Former Clinton pollster: ABC moderators were 'gunning for Trump'

in it. >> Brian's talking about it is you're with and kill me. >> She got up there and she put him in his place. She Bay to them and then she spanked him. >> Only kamala Harris knows what her strategy was on this, but I will tell you. He took the bait because he's completely self-centred she didn't just prevail in every exchange. >> She prevailed at the human thing. Yes, what I saw was someone totally out matched only in every have scarcely seen. >> One like and the degree to which she dominated this. So they go and that is 3 that is the response from. The media after the first and only debate with kamala Harris and Donald Trump that we know of what does Mark Penn think he's a CEO and chairman of stag well a virus polls. You know he's a former. Clinton posters been around this for a long time very familiar to our audience. Mark who did better last night. >> Look I I think there's a clear consensus out there look Trump supporters wanted Trump to knock her out of the ring and he didn't knock her out of the ring. She came out swinging the entire time. And he was more defensive than not I I think that so the way people saw this debate. So I think on debating points. She comes out the winner. I don't think there was much substantive discussion of the economy. The issues immigration I think she's sick sick sick, sully bobbed and weaved. >> On a on a lot of that. >> And so I don't know how much difference it will really make him yet. >> But for Harris, I think the stakes right she had fallen a Biden style I would have been probably over would you say that's correct. >> And I think that's where we're Trump supporters are frustrated, they they feel that she was vulnerable on so many issues and of course look everybody also knows that the moderators yeah we're gunning for Trump incorrect team him an and stack the questions and did all that but we believe that 2 mark, I know you think oh I think so but do you think so. >> I mean that was that was obvious serving. She throughout every single whopper against Trump that has already been fact checked and they never interrupted her once on that they got into this cat and dog. Yeah, we're the moderators were quick to say well we called the town were sought made. I never heard that whatever the town first debate moderator said so what you're referring to this is I'm so glad you brought that up. >> So they were referring to is it true that the Haitian migrants were eating pets. So this to David Moore says his staff or he called the town manager and they said it's not happening. So Trump says Evans why called the town manager is liason on television. He says I called the town manager really okay so you fact check ahead of time in anticipation of challenging president Trump. On this story about illegal immigrants but the bigger story mark is they've taken over the town they've taken over the school system. They've been a financial burden to the town causing a big time strife. No it's a Republican or Democrat and the same thing that we're in a matter or Colorado, same thing we're hearing about an Suffolk County Long Island. Same thing we heard what is binion briefly. These towns are being taken over by what was once a border issue, but it got buried in the dog and cat eating portion of this story. >> Yes that's right in you know if you listen to vans. He he was very articulate on kind of saying, yeah, they fact checked about the about the past but then they really were bearing the overall issue that immigration has run a mock and that's really what voters really really feel about the issue and they see the enormous expenses eyes and Vance is going to have a very very good debate. Back story. I think he's here. he has the kind of verbal with joy Das you know that that's what I think is is going to be very very effective. But but we'll find but we'll see but look in this debate right, I said where people really wanted was Trump took to throw her. >> Off the game. She threw everything at him she was well prepared. And she lives to fight another day and so does Trump. >> I want you to hear JD Vance on moderators and what he saw from his vantage pride I do agree. You know, I don't love JD Vance's foreign policy kind of scares me a little isolationists but I think he's very good on his feet has been a strong supporter of this take it a big asset cut 22. I think president Trump did a good job of reminding the American people that this is a person. >> They want to ban fracking here we are in Pennsylvania, she supported banning fracking she supported defunding. The police. >> She supported opening the border and I think that though the moderators to do their job I think president Trump to do its job and reminding the American people that she has taken a number of radical positions that as he jokes she's run away from now, she's acting like Donald Trump she's about to put on a mega hat. >> Said they put in perspective. You know if the moderates who are against you, but then you realize that you've got to adjust correct. >> If they were they they were were some of them at actually I've ever seen in any presidential debate right. I mean this all started when I got Romney was inter, I mean the whole kind of moderate or downhill notion. You know South. When when Romney was kind of interrupted by one of the moderator for a number of debates ago, but this was this was agreed to by ABC. But still you know. Some have a lot of ammunition that ACLU questionnaire gains again Harris was really devastated which was on it which said. Said basically fewer for Paxton there are funded trend. >> Sender surgeries for people in detention who had just crossed the border illegally every it was a if you read that questionnaire like every American read that questionnaire how carefully and details are still out I think she have a lot of road the Riyadh that if it is it is devastating and that's the kind of stuff people wanted Trump to hold her to account for Sir. But he's a fun guy around say did you