn't see a black Lexus SUV in front of the house of 34 Fairview Road around 5:00 a.m. no now you also uh were asked some questions and you spoke to some Troopers in August of 2023 correct correct and County can they have a parking ban in Ken as that correct correct that goes from November until April [Music] correct now part of your plow route is a is a road called Tippy car correct correct and at some point when you were plowing on Tippy card that night you actually hit a basketball is that right yes and did you call that in [Music] yes and as a result of that what did what what happened with the basketball move after that nothing it the the point was to make sure I was covered so he calls it in to supervisor to make sure that he's okay and he's covered I'm telling you this guy does everything by the book so he's not lying about his testimony when they question him about the report that he allegedly made those statements to he still read it he goes yeah I don't remember saying that basically it's why I notify my supervisor that I I hit the basketball hoop about what time was that that you had the basketball I don't recall is it closer to when he started closer to when he ended I I don't recall I I don't recall what time so you don't recall anything specific about that time correct no just that I know I hit the basketball net and obviously I'm not trying to to put words in your mouth or anything sir but you didn't intentionally hit the basketball gr correct correct so you hit it because you didn't see correct no I I was attempting to avoid the net by going around it and the Machine had a different size body than what it originally had and I I underestimated when I was going around that I need to be wider so you misjudge the distance is that fair to say yes you have sank my better ship [Music] excellent so he did everything he needed to do he answered the questions he didn't waver the report that he saw he didn't recognize it or maybe he did recognize it but he didn't recognize those statements that he made ran is an honest hardworking American I love this guy so let me know what you think this was just as SP of the moment that I did um I told Brian about it he's going to look into it as well but I wanted to get this out and get you guys' opinion about what you guys thought about him being called on to the stand lately tried to crisscross him unsuccessful so like that last scene Ryan sunk his battleship thanks for watching guys appreciate it 1 Sam 5 and 1 Sam 6 copy of 425 call copy one Sam 5 in Route One Sam six copy in route [Music]