did a great job. He didn't do a great job. It was his best side and it was her best in the same. But that doesn't change the underlying issues that most voters are unhappy with the economy and they still want to know where she stands on the issues and they really didn't get that from these moderators first ride and kept their foot on funds. Trump from. >> He was a perfect linkage for today because its 9.11, it's 23 years since the 9.11 attacks what happened when into Afghanistan to get bin laden eventually got him and over to and top of the Taliban now they're back and things are worse and now they're starting to come to our Southern border, though to been a natural attack attack plan, especially when she said she was the last person in the room with Joe Biden made that decision and I'm thinking to myself did you find out that Joe Biden say the generals told them not to because we've got generals whose took an oath and said we told him not to do this. Did you push back like Joe vice president Biden did against obama when he decided to take out bin laden. But it just it just left it out there. >> you're never forget their 38 million people who we're under essentially tyranny because of what happened here, you know if it is. The foreign policy moves. You know, particularly Afghanistan and if you go through the polling for president Biden was actually doing pretty well and then that Afghanistan decision really sunk his presidency after that people no longer trust in him, but foreign policy are virtually on every issue they were they were so shocked. You know with with act a decision that was that that was made and and seeing it she continued in that debate to say that it was a big decision and really really did not give an inch on that. >> I want you to hear kamala Harris get away with a moderator, not checking. Fact checking her cut 17. >> The details and dangerous plan called project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing couples who prey and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments. If Donald Trump were to be reelected. He will sign a national abortion ban and what did the president then at the time say there were fine people on each side on that day a 140 law enforcement officers were injured. And some died Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath. If this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking. >> Number one the bloodbath was to economic he thought that's going to happen to the market if he doesn't win. So everyone made that clear it's on CNBC it's a phrase used and CNBC and FOX business every day on Charlottesville he was saying they were good people that one of those statues to stay up not good people in hoods that killed that woman that caused the riot and when you listen to the rest of his remarks and chosen and he never said that he wants abortion ban. He was cited abortion ban. >> Well I'm an idea he specifically came with he was going up and fact you know have it covered by insurance that was a lesson and on the but bath that actually was that fast. Michigan was it was going to but bath of Michigan was going to lose. Jobs in the auto industry. Every that was a complete full list of every false whopper that has been told about Trump that has been debunked that was never corrected by the moderators and that was a strategic decision. The post Biden made and Harris made that they could get away telling 50 million people all of these stories and no one would ever correct some on the spot Mark Penn with us. >> So mark is an offer out there that came from the Harris camp. Let's debate in October. What would you say a few of the Trump team. >> It be a tough decision I think it could go. If you're sitting there and the Trump team. You can have a look. We don't want to end this thing with a with a with a last debate. We kind of we know her game now. Trump you to go out there and win and win the second time and otherwise you know so get away so do though interviews and then the other hand people take a look you know, she's a strong debater you're not going to but you know you to go out there and insistence on that there are fair moderators and leave it at that. Or or heart just go on and run the camp and I think that'll be a tough decision. I'm not sure exactly which way I'd come down come down on that one at a minimum you wouldn't go into an unfavorable environment. You know for if you get accepted. >> yeah, I would say FOX or nothing number one not just because I work here I would just I don't want their bright would be fair and also pick up the top issues. The top issues is not obamacare it's not January 6. It's not in any poll you do this for a living Mark. You know it's immigration is up there always in the economy inflation. And abortion. But you would be talking about obamacare January 6th in you know what you said the other day about 2020 election. I'm thinking to myself really if you will you only have 90 minutes, this is not one of the finalists. >> Well there was a 2 minute No discussion of taxation and taxes. Yes budget sizes of fiscal responsibility. >> You know they instead they have said kicked out. You know they've picked out her weakness on on tariffs and isolation without the rest of the economic policy and and what is manufacturing policy would be so yeah that was 2 minutes and what they did climate change they didn't portion. Those are the issues that she will that affect she leaves on. I think they do you know they did raise immigration and fairness on that issue. But again. Trump's been are going to sit there and say look I want to take around again I want to I want to leave this summer it will be interesting to see which way he comes out, I think I think though it's a disservice to to have moderators like this in in terms of giving everyone a fair chance one everyone was surprised that CNN last time. They observe the rules incredibly well and they left the 2 candidates. You know go after each other and correct each other you know, which is the proper format for today We al